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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with on our radio.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today. Ben

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Speaker 2: is like he's at a closet in the woods. He

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Speaker 2: tells me.

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Speaker 3: That's actually a very accurate description of where I sit

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Speaker 3: right now. I am at Lost Valley Ranch, which probably

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Speaker 3: some of our listeners have been to. It's a dude

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Speaker 3: ranch in Colorado right now. And so I'm up here

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Speaker 3: hanging out with a few like just business people for

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Speaker 3: the next few days talking about generous and I cannot

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Speaker 3: miss doing our podcast. So I jumped in the booth

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Speaker 3: to get on here because Ashley, here's to do.

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Speaker 2: We got some in the closet. We got some good

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Speaker 2: headlines today. Yeah, so you want to kick me off.

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Speaker 3: I do. The first one is this Kelsey Anderson's dad

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Speaker 3: Mark dances with one Tree Hill Start Barbara Allan Woods

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Speaker 3: in cute video Ashley. Last week during headlines, we kind

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Speaker 3: of broke that the two of them had very publicly

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Speaker 3: posted on social media like very much a hard launch

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Speaker 3: from the very start and well it's not stopping.

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Speaker 2: No no. So if you weren't convinced from the Halloween

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Speaker 2: TikTok or picture that they had together. This is really

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Speaker 2: this is confirming to me that they are a couple.

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Speaker 2: So just to remind you, Barbara Allen played Nathan's mom

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Speaker 2: on One Tree Hill and she is a few years

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Speaker 2: older than Mark. She's sixty two, Mark fifty seven. And

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Speaker 2: this is the second post that we've gotten from them

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Speaker 2: in the past two weeks. They are in this video

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Speaker 2: dancing in front of a romantic, brightly lit Christmas tree.

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Speaker 2: And she posted this video and the caption said in

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Speaker 2: good company. And the kicker here is that Kelsey seemingly

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Speaker 2: sent in her seale of approval, mending the words well,

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Speaker 2: the word aw underneath the video and the the in

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Speaker 2: the comments. So Mark is off the market.

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Speaker 3: This is this is big news from Mark, good news

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Speaker 3: from Mark. We're happy he's happy, because honestly, that's all

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Speaker 3: we've ever wanted from Mark is to be happy.

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Speaker 2: Right. That is true. We did not need him to

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Speaker 2: be the Golden Bachelor. It's just crazy that my two

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Speaker 2: front rudders for Golden Bachelor have basically hard launched.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to talk about Jonathan and his hard

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Speaker 3: launch in just a second, but before we do, Ashley,

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Speaker 3: I want you to explain to me and remind me

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Speaker 3: of the backstory here. But here's the headline, Bachelor paradises

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Speaker 3: Avan and Kylie. They seemingly reunite in Mexico after reconciliation

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Speaker 3: and split. Now, if I remember right, we had the

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Speaker 3: headline a few months ago about how Kylie kind of

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Speaker 3: came out very much against Avan, kind of getting upset

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Speaker 3: with him, and now they're reuniting again. Tell me what's

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Speaker 3: going on here?

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Speaker 2: Well, you and I kind of missed that. Back in June,

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Speaker 2: she was on the Happy Hour podcast and she admitted

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Speaker 2: that she and Avon had kind of reconciled, but at

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Speaker 2: the point that she was on the podcast, they had

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Speaker 2: already split again, so it was kind of like non news.

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Speaker 2: But here they are again, six months after the recording

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Speaker 2: of that podcast, and they were both spotted at the

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Speaker 2: same resort in Cabo, although they were spotted together at

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Speaker 2: in Cabo, so it was a birthday trip for him.

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Speaker 2: It just seems like they're revisiting this relationship for the

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Speaker 2: third time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ashley, what do you think about this? Is

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Speaker 3: this like, what do you think is going on behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes here? That's making the two of them go, yes,

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Speaker 3: you still are the right person for me.

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Speaker 2: I think it's hard for the for you to give

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Speaker 2: credit to the relationship the third time. Okay, the second

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Speaker 2: time makes like I understand. The second time you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know what redo, especially because he totally effed up,

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Speaker 2: like he pretty much publicly admitted to cheating on her

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Speaker 2: soon after getting off a Bachelor in Paradises. They weren't engaged,

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Speaker 2: but they were in a serious relationship and she was

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Speaker 2: moving to San Diego for him, So that's that. I

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Speaker 2: just I don't know. I think that if you just

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Speaker 2: sure there's a lot of love too, But I don't

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Speaker 2: know that I could say that it's like gonna last

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting situation. We'll be tracking it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we'll be following it. We wish we had a paradise

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Speaker 3: to follow a little closer. Well, actually, a lot of

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Speaker 2: If we can't, can we bring up the fact that

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Speaker 2: you were the one that popped first and sent to

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Speaker 2: the group message all of Devon's his responses to people

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Speaker 3: Section, I would not just say a sassy mood like

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Speaker 3: a dicky move. Yeah, like sassy, I think has this

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Speaker 3: kind of getting at people like I'm sassy and I'm

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Speaker 3: them where they're at. These were just like outrageously weird comments,

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Speaker 3: didn't make any sense. But the headline is this. Jen

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Speaker 3: gives credit to Sasha, her Dance with the Stars partner,

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Speaker 3: aftermath of her season at the Bachelorette. Obviously, then from

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Speaker 3: some of the videos posted this week that of Gin

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Speaker 3: lot together since their time on't Dance with the Stars.

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Speaker 3: Devin says, Hey, you know what I want to do tonight.

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Speaker 3: here's the headline. That's very interesting. Jen transx Devonstrator throws

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Speaker 3: shade at her Dancing with the Stars partner Sasha amid

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Speaker 3: romance rumors. Here's the crazy part. Devin's big comeback to

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Speaker 3: Sasha at the beginning is, Sasha is a girl's name. Well,

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Speaker 3: Devin's a girl's name. I have friends that are named Devin.

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Speaker 2: I know the name Sasha could go either way, and

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Speaker 2: so can the name Devin. So it is ironic that

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Speaker 2: he used that as the disc But that was in

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Speaker 2: response to a comment that he got November ninth on

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Speaker 2: an Instagram post where it said Jen found a great name.

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Speaker 2: Great guy. His name is Sasha. He said, Sasa is

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Speaker 2: that Sasha actually responded to this. He said, the name

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Speaker 2: Sasha is short for Alexander. You know who also had

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Speaker 2: the name Alexander, Alexander the Great FYI, Okay, you didn't

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Speaker 2: even have to do that, Sasha. This kind of don't

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Speaker 2: leaving it alone. I think it's also worth mentioning that

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he called this was all outrageously behavior.

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Speaker 2: And then somebody said, oh wow, Devin's spiraling in the

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Speaker 2: Sasha arrived at the Wicked premiere together, he responded under

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Speaker 2: this saying jobless, supporting jobless, alluding to the fact that,

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Speaker 2: also jobless. It's like, is he like on drugs?

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Speaker 3: Like none of this is true. I mean, Jin just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of money for not having a job.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're making money like he's she's doing

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Speaker 3: something on television. It's it's just it feels like he's hurting,

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Speaker 3: and so I think we have to acknowledge it. He

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Speaker 3: is hurting. This is not good behavior. Sasha never needed

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Speaker 3: to respond. Nobody here is going you know what, Devon's

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Speaker 3: right like this, he is spot on it. It's just

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Speaker 3: odd that Devin continues to pop up and like dig

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Speaker 2: And to think that we thought he was kind of

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Speaker 2: fading away certainly was like, Hello, I'm still here with

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to say anything nice. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to continue to be just just mean and that's going

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Speaker 3: to create a headline that I need.

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Speaker 2: Oh and one more comment. Somebody said like one of

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Speaker 2: the things that he said, he said, Hey, shut the

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Speaker 2: f up, this is my Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think she could probably say the

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Speaker 3: same thing back to him then, like, it's my Instagram too.

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Speaker 3: We're both doing this.

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Speaker 2: Weird game about on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're both there, both doing it. I don't know, Ash,

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Speaker 3: It's a very weird situation, and it continues to get weirder.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's speculat Okay, let's just create some drama here.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that Sasha and Jen have anything more

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Speaker 3: Yes, no question.

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Speaker 2: Oh why do you think this?

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Speaker 2: He split with Emmislator one of his Dancing with the

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Speaker 2: a year ago that they announced their divorce, and so

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Speaker 2: of course they're going to pair her with somebody single,

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Speaker 2: Why are you so certain?

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Speaker 3: I just I mean, I think it goes to my

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Speaker 3: people who are single, like you can be friends. I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying you cannot be friends, but when you're hanging

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Speaker 3: out together all the time, like there's there's something else

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Speaker 3: doing tiktoks at his house. I just think when you're

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Speaker 3: not saying they're dating. I'm not saying it's a committed relationship.

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Speaker 3: What I am saying is like, I'm sure there's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of flirtation leading up to maybe some handholding.

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Speaker 2: Can I say that, Like, I don't even know how

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Speaker 2: attracted you have to be to the person to find

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Speaker 2: yourself attracted to them when you're dancing, so it'sentally so

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Speaker 2: often yeah, right, yeah, like may not be your type

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Speaker 2: but you can find yourself attracted, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think dancing is just you know,

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Speaker 3: want to find the chemistry. And I think when you're

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Speaker 3: on Dancing with the Stars, I think oftentimes for two

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Speaker 3: single people. I mean we saw it with Sasha and Emma, right,

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Speaker 3: there was something that sparked from that environment. And why

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Speaker 3: you know, if it's his job, if it's where he's

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Speaker 2: Well, also with val and and Jenna. So Val and

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Speaker 2: Jenna they're two stars of Dancing with the Stars and

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Speaker 2: they got married. And what I think is really sweet

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Speaker 2: is that Joey requested that he be paired with somebody

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Speaker 2: remember how Joey and I met? We met on the Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: He does, and I think he's saying I love you,

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Speaker 3: Do we know what like that exactly means?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked, Ashley. I'd actually be not

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Speaker 2: That's so funny. That's interesting, truly my bomb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing else, it's very interesting. Nicknamed call somebody you

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Speaker 3: don't know what exactly that could be insinuating, but well,

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Speaker 3: AT's Pascal would ask for younger women if he was

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Speaker 3: He would have a really good shot at be in

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Speaker 3: the Golden Bachelor. I mean, you got not a lot

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Speaker 2: This is true, facts, Ben, This is directing me to

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Speaker 3: I would love it best gratings ever.

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Speaker 2: It would be a totally different show. But if you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's more going on. And also congratulations

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly what's happening, but we're happy for them.

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Speaker 3: So until next time, I've been Ben.

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Speaker 2: I've been Ashley. See you guys.

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