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Speaker 1: We'll go back all the smoke Pump Galla twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five and Jack, we gotta go a Texas More Time

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Speaker 1: All Star Hall of Famer, one of the greatest college

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Speaker 1: basketball players of all time, someone who was way before

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Speaker 1: his time as far as his skill set, and Spencer

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Speaker 1: Haywood said, we got to get this man to not

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Speaker 1: what he's going to do today. Man, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Ralph Samford, h appreciate you, man, thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Your game at seven four was something that hadn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: been seen, but you didn't really get to utilize it

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Speaker 1: as much as you would have got to use it

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Speaker 1: in today's basketball. But how did with your size and

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Speaker 1: skill set, how did you develop into some called you

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Speaker 1: like a three man in a five body.

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Speaker 2: You know when you're growing up in six seven in

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Speaker 2: ninth grade, I mean go back, I hated basketball initially.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean because you only score sixteen points in a game.

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Speaker 2: I had sixteen points in the first quarter.

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Speaker 3: So it give me this rule. Talking about this.

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Speaker 2: You know, and you know you play and you're tall,

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Speaker 2: and you know you got your little coordinated and so

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Speaker 2: when I was coming up, that's the way the roots were.

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Speaker 2: So I played baseball and that was a really good pitcher.

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Speaker 2: But as I grew, I through side arm and the

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Speaker 2: kid in the head. You know, so you got to

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Speaker 2: go to first base. My mother like, okay, great, catch

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Speaker 2: the ball with my ungloved hand, like you fool, you

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Speaker 2: like it's the most boring and shit ever done. And

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Speaker 2: so I got up of baseball, got the basketball, and

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Speaker 2: then start to develop the game at that point in time,

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Speaker 2: and then could never get the ball. But I had

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Speaker 2: a lot of cousins and people that played in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: We played there every day in the neighborhood, so you know,

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Speaker 2: you know how to get you're young, and you get older, cousins,

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Speaker 2: you can't play now with the big boys and you're

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Speaker 2: playing the last game. The freaking lights go out and

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Speaker 2: you got to go home. So you know, we did

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Speaker 2: all that. So but I played every day. I couldn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know how to swim. You don't just go

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Speaker 4: to pool sit with my aunt.

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Speaker 2: Most y'all don't I can get out the water.

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Speaker 4: I ain't getting the ocean. Ocean.

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Speaker 2: I got able to stand up when I get tired, exactly,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even to play with that. And I don't

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Speaker 4: I can run in it. It was all good.

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Speaker 2: But we did all that where we played every day,

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Speaker 2: and then you got in the game. There was no au.

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Speaker 2: There was five star and go to five star. They

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Speaker 2: playing outside the food not good. I'm not gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: I got food and I got a good competition. Well,

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Speaker 2: we would play, play, play, and then when I got

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Speaker 2: in the in the ninth grade, my coach put me

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Speaker 2: on JV to develop it and they moved me up

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year and we went to

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Speaker 2: the state championship. And so with that, I could never

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Speaker 2: get the ball. So you dribble it, get it, drive

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Speaker 2: it down, turn it over. So he made me in

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Speaker 2: practice every day against the fastest guy there. If I

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Speaker 2: could dribble and practice, I could dribble in the game.

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Speaker 2: That's where it started.

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Speaker 3: You played in the traditional game.

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Speaker 1: We're back to the basket centers, but with the game

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Speaker 1: now with stretch fives, and pace and space. Do you

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Speaker 1: think your game would have been more acclimented for this

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Speaker 4: Probably any? I mean I love the era we played

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Speaker 2: In the day there, I came out in middle school,

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Speaker 2: and today's era, I came out middle school, I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: But when you come in and the league was.

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Speaker 2: Tough, you know, and you had to have the power

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety pounds. So coming out high school, college,

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Speaker 2: I need to go to college and get my way, huh.

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Speaker 2: And I did that about my second year. But I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't ready to play artists Gilmore. I wouldn't ready to

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Speaker 2: play you know, the bad boy the boys, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean one of my good friends, bat Marie Lucas.

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Speaker 2: He taught me a whole lot about the game, and

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Speaker 2: he was a sweet guy, right, but he would play.

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Speaker 2: We played against the Lakers, he played on the team.

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Speaker 2: He comes to center court, he'd take his freaking elbow

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Speaker 2: we want to fight right there? And then we got

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Speaker 2: to really get a camaraderie over the years, and he said,

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Speaker 2: but he taught me a lot about that. Artists was

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Speaker 2: would pick me up. He would pick a kem up,

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Speaker 4: And what he wanted to do. That's crazy, the strongest.

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Speaker 2: Human effort, like your freaking hand, right. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you learn from those guys, and so we stayed in

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's not like that today.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a tremendous gift and opportunity being seven four. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the lifestyle you got to figure

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Speaker 4: Okay, getting clothes was hard. Shoe size was hard.

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Speaker 2: Every year you twelve, you got to twelve, you got

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Speaker 2: until seventeen. Shirts was okay, but pants and shorts, you know,

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Speaker 2: high school because made us wear like pole of shirts

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Speaker 2: we would coordinated. It only had like two or three

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Speaker 2: sure I had everything I needed. My dad as well.

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Speaker 2: But you got to adjust to doorways, beds growing up,

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Speaker 2: great uncles. We had a room and had a regular bed,

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Speaker 4: Okay, so but my uncles.

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Speaker 2: Came and made the frame longer, but it was a

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Speaker 5: Harrisonburg Va upbringing, DMV talk about your bringing.

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Speaker 2: It was fun. So in our family had a farm.

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Speaker 2: It's been a hundred years in the family. So going

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Speaker 2: uncles were in World War Two and the Vietnam War.

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Speaker 2: Twelve siblings and my mom is one of those twelve.

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Speaker 2: So that was fun. Family reunions and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But the neighborhood, you know, and it was the hood,

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Speaker 2: but it was the neighborhood. I had cousins on every corner.

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Speaker 2: They could play that, we worked together, whatever, and so

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Speaker 2: we created the hood and nobody came. No Caucasian people

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Speaker 2: would come through the hood back then. They were coming

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Speaker 2: had to get out the hood. Right, So it was

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Speaker 2: just that way. But we protected everybody, and nobody came

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Speaker 2: and messed with it, right, Not big cousins and all that,

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Speaker 2: for sure. But coming up was fun in Harrisonburg because

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Speaker 2: the family and friends, high school coaches, and we could

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Speaker 2: go anywhere, Charlottesville, Richmond, we could travel. But that was

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Speaker 2: the best time of my life, really growing up because everybody

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Speaker 2: respected everybody, but we competed. Family is still farming now.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing some farming stuff now. We're still farming, but

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Speaker 2: but my uncle is a little older and you can't

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Speaker 4: So we kind of rented out.

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Speaker 2: But I'm doing some farm stuff in the agricultural world,

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Speaker 2: creating the fun and doing some stuff with the General's

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Speaker 2: farming and hydro product farming as well. So we got

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Speaker 2: to do something body of food here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're getting shipp from overseas.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what it is. You got to go

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Speaker 2: to the store. You got whole foods. Okay, great, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: But then you go to a local markets in the hood,

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Speaker 2: I mean where that's coming from.

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Speaker 1: But whole food there's something about about whole foods with

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Speaker 1: some of their stuff wasn't as whole as they claimed

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Speaker 1: it to be, No, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they had some I wanted visitors and there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they got some rodents in there for sure. Arguably the

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Speaker 5: most heavily recruited college basketball prospect of your generation appeared

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Speaker 5: on the cover of Sports Illustrated six times in four years,

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Speaker 5: which is bananas. When did you start getting recruited and

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Speaker 5: was they offering you that bag?

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Speaker 6: Back then?

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a bag looking like what the trash bag.

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Speaker 6: I like that, like the track, I like the trash bag.

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Speaker 6: I like the Chad bag.

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Speaker 4: I like the chat big bag.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's a big bag, Hemp.

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Speaker 2: But my mom and dad took care of that. So

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Speaker 2: I know a lot more now than I did back then.

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Speaker 4: Right, So Sports oil Street was cool.

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't expect to do that, You just

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Speaker 2: it just happens in that era.

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Speaker 3: How were you not to cut you off? Howard you

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Speaker 3: the first time you're on the cover of Sports Illustrating.

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Speaker 2: Twenty six times twenty after my freshman year college. Next year,

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Speaker 2: freshman year, we go to n I T. We beat

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Speaker 2: You're in LV with Sid Green and those guys as well.

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Speaker 2: We beat Kept McHale and Randy Bruin, those guys. If

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Speaker 2: I came out that year, the year Red arc Back

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Speaker 2: came to the house with a million dollars in the briefcase,

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Speaker 2: put it on the kitchen table and said, you can

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Speaker 2: play with the Mighty Boats and Celtics if you come

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Speaker 2: to out this year.

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Speaker 4: Kevin McHale went it, going.

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Speaker 1: To the Yeah, you would have changed the course of

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Speaker 2: Yeah that if it had changed the next year man

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Speaker 2: Isaiah and there was the first two high school athletes

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Speaker 2: to make a Pan American Olympic team.

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Speaker 4: And Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 2: So you go back and look at Bob Knight was

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Speaker 2: the coach and Ca Sheffey was an assistant.

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Speaker 4: Coach, and so the story is there.

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Speaker 6: I go early and.

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Speaker 2: Work out a train and g Sheffey was teaching me

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Speaker 2: how to do the Bob Knight system.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Bob Knight gets in into the practice and he called

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Speaker 2: me out as a young kid. If you can't make yours,

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Speaker 2: can't make it from the baseline and baseline and back

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Speaker 2: in ten seconds, I'm senior, ass home. I made it

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Speaker 2: in seven. Oh shit, I run. I made it in seven.

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Speaker 2: So he tried to leave you an example. But go

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Speaker 2: back in history you can see it. We did in

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Speaker 2: we know how the league is, right, how the packet

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Speaker 3: Celtics, How Lebron and one click Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: It's a chess game with the league, right, they know

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Speaker 1: So you had from you, I mean probably earlier, but

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Speaker 4: You just so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the bridge canes opened right, and there's one hundred

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Speaker 5: Your era of basketball didn't have au so it was

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Speaker 4: There was fiveter would I never played, never played bombs Stars.

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Speaker 2: go to sign in and there's no Ralph Sampson on

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Speaker 2: All the names were just messed up, right, So check in.

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Speaker 4: So you want to go take a dump, It's like,

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Speaker 4: No aggredition, no nothing. So that's the first one.

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Speaker 2: But the likes of the team were there, James Worthy

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Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on whole backs in high school

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Speaker 2: He came out of high school and I went I

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Speaker 4: So eighteen going to my nineteenth birthday.

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Speaker 5: You believe in this six year senior ship. Now MONTHU

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Speaker 4: At ju Co rule they changed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah at four years that come back and go to

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Speaker 6: That's crazy everybody. And your team got kids.

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Speaker 5: And retirement already and they losing.

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Speaker 4: In the c A tournament.

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Speaker 6: That's crazy, bro.

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Speaker 2: But I mean this the system broken. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I feel sorry for the high school kid. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: My son's going through.

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Speaker 4: It right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's his name. Platino came out and said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not recruiting. High school kids are not going to

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Speaker 1: I don't blame the coaches because their jobs are on

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Speaker 4: Us think that it's okay, yeah, making that money, but

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Speaker 5: Funy giving guys out of college that play sports another opportunity.

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Speaker 5: You know, they got certain guys in jail that got

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Speaker 5: second chance. I would rather give those guy guys an opportunity.

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Speaker 5: It's somebody forty years old, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just think the Cats ain't gonna go pro anyway.

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Speaker 1: I think the I think the cap should be twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I think twenty four. I mean that's what six years

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Speaker 1: removed from high school. If you can't figure it out

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Speaker 1: as far as sports goes, go back and get your degree.

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Speaker 3: And do whatever you want you want to do.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I just think college the point of

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Speaker 3: And that's not what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You know, the high school coaches are not like they

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Speaker 2: They're not teaching. So you got gods out there to

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Speaker 2: They paid the freight, their their chaveel bill was crazy,

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Speaker 2: But they want those kids to come over and play

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now we got to get kids to go over

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Speaker 2: But the money is not that great, right, So it's

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Speaker 5: Did you go down under? Make Sydney my foot? The

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Speaker 3: It wasn't right.

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Speaker 1: ACC rook of the Year three times, you see player

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Speaker 1: First Team All American in Virginia, Kyleege.

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Speaker 3: But you played in in in the heyday of the

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Speaker 1: Jordan, Perkins and Worthy or were at North Carolina. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of other names, but take us

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Speaker 2: They were the pro player at least two on every

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Speaker 4: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and the worst team was Clemson, but they

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Speaker 2: but they were they were on the bottom. And then

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Speaker 2: you go to Maryland with the great level. You had

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Speaker 2: Albert King, Buck Williams, Ernie Graham and the boys up

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Speaker 3: Were you before Limbys I played against you one year Oka.

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Speaker 3: What was he like?

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Speaker 2: They had to depleted team, but you could see he

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Speaker 2: had it. Yeah, he had that special thing and you

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Speaker 2: I mean we played college against each other. Obviously we

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Speaker 2: in his mode.

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00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm in my mode. We're dunk and worthy.

441
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm doing lobs and the whole bring the

442
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,640
Speaker 2: ball to court. So we we up and I look

443
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 2: up and we're down and were playing defense and Michael

444
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,800
Speaker 2: was now in his Michael mode and defensive mode. So

445
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 2: he goes and they need to steal, needed something to

446
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,680
Speaker 2: change the game. He steals the ball from my point

447
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 2: guard and goes down dunks and does want them or whatever,

448
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 2: and then they win the game.

449
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 4: So he was in that mode.

450
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 2: But you know, only when they ever stopped Michael from

451
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 2: scoring Dean Smith and he could have scored more. But mean,

452
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 2: you got Worthy, you got a squad, Jimmy Black, they

453
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 2: had top ten guys we could play, right, he had

454
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 2: that rule. Yeah, and you couldn't know he didn't want

455
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 2: anybody for twenty points. But if you go to North Carolina,

456
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 2: the story about you have so Charlie Scott, good friend

457
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: with the first black player in the a SEC and

458
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 2: he got disrespected down there whatever, But Dean Smith took

459
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 2: care of him. So that history was there and everybody

460
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 2: saw that. Michael saw it, Worthy saw it, and they

461
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 2: all gravitated that cause he broke the cold in the

462
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 2: in the southern belt.

463
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 4: Right, Maryland was Maryland.

464
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: They players John luc Lynnell Moore of those guys, right,

465
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: but Charlie Scott's the one that broke that that North

466
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: Carolina cold, and he he should get a lot of

467
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 2: credit for that truth.

468
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 1: About you getting death threats, some dorm incidents. I mean

469
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,080
Speaker 1: you faced a lot of racism in mind speaking on

470
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: any of that.

471
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know it until after the fact. Coach

472
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: Dave Odham years later set me down. He was coaching

473
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: in South Carolina and we had a long conversations about

474
00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 2: what was going on. And so when year I was

475
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: a senior and go back, even when there was stretching

476
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: still they all the mail that came to UVA. We

477
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: had a lady secretary to handle all the mail. I

478
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: never saw it. They handled it. MS Holland did it.

479
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: They would sign stuff sent back and.

480
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 4: So I could do what I need.

481
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 2: So they was reading all the mail back then, and

482
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: so one asid that was happening a couple of different things.

483
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: So I lived on the lawn my senior year. Both

484
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 2: be prestigious, but no bathroom. You gotta run down the hall,

485
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 2: go down whatever. But you live on Thomas Jeffers lawn.

486
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: So that's cool. People didn't want a black man to

487
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 2: live on the lawn.

488
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: Explain what the lawna is for those that don't know.

489
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 4: The lawn is.

490
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 2: When Thomas Jefferson built the school, he wanted to see

491
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: his university. So he has Manticello, which sits on the

492
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: mountain where his main house was. He had the toun

493
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: done so he could see the space. Now even today

494
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: airspace planes came from came still back today you can't

495
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,880
Speaker 2: build anything higher than the lawn. So there was these

496
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 2: row houses and they were small rooms that had a

497
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 2: sink in and a bed and fireplace, and that was

498
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: then in the desk, so Edgar Allen poll, I mean

499
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 2: all the historical guys lived on the lawn.

500
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 4: And it's still some rooms there that's still old. You

501
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 4: could see. So I got awarded. I have to write

502
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 4: a paper.

503
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: Stuff I got on the lawn from that stamps Press, Tigers,

504
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: Ralph Sampson. On the lawn, I would change my number

505
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: number six to number nine and put number nine to

506
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: number six because I would get somebody knocking on the

507
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: door all the time, somebody, I guess in the back

508
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 2: of the room. Whatever got rached, and so Coach Allen said,

509
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: you gotta get out because they might try to putting

510
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: that on you. So we moved out of the city.

511
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: And then I get there and somebody try gets tracked.

512
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 2: You talk about we talked about the bag of so

513
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: my car, and my mom still is.

514
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 4: Going to deny it today.

515
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: But I had a Conversion van is what I drove

516
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: for my second year on and you know, I had

517
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: the seats in and stuff like that, and it had

518
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: stereo system in it, and they start stealing the stereo

519
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: system out.

520
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 4: You know.

521
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: So we got a alarm on or whatever, and God

522
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: blessed so one of the famous doctors there say okay,

523
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: we're gonna stop that. He gave me a three fifty

524
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: seven magnum and taught me how to shoot and said,

525
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 2: if you hear somebody coming in and the seraph for

526
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: there if somebody coming, and get your card to shoot

527
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: down through the window and call us. Fortunately I went

528
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: to sleep the night they did it. And so it

529
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: was a lot of that in the end that I

530
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: didn't know. But after my senior year I started to

531
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: understand a little bit more. So it was a lot

532
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: of letters and hate mail from different schools that I

533
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: didn't know. And so one year that happened, I stayed

534
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: in Coach Challenge basement and lived in his basement.

535
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 4: But I didn't know what was going on at that point.

536
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: Not even your Greatness could stop the hate crazy. When

537
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: did the Puma deal come about for you go back

538
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: to the shoe dye.

539
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 4: So Clyde Fraser the first basketball player.

540
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: That had a shoot yeah, and then Puma in nineteen

541
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: seventy six had the three guys that won the relay

542
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: race and they put the hand up.

543
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: Let's started the shoe stuff as well.

544
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: So I wore Pro Kids, and Pro Kids was going

545
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: by stride right at that point in time. So coming

546
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: into college are like, yeah, I want to wear Pro Kids,

547
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: and we had the Adidas contract at Uba, and I

548
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: didn't want to wear a didas lived too hard.

549
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: So I wear Pro Kids.

550
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: And by the time I got out of the college,

551
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: my my Pro Kid deal was more than my NBA

552
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: contract real time five. That's because I got shared in

553
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: the straw right strive right were the kid's shoes, and everybody, oh,

554
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: you got an equity in that. But I didn't know

555
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: that Pro Kids was getting ready to go the business

556
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: and Stridwright got but so got a little money paid,

557
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like it should have been right. So

558
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: then I'm scrambling. But Puma, a god named Quious Government

559
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: has lived here. It was recruiting me hard like.

560
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: Anywhere pooma wear poom poom pooma. So it's I'm in

561
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: the league.

562
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: I got my pro kids three weeks before the first

563
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: game against Allers give More. I didn't have a shoe,

564
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: so kids came in, I mean, Pooma came in.

565
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: They took the pro.

566
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: Kids shoe, sent it to Germany, and I had a

567
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: prototype in two weeks. It was the same shoe I

568
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 2: wore sky, but it didn't have any in the sole

569
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: cushion in it. So it was my first game. I

570
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: had six press socks on until they got the shoot right.

571
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: So that started the shoe game. And so we went

572
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: to that level and I'm actually still I mean a

573
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: lifetime contract with him.

574
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: Now this is what he said. They didn't have a

575
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: fucking soul in them.

576
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: You know that's something you gotta take the sole out

577
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: because your feet is too big and it's.

578
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 2: Like it was like a's crazy and I had orthotics

579
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: but it's still tied up. But they went over, took

580
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: the same shoe, re engineered it and brought it back

581
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: within three weeks.

582
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 5: When you got to the league, did any big man

583
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 5: try to bully every day?

584
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: Every day? That was just part of the game back then,

585
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 2: every part yeah. I mean if you not even get

586
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: jass kids exactly exactly. I mean, think about it, Dark Dawkins,

587
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: He's just gonna try to jump Organ dunk on you.

588
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: Artists thunder Artists wasn't mean I mean artists. And I

589
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: was always that artist, the sweetest guy ever. But but

590
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: it was cambaraderie back then because the guy that felt

591
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: there really were the NBA players. They wanted to help

592
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: the young ones. So Artist would play against me and say,

593
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: big felt, get a little lower. I mean in a

594
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: freaking game, get a little lower. It'll only be pushed

595
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: you out that much in the course of the game.

596
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: And I say, to day would give m a hug,

597
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 2: and he's one of my favorites, right, but everybody would

598
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: do that, Maurice Lucas, Artists, you know, Moses, everybody would

599
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: do that, like okay, let's let's play and let's get

600
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: this done.

601
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: Can you speak to Moses Malone's greatness.

602
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: You know, he's from Virginia Petersburg and we always are

603
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: saying God bless him, you know four four or five

604
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: four four, you know, So he was like that, and

605
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: I mean he just was. You know, he went to

606
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Maryland for about two weeks he said, I can't do

607
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 2: this ship. I could go to the league, make it happen.

608
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 2: And he deliberately would throw the ball against the glass

609
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: and get a couple of stats. Yeah, I mean just

610
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: throw it out.

611
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: Get it.

612
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: But he was, you know, and and Moses hated Kareem.

613
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: M I'm gonna just wipe his ass out because he

614
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: was physical. And so when they won the championship, I was,

615
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: I just decided to stay in school. I was in Florida.

616
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: I drew from Florida back and Moses invite me to

617
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: the to the games because Virginia boys and said, I'm

618
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: gonna kick his ass. But you know that's just moldings though.

619
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: But Rebounder to Nation really good guy, great guy, I mean, one.

620
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 5: Of the best, right And so I came up I

621
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: met him. He was still playing after yard Star playing.

622
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 5: He was still coming to Funday in Houston all day

623
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 5: and still playing every game.

624
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: You know, but you know he taught it, came along

625
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: on everything, you know, yeah, yeah, everything at Funday. So

626
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: Kim comes to Funday, comes to mothers tells the story.

627
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: Kim come to here Niversity of Houston, you know, came

628
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: with a soccer player. Uh, he gets to Houston and

629
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: he's got his African gear own and so and so

630
00:27:59,359 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: he gave.

631
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: Me a card.

632
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 2: Houston and it was convertible, and he didn't know how

633
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: to put the convertible top up. Now he put it,

634
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: goes down and it starts to rain, so the converbile

635
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: gets all wet and most that took him by side.

636
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: But they played at Fundy every day, every day, and

637
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: as you know, history, funny every it was a better

638
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: game than Fundy.

639
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 6: It was a real game. I'm trying to I'll be

640
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 6: trying to tell people that.

641
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: If you lost, you might have get back to the corn. No,

642
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,479
Speaker 2: you might not get up to the next week exactly. But

643
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: everybody played there.

644
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: I played. Everybody played there.

645
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: I mean everybody would come to Houston and play at

646
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: Funday and then all you know, everybody remember the Hill, Yes,

647
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: I remember the everybody ran it. Everybody you running Hill,

648
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: work out John Lucas and you go play it.

649
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: Funny, it was all John Lucas was Ahad and all that. Yeah.

650
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 6: But I was watching y'all playing Funday when I couldn't play.

651
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 5: When I was young, I was going and just watching

652
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 5: before I can actually get on exactly.

653
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: But when you hang out all day.

654
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Rookie of the Year, All Star Rookie season one game,

655
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 5: you had thirteen blocks as a rookie.

656
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 6: Coming into the rookie year, you was just confident, ready

657
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 6: to go.

658
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, rookie year, you know, you kind of get

659
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: new to what's happening physicality. Yeah, you know. So so

660
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: I get drafted one. Rynie McKay craig get drafted three

661
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: to Sacramento.

662
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: Did he go to Sacramento?

663
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: No, we went to Houston together. Oh yeah, we had

664
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: still found it to somebody in the middle. So we

665
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: leave New York on private jets two, flying to Houston,

666
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: his Simon one on one. We get to Houston, there's

667
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: twenty thousand people in the arena, the walk one's there.

668
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: We get there and this is pretty cool to go

669
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: to work.

670
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: Let's play because I played Ronnie in Louisville every year

671
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, like you know, had Super

672
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Bowl Sunday and we beat him in whatever. But he said,

673
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: well you beat if we know, we go go to

674
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: the final four because you made us mad and he said,

675
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: that's the same shit today. But we went there and

676
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: then we go out, you know, go out, guess, and

677
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: then we go to the club hangout. We see Calwell Jones,

678
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: Major Jones, Allen Level and then and they're drinking and

679
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: smoking cigarettes. We're like, what the fuck we got ourselves into.

680
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: We're not using right and so we're like, okay, we're

681
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: in trouble. So that first year we had to adjust

682
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: to the lifestyle, lifestyle of the league. And then you

683
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: know the sweets. I mean, Colboy Jones taught me a lot.

684
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: But tall guys, slim like singing like me. That would

685
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: be a case of beer beside his locker. After every game.

686
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: He would drink the case, the rehydration case a case.

687
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: They say beer is good for rehydration. No, I'm not

688
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: a case for real. Yeah before the arena for enough arena.

689
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: But sweet guy. But we had fun that first year

690
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: and we try to change it the next year. Yeah,

691
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Calvin Murphy taught me a lot.

692
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 4: That's my guy too.

693
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: You're all talking about Okay, Like, watch Calvin he's playing

694
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: I played, he played in in in pre season. I'm

695
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: sitting on the bench, Major Jones sitting there. Watch Calvin

696
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: still the ball means still a boy. He run right

697
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: beside the guy. Colvim with tripped the guy still ball

698
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: go down and play, and then he would go at

699
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Bill Fitch because Bill Fitch actually made him retire. Guy nasty,

700
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: I mean, and and and the big boys knew the

701
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: cold would fight you. But you learned a lot from

702
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: him and Elvin Hayes and all that. So it was

703
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: it was fun.

704
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it just seems like and obviously we got

705
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: a little taste of it too, But I feel like

706
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: what the NBA is missing today is veterans that really

707
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: cared and helped and and you know, helped you avoid

708
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: pitfalls and gave you the game, like you said, giving

709
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: you the game during the game. And I feel like

710
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: the league desperately misses just another presence they needed every that.

711
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I don't care to see them that because the

712
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: young ones don't.

713
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: Know no clue even today. Yeah, so they.

714
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: Would do that, and they would be I think a

715
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: better team. We got lucky.

716
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

717
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: The following year, was it? The following year? Number one pick?

718
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 6: Again?

719
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: You guys get her King? What's that like? You guys

720
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: build the twin towers. MJ was in that draft too,

721
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: and he could have got MJ. You guys went with

722
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: the King, so you got another big on your side.

723
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: How did that relationship develop in.

724
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: My rookie year and made a statement in the news

725
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: scraper like you know, you gotta just play so and

726
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: so and then you know, and like I said, Elvin

727
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: Hayes looked after me, called Will Jones.

728
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: So we planning in.

729
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: Kansas City and we got together started then and big

730
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: Ee was like, but he needed like so many more

731
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: minutes to get like one hundred thousand.

732
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: Dollars and we all know it bonus.

733
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so they came in there, Look, you know

734
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: we gotta get we gotta get his money.

735
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: So I'm playing. But if you planned and then play,

736
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: get get the minutes.

737
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: So first quarters, yeah, you know that's why we took

738
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: care of you. So come out of the game, Bill Fittz,

739
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: whatever he played, gets his money. So we did that,

740
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: but we knew at that point in time we do

741
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: get the number one pick. And at that point so

742
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: they came to me and said, we're thinking about this

743
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: twin tower thing and we want to keep on going

744
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: to play here with you. I said, cool, because I

745
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: can go to forward. I don't have to get that

746
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: beating right.

747
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 6: Your natural position anyway, all out there and do my things.

748
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: I loved it right from that standpoint. We had.

749
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: We had a crew, I mean myself a keen. Remember

750
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: Louis Lloyd yep, yep, Lewis Lloyd all now void, and

751
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: we did our video Mitchell Wiggins. We had Craig Elo

752
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: was our thirteenth man on twelve man team.

753
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: Really he couldn't get Norma.

754
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: Craig like gang too, Yeah, gang, I.

755
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: Mean were you playing hard? He played hard?

756
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

757
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Well, we had Ryan McCrae, Robbie Reid. We was missing

758
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: the guard and everybody knows the story. Norman Nixon was

759
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: on the Clippers and we was getting ready to getting

760
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: norm and they didn't pull the trigger and me Norman Deba,

761
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: I met him today like I had Norman.

762
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 4: At my house. My mom was there. My mom cooked

763
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 4: Norman some.

764
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: Fried chicken and they were like whatever. And every time

765
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: I go to the Clipper game and DeBie like, I

766
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: want some fried chicken.

767
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: You know.

768
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: I'm running the point for y'all had been around. Yeah,

769
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: it's because.

770
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: He was ready, you know, revanded with the Clippers and

771
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: the Lakers, and he had a chip on his shoulder.

772
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: What was your relationship like with the king off the court?

773
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: We knew of each other. We bonded like the first

774
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: couple of months, go on lunch, hanging out a little

775
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: bit on the road. We looked out to each other

776
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: in different rooms and we made sure we had that coming.

777
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: And Bill Fitch started that we may have played against

778
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: each other practice twice, you know, but we had to

779
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: build that bond to play. So we built when we

780
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: started playing against Kareem, so they know everybody want to

781
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: kill Kareem, and so they would put him on Kareem

782
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: and me on Rambas and somebody else, and I said, okay,

783
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: you hold him up and I'll blocked the school.

784
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 4: And you know everybody wants to block the shot. We

785
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 4: got it.

786
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: A couple of times weren't getting considered because he was

787
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: always killing people, but we built it that way, and

788
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: we knew that if I'm out, he's back, and he

789
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: knew if I'm back, he's out. I got his back.

790
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: So that started that kind of chat. We had it

791
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: down for a while.

792
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 5: You and Elijah One, Russ, Tim Doncan, and David Robinson

793
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: Twins Win.

794
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: David Robins still having nightmare, he said, he's still.

795
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 6: That's how I got my guy up, David. But guess

796
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 6: what he's still yeah.

797
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: He said he still has.

798
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: That had been a hell of a matchup too, because

799
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 3: they came in and teno.

800
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: This is another thing.

801
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 4: That's how serious the Fundy workouts was.

802
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pop son Tim and Day down there did he

803
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: I was, That's when I was there.

804
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 5: He son us all down there for the season started,

805
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 5: son Us all down there. That's how good it was.

806
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 5: Bro Tony Parker Ganoda. We all went for four days.

807
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: That Fundy is nothing like that. Nineteen eighty six playoffs.

808
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 5: You and the King be the number one seed defending

809
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 5: champions Lakers in five games in.

810
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: The Western Conference Finals. What was that feeling like?

811
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: It was?

812
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: It's crazy? You know we had I mean we were

813
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 4: prime ready to go.

814
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: We had he was in a growing series with Denver

815
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: and Alex Ingers and they run and jumped, They got

816
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: you in that officitude trying to kill you. And so

817
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: we grew to say it with them went seven games.

818
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: You had the game win to close up the series.

819
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: Well that was in the Lakers coming to the Lakers.

820
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: So were there and fall We won with Elo Jim Peterson.

821
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: We won with the crew that we had right and

822
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: we go we went. Now we're going to the Lakers.

823
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: So we got one day to prepare and we play

824
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: the Lakers. So that one day, cool girt they drill us.

825
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: I mean, he said, well, this shit gonna be easy.

826
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: We had a meeting, he said, okay, that's one game

827
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: we got. We have some time to regroup. We made

828
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: a commitment like we're gonna come back and we're gonna

829
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna kill these dudes. Right from that standpoint, So

830
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: we did, came back, won the second game, go to

831
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: Houston and we're gonna went down there anyway. From that standpoint,

832
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: got to go back to the Lakers. And then you

833
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: watched the video for the game hit the winning shot.

834
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: Were getting a little altercation, yes, yes, indeed altercation more

835
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: reason the boys whatever, so uh a king and rabbits

836
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: got into it.

837
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: So you look at it.

838
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: We all over the over the bench, get off of it,

839
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: and then I got mad. From that standpoint, they kicked

840
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: it came out and so it was on me and

841
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: Robert and the cruise. So we just said let's go.

842
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: And then we got got to that point and right

843
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 2: and the Craig will say, well, you got a lucky shot,

844
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: but I made the pass. If you look at the

845
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: Cream played behind me and sit in front, because you

846
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: know if you played behind me, I'm gonna live up anyway.

847
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: So you know you don't have you in practice. You

848
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: play I want to hit that one shot. We do

849
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 4: it all the time. It's not that practice, that same shot,

850
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: but we had the mentality to do that and we

851
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: wanted and to goes in.

852
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: But that's an incredible shot, though it's over the shoulder.

853
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: Was it over the shoulder or was it?

854
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 6: You know?

855
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: I knew you know you set up posing, you sit up,

856
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 4: you sit up at the box.

857
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: Let's know where you are at the box. And once

858
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: you do it, I'll go in. I'll drive Cream down

859
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: to the whole. I'm above the box. And you got

860
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: your position right now. You got them deep.

861
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: And to lose a series that way, bro.

862
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: In l a here, Well you know I told Magic said,

863
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: well you know were the one you go get beating

864
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: in Houston anyway, so you didn't.

865
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: Have to travel, say some time, you know they can't

866
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: a little early heard my boy too, like I still

867
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: hate you because they had won what one or two

868
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: before that? They went too in a row before that,

869
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: A one one okay, so they went back, they went

870
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: to after that, okay two.

871
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: After that they got mad and got in shape and

872
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: you know it said we need to get this down

873
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: because they knew we were coming.

874
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: I ended up losing the Labrard, the Celtians and six

875
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 5: in the finals. He was part of a learnary fight

876
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 5: sixty six one guy. He said, which one you can

877
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 5: show that one?

878
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: Okay?

879
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 6: Good? Jerry's what's how you saying?

880
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 4: Name? Jerry Sitch there gets smacked in them out.

881
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 6: The Celis fans wanted blood after that, though, that's.

882
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 4: Fine, and they tried to get it it. So we

883
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 4: so we're playing and I got like fifteen and seven

884
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: in the first quarter.

885
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can so like okay and that and

886
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: again it's like you're gonna beat this. You're gonna have

887
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: to beat this ol because you're not gonna beat me

888
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: on my home court. So you know, I got that

889
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: point and and Larry had a good game. He had

890
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: a lucky shot against Rody McCrae. We should have won

891
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 2: that game and but we'd have been like even, but.

892
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 4: We didn't do that. So I'm in the post up.

893
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: And I'm picking in and for Roddy and Robert and

894
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: Robert come off, you know, and you pin down, pick

895
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: down now trying to.

896
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: Get the ball. Well, them two little fuckers would come back.

897
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: And hit you in the nuts after they run past

898
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: you from damn d.

899
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: Man like okay, ship one more time and I'm jumping

900
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: and dunking and running and whatever and one too many times,

901
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 2: you know, So it just kind of exploded.

902
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: And the fighting part.

903
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: If you look at that fight, you know, my my

904
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: at the end of the at the end of the

905
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: bench right there, you'll see it. My two sisters came

906
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: off the stands. He's sitting on the side of there.

907
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 6: Was ready to go.

908
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're not gonna take you know. That was it was.

909
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: It was fun, but you know, you gotta fight sometimes.

910
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 6: Was known to be dirty though. Yeah, he's known to

911
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 6: be dirty, bro, But you know that's a draft.

912
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean you start guess some of your the on

913
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: some TV against leg and they you know, go at

914
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: him as hard as well. And Bill Walton he was there.

915
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just the kind of the way it

916
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: kind of went down. It was cool to fight back then.

917
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 6: It wasn't a million dollars fine and suspended for the season,

918
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 6: none of that.

919
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: He played the next game. You didn't get suspended.

920
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I got Yeah, I get it.

921
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 4: So it did get so I got threats.

922
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so you can them who tackled you Bill?

923
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: You see, can't you saw came in there? His part

924
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: just Dennis Johnson.

925
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 5: Was that Bill Walton that that Okay, he was he

926
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: was he was trying to make the piece. So he

927
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 5: was trying to get some who Bill.

928
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: No, he wouldn't. He wasn't. He wasn't wanna make I

929
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: mean he's making at Yeah, he had one another that.

930
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 6: Rest in peace, the big Bill.

931
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: But he would he would hit you and do your

932
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 4: thing with dirty little.

933
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 6: Was he good?

934
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: Was he good? Bill?

935
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 6: Yeah?

936
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: Ye had the game. He was just strong. Yeah, you know,

937
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 4: and it's older year or whatever.

938
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 6: I like Bill.

939
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a good relationship after the fact. Yeah,

940
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: but you know I didn't want to play against I don't.

941
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: Want to kill him.

942
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

943
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 3: See that's back when there, I mean in the league

944
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: has shifted, dramastic draft nice.

945
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, keep it up there.

946
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: That was just off the real bang. Rah wasn't playing

947
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: no games.

948
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 4: Around. You gotta quick look at look at.

949
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 6: You got it?

950
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: You know, then you get kicked out.

951
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rock, but you had to have when you

952
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: came in the game. You had to have that type

953
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: of fire, right, you had to you get walked over.

954
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: And get walked over and beat up and doing it

955
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 4: like that too much. It's just hard.

956
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, hit a couple of times like yeah, enough enough.

957
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: But then we go to Boston, hm, and so corn

958
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: Bread he actually hit me to what I did his podcast,

959
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: you know, a number of years ago. But I get

960
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: to Boston. While we get there, and then I had

961
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: death threats from that game, and so I bought in

962
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: my two way coaches from UVA, both of them like

963
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and weird chefs behind us. We quartered

964
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: one end of the of the hotel and I had

965
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: them in between my room. But then at the game,

966
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: as you see it in Boston, they had a noose

967
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: around my neck and a kind of stuffed the version

968
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: maybe with number and fifty and we're gonna hang him

969
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: and took it over the bottom of the arena.

970
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: And so me and Cornbrack said, that's kind of strange.

971
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: Right, So it came from all that, and they were like,

972
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: that's just the way Boston is. You gotta understand where

973
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: you are and so that and then if you see

974
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: the game they want, they wanted a game.

975
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: Bill fitz knew what was going on.

976
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: He didn't tell us, but he gets us off the

977
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: court before like two minutes before the game was over

978
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: because he knew the storm going on to court. So

979
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: he got all the starters off and then everybel sent

980
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: in the game and then they get off the court.

981
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 5: The next season, three key players, Mitchell Wiggins, Lewis Lord,

982
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 5: and John Lucas all get kicked out of the league

983
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 5: drug John Lucas is my guy too, man, ah Lord,

984
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: what was going on.

985
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 6: Everybody was just they just get fucked up, fucked the game.

986
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 4: So John and are good friends. That's my guy, I mean,

987
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: my dude.

988
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: John recruited me so and I announced I was going

989
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: to University of Virginia John and left them because I

990
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 2: had gone to University of Maryland basketball summer camps with

991
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: John and so Lefty, I played in the in the

992
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: in the director's games and the councilor games. Right, but

993
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: then that was at the camp because that was a recruiter.

994
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: Yall had me down DC and hang out and have

995
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: one to whatever meet with people.

996
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: Come back.

997
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: Playing in the game against lar Boston, Steve Shepherd made

998
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: and all the big boys there, John the whole dale, right,

999
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: So that was cool. And it was also the week

1000
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: of my birthday most of the time, so I had

1001
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: a birthday party in the University medal and that was fun.

1002
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: But John was my dude. And when I get to

1003
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: Houston and we get John.

1004
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: I had a cousin that was really really good to

1005
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: have some drug issues, and John took care of him

1006
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: and brought him down there and went back to another

1007
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: story for you know, they yea in the passed away.

1008
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: But me and John knew each other. So we come

1009
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: to we come to the Warriors the Coliseum downtown Oakland, right,

1010
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: Bill Fischer, Well, you got John because your good friends,

1011
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: you got John. Okay, I get John because he knew

1012
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: what was going to happen in go to State. We

1013
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: go and that's when John got hit.

1014
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 4: You know.

1015
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: Basically, he went out and did what he wanted to do.

1016
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: And Bill Fitch, I'm on the bus. He's like, bro,

1017
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: if you gotta go get John, gotta go get John.

1018
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I go back checked on him and

1019
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: he said, I'm coming. So he met us in Seattle

1020
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: and that's when all that happened. But John's tough and

1021
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: if mine set is tough. And he recovered and I

1022
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: told him, I said, man, you fucking coached me, because

1023
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: when I went to the forward, I was that in

1024
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: twenty five and fifteen or something like that. But guess

1025
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: what John had six or seven because he would throw

1026
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 2: a lot right, And so that happened. Then Louis Lloyd happened.

1027
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: The Mitchell Wakens happened.

1028
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 4: So but Mitchell played Mitchell dd up magic from inline

1029
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 4: to inline. That's here. I mean, I'm talking about warre

1030
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: him out.

1031
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: And but you know, but if we had kept their

1032
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: crew together, I would rebounding Lowis Lloyd wouldn't have to

1033
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: go past that sport.

1034
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: He go dunk on everybody.

1035
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 5: That happened into John Luca was blessing disguise because he

1036
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 5: was able to change so many of our lives, big

1037
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 5: time and.

1038
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 6: Youngsters and players lives. That was what happened to him

1039
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 6: out there.

1040
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: You know, I'm saying him going through drugs, you know

1041
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

1042
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 6: But I'm saying him going through that.

1043
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 5: He came to Houston and he really rehabilitated and put

1044
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 5: so much game in all of us. All everybody's growing up,

1045
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 5: everybody that coming through Fundy had his respect.

1046
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying that that he went through made

1047
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 4: him the many is no, No, he went through it,

1048
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: but he had to go through that. But he definitely did.

1049
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: But we knew when John was not right right, John's

1050
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: hyper anyway, you know how John he knew, Yeah, but

1051
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: when he start to get quiet, he was the other

1052
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: side right, you know.

1053
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: So that's that point. But his wife Golden and got

1054
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 4: him do all that, and he helped my.

1055
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: Cousin and he build the center that we all know

1056
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: and love us Today we're hugging this, that and the other.

1057
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 4: But he's the best assistant coach in the league right now,

1058
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 4: doing good. He's good.

1059
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 6: What changed with David Stern but came to commission Navy.

1060
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: You know, so if you see my draft night, it

1061
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: was O'Brien and I was the last one that O'Brien

1062
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: had really came the first, and David Stern, you know,

1063
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: he took the basis of what O'Brien was trying to do,

1064
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: and because it was the league was you know, he

1065
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: wasn't good for a magic burden. I mean they were

1066
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: doing the thing, but it still wouldn't make it as

1067
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: much money Teerior rights wasn't good, just another and O'Brien

1068
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: took it to where he could.

1069
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 4: But Stern took it to a whole nother level. I

1070
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: mean of respecting him.

1071
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: I got to know him over the years, but he

1072
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: started just seeing the vision and created the plan and

1073
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: started having drafted whatever and having players pick, and he

1074
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: started online.

1075
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: And with the it was the business. It wasn't just

1076
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 4: a game. It was also a business. So he made

1077
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 4: it a business.

1078
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: And I mean between what O'Brien did and with it

1079
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: the pillars of the game, and then obviously it's like

1080
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: it is today. We all wish we could back for

1081
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: I didn't want one contract, one year of a contract,

1082
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: one contract.

1083
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: Nineteen eighty seven, you got trade to go to State

1084
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 5: after strength of the strained last ship with a former coach.

1085
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 5: How was it going from Houston Oakland in eighty seven

1086
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 5: because Oakland, I know what Oakland was like, and.

1087
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 6: They said panthers all kinds of I know, it was massive.

1088
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: I thought, my my, but then now the worst wife

1089
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: was pregnant with my first child, and you know they

1090
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: give you forty eight hours to get to the next destination.

1091
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: I gotta get her straights first another, and so I

1092
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: took like seven and took three days and get her straight.

1093
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: And then don Nelson went to Jim Manager.

1094
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: That's our guy and the owner.

1095
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: He was the owner at the time, Jim Manager and

1096
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: part on it with Fitzgerald. Oh wow, we had a

1097
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: part of the coach. So I get on the plane

1098
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: and now the first game is against the Lakers. I

1099
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: gotta go play Kareema and the boys. I get to

1100
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: the Oakland College and I'm walking down the tunnel and

1101
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: Chris Washburner walking.

1102
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: Out like this handcuffs, tell me down one.

1103
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 4: And I knew press because I had to freedom in college.

1104
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 6: Now we're down.

1105
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh ship, what happened to him? For the drugs?

1106
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: Trying to figure out?

1107
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: Right, So we get there, we played the game, he said,

1108
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: damn we down one. And then it was the same year,

1109
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: so we had like a new Terry tego, you know.

1110
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: He was like and then and then the whole shebang.

1111
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 6: Right.

1112
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 2: Not too long after that, Chris Mullen goes down leave

1113
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: the team. I'm like, non, we got one of our

1114
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: best players. Where the at But I knew Oakland what

1115
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: it was right at that point in time from playing

1116
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: with John and whatever. So we regrouped. We had Larry

1117
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Mean and then we had George Carl. So that first

1118
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: year was like, oh, I don't want to be here,

1119
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to play no more. They fired George Carl.

1120
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: Don Nelson becomes the coach, so you ain't got no

1121
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: beef with the owner the coach, and you're gonna go to.

1122
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: Everything. So but but Nell, he's good though.

1123
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: He was so he started to you know, the uh,

1124
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: lifting people up and putting a new way out of

1125
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: him and like they playing three.

1126
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: Man game down the bottom, like why what are we doing?

1127
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: The new shooting threes?

1128
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: And we had fun. But he changed the game. But

1129
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: then he got it and then we got Mitch and

1130
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: Tim and Mully came back and that started that.

1131
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 4: Whole whole whole thing. But he knew kind of what

1132
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 4: he was doing.

1133
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: Then they ended up selling the team to somebody else

1134
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: and they got out right, So he was smart thenning

1135
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: with the Dallas so the league needed the team.

1136
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: They went and saved the team. They bought into it,

1137
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: and they made more money selling it to somebody else

1138
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: and then they left.

1139
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 5: Do you have any don Nelson stories? We don Nelson

1140
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 5: was our favorite coach with mine. At least he was

1141
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 5: your favorite coach, one of them.

1142
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 4: Whatever.

1143
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he allowed us to smoke tree in his house.

1144
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: That's how cool he was. You got any stories about

1145
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: Nelly's good, that's our guy, man. Nelly went to the

1146
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame together.

1147
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 6: Nice.

1148
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we got we'll go back to the store.

1149
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 4: You know. He got a little crib and Hawaii wife. Yeah,

1150
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 4: and then Big far just come to Hawaii, would just

1151
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 4: hang out.

1152
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1153
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: He would drink with you. Yeah, you know, on the plane,

1154
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: do his thing, bite you to his house. Yes, the

1155
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: lady was good, but he was he was a player coach, yes,

1156
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: and he would try anything to win.

1157
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 4: Yes, but but he was cool. Yeah.

1158
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: And you know he had his ways. He had his ways.

1159
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: Yet to get used to him. But he was probably

1160
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: one of the best coaches.

1161
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 6: I had me too.

1162
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, it's good.

1163
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: Injuries in the NBA slowed you down, was it? It

1164
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: was a major knees majority.

1165
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1166
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: So I had left near had a bucking handle tarot

1167
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: and my moniscus and back then they just cut it out.

1168
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 4: I should have stayed out for the year and got

1169
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: it rebuilt. Whatever. But like, we're just going to the

1170
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: Finnel like, I want to.

1171
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: Come back and play, and I came back and did it,

1172
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: but it gets kept pounding pounding, and chip would come

1173
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 2: out in large and the joint. Then this one happened

1174
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: as well. So two operators on one, one on this one.

1175
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: And so this has very little miniscus in it just

1176
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: has some in it. But he wanted to play and

1177
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: technology wedding like it is today. Right, So it happened.

1178
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 2: But I go back to you know, like I look

1179
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: at Winby and all these young guys, right, tall is

1180
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: a little bit different because your leverage is totally different,

1181
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: especially when you're in the post or you're running. And

1182
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Winby's assistant at the friend of Wally Walker, and so

1183
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: I talked to her a little bit. I've met him

1184
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: Will one day day Will tell him that he needs

1185
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: to watch out for X, Y and Z. And I

1186
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: knew something was off when he couldn't move his arm

1187
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: and I could see it from that standpoint.

1188
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: So he texts, but your body's not right. But what

1189
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 4: was going on? I had?

1190
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: I didn't train and I looked back trained this hard

1191
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: this summer before because agent I had that had. I

1192
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: won't say the name, but you know some of the

1193
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: names I mentioned in this lovely podcast show. I had

1194
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: to go to LA, come to LA and go into

1195
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: office and basically fuck people up, really get all my documents,

1196
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: to get everything.

1197
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 4: All my stuff was in shambles. So I did all that.

1198
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 2: So I didn't train as hard as I publy should

1199
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 2: have because I had to go chase fucking horses.

1200
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 4: Down and that was I said.

1201
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that happened, and so it became even more of

1202
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: hate during the season because some players that should.

1203
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 4: Have told us what was going on, we went at

1204
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 4: their ass right, and we had no choice because you

1205
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 4: could tell us what's happening, and everybody was in LA.

1206
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 4: So that happened.

1207
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: So I didn't train as hard as I pite should have.

1208
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: But Maniscus and the doggons said, well, your body was right,

1209
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: but your joints wasn't quite right because of the way

1210
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: you had to push in the posts beating on the

1211
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: back or you slide and set on foot and trying

1212
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: to guard to guard. Right, So like Wemby is like,

1213
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: you're not ready for that pounding yet, right, And fortunately

1214
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: that they play open basketball. Yeah, but still that age

1215
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: too and if you know, ain't no go bare and

1216
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: play if you want, but you're gonna be at there garden.

1217
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 5: Somebody pop did a good job of bringing the big

1218
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: kid from Duke in so when we can be afford

1219
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 5: more like he was talking about.

1220
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: But you got to do that. Yeah, you know some

1221
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 4: people and the young kid of the day, everybody's not

1222
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 4: ready for that grind.

1223
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 6: Very fine.

1224
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 3: What did it mean to you to get inducted into

1225
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame amount of time?

1226
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: It's you know, you don't play the being the whole thing.

1227
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: You don't understand it until you get there. I mean

1228
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: like seven different Hall of Fames from high school to

1229
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 2: Virginia or whatever. And Jerry Clando demand that made that happen.

1230
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: He changed it because the Hall of Fame needed some

1231
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: structure and he needs to be more guarnent, so made

1232
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: that structure. But I knew the politics over it as well.

1233
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: So the first player to get to have two nominations

1234
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 2: one for college and one from the NBA the same

1235
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: year me and Chris Mullen, he got both of them,

1236
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: only got one. Then the next year I got the

1237
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: whole thing. So I started to understand the politics at

1238
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: that point in time to change the game. But all

1239
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: my information trophies of my mother and father solf in

1240
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: case to the wall, I have none of the still

1241
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: still wow, and so it needs more to them than

1242
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: it doesn't because my mom loved it and Chase it,

1243
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: which is more important to me that my mom and

1244
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: her family enjoyed that. So it's a great honor. I'm

1245
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: going back this year, going back just to see what's

1246
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 2: going on and understanding the game as well.

1247
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: Vernon Maxwell, friend of the program.

1248
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: Speaking mout don't say his name, Candy Man and.

1249
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: He sid and he had a story about how you

1250
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: see you guys see each other in jail.

1251
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 4: Do you remember that.

1252
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 6: Story?

1253
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 3: They just seen each other in jail?

1254
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, doubt no, no, got no. So yeah we did.

1255
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 4: Max did something. I forget what it was, no telling,

1256
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: no telling what he did it.

1257
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: Max was mad Max for a reason, not even Dom

1258
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 2: because he you know, he played it. But whatever he did,

1259
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: whatever we saw, I sold an issue that I deal with.

1260
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: And remember the Michael Vick stories. Yeah whatever, But the

1261
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: same prosecutor came after me at that point. And all

1262
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: that did was for my dad signed the name because

1263
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 2: he didn't signed to buy a car and I put

1264
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: it in the car dealership and they got.

1265
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 4: Said mail fraud, mail fraud.

1266
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 6: Was like, man, what you what you're doing there?

1267
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah, but you know you I can't

1268
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: tell the whole thing bound by Yeah. I was there

1269
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: for a minute, yeah, not the whole I mean like

1270
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: two hours, yeah, you know, and then went home and

1271
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: did my thing right.

1272
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it was mil fraud and ce Max yeah yeah, yeah.

1273
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 7: We knew he wasn't getting out what he was in there.

1274
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 7: But to hoole you overnight, you got to see the

1275
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 7: judge for you.

1276
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: I got a game tomorrow, no matter where you'll be there.

1277
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Time quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let

1278
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: us know in your opinion, top five big men of

1279
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: all time.

1280
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: Chamblain, Oh, fifty three points, thirty rebounds, quadriple double. Everybody

1281
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: disrespects well, he'd have played in the era. And and

1282
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: I love shock like this in shock and we'll go

1283
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: at it. What was strong as fuck?

1284
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 3: And I asked athletic too, Oh my god, I'm him here.

1285
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: And I first got in the league and see him

1286
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: on the beach in Malibille with his short zone and

1287
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: boxes on and they set up in the sunbabe and ball.

1288
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: He pulled me aside to me in the house. He

1289
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: said he didn't like Creamim that much, but he said,

1290
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: I want you to kill everybody. You play that mentality,

1291
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean big enough Toronto And he was.

1292
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 4: Cool, right, So he's one of the iconic players to me.

1293
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I used to watch him play a

1294
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 2: little bit on black and white TV back in the day.

1295
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: But he's hard, but I would love to see him

1296
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: a shot go at that point the most and you

1297
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: guys probably agree, the most iconic.

1298
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 4: They always say who's the goat?

1299
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: I don't think the goat to somebody, that somebody plays it,

1300
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: but they transitioned the game that everybody wanted to be like.

1301
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 4: Who is that.

1302
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: She's a bigger, bigger guard. He's a small forward. His

1303
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: name is doctor Jay. I want to be like doctor Jay.

1304
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 2: Mike wanted to be like Doctor j Everybody wanted to

1305
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: be like Jeous. And you can go back to any

1306
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: film you want to and see who's dunking on somebody

1307
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: in traffic to Joyous.

1308
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 4: So the league should change the logo to Julious.

1309
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 5: I would I would love that he got he got

1310
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 5: a sick logo. He got a crazy sick logo. But everybody,

1311
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 5: I mean the league was bad. Julius played with the

1312
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 5: Virginia Squires. I used to go watch you can see

1313
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: it on TV and watch in Virginia.

1314
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: But he was the bad boy. I love him to death,

1315
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: you know. I texted him every now and then, have

1316
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: your birthday whatever. We see a Joey hugg But he's

1317
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: the bad boy. And then if you're going by championships,

1318
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: you gotta my boy, Bill Russell Bill So Bill sipped

1319
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: me down in college. But then the communicator cast, so

1320
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: he came.

1321
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 4: I met him.

1322
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: He sent me down and gave me a whole lot

1323
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: of dollars, a whole lot like Boston. And every time

1324
00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 2: I see him he called.

1325
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 6: Me Ralph Fee.

1326
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: And when he was a lot of part of his life,

1327
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: he had got inducted into the Hall of Fame again

1328
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 2: for a coaching whatever it be.

1329
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: So his wife bought him from Seattle all the way

1330
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: to the Hall of Fame. He went from the Hall

1331
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 4: of Fame north.

1332
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: He stopped by my parents house, stayed with us for

1333
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: two days, sitting in the room and had to laugh.

1334
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: Went to see Dominique and Georgia and went back. So

1335
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: we talked all the time. Miss him. Touch his wife

1336
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: every now and then but he's got to be from

1337
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 2: a championship standpoint, he transitioned the game. So those two

1338
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: are iconic.

1339
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 6: Uh.

1340
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: And I don't think you can have to go you

1341
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 4: have errors. You know, that area was these five.

1342
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: It's there with these five, that five, and so everybody

1343
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: from Lebron to Kobe to Michael through small forwards, God

1344
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: of respect, Joria servant. I mean, Mike did his thing.

1345
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: You know, if Straightway would have been in you know

1346
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different ballgame, right yeah, yeah, right,

1347
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: And you know, and and and I could have gone

1348
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: with David Falk and those guys as well. They wanted

1349
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: me to go, but Nike wasn't Nike, and Mike made Nike. Basically,

1350
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: I love what he's doing, right from that's that we

1351
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: all do. But and and he had a different gear.

1352
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 4: We all know that he got it from watching Georgia Shore.

1353
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 2: Well he didn't make his ninth grade team stuff like that, right,

1354
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: So those two, you know, you got you know, the

1355
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 2: magics of the world.

1356
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: And I think there don't get enough respect. That was

1357
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 4: a nasty fucker. Yes, And I mean and and and

1358
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 4: when we go to those tournaments whenever younger, they didn't

1359
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: want to play him. Ray McCord he was back there.

1360
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 4: Rave course is better than I there, but he Rave

1361
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 4: Record did and couldn't take us there. I mean he was,

1362
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 4: he was treacherous.

1363
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: A guy named Quentin Daily and out there would wear

1364
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: him out and couldn't. Had some drug issues as well,

1365
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: but out there get some ways more. Respective was one

1366
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: of the better players, absolutely, I think, and Bird as well.

1367
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 2: So there's that kind of guys. But my five would

1368
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: be I would put it well in. I put Bill

1369
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: Russell on the on the power Forward. I put Joyous there.

1370
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, you got to go with Urban and to

1371
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: go with Michael. And I love Lebron what he does. Uh,

1372
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: he has transitioned the new generation as far as how

1373
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: to be a pro. Yes, yes, and so I don't

1374
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: they can say, oh, he's scored this man points. I

1375
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: don't care about the points rebounds, but they'll be in

1376
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: the league that long. Yeah, and taking his body that

1377
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: way and there's no bummishes. Yes, wife and kids nothing.

1378
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: And I hate like Steve Nate Smith, all these people,

1379
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 2: all this they talked about him and Brownie. I want

1380
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: the other son to go for all of them, the two.

1381
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 2: If she can't all of them? Why not, because that's

1382
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: that's different. And when you're different, people don't respect you.

1383
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 6: People had on that because they can't do it for

1384
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 6: their kids.

1385
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 4: That's the only reason you.

1386
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 5: Can do it for your kids. You'll be patting them

1387
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 5: on the back to give me your son. Don't get

1388
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 5: in the league, off the show. It ain't your child.

1389
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 5: So it's a problem.

1390
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 4: But we know other people in this world do something

1391
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 4: for the nobody, says Jack.

1392
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 3: All the time, owners and the teams over all kinds.

1393
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 6: George Carlson playing NBA, that's it. Kobe karl who right,

1394
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 6: he was one of the man.

1395
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 5: No easy, okay, here you go to score any points?

1396
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 5: I'm not sure on accident one album you could listen

1397
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 5: to our repeat.

1398
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: So I had I had a routine, you know, go

1399
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: to shoot around, you come home, you have your meal.

1400
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 4: So back then it was like low jazz and music.

1401
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: Ah and you know obviously the earth winding fires and

1402
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: Frankie bevery Man whatever. But the most iconic one that

1403
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: I used to have was Kirk Whaling And so we

1404
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: would go in Houston to the west end of the

1405
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: top me came whatever.

1406
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 4: We had our own private.

1407
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 2: Spot, right and Kirk would just begin it wow and

1408
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: so he jazz got But I had all this stuff

1409
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: and Cole Smar would play that songs right whenever. Then

1410
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: that street's about to calm down. When the game started.

1411
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: You know, nobody had boom boxing. Remember walking in you

1412
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: had to have whatever cassette player. So being from Virginia,

1413
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: you go to trouble Funk and you get your hip hop,

1414
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: pump it up before the game and go from there.

1415
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: So that was that whole era of just built from one.

1416
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: But then I had to calm back down and go

1417
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: back to jazz. So between you know, all the jazz

1418
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: folks and Kurt and had a whole album collection. You

1419
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: know it couldn't buy couldn't buy clothes because they had them,

1420
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: would to fit you, how to get them made, had

1421
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: shoes playing shoes from that standpoint, but music was one

1422
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: thing and that got me, you know, kept me up

1423
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: to the game time. And I would wear the headphones

1424
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: before the game and get my routine and I would

1425
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: be trouble funking.

1426
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: Get the rank these three in your opinion, m J

1427
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: lebron Kobe, you.

1428
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 4: Know, because I played against Mjay College and pro.

1429
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the number one. But what I like

1430
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: about MJ was he you know, he could bounce back.

1431
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: He was a student of the game. He had a

1432
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: he built a mindset that no.

1433
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 4: One has ever done pretty much right, and he wanted

1434
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 4: to win.

1435
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: And he was putting the situation in the league against

1436
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: the bad boys and what he's trying to kill him

1437
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: against Baltimore's try to kill him. And you see the

1438
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 2: one against Monty where he's doing his nas on bird

1439
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 2: and whatever and he's fading. Even then the albumalks toward

1440
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: sixty points the mindset. If you talk about Monset, he's

1441
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: got the best one. He's got maybe the best game,

1442
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: but he got the best one because if he didn't

1443
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: have the mindset, and Kobe followed that, you know, and

1444
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: I rank him in no order because of their their career, right,

1445
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,439
Speaker 2: and Lebron would be next. And everybody said if Lebron

1446
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same mindset, well he didn't have to

1447
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: because he's trogging anybody else. He can play with another

1448
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: five years. He canna stay in shade. I'm shooting jumpers six,

1449
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: but I won't beat anybody else with him. You know,

1450
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: he got to be physical, you know, he gotta be

1451
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: fed I was, so. I hope he goes back to

1452
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: Cleveland win the championship there.

1453
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 3: Yesterday they got a squad.

1454
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 4: You go back and walking home, win the championship. That's

1455
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 4: gonna help his legacy. And he keep losing.

1456
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: Childhood crush messed up. Oh you know, I didn't they

1457
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have a high school girlfriend. I don't like

1458
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 2: that from last time.

1459
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 4: But I had god named ed Exton with a friend

1460
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 4: of mine, Billy Exteon's son.

1461
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: And I was in New York. I was in I'm

1462
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 2: playing the Knicks. You know, you gotta go there, you

1463
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: gotta play. He wants to take me the night before

1464
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: to a Whitney Houston concert. Whitney Houston concert.

1465
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 4: I didn't go. Oh the next couple of days, she

1466
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 4: sent me all this stuff parapherneria, you know, Whitney din Yeah,

1467
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 4: in the house, and I had like.

1468
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 2: The stand up thing and I would put it in

1469
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: the front window like somebody at home. And I met

1470
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: her later on, but I think, okay, great, but that

1471
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: is probably I want.

1472
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: To slip up.

1473
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 4: Come on, come on, fill the fire mess, go back

1474
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 4: and look at the pictures of her. She's beautiful. Okay.

1475
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 5: She evolved Okay, yeah, she definitely evolved.

1476
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 4: I agree.

1477
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 6: I agree that little time, she wasn't always with it.

1478
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 3: Which wi which the funniest teammates you ever had? And

1479
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: what team wasn't one man?

1480
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 2: Rodney had had a good camraderie. We joked around a

1481
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: little bit in a bad situation with the Warrior Steve Offer.

1482
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: Really now, he wouldn't think he's funny, but he was

1483
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 2: because he knew he wasn't fast, he could shoot.

1484
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 4: He was there and I'm just lucky to be in

1485
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 4: the league.

1486
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: But he joked all them and we sit on the plane,

1487
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: we talked, shiped each other like big fun I'm not

1488
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: gonna play much to night anyway, so I'm gonna do

1489
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: all this tuff.

1490
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a coach. He knew it gonna be

1491
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 4: a coach. So he was probably one of the most

1492
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 4: funny if.

1493
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 6: Guys fall in that category.

1494
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: Max wasn't on the on the team, said he wasn't

1495
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: on that team at that point in time. But but

1496
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 2: but Max fild in Houston. I'm done with the Warriors. Okay,

1497
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 2: Max for school. Max didn't jump at that time. No

1498
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: big fell come on, get some of that. And you

1499
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: had that dirty hook jump up.

1500
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 4: He would make it.

1501
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: And then Bill Switch was the coach, but he taught

1502
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: me a lot as well. But Max kept you laughing.

1503
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 2: All that's you do. That was the Houston and the

1504
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 2: sea was there. But Max, I'll call him when I

1505
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: leave her, right, like, Okay, your name came up.

1506
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 4: But he's he's but he's solid. Yeah, I mean I

1507
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 4: ain't no, no no, And he'll go down. He'll go

1508
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 4: down with I love you, go down with you.

1509
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 5: One guess you would like to see on our show,

1510
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 5: but you have to help us get your answer on

1511
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 5: the show.

1512
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 4: One guest, excuse me, I had.

1513
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 6: Mad this time?

1514
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you got that over three hundred shows,

1515
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: so you had a lot of guests. You had to

1516
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 2: like the Kareem No, That brother's got a lot of history,

1517
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 2: a lot of knowledge, and.

1518
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 6: We both Muslim, so I want to meet him and

1519
01:08:59,680 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 6: talk to hi.

1520
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. We go to a family feud.

1521
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: And Magic was supposed to go with Kareem and Magic said,

1522
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. So I happened to be in

1523
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: La and they called me, what you want to play

1524
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: against Kareem in the family feud? Sure, So they had

1525
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 2: two weeks call my kids, let's go, go, go, and

1526
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 2: we go. Steve Harvey's running a little bit late. So

1527
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: we in the green room.

1528
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 4: And I don't call him Capital, call him capital this reason.

1529
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 2: He's sitting in the corner with the blanket over his head,

1530
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 2: not talking to nobody, being kareem right, my family's away.

1531
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 4: Whatever we do that boom boom all your head.

1532
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: And I get a question and kind of if you

1533
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 2: go watch the show, get a question. And they asked,

1534
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: like what animal that bathed itself? And you know this

1535
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 2: first plas you know, family, Steve up there freaking joking

1536
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: with you, and like I said, a fish and they

1537
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: fucking fish.

1538
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 4: Like a cat? Or do heth? And whatever?

1539
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 6: So everybody laugh.

1540
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: Whatever, So we down and then my kids come back

1541
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: and then we beat him and when the money we

1542
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 2: get the money in your city, in the hospital, we

1543
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: walk him back into the air to leave, and he

1544
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: pulled miss that big fellow, big fellow, two seven foot

1545
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: dude in a bathroom no bigger than a cracker box.

1546
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I need you to uh give the money to

1547
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 4: my charity, Like fuck you man, I'm not it's going

1548
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 4: to my thing. I'm not going.

1549
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 2: You know, everybody plays you get five grand, but then

1550
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: you get another twenty five grand hit like I'm not

1551
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: doing all that, but he.

1552
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 4: Should be, you know, he should be. He got stories.

1553
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 6: I'll give you.

1554
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 3: My favorite part. I'll be down one.

1555
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 4: Ralph Man.

1556
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 3: We appreciate you.

1557
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the amazing career success, the Hall of Fame

1558
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: life in general.

1559
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 4: Man, Thank you.

1560
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 6: He was just cool cool. I knew it.

1561
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 4: Thank You'll love this.

1562
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: Thank You's around with you and all the smoke productions

1563
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: in the Draft Kings Network.

1564
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 3: See y'all next week. Mm hmmm.

1565
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.

1566
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm

1567
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm