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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: All Right guys, Part two, Welcome ladies and Mike to

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Speaker 2: the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Hey him, Mike, Hi, Hello Michael.

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Speaker 1: The first time I looked into your eyes, oh god,

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I know you guys have had

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Speaker 3: a few.

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Speaker 4: Well, I feel like we're both similar in that sense,

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Speaker 4: a little bit like where we both kind of want

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Speaker 4: to avoid each other and don't look at each other's eyes.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's like when we saw each other at

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Speaker 1: the movie theater. Do you remember that? You don't remember that?

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Speaker 1: It was awful.

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Speaker 5: I saw It.

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Speaker 1: Was like we were both there with the kids.

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Speaker 4: I was like, hey Joie, Hey Jace, and then I

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Speaker 4: like run away and then we go up to the

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Speaker 4: register and the hands up the one right next to me.

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Speaker 5: Ago.

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Speaker 1: It was I think it's the first time I really

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Speaker 1: saw you though, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think so, this is really my first time seeing Mike really. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm not on the soccer circuit. I'm not in the

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Speaker 3: movie theater, and so we have not seen each other.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been we were saying an episode, first episode,

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Speaker 2: how it's been two and a half years. I mean

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Speaker 2: since we even did you know we've we were married.

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Speaker 2: It's it's been a minute.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy. It's crazy. It kind of feels like yesterday

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Speaker 4: and also a lifetime ago. Honestly, No, there's yeah, we

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Speaker 4: have two babies to show for it. So it had

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody raise your head.

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Speaker 3: If you're wildly uncomfortable. Right, I have a question to

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Speaker 3: open it up. Why does Mike dig wear his shoes

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Speaker 3: in here? And we do? Oh, you're not new.

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Speaker 1: For the comedy relie.

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Speaker 3: We got to do something. Uh.

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Speaker 2: So I think a big piece of divorce is divorce

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Speaker 2: and friendships as well.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, something that I was going to say and when

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Speaker 2: I was talking with the girls early on the first

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Speaker 2: podcast was in a way we've uh we have a

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Speaker 2: great relationship now a new relationship. And I always wondered

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Speaker 2: if it was hard for the girls because all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, like okay, Mike and Air good, but like

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Speaker 2: we need to be good because for the kids. But

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Speaker 2: you guys have had your whords. Yeah, we're like what

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Speaker 2: about us and Mike?

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Speaker 3: And so it's I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Christal a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think it's hard because it's like

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Speaker 2: they were your friends too, but you just you know,

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Speaker 2: when people leave divorces, it's we people friends kind of

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Speaker 2: separate a little bit, right, and that can be hard

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Speaker 2: for all parties involved, exactly, especially when things can.

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Speaker 3: Be uncomfortable, like at the moment. Want to.

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Speaker 1: Know, I guess not.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well this is a great thirty message. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Well I have a question that maybe well it's going

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Speaker 3: to go we'll go in fast. But it relates to that, okay,

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Speaker 3: because the last tame, last time I think I actually

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Speaker 3: saw you was in your old home, and it is

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Speaker 3: absolutely incredible to me that I could avoid someone as

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Speaker 3: big as you as much as I did, Like you

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Speaker 3: did not exist to me, and that was hard for me,

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Speaker 3: because you know me enough to know that's hard for me.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 3: I also I was telling kat this I in the

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Speaker 3: compassion human part of me because I'm very much Janna

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Speaker 3: first like you, and we've all talked about this on

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Speaker 3: wine Down before that.

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Speaker 2: I loved you as long as Janna loved you. Jane

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Speaker 2: didn't love you.

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Speaker 3: I was getting the garbage bags and extra set of

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Speaker 3: hands because you're a big guy. Correct, Okay, read about

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Speaker 3: that in the good fight we did. Yeah, so, but

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Speaker 3: in the compassionate part of me, I also know a

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Speaker 3: lot about you from us being on the road and

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Speaker 3: being friends, and I know your history, and I know

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Speaker 3: fourteen year old Mike and what has set the tone

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Speaker 3: for fourteen year old Mike's life and the habits that

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Speaker 3: fourteen year old Mike picked up that had stayed with

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Speaker 3: him through marriage. And so the compassionate part of me

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Speaker 3: wants to know, how did it feel when you watch

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Speaker 3: it all dismantled the way it dismantled, because it was

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Speaker 3: it feels to me quick once it was decided, it

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Speaker 3: was like we're moving you out. You are like it

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Speaker 3: just was. It just happened so fast that I also

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Speaker 3: wondered was there a moment in your walk, because we

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Speaker 3: hear about Jamna's walk, But was there a moment where

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Speaker 3: you thought, I'm really just watching this all fall apart

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Speaker 3: like my friends are, because there's a guy group at

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Speaker 3: that point, there's a husband group, there's you know, I've

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Speaker 3: been on Wine Down with you and Jana. We've been

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Speaker 3: driving through Texas. We had a two tall mic series,

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Speaker 3: like we've had these histories with each other, and all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, all of the people that have like

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Speaker 3: God saved the Queen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly how it felt good, right, No, none

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Speaker 5: of that's a surprise to me. That's the thing. It's like,

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Speaker 5: as much as we were all friends too, I knew that, yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: But that's part of all, even going back to nine

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Speaker 5: years ago when I first moved here for Jana, right, Like,

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Speaker 5: it's just I left all of my people, my friends,

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Speaker 5: and so I knew immediately everyone that I became friends

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Speaker 5: with we're going to be attached to Janna. It's hard

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Speaker 5: to go back because it does, like Catherine said, it

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Speaker 5: feels like yesterday, but also ten years ago, two and

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Speaker 5: a half years ago, and a lot has changed since then,

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Speaker 5: so it's hard to really recall exactly what I was feeling.

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Speaker 5: I just knew the difference at that point was as

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Speaker 5: bad as it was and painful as it was for everyone,

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Speaker 5: I was like, this, this just has to happen a

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Speaker 5: little relieving, partly terrifying, isolating. I was felt completely alone,

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Speaker 5: but it needed to happen. And one thing that's coming

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Speaker 5: up for me now that I said to my therapist,

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Speaker 5: then to my my, my men's groups, my whatever, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't say this necessarily with pride. I say it

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Speaker 5: to affirm how badly that needed to happen. I didn't

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Speaker 5: shed a tear year after we separated and divorced, not

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Speaker 5: because I didn't care. I truly believed. I was like,

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Speaker 5: because this is unlike me. I'm still an emotional person.

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Speaker 5: I've always been like an emotional person, but I physically

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Speaker 5: couldn't cry. And what that was telling me was like,

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Speaker 5: God is like literally hardening my heart right now. He's like,

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Speaker 5: I got to get you, you guys out of this cycle,

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Speaker 5: because that's helping nobody. It's not helping Jana, it's not

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Speaker 5: helping you, not helping your kids, not helping your families,

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Speaker 5: your friends, nobody. And that lasted for a long time

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Speaker 5: where it just no matter how much I talked about

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Speaker 5: it from a therapeutical standpoint, spiritual standpoint, I just never

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Speaker 5: really purged that emotion because it was something bigger than myself.

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Speaker 5: Not to get hokey on it, but spiritually it was

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Speaker 5: something bigger than me. To be like this is ending now. Period.

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Speaker 3: You don't think it's a detachment because you do have

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Speaker 3: a history of detaching, right.

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Speaker 5: And I know the difference. That's that's the thing where

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Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, this is this is different. This isn't

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Speaker 5: me detaching to save myself. This is out of my hands.

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Speaker 5: At this point, I can kind of.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't relate to the not crying piece

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Speaker 2: I was like or on crid bo days, but the

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Speaker 2: moment that I worried about in the laundry, why didn't

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Speaker 2: we didn't fight back?

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Speaker 3: I didn't fight back.

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Speaker 2: That was my that moment for you where I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's done because the fight was gone, and that was

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Speaker 2: like that I can so I can relate to that

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Speaker 4: We did you Did you ever feel when y'all were

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Speaker 4: going through this though that it was toxic and then

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Speaker 4: it needed to end?

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Speaker 1: Did you ever feel that way?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Of course, Yeah definitely. But at that point, part

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Speaker 5: that it's like Mike messes up poor Janna, same narrative,

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Speaker 5: different time of year. Uh, we talk about it, we

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Speaker 5: write about it, we do all these things, we do

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Speaker 5: work on it, and it was just like this cyclical

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Speaker 3: But the piece of that that was repetitive was you

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Speaker 2: I couldn't like, I don't want to just like give

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Speaker 2: it all Mike. But it's hard turn to ask Mike no,

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Speaker 2: But I think it was. It's not totally fair just

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Speaker 2: to put that no no. But the pattern of the

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, that was yes him, and then

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Speaker 2: it would bring out But I told you the anxious attachment.

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Speaker 2: I've said that to you. I'm kind of protection a

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Speaker 3: That's fine. Mike's not really scared of me, let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just patterns, but also in the in his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just this is the cause and effect I'm talking.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get out of those no like I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm also asking questions that listeners would want

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Speaker 3: want to know that stuff, like because that is how

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Speaker 3: it looked. It looked like you do this. This happens,

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Speaker 3: there's apology, Jana cries, you know, but I saw and

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Speaker 3: I said this to Jana before, and I've said it

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Speaker 3: to you, like I always thought you guys would be

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Speaker 3: the best of friends. I always saw you as best friends.

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Speaker 3: I was like, if you guys could just get it

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Speaker 3: be epic. Like I've always seen you as homies. So

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Speaker 3: that I think was That's kind of the thing for

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Speaker 3: me is I'm like, does it feel like I watched

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Speaker 3: her anxious attachment? I watched it sometimes I suffocated for you.

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Speaker 3: I knew why she was doing it, though, because what

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't disagree with you, right, you know. That's

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Speaker 5: the thing over the last two and a few years,

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Speaker 5: I own my pard and everything and I always and

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Speaker 5: I have on my part now. Yeah, and that's the

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Speaker 5: whole thing where it got It's got so cyclical or

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Speaker 5: even in my mind at the time, I would still

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Speaker 5: try to put on Jamie. I was like, well, if

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Speaker 5: you just gave me some space, this wouldn't happen. Is

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Speaker 5: there some fact and truth behind that? Sure to a degree,

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Speaker 5: But that's how bad that cycle got where we didn't

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Speaker 5: even know where it beginning ended it anymore. It's like,

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Speaker 5: did it really begin with me doing something again? Or

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Speaker 5: did what? The same pattern was there, but it was

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Speaker 5: so lost that at that point it didn't even matter.

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Speaker 2: What would you say to couples then going through that piece,

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Speaker 2: because I think that's the hard part because I get

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Speaker 3: Did you want me? I always wondered.

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Speaker 4: I think that's something we all kind of felt like

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Speaker 2: Me, but say why, because I think it was beautiful

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Speaker 4: Hearing you say the cycle, first of all, I want

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Speaker 4: and it's just it's been. It's been actually really hard

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Speaker 4: Even though you haven't said this, I'm sure you feel

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Speaker 4: you and I you know, I like to think that

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Speaker 4: I still treated you well during that time. I don't remember.

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Speaker 5: Sure I appreciate that. The thing is like I've remember

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Speaker 3: I defaulted to you so many times on behalf of

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Speaker 5: That doesn't surprise me, and I believe that when you

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Speaker 5: all right, after all this stuff happens, what am I

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: How many times have you guys, over the last almost

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Speaker 5: have you heard me say I'm sorry? Right? And how

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Speaker 5: many times did something happen again? Right? And you guys

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Speaker 3: Well, and I'm not even carrying it like I'm like,

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Speaker 3: you hurt me personally. I think I just I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's all of it, that's just the one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I know that I am and.

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Speaker 5: And I agree with you with the things you're about China.

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Speaker 3: Sure I can see that actually right.

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Speaker 5: Like I felt like and again and you guys, it's

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Speaker 5: It was my own doing over time, but we all

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Speaker 3: Were you in your own foxhol.

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well that was the thing I thought. I was like,

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Speaker 5: But that's part of where, just like that cycle needed

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Speaker 5: only shame that I have that still comes up is

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Speaker 5: because I see where Jan is at and I was

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Speaker 5: Mark this episode, I was like, Jana, how does that

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Speaker 5: a nice autumn day, like pea.

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00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: Coat on straight out of the UK.

437
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 5: His hair was flowing.

438
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: Of course he always I swear.

439
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 5: He turned to the right and I was kind of

440
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 5: back behind them, like catching up to me. He turned

441
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 5: the right and it's like the wind hit it just right.

442
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 5: I was like, is he slow motion right now?

443
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: In slow motion? Also, if you made an Alan like

444
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: action figure, it would be Peacoat not sold separately. That's

445
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: like how he is in my brain, dapper Allan, Where

446
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: is he pop out right now?

447
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Because so funny.

448
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 5: So I you know, I might like him more than Jana, but.

449
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: That's though that makes me happy.

450
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 5: But that's a testament to the person that Jean has found,

451
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 5: the person that she found that she deserves right.

452
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: And I will say that the one thing of anything.

453
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: And you know, Kat was asking about, like, you know, apologies,

454
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: and like did you think I get apology wanted? And

455
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: I said, there's one thing that he said to me

456
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 2: at the very out of all the years, that was

457
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: everything I ever needed to hear. It wasn't the full

458
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: apology that I thought I deserved, or this or that

459
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: or the other you said to me when I got

460
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: engaged and you knew, you knew at that time I

461
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: was pregnant, but you said, after everything that I put

462
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: you through and you've been through, you deserve this and

463
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm really happy for you. And it was like that's

464
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: everything I needed to hear, and I believed you and

465
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: that is the.

466
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: That was. It was beautiful.

467
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 2: So I just I really appreciate that comment because that

468
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: has that was the one thing that was like.

469
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 5: Okay, well you're welcome and I meant it. And on

470
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: a lighter note, can we tell the pregnancy story?

471
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, did.

472
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: Jana tell you guys?

473
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, don't you tell you guys?

474
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't know out Oh yeah no.

475
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, so for those of you listening.

476
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can tell the story. It's so really funny.

477
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: So we're sitting at soccer practice. Was this in the spring? Yeah?

478
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: The day does matter because the protesting.

479
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 5: On your spring spring and we're at.

480
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: March it was like March twenty fourth to twenty six whatever.

481
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 5: It was dating Joys soccer practice.

482
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so So it was in April when

483
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: I when you found out.

484
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, that wasn't even that was.

485
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: Bringing on the phone.

486
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 5: Was on the phone, that's right.

487
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: You didn't say anything.

488
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 5: I didn't say anything. Yeah, So Jane was said she's like, hey,

489
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 5: can you get the kids or something or whatever. It's

490
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 5: like I just haven't been feeling well. I'm like, yeah, sure,

491
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 5: and then like a week goes by and then I

492
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 5: hear on the phone obviously I know Jane. I'm like,

493
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 5: you still don't feel like She's like no, I'm like

494
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: it's been a week, like what and then she makes

495
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 5: this audible sound over the phone that I've heard her

496
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 5: make two other.

497
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: In you would figure it out first.

498
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 5: And so she makes the sound like this little dry heave,

499
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 5: throw up.

500
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: Sound, and I was just like, you don't say anything.

501
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 5: No, I said what I said. I was like, what

502
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 5: was that? She's like, I was like, what was that noise?

503
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: And immediately when he asked me, I was like I

504
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: was like.

505
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 5: I was like Janna, I was like, are you I

506
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 5: don't know what's talking about.

507
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: No. No.

508
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 5: And then it's like a couple of days later, we

509
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 5: had the soccer practice and we were.

510
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: At Jason's surgery was a surgery, and I looked up

511
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: and he's just like, you're still not feeling good. He's

512
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: like Jana, and I was like m m mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

513
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, long story short. He totally I

514
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: called her to keep that from him.

515
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, are you pregnant? And I was just

516
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: like mm hmmm. And then You're just like, I'm.

517
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: Really happy for I was uncle Mike here, I.

518
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 4: Okay, let's not with the old before the words. I

519
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: was trying to think of funny stories. But then, of course,

520
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 4: as I'm like going through these questions, I'm like, remember

521
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: when he cornered me in the bathroom, and do you remember?

522
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: It's not a funny story, That's what Jenny was.

523
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: Like, no, And I was like, you don't remember that.

524
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: It was like dancing with the stars. After she first

525
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: found out you'd been away from a while. You come

526
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: back and she doesn't tell me, mind you that you're

527
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 4: coming back, and I'm there, and.

528
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: So I'm like awesome.

529
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: You know. So I'm like in the bathroom, do my makeup,

530
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 4: and you walk in the bathroom.

531
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: There's nowhere for me to go. I am cornered into makeup,

532
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: just letting you.

533
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: Talk, and I'm just like, but I mean that was

534
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: a I mean a huge memory for me.

535
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was big of you.

536
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: Honestly, you know, you came in and you apologize to me,

537
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: and you you know, whatever.

538
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: But anyway, so.

539
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: I was trying to think of stories and I just

540
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: kept coming up with these and she's like, these aren't

541
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 4: funny stories, like you know it was, And then I

542
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: was like I did appreciate it though when he with

543
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: a hand.

544
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: On the table the stories. But in my mind it

545
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: was funny.

546
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: Remember when we ruined the Gamelberg Gatlinburg. Is someone farted,

547
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: You're like.

548
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: I didn't fart.

549
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: We were just thrill us in there, like I'm not

550
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: a grown up, like saying I'm a grown up. I

551
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: didn't far.

552
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Other funny now though, so that's the good news.

553
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: I remember when we did wind Down Texas, and that

554
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: was I felt like, I felt like we were really funny.

555
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: We were thank you. And I remember you were too

556
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: tall for everything we tried to put you in, and

557
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 3: so then it became a series too tall Mike, and

558
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: so Carl, Carl, Carl and I were taking pictures of

559
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: you when you didn't know in tiny.

560
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: Space stop it.

561
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: He would drive the jeep that we were renting. We

562
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: had to go like four hours and they love murder

563
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: mystery shows or whatever, and I was like, I'm in

564
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: my own personal health and so mom and Dad were

565
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: in the front and they're driving and he like Mike.

566
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way he doesn't have like

567
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: an actual kink because he was like so hunged over,

568
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: so too tall. Mike was a good memory.

569
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Is there anything as we wrap up this episode that

570
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: you guys want to say to move on?

571
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: Let the past be the past.

572
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Obviously it's long gone, but you know, to move on

573
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: and start a new chapter in this friendship.

574
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: Mine is quick, So Kat, would you like to go first?

575
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: I feel like I want you to feel like good relief.

576
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: I want us to be in a room and be

577
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: able to get along. First of all, I want to apologize.

578
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: This will be hard, but I want to say that

579
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: I am sorry because even though I didn't really have

580
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: a choice, the last thing I said to you will

581
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: always stick with me. It in the divorce situation, which

582
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know remember that was very very hard

583
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: for me and.

584
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: I have.

585
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: I was doing what I knew she needed me to do,

586
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 4: and I you know, I just I said to you,

587
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: you just trust me, and then you walked out the door,

588
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: and I was just like I.

589
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: Could I could barely live with it.

590
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just gonna be honest because I felt

591
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 4: like I had I knew I was doing what I

592
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: needed to for her, but for myself and for you,

593
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 4: I just it was hard. It was and I want

594
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: to apologize for that. I don't know how I should

595
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: have done it differently. I don't know how I would

596
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: have done it differently, but I do feel like I

597
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: own owe you an apology.

598
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: I appreciate that, and I appreciate that you feel like

599
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: you even owe me an apology. And for those of

600
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 5: you listening, I mean, it wasn't It was just Catherine

601
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 5: saying that I don't need to go see GM. So

602
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: you were doing what any.

603
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: Well, you walked outside, and you walk outside. It's in

604
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: the book, it's a chapter outside.

605
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 5: Done the driveway. I see this guy get out of

606
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 5: his car, just waddling over to the driveway and I'm

607
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 5: just like, okay, and he's like, are you might costan?

608
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

609
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 5: You go?

610
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Could you see me in the window? Oh my god,

611
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: did you see us?

612
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: Video?

613
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: I literally cam and I just watched you from the

614
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: video and it was and she's, you know, screaming in

615
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: the bedroom, and I just like after that, I just

616
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 4: like sat there for a minute and I was like,

617
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: I mean honestly, like I needed to do.

618
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: De talks for a while after all of this.

619
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: It was a lot for y'all especially, but it was

620
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: also a lot on us too, you know. And that's

621
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: but yes, I felt like I owe you an apology

622
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: for that, because that just never really set well with me.

623
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: I think what I was trying to say to you,

624
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: I just didn't have more words, was I'm actually looking

625
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: out for you too, And it's how I felt in

626
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: that moment, It's what I wanted to say. That's why

627
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: I just kind of looked in your eyes and I

628
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: was like, just trust me, like I knew you'd get

629
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: here eventually.

630
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: I just could so see that. I just knew that

631
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: it had to happen. It did, you know.

632
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: So, But that's that's all I wanted to be able

633
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: to be in a room and be good. That's that's

634
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: you know. I hope that we can be good. I

635
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: hope that you don't have resentment towards me, and.

636
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 5: No, I I honestly don't. And that's where, you know,

637
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: I never I didn't have a reason the way I

638
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 5: saw it for the last couple of years, and obviously

639
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 5: like the fact that we're having this conversation, the whole

640
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 5: reason why it's good that we've waited so long. Sure, right,

641
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: But at the same time, I was like, I don't

642
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 5: have any reason to talk to y'all like over the

643
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 5: last two and a half years, Like I haven't for

644
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 5: what again, for what reason? Like what what would have done?

645
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 5: Who would benefit in that moment until the moment came

646
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 5: like this more organically podcasts or.

647
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: Not organically being video from.

648
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: Microphones and cameras, but for it to come up in

649
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 5: the way that it did, because other than that, like what,

650
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 5: I don't know what I would have said to either

651
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 5: one of you guys.

652
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: I also think it's like God's protection over it too,

653
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: because I think what I would have said to you

654
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: a year ago, even or even right after it happened

655
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: would have been like very sex in the city, like no,

656
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 3: you know, And I think.

657
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: We needed Jane to get to this place.

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Speaker 4: That's where it hit me, Like, yes, I've had some

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Speaker 4: you know, things about it, and i've you know, felt

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Speaker 4: a way, But when I saw that y'all were good,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, it's time it's time for us

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Speaker 4: to all be okay, you know, like let's all like

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Speaker 4: we're adults. What happened happened. We all know everyone had

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Speaker 4: a part in it. I will never fully blame you ever,

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying I blame you either. It is

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Speaker 4: it's a it's a relationship that wasn't working, you know.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just thankful. Honestly, I'm really really grateful that

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Speaker 4: we could sit down and talk it talk it out.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That's really it for me too, because I honestly, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't do well at not liking people. It takes

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Speaker 3: a lot for me to not like somebody. And I

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Speaker 3: never disliked you. I was disappointed, and I think I

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Speaker 3: felt like I just thought you could always do better.

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Speaker 3: I just kind of always knew you guys weren't going

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Speaker 3: to do better. You weren't going to be able to

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Speaker 3: do better inside of this. No, And I just don't

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Speaker 3: want to have to feel like I have to avoid

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Speaker 3: you because you're massive, and I just don't dislike you.

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Speaker 1: We're all on the same page. We all like each other.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for coming on. Stay tuned for another short

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Speaker 2: little wrap up.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned. We should have brought one h