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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody, Happy Friday, Emily and Ryan, I see you guys.

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Speaker 3: Great to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: How you doing doing good? Thanks Emily for jumping in

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Speaker 2: for me yesterday. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no problem, No problem.

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Speaker 2: And I guess we've had counterpoints this week, but we've

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Speaker 2: decided it's not really counterpoints anymore.

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Speaker 3: So I just like that we work it out in

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Speaker 3: front of everyone. The reality TV we thanks to have

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Speaker 3: our meetings right here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's transparent, so there's a lot going on. I

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Speaker 2: want to get to you this Morre. We'll see how much

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Speaker 2: of this we get through. Right, We've got a massive

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Speaker 2: ground evasion happening in Gaza and things not looking very

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Speaker 2: And also some discouraging movement or lack of movement in

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine. Talks that are supposed to happen in Istanbul

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Speaker 2: terms of potential compromises and roadblocks there. We've got some

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Speaker 2: economic news. We've got some significant developments on the migration front.

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Speaker 2: There was a hearing Supreme Court with regard to Trump's

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Speaker 2: that but also for the ability of district judges to

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Speaker 2: issue nationwide injunctions. So that is definitely worth taking into

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Speaker 2: and wanted to tackle. I wanted to dig a little

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Speaker 2: bit into the abundant debate Sam Ceter and Ezra Cline,

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Speaker 2: a lot of clips flying around. I know, I watched

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Speaker 2: the whole thing and I thought it was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 4: I watched too.

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Speaker 2: Do you watch the whole thing too? I did awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I pulled a couple of time codes and we

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Speaker 2: can just take a look at that as well. That

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Speaker 2: who has who has made these Friday shows possible. Anything

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Speaker 2: else you guys got on your mind before we jump in.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna say Sager did post yesterday, so

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Speaker 3: we can. Okay, he did, Yes, he posted, So Sager

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Speaker 3: is official.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, did he post a picture?

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Speaker 3: He? Yes, he did, he posted. I believe they call

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Speaker 3: it a carousel.

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Speaker 4: Let me, let's pull this sucker up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking for it. Hold on, I did not know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I avoid Sager's Twitter.

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Speaker 3: It's on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: It Oh, it's on Instagram. Okay, yeah, all right, hold on, hold.

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Speaker 4: On, Yeah, you know, I always I'm much more willing

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Speaker 4: to air stuff on like Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Instagram is much kinder than Twitter. People are just assholes,

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't need people on Twitter have seen my kids

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Okay, here we go, here we go.

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Speaker 2: All right, now it's making me log in.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, really I would probably have to log

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Speaker 4: into Instagram too, I'm like never.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, anyway, go look at Soccers. It's Jillian

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Speaker 2: and the baby doesn't say the baby's name, Am I

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Speaker 2: allowed to reveal that? I don't know? Beautiful? Beautiful, beautiful,

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Speaker 4: It was a very pretty name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. Mixed between that his heritage and

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Speaker 3: And yeah, they were in the nick you for a

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Speaker 3: He mentioned that in the Instagram post and I just

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Speaker 4: So and I'm looking forward to his monologue after he

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Speaker 4: gets to nick you Bill like that those can put

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Speaker 2: True, he's gonna be Luigi posting before we know it.

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Speaker 3: He's been Luigi posting for years.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and get to the news

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Speaker 2: the screen. It's actually your reporting. Well, Jeremy's reporting technically

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Speaker 2: this always comes down to, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: like the US could make this stop whenever we want to.

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Speaker 2: Biden could have, Trump could And there's this always learned

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Speaker 2: helplessness of like, oh, well, they're a sovereign nation and

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Speaker 2: us backstopping what they want.

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Speaker 4: Right What a superpower means if it doesn't mean you

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Speaker 4: can have influence over your client states. A Haaretz reporter

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Speaker 4: mirror version of Jeremies, where she writes Israel's position is

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Speaker 4: this is a quote from an Israeli source. Israel's position

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Speaker 4: is rigid. Hamas hasn't folded, the Americans have lost interest.

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Speaker 4: Trump is on his way home, and Witkoff is not

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Speaker 4: currently dealing with this matter. He left it to us.

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Speaker 4: The source added that Whitcough quote doesn't have a plan

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Speaker 4: nothing left to do. And so this marries neatly with

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Speaker 4: Hamas's analysis, which is that they don't have confidence that

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Speaker 4: be willing to know pressure Israel enough to get them

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Speaker 4: we've since learned about the release of Eton Alexander is

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Speaker 4: that the private assurance that Hamas got in order to

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Speaker 4: in return on paper, was that the Americans would agree

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Speaker 4: How the Americans interpret what it means to put pressure

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Speaker 2: Sort of like the facilitating the release yeah yeah, Rightia.

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Speaker 4: And one of the fears among both Palestinians and the

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Speaker 4: families of the of the hostages who captives who remain

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Speaker 4: in Gaza is that Witcough and Bowler, having succeeded in

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Speaker 4: freeing the last living American hostage captive, would move on,

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Speaker 4: would kind of lose interest in it, and then would

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Speaker 4: and just let and let things just go to hell,

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Speaker 4: go further to hell. And you know, that appears to

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Speaker 4: be a possibility. There are material constraints though that exist.

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Speaker 4: You know, Israel doesn't like to recognize such things because

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Speaker 4: they never they've never been had, They've never had to

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Speaker 4: because the warehouses just keep getting magically stocked by new

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Speaker 4: flights of weapons from the United States. But their reservists

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Speaker 4: to show up. They're exhausted. All of this is discussed

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Speaker 4: openly in the Israeli media. So what actual capacity they

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Speaker 4: have to continue to pursue this massive invasion that they're

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Speaker 4: trying to launch from the north down. No remains to

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Speaker 4: significant casualties, do they continue to push forward. It seems

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Speaker 4: like that's the only thing that's going to be holding

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Speaker 4: them back at this point. That wit coough because Hamas

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Speaker 4: is saying, we want an end to the war. We

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Speaker 4: will exchange all the hostages, all the captives. Done, end

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Speaker 4: of the war. Israel withdraws more over, and a technocratic

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Speaker 4: Palestinian administration with whatever Western relationships you want, you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of takes control of Gaza, like that's what Hamas wants.

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Speaker 4: Israel wants to keep the war going. Those are irreconcilable positions. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and so only only the US can reconcile them by

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Speaker 2: There was a piece in Heratz let me get your

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Speaker 2: reaction to all of this. Emily Ryan was mentioning the

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Speaker 2: hostage family concerns, and Haratz was also writing about that.

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Speaker 2: They said, they're concerned over there's a massive ground invasion

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Speaker 2: right now. I'll show you some of the images in

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Speaker 2: just a minute, but hostage families are deeply concerned. They

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Speaker 2: say the next hours are going to determine Hostage's fate.

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Speaker 2: And I was struck by this quote here the families

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Speaker 2: breakthrough in the negotiations in Doha, sang, these are dramatic

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Speaker 2: hours that will decide the fate of our loved ones

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Speaker 3: They're absolutely right about that. I mean, they should be

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Speaker 3: the end at this point? What is the end goal?

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Speaker 3: What is the you know what, what is the clear

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Speaker 2: To the Israeli right.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's an incredibly bleak situation for the hostage

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Speaker 4: Terrified and just real quickly the reason I keep switching

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Speaker 4: back and forth between hostages and captives because we're always

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Speaker 4: told but we're now down to the down to a

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Speaker 4: place where everybody who's being held was in combat like

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Speaker 4: these these are soldiers, so that makes them captives. And

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Speaker 4: you know, the international laws of war say you're not

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Speaker 4: supposed to trade prisoners of war for military concessions, but

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Speaker 4: you can trade them for other prisoners of war, and

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Speaker 4: it's normal that you release them when the hostilities are over.

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Speaker 4: This argument that Israel is making that they should release

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Speaker 4: would be outside of this the like pattern of how

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Speaker 4: that goes like, that's no, no, no countries would do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that language is important because the Israelis always

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Speaker 2: refer to everyone they're holding as prisoners and everyone regardless

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Speaker 2: of whether they're IDF or not, held by hamas as hostages.

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Speaker 2: And that language is very intentional and.

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Speaker 3: Well everyone is hamas or combatant correct.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and you know, is often echoed by by

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Speaker 2: the press, so that that note is very important. And

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Speaker 2: just to get to the the invasion you know that

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Speaker 2: we're seeing right now, We've got numerous accounts from the ground.

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Speaker 2: These are you know, we're all compiled, We're being eliminated.

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Speaker 2: People saying it's hell tonight, our families are in danger,

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Speaker 2: intense escalation, We're being eliminated. Now, we'll never forgive you.

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Speaker 2: The bombing never stops. They've gone crazy. You know, some

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Speaker 4: And even that hasn't been agreed to. And we could

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine any other nation sending food to their adversaries? Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 2: Let's all agree on that has something we can all

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Speaker 3: Really, that's right. It's extra ridiculous about this controversy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. And so the New York Times

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Speaker 4: She's not getting paid to do this. NBC News managed

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Speaker 4: Maybe I can pull this up. Miss Rachel doubles down

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Speaker 3: You'll read her quote there. It's sad that people try

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Speaker 2: Like that's the only appropriate framing. So yeah, okay, you

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Speaker 2: Yes, defending Gaza stats on an anti Israel platform. I

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: And when people think that they're being reasonable, they will say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, also particularly Israelly kids.

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Speaker 4: But b there have been more than seventeen thousand children

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is singularly horrific, and it's being done with

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Speaker 3: He's very attractive, very strong, very tough past.

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Speaker 2: Yes, very strong, very strong past, tough guy, tough guy, yeah, attractive,

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Speaker 2: I'm so, uh, what do you what do you make

437
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Speaker 2: of that?

438
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Speaker 3: Sounds like someone who fought uh in the decades after

439
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Speaker 3: the United States armed the mujah Hadeen and after and

440
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Speaker 3: you guys were like in media during the Crystal period

441
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Speaker 3: of the Afghanistan War. But holy smokes, is that some

442
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Speaker 3: cope man?

443
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Speaker 4: I mean, also, it's true like that, let's get the

444
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Speaker 4: no lies detected gift out for that one, Like it's accurate.

445
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Speaker 2: Like and uh mentioned a baggon was interesting to me too,

446
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: because that never gets admitted. I don't think I've ever

447
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: heard that mentioned on Western TV.

448
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Speaker 3: They had to drag My Crystal out to talk to

449
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Speaker 3: Katelyn Collins to get that out in the open. Yeah.

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and for for people like don't know that you

451
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Speaker 4: can look look that up. This this was, you know,

452
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Speaker 4: one of the founders of the state of Israel and

453
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Speaker 4: it was it was founded you know, by you know,

454
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Speaker 4: terrorist organizations who drove the British out with bombings of civilian.

455
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Speaker 2: Some of them self described as terrorists.

456
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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely they were. They were not you're goon and

457
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Speaker 4: the others they were not. They were not afraid of

458
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Speaker 4: the label terrorist like they embraced it. And yeah, Nelson

459
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Speaker 4: Mandela and you know, he was involved in violent resistance

460
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Speaker 4: to apartheid, but before he was jailed. Like, that's very true.

461
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Speaker 4: And what's amazing that Joelanni or al Shara, whatever you

462
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Speaker 4: want to call him now, has actually made this exact

463
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Speaker 4: same point because when he was asked, hey, weren't you

464
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Speaker 4: like in al Qaeda and the two thousands and and

465
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Speaker 4: killing a bunch of Americans And he was like, look,

466
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Speaker 4: I was young and hot headed and I thought the

467
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Speaker 4: American invasion was an atrocity. And you're like, okay, this

468
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Speaker 4: is true.

469
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Speaker 3: This is true.

470
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Speaker 4: It was like it was, it was really bad. And

471
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Speaker 4: he's like, but you know some of our tactics, you know,

472
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Speaker 4: I regret, but you know, I'm no longer young and

473
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Speaker 4: hot headed, and it's.

474
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Speaker 2: In the past. Ryan, This is true.

475
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Speaker 4: People are different in their twenties and their forties. It's

476
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Speaker 4: usually not an Al Qaeda or an Ice terrorist that

477
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 4: we're hearing it from who's now shaking hands with Macron

478
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Speaker 4: and Trump.

479
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Speaker 2: And it's wild to hear the crystal talk about terrorists like,

480
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're young, they're idealistic, they're really passionate

481
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Speaker 2: about a particular cause and that.

482
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Speaker 4: But if we're serious about, you know, we want to

483
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Speaker 4: win hearts and minds and de radicalize, then what do

484
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: you think it means?

485
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Speaker 2: The other thing is it just exposes how fake and

486
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Speaker 2: political the word the label terrorists is. And I don't

487
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 2: think that's ever been probably more on display domestically than

488
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: it is right now, when you know, miss Rachel is

489
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: being labeled basically like a domestic terrorist and.

490
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Speaker 4: The actual Al Qaeda guy is we're taking hands.

491
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Speaker 2: With Trump and they still have what a ten million

492
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Speaker 2: dollar bounty on his head. Technically they took that off,

493
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Speaker 2: they did take it out, Okay, well there you go.

494
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Speaker 2: Recently had a ten million dollar bounty on his head.

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Speaker 3: I mean Syria in general, it has just been the

496
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Speaker 3: best example of that period, Like over the course of

497
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Speaker 3: a decade, it's just been funding all sides. But then

498
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Speaker 3: it's all terror. It's just a completely ridiculous situation.

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Speaker 5: That it was.

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Speaker 3: I think it was maz Ryan who posted He's like,

501
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: this is the perfect coda to the war on terror.

502
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Speaker 3: Watching the former al Qaeda head of al Qaeda in

503
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Speaker 3: Syria shaking the hand of the United States president.

504
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what a summit.

505
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: Incredible and of course, you know, very nice for Israel

506
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: that this guy is ready to just you know, hand

507
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Speaker 2: over the goal on heights effectively. Ben Norton had a

508
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: good summation here. Let me put this up on the

509
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Speaker 2: screen and read off his his commentary about what unfolded here.

510
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Speaker 2: The US helped overthrow Siria's independent government. Now it's unelected

511
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: president is the former leader of al Qaeda. Trump had

512
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Speaker 2: a form a friendly meeting with this al Qaeda extremist

513
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Speaker 2: and praise him is great. Trump said, he's young, attractive guy,

514
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: tough guy, strong past, very strong past fighter. Trump vows

515
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Speaker 2: remove the suffocating US sanctions. That's good to collapse the

516
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: previous Syrian state. The rebranded al Qaeda leader promise Aeria

517
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Speaker 2: will normalize relations with the colonial Israeli regime is committing

518
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Speaker 2: genocide against Palestine and people. He also pledged to give

519
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Speaker 2: US corporations control over serious natural resources. I think Ryan

520
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: you said on a previous show. You know, the people

521
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Speaker 2: who said this was all a CIA plot, I don't

522
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Speaker 2: know that it was, but you know it would add up,

523
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: it would add up.

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Speaker 4: Little, yes, indeed, but a little ridiculous there though, to

525
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Speaker 4: say that al Shara is unelected, but then to call

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Speaker 4: Asad quote independent, Yeah, ok, yes election? Sure what election

527
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Speaker 4: did did Asad's dictator's son.

528
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Speaker 3: Win?

529
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Speaker 4: And how independent exactly was he? But yes, like the

530
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Speaker 4: people who said that this was just a giant you know,

531
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Speaker 4: deep state plot are are looking pretty good right now.

532
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's also the new Trump dichotomy. It's not new,

533
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Speaker 3: but he crystallized it in his rid speech this week

534
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: where he was talking about commerce versus chaos, as though

535
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Speaker 3: this is a dichotomy and commerce itself will head off chaos,

536
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Speaker 3: which again so a lot like Tom Friedman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the McDonald's like, we'll spread our you know, this

538
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: is how we'll spread democracy around the world. Now it's like,

539
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: how what will spread our ability to conquest everywhere? And

540
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: you know, for on behalf of Elon Musk and other

541
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Speaker 2: oligarchs everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Well, and Jelani has apparently been pitching Trump and Trump's

543
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: team openly on having Trump towered Damascus, like it was

544
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Speaker 3: within a part, intentional part of the strategy that he's

545
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Speaker 3: approached these negotiations with. And it, I mean, the sanctions

546
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: are gone. So something worked. And it wouldn't surprise me

547
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: if that was it, because it's worked in other golfs.

548
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: It's worked in golf states where there's Trump construction happening

549
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: all over the region. So this is it's not new, obviously,

550
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: but I think Trump is this week has just said

551
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Speaker 3: we are mirroring. Now the Trump family is like mirroring

552
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Speaker 3: the way business is done in some of these golf states.

553
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Speaker 2: And yeah, well it actually ties in with this story

554
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: Pro Publica published about the Trump administration leaned on African

555
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: countries the Goal Camp business for Elon muss. This is

556
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Speaker 2: an expansion of the reporting that Jeff Stein had already

557
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: done over at the Washington Post about the way the

558
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Speaker 2: State Department is pushing countries to you know allow and

559
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Speaker 2: starlink and partner with Starlink and you know, aggressively doing so.

560
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: And they really went deep on some of the I

561
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Speaker 2: mean just like mob boss tactics that are used here

562
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Speaker 2: and the tariffs fit into it. So you've got the

563
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Speaker 2: stripping of USAID, you know. And so the the basic

564
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Speaker 2: dissolution of that agency and subsuming an under the State

565
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Speaker 2: Department means that Marco Rubio and the people who are

566
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Speaker 2: under him can go directly to a country and say

567
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Speaker 2: we're going to take your funding if you don't if

568
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Speaker 2: you don't partner with starlink. The tariffs mean, like in

569
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Speaker 2: the case of Lesotho, that you can go in and say, hey,

570
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Speaker 2: we're going to smack you with these fifty percent tariffs

571
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: and you're going to be economically dead if you don't

572
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Speaker 2: take up us A starlink license. This has worked in

573
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Speaker 2: numerous cases where countries have basically folded and said okay, fine.

574
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Speaker 2: And so you know, I was thinking, Ryan, how with

575
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Speaker 2: the destruction of USA, I d you know there the

576
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: principle was, Okay, we're going to give you some healthcare

577
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: and we're going to be able to get things that

578
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Speaker 2: are in US interests, whether it's securing raw earth minerals

579
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Speaker 2: or whatever it is, putting pressure on their government, whatever

580
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Speaker 2: it is. With the idea, this would be in quote

581
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: US imperial interests. Now, the idea is we're going to

582
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: use those same levers except to the sort of like

583
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Speaker 2: sol and exchoolsive benefit of Elon and the Trump family,

584
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Speaker 2: and we're going to operate it directly from the State Department.

585
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Speaker 2: We're going to couple it with this terif regime so

586
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Speaker 2: that we can truly go and get whatever we want

587
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Speaker 2: for our personal business interests around the world.

588
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's basically what's going on here. Elon has

589
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: been very very quiet lately. I've noticed, Yeah, and I'm

590
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Speaker 4: not sure.

591
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Speaker 2: Grock not so much, but Elon, yes'.

592
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Speaker 4: Crock been quite loud. Grock not so much. I mean,

593
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Speaker 4: Starlink is a good product, but it's got yesterday.

594
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Speaker 2: There did you you got it set up yet?

595
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: Now I'm doing that today.

596
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: It's not too hard, and it's it is, I admit it's.

597
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 3: Face in the middle of the day.

598
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: It shouldn't really, it shouldn't need the hammer of the

599
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: the US foreign policy apparatus.

600
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: Apparently Bezos is launching a competitor product product and other

601
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Speaker 2: companies are as well, and so Elon feels under pressure

602
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: to basically lock in create a lock in a sort

603
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: of like global monopoly, and especially interested in Africa because

604
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Speaker 2: that's the fastest growing population in the world.

605
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Speaker 3: In order to secure Starling's future. It's not just a

606
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Speaker 3: residential product. It has massive commercial and defense uh business. Absolutely,

607
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: It's not just sort of like another Amazon device or

608
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: even Tesla. It's it's such a significant defense. I mean,

609
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: it's been completely part of the world and the conflict

610
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Speaker 3: in Ukraine, that's part of the conflict in Gaza.

611
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Speaker 2: So it allows Elon to conduct his own foreign policy effectively. Yeah,

612
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: and we saw that with Ukraine, like, regardless of how

613
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: you feel about the decisions he made there. First the

614
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: providing of Starlink to Ukraine was very critical, and then

615
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: he you know, did not allow its use I think

616
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: in Crimea like there were decisions that were made that

617
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: were meant to coerce Zelensky and the Ukrainians in terms

618
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Speaker 2: of the tactics that they were allowed to deploy. So

619
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Speaker 2: he was using Starlink as a tool to you know,

620
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Speaker 2: coerce the Ukrainians. And again, regardless of whether you agree

621
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Speaker 2: with what Elon thought about those things or not having

622
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: that much power in one unelected billionaire to be able

623
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Speaker 2: to conduct his own foreign policy and coerce nations as

624
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Speaker 2: he sees fit. Is not something that I think any

625
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Speaker 2: of us should be signing up for.

626
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Speaker 4: Yeah, from a national security perspective, you would think the

627
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Speaker 4: government would want competitors out there. If one guy controls

628
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: the communication apparatus for your military, yeah, and he controls you.

629
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Speaker 2: That's that is exactly right. I also wanted to just

630
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Speaker 2: mentioned Ukraine. Let me play for you. So these negotiations

631
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Speaker 2: are going down in Istanbul. You know, there's originally, I

632
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: think some decent hopes that there might be some progress

633
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: made here between Ukraine and Russia. But then we learned

634
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: Trump is not going and Putin is also not going.

635
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: I think the expectations have been significantly diminished. Here's Trump

636
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: getting asked about Putin not showing in Turkey. Take a listen.

637
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Speaker 2: Oh hold on, it helps if I share it. Here

638
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Speaker 2: we go.

639
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Speaker 6: Uh No, I didn't anticipate. I actually said, why would

640
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Speaker 6: he go if I'm not going? Because I wasn't to go.

641
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Speaker 6: I wasn't planning to you I would go, but I

642
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 6: wasn't planning to go. And I said, I don't think

643
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Speaker 6: he's going to go if I don't go. And then

644
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Speaker 6: that's turned out to be right. But we have people there, Marco,

645
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Speaker 6: as you know, he's doing a fantastic yet Marco's there

646
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Speaker 6: Secretary of State, and we have people there.

647
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Speaker 3: But I.

648
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Speaker 6: Didn't think it was possible for Putin to go if

649
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Speaker 6: I'm not there, Jennifer, So.

650
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Speaker 2: He's saying, he, you know, I'm not disappointed. I didn't

651
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Speaker 2: expect them to go. As I mentioned, I think Rubio

652
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Speaker 2: and others have been downplaying expectations for what can be

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Speaker 2: accomplished there. And for Zelenski, Emily, you know, he really

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Speaker 2: wanted to have some sort of a ceasefire in place

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Speaker 2: before these talks even unfolded. He was not able to

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Speaker 2: achieve that. And now I think what I read this

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Speaker 2: morning is that he was on his way there and

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Speaker 2: then when it was revealed, Okay, Putin's not going, he

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Speaker 2: also sent a delegation instead of himself going. So that's

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Speaker 2: kind of where we are there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds right, and it sounds like now Trump

662
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Speaker 3: is leaving this big trip. Actually not much closer to

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Speaker 3: an end in Gozla. We're in Russia Ukraine in that

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Speaker 3: conflict either. And he started the week and I think

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Speaker 3: Trump World had very high expectations for kind of moving

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Speaker 3: by leaps and bounds over the course of the week

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Speaker 3: and is now leaving. And it's interesting because we talked

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Speaker 3: about this a good bit when we were discussing Israel earlier.

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Speaker 3: But Witkoff, it did not seem to have the magic

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Speaker 3: touch this week for some reason or another, because it

671
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Speaker 3: actually did feel like leading up to this week, the

672
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Speaker 3: momentum in both directions was significant. They got the minerals

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Speaker 3: deal with Ukraine, they had really started putting pressure on Yahoo,

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Speaker 3: and then over the course of the week it all fizzled.

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Speaker 2: I also ran, is this rift with Netanyahu thing? How real?

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Speaker 2: How real is this? Or is this more? Biden had

677
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Speaker 2: very strong words and very strong things to net nya

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Speaker 2: who leads to the press. I just I can't really tell.

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Speaker 4: We'll find out, And you're right, I think to point to,

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Speaker 4: you know, Biden's constant leaking to the press of how

681
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Speaker 4: frustrated he was and how what mean things he said

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Speaker 4: to Yaho on the phone, and then the gap between

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Speaker 4: that and what was happening in the real world, you know,

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Speaker 4: showed his fecklessness. And I think that the exact same

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Speaker 4: formula has to apply to Trump. And so whether Trump

686
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Speaker 4: can get the ceasefire that he says he wants, and

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Speaker 4: whether he can get the Iran deal that he says

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Speaker 4: he wants and get the regional stability that he claims

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Speaker 4: is his goal. Will then determine whether or not this

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Speaker 4: split is real or not. And I think that's the

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Speaker 4: only way you can figure that out.

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Speaker 3: It was obviously a heavy lift that he would come

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Speaker 3: out of this week with leaps and bounds and significant

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Speaker 3: steps forward. But so I don't want to say, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: what a loss he didn't solve to like he didn't

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Speaker 3: bring peace to the world, you know, on the course

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Speaker 3: of his Middle East trip, But you think expectations were

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Speaker 3: higher than what happened this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I also feel it seems like he

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Speaker 2: still hasn't learned the lesson that should have been learned

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Speaker 2: from decades, but specifically from his first administration, that there

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Speaker 2: is no full moving forward and renewal in the Middle

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Speaker 2: East without Palestinians have some having some sort of a

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Speaker 2: just resolution. And you know, the Abraham Accords were premised

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Speaker 2: on the idea that we can just kind of like

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Speaker 2: pretend Palestinians don't exist and create these relationships. And you know,

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Speaker 2: according to Jeremy's and others discussions with leaders of from

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Speaker 2: US and other you know, uh, Palestinian armed resistance factions.

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Speaker 2: That sense that there was an attempt to move on

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Speaker 2: without addressing some sort of resolution for Palestinians is part

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Speaker 2: of what sparked the the planning and the execution of

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Speaker 2: October seventh. So, you know, at the end of this trip,

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Speaker 2: it seems to me very much like Trump still thinks

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Speaker 2: that you can just go around the Middle East, get

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Speaker 2: the deals that he can get for his own personal family,

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Speaker 2: get his fourner million dollar jet from Qatar and whatever.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if Israel is going to just keep

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Speaker 2: genociding Palestinians, then you know, maybe in the future he

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Speaker 2: can get a real estate deal there as well, which

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Speaker 2: seems to be his ultimate end goal.

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Speaker 3: Commerce over chaos. Yeah, exactly to those two never come

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Speaker 3: at the same time, as we know that they're never intertwined.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit about this the

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Speaker 2: latest of the GOP tax bill, Emily, I wanted to

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Speaker 2: hear your view from the right on how things are

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Speaker 2: shaking down here. First of all, we got an estimate

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Speaker 2: that the tax bills on track to add more than

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Speaker 2: two and a half trillion dollars in the US deficit

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Speaker 2: for the people who you know. This is from Jeff Stein.

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Speaker 2: Republican tax reprosal emerging in the House of Reps would

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Speaker 2: add more than two and a half trillion to the

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Speaker 2: federal budget deficit, according to nonpartisan but experts. That fiscal

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Speaker 2: hit has trigger criticism from House Conservatives, who have at

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Speaker 2: times vowed to vote against legislation that as the national

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Speaker 2: debt already over thirty six trillion, House Speaker Mike Johnson

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Speaker 2: may have trouble reducing the bill's price tag, as that

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Speaker 2: would require either making fewer tax cuts or steeper spending

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Speaker 2: cuts in ways unpalatable to his conference. What is your

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Speaker 2: son's emily of how important this number is, and this

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Speaker 2: no matter how you slice it, given the things they

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Speaker 2: want to accomplish, specifically the giant tax cuts for the rich, Like,

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Speaker 2: as long as that's in this bill, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a giant budget buster, and you aren't going to

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Speaker 2: be able to cut really enough even from the you know,

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Speaker 2: relatively significant cuts they want to make to medicaid in

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Speaker 2: order to make up the difference. So on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: conservatives like to do this math like, oh yes, but

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Speaker 2: the tax cuts will magical themselves, and this analysis surely

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Speaker 2: doesn't take into account all of the economic glory that

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Speaker 2: is going to be achieved by, you know, further cutting

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Speaker 2: the taxes of the richest people and corporations in the country.

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Speaker 2: So how how's the right kind of reacting to this news.

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Speaker 3: I would expect there to be significant fights with the

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Speaker 3: Congressional Budget Office in the days ahead. And the Congressional

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Speaker 3: Budget Office does kind of suck in some respects. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's not like it has an easy job, but there's

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Speaker 3: some funny math that gets done when you're trying to

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Speaker 3: say how much stuff this will cost. So I think

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Speaker 3: some of that will be coped. I think some of

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Speaker 3: it will be legitimate. I think that number is extremely important,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's why right now you have Chip

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Speaker 3: Roy basically are ready laying the groundwork and preparing people

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Speaker 3: for his internal resistance, and a lot of Freedom Caucus

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Speaker 3: members are going to be with him. On the Senate side.

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Speaker 3: Ron Johnson penned a Wall Street Journal op ed this week,

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Speaker 3: saying basically that the bill is the Titanic and that

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Speaker 3: it's going to be sunk because of the spending levels.

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Speaker 3: On the other hand, you have the Salt Conference whining

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Speaker 3: that their salt deduction isn't quadrupled rather than merely tripled.

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Speaker 3: If not more, they would of course go higher than that.

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Speaker 3: So the number is just going to be a red

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Speaker 3: line for people like chip Roy. Tim Burchett is raising

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Speaker 3: issues already now about increased pentagon spending. So again, like,

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Speaker 3: you can do this if you have a thirty vote margin,

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Speaker 3: and you can allow people to take their little comfortable

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Speaker 3: protest votes and sprinkle some pork in to get other

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Speaker 3: people on the side that you need them to be,

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Speaker 3: and you can do these deals. But the deals that

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Speaker 3: they're going to have to get done to overcome this problem,

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Speaker 3: and that I would say, I mean, it's obvious in

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Speaker 3: the House, but it'll also be a problem in the

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Speaker 3: Senate because you now have people who have stuck their

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Speaker 3: necks out for DOGE. You have people who have come

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Speaker 3: out when it's extremely difficult. There are bureaucrats on the

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Speaker 3: sidewalk with their cardboard boxes and the ferns, and people

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Speaker 3: have stuck their neck out and VA cuts for example,

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Speaker 3: and said no, this is important. And then you're asking

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Speaker 3: them to vote on a a budget bill or a

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Speaker 3: budget busting bill that they then have to go home

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Speaker 3: and answer for blowing up the debt and then while

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Speaker 3: doing that, taxes for the rich and cuts to medicaid.

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Speaker 3: And this is maga. It's not the Republican Party. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I would argue they didn't understand it quite well enough

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine either. But it's not the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party of nineteen ninety nine. It is completely different.

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Speaker 3: And so if you have to go home and you're

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Speaker 3: Josh Hawley, who's also saying no touching Medicaid, these are

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Speaker 3: two maga Republicans Josh haller Ron Johnson Josh Holly saying

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Speaker 3: don't touch Medicaid, Ron Johnson saying this bill is not

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Speaker 3: brave enough and it's not making cuts that will make

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Speaker 3: me support it. So this, this problem imperils everything for them.

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Speaker 3: So on the one hunt, on the one hand, that

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Speaker 3: makes it easier for them to pass because if it's like, listen,

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Speaker 3: the President is doing these tariffs no matter what, and

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Speaker 3: you know your constituents are going to be screwed. If

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Speaker 3: the tariffs don't come with tax cuts and incentives for

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Speaker 3: on shoring, then maybe you can it's easier to muscle

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Speaker 3: people on board. On the other hand, if you're spending

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Speaker 3: more on the Pentagon, and people have stuck their necks

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Speaker 3: out on Pentagon cuts over the last ten I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just completely is it is more of a mess

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Speaker 3: than people realize.

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Speaker 2: Rand Paul had had this to say to your point,

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Speaker 2: Emily about the Doge piece. He says, it indicates this

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Speaker 2: year the deficit will be over two trillion dollars, but

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Speaker 2: it means they're anticipating close to three trillion for the

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Speaker 2: next year. It's really a slap in the face at

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Speaker 2: those of us who are excited about Elon Musk and

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Speaker 2: Doge and all the cuts. Where are the cuts? If

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Speaker 2: the cuts are real, why are we going to borrow

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Speaker 2: five trillion? So what I proposed was this, he says

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Speaker 2: he wanted to. I put for a proposal. We voted

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Speaker 2: on it to raise the debt sailing for three months.

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Speaker 5: Why.

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Speaker 2: Because I think we should vote on the debt sailing

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Speaker 2: every three or four months to see if they're doing

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Speaker 2: their job, if they promise us cuts and spending, not

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Speaker 2: just the administration, I'm talking about congressional leaders as well.

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Speaker 2: If the promises are real' vote to raise it every

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Speaker 2: three months. So I put forward that amendment. Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 2: only got a handful of votes. But you know, I

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Speaker 2: mean he's saying some version of what you said. First

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Speaker 2: of all, the Doge cuts obviously are fake. They're actually

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Speaker 2: costing the government more money than their quote unquote saving in.

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Speaker 3: Some sense because people have lost their jobs and districts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly that's exactly correct, and causing all sorts

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Speaker 2: of you know, problems for states across the country. And

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Speaker 2: then you're asking people to further explode. And this is

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Speaker 2: something we've been saying from the beginning, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're not serious about Doge and about being so worried

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Speaker 2: about the debt and the deficit, because if they were,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't be also proposing this like four trillion dollar

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Speaker 2: tax cut on the road that's just several months away.

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Speaker 2: You know, Ryan, early in the Trump administration, I Trump

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Speaker 2: Trump has so much power within the Republican Party. I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: that's unquestioned. However, previously, what made them him and Elon

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Speaker 2: so able to just effectuate whatever result they wanted with

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Speaker 2: congressional Republicans was that one two punch of you of

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Speaker 2: Trump with the political power, and you had Elon with

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Speaker 2: the power of the purse, so to speak, where he

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Speaker 2: was threatening everybody who would get crosswise with him with

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Speaker 2: funding their primaries. I think both of their power is

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Speaker 2: somewhat diminished now because Trump is less popular than he

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Speaker 2: was at that time, and you know, you're getting closer

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Speaker 2: to midterms. Some of these Republicans have to face voters

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Speaker 2: here shortly. And Elon was so embarrassed in that Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court race that his political power obviously is vastly diminished.

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Speaker 2: So even though I don't want to, you know, overstate

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Speaker 2: the declined Trump's influencer or whatever, he still has a tremendous,

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Speaker 2: unbelievable group on the Republican Party. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: quite has as much power with them as he did

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Speaker 2: going in because he's also lost that you know, the

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Speaker 2: punch of Elon feeling like such a juggernaut as well.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, that was true. But I'll just say quickly, like

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Speaker 3: Chip Roy, Donald Trump has already fought with Chip Roy,

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Speaker 3: and Tip Roy has prevailed. He has been fine. And

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Speaker 3: that's like there are people right now when you have

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Speaker 3: a big margin, it doesn't matter. You have the Thomas Massey's,

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Speaker 3: you have the chip Roys who are going to make

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Speaker 3: a big deal and say I'm just not doing it.

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Speaker 3: But there are so many of those people right now.

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Speaker 3: For Trump, I think Chip Roy would rather lose an

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Speaker 3: election than vote for a bill that explodes the budget

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Speaker 3: and if he doesn't feel like it's a reasonable compromise,

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Speaker 3: and he's in that point right now, because he was

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Speaker 3: already posting this week saying there's going to be an

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Speaker 3: enormous pressure campaign pretty implicitly from the President, because the

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Speaker 3: President was meanwhile tweeting it's a great bill. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's huge. It is such a mess for the economy,

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Speaker 3: It is such a mess for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: The NBC is Ryan's reporting that Republicans are floating this

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Speaker 2: compromise of faster Medicaid cuts, so I guess, you know,

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Speaker 2: effectuating the same amount of cuts but in a quicker

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Speaker 2: timeline and a larger salt deduction to try to strike

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Speaker 2: some balance between what they describe as blue state Republicans

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Speaker 2: and conservative hardliners on this bill.

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Speaker 4: And the reason they're pushing those faster Medicaid cuts is

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Speaker 4: because they you know, what politicians in Washington always do

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Speaker 4: is anything that's difficult politically difficult, they push that out

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Speaker 4: into the back end of the ten year ten year

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Speaker 4: window and they'll say, look, over ten years, this cuts

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Speaker 4: eight hundred billion dollars out of Medicaid. And then you

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Speaker 4: look at the details and it cuts zero for the

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Speaker 4: first eight years, and then it cuts four hundred each

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Speaker 4: year of the ninth and tenth. And now that's not

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Speaker 4: the exact structure of this one. It's a little bit

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Speaker 4: closer in. But the idea then is that you tell

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Speaker 4: your base you're doing a thing and then you don't

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Speaker 4: actually do it. That's this is you know, Democrats have

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Speaker 4: their own version of this. This is how Republicans you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: do it to their base. And but fundamentally Republicans are

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Speaker 4: in a jam between their rhetoric and reality because they

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Speaker 4: have been for years, you know, been telling their base

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Speaker 4: that they can save trillions of dollars. Uh. Elon Musk said,

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Speaker 4: two trillion, right by basically cutting crazy research that funds

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Speaker 4: you know, transgender mice and finding and finding waste fraud

907
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Speaker 4: and abuse right in the government. Yes, And minority friends

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Speaker 4: who were watching DOSEE you know, go through the government

909
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Speaker 4: were very hopeful that like awesome, like we're finally we

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Speaker 4: finally got somebody who's rich enough he doesn't care, he's

911
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Speaker 4: going to go in there. He's going to find all

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Speaker 4: the absurd spending, all the waste, fraud and abuse, and

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Speaker 4: we're going to get our government under control. And it's

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Speaker 4: not going to hurt me, it's not going to hurt

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Speaker 4: the economy. It's not going to make the government actually

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Speaker 4: less effective. It'll make the government more effective. The problem

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Speaker 4: is that this was always a lie. Like the government

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Speaker 4: does have some inefficiencies, but it would take a serious,

919
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Speaker 4: like collective effort to go in and reform those processes.

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Speaker 4: You can't just go in and with a wrecking ball

921
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Speaker 4: and fire everybody on probation and find trillions of dollars

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Speaker 4: in transgender mice research like that that just doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: There are trillion dollars of woke to cut down the

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Speaker 2: federal pun exactly.

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Speaker 4: And the fraud is is weapons makers, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: health insurance companies, it's health providers. It's like these private

927
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Speaker 4: equity owned doctor facilities that are ripping off Medicare and Medicaid,

928
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Speaker 4: like those are the places that you're going to find

929
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Speaker 4: the fraud. But guess what, they have power. They make contributions,

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Speaker 4: so they're not going after those.

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Speaker 3: Football So their stuff is small wall compared to that

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Speaker 3: exactly found.

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Speaker 2: Out that like you can, you can cut the Reuters

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Speaker 2: subscription sane, like Politico pro subscription no no, no no

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Speaker 2: no no.

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Speaker 3: Punch Bowl yeah yes, the yeah, the White House can

937
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Speaker 3: cut it, can make these agencies cut their punch Bowl

938
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Speaker 3: subscriptions or cut you know, the dumb contracts that they

939
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Speaker 3: have with maybe Rivian or Tesla or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But well between between Ryan saving the government that money

941
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Speaker 2: for that fake Tesla contract or for a million dollars

942
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Speaker 2: or whatever, plus what we're saving the government for the

943
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Speaker 2: punch Bowl subscriptions, I mean, this is the real dog

944
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Speaker 2: right here.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Efficiency, that's great, the.

946
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Speaker 2: Grim efficiency gotten way more done than Elon. Oh my gosh,

947
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Speaker 2: we didn't even have to hack the Social Security database

948
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Speaker 2: to do it. Isn't that incredible?

949
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Speaker 3: We didn't have to know.

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Speaker 4: It's almost it's almost as if he wanted all that

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Speaker 4: data for something else.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, maybe interesting, very interesting, so that he can

953
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Speaker 2: feed it to Grock so that Greg can tell us

954
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Speaker 2: more about the kill the Bores song and White.

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Speaker 3: Aside, last thought, some of these Republicans know that they

956
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Speaker 3: have to outlast Donald Trump. So like there are people

957
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Speaker 3: in the Senate who are up after Donald Trump's presidential

958
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 3: term is over. And if you're that's not a Chip Roy,

959
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Speaker 3: but again like to keep using Chip Roy as an

960
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Speaker 3: example or Ron Johnson actually as an example who's just

961
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Speaker 3: re elected. You know that you have political ambitions that

962
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Speaker 3: are not just going to be whatever Trump says in

963
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Speaker 3: when is Trump's after twenty twenty eight? And so you're

964
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Speaker 3: gonna have to answer to voters after Donald Trump is

965
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Speaker 3: no longer president. And you don't know if Donald Trump

966
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Speaker 3: is going to maintain his hold on the Republican Party.

967
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Speaker 3: He probably will, but you have no idea what's going

968
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Speaker 3: to happen and if you're going to get hammered for

969
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 3: being mister doge, mister balanced budget and voting for a

970
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: piece of garbage bill. So the incentives are not where

971
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: Mike Johnson and Trump need them to be.

972
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Speaker 2: I got to get you guys to weigh in on

973
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Speaker 2: this James Comey situation. Seriously, what in the I don't

974
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: know what's going on. I genuinely don't know what's going

975
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: on here. So Camy posted this picture on Instagram.

976
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Speaker 3: What a deeply weird person, truly, truly.

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Speaker 2: It says eighty six forty seven and his his caption

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Speaker 2: is cool shell formation on my beachwalk. And then he

979
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, people were like, Okay, you're calling for the

980
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: president to be killed? Is that what we're doing? Is

981
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: that what's going on here? And you know they're apparently

982
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: now like investigating him for this as well. But anyway,

983
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Speaker 2: he posted this, he deleted the post, and he says,

984
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Speaker 2: I posted earlier picture of some shells I saw today

985
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Speaker 2: on a beach walk, which I assumed were a political message.

986
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Speaker 2: I didn't realize some folks associate those numbers with violence.

987
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Speaker 2: It never occurred to me, but I posed violence of

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Speaker 2: any kind, so I took the post down.

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Speaker 3: He was the US Attorney for the Southern District of

990
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Speaker 3: New York in addition to being the head of the FBI.

991
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Speaker 3: He is damn he damn sure knows that eighty six.

992
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Speaker 3: He knows exactly what it means, and he knows exactly

993
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: what he's doing when he juxtapo is it with forty seven?

994
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Speaker 3: Such a bizarre person.

995
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Speaker 4: I mean, as far as I know this, the only

996
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Speaker 4: place I know this is from restaurants where you say like, okay,

997
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 4: we're out of we're out of something. You know, eighty

998
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: six chicken. We did once and a mayor. Everybody laughed,

999
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: eighty six chicken? Like, kind of manager are you? How

1000
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Speaker 4: do we run out of chicken? So you just announced

1001
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Speaker 4: it to the step eighty six checking is off the menu. Uh,

1002
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 4: you can also impeach the president, like that's the way

1003
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Speaker 4: to eighty six. The guy also, yeah, so it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Of course, but it's a euphemism for like, is it

1005
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Speaker 3: has it become?

1006
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Speaker 2: I mean, don't. I don't honestly have a take, like

1007
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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess my only take is I think

1008
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Speaker 2: the Republicans are very hypocritical melting down over this, given

1009
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Speaker 2: like the level of the type of rhetoric that we

1010
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: hear from them all the time, and they'll suppose it

1011
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: like rejection of cancel culture blah blah blah. But I

1012
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: don't know, guys, maybe I'm naive, and maybe it's just

1013
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: because I'm like, if I saw those shells, I'm not

1014
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Speaker 2: sure that I would really put it together or think

1015
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Speaker 2: that this was like a call for an assassination. I

1016
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: think he maybe like boomer brained enough and whatever to

1017
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Speaker 2: just be like, oh, this is kind of interesting. I

1018
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Speaker 2: don't know, Maybe I genuinely think that's a possibility.

1019
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, maybe I don't think it should be well, but yeah,

1020
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Speaker 3: he's the FBI, he's a former FBI director. The idea

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Speaker 3: that you're just tossing these shells up on social media,

1022
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Speaker 3: even if you just think it's like kind of interesting,

1023
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Speaker 3: like oh, it's.

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Speaker 2: Idiot code to decode here, I don't know. That's kind

1025
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Speaker 2: of the vibe I got from it. It's just on

1026
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Speaker 2: a character because he's such a like cautious person in

1027
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Speaker 2: a lot of way.

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Speaker 3: Remember when he was social media posting from the woods

1029
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Speaker 3: of Iowa.

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Speaker 4: He's so weird.

1031
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Speaker 3: It's it's genuinely disturbing to me that that man had

1032
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: as much power as he did over the course of

1033
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: so many years. Used it first with Martha Stewart, which

1034
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 3: was when we all should have film on the line

1035
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,479
Speaker 3: there and real ones dead now. But then James Comy

1036
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: continued to ascend the ranks, a prize there, and we

1037
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Speaker 3: know how his power was abused when he was overseeing

1038
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Speaker 3: trying to take shortcuts to get Trump out of office.

1039
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Speaker 3: And so it's just like, what are you doing, bro,

1040
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Speaker 3: Like just retire, you sold a bunch of books.

1041
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Speaker 2: Good put the phone.

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Speaker 3: Lord.

1043
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's it. It's a commentary on how

1044
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: even when you're at the beach, you still cannot resist,

1045
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, posting in some way that's gonna it's going

1046
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: to get you in trouble.

1047
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Speaker 3: That is so true. And the only thing I'm going

1048
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Speaker 3: to add to this is the fact that he deleted

1049
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 3: it and said he didn't know. It's also just like, dude,

1050
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 3: then why are you post it? Like if if this

1051
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: is truly innocent, lave it up like who cares? But

1052
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 3: what are you? He's just so he's a muss.

1053
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Speaker 2: Well, that's where the boomer mindset comes in, is he

1054
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: didn't realize that the cardinal rule of social media is

1055
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: never delete, never apologize, be like miss Rachel and double down.

1056
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Speaker 2: Learn nothing from Donald Trump or Miss Rachel. Apparently. Yes, yes,

1057
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Speaker 2: all right, I wanted to. I wanted to get to

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Speaker 2: this abundance debate with Sam Theeter and as Recline, And

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Speaker 2: so we'll go ahead this part. We're going to transition

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Speaker 2: to the premium show for for these reactions, and we

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Speaker 5: And Ryan