Speaker 1: We'll go back all the smoke Pump Galla twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five and Jack, we gotta go a Texas More Time
Speaker 1: All Star Hall of Famer, one of the greatest college
Speaker 1: basketball players of all time, someone who was way before
Speaker 1: his time as far as his skill set, and Spencer
Speaker 1: Haywood said, we got to get this man to not
Speaker 1: be modest and make him talk his shit. So that's
Speaker 1: what he's going to do today. Man, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Ralph Samford, h appreciate you, man, thank you for coming in.
Speaker 1: Your game at seven four was something that hadn't necessarily
Speaker 1: been seen, but you didn't really get to utilize it
Speaker 1: as much as you would have got to use it
Speaker 1: in today's basketball. But how did with your size and
Speaker 1: skill set, how did you develop into some called you
Speaker 1: like a three man in a five body.
Speaker 2: You know when you're growing up in six seven in
Speaker 2: ninth grade, I mean go back, I hated basketball initially.
Speaker 3: Oh really, I.
Speaker 2: Mean because you only score sixteen points in a game.
Speaker 2: I had sixteen points in the first quarter.
Speaker 3: So it give me this rule. Talking about this.
Speaker 2: You know, and you know you play and you're tall,
Speaker 2: and you know you got your little coordinated and so
Speaker 2: when I was coming up, that's the way the roots were.
Speaker 2: So I played baseball and that was a really good pitcher.
Speaker 2: But as I grew, I through side arm and the
Speaker 2: ball would do like this, m nasty grow a little
Speaker 2: bit and gets black. The ball goes and hits the
Speaker 2: kid in the head. You know, so you got to
Speaker 2: go to first base. My mother like, okay, great, catch
Speaker 2: the ball with my ungloved hand, like you fool, you
Speaker 2: need to catch with the glove more the left film
Speaker 2: like it's the most boring and shit ever done. And
Speaker 2: so I got up of baseball, got the basketball, and
Speaker 2: then start to develop the game at that point in time,
Speaker 2: and then could never get the ball. But I had
Speaker 2: a lot of cousins and people that played in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: We played there every day in the neighborhood, so you know,
Speaker 2: you know how to get you're young, and you get older, cousins,
Speaker 2: you can't play now with the big boys and you're
Speaker 2: playing the last game. The freaking lights go out and
Speaker 2: you got to go home. So you know, we did
Speaker 2: all that. So but I played every day. I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how to swim. You don't just go
Speaker 4: to pool sit with my aunt.
Speaker 2: Most y'all don't I can get out the water.
Speaker 4: I ain't getting the ocean. Ocean.
Speaker 2: I got able to stand up when I get tired, exactly,
Speaker 2: I'm not even to play with that. And I don't
Speaker 2: need to go to the deep end.
Speaker 4: I can run in it. It was all good.
Speaker 2: But we did all that where we played every day,
Speaker 2: and then you got in the game. There was no au.
Speaker 2: There was five star and go to five star. They
Speaker 2: playing outside the food not good. I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 2: I got food and I got a good competition. Well,
Speaker 2: we would play, play, play, and then when I got
Speaker 2: in the in the ninth grade, my coach put me
Speaker 2: on JV to develop it and they moved me up
Speaker 2: at the end of the year and we went to
Speaker 2: the state championship. And so with that, I could never
Speaker 2: get the ball. So you dribble it, get it, drive
Speaker 2: it down, turn it over. So he made me in
Speaker 2: practice every day against the fastest guy there. If I
Speaker 2: could dribble and practice, I could dribble in the game.
Speaker 2: That's where it started.
Speaker 3: You played in the traditional game.
Speaker 1: We're back to the basket centers, but with the game
Speaker 1: now with stretch fives, and pace and space. Do you
Speaker 1: think your game would have been more acclimented for this
Speaker 1: game or today's game or any era?
Speaker 4: Probably any? I mean I love the era we played
Speaker 4: it because you know, if I played.
Speaker 2: In the day there, I came out in middle school,
Speaker 2: and today's era, I came out middle school, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have to go to finish high school.
Speaker 4: But when you come in and the league was.
Speaker 2: Tough, you know, and you had to have the power
Speaker 2: forward in the center. And so I knew at one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety pounds. So coming out high school, college,
Speaker 2: I need to go to college and get my way, huh.
Speaker 2: And I did that about my second year. But I
Speaker 2: wouldn't ready to play artists Gilmore. I wouldn't ready to
Speaker 2: play you know, the bad boy the boys, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean one of my good friends, bat Marie Lucas.
Speaker 2: He taught me a whole lot about the game, and
Speaker 2: he was a sweet guy, right, but he would play.
Speaker 2: We played against the Lakers, he played on the team.
Speaker 2: He comes to center court, he'd take his freaking elbow
Speaker 2: and punched me in the chest. I'm like, motherfucker, you know,
Speaker 2: we want to fight right there? And then we got
Speaker 2: to really get a camaraderie over the years, and he said,
Speaker 2: I couldn't catch you, so I better hit you the
Speaker 2: first because I'm going to catch you anymore. Right, So,
Speaker 2: but he taught me a lot about that. Artists was
Speaker 2: my first NBA game. He taught me a lot. Artists
Speaker 2: would pick me up. He would pick a kem up,
Speaker 2: left hand and this moving.
Speaker 4: And what he wanted to do. That's crazy, the strongest.
Speaker 2: Human effort, like your freaking hand, right. But you know,
Speaker 2: you learn from those guys, and so we stayed in
Speaker 2: and you did what you had to do because she
Speaker 2: wasn't quite ready for that beating.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's not like that today.
Speaker 1: Obviously a tremendous gift and opportunity being seven four. But
Speaker 1: what was the worst part about being so tall as
Speaker 1: a professional athlete.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the lifestyle you got to figure
Speaker 2: out right from the Fortunately my mother was counting at
Speaker 2: a pants factory.
Speaker 4: Okay, getting clothes was hard. Shoe size was hard.
Speaker 2: Every year you twelve, you got to twelve, you got
Speaker 2: to fifteen, you got a fifteen. It grew every year
Speaker 2: until seventeen. Shirts was okay, but pants and shorts, you know,
Speaker 2: I think an eyeball. Figure it out. And I college
Speaker 2: high school because made us wear like pole of shirts
Speaker 2: and we would wear it and he would make thee
Speaker 2: wear the color that I had to the game, so
Speaker 2: we would coordinated. It only had like two or three
Speaker 2: pair of pants, but we had jeans. My mom made
Speaker 2: sure I had everything I needed. My dad as well.
Speaker 2: But you got to adjust to doorways, beds growing up,
Speaker 2: great uncles. We had a room and had a regular bed,
Speaker 2: but you couldn't find a mattress.
Speaker 4: Okay, so but my uncles.
Speaker 2: Came and made the frame longer, but it was a
Speaker 2: gap in the end. So my feet at least hangover
Speaker 2: to do different things what I had to do to
Speaker 2: do creative.
Speaker 5: Harrisonburg Va upbringing, DMV talk about your bringing.
Speaker 2: It was fun. So in our family had a farm.
Speaker 2: It's been a hundred years in the family. So going
Speaker 2: through the farm was good because you could feel the
Speaker 2: legacy a family. My grandfather was in World War One,
Speaker 2: uncles were in World War Two and the Vietnam War.
Speaker 2: Twelve siblings and my mom is one of those twelve.
Speaker 2: So that was fun. Family reunions and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But the neighborhood, you know, and it was the hood,
Speaker 2: but it was the neighborhood. I had cousins on every corner.
Speaker 2: They could play that, we worked together, whatever, and so
Speaker 2: we created the hood and nobody came. No Caucasian people
Speaker 2: would come through the hood back then. They were coming
Speaker 2: to outskirts and they you know, some guys dating a
Speaker 2: girl and she would come in through the hood. She'd
Speaker 2: drive a car so fast up the street that she
Speaker 2: had to get out the hood. Right, So it was
Speaker 2: just that way. But we protected everybody, and nobody came
Speaker 2: and messed with it, right, Not big cousins and all that,
Speaker 2: for sure. But coming up was fun in Harrisonburg because
Speaker 2: the family and friends, high school coaches, and we could
Speaker 2: go anywhere, Charlottesville, Richmond, we could travel. But that was
Speaker 2: the best time of my life, really growing up because everybody
Speaker 2: respected everybody, but we competed. Family is still farming now.
Speaker 2: I'm doing some farming stuff now. We're still farming, but
Speaker 2: but my uncle is a little older and you can't
Speaker 2: farm anymore like you used to.
Speaker 4: So we kind of rented out.
Speaker 2: But I'm doing some farm stuff in the agricultural world,
Speaker 2: creating the fun and doing some stuff with the General's
Speaker 2: farming and hydro product farming as well. So we got
Speaker 2: to do something body of food here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're getting shipp from overseas.
Speaker 2: We don't know what it is. You got to go
Speaker 2: to the store. You got whole foods. Okay, great, that's cool.
Speaker 2: But then you go to a local markets in the hood,
Speaker 2: I mean where that's coming from.
Speaker 1: But whole food there's something about about whole foods with
Speaker 1: some of their stuff wasn't as whole as they claimed
Speaker 1: it to be, No, exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they had some I wanted visitors and there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they got some rodents in there for sure. Arguably the
Speaker 5: most heavily recruited college basketball prospect of your generation appeared
Speaker 5: on the cover of Sports Illustrated six times in four years,
Speaker 5: which is bananas. When did you start getting recruited and
Speaker 5: was they offering you that bag?
Speaker 6: Back then?
Speaker 4: It wasn't a bag looking like what the trash bag.
Speaker 6: I like that, like the track, I like the trash bag.
Speaker 6: I like the Chad bag.
Speaker 4: I like the chat big bag.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's a big bag, Hemp.
Speaker 2: But my mom and dad took care of that. So
Speaker 2: I know a lot more now than I did back then.
Speaker 4: Right, So Sports oil Street was cool.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't expect to do that, You just
Speaker 2: it just happens in that era.
Speaker 3: How were you not to cut you off? Howard you
Speaker 3: the first time you're on the cover of Sports Illustrating.
Speaker 2: Twenty six times twenty after my freshman year college. Next year,
Speaker 2: freshman year, we go to n I T. We beat
Speaker 2: You're in LV with Sid Green and those guys as well.
Speaker 2: We beat Kept McHale and Randy Bruin, those guys. If
Speaker 2: I came out that year, the year Red arc Back
Speaker 2: came to the house with a million dollars in the briefcase,
Speaker 2: put it on the kitchen table and said, you can
Speaker 2: play with the Mighty Boats and Celtics if you come
Speaker 2: to out this year.
Speaker 4: Kevin McHale went it, going.
Speaker 1: To the Yeah, you would have changed the course of
Speaker 1: history for them, but it's every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah that if it had changed the next year man
Speaker 2: Isaiah and there was the first two high school athletes
Speaker 2: to make a Pan American Olympic team.
Speaker 4: And Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: So you go back and look at Bob Knight was
Speaker 2: the coach and Ca Sheffey was an assistant.
Speaker 4: Coach, and so the story is there.
Speaker 6: I go early and.
Speaker 2: Work out a train and g Sheffey was teaching me
Speaker 2: how to do the Bob Knight system.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Bob Knight gets in into the practice and he called
Speaker 2: me out as a young kid. If you can't make yours,
Speaker 2: can't make it from the baseline and baseline and back
Speaker 2: in ten seconds, I'm senior, ass home. I made it
Speaker 2: in seven. Oh shit, I run. I made it in seven.
Speaker 2: So he tried to leave you an example. But go
Speaker 2: back in history you can see it. We did in
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico. Check us out. Were in Portobeve getting read
Speaker 2: play a game. We're going to practice and we had
Speaker 2: the time like one o'clock to be on court. The
Speaker 2: girls team with like ten minutes over. So Bobby goes
Speaker 2: down and talks to the police officer and they got
Speaker 2: to get off the court. And he's screaming and howling,
Speaker 2: he's moving his thing whatever and death like this smacks
Speaker 2: the cop and smacks the cop. So we got to
Speaker 2: come out of the Olympic village and go get some
Speaker 2: questioned in a hotel because now we got security and
Speaker 2: you have to look it up at this everybody, the
Speaker 2: whole thing, he's smacking smacking people. So man out, they're
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out. But going back to the story,
Speaker 2: but I came on my secondyeary we went to the
Speaker 2: national title. We got beat by North Carolina. Indiana won
Speaker 2: the national title that year, the year that Raakan got shot.
Speaker 2: If I came out that year and Isaiah like, who's
Speaker 2: coming out? You know we didn't have cell phone, we
Speaker 2: call had each other's home number. You're coming out, You're
Speaker 2: coming out. I'm coming out. But he might not have
Speaker 2: gone to Detroit. And then next year the same thing
Speaker 2: with the Lakers and working Wow, but they came out.
Speaker 2: But if I didn't know, I gotta flip. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go to the Lakers. I'm gonna go to Indiana. And
Speaker 2: we know how the league is, right, how the packet
Speaker 2: you want to end up in New York, how the
Speaker 2: Magic end up in the Lakers, and how the Bird
Speaker 2: end up in.
Speaker 3: Celtics, How Lebron and one click Cleveland.
Speaker 2: It's a chess game with the league, right, they know
Speaker 2: they got You got to have those teams, right, you
Speaker 2: gotta hold those rivaleries. So some people might say it's fixed,
Speaker 2: and maybe it may not be. I can't say that
Speaker 2: it is or not. But the league is the best
Speaker 2: thing in the world basketball, which we know we're knowing
Speaker 2: love right, and the game is the game.
Speaker 1: So you had from you, I mean probably earlier, but
Speaker 1: starting your freshman year in college. Each year you could
Speaker 1: have left. What kept you coming back? You just didn't
Speaker 1: feel like you were ready yet?
Speaker 2: Well, first year I wasn't ready. Okay, you know I
Speaker 2: came in and I came in to college one hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety.
Speaker 1: Pounds, so all and you said, read the airback came
Speaker 1: to this is supposed to be later, but you already
Speaker 1: spoke on some might as well just run with it.
Speaker 1: He came to the hospital a million dollar briefcase.
Speaker 4: You just so.
Speaker 1: Potentially picking you up. What pick would that would have
Speaker 1: would have been that they have the number one pick?
Speaker 1: And so he felt you were ready for the number
Speaker 1: one pick. You just didn't feel like you were ready.
Speaker 1: It's the number one pick.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're going there with chief pair. Yes, a lot,
Speaker 2: it's a lot in mL card. My body wasn't ready.
Speaker 2: I mean today they like they take a guy like
Speaker 2: and bebe and all that. Okay, you're not quite ready.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna play you a develop you. We're gonna
Speaker 2: sit you on the sideline like today.
Speaker 5: They didn't care about that red all that suitcase. One
Speaker 5: of them was gonna stay here, both of yah, just
Speaker 5: walk both leaving.
Speaker 2: Okay, the bridge canes opened right, and there's one hundred
Speaker 2: dollars buildings, but you don't know what's under it because
Speaker 2: you want let you touch it. But you know there's
Speaker 2: pressures of been coming in the house. And you know
Speaker 2: it had Larry Fitzgerald there. I mean mister Fitzhera owned
Speaker 2: owned the team as well. But you know, here's what
Speaker 2: it is. Wow, coming into college one and then after
Speaker 2: my first year about two or five, so I still would.
Speaker 2: I gained eighteen pounds between my freshmen and sophomore year.
Speaker 4: Then a wait rom every day.
Speaker 5: Your era of basketball didn't have au so it was
Speaker 5: five star and stuff like that. How is it, you know,
Speaker 5: moving through that to try to be seeing was there
Speaker 5: any hall of famers that coming up around the time
Speaker 5: with you?
Speaker 4: There was fiveter would I never played, never played bombs Stars.
Speaker 2: That was the first one I went to, so I
Speaker 2: would go to. I went to Kentucky basketball camp at
Speaker 2: our back was there, et et cetera. But one that
Speaker 2: we went to first was called Bill croninra That started
Speaker 2: all the recruiting services. So we go to Millersville, Georgia,
Speaker 2: and my high school coach drives me to Georgia in
Speaker 2: the back of his station wagon, you know. So it
Speaker 2: was he's driving doing this thing. You get there, I'd
Speaker 2: go to sign in and there's no Ralph Sampson on
Speaker 2: the roster. There's the Wayne Sampson, but no Ralph Samsons.
Speaker 2: All the names were just messed up, right, So check in.
Speaker 2: We get there and they pull you aside. You go
Speaker 2: by the rule. They say, well, here are the rules.
Speaker 2: If you see somebody run across the court and they
Speaker 2: get the ball, don't mind them, just let them do
Speaker 2: their thing. So we were then we're in the mental institution,
Speaker 2: oh ship, and so they have people in the stands
Speaker 2: and they would go get the ball and just run around,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, what were we doing. But between that
Speaker 2: and the and the sleeping quarters were military barracks.
Speaker 4: So you want to go take a dump, It's like,
Speaker 4: we're sitting right.
Speaker 3: Here next to you.
Speaker 4: No aggredition, no nothing. So that's the first one.
Speaker 2: But the likes of the team were there, James Worthy
Speaker 2: are there, Thomas, Dominique, Wilkin, Antoine Car, Clark, Kelboll. I
Speaker 2: mean the list was massive, right, and we all played
Speaker 2: and we had a union where like everybody don't know
Speaker 2: Antoine Car with the baddest dunker in the league at
Speaker 2: that point in time. But he'd do some stupid ship,
Speaker 2: right and so you know, we got a little heavier,
Speaker 2: but and he would we do dunk contests. Okay, here
Speaker 2: one you you you win it, We do it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he had funky stuff. I mean he would, I mean
Speaker 2: he had. Dominique was good, but he couldn't compete with Cary.
Speaker 4: You got a little heavier the same, but yeah, took
Speaker 4: it off in that level. But he was a bad boy.
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on whole backs in high school
Speaker 5: and what age did you arrive at Virginia.
Speaker 2: He came out of high school and I went I
Speaker 2: was eighteen, eighteen going to high school, going to Agenda.
Speaker 4: So eighteen going to my nineteenth birthday.
Speaker 5: You believe in this six year senior ship. Now MONTHU
Speaker 5: thirty years old, still a freshman just to be good
Speaker 5: in basketball.
Speaker 4: At ju Co rule they changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah at four years that come back and go to
Speaker 2: record school four years you ninety twenty seven, twenty the
Speaker 2: last year year before one of the college teams was
Speaker 2: older than the NBA team. A yeah, alb and still lost,
Speaker 2: still lost.
Speaker 6: That's crazy everybody. And your team got kids.
Speaker 5: And retirement already and they losing.
Speaker 4: In the c A tournament.
Speaker 6: That's crazy, bro.
Speaker 2: But I mean this the system broken. So you know,
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the high school kid. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: never go get recruited to make it go.
Speaker 6: My son's going through.
Speaker 4: It right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's his name. Platino came out and said,
Speaker 1: I'm not recruiting. High school kids are not going to
Speaker 1: help you win. And I'm thinking that's so ass backwards
Speaker 1: because colleges for young kids coming in trying to figure
Speaker 1: it a way out, and now you've got twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven year olds. And I don't even
Speaker 1: blame the players because it's the system that's broken. And
Speaker 1: I don't blame the coaches because their jobs are on
Speaker 1: the line if they don't win. So naturally, you think
Speaker 1: an older kid is going to help me more than
Speaker 1: a seventeen makes.
Speaker 4: Us think that it's okay, yeah, making that money, but
Speaker 4: it's still.
Speaker 5: Funy giving guys out of college that play sports another opportunity.
Speaker 4: The guys.
Speaker 5: You know, they got certain guys in jail that got
Speaker 5: a bad hand and they probably want to need a
Speaker 5: second chance. I would rather give those guy guys an opportunity.
Speaker 5: It's somebody forty years old, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think the Cats ain't gonna go pro anyway.
Speaker 1: I think the I think the cap should be twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think twenty four. I mean that's what six years
Speaker 1: removed from high school. If you can't figure it out
Speaker 1: as far as sports goes, go back and get your degree.
Speaker 3: And do whatever you want you want to do.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I just think college the point of
Speaker 1: colleges to help develop young kids coming out of high school.
Speaker 3: And that's not what I mean.
Speaker 4: You know, the high school coaches are not like they
Speaker 4: used to know.
Speaker 2: They're not teaching. So you got gods out there to
Speaker 2: run the AU teams. I don't know the fun of
Speaker 2: the game at all, So they wanted they just want
Speaker 2: to get one to go to pro and right the
Speaker 2: right way. But the sad part is I did a
Speaker 2: tournament this year and we had forty two teams from
Speaker 2: Australia forty two that the Australian government paid for them
Speaker 2: to come in the States and go to the major tournaments.
Speaker 2: They paid the freight, their their chaveel bill was crazy,
Speaker 2: and then their food bill the tournament was fitty grand.
Speaker 2: But they want those kids to come over and play
Speaker 2: with these states.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now we got to get kids to go over
Speaker 4: there to play.
Speaker 2: But the money is not that great, right, So it's
Speaker 2: it's it's reverse and they try to try to put
Speaker 2: them on it.
Speaker 5: Did you go down under? Make Sydney my foot? The
Speaker 5: first two weeks there though, so chasing kangaroos. Chasing kangaroos
Speaker 5: went down there instantly.
Speaker 3: It wasn't right.
Speaker 1: ACC rook of the Year three times, you see player
Speaker 1: of the Year three time Player of the Year, three times,
Speaker 1: First Team All American in Virginia, Kyleege.
Speaker 3: But you played in in in the heyday of the
Speaker 3: ACC real a CC.
Speaker 1: Jordan, Perkins and Worthy or were at North Carolina. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of other names, but take us
Speaker 1: back to what the a c C was like when
Speaker 1: you were coming up.
Speaker 2: They were the pro player at least two on every
Speaker 2: team on every a CC.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, and the worst team was Clemson, but they
Speaker 2: are Larry Nance Moose Moose. They had three three pros,
Speaker 2: but they were they were on the bottom. And then
Speaker 2: you go to Maryland with the great level. You had
Speaker 2: Albert King, Buck Williams, Ernie Graham and the boys up
Speaker 2: there fight every time you go up there.
Speaker 3: Were you before Limbys I played against you one year Oka.
Speaker 3: What was he like?
Speaker 2: They had to depleted team, but you could see he
Speaker 2: had it. Yeah, he had that special thing and you
Speaker 2: can see it being developed. And the question was cause lefty,
Speaker 2: you know, take me where you go right, which was
Speaker 2: really questioned in d C the whole year. But he
Speaker 2: had that thing.
Speaker 1: MJ stories or battles against him at a younger age
Speaker 1: at the college level.
Speaker 2: I mean we played college against each other. Obviously we
Speaker 2: won some game, they won some games. But the one
Speaker 2: game we're down in North Carolina and you know, he's
Speaker 2: in his mode.
Speaker 4: I'm in my mode. We're dunk and worthy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm doing lobs and the whole bring the
Speaker 2: ball to court. So we we up and I look
Speaker 2: up and we're down and were playing defense and Michael
Speaker 2: was now in his Michael mode and defensive mode. So
Speaker 2: he goes and they need to steal, needed something to
Speaker 2: change the game. He steals the ball from my point
Speaker 2: guard and goes down dunks and does want them or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then they win the game.
Speaker 4: So he was in that mode.
Speaker 2: But you know, only when they ever stopped Michael from
Speaker 2: scoring Dean Smith and he could have scored more. But mean,
Speaker 2: you got Worthy, you got a squad, Jimmy Black, they
Speaker 2: had top ten guys we could play, right, he had
Speaker 2: that rule. Yeah, and you couldn't know he didn't want
Speaker 2: anybody for twenty points. But if you go to North Carolina,
Speaker 2: the story about you have so Charlie Scott, good friend
Speaker 2: with the first black player in the a SEC and
Speaker 2: he got disrespected down there whatever, But Dean Smith took
Speaker 2: care of him. So that history was there and everybody
Speaker 2: saw that. Michael saw it, Worthy saw it, and they
Speaker 2: all gravitated that cause he broke the cold in the
Speaker 2: in the southern belt.
Speaker 4: Right, Maryland was Maryland.
Speaker 2: They players John luc Lynnell Moore of those guys, right,
Speaker 2: but Charlie Scott's the one that broke that that North
Speaker 2: Carolina cold, and he he should get a lot of
Speaker 2: credit for that truth.
Speaker 1: About you getting death threats, some dorm incidents. I mean
Speaker 1: you faced a lot of racism in mind speaking on
Speaker 1: any of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know it until after the fact. Coach
Speaker 2: Dave Odham years later set me down. He was coaching
Speaker 2: in South Carolina and we had a long conversations about
Speaker 2: what was going on. And so when year I was
Speaker 2: a senior and go back, even when there was stretching
Speaker 2: still they all the mail that came to UVA. We
Speaker 2: had a lady secretary to handle all the mail. I
Speaker 2: never saw it. They handled it. MS Holland did it.
Speaker 2: They would sign stuff sent back and.
Speaker 4: So I could do what I need.
Speaker 2: So they was reading all the mail back then, and
Speaker 2: so one asid that was happening a couple of different things.
Speaker 2: So I lived on the lawn my senior year. Both
Speaker 2: be prestigious, but no bathroom. You gotta run down the hall,
Speaker 2: go down whatever. But you live on Thomas Jeffers lawn.
Speaker 2: So that's cool. People didn't want a black man to
Speaker 2: live on the lawn.
Speaker 3: Explain what the lawna is for those that don't know.
Speaker 4: The lawn is.
Speaker 2: When Thomas Jefferson built the school, he wanted to see
Speaker 2: his university. So he has Manticello, which sits on the
Speaker 2: mountain where his main house was. He had the toun
Speaker 2: done so he could see the space. Now even today
Speaker 2: airspace planes came from came still back today you can't
Speaker 2: build anything higher than the lawn. So there was these
Speaker 2: row houses and they were small rooms that had a
Speaker 2: sink in and a bed and fireplace, and that was
Speaker 2: then in the desk, so Edgar Allen poll, I mean
Speaker 2: all the historical guys lived on the lawn.
Speaker 4: And it's still some rooms there that's still old. You
Speaker 4: could see. So I got awarded. I have to write
Speaker 4: a paper.
Speaker 2: Stuff I got on the lawn from that stamps Press, Tigers,
Speaker 2: Ralph Sampson. On the lawn, I would change my number
Speaker 2: number six to number nine and put number nine to
Speaker 2: number six because I would get somebody knocking on the
Speaker 2: door all the time, somebody, I guess in the back
Speaker 2: of the room. Whatever got rached, and so Coach Allen said,
Speaker 2: you gotta get out because they might try to putting
Speaker 2: that on you. So we moved out of the city.
Speaker 2: And then I get there and somebody try gets tracked.
Speaker 2: You talk about we talked about the bag of so
Speaker 2: my car, and my mom still is.
Speaker 4: Going to deny it today.
Speaker 2: But I had a Conversion van is what I drove
Speaker 2: for my second year on and you know, I had
Speaker 2: the seats in and stuff like that, and it had
Speaker 2: stereo system in it, and they start stealing the stereo
Speaker 2: system out.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So we got a alarm on or whatever, and God
Speaker 2: blessed so one of the famous doctors there say okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna stop that. He gave me a three fifty
Speaker 2: seven magnum and taught me how to shoot and said,
Speaker 2: if you hear somebody coming in and the seraph for
Speaker 2: there if somebody coming, and get your card to shoot
Speaker 2: down through the window and call us. Fortunately I went
Speaker 2: to sleep the night they did it. And so it
Speaker 2: was a lot of that in the end that I
Speaker 2: didn't know. But after my senior year I started to
Speaker 2: understand a little bit more. So it was a lot
Speaker 2: of letters and hate mail from different schools that I
Speaker 2: didn't know. And so one year that happened, I stayed
Speaker 2: in Coach Challenge basement and lived in his basement.
Speaker 4: But I didn't know what was going on at that point.
Speaker 1: Not even your Greatness could stop the hate crazy. When
Speaker 1: did the Puma deal come about for you go back
Speaker 1: to the shoe dye.
Speaker 4: So Clyde Fraser the first basketball player.
Speaker 2: That had a shoot yeah, and then Puma in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six had the three guys that won the relay
Speaker 2: race and they put the hand up.
Speaker 4: Let's started the shoe stuff as well.
Speaker 2: So I wore Pro Kids, and Pro Kids was going
Speaker 2: by stride right at that point in time. So coming
Speaker 2: into college are like, yeah, I want to wear Pro Kids,
Speaker 2: and we had the Adidas contract at Uba, and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to wear a didas lived too hard.
Speaker 4: So I wear Pro Kids.
Speaker 2: And by the time I got out of the college,
Speaker 2: my my Pro Kid deal was more than my NBA
Speaker 2: contract real time five. That's because I got shared in
Speaker 2: the straw right strive right were the kid's shoes, and everybody, oh,
Speaker 2: you got an equity in that. But I didn't know
Speaker 2: that Pro Kids was getting ready to go the business
Speaker 2: and Stridwright got but so got a little money paid,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like it should have been right. So
Speaker 2: then I'm scrambling. But Puma, a god named Quious Government
Speaker 2: has lived here. It was recruiting me hard like.
Speaker 4: Anywhere pooma wear poom poom pooma. So it's I'm in
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 2: I got my pro kids three weeks before the first
Speaker 2: game against Allers give More. I didn't have a shoe,
Speaker 2: so kids came in, I mean, Pooma came in.
Speaker 4: They took the pro.
Speaker 2: Kids shoe, sent it to Germany, and I had a
Speaker 2: prototype in two weeks. It was the same shoe I
Speaker 2: wore sky, but it didn't have any in the sole
Speaker 2: cushion in it. So it was my first game. I
Speaker 2: had six press socks on until they got the shoot right.
Speaker 2: So that started the shoe game. And so we went
Speaker 2: to that level and I'm actually still I mean a
Speaker 2: lifetime contract with him.
Speaker 3: Now this is what he said. They didn't have a
Speaker 3: fucking soul in them.
Speaker 1: You know that's something you gotta take the sole out
Speaker 1: because your feet is too big and it's.
Speaker 2: Like it was like a's crazy and I had orthotics
Speaker 2: but it's still tied up. But they went over, took
Speaker 2: the same shoe, re engineered it and brought it back
Speaker 2: within three weeks.
Speaker 5: When you got to the league, did any big man
Speaker 5: try to bully every day?
Speaker 2: Every day? That was just part of the game back then,
Speaker 2: every part yeah. I mean if you not even get
Speaker 2: jass kids exactly exactly. I mean, think about it, Dark Dawkins,
Speaker 2: He's just gonna try to jump Organ dunk on you.
Speaker 2: Artists thunder Artists wasn't mean I mean artists. And I
Speaker 2: was always that artist, the sweetest guy ever. But but
Speaker 2: it was cambaraderie back then because the guy that felt
Speaker 2: there really were the NBA players. They wanted to help
Speaker 2: the young ones. So Artist would play against me and say,
Speaker 2: big felt, get a little lower. I mean in a
Speaker 2: freaking game, get a little lower. It'll only be pushed
Speaker 2: you out that much in the course of the game.
Speaker 2: And I say, to day would give m a hug,
Speaker 2: and he's one of my favorites, right, but everybody would
Speaker 2: do that, Maurice Lucas, Artists, you know, Moses, everybody would
Speaker 2: do that, like okay, let's let's play and let's get
Speaker 2: this done.
Speaker 3: Can you speak to Moses Malone's greatness.
Speaker 2: You know, he's from Virginia Petersburg and we always are
Speaker 2: saying God bless him, you know four four or five
Speaker 2: four four, you know, So he was like that, and
Speaker 2: I mean he just was. You know, he went to
Speaker 2: Maryland for about two weeks he said, I can't do
Speaker 2: this ship. I could go to the league, make it happen.
Speaker 2: And he deliberately would throw the ball against the glass
Speaker 2: and get a couple of stats. Yeah, I mean just
Speaker 2: throw it out.
Speaker 4: Get it.
Speaker 2: But he was, you know, and and Moses hated Kareem.
Speaker 2: M I'm gonna just wipe his ass out because he
Speaker 2: was physical. And so when they won the championship, I was,
Speaker 2: I just decided to stay in school. I was in Florida.
Speaker 2: I drew from Florida back and Moses invite me to
Speaker 2: the to the games because Virginia boys and said, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna kick his ass. But you know that's just moldings though.
Speaker 2: But Rebounder to Nation really good guy, great guy, I mean, one.
Speaker 5: Of the best, right And so I came up I
Speaker 5: met him. He was still playing after yard Star playing.
Speaker 5: He was still coming to Funday in Houston all day
Speaker 5: and still playing every game.
Speaker 2: You know, but you know he taught it, came along
Speaker 2: on everything, you know, yeah, yeah, everything at Funday. So
Speaker 2: Kim comes to Funday, comes to mothers tells the story.
Speaker 2: Kim come to here Niversity of Houston, you know, came
Speaker 2: with a soccer player. Uh, he gets to Houston and
Speaker 2: he's got his African gear own and so and so
Speaker 2: he gave.
Speaker 4: Me a card.
Speaker 2: Houston and it was convertible, and he didn't know how
Speaker 2: to put the convertible top up. Now he put it,
Speaker 2: goes down and it starts to rain, so the converbile
Speaker 2: gets all wet and most that took him by side.
Speaker 2: But they played at Fundy every day, every day, and
Speaker 2: as you know, history, funny every it was a better
Speaker 2: game than Fundy.
Speaker 6: It was a real game. I'm trying to I'll be
Speaker 6: trying to tell people that.
Speaker 2: If you lost, you might have get back to the corn. No,
Speaker 2: you might not get up to the next week exactly. But
Speaker 2: everybody played there.
Speaker 4: I played. Everybody played there.
Speaker 2: I mean everybody would come to Houston and play at
Speaker 2: Funday and then all you know, everybody remember the Hill, Yes,
Speaker 2: I remember the everybody ran it. Everybody you running Hill,
Speaker 2: work out John Lucas and you go play it.
Speaker 4: Funny, it was all John Lucas was Ahad and all that. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But I was watching y'all playing Funday when I couldn't play.
Speaker 5: When I was young, I was going and just watching
Speaker 5: before I can actually get on exactly.
Speaker 4: But when you hang out all day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rookie of the Year, All Star Rookie season one game,
Speaker 5: you had thirteen blocks as a rookie.
Speaker 6: Coming into the rookie year, you was just confident, ready
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 2: I mean, rookie year, you know, you kind of get
Speaker 2: new to what's happening physicality. Yeah, you know. So so
Speaker 2: I get drafted one. Rynie McKay craig get drafted three
Speaker 2: to Sacramento.
Speaker 3: Did he go to Sacramento?
Speaker 2: No, we went to Houston together. Oh yeah, we had
Speaker 2: still found it to somebody in the middle. So we
Speaker 2: leave New York on private jets two, flying to Houston,
Speaker 2: his Simon one on one. We get to Houston, there's
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people in the arena, the walk one's there.
Speaker 4: We get there and this is pretty cool to go
Speaker 4: to work.
Speaker 2: Let's play because I played Ronnie in Louisville every year
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, like you know, had Super
Speaker 2: Bowl Sunday and we beat him in whatever. But he said,
Speaker 2: well you beat if we know, we go go to
Speaker 2: the final four because you made us mad and he said,
Speaker 2: that's the same shit today. But we went there and
Speaker 2: then we go out, you know, go out, guess, and
Speaker 2: then we go to the club hangout. We see Calwell Jones,
Speaker 2: Major Jones, Allen Level and then and they're drinking and
Speaker 2: smoking cigarettes. We're like, what the fuck we got ourselves into.
Speaker 2: We're not using right and so we're like, okay, we're
Speaker 2: in trouble. So that first year we had to adjust
Speaker 2: to the lifestyle, lifestyle of the league. And then you
Speaker 2: know the sweets. I mean, Colboy Jones taught me a lot.
Speaker 2: But tall guys, slim like singing like me. That would
Speaker 2: be a case of beer beside his locker. After every game.
Speaker 4: He would drink the case, the rehydration case a case.
Speaker 1: They say beer is good for rehydration. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: a case for real. Yeah before the arena for enough arena.
Speaker 1: But sweet guy. But we had fun that first year
Speaker 1: and we try to change it the next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Calvin Murphy taught me a lot.
Speaker 4: That's my guy too.
Speaker 2: You're all talking about Okay, Like, watch Calvin he's playing
Speaker 2: I played, he played in in in pre season. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting on the bench, Major Jones sitting there. Watch Calvin
Speaker 2: still the ball means still a boy. He run right
Speaker 2: beside the guy. Colvim with tripped the guy still ball
Speaker 2: go down and play, and then he would go at
Speaker 2: Bill Fitch because Bill Fitch actually made him retire. Guy nasty,
Speaker 2: I mean, and and and the big boys knew the
Speaker 2: cold would fight you. But you learned a lot from
Speaker 2: him and Elvin Hayes and all that. So it was
Speaker 2: it was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it just seems like and obviously we got
Speaker 1: a little taste of it too, But I feel like
Speaker 1: what the NBA is missing today is veterans that really
Speaker 1: cared and helped and and you know, helped you avoid
Speaker 1: pitfalls and gave you the game, like you said, giving
Speaker 1: you the game during the game. And I feel like
Speaker 1: the league desperately misses just another presence they needed every that.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I don't care to see them that because the
Speaker 4: young ones don't.
Speaker 3: Know no clue even today. Yeah, so they.
Speaker 4: Would do that, and they would be I think a
Speaker 4: better team. We got lucky.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The following year, was it? The following year? Number one pick?
Speaker 6: Again?
Speaker 1: You guys get her King? What's that like? You guys
Speaker 1: build the twin towers. MJ was in that draft too,
Speaker 1: and he could have got MJ. You guys went with
Speaker 1: the King, so you got another big on your side.
Speaker 1: How did that relationship develop in.
Speaker 2: My rookie year and made a statement in the news
Speaker 2: scraper like you know, you gotta just play so and
Speaker 2: so and then you know, and like I said, Elvin
Speaker 2: Hayes looked after me, called Will Jones.
Speaker 4: So we planning in.
Speaker 2: Kansas City and we got together started then and big
Speaker 2: Ee was like, but he needed like so many more
Speaker 2: minutes to get like one hundred thousand.
Speaker 4: Dollars and we all know it bonus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they came in there, Look, you know
Speaker 2: we gotta get we gotta get his money.
Speaker 4: So I'm playing. But if you planned and then play,
Speaker 4: get get the minutes.
Speaker 2: So first quarters, yeah, you know that's why we took
Speaker 2: care of you. So come out of the game, Bill Fittz,
Speaker 2: whatever he played, gets his money. So we did that,
Speaker 2: but we knew at that point in time we do
Speaker 2: get the number one pick. And at that point so
Speaker 2: they came to me and said, we're thinking about this
Speaker 2: twin tower thing and we want to keep on going
Speaker 2: to play here with you. I said, cool, because I
Speaker 2: can go to forward. I don't have to get that
Speaker 2: beating right.
Speaker 6: Your natural position anyway, all out there and do my things.
Speaker 4: I loved it right from that standpoint. We had.
Speaker 2: We had a crew, I mean myself a keen. Remember
Speaker 2: Louis Lloyd yep, yep, Lewis Lloyd all now void, and
Speaker 2: we did our video Mitchell Wiggins. We had Craig Elo
Speaker 2: was our thirteenth man on twelve man team.
Speaker 4: Really he couldn't get Norma.
Speaker 3: Craig like gang too, Yeah, gang, I.
Speaker 4: Mean were you playing hard? He played hard?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we had Ryan McCrae, Robbie Reid. We was missing
Speaker 2: the guard and everybody knows the story. Norman Nixon was
Speaker 2: on the Clippers and we was getting ready to getting
Speaker 2: norm and they didn't pull the trigger and me Norman Deba,
Speaker 2: I met him today like I had Norman.
Speaker 4: At my house. My mom was there. My mom cooked
Speaker 4: Norman some.
Speaker 2: Fried chicken and they were like whatever. And every time
Speaker 2: I go to the Clipper game and DeBie like, I
Speaker 2: want some fried chicken.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm running the point for y'all had been around. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's because.
Speaker 2: He was ready, you know, revanded with the Clippers and
Speaker 2: the Lakers, and he had a chip on his shoulder.
Speaker 3: What was your relationship like with the king off the court?
Speaker 2: We knew of each other. We bonded like the first
Speaker 2: couple of months, go on lunch, hanging out a little
Speaker 2: bit on the road. We looked out to each other
Speaker 2: in different rooms and we made sure we had that coming.
Speaker 2: And Bill Fitch started that we may have played against
Speaker 2: each other practice twice, you know, but we had to
Speaker 2: build that bond to play. So we built when we
Speaker 2: started playing against Kareem, so they know everybody want to
Speaker 2: kill Kareem, and so they would put him on Kareem
Speaker 2: and me on Rambas and somebody else, and I said, okay,
Speaker 2: you hold him up and I'll blocked the school.
Speaker 4: And you know everybody wants to block the shot. We
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 2: A couple of times weren't getting considered because he was
Speaker 2: always killing people, but we built it that way, and
Speaker 2: we knew that if I'm out, he's back, and he
Speaker 2: knew if I'm back, he's out. I got his back.
Speaker 2: So that started that kind of chat. We had it
Speaker 2: down for a while.
Speaker 5: You and Elijah One, Russ, Tim Doncan, and David Robinson
Speaker 5: Twins Win.
Speaker 4: David Robins still having nightmare, he said, he's still.
Speaker 6: That's how I got my guy up, David. But guess
Speaker 6: what he's still yeah.
Speaker 4: He said he still has.
Speaker 3: That had been a hell of a matchup too, because
Speaker 3: they came in and teno.
Speaker 6: This is another thing.
Speaker 4: That's how serious the Fundy workouts was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pop son Tim and Day down there did he
Speaker 6: I was, That's when I was there.
Speaker 5: He son us all down there for the season started,
Speaker 5: son Us all down there. That's how good it was.
Speaker 5: Bro Tony Parker Ganoda. We all went for four days.
Speaker 5: That Fundy is nothing like that. Nineteen eighty six playoffs.
Speaker 5: You and the King be the number one seed defending
Speaker 5: champions Lakers in five games in.
Speaker 4: The Western Conference Finals. What was that feeling like?
Speaker 6: It was?
Speaker 4: It's crazy? You know we had I mean we were
Speaker 4: prime ready to go.
Speaker 2: We had he was in a growing series with Denver
Speaker 2: and Alex Ingers and they run and jumped, They got
Speaker 2: you in that officitude trying to kill you. And so
Speaker 2: we grew to say it with them went seven games.
Speaker 2: You had the game win to close up the series.
Speaker 2: Well that was in the Lakers coming to the Lakers.
Speaker 2: So were there and fall We won with Elo Jim Peterson.
Speaker 2: We won with the crew that we had right and
Speaker 2: we go we went. Now we're going to the Lakers.
Speaker 2: So we got one day to prepare and we play
Speaker 2: the Lakers. So that one day, cool girt they drill us.
Speaker 2: I mean, he said, well, this shit gonna be easy.
Speaker 2: We had a meeting, he said, okay, that's one game
Speaker 2: we got. We have some time to regroup. We made
Speaker 2: a commitment like we're gonna come back and we're gonna
Speaker 2: we're gonna kill these dudes. Right from that standpoint, So
Speaker 2: we did, came back, won the second game, go to
Speaker 2: Houston and we're gonna went down there anyway. From that standpoint,
Speaker 2: got to go back to the Lakers. And then you
Speaker 2: watched the video for the game hit the winning shot.
Speaker 2: Were getting a little altercation, yes, yes, indeed altercation more
Speaker 2: reason the boys whatever, so uh a king and rabbits
Speaker 2: got into it.
Speaker 4: So you look at it.
Speaker 2: We all over the over the bench, get off of it,
Speaker 2: and then I got mad. From that standpoint, they kicked
Speaker 2: it came out and so it was on me and
Speaker 2: Robert and the cruise. So we just said let's go.
Speaker 2: And then we got got to that point and right
Speaker 2: and the Craig will say, well, you got a lucky shot,
Speaker 2: but I made the pass. If you look at the
Speaker 2: Cream played behind me and sit in front, because you
Speaker 2: know if you played behind me, I'm gonna live up anyway.
Speaker 4: So you know you don't have you in practice. You
Speaker 4: play I want to hit that one shot. We do
Speaker 4: it all the time. It's not that practice, that same shot,
Speaker 4: but we had the mentality to do that and we
Speaker 4: wanted and to goes in.
Speaker 1: But that's an incredible shot, though it's over the shoulder.
Speaker 3: Was it over the shoulder or was it?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: I knew you know you set up posing, you sit up,
Speaker 4: you sit up at the box.
Speaker 2: Let's know where you are at the box. And once
Speaker 2: you do it, I'll go in. I'll drive Cream down
Speaker 2: to the whole. I'm above the box. And you got
Speaker 2: your position right now. You got them deep.
Speaker 3: And to lose a series that way, bro.
Speaker 2: In l a here, Well you know I told Magic said,
Speaker 2: well you know were the one you go get beating
Speaker 2: in Houston anyway, so you didn't.
Speaker 1: Have to travel, say some time, you know they can't
Speaker 1: a little early heard my boy too, like I still
Speaker 1: hate you because they had won what one or two
Speaker 1: before that? They went too in a row before that,
Speaker 1: A one one okay, so they went back, they went
Speaker 1: to after that, okay two.
Speaker 2: After that they got mad and got in shape and
Speaker 2: you know it said we need to get this down
Speaker 2: because they knew we were coming.
Speaker 5: I ended up losing the Labrard, the Celtians and six
Speaker 5: in the finals. He was part of a learnary fight
Speaker 5: sixty six one guy. He said, which one you can
Speaker 5: show that one?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 6: Good? Jerry's what's how you saying?
Speaker 4: Name? Jerry Sitch there gets smacked in them out.
Speaker 6: The Celis fans wanted blood after that, though, that's.
Speaker 4: Fine, and they tried to get it it. So we
Speaker 4: so we're playing and I got like fifteen and seven
Speaker 4: in the first quarter.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can so like okay and that and
Speaker 2: again it's like you're gonna beat this. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: to beat this ol because you're not gonna beat me
Speaker 2: on my home court. So you know, I got that
Speaker 2: point and and Larry had a good game. He had
Speaker 2: a lucky shot against Rody McCrae. We should have won
Speaker 2: that game and but we'd have been like even, but.
Speaker 4: We didn't do that. So I'm in the post up.
Speaker 2: And I'm picking in and for Roddy and Robert and
Speaker 2: Robert come off, you know, and you pin down, pick
Speaker 2: down now trying to.
Speaker 4: Get the ball. Well, them two little fuckers would come back.
Speaker 3: And hit you in the nuts after they run past
Speaker 3: you from damn d.
Speaker 2: Man like okay, ship one more time and I'm jumping
Speaker 2: and dunking and running and whatever and one too many times,
Speaker 2: you know, So it just kind of exploded.
Speaker 4: And the fighting part.
Speaker 2: If you look at that fight, you know, my my
Speaker 2: at the end of the at the end of the
Speaker 2: bench right there, you'll see it. My two sisters came
Speaker 2: off the stands. He's sitting on the side of there.
Speaker 6: Was ready to go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not gonna take you know. That was it was.
Speaker 4: It was fun, but you know, you gotta fight sometimes.
Speaker 6: Was known to be dirty though. Yeah, he's known to
Speaker 6: be dirty, bro, But you know that's a draft.
Speaker 2: I mean you start guess some of your the on
Speaker 2: some TV against leg and they you know, go at
Speaker 2: him as hard as well. And Bill Walton he was there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just the kind of the way it
Speaker 2: kind of went down. It was cool to fight back then.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a million dollars fine and suspended for the season,
Speaker 6: none of that.
Speaker 3: He played the next game. You didn't get suspended.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I got Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: So it did get so I got threats.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you can them who tackled you Bill?
Speaker 4: You see, can't you saw came in there? His part
Speaker 4: just Dennis Johnson.
Speaker 5: Was that Bill Walton that that Okay, he was he
Speaker 5: was he was trying to make the piece. So he
Speaker 5: was trying to get some who Bill.
Speaker 4: No, he wouldn't. He wasn't. He wasn't wanna make I
Speaker 4: mean he's making at Yeah, he had one another that.
Speaker 6: Rest in peace, the big Bill.
Speaker 4: But he would he would hit you and do your
Speaker 4: thing with dirty little.
Speaker 6: Was he good?
Speaker 4: Was he good? Bill?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Ye had the game. He was just strong. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: and it's older year or whatever.
Speaker 6: I like Bill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a good relationship after the fact. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know I didn't want to play against I don't.
Speaker 3: Want to kill him.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See that's back when there, I mean in the league
Speaker 3: has shifted, dramastic draft nice.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, keep it up there.
Speaker 3: That was just off the real bang. Rah wasn't playing
Speaker 3: no games.
Speaker 4: Around. You gotta quick look at look at.
Speaker 6: You got it?
Speaker 4: You know, then you get kicked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rock, but you had to have when you
Speaker 1: came in the game. You had to have that type
Speaker 1: of fire, right, you had to you get walked over.
Speaker 4: And get walked over and beat up and doing it
Speaker 4: like that too much. It's just hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hit a couple of times like yeah, enough enough.
Speaker 2: But then we go to Boston, hm, and so corn
Speaker 2: Bread he actually hit me to what I did his podcast,
Speaker 2: you know, a number of years ago. But I get
Speaker 2: to Boston. While we get there, and then I had
Speaker 2: death threats from that game, and so I bought in
Speaker 2: my two way coaches from UVA, both of them like
Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and weird chefs behind us. We quartered
Speaker 2: one end of the of the hotel and I had
Speaker 2: them in between my room. But then at the game,
Speaker 2: as you see it in Boston, they had a noose
Speaker 2: around my neck and a kind of stuffed the version
Speaker 2: maybe with number and fifty and we're gonna hang him
Speaker 2: and took it over the bottom of the arena.
Speaker 4: And so me and Cornbrack said, that's kind of strange.
Speaker 2: Right, So it came from all that, and they were like,
Speaker 2: that's just the way Boston is. You gotta understand where
Speaker 2: you are and so that and then if you see
Speaker 2: the game they want, they wanted a game.
Speaker 4: Bill fitz knew what was going on.
Speaker 2: He didn't tell us, but he gets us off the
Speaker 2: court before like two minutes before the game was over
Speaker 2: because he knew the storm going on to court. So
Speaker 2: he got all the starters off and then everybel sent
Speaker 2: in the game and then they get off the court.
Speaker 5: The next season, three key players, Mitchell Wiggins, Lewis Lord,
Speaker 5: and John Lucas all get kicked out of the league
Speaker 5: drug John Lucas is my guy too, man, ah Lord,
Speaker 5: what was going on.
Speaker 6: Everybody was just they just get fucked up, fucked the game.
Speaker 4: So John and are good friends. That's my guy, I mean,
Speaker 4: my dude.
Speaker 2: John recruited me so and I announced I was going
Speaker 2: to University of Virginia John and left them because I
Speaker 2: had gone to University of Maryland basketball summer camps with
Speaker 2: John and so Lefty, I played in the in the
Speaker 2: in the director's games and the councilor games. Right, but
Speaker 2: then that was at the camp because that was a recruiter.
Speaker 2: Yall had me down DC and hang out and have
Speaker 2: one to whatever meet with people.
Speaker 4: Come back.
Speaker 2: Playing in the game against lar Boston, Steve Shepherd made
Speaker 2: and all the big boys there, John the whole dale, right,
Speaker 2: So that was cool. And it was also the week
Speaker 2: of my birthday most of the time, so I had
Speaker 2: a birthday party in the University medal and that was fun.
Speaker 4: But John was my dude. And when I get to
Speaker 4: Houston and we get John.
Speaker 2: I had a cousin that was really really good to
Speaker 2: have some drug issues, and John took care of him
Speaker 2: and brought him down there and went back to another
Speaker 2: story for you know, they yea in the passed away.
Speaker 2: But me and John knew each other. So we come
Speaker 2: to we come to the Warriors the Coliseum downtown Oakland, right,
Speaker 2: Bill Fischer, Well, you got John because your good friends,
Speaker 2: you got John. Okay, I get John because he knew
Speaker 2: what was going to happen in go to State. We
Speaker 2: go and that's when John got hit.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Basically, he went out and did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And Bill Fitch, I'm on the bus. He's like, bro,
Speaker 2: if you gotta go get John, gotta go get John.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I go back checked on him and
Speaker 2: he said, I'm coming. So he met us in Seattle
Speaker 2: and that's when all that happened. But John's tough and
Speaker 2: if mine set is tough. And he recovered and I
Speaker 2: told him, I said, man, you fucking coached me, because
Speaker 2: when I went to the forward, I was that in
Speaker 2: twenty five and fifteen or something like that. But guess
Speaker 2: what John had six or seven because he would throw
Speaker 2: a lot right, And so that happened. Then Louis Lloyd happened.
Speaker 2: The Mitchell Wakens happened.
Speaker 4: So but Mitchell played Mitchell dd up magic from inline
Speaker 4: to inline. That's here. I mean, I'm talking about warre
Speaker 4: him out.
Speaker 2: And but you know, but if we had kept their
Speaker 2: crew together, I would rebounding Lowis Lloyd wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: go past that sport.
Speaker 4: He go dunk on everybody.
Speaker 5: That happened into John Luca was blessing disguise because he
Speaker 5: was able to change so many of our lives, big
Speaker 5: time and.
Speaker 6: Youngsters and players lives. That was what happened to him
Speaker 6: out there.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm saying him going through drugs, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But I'm saying him going through that.
Speaker 5: He came to Houston and he really rehabilitated and put
Speaker 5: so much game in all of us. All everybody's growing up,
Speaker 5: everybody that coming through Fundy had his respect.
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying that that he went through made
Speaker 4: him the many is no, No, he went through it,
Speaker 4: but he had to go through that. But he definitely did.
Speaker 2: But we knew when John was not right right, John's
Speaker 2: hyper anyway, you know how John he knew, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: when he start to get quiet, he was the other
Speaker 2: side right, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's that point. But his wife Golden and got
Speaker 4: him do all that, and he helped my.
Speaker 2: Cousin and he build the center that we all know
Speaker 2: and love us Today we're hugging this, that and the other.
Speaker 4: But he's the best assistant coach in the league right now,
Speaker 4: doing good. He's good.
Speaker 6: What changed with David Stern but came to commission Navy.
Speaker 2: You know, so if you see my draft night, it
Speaker 2: was O'Brien and I was the last one that O'Brien
Speaker 2: had really came the first, and David Stern, you know,
Speaker 2: he took the basis of what O'Brien was trying to do,
Speaker 2: and because it was the league was you know, he
Speaker 2: wasn't good for a magic burden. I mean they were
Speaker 2: doing the thing, but it still wouldn't make it as
Speaker 2: much money Teerior rights wasn't good, just another and O'Brien
Speaker 2: took it to where he could.
Speaker 4: But Stern took it to a whole nother level. I
Speaker 4: mean of respecting him.
Speaker 2: I got to know him over the years, but he
Speaker 2: started just seeing the vision and created the plan and
Speaker 2: started having drafted whatever and having players pick, and he
Speaker 2: started online.
Speaker 4: And with the it was the business. It wasn't just
Speaker 4: a game. It was also a business. So he made
Speaker 4: it a business.
Speaker 2: And I mean between what O'Brien did and with it
Speaker 2: the pillars of the game, and then obviously it's like
Speaker 2: it is today. We all wish we could back for
Speaker 2: I didn't want one contract, one year of a contract,
Speaker 2: one contract.
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty seven, you got trade to go to State
Speaker 5: after strength of the strained last ship with a former coach.
Speaker 5: How was it going from Houston Oakland in eighty seven
Speaker 5: because Oakland, I know what Oakland was like, and.
Speaker 6: They said panthers all kinds of I know, it was massive.
Speaker 2: I thought, my my, but then now the worst wife
Speaker 2: was pregnant with my first child, and you know they
Speaker 2: give you forty eight hours to get to the next destination.
Speaker 2: I gotta get her straights first another, and so I
Speaker 2: took like seven and took three days and get her straight.
Speaker 2: And then don Nelson went to Jim Manager.
Speaker 4: That's our guy and the owner.
Speaker 2: He was the owner at the time, Jim Manager and
Speaker 2: part on it with Fitzgerald. Oh wow, we had a
Speaker 2: part of the coach. So I get on the plane
Speaker 2: and now the first game is against the Lakers. I
Speaker 2: gotta go play Kareema and the boys. I get to
Speaker 2: the Oakland College and I'm walking down the tunnel and
Speaker 2: Chris Washburner walking.
Speaker 3: Out like this handcuffs, tell me down one.
Speaker 4: And I knew press because I had to freedom in college.
Speaker 6: Now we're down.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh ship, what happened to him? For the drugs?
Speaker 4: Trying to figure out?
Speaker 2: Right, So we get there, we played the game, he said,
Speaker 2: damn we down one. And then it was the same year,
Speaker 2: so we had like a new Terry tego, you know.
Speaker 2: He was like and then and then the whole shebang.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: Not too long after that, Chris Mullen goes down leave
Speaker 2: the team. I'm like, non, we got one of our
Speaker 2: best players. Where the at But I knew Oakland what
Speaker 2: it was right at that point in time from playing
Speaker 2: with John and whatever. So we regrouped. We had Larry
Speaker 2: Mean and then we had George Carl. So that first
Speaker 2: year was like, oh, I don't want to be here,
Speaker 2: I don't want to play no more. They fired George Carl.
Speaker 2: Don Nelson becomes the coach, so you ain't got no
Speaker 2: beef with the owner the coach, and you're gonna go to.
Speaker 4: Everything. So but but Nell, he's good though.
Speaker 2: He was so he started to you know, the uh,
Speaker 2: lifting people up and putting a new way out of
Speaker 2: him and like they playing three.
Speaker 4: Man game down the bottom, like why what are we doing?
Speaker 4: The new shooting threes?
Speaker 2: And we had fun. But he changed the game. But
Speaker 2: then he got it and then we got Mitch and
Speaker 2: Tim and Mully came back and that started that.
Speaker 4: Whole whole whole thing. But he knew kind of what
Speaker 4: he was doing.
Speaker 2: Then they ended up selling the team to somebody else
Speaker 2: and they got out right, So he was smart thenning
Speaker 2: with the Dallas so the league needed the team.
Speaker 4: They went and saved the team. They bought into it,
Speaker 4: and they made more money selling it to somebody else
Speaker 4: and then they left.
Speaker 5: Do you have any don Nelson stories? We don Nelson
Speaker 5: was our favorite coach with mine. At least he was
Speaker 5: your favorite coach, one of them.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he allowed us to smoke tree in his house.
Speaker 5: That's how cool he was. You got any stories about
Speaker 5: Nelly's good, that's our guy, man. Nelly went to the
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame together.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we got we'll go back to the store.
Speaker 4: You know. He got a little crib and Hawaii wife. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then Big far just come to Hawaii, would just
Speaker 4: hang out.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He would drink with you. Yeah, you know, on the plane,
Speaker 2: do his thing, bite you to his house. Yes, the
Speaker 2: lady was good, but he was he was a player coach, yes,
Speaker 2: and he would try anything to win.
Speaker 4: Yes, but but he was cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know he had his ways. He had his ways.
Speaker 2: Yet to get used to him. But he was probably
Speaker 2: one of the best coaches.
Speaker 6: I had me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, it's good.
Speaker 1: Injuries in the NBA slowed you down, was it? It
Speaker 1: was a major knees majority.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I had left near had a bucking handle tarot
Speaker 2: and my moniscus and back then they just cut it out.
Speaker 4: I should have stayed out for the year and got
Speaker 4: it rebuilt. Whatever. But like, we're just going to the
Speaker 4: Finnel like, I want to.
Speaker 2: Come back and play, and I came back and did it,
Speaker 2: but it gets kept pounding pounding, and chip would come
Speaker 2: out in large and the joint. Then this one happened
Speaker 2: as well. So two operators on one, one on this one.
Speaker 2: And so this has very little miniscus in it just
Speaker 2: has some in it. But he wanted to play and
Speaker 2: technology wedding like it is today. Right, So it happened.
Speaker 2: But I go back to you know, like I look
Speaker 2: at Winby and all these young guys, right, tall is
Speaker 2: a little bit different because your leverage is totally different,
Speaker 2: especially when you're in the post or you're running. And
Speaker 2: Winby's assistant at the friend of Wally Walker, and so
Speaker 2: I talked to her a little bit. I've met him
Speaker 2: Will one day day Will tell him that he needs
Speaker 2: to watch out for X, Y and Z. And I
Speaker 2: knew something was off when he couldn't move his arm
Speaker 2: and I could see it from that standpoint.
Speaker 4: So he texts, but your body's not right. But what
Speaker 4: was going on? I had?
Speaker 2: I didn't train and I looked back trained this hard
Speaker 2: this summer before because agent I had that had. I
Speaker 2: won't say the name, but you know some of the
Speaker 2: names I mentioned in this lovely podcast show. I had
Speaker 2: to go to LA, come to LA and go into
Speaker 2: office and basically fuck people up, really get all my documents,
Speaker 2: to get everything.
Speaker 4: All my stuff was in shambles. So I did all that.
Speaker 2: So I didn't train as hard as I publy should
Speaker 2: have because I had to go chase fucking horses.
Speaker 4: Down and that was I said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened, and so it became even more of
Speaker 2: hate during the season because some players that should.
Speaker 4: Have told us what was going on, we went at
Speaker 4: their ass right, and we had no choice because you
Speaker 4: could tell us what's happening, and everybody was in LA.
Speaker 4: So that happened.
Speaker 2: So I didn't train as hard as I pite should have.
Speaker 2: But Maniscus and the doggons said, well, your body was right,
Speaker 2: but your joints wasn't quite right because of the way
Speaker 2: you had to push in the posts beating on the
Speaker 2: back or you slide and set on foot and trying
Speaker 2: to guard to guard. Right, So like Wemby is like,
Speaker 2: you're not ready for that pounding yet, right, And fortunately
Speaker 2: that they play open basketball. Yeah, but still that age
Speaker 2: too and if you know, ain't no go bare and
Speaker 2: play if you want, but you're gonna be at there garden.
Speaker 5: Somebody pop did a good job of bringing the big
Speaker 5: kid from Duke in so when we can be afford
Speaker 5: more like he was talking about.
Speaker 4: But you got to do that. Yeah, you know some
Speaker 4: people and the young kid of the day, everybody's not
Speaker 4: ready for that grind.
Speaker 6: Very fine.
Speaker 3: What did it mean to you to get inducted into
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame amount of time?
Speaker 2: It's you know, you don't play the being the whole thing.
Speaker 2: You don't understand it until you get there. I mean
Speaker 2: like seven different Hall of Fames from high school to
Speaker 2: Virginia or whatever. And Jerry Clando demand that made that happen.
Speaker 2: He changed it because the Hall of Fame needed some
Speaker 2: structure and he needs to be more guarnent, so made
Speaker 2: that structure. But I knew the politics over it as well.
Speaker 2: So the first player to get to have two nominations
Speaker 2: one for college and one from the NBA the same
Speaker 2: year me and Chris Mullen, he got both of them,
Speaker 2: only got one. Then the next year I got the
Speaker 2: whole thing. So I started to understand the politics at
Speaker 2: that point in time to change the game. But all
Speaker 2: my information trophies of my mother and father solf in
Speaker 2: case to the wall, I have none of the still
Speaker 2: still wow, and so it needs more to them than
Speaker 2: it doesn't because my mom loved it and Chase it,
Speaker 2: which is more important to me that my mom and
Speaker 2: her family enjoyed that. So it's a great honor. I'm
Speaker 2: going back this year, going back just to see what's
Speaker 2: going on and understanding the game as well.
Speaker 3: Vernon Maxwell, friend of the program.
Speaker 4: Speaking mout don't say his name, Candy Man and.
Speaker 1: He sid and he had a story about how you
Speaker 1: see you guys see each other in jail.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that.
Speaker 6: Story?
Speaker 3: They just seen each other in jail?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, doubt no, no, got no. So yeah we did.
Speaker 4: Max did something. I forget what it was, no telling,
Speaker 4: no telling what he did it.
Speaker 2: Max was mad Max for a reason, not even Dom
Speaker 2: because he you know, he played it. But whatever he did,
Speaker 2: whatever we saw, I sold an issue that I deal with.
Speaker 2: And remember the Michael Vick stories. Yeah whatever, But the
Speaker 2: same prosecutor came after me at that point. And all
Speaker 2: that did was for my dad signed the name because
Speaker 2: he didn't signed to buy a car and I put
Speaker 2: it in the car dealership and they got.
Speaker 4: Said mail fraud, mail fraud.
Speaker 6: Was like, man, what you what you're doing there?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah, but you know you I can't
Speaker 2: tell the whole thing bound by Yeah. I was there
Speaker 2: for a minute, yeah, not the whole I mean like
Speaker 2: two hours, yeah, you know, and then went home and
Speaker 2: did my thing right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was mil fraud and ce Max yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: We knew he wasn't getting out what he was in there.
Speaker 7: But to hoole you overnight, you got to see the
Speaker 7: judge for you.
Speaker 1: I got a game tomorrow, no matter where you'll be there.
Speaker 1: Time quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let
Speaker 1: us know in your opinion, top five big men of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 2: Chamblain, Oh, fifty three points, thirty rebounds, quadriple double. Everybody
Speaker 2: disrespects well, he'd have played in the era. And and
Speaker 2: I love shock like this in shock and we'll go
Speaker 2: at it. What was strong as fuck?
Speaker 3: And I asked athletic too, Oh my god, I'm him here.
Speaker 2: And I first got in the league and see him
Speaker 2: on the beach in Malibille with his short zone and
Speaker 2: boxes on and they set up in the sunbabe and ball.
Speaker 2: He pulled me aside to me in the house. He
Speaker 2: said he didn't like Creamim that much, but he said,
Speaker 2: I want you to kill everybody. You play that mentality,
Speaker 2: I mean big enough Toronto And he was.
Speaker 4: Cool, right, So he's one of the iconic players to me.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I used to watch him play a
Speaker 2: little bit on black and white TV back in the day.
Speaker 2: But he's hard, but I would love to see him
Speaker 2: a shot go at that point the most and you
Speaker 2: guys probably agree, the most iconic.
Speaker 4: They always say who's the goat?
Speaker 2: I don't think the goat to somebody, that somebody plays it,
Speaker 2: but they transitioned the game that everybody wanted to be like.
Speaker 4: Who is that.
Speaker 2: She's a bigger, bigger guard. He's a small forward. His
Speaker 2: name is doctor Jay. I want to be like doctor Jay.
Speaker 2: Mike wanted to be like Doctor j Everybody wanted to
Speaker 2: be like Jeous. And you can go back to any
Speaker 2: film you want to and see who's dunking on somebody
Speaker 2: in traffic to Joyous.
Speaker 4: So the league should change the logo to Julious.
Speaker 5: I would I would love that he got he got
Speaker 5: a sick logo. He got a crazy sick logo. But everybody,
Speaker 5: I mean the league was bad. Julius played with the
Speaker 5: Virginia Squires. I used to go watch you can see
Speaker 5: it on TV and watch in Virginia.
Speaker 2: But he was the bad boy. I love him to death,
Speaker 2: you know. I texted him every now and then, have
Speaker 2: your birthday whatever. We see a Joey hugg But he's
Speaker 2: the bad boy. And then if you're going by championships,
Speaker 2: you gotta my boy, Bill Russell Bill So Bill sipped
Speaker 2: me down in college. But then the communicator cast, so
Speaker 2: he came.
Speaker 4: I met him.
Speaker 2: He sent me down and gave me a whole lot
Speaker 2: of dollars, a whole lot like Boston. And every time
Speaker 2: I see him he called.
Speaker 6: Me Ralph Fee.
Speaker 2: And when he was a lot of part of his life,
Speaker 2: he had got inducted into the Hall of Fame again
Speaker 2: for a coaching whatever it be.
Speaker 4: So his wife bought him from Seattle all the way
Speaker 4: to the Hall of Fame. He went from the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame north.
Speaker 2: He stopped by my parents house, stayed with us for
Speaker 2: two days, sitting in the room and had to laugh.
Speaker 2: Went to see Dominique and Georgia and went back. So
Speaker 2: we talked all the time. Miss him. Touch his wife
Speaker 2: every now and then but he's got to be from
Speaker 2: a championship standpoint, he transitioned the game. So those two
Speaker 2: are iconic.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: And I don't think you can have to go you
Speaker 4: have errors. You know, that area was these five.
Speaker 2: It's there with these five, that five, and so everybody
Speaker 2: from Lebron to Kobe to Michael through small forwards, God
Speaker 2: of respect, Joria servant. I mean, Mike did his thing.
Speaker 2: You know, if Straightway would have been in you know
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different ballgame, right yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, and and and I could have gone
Speaker 2: with David Falk and those guys as well. They wanted
Speaker 2: me to go, but Nike wasn't Nike, and Mike made Nike. Basically,
Speaker 2: I love what he's doing, right from that's that we
Speaker 2: all do. But and and he had a different gear.
Speaker 4: We all know that he got it from watching Georgia Shore.
Speaker 2: Well he didn't make his ninth grade team stuff like that, right,
Speaker 2: So those two, you know, you got you know, the
Speaker 2: magics of the world.
Speaker 4: And I think there don't get enough respect. That was
Speaker 4: a nasty fucker. Yes, And I mean and and and
Speaker 4: when we go to those tournaments whenever younger, they didn't
Speaker 4: want to play him. Ray McCord he was back there.
Speaker 4: Rave course is better than I there, but he Rave
Speaker 4: Record did and couldn't take us there. I mean he was,
Speaker 4: he was treacherous.
Speaker 2: A guy named Quentin Daily and out there would wear
Speaker 2: him out and couldn't. Had some drug issues as well,
Speaker 2: but out there get some ways more. Respective was one
Speaker 2: of the better players, absolutely, I think, and Bird as well.
Speaker 2: So there's that kind of guys. But my five would
Speaker 2: be I would put it well in. I put Bill
Speaker 2: Russell on the on the power Forward. I put Joyous there.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to go with Urban and to
Speaker 2: go with Michael. And I love Lebron what he does. Uh,
Speaker 2: he has transitioned the new generation as far as how
Speaker 2: to be a pro. Yes, yes, and so I don't
Speaker 2: they can say, oh, he's scored this man points. I
Speaker 2: don't care about the points rebounds, but they'll be in
Speaker 2: the league that long. Yeah, and taking his body that
Speaker 2: way and there's no bummishes. Yes, wife and kids nothing.
Speaker 2: And I hate like Steve Nate Smith, all these people,
Speaker 2: all this they talked about him and Brownie. I want
Speaker 2: the other son to go for all of them, the two.
Speaker 2: If she can't all of them? Why not, because that's
Speaker 2: that's different. And when you're different, people don't respect you.
Speaker 6: People had on that because they can't do it for
Speaker 6: their kids.
Speaker 4: That's the only reason you.
Speaker 5: Can do it for your kids. You'll be patting them
Speaker 5: on the back to give me your son. Don't get
Speaker 5: in the league, off the show. It ain't your child.
Speaker 5: So it's a problem.
Speaker 4: But we know other people in this world do something
Speaker 4: for the nobody, says Jack.
Speaker 3: All the time, owners and the teams over all kinds.
Speaker 6: George Carlson playing NBA, that's it. Kobe karl who right,
Speaker 6: he was one of the man.
Speaker 5: No easy, okay, here you go to score any points?
Speaker 5: I'm not sure on accident one album you could listen
Speaker 5: to our repeat.
Speaker 2: So I had I had a routine, you know, go
Speaker 2: to shoot around, you come home, you have your meal.
Speaker 4: So back then it was like low jazz and music.
Speaker 2: Ah and you know obviously the earth winding fires and
Speaker 2: Frankie bevery Man whatever. But the most iconic one that
Speaker 2: I used to have was Kirk Whaling And so we
Speaker 2: would go in Houston to the west end of the
Speaker 2: top me came whatever.
Speaker 4: We had our own private.
Speaker 2: Spot, right and Kirk would just begin it wow and
Speaker 2: so he jazz got But I had all this stuff
Speaker 2: and Cole Smar would play that songs right whenever. Then
Speaker 2: that street's about to calm down. When the game started.
Speaker 2: You know, nobody had boom boxing. Remember walking in you
Speaker 2: had to have whatever cassette player. So being from Virginia,
Speaker 2: you go to trouble Funk and you get your hip hop,
Speaker 2: pump it up before the game and go from there.
Speaker 2: So that was that whole era of just built from one.
Speaker 2: But then I had to calm back down and go
Speaker 2: back to jazz. So between you know, all the jazz
Speaker 2: folks and Kurt and had a whole album collection. You
Speaker 2: know it couldn't buy couldn't buy clothes because they had them,
Speaker 2: would to fit you, how to get them made, had
Speaker 2: shoes playing shoes from that standpoint, but music was one
Speaker 2: thing and that got me, you know, kept me up
Speaker 2: to the game time. And I would wear the headphones
Speaker 2: before the game and get my routine and I would
Speaker 2: be trouble funking.
Speaker 3: Get the rank these three in your opinion, m J
Speaker 3: lebron Kobe, you.
Speaker 4: Know, because I played against Mjay College and pro.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the number one. But what I like
Speaker 2: about MJ was he you know, he could bounce back.
Speaker 2: He was a student of the game. He had a
Speaker 2: he built a mindset that no.
Speaker 4: One has ever done pretty much right, and he wanted
Speaker 4: to win.
Speaker 2: And he was putting the situation in the league against
Speaker 2: the bad boys and what he's trying to kill him
Speaker 2: against Baltimore's try to kill him. And you see the
Speaker 2: one against Monty where he's doing his nas on bird
Speaker 2: and whatever and he's fading. Even then the albumalks toward
Speaker 2: sixty points the mindset. If you talk about Monset, he's
Speaker 2: got the best one. He's got maybe the best game,
Speaker 2: but he got the best one because if he didn't
Speaker 2: have the mindset, and Kobe followed that, you know, and
Speaker 2: I rank him in no order because of their their career, right,
Speaker 2: and Lebron would be next. And everybody said if Lebron
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same mindset, well he didn't have to
Speaker 2: because he's trogging anybody else. He can play with another
Speaker 2: five years. He canna stay in shade. I'm shooting jumpers six,
Speaker 2: but I won't beat anybody else with him. You know,
Speaker 2: he got to be physical, you know, he gotta be
Speaker 2: fed I was, so. I hope he goes back to
Speaker 2: Cleveland win the championship there.
Speaker 3: Yesterday they got a squad.
Speaker 4: You go back and walking home, win the championship. That's
Speaker 4: gonna help his legacy. And he keep losing.
Speaker 2: Childhood crush messed up. Oh you know, I didn't they
Speaker 2: I didn't have a high school girlfriend. I don't like
Speaker 2: that from last time.
Speaker 4: But I had god named ed Exton with a friend
Speaker 4: of mine, Billy Exteon's son.
Speaker 2: And I was in New York. I was in I'm
Speaker 2: playing the Knicks. You know, you gotta go there, you
Speaker 2: gotta play. He wants to take me the night before
Speaker 2: to a Whitney Houston concert. Whitney Houston concert.
Speaker 4: I didn't go. Oh the next couple of days, she
Speaker 4: sent me all this stuff parapherneria, you know, Whitney din Yeah,
Speaker 4: in the house, and I had like.
Speaker 2: The stand up thing and I would put it in
Speaker 2: the front window like somebody at home. And I met
Speaker 2: her later on, but I think, okay, great, but that
Speaker 2: is probably I want.
Speaker 3: To slip up.
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, fill the fire mess, go back
Speaker 4: and look at the pictures of her. She's beautiful. Okay.
Speaker 5: She evolved Okay, yeah, she definitely evolved.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 6: I agree that little time, she wasn't always with it.
Speaker 3: Which wi which the funniest teammates you ever had? And
Speaker 3: what team wasn't one man?
Speaker 2: Rodney had had a good camraderie. We joked around a
Speaker 2: little bit in a bad situation with the Warrior Steve Offer.
Speaker 2: Really now, he wouldn't think he's funny, but he was
Speaker 2: because he knew he wasn't fast, he could shoot.
Speaker 4: He was there and I'm just lucky to be in
Speaker 4: the league.
Speaker 2: But he joked all them and we sit on the plane,
Speaker 2: we talked, shiped each other like big fun I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna play much to night anyway, so I'm gonna do
Speaker 2: all this tuff.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a coach. He knew it gonna be
Speaker 4: a coach. So he was probably one of the most
Speaker 4: funny if.
Speaker 6: Guys fall in that category.
Speaker 2: Max wasn't on the on the team, said he wasn't
Speaker 2: on that team at that point in time. But but
Speaker 2: but Max fild in Houston. I'm done with the Warriors. Okay,
Speaker 2: Max for school. Max didn't jump at that time. No
Speaker 2: big fell come on, get some of that. And you
Speaker 2: had that dirty hook jump up.
Speaker 4: He would make it.
Speaker 2: And then Bill Switch was the coach, but he taught
Speaker 2: me a lot as well. But Max kept you laughing.
Speaker 2: All that's you do. That was the Houston and the
Speaker 2: sea was there. But Max, I'll call him when I
Speaker 2: leave her, right, like, Okay, your name came up.
Speaker 4: But he's he's but he's solid. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 4: ain't no, no no, And he'll go down. He'll go
Speaker 4: down with I love you, go down with you.
Speaker 5: One guess you would like to see on our show,
Speaker 5: but you have to help us get your answer on
Speaker 5: the show.
Speaker 4: One guest, excuse me, I had.
Speaker 6: Mad this time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you got that over three hundred shows,
Speaker 2: so you had a lot of guests. You had to
Speaker 2: like the Kareem No, That brother's got a lot of history,
Speaker 2: a lot of knowledge, and.
Speaker 6: We both Muslim, so I want to meet him and
Speaker 6: talk to hi.
Speaker 4: Yeah. We go to a family feud.
Speaker 2: And Magic was supposed to go with Kareem and Magic said,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. So I happened to be in
Speaker 2: La and they called me, what you want to play
Speaker 2: against Kareem in the family feud? Sure, So they had
Speaker 2: two weeks call my kids, let's go, go, go, and
Speaker 2: we go. Steve Harvey's running a little bit late. So
Speaker 2: we in the green room.
Speaker 4: And I don't call him Capital, call him capital this reason.
Speaker 2: He's sitting in the corner with the blanket over his head,
Speaker 2: not talking to nobody, being kareem right, my family's away.
Speaker 4: Whatever we do that boom boom all your head.
Speaker 2: And I get a question and kind of if you
Speaker 2: go watch the show, get a question. And they asked,
Speaker 2: like what animal that bathed itself? And you know this
Speaker 2: first plas you know, family, Steve up there freaking joking
Speaker 2: with you, and like I said, a fish and they
Speaker 2: fucking fish.
Speaker 4: Like a cat? Or do heth? And whatever?
Speaker 6: So everybody laugh.
Speaker 2: Whatever, So we down and then my kids come back
Speaker 2: and then we beat him and when the money we
Speaker 2: get the money in your city, in the hospital, we
Speaker 2: walk him back into the air to leave, and he
Speaker 2: pulled miss that big fellow, big fellow, two seven foot
Speaker 2: dude in a bathroom no bigger than a cracker box.
Speaker 4: Oh, I need you to uh give the money to
Speaker 4: my charity, Like fuck you man, I'm not it's going
Speaker 4: to my thing. I'm not going.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody plays you get five grand, but then
Speaker 2: you get another twenty five grand hit like I'm not
Speaker 2: doing all that, but he.
Speaker 4: Should be, you know, he should be. He got stories.
Speaker 6: I'll give you.
Speaker 3: My favorite part. I'll be down one.
Speaker 4: Ralph Man.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the amazing career success, the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: life in general.
Speaker 4: Man, Thank you.
Speaker 6: He was just cool cool. I knew it.
Speaker 4: Thank You'll love this.
Speaker 1: Thank You's around with you and all the smoke productions
Speaker 1: in the Draft Kings Network.
Speaker 3: See y'all next week. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm