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Speaker 1: Podcast announcement starts. Now, what's up, everybody. It's Sam and

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Speaker 1: I'm here with some official business. That's right, podcasts can

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Speaker 1: have official business to grow up. But seriously, I have

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Speaker 1: an announcement, a few announcements. First up, we are doing

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Speaker 1: a special episode for Thanksgiving. We're doing an Earnestness Bonanza, which,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, is when George and I drop

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Speaker 1: the bit and we are as earnest as we can

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Speaker 1: possibly be while answering your questions. So you can email

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Speaker 1: us questions at Stradio Lab at gmail dot com. VI

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Speaker 1: do that. In the next few weeks. We're going to

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Speaker 1: record relatively shortly, so get those questions in for our

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Speaker 1: earnest to bonanza, and we are gonna you know, ironic

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Speaker 1: attachment found dead in a ditch. It's only being sincere,

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Speaker 1: so email us, ask us whatever. And we're excited for that.

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Speaker 1: And then we have three live shows. Okay, that's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but it's true. Three live shows. The first one is

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Speaker 1: on November ninth at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn, New York City,

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Speaker 1: City that Never Sleep, as part of the New York

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Speaker 1: Comedy Festival. And we just announced the lineup, which is

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Speaker 1: to die for it's Macy Rodman, River El Ramirez, Rajat

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Speaker 1: Sish and Jeremy Levick. That's gonna be huge. And then

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Speaker 1: we have two shows in La Los Angeles, Baby Hollywood, California.

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Speaker 1: The first one is a part of Vulturefest that is

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Speaker 1: on November twelfth at six pm. We're doing a special

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Speaker 1: format for that, which I'll announce soon. And then we're

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Speaker 1: doing a classic Tradio Lab live on November fourteenth at

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Speaker 1: the Allsion Theater damn crazy, and we'll announce line ups

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Speaker 1: for those soon. But tickets are available right this second.

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Speaker 1: Either go to those websites or go to our We

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Speaker 1: have them in our Instagram bio, which is pretty punk

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Speaker 1: rock of us. Actually, I guess punk rock is alive

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Speaker 1: and well and it's in our Instagram bio. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: think that's everything. Enjoy this episode. I think you know.

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Speaker 1: I can say without any doubt or question that it

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Speaker 1: is one of the greatest potodcasting episodes of all time.

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Speaker 1: And that's it. Okay, have fun by.

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Speaker 2: All right, okay to it.

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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Hello everyone, and welcome to Stradia Lab.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, the podcast has in fact started.

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Speaker 2: I here's what I'll say. You know, the last We've

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Speaker 2: been recording on weekends recently because of my demands to

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Speaker 2: I need, you know, I need to be kind of

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Speaker 2: holding a cup of coffee, feeling relaxed, like having woken

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Speaker 2: up at eleven AM. And the last two weekends, I

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Speaker 2: would say, not only have I bragged about how good

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Speaker 2: almost laughed at Sam every time I've got in that air,

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Speaker 2: I've said, ah, who is this hungover bitch? You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm so much I'm so in such a better mood.

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Speaker 2: I've eaten a croissant. I feel so good. And now

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Speaker 2: I'm coming to you the third weekend in a row.

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Speaker 2: And you know what they got me.

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Speaker 1: They got you the way that you were gloating previous

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Speaker 1: episodes about how this is the only right way to

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Speaker 1: and now here it is a Sunday. We are both

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Speaker 1: hurting emotionally, physically and spiritually, even psychologically.

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Speaker 2: Intellectually, I can't think of words. I really you know,

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Speaker 2: and listen Hubris, of course, as someone who is Greek

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Speaker 2: with as as something something to avoid. Sure, and of

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Speaker 2: course I betrayed my ancestors by over the last two

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Speaker 1: I mean, and now here we are. What you're saying

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Speaker 2: Going to be using me as the example he was saying.

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Speaker 1: kept telling his lovable co host that it was a

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Speaker 2: Do you think, now that we really have both experiences,

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Speaker 2: do you think it's better to record? This is so

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Speaker 2: record after a day of like intellectual labor? You know,

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Speaker 1: I I genuinely okay, it's it's it's hard. It's hard

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't feel free on Tuesday night. And

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Speaker 2: It's also everything. All of those things are proxies for

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Speaker 2: That's how they turn each other on. That's how they

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Speaker 1: The salad simply did not get me off, and I

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Speaker 1: It's also like so bratty to be like my salad,

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Speaker 1: Like you guys forgot my salad. It's like I wish

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Speaker 1: This is like this is like current era David Sidara's stuff,

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Speaker 2: Well that's what we're all aging into. When people why

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Speaker 2: this if you're not on Twana. Approximately every two months,

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Speaker 2: some clip of David Sarenes that is meant for people

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Speaker 2: to be like, you're all going to become David Sedaris.

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Speaker 1: Oh honey, it's happening quick. I mean, those eighty year

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Speaker 1: old people need David, you know, they need him to

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Speaker 2: And also, don't they don't lie and say David made you, honey,

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Speaker 2: would without without? Are you kidding me? Just because you

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Speaker 2: put a little twist on the David sendaris ethos, now

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Speaker 2: you think you're different. You're literally you're literally just David Sadaris,

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Speaker 2: but you also but you also do poppers.

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Speaker 1: There was a direct line of David Snaris all the

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Speaker 2: Charlie xcs there without David Sadaris, that cannot be Charlie

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Speaker 1: Like people forty years ago had never heard of anal sex.

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Speaker 1: Now they're having it constantly. That is because of David Scenaris.

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Speaker 2: When straight people say the word twink, that's like a

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Speaker 1: It is because of David Sondaris. And yes, maybe he's

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Speaker 1: not making the radical changes he was, He's not doing

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Speaker 2: Of course, I mean early Sedaris, of course, I mean

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Speaker 2: more of a kind of Hillary would have won type

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Speaker 1: Do you hear that your parents makes David Stars look

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Speaker 1: like Ralph Nader. That's what we're saying, So think about

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Speaker 2: Actually it's literally like how you for you? Salad was sex?

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Speaker 1: Right? And instead we are in fact standing David Sadaris

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Leangthton. How are you feeling today? What's sort of

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Speaker 3: Listen, you guys started off by saying you were hungover.

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Speaker 3: We're in the same We're in the same boat here.

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Speaker 3: I went to a wedding, I did drugs. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: People don't talk about the fact that now weddings are

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I can't. I can't be pressed up against

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Speaker 1: Wow. This is actually my first time hearing the weddings

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Speaker 2: Last wedding I went to, truly, it was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: We we handed out molly at our wedding. We we

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Speaker 3: I heard your your your rolling, I'd be like, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Wow? Actually, all I want to do is do molly

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Speaker 2: Like that's amazing. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean think about it. I like you uncles specifically,

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Speaker 2: I think that's my design.

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Speaker 3: I think you do the molly with your uncles, and

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Speaker 3: I think you agree ahead of time that whatever you

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Speaker 2: See to me, it's like I want to do molly

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Speaker 2: girls that are in a sorority or not. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: either they're really cool girls or they're like kind of

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Speaker 1: Wait, I definitely want to go to a sorority at

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Speaker 3: That statement would be very different for you and dial.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think definitely yeah different. That's really implies something different,

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Speaker 2: I there is a lot of privilege. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: If a Strake I did this, he would quite literally

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, I'd lose everything.

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Speaker 2: If if someone that truly worked at like a firm

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Speaker 3: It literally is a flag of hey, that's just a

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Speaker 3: I see, I see the difference in that state of being.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Great, it's very much like, oh, he's allowed. It's

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Speaker 2: like if a if a white woman posts a photo

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Speaker 2: that's you know, that's the equivalent of you know, an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that's a gay dashiki as far as

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Speaker 3: I'm concerned, that's exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's it's coming for you.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I wish I had that kind of confidence.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's great that y'all are are are

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Speaker 2: You know, can I ask you something? And I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: if this setting, people have asked you often. You very

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Speaker 3: I I to this day the people who thirst after

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, they people will do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people actually will do that.

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Speaker 2: People don't talk about when they talk about like representation

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Speaker 1: It's like it's also.

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Speaker 3: And the fucked up thing that Hollywood does is that

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Speaker 3: no issue with the roles. I enjoyed the work. I

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Speaker 3: me the fuck out of it because it's not helping me.

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Speaker 3: Somebody else, you know, to do this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, if only Timothy shallow May and Jared

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Speaker 1: You know, you're doing so much for the community.

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Speaker 2: Actually, but it really you're being you were. You were

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Speaker 3: I feel, yeah, I was fully in it.

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Speaker 2: I guess he's mine.

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Speaker 3: Or I guess he's willing to hear me out. I

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Speaker 3: don't even know if that he'll means I was by.

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Speaker 3: They were just like, I bet, yeah, I bet he'll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he read those lines, so he must want

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not gonna he's not gonna yell at

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Speaker 2: Yes exactly. Yeah, well that's okay. But this is also

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Speaker 3: That's just how they say hi.

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Speaker 2: I bet you. Even even if you complained about it,

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Speaker 3: And that's the biggest issue is that I can't even

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Speaker 3: not only have played the role, not only except the holes,

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Speaker 2: And to this day you respond thank you to each

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Speaker 3: You can't thank you for your whole. Wow, your whole

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You send handwritten thank you cards every Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so powerful. This is really made me realize

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Speaker 2: It does make you think, what are they expect? I mean,

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, maybe my hole is the one that

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Speaker 3: You know he keeps posting pictures of his infant daughter.

436
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 3: I bet my whole can change that. I bet my

437
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 3: whole could make him leave that that baby behind her

438
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: for a whole.

439
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: You know what, though, even after even after having this conversation,

440
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm still like, good for them, Yeah, they were keeping

441
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 2: the dream alive.

442
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 3: It is the thing that I respect most about gay

443
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,719
Speaker 3: men is like the y'all shoot your shots like it

444
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 3: truly is a culture that supports all of the problematic

445
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: behavior that happens to hundred eat interactions with women. But

446
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 3: y'all are like a shoot your shot dog. It doesn't

447
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 3: matter where. We'll accept it or we won't, and we'll

448
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 3: we'll group chat about it and move on with our lives.

449
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some people where it's like, no matter how

450
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: humiliating something is, basically it's forgotten within like two seconds

451
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: because someone else has done something even more.

452
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

453
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: I got actually a really weird message one time that

454
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: it feels relevant to this conversation where it was a

455
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: guy pouring pudding all over his head like he was

456
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: he and his head head on his head, like on

457
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: his he was naked and had a big bowl of

458
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: pudding on his head and while doing so got hard

459
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 1: and like was sort of like breathing weird and directly

460
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: he sent this directly to me, And this was like

461
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: before the podcast, Like it was sort of like if

462
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: you know me, like like.

463
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: How like I'm not like, yeah, he saw you at

464
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: Union Hall.

465
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Right literally, like it was like what show for fifty people?

466
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: Did you happen to be in the audience for it?

467
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: But it was like, let me.

468
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: Ask this, what do you believe that he already had

469
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 3: the pudding video or did he make that specific for you?

470
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: M I mean I think Sam's like I never thought

471
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: about that before.

472
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: I thought it was just for me.

473
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really.

474
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: Thought it was just I thought I was a special boy.

475
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what this is, but you're one.

476
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: Hundred percent right. Bet He's like kind of casting a

477
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: wide nut and sort of seeing who gets you.

478
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Speaker 3: In the pudding? Where am I putting boys at.

479
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: Out there? Somewhere.

480
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: So it was a bucket of a large thing of.

481
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: A large bowl of putting that he pulled on his head,

482
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: which means like more questions like did he like empty

483
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of little cups of pudding?

484
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: And the number one question yeah.

485
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: Or four? He emptied into one bowl.

486
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: And said, that's commitment. I mean, that's so much time

487
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: spent on a very niche fetish. But hey, you know

488
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: you got the time.

489
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: I see what you do. You want that to be

490
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: special to you, and I respect that if you do,

491
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: if it's all that I wanted to be special, yeah, I.

492
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: Mean it means more. I mean it's kind of like

493
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: when someone is being even even in a platonic non

494
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: sexual way, when someone is kind of like you know,

495
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: talking to a lot at a party, or even like, Okay,

496
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: this happened, Sam, this happened yesterday to both of us.

497
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: Where there was someone a good acquaintance of ours, I

498
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: would say, someone who kept kind of every time he

499
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: would be talking to someone, he would be very tactile,

500
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: like touching like the back of their neck and like

501
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: going very close. And each time when it was you,

502
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: you were like, maybe it's me, Maybe he loves me.

503
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: And then you would see him kind of going through

504
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: every single other man. Yeah.

505
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 3: We uh for pause with Sam Jay. At one point

506
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: we had these two very buff gay dudes playing like

507
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: her gay security guards for a big and one of

508
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: them was arguably the most gorgeous human being I've ever

509
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: seen in my life, like objectively, just a fucking god

510
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: amongst men. And he wouldn't talk to me like, he

511
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: wouldn't like you know what I mean, Like he was

512
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: very like, yeah, you wouldn't say hi. He wouldn't like yeah,

513
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, good job, bro, and he wouldn't.

514
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 3: He would just and like move on. And it hurt

515
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: my feeling so bad because I just wanted him to

516
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: like me, because he's said, you know, he's fucking gorgeous,

517
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: please big gorgeous man like.

518
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: Me, And he wouldn't.

519
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: Wouldn't Like it's tough. When it's really tough, when you

520
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: can so clearly tell someone isn't talking to you because

521
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 2: they're more.

522
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: Attractive, that's what the moment really like.

523
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: And it does happen like obviously, like it happens everywhere,

524
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: but it does especially happen in gay spaces when you're like, oh,

525
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: I see you actually don't see me.

526
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh okay, I don't exist, all right, Yeah.

527
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah there was last night, Sam, were you there? This

528
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: was Sam and I were at gay bar yesterday like

529
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: during the day and this was maybe like six pm,

530
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: but a separate group. There were just three muscle uh

531
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: musty guys just kind of forming a triangle and they

532
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 2: kept each just making out with the other and then

533
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: turning and making out with the one next them, then

534
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: the other would. It was just like it kept going

535
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 2: in a circle. But it was so like streamlined and

536
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: choreographed that it didn't even seem sexual.

537
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: And it was just like and now you I know,

538
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: I obviously clocked that instantly and was it was insane.

539
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: I was so into it. I was so jealous. I

540
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: was like, look at you guys sitting up a little

541
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: da time threesome, like.

542
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 2: Literally on the sidewalk at six pm.

543
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: And like almost being like tasteful about it, like not

544
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: being like we'reed.

545
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: And crazy, like would not be surprised if they were

546
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: all sober, Like it was just like, okay.

547
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: That's sick work. Then that's not good.

548
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, we're going back in all right, we

549
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: are back.

550
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: You know, we had we had a technical difficulty for

551
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: those listening, and we're not going to address it. So

552
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: we're back.

553
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: So we're back, and actually what's amazing is we're going

554
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: to do our first segment, and Langston. Our first segment

555
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: is called straight Shooters, and in this segment, we gauge

556
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture by asking

557
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: a series of rapid fire questions basically this thing or

558
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: this other thing. The only rule is you can't ask

559
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: any followup questions about how the game works, and it's

560
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: not supposed to make sense, So get that out of

561
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: your head right now.

562
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, I'm in George.

563
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Do you want to kick us off?

564
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: Yes, I shall. This is so much more dramatic with

565
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: my camera off.

566
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: Yes, it's got real big brother energy.

567
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: No one can tell if I'm making kind of a

568
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: face making fun of them, all right, Langston, a framed

569
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: print or a famed stint in a luxury rehab facility

570
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: for exhaustion, Give me that framed print.

571
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: Okay, Langston. Weird flex but okay, or she's giving nothing

572
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a.

573
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: Sleigh weird flex but okay.

574
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Langston. The Fall of the Roman Empire or the

575
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: rise of pickleball, the fall.

576
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: Of Roman Empire.

577
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Okay, mortal enemies or immortal pals aka best friends forever.

578
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: Immortal pals best friends.

579
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: For the super Bowl, or the decorative plate.

580
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm going with the grittive plate, all right, yeah, Okay,

581
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: silver springs by Fleetwood Mac or golden showers by a

582
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: consenting partner. I'm going Fleetwood Mac, give me, give me Fleetwood.

583
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: Well, Okay, a MacArthur genius grant or Old McDonald had

584
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: a farm.

585
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

586
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: I just like the way you say McDonald's I'm gonna

587
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: go Old McDonald.

588
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Had a farm, Okay, knowing all that glitters is not

589
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: gold or finding out all that glitters is not gold

590
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: when you were today years.

591
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: Old the first one. I'm not saying all that back.

592
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: But.

593
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: Wow, Lank said, I think that was an incredible performance.

594
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. You know, train for things like

595
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: this and yes, that's right, Yeah, that's why we practice.

596
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: You know. That really felt almost like a performance of

597
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: what a podcas cast segment would feel like. Like there's

598
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: something about that particular one, that run of it where

599
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I sound like a podcast person,

600
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: Like I sound like I'm doing like a a segment

601
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: on a podcast in.

602
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: A way that could be a rude awake. We like

603
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: to think of ourselves as I can think of ourselves

604
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: kind of ironically podcasting not quite you know, everything has industry.

605
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 3: Of course, you're both hosting the Daily to me, you

606
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: know you're both Michael Babarro's as far as I'm.

607
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: Concerned, I mean, he's a huge figure in this pod

608
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: and a mentee of both of ours, actually a mentee.

609
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: He's studying under your tutle.

610
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's getting there, but you know.

611
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not ready for it to be on area yet.

612
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: For us, I want to believe that you guys are

613
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: the ones that taught him to uh to go hmmm

614
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: whenever somebody's talking.

615
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael in many ways is so relevant to

616
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: our podcast because he was a formerly gay man who

617
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: now is married to a woman.

618
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: Is that true?

619
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: WHOA I'm not, I'm not. I don't know how he identifies,

620
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: but I do know that he was I believe, either

621
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: married or long term partnered with a man and then

622
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: fell in love with his producer who was a woman.

623
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: And now I think they're definitely together and maybe have

624
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. If they have kids but they're together.

625
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, Yeah, pretty thrilling.

626
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 2: Michael barbars kind of this thing that kind of this

627
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: thing that has been written about in literally like so

628
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: many articles and yet no one really it never stuck.

629
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: It's like this strange thing where like no one really

630
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: knows about it, even though it's kind of like a

631
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: salacious piece of gossip.

632
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: Well, he's also like one of those figures where it's

633
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: like I don't know anything about him period, you know

634
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like I don't Yeah, I'm not looking

635
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: up Michael Barbar you know what I mean, Like I

636
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: don't care with that.

637
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

638
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

639
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: One time I started looking up Terry Gross and I

640
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: was like, actually I'd rather not.

641
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

642
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to wait, I don't

643
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: want to know if she's married, and I don't want

644
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: to know like where she's from.

645
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: Like is this gonna make my my day better? No? Yeah,

646
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: it could only slow me down to learn about these individuals.

647
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: You know what, Michael Barbroo think annoys me. I hate

648
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: the here's what else you need to know today? He

649
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: like luxuriates and saying that so much, and like it's

650
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: like he's like here's what else you need to know today?

651
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: And is it always reminds me you need to know today.

652
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he's like trying to find like different

653
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: like melodies for it, and it's like calm down, like

654
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: deliver the news, okay, don't like sing me a song now.

655
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: It's very like, uh, you know, the podcast equivalent of

656
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: like seeing a theater actor who's clearly like doing Juilliard, Like, yes,

657
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: we know you've studied, you know you are clearly like

658
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: making a choice.

659
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Here here's my I I do think that at some

660
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: point he became self aware inside.

661
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Of the bit. I completely agree, you know what I mean.

662
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: Like, I think the first couple episodes he was he

663
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's just how he talked, and it

664
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: had some weird intonations. But then at some point he

665
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: heard people making fun of him, he was like, well,

666
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: now I will I will wear that badge proudly and

667
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: do it worse than I did before.

668
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

669
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: I mean he is in that sense doing almost like

670
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: a Nathan for you type cringe comedy for that.

671
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always how I would describe the daily.

672
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a Nathan for you of podcam.

673
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: It's a satire of a daily news podcast.

674
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: It really is, though. I mean when he does his reactions,

675
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: like when someone is talking and he goes.

676
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: M.

677
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: Damn, but it's always them saying something real regular and

678
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: he's like yes, Like people are being like, well, you know,

679
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: the election is next year, and.

680
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: He's like, I hope he starts doing that.

681
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah he should, he should start.

682
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Damn.

683
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: Okay, say that, say that so the mintors are coming up,

684
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: say that, speak on it, speak on it.

685
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Wow. Man, we should be producers on that show.

686
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: I completely agree.

687
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: I think you gotta be producers. And I think you

688
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: gotta fall in love with him and start a different

689
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: kind of family.

690
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know, he's done gay, he's done straight.

691
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: Time to do Polly. It's actually it's time for Sam

692
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: Me and Michael Barbara to be those three hot guys

693
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: at the bar.

694
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: Six pm, so sob six pm.

695
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: And while the other one's kissing, you gotta go yeah.

696
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: Well two of them are kissing. The third one is like, okay,

697
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: say that. Wow, Wow, should we introduce our topic.

698
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: I think we should absolutely get into our topic today.

699
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: You know, I'll say this before we do that. It

700
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: is so tempting right now to turn my camera on

701
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: because everything is going well, and yet I know in

702
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: my heart that if I do that, things will stop

703
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: going well. And I just wanted to put that tension

704
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: out there and kind of address it for what it was.

705
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Well, you know what that is?

706
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: You know?

707
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: Do you know the preparedness paradox? No, So it's like

708
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: when you over prepare for something like like, then that's

709
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: the thing you're fearing doesn't happen, and you feel like, oh,

710
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: I wasted. I overprepared. But if you underprepare, then the

711
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: thing that you are trying to avoid happening does happen.

712
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: So I'm does that make sense?

713
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

714
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm nodding. You can't talk again, my camera is on.

715
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: That makes perfect sense. There's so many times where I'm like,

716
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: I didn't even have to do all that, but I

717
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: definitely need to do all that, Yeah, to make sure

718
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: I didn't fail miserably.

719
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

720
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lesson for everyone working at Verizon in charge

721
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 2: of my home's internet. You can never over prepare when

722
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: setting it up, so next time, you know what, reach higher?

723
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because George will have to move in order to

724
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 1: get good internet.

725
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 2: I literally will move.

726
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: I swear to God, Like, yeah, I don't think you

727
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: can live like this forever.

728
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: It's just crazy, all right, Langston, we would love for

729
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: you to introduce your topic and maybe say a little

730
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: bit about well, I think it's straight.

731
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, well, and I think introduce it and I

732
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: think we can all talk about how we can talk

733
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: to it today.

734
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: But let's introduce what it.

735
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: Is, okay. The topic is is poetry, poetry, poetry, poetry,

736
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: And you know, full disclosure, I did kind of I

737
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: put that on you.

738
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: You joined and I said, I want you to talk

739
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: about poetry because.

740
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: You said, listen, bitch, this is this is your topic. Yeah,

741
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: And I said, George, and you said, shut the fuck up,

742
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: this is your topic.

743
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: Langston. Really I heard Sin say like, I don't even

744
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: know if it counts as a I don't even know

745
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: if this is And George said, I want you to

746
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: talk about poetry, and that's final. And but I do

747
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: think Langston you were a little hesitant because you were like,

748
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was straight.

749
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was called gay for a long time.

750
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: I see what you I see what you would think

751
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: that for sure?

752
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: Yes, for for doing poetry. Though it blew my mind

753
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: away that that this was a straight thing.

754
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: George, and you actually did push it as a straight topic,

755
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: so I would love to hear maybe what what you

756
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: were thinking about it.

757
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to me, it's like poetry. Okay, I'll

758
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: say this, poetry as an art form I accept is queer.

759
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's like you are playing with language.

760
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: It's not literal. It is of course has a history

761
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: of literally essentially how closeted people speak is for poetry.

762
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: You know, there's no denying that I think. And I'm

763
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: kind of thinking through this in real time, so if

764
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense, then you know, go off me.

765
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: But I think that the kind of afterlife of poetry.

766
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking readings at weddings. I'm thinking Ruby Carr, the

767
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: instagram poet. I'm thinking, you know, like Instagrams where people

768
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: will post, you know, three lines scribbled on a piece

769
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: of paper. I'm trying to think. It's also kind of

770
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: very like the moody Guy. It's almost like adjacent to

771
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: like an acoustic guitar, something a guy does to impress

772
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: a girl.

773
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that that is one hundred percent.

774
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: One of the the leading causes for my entering poetry

775
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: was just really just trying to impress girls that I

776
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: was I was either in love with or thought I

777
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: was as a fucking, you know, eighth grader. Whatever the fuck.

778
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: Did it work? Oh? Never?

779
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: Once?

780
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: Not once? No.

781
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: All he got out of it was whole picks.

782
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're got.

783
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: Zero hole front door back from those ladies.

784
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: Wow.

785
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: I definitely see the Like, Okay, George, you're pointing the

786
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: two things, the intersection of ins and poetry. Yeah, that

787
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: is like pinterest vibes that it is very straight, like

788
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: the aesthetic of poetry where it's like it's not about

789
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: like reading it and being like moved by it, it's

790
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: about like, doesn't isn't this a cozy feeling? Like, doesn't

791
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: give me cozy?

792
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: I think plagiarism sounds like the straight element of poetry.

793
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: It's just taking the words of somebody who was, you know,

794
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: actually dealing in these flowery thoughts and then being like this,

795
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 3: this is how I feel about my mom. That's yeah,

796
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: that's my mom.

797
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: And it's also like there's all these kind of obvious

798
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: poems that make their way around every you know, Valentine's

799
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: Day poems, like poems associated with holidays. It's a sort

800
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: of shorthand. It's a kind of easy way to project

801
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: something artsy.

802
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Right.

803
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a way of pretending that you've read more

804
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: than you have. Yes, Like every if you if you

805
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: post a poem or a fucking quote from a poem,

806
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: I think you've read like a bunch of books this year,

807
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: and I you know down, you know you haven't.

808
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: I want to know Langston, when you were in you

809
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: went to did you go to school for poetry?

810
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: I went to. Yeah, I have a a MFA in poetry.

811
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: So how was that in terms of like the how

812
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: are the vibes?

813
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: Oh? There were there were a vibe baby. No, yeah,

814
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: we it's a weird education because you just are with

815
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: this tiny cohort I attend. There were nine nine other

816
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: people in the classroom. Uh, and so we just would

817
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: meet up twice a week and critique each other's poems

818
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: and and then uh part ways Like that was the

819
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: gig for however the fuck along I had to do it?

820
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: Would you say the that would a poetry m F

821
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: a program count more straight or gay?

822
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: Oh?

823
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking the question.

824
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: You're asking the tough ones. And uh, I'd say, if

825
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: I'm following some of what George is putting down, I'd

826
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: say it's more straight than it is gay. Yeah, I

827
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: think I think it's it's very sort of like stringent

828
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: in its its processes, and it really is like the

829
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: the study of the word once you start studying and ship,

830
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: I don't I don't really associate that with gay culture.

831
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: That's yeah, y'all seem freer than that. Yeah, no, you're

832
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 3: both dumb idiots. That's what I've always.

833
00:41:51,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Believed education people. Well you didn't, right, Yes, yeah, I

834
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: mean the queer element of poetry is how improps you know,

835
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: how God, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, not improvisational,

836
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: but like, you know, it just flows out of you.

837
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a way to express things that

838
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: can't be expressed pros you know, that kind of thing.

839
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: And then yes, when you study it, it's almost like

840
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: you're trying to create rules for something that should be

841
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, lawless, someone lawless.

842
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, no, I the queer version of it is

843
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: is guy who stands up on a on a cafeteria

844
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: table and just starts saying a poem out in front

845
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: of everybody, and and boys, it a good poem and

846
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: everybody loves the energy of it. But the you know,

847
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: the straight version is like a I've got a journal

848
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: with three versions of the poem written out. One I'd

849
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: like better than the other kind of thing.

850
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 2: And I'll say this like, in terms of the place

851
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: of poetry in our current world, I think, for instance,

852
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: something that is straight is kind of suburban moms loving

853
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: amandaman Ah.

854
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah that is real.

855
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, she that is. I think Amanda Gorman maybe the

856
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 3: straightest poet ever in history. Yeah, for sure.

857
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was such a weird thing when it was

858
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: like it was strange she did it, and then everyone

859
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I've always loved poetry my whole life.

860
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: This is this woman I can tell as a genius

861
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: poet and I love her. And it was like you

862
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: what are what is anyone talking about?

863
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do you feel for her? Because she was

864
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: put in this impossible position where she was like twenty

865
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: two I think when it happened, and like you know,

866
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: she's still like working through like her style and and

867
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: what she wants to say, and then suddenly now she

868
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: is forced to write. There was like I read somewhere

869
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: she like wrote some kind of poem that was commissioned

870
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 2: about like climate change, and you could just tell you know,

871
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: she doesn't know much about climate change yet she's young,

872
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: she's in her early twenties. Yeah, she was really kind

873
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: of like rhyming polar bears with you.

874
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: Know, molar hairs. Yeah, she has a children's book. Now

875
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 3: that that's a thing. Like there's so many, so many

876
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 3: versions of the the thing that she's now obligated to

877
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: do because she was invited for a very stupid thing

878
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: in the first place. Like, who the fust funny stuffy

879
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: at any of these things?

880
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, tuly, I mean, it's funny to see the afterlife

881
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: of the two breakout stars of the inauguration, which was

882
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: Ella m Hoff and Amanda Gorman. Suddenly Amanda Gorman has

883
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: to write poems about climate change twenty four to seven,

884
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: and Ella m Hoff is a full on runway model

885
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, maybe just let this be its

886
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: own moment, Like the inauguration is over.

887
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to keep

888
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 3: obligating this girl to doing dumb stuff. Let her be free, Let.

889
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: Her be free.

890
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am I actually get embarrassed thinking

891
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: about like being in college and thinking like being like

892
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: like loving to pretend, not pretend but like loving to

893
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: like get really into poetry, Like I would like love

894
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: to like get a book and like be like, oh,

895
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm like just sorry, I'm reading a book of poems

896
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: right now. I'm just like really feeling a lot of feelings,

897
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: like life is so crazy and I'm like nineteen, yeah,

898
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: and it was so embarrassing as a thing, and I

899
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: am trying to decide whether that is gay or straight,

900
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: but I almost think straight because you're like wanting to

901
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: appear like ye, you're keeping of appearances of like intellectual

902
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: rather than like being intellectual.

903
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: Were you out at that point? Were you?

904
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: I was one foot in, one foot out?

905
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, that was straight, baby, that was you.

906
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 3: That was you giving up that that little straight jacket

907
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: for right at the end where you're not, I'm still

908
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: I still might need to try to get pussies, so

909
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 3: maybe this will be.

910
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: That was very much like I'm never gonna wear a

911
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: speed Oh, I'm gonna read poems.

912
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: And it was like, no, bitch, poetry, Like I feel

913
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to think if there's other there are

914
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: other things like this, but it's almost like poetry cannot

915
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: exist outside your preconceptions about poetry it's almost like impossible

916
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: to just read a poem for what it is without

917
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: being like, I am reading poetry totalugh, you know what

918
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: I mean totally.

919
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

920
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I also think a newspaper is similar. I can consume

921
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: the news in plenty ways, but if I'm reading a newspaper,

922
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is crazy. Look like reading a newspaper.

923
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: Like I can lose myself in a book. I can

924
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: lose myself in an album. I can, you know, even

925
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: go to a museum. But there are certain things where

926
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: you're just very aware. Yes, part of the movie where

927
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: you are reading a poem.

928
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a I have an entire master's degree

929
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: in this shit, and I one hundred percent agree with you.

930
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: The entire time. I was like poetry, huh, we're still

931
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: We're in poems, these are poems.

932
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: I would even argue being in a seminar, like in

933
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: a grad school seminar, is similar to that, where you're

934
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: so aware of like this is like I'm in Dead

935
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: Poets Society, like you are very aware of the fact

936
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: that you are giving feedback to someone's work.

937
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: And in theory being this is what's going to make

938
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: me a professional, this is what's going to make me

939
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: a finished man to face. The world is giving feedback

940
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 3: to poems, it'd be like you, and the feedback is

941
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: always the same, Well, first of all, this is a poem.

942
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: We should just let's start there.

943
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: Let's just start there. This is a poem.

944
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: It's just going around saying, well, that is a poem,

945
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: and then everyone snaps.

946
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: Well, I think when when you were reading that, I

947
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: think the first thing I picked up on was the

948
00:47:53,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: fact that it is a poem. And this second thing

949
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: I kept sort of picking up on is the fact

950
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: that we're in a poetry MFA program.

951
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: Literally student that really says it all like, it's really

952
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: just well, that was a poem and we are grad students.

953
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 3: That'll be it for today. Everybody, good work.

954
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: I really liked that line about the fact that this

955
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: is a poem. Wow, I'm like, where do we This

956
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: is one of those things. I actually it does feel

957
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: straight in a very honest way. We recently did an

958
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: episode on footwear, and I actually feel like it was

959
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: a as a topic. We completely failed our listeners because

960
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: we were like, well, basically we ended up being like being.

961
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: We were like trying to talk about sneaker culture and

962
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: we kept talking about like Carrie in Sex and the

963
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: City wearing high heels.

964
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Kept being like talking about like loafers and like sort

965
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: of what our shoe things are, Like I love loafers.

966
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: You couldn't you couldn't unsee yourself into.

967
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but this feels this actually does feel straight.

968
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: Even though there is a countless queer longings in poetry,

969
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: this it really does feel straight.

970
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

971
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: Can I tell you what's straight? E Cummings.

972
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: And how come welcome?

973
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's something about and listen. E. Cummings,

974
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: of course a supremely talented poet. He doesn't need me

975
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: to say that.

976
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: But I don't think I'll be real with it.

977
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Don't you think that he's like the platonic ideal of

978
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: a poem you would read at someone's wedding.

979
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: As the reading, I could see that it's like an E.

980
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: Cummings Mary Oliver. Yes, is a name that comes to

981
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: mind where it's like, oh, okay, yeah, that it was

982
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 3: built for this.

983
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we do George sort of in the

984
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: same way we were defending David Darris earlier. I think

985
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to E. Cummings, we have to respect

986
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: that if it were not for Coming.

987
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: He is mother.

988
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: He is mother. It's not for Cummings. Pop stars would

989
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: never do like song titles with all lowercase already of course,

990
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: so like.

991
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: His mother and without him, there is no God as

992
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: a woman. Ironic.

993
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, the fucking Weekend spelling his name the way he does,

994
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: that's that's the Cummings baby.

995
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have him to think he is mother and

996
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: we need to respect that.

997
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, did Cummings or bell Hooks come

998
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: first in terms of spelling? Obviously came first. Wown you

999
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: What if my new take was bell Hooks was copying?

1000
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: Everyone would really love that.

1001
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: I think that should be the title of the episode.

1002
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: Very passionate about the fact that coming. People think she's

1003
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: such an original, she's just doing Cummings drag.

1004
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: Oh man, listen. If nothing else, I'd be in y'all

1005
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 3: mentioned for hours, just tell you this, enjoying.

1006
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: You would you would get fewer holes and more just

1007
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: playing out hate mail.

1008
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: People would be furious.

1009
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd get a lot more pudding videos, but non sexually.

1010
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 1: Just wanting to traumatize.

1011
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: Us, Sam, have you seen I'm taking a risk by

1012
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: asking this. Have you seen the film in her shoes?

1013
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: Starring Cameron Diaz.

1014
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: I have not seen I have not seen this.

1015
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, it is of course about two sisters, Cameron

1016
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: Diaz and Tony call Ed and at some point it's

1017
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: revealed that Cameron Diaz might be illiterate because she just

1018
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: like never learned to read. And at the end, then

1019
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: at some point Tony Kullak gets married and Cameron Diaz

1020
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: reads an E. Cummings poem at her wedding and and

1021
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: she has learned to read.

1022
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: Is this a is this a comedy?

1023
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: Is that it's you know, the question you're asking is

1024
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: so important because the reason why it's not more successful

1025
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: is because it is unclear whether it's a comedy or not. Oh,

1026
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: they didn't know how to sell it really, but it

1027
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: is actually a really good movie that I've seen maybe

1028
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: five times.

1029
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 3: But so she can't read, and that's like a funny thing.

1030
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: It's not to be honest, I don't remember the part

1031
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: about her not being able to read. I can't remember

1032
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: how literal that was or if it's just that she

1033
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: was like a bad student and then she was insecure.

1034
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: But basically there's two sisters to call it is like

1035
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: the brainy one who's like insecure about Cameron Diaz being hot,

1036
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: and then Cameron Diaz is like the slutty dumb one.

1037
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: And then she moves in with Shirley maclain in her

1038
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: old in her kind of nursing home and finds herself

1039
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: by being a kind of surrogate daughter to all these

1040
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: older women.

1041
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 3: I hope that this is the movie that the last

1042
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: movie she did before she retired. I hope this is

1043
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: her goodbye to the game. Yeah, was pretending not to

1044
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: read and then just being.

1045
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: Like, exactly, I do you think it's like, you know,

1046
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: to read E. Cummings. It's like Cameron Diaz reading Cummings

1047
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: in a wedding in a movie is exactly what E.

1048
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: Cummings was meant for.

1049
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Wow, which is only I think he was alive to see.

1050
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do not think that he would love hearing

1051
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 3: this were here.

1052
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1053
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: Well, well, I mean that's why I want to be immortalized.

1054
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: I would love for someone to sort of read a

1055
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: trans of our podcast in a big feature film in

1056
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: fifty years and had a wedding where everyone's on Molly

1057
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: with all their uncles.

1058
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: Have we like gotten to the bottom of poetry?

1059
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: I actually think we've gotten to the bottom.

1060
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: You think it would be a complicated topic, Do be wrong?

1061
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do think, uh and I I was wrong

1062
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 3: when we started that that although I think I think

1063
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 3: the judgment and sort of like it's almost like some

1064
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 3: mean hate crimey shit where it's like people are just

1065
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 3: using poetry as a weapon to call people gay, queer, whatever,

1066
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: But in reality it's a pretty straight It's got a

1067
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: lot of straight shit. Yeah, deaf poetry, jam I remember

1068
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: that that felt straight as fucked me most death is.

1069
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's very that feels pretty straight.

1070
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: There's also something almost like because it's such a gay

1071
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: art form, then it allows for the met the toxic

1072
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: men to actually be even more toxic because you're like,

1073
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: well I'm a poet.

1074
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a shield for toxic men.

1075
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: But poetry and literature are shields for toxic masculinity and

1076
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: they need to be banned.

1077
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. There are I know about as

1078
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: many creeps in the poetry world, exactly in the comedy

1079
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 3: one and uh a lot. Uh. Yeah, I think that's true.

1080
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 3: You can be a little you can be like that

1081
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 3: dude y'all were describing, who's like real touchy. You can

1082
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 3: be that in a poetry space and it's like, oh,

1083
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: he's of the Earth or some ship.

1084
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just to be clear lengths and he was gay,

1085
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: so it was okay.

1086
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, gay guys can't be creepy. Famously, they can be empowered.

1087
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, gay guys can't be creepy. Well, Sam, should we

1088
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: do our final segment?

1089
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: I think we should that Nutso it is kind of

1090
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: not so, but I'm trying to. I guess like we

1091
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: pretty much. I want to just oh, oh, this is

1092
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: what I want to say about poetry. I had a

1093
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: final point. I want to make up poetry, you know how,

1094
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: Like I feel like on Twitter there's like a meme

1095
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: sort of that's likea like how come like now gay

1096
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: guys dressed like this and straight guys dressed like this,

1097
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: And it's like the gay guys in like all baggy

1098
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: clothes and the straight guys. Yeah, the gay guys in

1099
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: like all carhart and the straight guys and like teeny

1100
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: tiny shorts and like a tank top, and it's like

1101
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: when did this happen? And I feel like poetry has

1102
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of had that journey where it was like doing

1103
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: poetry used to be like a dog whistle for you

1104
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: are gay? And now it's a dog whistle for you

1105
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: are straight.

1106
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a different way. That's straight man trying to

1107
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: have good straight sex with his words.

1108
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, I will yeah whatever, I don't know. I

1109
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: I also tried to write poetry in college. I was

1110
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: so bad at it. I would always be like I

1111
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: would be like, this is the most serious, like soul

1112
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: bearing thing I've ever written in my life. And people

1113
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: will be like, I found this really funny, and I

1114
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: was like, wrong, wrong.

1115
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: There are rules to this. It's not just open ended.

1116
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: I meant something.

1117
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just explain it to you really quick.

1118
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1119
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: That that's honestly. I don't write poetry anymore. And that

1120
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: was one of the main reasons I stopped, was like, oh,

1121
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: this is too serious. Like at a certain point, this

1122
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: is truly just me having to be endlessly serious, and

1123
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: it would be nice to to just talk about whole

1124
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,240
Speaker 3: with the fine gentlemen.

1125
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean you can't talk about whole in

1126
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 2: poetry anymore. No, they banned it. They banned it when

1127
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: they decided poetry was straight. They banned all whole.

1128
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: Content, which is crazy. It's like, this was this is

1129
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: what built the art form they're in their eyes with

1130
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: holes like, how are you taking that out of there?

1131
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: Wow? What a beautiful imagery dotting their eyes.

1132
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: Really imagining a special font where all the eyes are God.

1133
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: Listen, I didn't go to school for poetry for nothing,

1134
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, I apply.

1135
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 2: I mean it finally came out. Yeah.

1136
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: I was waiting. I was really waiting and we got it.

1137
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: Oh and you know what else? Is straight? Sorry? Just

1138
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: a final thought all any kind of like poetry that

1139
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: has rules, like a haikum that is straight sonic.

1140
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean needing like iambic pentameters like grow up.

1141
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like shut up. I'll decide how many syllables I

1142
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: do and.

1143
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna sound good. Okay, it's gonna sound good. All

1144
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: your rules it's not gonna work. Let's do our final

1145
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: seg all right, let's do it, George, we introduce it.

1146
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: I would be absolutely elated to Langston. Our final segment

1147
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: is our homage to the classic straight art form of

1148
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: radio shout out. So we are gonna give shout outs.

1149
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 2: Imagine you're on Z one hundred Z Morning Zoo. Imagine

1150
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: you are in MTV's TRL and approximately the year nineteen

1151
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: ninety eight to two thousand and two. Yeah, So just

1152
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: you know something that you want to shout out, something

1153
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: that's been bringing you joy. You know, we like to

1154
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: end on a pilotive note. Here it's stradio lab.

1155
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: Here in the stradio lab.

1156
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: Household, Sam, do you have one? I I can do one,

1157
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: kind of like on a whim.

1158
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you do yours first.

1159
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, all right, what's up freaks and losers out there?

1160
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: I want to give a quick shout out to ham

1161
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 2: and cheese croissants. I feel like there is this very

1162
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: harmful stereotype of croissant should be sweet. We all know

1163
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: chocolate croissants, we all know almond croissants, and we all

1164
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: know plaine croissants. But let me tell you something. Put

1165
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: a little ham and cheese in there. You got yourself lunch,

1166
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: you got yourself a meal. Suddenly it's out with the pastry.

1167
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: It is a whole damn snack.

1168
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: And so next time.

1169
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: You go get your coffee, be brave enough to get

1170
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 2: one of those ham and cheese pissants. You know there's

1171
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: gonna be eight left. Where's all the other ones? Are

1172
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: going to be almost done and they are waiting for you.

1173
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: Baby.

1174
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: As Taylor Swift said, welcome to New York. It's been

1175
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: waiting for you.

1176
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I have one. All right, Okay, what's up everyone

1177
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: around the globe. I want to give a huge shout

1178
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: out to jumping on a trend. I know that you're

1179
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: seeing the trends, and I know that you're thinking, well,

1180
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: it's already happening. I missed it. I'm too late. No,

1181
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: you're not too late. Now, more than ever, you can

1182
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: jump on any trend that you want to. I saw

1183
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: everyone wearing those like work pants that have the weird

1184
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: like front part on the knee thing, like the knee

1185
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: guard thing, and I was like, damn, it's already happened.

1186
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: These damn pants are in made. Well, I missed it.

1187
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: Then I saw I just decided, hey, you know what,

1188
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: let's hop on board. I got some of these pants

1189
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: and I'm loving them. I'm getting compliments left and right,

1190
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: and people think I've been on the trend since the beginning.

1191
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: I haven't been, but no one cares and everyone is

1192
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: really respectful and I'm having fun and that's all that matters.

1193
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: So if you see a trend and you think you're

1194
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 1: too late, you're not too late. Stay in line. Get

1195
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: that true.

1196
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: Wait, Sam, that is so you're so right. This is

1197
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: how I felt when I finally ordered an espresso martini,

1198
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: probably a year late. It was delicious.

1199
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. You have to jump on the trends.

1200
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 3: I own baggy jeans now because because kids did. Yeah,

1201
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: and yes, that wasn't my plan. I was like, I'm

1202
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: gonna be wearing skinny jeans probably for the rest of

1203
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: my life. But nope, they said change it.

1204
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: So now that's you know when that happened, the whiplash

1205
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: I got when suddenly the skinny jeans were illegal again,

1206
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 2: I was in shock. We did that for like a

1207
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: full decade.

1208
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, we we had a long run with skinny jeans.

1209
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And as a society, I still don't feel feel

1210
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: like we've like properly mourned the loss of them, like

1211
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: we a lot of people put their identities in that

1212
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: and now they're just dead and even maligned.

1213
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: Well, it's a it's a difficult thing because it became

1214
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: so loud people hating them very quickly, and I didn't

1215
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: even feel that the hatred sincerely, but I had to

1216
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: be on board with being like, nope, everybody said, we

1217
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 3: don't do this no more so.

1218
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I mean, yeah, I mean it's so crazy.

1219
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: Even now I see myself, Like I'll see someone wearing

1220
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: skin jeans, I'll be like a loser. He hasn't gotten

1221
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: the memo. I'm like, well that was me, like not

1222
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: that long ago.

1223
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense how you become a Nazi.

1224
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: I get it.

1225
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, just to be clear, Sam's chatout is for

1226
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: being a follower. It's okay to be a follower. Well,

1227
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: I think when you're matter what the ideology is.

1228
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: When you're twenty one, you're sort of like, of course,

1229
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing things my way, but really you're just you know,

1230
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: following all your friends. But then when you're thirty, the

1231
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: thing that you did when you were twenty one is

1232
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: completely irrelevant and stupid and you have to lose your

1233
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: sense of self and completely follow the trends. It's yeah,

1234
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: and actually you can have fun to do kind of mature.

1235
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: It's a sign of growing up, and it's a sign

1236
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: of selflessness and understanding that you're not the most important

1237
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: thing in the world no longer.

1238
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: Caring about being original is the biggest sign of maturity,

1239
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: and you should be given a Nobel Peace price.

1240
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: For it, and I hate mondays.

1241
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it also is like, hey, I haven't given up.

1242
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 3: I'm still I'm still doing this, you know. Otherwise, if

1243
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 3: I wear the same clothes forever, I've given I've given

1244
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 3: everything up. I don't I don't deserve to live anymore.

1245
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: Wow the poet. The poetry MFA once again jumped out.

1246
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: Wow Flankston, whenever you are ready to do a shout out,

1247
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: if you have one in mind.

1248
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I got one. This means, hey, hey, y'all, you

1249
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: you freaks and weirdos out there, you know who the

1250
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: fuck you are. I want to give a special shout

1251
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 3: out to dried cherries. That's right, dried cherries. Everybody is

1252
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 3: talking about crazins and dried franberries and all that, but

1253
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: but fuck them, they don't. They don't do what dried

1254
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 3: cherries do. Dried cherries are all awesome. They taste a

1255
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: little different than dried everything else, and they're good, and

1256
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: if you eat enough of them, it's basically like eating

1257
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 3: an entire bag of real cherries, and that's that's not

1258
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: good for you. So they're not that healthy and you

1259
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: shouldn't probably have as many as I do a day.

1260
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 3: But goddamn do they taste good? And I want them

1261
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 3: to have their representation they deserve.

1262
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: Whoa, it's really powerful. I love that you used your

1263
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: platform to speak up for the underprivileged, the dried cherries.

1264
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't get enough credit.

1265
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: No, they actually get zero credit. I almost didn't even

1266
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: know they existed. They've been eraised, Yeah.

1267
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 3: They really have, and it doesn't make sense. What would

1268
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 3: have Cranberry's doing that. We don't eat cranberry.

1269
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: Please, No, it's disgusting. Something's up, some shadow government is real.

1270
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, big yea. Cranberry really has got his foot down

1271
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's neck.

1272
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: I think cherries really like uh, cherries became through kind

1273
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: of the artificial fleet of cherry, which is always like

1274
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: the most childlike one. It's like the cherry Jolly ranch whatever.

1275
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: Then it became almost like a childlike to enjoy cherries,

1276
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: and we need to reclaim them.

1277
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want cherries back. I think they deserve another

1278
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: chance to prove them.

1279
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed.

1280
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: There also is something inherently sexual about cherries, and I think.

1281
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: I know that.

1282
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: Childish or sexual. It's a sort of Madonna horror complext.

1283
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I think there's actually something to that.

1284
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, even even cherries as are represented in our adulthood.

1285
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: It's like the fucking cherries at a bar. Those aren't cherries.

1286
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: Those aren't cherries.

1287
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: That's something else. But that's what we're told is a cherry.

1288
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, grow up, grow up. Cherries are

1289
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: different than that.

1290
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: Literally literally grow up, eat cherries and get on trends

1291
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: two years late.

1292
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, untied that that that not from your tongue.

1293
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was such a big deal for

1294
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: like a good decade. There the ultimate sign of being

1295
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: a sex freak.

1296
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you would that that would have any application,

1297
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: uh directly penis. I don't know what it was.

1298
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: I never seen this as a very different beast. I

1299
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: really never understood what they were trying to say with it.

1300
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: Like I was like, is this a good kissing? Is

1301
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: this good oral sex? It was like, what is this?

1302
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 3: It was? I think it was oral sex. I think

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Speaker 3: the implication was that your tongue was so worldly that

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Speaker 3: uh that it it would.

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Speaker 2: Truly really yeah, it would be a pi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just a monsoon around a penis. And it's like.

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Speaker 2: That's cool because, as everyone knows, the best way to

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Speaker 2: give a bow jump is to just kind of like

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Speaker 2: go wild around and around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, more as more and more, as more.

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Speaker 2: More, as more and more more. Wow. Well this has

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Speaker 2: been an absolute delight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for doing it. What a damn pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah what And and you know what, Lengthston, we never

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Speaker 2: promote our guests work because we are better than that.

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Speaker 2: But because we are now colleagues at iHeartRadio, we would

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Speaker 2: like you to tell the listeners where they can, where

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Speaker 2: they can follow you and see you and hear you.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so nice. I would love for you to

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Speaker 3: follow me at Langston Kerman on all platforms, Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 3: all that shit. Nobody else wanted this name, and and

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Speaker 3: you can listen to my podcast. My mama told me

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Speaker 3: it's it's a podcast where we talk about black conspiracy theories,

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theories in the black community.

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Speaker 1: And shit, love it, well, love it. We have, we

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Speaker 1: have done it. We've done a plug and life is

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Speaker 1: good baby. Okay, Well then bye bye bye