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Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture dang

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Speaker 1: dong lost culture resta calling.

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Speaker 2: Did you know?

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Speaker 3: I was having like such a reflective day today because

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Speaker 3: defining artist of our time who gives something like every

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Speaker 3: we I surely never have. We dropped asset upstate and

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Speaker 3: listened to Honey.

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Speaker 1: I told our guests when I met them backstage at

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Speaker 1: so amazing. I'll never forget this, our guest and David Byrne,

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Speaker 1: it was an amazing It was that was let's talk

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Speaker 4: Was like, you can't, I can't do this is too much.

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Speaker 4: And then I I word vomited and I was like,

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Speaker 4: And what heals me was Ariana Grande be all right.

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Speaker 1: And when I got into bed, I got into the

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Speaker 1: covers and just looped honey the album for about like

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Speaker 3: This is not the first time you have been flat

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Speaker 3: flabbergasted deta celebrities in front of you and you said

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Speaker 3: of him saying that he doesn't even like frequent ketamine.

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Speaker 1: Don't be concerned, No, don't be concerned. It's not I

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Speaker 3: Meaning that people with non substance Yeah, and I have

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Speaker 1: She's here the album it's called sexistential. That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say. Good news fucking app in the words

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Speaker 1: of our guest and driver makes her horny. She reveals

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Speaker 1: this and we've heard it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Sorry, I know that's going to make

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Speaker 1: Our friend has heard it. Gino heard it, and I'm

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Speaker 5: Let's just let's just break get into it, because it

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Speaker 5: is truly an honor for our first guest of the

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Speaker 6: I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is like a joy for us.

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Speaker 7: No, it's a joy from me. Thank you for telling

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Speaker 7: me all these sweet things. My heart's amazing. We haven't

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely because I could see the the the face

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Speaker 6: No, I loved it. I thought you were being so.

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Speaker 6: Also, you appreciate it. I know that I'm so happy I.

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Speaker 1: But it was like it like I laugh about it now,

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Speaker 7: That was my picture of what the album was going

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Speaker 7: lots of things to write about, absolutely, But the album's

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Speaker 3: Like you recently said that you feel like it's your

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Speaker 1: The way, I deeply feel that.

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Speaker 3: I feel that I think you're amongst friends, and so

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Speaker 3: And I do feel like we do need those reminders,

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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, about being curious about having.

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Speaker 7: I would want my life to always be if I can.

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Speaker 3: But it's not necessarily about sex, which is kind of

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Speaker 6: It's like how you approach anything.

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Speaker 1: I guess horny for life. Be horny for life, life

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Speaker 7: Yes, be tantric like let things like build and feel

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Speaker 6: What kinky No, me and cloths.

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Speaker 7: We're not getting kinky, yes, but we we've been you know,

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Speaker 6: Same work ethic.

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Speaker 1: There's a push pull. Yes, Like it's so interesting that

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Speaker 3: Well, with music, I feel like you can take your

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Speaker 1: Freetom like being prepared exactly. I don't want to be

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Speaker 3: But like for you, it's like to hear that dopamine

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Speaker 6: Soon to before?

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Speaker 7: part of course. I had the the sexistential was like

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Speaker 7: the you know, it's like the joke title of the

445
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,439
Speaker 7: album for a really long time. And then I was

446
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 7: like that was just going to be sexistential. And then

447
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 7: I was like, we have to write a song called sexistential.

448
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it was like.

449
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 6: The last song we did.

450
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Speaker 7: So it was like a very free space where you know,

451
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Speaker 7: we go deeper into the things that we had already been.

452
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: Talking about and standouts one of the standouts, but then

453
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Speaker 1: like the words ex of cential gets littered and other

454
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Speaker 1: like and blow my mind.

455
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, or and talk to me. I think I love talk.

456
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Speaker 1: Is that the official second single?

457
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 6: Yes?

458
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: Love it?

459
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 6: Great choice, it's gonna come, Oh it's going to.

460
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Speaker 3: Well it was, so this is coming out a week

461
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Speaker 3: from today, So it's been out a week.

462
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Speaker 1: You're late.

463
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 6: Already.

464
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Speaker 1: I want to ask how many songs is Max Martin

465
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Speaker 1: on on on this on two two? Yeah, so that

466
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: must be a very long relationship.

467
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Speaker 7: Oh yes, that's the longest one, but very sporadic in

468
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Speaker 7: the sense that we've only really worked together on three

469
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Speaker 7: four songs, like two on my first album, one on

470
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Speaker 7: the Body Talk release, and then two now five songs.

471
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

472
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Speaker 7: Max Martin is a very sincere or very smart and

473
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 7: sensitive person. He always gets depicted as this machine who

474
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 7: has a strategy and you know, is like almost like

475
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 7: get a robot in a way, it is like working

476
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 7: with AI because it's so fast. And I think that's

477
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 7: like that that is the inhuman kind of thing about him,

478
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 7: that it's so like the problems like solving is so quick.

479
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, but it's not a it's not a formula.

480
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 7: It's like real sense of melody and likes experience, experience exactly.

481
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 7: You know, him and class went to the same class

482
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Speaker 7: in the same music school, wow in Sweden.

483
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Speaker 1: So then so then so I mean this, I feel like,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, you are such a part of Max's story,

485
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: and like I think that is I don't know, I

486
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: think that must be a really interesting thing to like

487
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: just track mutually your your your your pathways, like in

488
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: this business that it's changed so much.

489
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Speaker 6: You know, when I came here.

490
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 7: I was like, oh my god, this kind of building

491
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Speaker 7: and this kind of like office hallway and my hair

492
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 7: today and the mint. It was like I was coming

493
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 7: back into like a record company building.

494
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Speaker 3: And I was like, you know, well we are A

495
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Speaker 3: and R and we are gonna we are. This is

496
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Speaker 3: a signing meeting for us, very interested in.

497
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Speaker 6: You can you get a bu Tang members?

498
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Speaker 1: Probably could.

499
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Speaker 3: I feel like the story of Max Martin is obviously

500
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: understanding pop music and creating pop music as we know

501
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: it today in many ways, but also understanding artists, like

502
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 3: what he gets from and what he's able to channel

503
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: from someone like Taylor and someone like Arianna, you know,

504
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: go over the this is just recent and you throughout

505
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: the years, Like I feel like he really helps to

506
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: not define artists, because artists define themselves, but hone in

507
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 3: and make specific and therefore like sometimes even make funny

508
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: what an artist can do because they have like a

509
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Speaker 3: bit that they can come keep coming back to, you

510
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, And like that's I guess where

511
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: like the reheating your own nachos comes from. When people

512
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: saying about certain people it's like, no, this is just

513
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: my style.

514
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it just happens to be like the biggest

515
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 7: one over the the one that's like dominated all.

516
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 6: The charts, but it is actually really personal and.

517
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I got to meet him once.

518
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, how was that?

519
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: It was so interesting because it's like you're saying, like

520
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: I was expecting this like larger than life, like very methodical,

521
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: precise person, and he's lovely. But we we went to

522
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: go see Spam a lot with Ari, Yeah, and he's

523
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: just like easy going, wonderful, nice, kind like chill person.

524
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is. I didn't say this

525
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: to him, but I was just like, this is. It's

526
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: like you said. It's like it's not what his portrayal

527
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: is as like this prolific songwriter and hit maker. It's like,

528
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: oh he's he's a not to produce it, but he's

529
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: a guy. He's a guy, you know, and then a

530
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Speaker 1: great way he's a guy.

531
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's he has actually has something like almost

532
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 7: like grace.

533
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 6: He has grace, like he will.

534
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 7: Go deeper and like find the like you're saying, like

535
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 7: the real meaning behind that artist and what they're trying

536
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 7: to say, and he will go for like the the

537
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 7: higher kind of round I think, And he kind of

538
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 7: has you know, he has good morals. He hired a

539
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 7: new really amazing beautiful female producers like Elvida who worked

540
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 7: on Allison Ray, and you know, he's like making good

541
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 7: decisions with his legacy. But then he's also you know,

542
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 7: when I worked with him the first time, like he

543
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 7: was this young person who was just so ambitious and

544
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 7: really wanted to win.

545
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 6: That's also part of it.

546
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 7: And he is obsessed with statistics and he will like

547
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 7: you know, he it's amazing to see someone with that

548
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 7: much success and it doesn't like he really goes at

549
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 7: it as if he's trying to win, Like the first time.

550
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 6: It's really amazing.

551
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Hungry, yeah, hungry. So yeah, I mean the deeper meaning

552
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: behind the way he finds deeper meaning, Like I feel

553
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: like you have a sense of what your deeper meaning is.

554
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: You don't have to share it with us, but I

555
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: feel like it's so interesting that you've in the past

556
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: set things about like, oh, I wanted to to sort

557
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: of have an inflection point after dancing on my own.

558
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be known as like the heartbreak

559
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: musician necessarily. Yeah, And he said recently, I think on

560
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: zaying Lo, You're like nostalgia is like a perilous thing,

561
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: like a lethal thing. But what I loved about the

562
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Paramount set Lists set list was that like it

563
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: just wove in like your full discography so beautifully, and

564
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: then you're saying show me love for the first time

565
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: in like like ten years. So it's like, so it's like,

566
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: I wonder, like what you're relationship is now to like

567
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: the way you not nostalgia, but the way you look

568
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: back on your own work.

569
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 7: I look up back on the first album and maybe

570
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 7: the second one as well, with just like a lot

571
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 7: of sympathy and love for you know, the situation I

572
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 7: was in.

573
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: It was you were young.

574
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 6: It was insane, Like it was really.

575
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 7: Trippy to come from Sweden into the culture that I

576
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 7: thought I knew because I grew not grown up with it,

577
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 7: and then realizing how lost in translation you are sometimes

578
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 7: as a European and America especially if you if you

579
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 7: don't know the culture right, and little things like like

580
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 7: how America is very divided, I think, between like children

581
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 7: and grown ups. And I was still a teenager and

582
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 7: just finding myself like in this very kind of you know,

583
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 7: you're in a kind of a separated.

584
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: World, right in a very adult industry a.

585
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 6: Very adult in the nineties.

586
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean there was not no one was no one

587
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: even would know how to ask me, meaning exactly.

588
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 7: It was like, yeah, I would say that, you know,

589
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 7: being a pop star, a teenage pop star, is like

590
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 7: a lethal it's a lethal situation.

591
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 6: And it can really get you.

592
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Well.

593
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, but I was prepared in the sense that you know,

594
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 7: safe haven, back home.

595
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 6: And I don't know what was the question.

596
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: The question was how do you but this is this

597
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: is actually details perfectly into something else that I want

598
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: to ask you about.

599
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 6: We talked about nostalgia.

600
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: As a perilous Yes, no, maybe you want to go

601
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: somewhere else. Well, no, I mean finish the thought. I'm

602
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: so sorry I didn't No.

603
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 6: No, not at all.

604
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 7: I don't even know what I was saying. I think

605
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 7: I think nostalgia is dangerous. Yeah, but I think you know,

606
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 7: playing Show Me Love is not doesn't feel nostalgia.

607
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: I mean, of course it's nostalgic, but in the good sense.

608
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, that there's something there that's real and that's

609
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 7: a part of people's lives and that's not for me

610
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 7: to have any opinion about, you know, And I love the.

611
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: Song, right, yeah, And you're not singing it as the

612
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: teenage version of you. You're singing it as you now,

613
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: and therefore it's a different in a way. Is that

614
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: Did that speak to the choice to arrange it the

615
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: way you did?

616
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 7: Yes, because it brings out the softness of it and

617
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 7: the beautiful melody and you can hear what's there that's

618
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 7: maybe you know, timeless or whatever.

619
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: Yes. I think I think what nostalgia, what makes nostalgia lethal,

620
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: as you're saying, is that it is treating the past

621
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: as like aspirational. Yes, and that's that's never what you

622
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: want to be.

623
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 6: It's an illusion.

624
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's like, oh, we got to go back

625
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: to this better time. This the thing that's over depressing. Yeah,

626
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: that's like I'm sorry to make it about this. It's

627
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: like a fascist idea. We got to go back to

628
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: like the way things were, you know what I mean.

629
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: But you're like you you already know this, like deep down,

630
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: but I want But the thing I want to like

631
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: dovetail into is like I think you maybe don't get

632
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: enough credit for being for inventing the notion of like

633
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: an independent pop star. I think like going and making

634
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: your own label or just putting out your music like

635
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: you're her own way now. It's like indie pop is

636
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: such a thing, right, Yeah, But I feel like you,

637
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: I feel like you don't get enough credit for that

638
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: that you really modeled this thing, even for someone like

639
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Charlie who like knows, oh I I'm gonna do like

640
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: one for me, one for them, and the one for

641
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: me thing is the most is the thing that brought

642
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: her her most success. I would argue with Brat totally

643
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 1: like that was supposed to be like they was supposed

644
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: to break away from Crash where she was like, you know,

645
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: fulfilling the contract for the label, doing like what a

646
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: pop traditional pop star album would would look like. But

647
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you've you've kind of blueprinted out this

648
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: thing for a lot of people, which is like you

649
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: can do it on your own terms. Yes, And I

650
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: feel like I hope you get that sense now as

651
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: we're like all coming together once again to like celebrate

652
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Robin that that it comes your wife.

653
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 6: Are you ever teaking it in?

654
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: Yes?

655
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: Are you ever surprised when a certain artist like Who's

656
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: a Because I feel like Gracie Abrams is like when

657
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: you listen to her music, like it's a totally different

658
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: genre than you might think.

659
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: But she uh was it she that invited you to

660
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: perform with her? Yes? She did? Was that Where was

661
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: this glassonry?

662
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 6: No, it was Chicago, the Big.

663
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: No.

664
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 7: She invited me and and she was so sweet and yeah,

665
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 7: she gave me all this space and I got to

666
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 7: do dancing on my own. And you know, anyone that

667
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 7: gives me that love, it's like it's a big compliment.

668
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 6: It's always amazing.

669
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: Well, we would like to ask you the central question

670
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: of our podcast, so and I bet, I bet you

671
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: are the answer to this question for many people. But Robin,

672
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: what was the culture that made you say? Culture was

673
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: for you? This defining whether it's pop culture at large,

674
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: movie song, a specific moment, something in the environment that

675
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: you can look back and say, I'm probably me doing

676
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: large part to that.

677
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 7: I think I have to say Buffalo stands with nan

678
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 7: A Cherry Wow. You know, being like ten years old

679
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 7: and then hearing raal So she for the first time.

680
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 6: I remember it was like summer break.

681
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 7: I was playing cards with my friends in country house

682
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 7: and we were just playing this album over and over again,

683
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 7: and we all knew that she was Swedish and that

684
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 7: her real last name is Carlson, and I was just like,

685
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 7: that's amazing. If she's Swedish, I can also be that way,

686
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 7: you know, like this kind of really sexy and powerful,

687
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 7: playful energy. And it was pop music and it was

688
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 7: made for me. It was not made for my parents.

689
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 6: It was ordered for.

690
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 7: A new generation, and it was mixing and it was undefinable.

691
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 7: It was like New York and Sweden and London, and

692
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 7: it was in her language as well. And the things

693
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 7: that she was saying was so empowering and vulnerable, just

694
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 7: manchildlike being so critical about like toxic masculinity, but also

695
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 7: saying like no monument can be mala, it's.

696
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: So real, Yeah, and speaking to ideas that had not

697
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: been spoken to in pop music or maybe even music

698
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 3: at large. Like it just didn't feel like this was

699
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: area we had tried before. When I think about Sweden,

700
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: I think when a lot of people think about Sweden,

701
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: I've only been once to Stockholm, but I went to

702
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: like the Museum of Pop Music, and it's really an

703
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: abba in Eurovision Museum. But is is the culture like

704
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: you mentioned obviously this song and this this album, But

705
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: is the pop music culture as long as you can

706
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: remember was it that thick in the air, like like

707
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: the way that like they say, LA is Hollywood and

708
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: you know what this is like people have their industries,

709
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: like is it very thick in the air like the

710
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: pop music?

711
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 6: I think it is now. I don't think it was.

712
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 6: I was little.

713
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 7: I think we were still a very you know, I

714
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 7: don't know what this world will mean to people here.

715
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 7: But like it was, you know Sweden in the old days,

716
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 7: so there were only two three TV channels, wow, you know,

717
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 7: we had maybe four radio stations, no commercial radio yet,

718
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 7: no way to find like American music. You had to

719
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 7: go to a store for import clps or CITs. It

720
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 7: was not easy to be concerned or into popular culture

721
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 7: when I was in You really had to work for it.

722
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 6: Wow.

723
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 7: So in that sense, no, But then when I started working,

724
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 7: which was so early, I you know, all the people

725
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 7: that I was working with was you know, maybe twenty

726
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 7: or like sometimes even thirty years older than me. And

727
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 7: then you know I got in touch with you know,

728
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 7: like a like a more connected part of Stockholm, which

729
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 7: was like you, I don't know, like you want drink

730
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 7: and you're not Aukuland and these like more commercial directors

731
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 7: that had been traveling and working outside of Sweden, and

732
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 7: and the Cardians and you know all these other like

733
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 7: Swedes that were connected to the outside world. But not

734
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 7: nobody my age had that network. It was much later

735
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 7: that it happened for like my generation. But now I

736
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 7: think there's so many young musicians and artists in Sweden

737
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 7: that really feel supported by the legacy of the music.

738
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 7: And of course like Abby is you know, the year zero,

739
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 7: year one, and then kind of you know Max Martin

740
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 7: of course, and all these producers that are now creating

741
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 7: popular culture all over the world. It's like, I guess

742
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 7: we're like the third or fourth biggest music export country

743
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 7: in the world.

744
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. I mean you, I

745
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: feel like it's always like whenever you hear.

746
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: An artist went to Sweden, you're like, oh, here we go,

747
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: here we go, Where did she go?

748
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: She was spotted? Where I remember?

749
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: It's like I remember years ago, like Kelly Clarkson, they

750
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: were putting her second album together and they felt like

751
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: she didn't have a full album, so they sent her

752
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 3: to Sweden. They sent her to Max and then she

753
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: had Since you've been gone, right, and it does feel.

754
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: Like there's a song since you've been gone the best.

755
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like one of those and I remember that's

756
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 3: like one of the ones that will last.

757
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: And it feels like Max does hand you that every

758
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: few years or more.

759
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 6: He still does.

760
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And he's still into the songwriting like you will.

761
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: He's not producing that much anymore.

762
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 7: He'll leave it to the younger producers, but he's like

763
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 7: in there like and still write.

764
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: So I feel like a lot.

765
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: Of people don't really realize how it works, like what

766
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: a real producer really does, you know what I mean?

767
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: So when you have a concept or an idea or

768
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 3: a strong urge and you go to Max, like there,

769
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: what exactly is is that?

770
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: What? What? What happened?

771
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 6: Then?

772
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 7: I mean it's different every time, but this time it

773
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 7: was I had this beginning of a song with talk

774
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 7: to Me, and me and Oscar worked on it a

775
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 7: little bit and then started producing it together. And then

776
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 7: Max came in and did his thing and heard what

777
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 7: I was thinking for the chorus and he was like, yes,

778
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 7: you should go there, and then he kind of left

779
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 7: me with this riddle. He was like, but just think

780
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 7: about these chords and that kind of transition melodically, da

781
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 7: da da, and he just left and then I solved

782
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 7: it when he was away because of the instruction he

783
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 7: gave me.

784
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 6: So this this kind of like I don't know Andy

785
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 6: Warhol way of working. Maybe like you know that.

786
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 7: He will see it and he'll give instructions. Sometimes he

787
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 7: will write as well. He did he wrote things on

788
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 7: other on the other song we did, and on talk

789
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 7: to Me as well. But it's very very smart. It's

790
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 7: very intelligent, very very good.

791
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 3: The way so when we talk about producing, really, I

792
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: think a better way to explain it for people that

793
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: don't really get it is and really what they're doing

794
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: is directing you right. Like he gets a lot of

795
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: credit as like an amazing vocal producer because of the

796
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: ways in which he's brought new vocal stuff out of artists.

797
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: He certainly did with a like you can actually mark

798
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 3: like you can see like there was someone like Ariana says,

799
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: I think with break Free or was that Z was

800
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 3: like but like what he did was he was like,

801
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 3: I really need the straight tone singing for this kind

802
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: of song. It's like like working with a producer as

803
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: like a vocal director.

804
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: He gave ari that direction.

805
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think people don't realize that

806
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: it's like, that's what that job is.

807
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 7: The way Brittany sings on the first album is really

808
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 7: like her singing.

809
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: Like the way Max sponsors. Yeah yeah, that kind.

810
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 6: Of she's an amazing singer.

811
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 7: But like he did the demos like the Babe bit,

812
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 7: like all the demos are him doing that. It's really yeah,

813
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 7: you're right, very into the sounds of things too. It

814
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 7: doesn't really it might not be about the word.

815
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 6: It might more be.

816
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 7: About the vocal or like the vowel, like where the

817
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 7: consonant hits. But I think with him it's more it's

818
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 7: still songwriting and it's still concept but it's more conceptual now.

819
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 7: But a lot of producers are you know, a producer

820
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 7: still like the person who's making the sound right on

821
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 7: the record, And I think that's also what he used

822
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 7: to do. Just now he's like a little bit birds

823
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 7: view more executive.

824
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: I guess I feel like you. I feel like your

825
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: voice is so precise. So it's what I've always loved

826
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: about the quality and the timbre is that it's clean.

827
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Isn't the right word, it's just it's just it's perfectly

828
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: matched with like a Swedish sensibility in a way. Of

829
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: like making music, which is that it's like right on target.

830
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: And one of my favorite episodes of song Spoilter is

831
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: your episode about Honey. It's like the initial like track

832
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: of it was on the Girl's episode, and then the

833
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: evolution of it, just the way it becomes just this warm,

834
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: expansive song is so beautiful. And I feel like the

835
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: way that you are, the way that you're occupying all

836
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: this range between like a warmth and then like a

837
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: dryness in Dopamine where you're like, we're just singing about

838
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: we're building from the ground up, this idea that like

839
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: it's just a chemical thing. Yeah, you know, like that

840
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: is I think those are the perfect book ends for me,

841
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: like in the recent discography, So anyway.

842
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 6: That's great.

843
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 7: I think both of those songs, both Dopamine and Honey,

844
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 7: what they do have is they have a lot of rhythm.

845
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: In the words they throb.

846
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 7: There's a lot of like conversational lyrics and conversational like

847
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 7: almost like talking singing in them, and I really enjoy that.

848
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: I still get lost in Honey. I will put a

849
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: Honey on a flight, Yes, and I will. It feels

850
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: like I'm taking a bath, Yeah, and I will fall

851
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: asleep to it and I'll come back. I'll wake up

852
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: again and I'll fall back asleep.

853
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 6: Perfect.

854
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: It's it's it's for years I've done this.

855
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 7: It's kind of like that's perfect because the feeling, you know,

856
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 7: when you haven't nappened the day, when you're like in

857
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 7: that in between state and your body feels weightless.

858
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.

859
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 7: What I was trying to find when I was writing

860
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 7: it because I was in a kind of a bad

861
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 7: state myself, okay, but like a very long one, like

862
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 7: a depressions, pressure, and I was trying to have to

863
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 7: trying to find my my my so actually yeah, like

864
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 7: in a way like find my.

865
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 6: Way out of a bad spot.

866
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 7: Yes, And I couldn't see it, so I had to

867
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 7: kind of like create it. So I'm really happy to

868
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 7: hear that that still happens for you, because it happens

869
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 7: actually for me too when we.

870
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 6: Play it live now, I'm like, wow, it still really good.

871
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: Is it your favorite? Is it the one that you

872
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: play where you're like, I think this song.

873
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 6: Is my favorite one feeling myself?

874
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally totally.

875
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's that's gotta be true. Yeah,

876
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: sometimes like you must listen back and be like I

877
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: really am Robin.

878
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 6: I'm not going to agree with that. I feel that

879
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 6: that feels cheesy. But yeah, it's a good song.

880
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

881
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: Did you love playing the Brooklyn Paramount? What a cool

882
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: space that is?

883
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 6: Love playing that must have been Yeah New York is

884
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 6: I just love playing here?

885
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, book and Paramount, slanted banked floor, so it's a

886
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: good for everybody, even in the back. Yes, And the

887
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: sound is good.

888
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 7: The sound is good, although they need to, you know,

889
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 7: fix their fire alarm thing.

890
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'm happy you said it. First song will.

891
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 7: Two minutes in we were like in the in the

892
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 7: peak of missing you, and then like all sound disappears

893
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 7: and I just had to go off stage for like

894
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 7: ten minutes. But then we came back on like and

895
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 7: we did it so that we started right where we ended.

896
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 6: It was like right in the middle. It's like.

897
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: It was like raw.

898
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 6: It was a good It was a good Yeah.

899
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: They turned out the building next door, did it did

900
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: burn down? The fire alarm was real.

901
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: Sorry, wait, this is a weird question. But what's your

902
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: relationship to adrenaline?

903
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

904
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 7: Well, adrenaline is like necessary evil. I think I'm so

905
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 7: used to it because it's being nervous, right, Yeah, yeah,

906
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 7: I still get nervous, but I can define it more

907
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 7: now as an adrenaline rush. And I know I recognize it.

908
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 7: And when you do, when you go on stage, you,

909
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 7: I mean, you both know how that feels. And when

910
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 7: you do something over and over again, you after a

911
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 7: little bit at least you get used to it. If

912
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 7: you stay on it, you get used to that feeling

913
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 7: and you can kind of handle it, yeah, yeah, a little.

914
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: Bit and write it.

915
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

916
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: I almost asked it because I feel there's so much

917
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: adrenaline in your music and there's so much like, you know,

918
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: tension but release of tension, and that's like speaks directly

919
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: to adrenaline. And so I was like looking at you

920
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: and I was like, I wonder if she's never jumped

921
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: out of a.

922
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: Plane, I would never jump. So that's what I'm saying.

923
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 6: So like, I'm not an adrenaline.

924
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 7: Definitely dopamine, but that's so much nicer.

925
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 6: I mean, adrenaline is not so nice.

926
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: But they speak to each other.

927
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 7: They come always hand in hand, like little friends coming

928
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 7: together exactly.

929
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 6: I think adrenaline is like maybe like that's a.

930
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 7: Really cool thing to do a bit of blocker because

931
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 7: you can kind of then you can experience where you're

932
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 7: supposed to land after the adrenaline, and I think like

933
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 7: handling that first, you know, five minutes of the show

934
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 7: is about just managing the adrenaline until it's until.

935
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 6: You're settled in more exactly, and.

936
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 7: Just kind of imagining that place, because if you go

937
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 7: on the adrenaline, you'll just start doing Yes, it feels

938
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 7: good to go with the energy, but usually that's when

939
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 7: you like screaming a little bit too much.

940
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your instrument because it got not a hand yes.

941
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 7: And also what happens in a bad I don't know

942
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 7: if if it's the same thing with other people when

943
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 7: you're doing comedy, it's like you.

944
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 6: When you go too hort, it's like you lose each other.

945
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, yes, And if everyone pulls back, it's like

946
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 7: you can hear each other and then there's like a

947
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 7: good feedback loop instead of like the crazy one.

948
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we got to manage this thing that's like

949
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: a little bit outlining and we gotta pull it back

950
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: down yeah, or something totally. I mean I feel like

951
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: I feel like the awareness of it, though, is the

952
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: helpful thing. And that's like like even like you're writing

953
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: a song called doping. The reason I asked if it

954
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: was still called that ten years ago is because I

955
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: feel like the word has a new sort of like it's.

956
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 3: Really in vogue for us, like over the past few years,

957
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: which I.

958
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 6: Was so excited about that. I was just like, Wow,

959
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 6: this word, I can feel it. It's like so.

960
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: Relevant. Is that not the right word? But nobody's so true?

961
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And I felt that ten years ago, and

962
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 7: that's why I held on to it. And I you know,

963
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's not so good for the

964
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 7: world that we're still in that space, but I think

965
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 7: we are because of social media and I think, you know,

966
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 7: the dopamine hits that we're getting, everyone is more aware

967
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 7: about what addiction is now, which I think is a

968
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 7: great thing. But it's also because everyone has to be

969
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 7: aware of it because everyone is addicted. Yeah, yep, And

970
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 7: so yeah, this song is more relevant now than it

971
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 7: was ten years ago, which is cool.

972
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: That's really cool. No, I do think so, because yeah,

973
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: you're right. When I listened to that song, I go, yes,

974
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: it is like demystifying this thing, and it demystifies even

975
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: the addiction of like being on our phones where it's

976
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: like I think there is this like bigger movement now

977
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: of just everybody kind of being like, oh, that's let's

978
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: put that in another room. Let's put the phone in

979
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: like the closet. Yeah, it's not in my bedroom anymore.

980
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like the last person to do. I mean, like, no,

981
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: you're not. You're a pioneer of that. People do not

982
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: sleep with the phone in the other room, even if

983
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: they're saying I can't now, it's like it's dangerous. I

984
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: feel it's it's like my body is red, like the

985
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: adrenaline kicks in. We're like I got to put this away.

986
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 6: But I hope you don't feel this way about falling

987
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 6: in love.

988
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's so sweet. I don't think it does. No, No,

989
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: oh that's so nice. What makes you ask that?

990
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 7: Because I think there's almost this like, at least on

991
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 7: my feet, there's this like a version to falling in love.

992
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: Do you think it's because you think it's because there's

993
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: something societal or do you think people are just.

994
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 7: Think societal where we're like afraid of losing control. We're

995
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 7: like always decoding our physical responses to it's like we're

996
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 7: not taking it seriously, because it's just a chemical substance.

997
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 7: It's just this chain reaction in our body, and like

998
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 7: being in love is stupid or.

999
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's also hard.

1000
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's I think that's another part of

1001
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: it is it's like we are increasingly living in a

1002
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: time when things can be really easy, and relationships and

1003
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 3: love is never going to be easy.

1004
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 6: It's easy to just write it off.

1005
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah you can't say it. Yeah, yeah, you can't cheat it.

1006
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: There's there's like a decline in the feeling of awe. Yeah,

1007
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, And I truly, I

1008
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: truly I feel that whenever I listened to you. But

1009
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: I think when we went to the Barclay Show in

1010
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I certainly felt that Popper's notwithstanding like the

1011
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: problem and like when like when like the curtain drops

1012
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: and in the Honey Show or was it the curtain

1013
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: of a veil, like that's like an I'll never forget that,

1014
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: Like that's awe. I'm like, oh, oh my god, I'm

1015
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: experiencing this with a bunch of other people, and I

1016
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: do want to say this before we go. I don't

1017
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: think so, Honey, Like, I think there's something a little bit.

1018
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: I know, we all love nightlife here and like going

1019
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: out and going to the club. Something about the club

1020
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: is a little like it's not totally clicking right now

1021
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: because everyone's there for a different reason. Either you're there

1022
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: to listen to music or to connect your your friends,

1023
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: or you're there to like fuck and that's okay too,

1024
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: or you're there to do drugs and that's fine too.

1025
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: But it's just we're all there for different like the

1026
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: organizing principle there is a little bit scattered and like.

1027
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 7: I don't know because I don't go out anymore, no problem,

1028
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 7: That's just.

1029
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: How it is now where I'm like, oh, like yeah,

1030
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: like I've been out like a few times the last

1031
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: couple of months, and like they've been fine, but there's

1032
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: no there's there's there hasn't been like a sublime thing

1033
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: of like, oh my god, I had the best night

1034
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: out dancing and that's very much attainable and that happens

1035
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: all the time. But I will say going to a concert,

1036
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: everyone's there for more like the say I have a mission,

1037
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: we have a mission. We're there to enjoy a performance,

1038
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: right and and then we all leave going like that

1039
00:50:59,080 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: was amazing.

1040
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 6: Wow, that's great. You know that is cool about going

1041
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 6: to live shows. I agree.

1042
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: Do you still go to live shows?

1043
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 6: I do? I love going to live shows.

1044
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: What can you talk about some that have been like well,

1045
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: I wish.

1046
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 7: I could give you like five examples, but I'm just

1047
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 7: I just I'm a single working mom, so I don't

1048
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 7: have to but that much time. But I went to

1049
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 7: see Kaso.

1050
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 6: Do you know that bad?

1051
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: Check that out?

1052
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 6: Yes you should.

1053
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 7: That was amazing. Yeah, very all over the place. But

1054
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 7: that's their thing. That's like the only thing I've seen lately. Yeah,

1055
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 7: but I recommend it.

1056
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, good, Yeah, SOURCE think so honey, it's time.

1057
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. And this is our one minute.

1058
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: Segment where we just come in and we just tear

1059
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: something up in pop culture, not necessarily because it did anything.

1060
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Wrong, but it's just not its day. And regrettably I

1061
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: will I will start. Okay, this is Rogers. I don't think,

1062
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: so honey. His time starts now. I don't think, so honey.

1063
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: Gay guys on close friends asking do you want me

1064
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 3: to take you off?

1065
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Yes or no? It's a trap. It's a trap.

1066
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: You are the one that should be discerning about your

1067
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: close friends list, you look at it and you curate it.

1068
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: It is your close friends list. I'm sure this also

1069
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: happens heterosexually as well.

1070
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: People are like, do you want to keep looking at

1071
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: my butt?

1072
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 3: It's like now if now you yes, no, maybe it's

1073
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: like now there's a complex.

1074
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Before it was just we were all on our close friends,

1075
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: like in a vacuum where.

1076
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes I'm scrolling and whoop, there's your whole body.

1077
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: And that's just something that we're all engaging in and

1078
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: entering into. And the invisible contract that is Instagram.

1079
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: But now you've made it an actual contract that I

1080
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: have to check boxes on. No, take the onus off

1081
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: of me and put the anus back and there if

1082
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: you want it. I, by the way, I'm always gonna

1083
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: say yes, keep me on, even if I'm bothered by it.

1084
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: I want to be on it because that I feel

1085
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: left out and that I don't think so. And that's

1086
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: one minute. Oh my god, that was wow, my second

1087
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: one of the year. We're cooking. We're cooking. But you

1088
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's like sometimes it's just like.

1089
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 3: Like and you know what, bless everyone out there sharing,

1090
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: But it's just like when you ask it's like no, no, no,

1091
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to do I don't ever say now I'm

1092
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: happy to be included.

1093
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you always you always got to like you

1094
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 6: always gotta be generous.

1095
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, are you active on Instagram?

1096
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 6: I am Yeah.

1097
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: You want a lot of gay guys close friends. Yes, yes,

1098
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of like mirror of course what

1099
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Speaker 1: they allow on close friends.

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Speaker 6: But we all have in common?

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Speaker 3: Wow hoops, Yes, it's actually the culture number six. We

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Speaker 3: all have an anus in common.

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Speaker 1: That's a pluribis. That's that's the puris. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to isn't a pluribis.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So food for thought. Everyone, by the way, like.

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Speaker 3: Again, keep me on, but just I guess hide that

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Speaker 3: one close friend's story for me?

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Speaker 1: Do you want me to still be here? It's like.

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Speaker 3: We already knew you were thirsty. Now you're being thirsty

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00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: for this answer. Please you just want to get But

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Speaker 3: if you're trying to be respectful, that's good too. All right,

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Speaker 3: bone Yang, you're ready? Yeah, this is Bowen Yang's I

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Speaker 3: don't think so, honey. As time starts now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Having sex with the lights off,

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Speaker 1: turn them on, show me you see I want to see.

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Speaker 1: It's not about don't no need to be self conscious.

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00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: We're already we're we're already at that stage. There's no

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Speaker 1: need to be shy totally. Let's just trust me. I'm

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Speaker 1: into it. Even if it's even even if it's not

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Speaker 1: that great, it's it's still bad. Sex is still pretty good,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Keep it. It doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to I'm not saying blast it like this thirty second

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be overhead, can be a little bit ambient,

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Speaker 1: can be a little you know, night light there a

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Speaker 1: little totally. I'm not saying keep it. I'm not saying clinical.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I want to. I want to

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Speaker 1: see a little bit.

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Speaker 6: I want to see it all a seconds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, having sex to the lights off. I

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Speaker 1: get that it's a preference for some I I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to be able to grope around in

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Speaker 1: the light.

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Speaker 6: Not dark totally.

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Speaker 1: And and that way we're just we're we're setting ourselves

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Speaker 1: up for success for some accuracy and precision. And that's

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Speaker 1: one minute. I couldn't agree with you more. Yang.

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Speaker 3: I also feel like you know you're there to have

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Speaker 3: sex with that person. You're not there to have sex

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Speaker 3: with the idea of of a human form, do you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I just think seeing it is very sexy.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. Okay, are you ready? Yes, this is Robin's

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. All right, this is gonna rip.

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Speaker 1: I know it. Robin's time starts now.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I don't think so, honey. Well, I always hated

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Speaker 7: Elon Musk, you know, I always hate him, way before

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00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 7: it was like cool to hate him, yes, because there

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00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 7: was a time where there wasn't cool to hate him.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I don't know, maybe we didn't think.

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00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 7: About him that much at least, but you know what

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 7: happened for me, I started hating him when he put

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Speaker 7: a Tesla into space with a David Bowie song on it.

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Speaker 7: He actually shot a car into space, as if there

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Speaker 7: wasn't like enough shit floating around my Okay. So this

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Speaker 7: is the thing. I think there should be democracy in space.

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Speaker 7: There should be democracy on Earth too, yes, which we

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Speaker 7: really maybe don't even have.

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Speaker 6: At the moment.

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Speaker 7: But the fact that anyone or any like commercial company

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Speaker 7: can decide what to do with like natural resources and

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Speaker 7: also do tacky things like sending a stupid fucking car

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Speaker 7: into space.

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Speaker 6: That's also dangerous for people.

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Speaker 7: Like think about the astronauts that are like up there

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Speaker 7: in like the International Space Station and they don't really

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Speaker 7: know what's going to hit them or whatever. Like I

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Speaker 7: just think it's like, can we all just like have

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Speaker 7: a vote on whoever gets to do anything?

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Speaker 3: And that's one minute, but keep going because I honestly,

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Speaker 3: like I so agree, almost everything he does now makes

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Speaker 3: my skin crawl. And what really bugs me about like

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Speaker 3: it was just a core thing of what you said

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Speaker 3: is when any old person thinks that just because a

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 3: song is out there and you can you can stream

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Speaker 3: it or by it, that you can use it for

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Speaker 3: your Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that he like.

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Speaker 7: The best song in the world and he put on

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Speaker 7: his just to sell cars it was space.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, Okay, Bowie like.

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Speaker 1: No, that's not what he was talking about. Whatever you think, No, no,

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Speaker 1: whatever you think, you can't talk about David Bowie exactly.

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Speaker 1: He turned in his grave. You're right, it's not safe

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Speaker 1: for the people who are up there. You're an astronaut

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Speaker 1: doing working your whole life to be an astronaut. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, a fucking model y comes barreling towards

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Speaker 1: you exactly with an iPad for a fucking dashboard.

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Speaker 6: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: No way, no way?

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Speaker 6: What's the name?

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Speaker 1: I don't know he did that?

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Speaker 6: No, he did that.

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Speaker 1: What's the name of hes done so many of It's

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Speaker 1: the name of.

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Speaker 7: An amazing movie with brown, beautiful woman. It's lost in space.

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Speaker 7: She's twirling around ravity.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 7: That comes instead of it was like.

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Speaker 6: It's like stake Dall and like a David Bowie song.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. She is so brilliant in that.

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Speaker 6: But I also think we should hit on Jeff Bezos.

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 6: It, he also did that.

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00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 7: He went up to space, up in space, and then

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Speaker 7: he came down and he put out on whatever social

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Speaker 7: media he was like, now I realized that we really

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Speaker 7: have to protect this beautiful pearl in the universe. I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 7: so you had to like destroy the human race, like

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Speaker 7: destroy the environment too late to do up so that

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Speaker 7: we all could have you realize this thing that everyone

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Speaker 7: else understands. Nobody else had to do that to get

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Speaker 7: that this is important.

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Speaker 3: Now that I've cut off my leg, I realize it'd

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Speaker 3: be better to have two.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. But also it's not your leg, it's everybody.

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Speaker 1: Oh the one leg we share.

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Speaker 3: All these all these guys are missing something like that

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Speaker 3: line of billionaires that was behind Trump when he was inaugurated.

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Speaker 1: They're all they are without.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they are without out and I think that there

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Speaker 3: are so many people who are without in some way,

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Speaker 3: not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: The way they are without.

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Speaker 3: I do believe they are without souls and also like

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Speaker 3: like a function that like an empathy, empathetic function. But

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Speaker 3: I think that there is an idea that that is

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Speaker 3: in some way aspirational because it's a it's a it helps.

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Speaker 1: You be the best capitalist.

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Speaker 3: If you don't care, then you're going to be the

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Speaker 3: most successful because you didn't care to begin with. So

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Speaker 3: you're not going to have any checkpoints. Well they don't,

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Speaker 3: and you might find that you might have stanned that person,

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 3: but suddenly you're realizing, oh wait, you do have an

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01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: emotional checkpoint, and that's good, but you are too late,

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: are and it is fucked up and you should feel bad,

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01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: and it's okay that people feel bad. Yeah, I will

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 3: also say that, yeah, everyone being like, huh, I have

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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: buyer's remorse with the Trump thing. I used to stand elon.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't know, feel bad, feel bad, It's fine,

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01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: it's fine. This is just to revive one of Matt's

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01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: old catchphrases, which was precious one. You're without, precious one,

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01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: you are without, you are without. It's a way to

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01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: get empathy. But let people know. People know that they're

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01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: lacking precious one, you are without. Who's not lacking is

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01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: our guests or us. Now that we're going to have

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Speaker 1: an album soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and all your work, which is so important to

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01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: us and so important to anyone who loves music. I'm

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01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: telling you, like, it's just so cool for us to

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01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 3: be able to say that we have platform that you

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01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: would want to come hang out with that song, Like,

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Speaker 3: it's truly one of the moments of the podcast that

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01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 3: we're like, I can't believe that it's come this far.

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Speaker 1: You're just the best.

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Speaker 7: I love you, guys. I love you for having me

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Speaker 7: on here. I listen to you all the time. That's

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 7: so wild that you're saying all of this to my face.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we love you. Okay, Well, we end every episode

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Speaker 1: with a song, and if you do me right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let me keep it. I'm gonna it was great.

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Speaker 6: It was greeky, I just it was too high for me.

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Speaker 1: So last Culture Recis is the production by Will Ferrell's

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Speaker 1: Big Money Players and I Hurt radio.

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Speaker 3: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt and Bowen Yang, executive

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: produced by Anna Hasbier and produced by Becca Ramos.

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Speaker 1: Edited and mixed by Doug Bine and our music is

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Speaker 1: by Henry Koberski