Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another edition of Triple Take,
Speaker 1: brought to you by up MC Mike Pursuda, joined as
Speaker 1: always on these programs by Dale Lawley and Matt Williamson.
Speaker 1: Matt and Dale are your drive tag team on SNR.
Speaker 1: You can also catch their work on the Steelers Audio
Speaker 1: Network and Steelers dot com. You can find me on
Speaker 1: the Steelers Audio Network and Steelers dot com. But we're
Speaker 1: here today for a specific purpose, not just to talk
Speaker 1: about the draft, which we have been doing for a
Speaker 1: while now, but this is our three round for a
Speaker 1: into the draft. We're not gonna pick the entire league,
Speaker 1: but we are gonna go three rounds with the Steelers
Speaker 1: and Dale. Right now, there are only two picks for
Speaker 1: the Steelers in the first three rounds.
Speaker 2: But we can change that, can't We.
Speaker 3: Can make something happen there. And we still have k
Speaker 3: Metcalf in our back pocket here.
Speaker 4: But you know, when you forget, we have DK Metcalf RT.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only have the two draft picks right now.
Speaker 3: We could change that and you still got DK Metcalf.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that a change is going to be forthcoming.
Speaker 1: But before we get to the festivities, I want to
Speaker 1: remind everyone the opinions that we are about to express
Speaker 1: and the actions we are about to take are ours,
Speaker 1: not those of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So keep that in
Speaker 1: mind as you delve into what you are about to receive.
Speaker 2: Let's get that trade done, Dale, all right.
Speaker 3: So we're running a little handy dandy simulator here, draft simulator,
Speaker 3: and the first twenty picks are in. So we're on
Speaker 3: the clock and we have six trade offers.
Speaker 4: Guys, okay the best.
Speaker 3: So you got teams that are interested Houston at twenty five,
Speaker 3: Detroit at twenty eight, Washington at twenty nine, and then
Speaker 3: three teams that are in the second round. I'm not
Speaker 3: necessarily interested in trading out of the first round.
Speaker 2: But we are interested in getting into second round.
Speaker 4: I would like that. And so you got swing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, If you get the Detections at twenty five,
Speaker 3: the Lions at twenty eight, and the Commander's at twenty nine,
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of how far do we want
Speaker 3: to move back and still think that we can get
Speaker 3: a player that we like here.
Speaker 1: So we have options wise, man, Yes, never move back
Speaker 1: and trade.
Speaker 2: Away from a player you'd want. They're we can move
Speaker 2: multiple players yes, there's a lot of to be Okay,
Speaker 2: so what we would like to do.
Speaker 4: We could talk to Houston first.
Speaker 3: Houston has picked twenty five, fifty eight, seventy nine and
Speaker 3: eighty nine, and.
Speaker 4: They made that Tounsil trade. They got all kinds of.
Speaker 3: Feah, they've got firepower to come up. So we're obviously
Speaker 3: going to offer twenty one. They would obviously offer twenty five.
Speaker 3: Can we get fifty eight from them?
Speaker 4: No, we are saying that.
Speaker 5: They are saying no, I'd be interested in moving next
Speaker 5: year's third because the Steelers right now are set up
Speaker 5: really really well with picks next year.
Speaker 4: Is that something they might be very interested in in theory?
Speaker 3: In theory, they would they would accept twenty five and
Speaker 3: fifty or twenty five and seventy nine for twenty one.
Speaker 2: Seventy nine is not in the set.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a there, I guess they're normal or no,
Speaker 3: they get that. That's the pick they.
Speaker 4: Got from some probably from Washington through Miami.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's basically be Miami's third round pick. So
Speaker 3: we'd have two third round picks.
Speaker 4: And move back four spots and then move back four.
Speaker 3: Spots and still probably get a player that.
Speaker 2: Do we not have a second round option.
Speaker 4: We can try and say, what if we traded with Detroit.
Speaker 2: So if we do it, we do a deal with
Speaker 2: the Detroit.
Speaker 3: Detroit's got twenty eight and sixty, we.
Speaker 4: Might be able to get them to do that.
Speaker 2: Should I offer that offer that because.
Speaker 3: If I offer it and they take it, it's done.
Speaker 3: They did not take that off as well.
Speaker 5: If we sprinkle in a late round pick, throw a
Speaker 5: six or a fifth or something their way.
Speaker 3: But throw in the our pick at one eighty five,
Speaker 3: they accepted that. Okay, So what we ended up ving
Speaker 3: toil twenty one and one eighty five for twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight and sixty.
Speaker 5: Okay, Well they moved back seven spots. Yeah, there was
Speaker 5: a handful of names I liked.
Speaker 4: When you read them off.
Speaker 3: Says the players, it just went. We lost out on
Speaker 3: a chance to get Walter Nolan.
Speaker 4: He let me, he's off the board. That was my
Speaker 4: favorite target, Ye'll be honest.
Speaker 3: Amar and Hampton went to the Baltimore Ravens at twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Sounds very ravenish. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now we're looking here, we're at twenty eight and
Speaker 3: Derek Harmon is still there. Kay, Malachi Starks still there
Speaker 3: which is kind of surprising. Luther burd and James Pierce,
Speaker 3: Colston Loveland, Nick Scalerton, Darius Alexander.
Speaker 2: The quarterbacks are still there.
Speaker 4: To me.
Speaker 5: I think Harmon's from Harmon stands out to me in
Speaker 5: terms of what you need. I'd love the groom, a
Speaker 5: talented young upfield guy, while Cam Hayward is still here.
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you, guys a question that was
Speaker 1: once asked famously in Steeler's history.
Speaker 2: Are you sure you don't want to take the quarterback?
Speaker 3: I am because I don't necessarily like that quarterback in
Speaker 3: the first round.
Speaker 4: I'm not reaching for a quarterback. I just won't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not thrilled with that situation either.
Speaker 5: I just have some doubts about Dart, and I really
Speaker 5: think he needs a year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on a record and say that's not
Speaker 1: what I would do, but you would take Dart here.
Speaker 2: I'll acquiesce to the will of the group.
Speaker 3: I mean, at some points you do have to replace,
Speaker 3: not necessarily replaced now, but you do have to address
Speaker 3: replacing Cam Hayward in a near future.
Speaker 4: And I think Derek Harmon gives you a potential to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 3: He's got the prerequisite size thirty five inch arms production
Speaker 3: at a major college, very disruptive.
Speaker 2: Two major colleges.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One.
Speaker 3: And I'm working on the assumption here that by the
Speaker 3: time rolls around at the end of April, that's gonna
Speaker 3: be a quarterback. Okay, doesn't mean you don't take another
Speaker 3: quarterback somewhere else in this draft.
Speaker 2: It's a bull move. Let's see how it plays off
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 4: Derek Carmon is the pit.
Speaker 1: Okay, Derek Carmon is to pick on Round one defensive
Speaker 1: tackle and uh and a really good player, guy who
Speaker 1: went from Michigan State to Oregon and really found his game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: lost some weight, uh, better people around him, bigger circumstances,
Speaker 1: and he really rose to the occasion.
Speaker 5: I thought, Yeah, they have a nose tackle too in
Speaker 5: this draft that I like quite a bit. That also,
Speaker 5: Dale and I do this a lot, and I don't
Speaker 5: know that we are out of the nose tackle market
Speaker 5: at this point too. You can add two to the
Speaker 5: to a really rich group of defensive tackles overall. I
Speaker 5: would consider that maybe in round three.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing I like about Harmon is he's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a SAS guy, but he's a generate pressure guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you can use that. Gets his hands on again.
Speaker 3: There's thirty five inch arms show up, that's balls and
Speaker 3: does all that stuff.
Speaker 2: It's he's a good football player.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Derek Carmon, it is on round one and
Speaker 1: let's fast forward now to the back end sixty.
Speaker 3: Now the pick that we just picked up for moving
Speaker 3: back and still getting harmon.
Speaker 2: The players available here.
Speaker 3: Top players available Demetrius Knight, junior linebacker out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4: Jaden Higgins wide receiver out of Iowa feeling.
Speaker 2: Very good player.
Speaker 3: Quinn Shaw Judkins running back out of Ohio State, Shamar
Speaker 3: Turner defensive lineman from Texas A and m Elijah Rojo
Speaker 3: tight end out of Miami. Arianta Ursery offensive tackle out
Speaker 3: of Minnesota. Omar Norman Lott defensive lineman out of Tennessee.
Speaker 3: You got Dylan Sampson running back out of Tennise, Tennessee
Speaker 3: as well, so back to back Tennessee's there. Kyle Kinnard,
Speaker 3: edge rusher out of South Carolina.
Speaker 4: He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 3: Six to eighty five, but we already took a defensive
Speaker 3: end there. Benjamin Morrison, the cornerback at of Notre Dame CJ.
Speaker 2: West nose tackle.
Speaker 3: That's a true nose tackle out of Indiana, as is
Speaker 3: Alfred Collins from Texas. And that's Traveon Henderson there. So
Speaker 3: there's some good names to choose from here. At the
Speaker 3: sixtieth there's a handful that stick out to me.
Speaker 5: Is I know, we just took a defensive lineman, but
Speaker 5: Alfred Collins is a much different type. He's the Plodi Nada,
Speaker 5: you know, Vita vea nose tackle type and really could
Speaker 5: attack your defensive line. I like both Ohio State running
Speaker 5: backs just kind of this. You know, what style do
Speaker 5: you want? You want the bruiser or the breakaway guy.
Speaker 5: And Higgins still being there from Iowa State, a big receiver,
Speaker 5: I mean, really double down on attacking wide receiver.
Speaker 4: But I don't know that's a need. But I'm kind
Speaker 4: of shocked he's there and nice to mix him in.
Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of Quinn Shawn Judkins at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got no problem with that at all.
Speaker 2: Two and twenty one pounds.
Speaker 1: He ran a four point four to eight unofficial at
Speaker 1: the combine. I forget what his official was.
Speaker 3: In one thousand yard back all three seasons in college, it.
Speaker 1: In the SEC, did it in the Big ten Mississippi transfer.
Speaker 1: I think he's a tremendous player. I think he's the
Speaker 1: better of the two Ohio State running backs.
Speaker 2: No offense to.
Speaker 5: Henderson, especially for the Steelers and big back.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a position in need, it is.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be a nice trade off if you
Speaker 1: go deep tackle in the first round to address that
Speaker 1: deficiency in the backfield. I like the change of pacebacks
Speaker 1: they have in game.
Speaker 2: Well and Warren, but you need that thumper guy.
Speaker 3: He's your every down, he's got.
Speaker 2: Breakaway home run in.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't fight you at all on it. I'm pretty
Speaker 4: happy he's sitting there.
Speaker 3: State running back running back, which again shows you the
Speaker 3: value of that move back. Yep, in the first round
Speaker 3: you get back into that second round. If we wait
Speaker 3: until the third round to take a running back, we're
Speaker 3: not touching a.
Speaker 1: Guy like that, and particularly if you're not going to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback in round one, moving back makes even
Speaker 1: more sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Here, huh, that's a nice day too, you know, first
Speaker 3: two round haul here and we've got another pick coming
Speaker 3: up here at eighty three. Now that now, if you
Speaker 3: want to start looking at a quarterback. Okay, you know
Speaker 3: you don't need them to start this year. Somebody that
Speaker 3: you can develop, you know. See what's what's there?
Speaker 2: Well, let's see what the the simulator tells.
Speaker 4: Us that the simulator is saying.
Speaker 3: At eighty three, the players available to us Ozzie Trapeo,
Speaker 3: offensive tackle out of Boston College, Jordan Phillips, nose tackle
Speaker 3: out of Maryland, Jared Wilson the center out of Georgia,
Speaker 3: Kevin Winston, safety out of Penn State. R J. Harvey,
Speaker 3: running back at a UCF. Jalen Noel the other wide
Speaker 3: receiver at the Iowa State.
Speaker 2: That's a good player.
Speaker 3: Jonas Iavania, offensive tackle out of Arizona. He might have
Speaker 3: kicked in the guard. DJ Giddon's running back out of
Speaker 3: k State. Jalen Royals, wide receiver at a Utah State. Uh,
Speaker 3: Saveon Williams is there the wide receiver at a TCU.
Speaker 2: I just want to look here.
Speaker 3: We got Charles Grant and Anthony Belton, the two offensive tackles,
Speaker 3: one from william and Murray one North Carolina State at
Speaker 3: their quarterback position. If you wanted to jump into that mix,
Speaker 3: here you're looking at will Howard is there, Riley Leonard,
Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel Quin, Yours, tom Acord, Tyler Shock still there.
Speaker 5: You know my feelings on Tyler Shock. I'm a big,
Speaker 5: big fan. I mean, I know he's over aged. I
Speaker 5: think he's super talented. I'm also a little shocked Noel
Speaker 5: still there.
Speaker 2: That's the one that jumped out of me, right.
Speaker 1: I know the wide receiver has already been addressed, but
Speaker 1: you tend to run out, yeah, and that tends to
Speaker 1: be a real problem when you run out, as the
Speaker 1: Steelers found out last year.
Speaker 2: So I would throw my hat into the ring for
Speaker 2: Noel here.
Speaker 4: I was pretty happy to see him available.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, good football players, I kind
Speaker 5: of went into this draft process, especially after the Metcalf trade,
Speaker 5: saying I don't really need another smallish receiver with Wilson
Speaker 5: and Austin on board. But he's a tackle breaker, he's
Speaker 5: a punt returner, he's.
Speaker 4: Pretty thickly felt like a running back.
Speaker 5: He's a great tester. He's a really good football player.
Speaker 5: I'm a little shocked he's there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speed guy, return skills, confident guy, considers himself a
Speaker 3: student of the game.
Speaker 1: He had a quote that jumped out at me on
Speaker 1: the NFL Network during the Senior Bowl coverage. He said,
Speaker 1: if you want a guy who's going to be in
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time and make smart
Speaker 1: decisions at all time, all times, that I'm your guy.
Speaker 2: I like those chists.
Speaker 1: Yet the tag team thing he had going with Higgins.
Speaker 1: Obviously he can work in tandem with other players at
Speaker 1: the position. And again, h when when George Pickens got
Speaker 1: hurt last year, it was problematic to say the least.
Speaker 1: Obviously it has been addressed since then. But can't have
Speaker 1: too many. It's like pitching right.
Speaker 4: Dale, can't have too many any and I agree.
Speaker 3: My only question would be do we do we do that?
Speaker 2: Over the quarterback? Did you?
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Shuck is still there. Matt and I
Speaker 3: are both big shuck guys. Shuck guys, I do see.
Speaker 3: You know there's some other guys here, some later round
Speaker 3: guys at that quarterback position.
Speaker 4: Maybe you take one in round four.
Speaker 5: I have no qualms with Noel. I mean, I think
Speaker 5: he could also be an outside guy. Austin can as well.
Speaker 5: You have those two skyscrapers on the outside too already.
Speaker 5: He'd probably battle right away for slot duties.
Speaker 4: And I just think he's too good to.
Speaker 2: Be special teams guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the quarterbacks there'll be some down the line.
Speaker 4: Okay, it might even that's your project.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean you can get one eventually, but I
Speaker 5: wouldn't mind bringing a young army.
Speaker 2: I would get a contributor now versus project. It is.
Speaker 2: It is his third round.
Speaker 3: If you're going to take a project quarterback, third round
Speaker 3: is you're expecting to get a starter there.
Speaker 4: So I'm with you, aren't Jalen know?
Speaker 2: L it is? I think jalenel Okay, So would we
Speaker 2: end up trading again? Let's summarize for the good folks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we moved back with the Well, here's the trade.
Speaker 3: It was with the Lions. We got twenty.
Speaker 2: Eight and sixty four picks.
Speaker 4: Twenty one and one five.
Speaker 3: Which is a six round pick, and that moved us
Speaker 3: back to number twenty eight. We took Derek Harmon, defensive
Speaker 3: lineman out of Oregon, and we went off to someone.
Speaker 4: I would consider it twenty one. Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Then we worked offense.
Speaker 3: We took Quid Shawn Judkins with that sixtieth pick that
Speaker 3: we picked up by moving back, and then at picked
Speaker 3: eighty three, which is our normal third round pick. We
Speaker 3: got Jalen Noel, the wide receiver out of Iowa State.
Speaker 5: I think it's pretty clear they're trying to become more
Speaker 5: explosive on offense, and I think we just helped them
Speaker 5: with this running back and receiver.
Speaker 2: We absolutely just helped them.
Speaker 4: Of course, easies.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: You just set you're bored that the picks almost picked themselves.
Speaker 4: That's the way any hard decisions.
Speaker 3: You know, you can love a guy as much as
Speaker 3: you want, that doesn't mean he's going to fall to you.
Speaker 3: In this instance, we had some guys fall to us
Speaker 3: that I like a lot, and I think we loved.
Speaker 2: We all had likes.
Speaker 1: Maybe not necessarily true love, but yeah, plenty to choose from.
Speaker 3: Plenty to choose from, and this worked out well.
Speaker 4: The trade down helped quite a bit too.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 1: I hope that gives people some insight into how the
Speaker 1: draft is going to play out exactly as we have
Speaker 1: just portrayed here.
Speaker 2: Now, this was a fun exercise.
Speaker 1: What we did here was come up with what Matt Williamson,
Speaker 1: Dale Lawley and myself might pursue. What we think this
Speaker 1: is not what the Steelers are going to do well.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it is, it's a complete coincidence. These
Speaker 1: are our opinions and our actions, is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to stress to you, as they always are in this
Speaker 1: type of programming on all of the Steelers' social media platforms.
Speaker 1: So if you liked it, thank you for finding us.
Speaker 1: We're going to have more of this stuff coming before
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: In late April. Until then, for Matt Williamson and.
Speaker 1: Dale Lawley, Mike Pursuda, this has been the NFL Triple Take,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for watching.