1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Hi, I am Rashaan McDonald, a host of weekly Money 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Making Conversation Masterclass show. The interviews and information that this 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: show provides off for everyone. It's time to stop reading 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: other people's success stories and start living your own. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: If you want to be a. 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Guest on my show, please visit our website, Moneymakingconversations dot 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: com and click to be a guest. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: Buddy. 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: My guest is a proud graduate HBCU, graduate of North 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Carolina A and T. And she's also an Associate professor 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: at Duke University of Nursing and founding director of the 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: Heat Lab. She is advancing nursing signs by using community 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: partnerships to address the help inequities among black families living 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: in the United States South. Please welcome to the Money 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Making Conversation Masterclass. Doctor Shanida d Randolph. Hey dog Shanda, 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: I am doing wonderful. Dot me dode, doctor Shanda, Shanida, 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Raddolph, give me the name, Give me the. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: Name Shanida dot Randolph. Either one, I am, I am 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: both good. 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: Well, when Doctor Randolph, we start off that and I'm 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: sure I'm just lie that you need. 22 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: As we get to know each other and all those 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: good things. 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: Tell me a little background about yourself, I said, HBCU graduate, 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: and now you're associate profess associate professor at the at 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Duke University. Tell me about how it all started at 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: the HBCU. 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, I am definitely a proud graduate of North 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: Carolina Agricultural and Technical statement. You got to say it 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 3: like that, little Aggie pride. Yes, and so I completed 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: my undergraduate nursing degree at North Carolina A and T. 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: And actually from from there, I've actually had the opportunity 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: to also be on faculty years later, full circle at 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: the School of Nursing at A and T. So I'm 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: definitely a proud graduate of the university. HBCUs are undeniable 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: in their influence and the impact that they have across disciplines, 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: but specifically in nursing. So very proud to call myself 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: a A and T graduate. 39 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: Well, I'm proud for you to say that I'm an 40 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: advocate of HBCUs. I'm always stepping up an opportunity to 41 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: present and showcase what HBC's are delivering to this country 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: on a historical basis and with the future holds for HBCUs. 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: Why did you choose nursing. 44 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: That's a great question, A great question my aunt actually had. 45 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: I will say that she had an influence on me. 46 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 4: My great aunt was a nurse. 47 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: As I was preparing for college and just having the 48 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: opportunity to care in different ways for my grandparents. It 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: was a discipline that I was exposed to. I saw 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: others doing it and thought that I would take that route. 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: I will say that it was probably one of the 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: best decisions. 53 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 4: That I've made being a nurse. 54 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: I mean, most people think about nursing as hospital and 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: as bed guide and taking care of people, but nursing 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: is so much more than that, so much more. We 57 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: are entrepreneurs, we're in the business sector. I myself now, 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: I am a nurse scientist, so I actually am a 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: researcher and I engage in advancing health by looking at 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: programs and interventions that are socially and culturally relevant, doing 61 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: that through our research process with the community. And so 62 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: nursing is so broad. It's more than just the bedside. 63 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: And it is a you know, you have serotypes. 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: You know what a nurse is to come in, take 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: your temperature, the doctor comes in, or the nurse comes 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: in before the doctor. So the nurse in some ways 67 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: I believe is disrespected from a standpoint of what you guys, 68 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: the full scope of what you guys do, based on 69 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: what I understand and what the general person understand. Now, 70 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: doing this interview, I heard the word nurse and science 71 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: together in the same sentence. I had never seen that before. 72 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: Talk to me about that, doctor Randolph. 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely so. I have a PhD in public health. Actually, 74 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: there is also an opportunity for people to get a 75 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: PhD in nursing and as a scientist, as a nurse scientist, 76 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: it gives us an opportunity to look at some methodologies, 77 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: evidence based literature and programs and interventions and really thinking 78 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: about the science behind what it is that we do 79 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: as we are. For me, it's implementation science, and so 80 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time on the development of 81 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 3: interventions that will address health and equities, and in doing that, 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: we are looking at the methods behind that right that 83 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 3: scientific rigor to show that these things. 84 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 4: Are grounded in evidence. 85 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: And so when you think about nurse scientists, that is 86 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: sort of a role that many people don't recognize that 87 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: that nurses have. I will say that less than one 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: percent of nurse sciences are actually black, and so I'm 89 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: always trying to expose nurses and expose others to the role. 90 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: And most think that nurse scientists are limited to academic settings, right, 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: and so I work at Duke in the School of Nursing. 92 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: But there are research entities and organizations and industry that 93 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: nurse scientists could also be a part of as they're 94 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: looking at that even from a clinical perspective. You know, 95 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: I focus on more and so behavioral science, but there's 96 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: also the science where you can look at drugs, right, 97 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: and how these drugs are impacting the body, and you 98 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: know how these drugs are are in clinical trials, and 99 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 3: so you have nurses that are a part of that 100 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: piece of research and scientists as well. 101 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Now my intro, I said, heat lab you founded and 102 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: you're the director of the heat lab. Okay, No, you're 103 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: nurse signs and I'm learning about you. You know you graduate, okay, 104 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: associate professor that do you know your nurse scientists you're 105 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: more engaged in research. You're not that classic in our 106 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: mind what you think of what nurse and what she does? 107 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: What is heat lab? 108 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 4: Yep? 109 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: So the heat lab heat with two ease means addressing 110 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: health disparities through engagement, equity, advocacy, and trust. And so 111 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 3: the Heat Lab consists of myself as a founding director. 112 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: We also have our co director, doctor Reagan Johnson, who 113 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: is also a nurse. She's a nurse practitioner that gives 114 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: another role right of the of nursing and what it offers. 115 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: But we also it's an interdisciplinary group of entrepreneurs, community advocates, clinicians, 116 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: business owners. 117 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: Who have a shared vision. 118 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: And our shared vision is to address the health inequities 119 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: that exist specifically in black communities. And how we do 120 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: that is through different mechanisms. Mainly, the Heat Lab focuses 121 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: on addressing HIV prevention. 122 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: Among Black women particularly, but. 123 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 3: We also have an arm of what we do that 124 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: focuses on black male adolescents and young adults and engaging 125 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: their fathers and their parents in sexual health communication to 126 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: make sure that we are living sexual healthy lives. 127 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: And preventing HIV. 128 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: You know, we make up a small population, but HIV 129 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: is still a thing, absolutely absolutely, and you know, make 130 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: women make up over half of the new HIV cases 131 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: and so in the Heat Lab, although those are two 132 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: things that we're focusing on now, our larger vision and 133 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: shared mission is to partner with the community to address 134 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: these inequities. We also are doing some things around firearm 135 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: violence with a nonprofit organization in North Carolina. 136 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: And so so that's where you get your funding from. 137 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: Or because I'm shaying the government now is making all 138 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: these cuts, are you afraid? Are you impacted by these cuts? 139 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: If they are made, where would you get your funding? 140 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really great question. And yes, there's a 141 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: lot going on right now. We were recently funded as 142 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: of the end of last year by the nih actually 143 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 3: particularly the National Institute for Nursing. 144 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 4: Research, and they are cutting funding for that. 145 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: We do have a currently we have like a four 146 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: point four million dollar grant that over five years is 147 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: focusing around black women and PREP use, which is pre 148 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,479 Speaker 3: exposure profilaxis. 149 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: You may have heard it now, it's PREP. 150 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: Has been a conversation that some influencers have been having 151 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: lately right in the. 152 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: Use of PREP to protect your one from getting HIV. 153 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: Right, and so as that funding, you know, is up 154 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: for being cut, I think that you know, we also 155 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: have the Heat Lab has funding through industry through foundations 156 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: as well, and so I think the good thing about 157 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: the heat lab is that we have not focused all 158 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: of our efforts on federal dollars. 159 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I think it's important that we talk about 160 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: your program. You found it, you director of it. 161 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: It's important to you. 162 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: And then some people come along and say, well, you 163 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: know they're doing that over there in Houston. 164 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: Are they doing that in New York? We don't need 165 00:09:59,200 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: you to. 166 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: Do the same thing in their mind in North Carolina. 167 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: But then you say, you're about health inequities for black 168 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: families in the United States South? 169 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: Yes, why is that important? 170 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 4: Good question? Good question. 171 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: You know, when we think about social determinants of health 172 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: and our health as as black individuals, as black, as 173 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: a black woman, we have to face the reality that 174 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 3: there are some things that are occurring. 175 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: In the South. 176 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: The first reason, though, the answer to that is that 177 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: a lot of the HIV rates are higher in the 178 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: southern region of the United States. 179 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: Why why? 180 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: There are multiple things that that address that. Some of 181 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: those things include access to care. 182 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: Right, it's a population mass population. Mass populations I would 183 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 2: think of to be on the. 184 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: East coast, where are predominant amount of the African American 185 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: population kind of goes swings south to the east. 186 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 3: It does, and so that is one reason as well, 187 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: that is where a large population of Black Americans reside 188 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: are in those areas as well. You know another factor 189 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: that I don't think that we can leave out and 190 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: not have conversation and bring awareness to and acknowledge. 191 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: And that is systemic racism. 192 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 3: I know it's a thing now that people don't want 193 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 3: to talk about, and you know, you gotta be careful 194 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 3: around having those conversations, but it is one that is 195 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 3: historically it's true, right, and so there are impacts of 196 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: implicit bias and systemic racism that is grounded. It was 197 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 3: built in our systems that are impacting people's health. 198 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: What exactly is systemic racism. 199 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: Systemic racism goes beyond I'm black, you're white. 200 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: We don't like each other. 201 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: It's beyond prejudice, right, It's beyond an emotional attachment to 202 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 3: the color of your skin. Systemic racism is really looking 203 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: at how these systems are created and how they function 204 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: that creates barriers in health care delivery, health care access 205 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 3: for patients. 206 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 4: Right. 207 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: Systemic racism looks at the fact that you know, when 208 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: you think about for example, we'll take education for example, Right, 209 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 3: when you think about where a school is located, and 210 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: how much funding that school actually receives can really have 211 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: an impact on where that school is located right within 212 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 3: that county. 213 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 4: Right. 214 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: You think about even redlining, right, and how certain communities 215 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: may not have access to healthy foods right within the communities, 216 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: desert within their communities. Those things are that system, right, 217 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: And so how are systems, even our healthcare system, and 218 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 3: how it functions to to not meet all of the 219 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: knees and access of those people. All of those things 220 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: are sort of they're they're they're rooted and grounded, and 221 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: how the system was created to separate and I think 222 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: those are things that that we really have to. 223 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: Take into consideration and how they how they impact. 224 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: He well, can we say this that I'm an African 225 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: American man, as I say to people, I've been black 226 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: all my life, But also I'm in the culture that's 227 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: in denial, in denial about the gay community within our 228 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: denial by high blood pressure, denial by diabetes, high cholesterol. 229 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: So that denial does it. 230 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Feed into the factors of saying that this is why 231 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: it's also a problem within our community, the HIV explosion. 232 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: It's a tricky question. 233 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: Why isn't a tricky question, doctor, because I said, because 234 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: I believe it is true. I know my people, I 235 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: know we are sitting in that corner and looking at 236 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: won't admit, won't admit. And it's sad to say because 237 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: of the facts that there in front of us. We 238 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: are a people who tend to are so proud and 239 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: so stubborn. That's why we were victimized by COVID, because 240 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: of weight issues, because of health issues, because we have 241 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: refused to acknowledge that there's a high level of obesity, 242 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: there's a high level of blood pressure issues, and cholesterol 243 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: issues and diabetic issues, and they all came out with COVID. 244 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to push anything on you, not 245 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: telling you what I see and what I feel. But 246 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to have an open dialogue with you because 247 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: you are the subject matter expert. 248 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely so, so let me let me 249 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: acknowledge that. 250 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: Your feelings are accurate. 251 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: And that many may feel that way. And so I 252 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: want to acknowledge that and not deny it. Right, I 253 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: think that you know the term of denying that there 254 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: is a problem denying that. I think I pause in 255 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: that moment because although that is some truth to that, 256 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: we also have to think about why that truth exists. 257 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: And if we put that truth there and put a period, 258 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: then that makes us the the reason for the problem, 259 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: and that's not the case. So so let me give 260 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: you a point a point of real scenario. A real 261 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: scenario is I have a family member who denied that 262 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: there was a problem with their health. Okay, they denied 263 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: that they were potentially having a stroke. Right, they denied 264 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: it and wanted to put it on other things, right 265 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: as to not seek care. 266 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: Right. But when you dig deeper to that, why was 267 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 4: that denial? 268 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: Right? 269 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: And so do I put that denial on them? 270 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: And when you dig deeper, it was also because the 271 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 3: last time I went to the hospital, the doctor did 272 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: nothing for me. I stayed there for twelve hours and 273 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: they did nothing for me. 274 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: Right. 275 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: Or you know every time I go, I have to 276 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: pay two hundred dollars for each visit. Right, And so 277 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: you see the association with the denial of that, right, 278 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 3: And so I think it gets deeper a little bit 279 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 3: deeper than that. There are there are reasons, specifically I'm 280 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: speaking for the healthcare system, there are reasons that I 281 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: may not think that something is for me, right, so 282 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: with prep, for example, women will say, oh, that's not 283 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: for me. 284 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: I'm not going to be on prep. Prep is not 285 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: for me. 286 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: That's denying, right, right, that's denying. But on the other 287 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: side of that is women also have not been given 288 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: the opportunity to see themselves in the messaging behind prep. 289 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: Women have also gone to their doctors, and their doctors 290 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 3: not offer them prep. 291 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 4: You see. 292 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 3: So I think it's a it's a it's a joint responsibility. 293 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 4: I definitely don't want. 294 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 3: To put all the ownst on us as a community 295 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: to say that. 296 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: All of that responsibilit lies on us, because let me. 297 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Go in deeper here, miss scientists, what role does the 298 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: church play in all this? Because they have a captain audience, 299 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: they can speak the truth, and that's when denial can 300 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: become even more magnified. Who wants to bring the gay 301 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: community into the church, conversation into the church, and one 302 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: talks about HIV, they tend to want to think it's 303 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: just a gay issue, and it's not. It's a it's 304 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: a communication issue. It's a sexual transmitted disease issue. And 305 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: there are a lot of individuals out there who are 306 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: not gay that are getting HIV through sexual relationships. So 307 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: what role can the church play? I know, pushing this 308 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: a little bit far out there for you, but you 309 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: know you HBCU graduate, you associate professor that do I 310 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: think I can talk to you like this? 311 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 4: You can talk? 312 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: Now? 313 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: Is the time where you call me not doctor Randols? Yeah? 314 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: So many social determinants of health, right, And so when 315 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: did you talk about this notion of many people thinking 316 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: this is a gay disease? 317 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: Right? 318 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 3: Right? Historically black women get HIV through hetero sexual contact. 319 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: That is the primary way of getting HIV, right, and 320 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: so we cannot limit it to it being a certain gender. 321 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 4: Or certain sexual preference. 322 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: Right. We really have to start looking at this to 323 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: the lens that HIV impacts everyone, and I think that's 324 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: a place that we. 325 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: Have to start, right. 326 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: And that's why we're having this conversation because I'm trying 327 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: to When I did my research on you, doctor Randolph, 328 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: the whole thing was about information, and when you get 329 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: into that HIV lane, Oh, it's a recognized day and 330 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: it goes away. And it also just like COVID, people 331 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: think COVID is going away. People are still dying of 332 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: COVID right now. And so it's the same thing with 333 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: HIV is not on the front lines of conversation, So 334 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: people go it doesn't bother me, it's not part of 335 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: my lifestyle. 336 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 5: Please don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with more 337 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 5: money Making Conversations Masterclass. Welcome back to the Money Making 338 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 5: Conversations Masterclass, hosted by Rashaan McDonald. Money Making Conversations Masterclass 339 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 5: continues online at Moneymakingconversations dot com and follow money Making 340 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 5: Conversations Masterclass on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. 341 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that, but here you 342 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: are of a program called heat Lab and you are. 343 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: Adamant that we still need to. 344 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 4: But the great thing is, uh huh, you don't have to. 345 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: And I'm going to get back to your church question. 346 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: I know we're not running from that, but you know, 347 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: you're one of those people. 348 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: I gotta like stop you here because you've be throwing 349 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: out those good vibes and information. I got to make 350 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: sure I get that broken down. 351 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: But you know nothing, you run from the church question, 352 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: and no, I'm not. 353 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 4: Running from it. 354 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: So the thing is, though, that the good thing is 355 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: we're in twenty twenty five, yes, ma'am, And so there 356 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: have been so many advancements in HIV, right, there is 357 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 3: there is an opportunity now to live healthy lives with HIV. 358 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: There's medications that if one is HIV positive that they 359 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: actually can become undetectable where there is no trace. Right, 360 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: there's there that they can live a healthy life undetectable 361 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: right with HIV. 362 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 4: And then there's PREP. 363 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: So if I, if I, if somebody is HIV positive 364 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: and they decide that they have a partner, their partner 365 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: can be on PREP which will prevent them and decrease 366 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: their chances of getting HIV from their HIV positive partner. 367 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: So we are not in the same times that we 368 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 3: were previously. And I think that's the message to that 369 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 3: no one, no woman, no woman, no man, has to 370 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 3: live with with HIV. They're they're they're advancements in that 371 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 3: right if we make a decision to you know, they're 372 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: there are other options for us, right, And I think 373 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,719 Speaker 3: that getting tested is very important, getting tested frequently, getting 374 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 3: tested at least once a year, but also depending on 375 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: your sexual health and your sexual life, right, and so 376 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: whatever that looks like for someone, it may mean that 377 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: they need to get tested more often. And so there 378 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 3: are so many advances in HIV that I think that 379 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: we can sort of look at things a little bit different, 380 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: Whereas before you get an HIV diagnosis and you're like, Okay, 381 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: let's start planning because I'm about to die of this disease. 382 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: And that is not where we are in twenty twenty five. However, 383 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 3: where we are still is that we have PREP has 384 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: been around since twenty twelve, and we still have less 385 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 3: than two percent or so of women who are on 386 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 3: it right. And a part of that, again, when you 387 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: talk about that denial piece, part of that is us 388 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: as healthcare providers. Do your providers even know about it? 389 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: Do they talk to you about it? How easily is 390 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 3: it for you to access it? Do you even see 391 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 3: yourself in a messaging? And that has been a big 392 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: thing for us, is that when we bring PREP up, 393 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 3: women are like, oh, I've seen that commercial, but I 394 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: thought it was for gay man because I didn't see myself. 395 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was for me. 396 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 3: And so I think that's a piece as well that 397 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: I just wanted to bring up to church. Now there 398 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: you go, church, Okay. So historically, yes, there continues to 399 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 3: be I think some some barriers in having conversations within 400 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 3: our churches around sex period more or less around HIV. 401 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 3: You know, whenever we do our work in the Heat Lab, 402 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: we partner with the beauty industry. So we have partners 403 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: as that are part of the Heat Lab that have 404 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: actually co developed interventions. One of our interventions is called updues, 405 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: which is using PREP doing It for Ourselves, which is 406 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: an initiative to really bring awareness to Black women around 407 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 3: PREP and help them to. 408 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 4: Get on PREP. 409 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: They can actually access telehealth, speak with the provider, send 410 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: an HIV test to their house, send PREP. 411 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 4: To their house. 412 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 3: We have That is what we are actually doing as 413 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: a part of this study with Updues. But we partner 414 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: with the beauty industry, right and so we have barbers, 415 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 3: we have stylists who partner with us. And so I 416 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 3: say all that to say it continues to be in 417 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 3: some churches stigmatized, and I think it just means that 418 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 3: we have to find other routes and other avenues. 419 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Used the word most churches, you know, because let's be 420 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: real about this, because if I'm you, doctor Randolph, I'm 421 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: frustrated because you see a problem. It's not being magnified, 422 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: like you said in a beauty salon, and a barbershop. 423 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: That should be a poster acknowledging this is happening. That 424 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: should be. 425 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: When I go to a doctor, it's gotten so non personal. 426 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: You know, you do it on an app and they 427 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: say yes or no. And I'm telling you, I'm not 428 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: gonna put all my personal stuff on an app or 429 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: type out the description of your sexual preference on an 430 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: app or computer form. And so I think the way 431 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: whethersin is being handled because we're in a rush to 432 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: get all these forms filled out before you arrived. 433 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: So in your ride, we coulda rush you back out 434 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: the door. 435 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Because our job is to turn around and flip as 436 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: many patients so. 437 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: We can make as much money. So when we. 438 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Get flipped in flipped out, don't know the proper care, 439 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: the proper reason we are in there. And guess what 440 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: next thing? You know, we sitting in a drug store. 441 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: They're giving us some pills. We don't know if that 442 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: pill gonna take care of you. The reason I say 443 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: that because I wake up and take six pills every morning. 444 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't know who if those six pills can help 445 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: me live ten years, twenty years, or thirty years. But 446 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I know I'm taking those pills and That's where the 447 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: nurse and the science is frustrating me because the system 448 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: I don't believe is allowing you an opportunity to be 449 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: as successful. 450 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: Is that truth? 451 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: I would echo that with exclamation points. 452 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 2: Sir, thank you. 453 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: And I'm not here to say anything bad. I'm just 454 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: saying that I'm trying to figure out how I can 455 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: help you. But I know in some ways my energy 456 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: to help you is only going to be a small 457 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: amount of information that's being distributed because again, people, especially 458 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: people of color, we just in denial, denial, denio. 459 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 460 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: And then we have programs like DEI that's claiming like 461 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: DEI is only helping black people are people of color, 462 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: and we all know it's white women who are benefiting 463 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: from this, the most welfare, white people benefiting from this, 464 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: the most unemployment, white people benefiting. 465 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: The most. Only thing we leading in is prison. 466 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: Now we went in in prison with everything else where 467 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: you can benefit from, we in behind. But they stereotype 468 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: us and make us believe that we are the bigger 469 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: benefactors of this. Come to HIV when I have an 470 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to speak and be your bullhorn, what can I 471 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: do to help you? 472 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 2: Out, doctor Randolph, because I'm fired up. 473 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: You know you're fired up first or night you get 474 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,239 Speaker 1: a brother fired up? 475 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: Now, I love it. 476 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 4: I love it. 477 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 3: I think really just you know, two things I think 478 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 3: think come to mind. Definitely, follow some of the work 479 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 3: that we're doing in in the Heat Lab. When it 480 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: comes to research, there is some distrust historically and current 481 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: with our participation as Black Americans in research, and that's 482 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: completely understood, right. But following the heat Lab at the 483 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 3: heat lab dot org for you know, different programs and 484 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 3: ways that the community can be engaged in that work, 485 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 3: and to bring awareness to that work would be very, 486 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 3: very helpful to be an advocate and help us to 487 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: add cap for that and our shared vision. 488 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 4: You know, we do our work with. 489 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: The community, and the community voice is always prioritized. 490 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: We have a community Advisory Council. 491 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 3: Again, we have partners and consultants to our community members 492 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 3: and not sciences that are working alongside of us. 493 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 4: And so I think that's one thing. 494 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: I think the other thing is just continuing to recognize 495 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: that we are operating within a system that I honestly 496 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: and this is this is Shanita speaking here, I think 497 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: that we're going to really have to think of ways 498 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 3: as a community to advance our own health and be 499 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: opinion leaders and share information, community organizing, partnering with one another, 500 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: and collaborating with one another to advance our health because, 501 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: as you stated, our system, even our healthcare system. I've 502 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: experienced it the past month or so on a personal basis, 503 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: and it's heartbreaking, right, It's very heartbreaking just to see 504 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: and to experience some of the things that I have personally. 505 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: But you know, just share a personal story. 506 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: I was in high school and I did a class 507 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: assignment was drug addicted babies. These are babies who are born, 508 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: they're born, they got to have they're born addicted to 509 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: drugs and that's about forty years ago, and. 510 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 2: That's still a problem today. The people. It's a problem. 511 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: And so when I because I saw you become emotional, 512 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: which means that emotion is usually tied to frustration, and 513 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: then it also tied to you see the numbers. You 514 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: see the reality, and you don't see that reality turning 515 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: fast enough for you. 516 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 4: We were talking about it for a long time. 517 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: I know, like I said, that's trying to bring up 518 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: my story abou drug edicen babies. You know that affected 519 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: me way when I was in high school and today 520 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: is still a problem. And so I want to ask 521 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: this question, to read it off the card, how do 522 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: you mentor the next generation of nurse scholars who will 523 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: be committed to addressing the health of our black communities. 524 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, If you remember, I became a nurse because I 525 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: saw a black woman who was a nurse who looked 526 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: like me, And I think that representation definitely matters. Some 527 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: of the experience that you shared about your own health 528 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 3: experiences in terms of the system, all of that matters. 529 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: So it matters that I see a black nurse. It 530 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 3: matters that I see a black nurse scientist. Representation definitely matters. 531 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 3: It matters that as a black woman with a lived 532 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: experience who goes to the beauty salon, like I understand 533 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: at a different level whenever. 534 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 4: I am operating in my role as a. 535 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: Nurse scientist to develop interventions right and to talk. 536 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 4: About the lived experiences. 537 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: So all of that matters, and so one thing that 538 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 3: we have done, I'm a co founder of Black PhD 539 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 3: Nurse Scientists. Three of my other colleagues who are also 540 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 3: black PhD prepared nurse scientists who also have graduated from 541 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: HBCUs Howard Perry View University. We have partnered and we 542 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 3: are doing HBCU tours at schools of nursing. So there 543 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: are thirty three HBCUs that have. 544 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 4: Schools of nursing. 545 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 3: Only three of those schools have PhD programs where you 546 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: could be a nurse and get your PhD in nursing. 547 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: That's problematic, right, and so what we are doing is 548 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: really just going to HBCUs. We've been to A and T, 549 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: we went to Howard University and large, and we're just 550 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 3: allowing undergraduate nursing students to see. 551 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 4: What we do as a nurse scientist. 552 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: We expose them to this role in hopes that they 553 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: will see this representation and it will spark something for 554 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: them to be able to think about this as a 555 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: career trajectory. Again, there's like less than one to two 556 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: percent of us are nurses who have PhDs who are 557 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: nurse scientists are black. And so if we're talking about 558 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 3: addressing health disparities and most of those researchers who are 559 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: doing that are not black, there's opportunities there, right, Because 560 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 3: there is something that to be said that whenever I 561 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 3: have lived that experience, I can offer a lot to 562 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: that conversation. And so that's one thing that we're doing 563 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 3: is through our Black PhD Nurse Scientists Program is exposing 564 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: others through our HBCU tours. We're also trying to support 565 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: other nurse scientists who are currently in that role through 566 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 3: wellness retreats and writing retreats to make sure that they 567 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 3: have scholarly impact and that they are sharing their work 568 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 3: within the academic setting, but more importantly, that they have 569 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: the strategies to make sure that we share who we 570 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: are and what we do and why to a broader community. 571 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: For an example, having the opportunity to sit down with 572 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 3: you today, you know that that's that's important. This means 573 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 3: more to me than it does my New England Journal 574 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 3: Medicine article, right because it picks up the New England 575 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 3: Journal Medicine and read it. 576 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 4: Right. 577 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: But I don't know, right, I bet you hurt. 578 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: In my head. I got enough problem. I don't need 579 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 2: to be hurt some more. Understand right, what. 580 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 4: People listen to you in your podcast? Right? 581 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 3: So that's how I like to support current and future 582 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 3: NERSE scientists. 583 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: And for the beauty of my show, you know, it's 584 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: syndicated to twenty HPCUS nationwide. It's also syndicated on Serious X, 585 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: which is HPCU. It airs on the WCLK in Atlanta, Georgia. 586 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: So a good and also my podcast is a nationwide 587 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: global podcast. 588 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,479 Speaker 2: And when I look at. 589 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: You, you know your smile is too brilliant for it 590 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: to be tied to disappointment. So you said, why are 591 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: you motivated. I'm motivated by keeping a smile on your 592 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: face and by letting you know I believe in what 593 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: you're doing. I'm an honest guy because honesty has allowed 594 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: me to be able to say there's a lot more 595 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: to do. It's just saying I'm in. 596 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: I'm in. There's a lot of people in. But what 597 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: are you doing? Being right? Right? Get dirty? But I 598 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 2: just wanted to bring you on. 599 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: And this is not a one time relationship. I want 600 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: you to believe that we're gonna start, this is gonna 601 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: be ongoing because like I said, I saw drug addicted 602 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: babies more than fifty years ago and they still a. 603 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 2: Drug addicted baby today. 604 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: And if we don't make change, if another COVID hit, 605 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be We're gonna be at the top of 606 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: the list of the ethnic group that is impacted the 607 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: most in a negative way. Same thing with the HIV 608 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: and now every time I hear about HIV in the 609 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: Black community is impacting women. I was born and raised 610 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: with six sisters, and so there are men out there 611 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: that are caring this disease. So women have to know 612 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: they have to be the first in the lead for 613 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: protecting themselves and not trusting their quote unquote partners because 614 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: they are being impacted the most. And we all know 615 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: that women, they are more women than men. So when 616 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: you say women are leading in the HIV, that means 617 00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: there are a few guys out there that are doing 618 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: things they should be doing and not being honest with 619 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: their sexual parts. So with that being said, I allow 620 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: you to close by show with eighty follow up thoughts. 621 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, thank you, thank you so much 622 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 3: for having me today, and I look forward to the 623 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 3: opportunities to be able to share, if nothing else, is 624 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 3: to share what we're doing in the heat lab. And 625 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 3: you know how the community can be impacted. 626 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 4: You know, we talked a lot. 627 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: I think the one thing I would close with is 628 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 3: that I hope that we as a community can be 629 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 3: empowered and that we can support one another for our health. 630 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: If we see something. 631 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 3: Or we we we hear you know that we get 632 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 3: this knowledge or that we can share it with others, 633 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: and that we are truly our brother and our sister's keeper. 634 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 3: There are challenges and barriers that have persisted for years 635 00:37:53,680 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 3: right and until we take some empowerment and and ownership 636 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 3: for each other to advance our own health and to 637 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 3: make sure that we are healthy. 638 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 4: And that we are you know, not living this life 639 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 4: full full of stress and being here for one for 640 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 4: one another, and that I would also say, you know, 641 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 4: follow us at the heat lab dot org. 642 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 3: Our work now has a focus in six counties throughout 643 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 3: North Carolina, Mecklenburg, Forsyth County, Wake, Durham County, Guildford County 644 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 3: to name to name those in Cumberland County. Reach out 645 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: to us. If you're a beauty salon who would like 646 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 3: to be engaged in this work, we would definitely love 647 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 3: to partner with you in in that and through collaboration 648 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: and partnership. You know, we just got to be there 649 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 3: for for one another and for our community. 650 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: To thank you for coming on Money making Converses Masterclass 651 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Randolph h. 652 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm up and love. 653 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: I just did a big bag for you guys hosted again. 654 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: Thank you and I appreciate you coming on my show 655 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: and taking the time to share your knowledge and your 656 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: nurse science knowledge with my audience. 657 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. 658 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 6: This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation Masterclass 659 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 6: hosted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests 660 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 6: on the show today, and thank you listening to the 661 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 6: audience now. If you want to listen to any episode 662 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 6: I want to be a guest on the show, visit 663 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 6: Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social media handle is money Making Conversation. 664 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 6: Join us next week and remember to always leave with 665 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 6: your gifts. 666 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 2: Keep winning.