WEBVTT - The Diva Doll Herself 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.719 You don't. You don't love yourself, You don't love yourself. 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.759 Dolls link up. We are here to talk about the 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:26.119 dievia doll herself, Megan or m Threegan as she is 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.280 known in some circles. We I feel like every like 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:35.279 month we anoint someone the deepa doll herself herself. Yet 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.240 maybe that should be a hat Honestly, maybe this month 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.519 that is literally a doll at Megan and Threegan. We 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.760 have both seen the new film and a lot of 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.560 y'all wanted us to talk about it, so we will 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.080 be talking about it today and other, you know, sort 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:58.000 of dumb horror movies that we love to watch. Because 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.920 this is like a virgin the show we'll give yes 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.640 based pop culture. Today's takes. I'm Rosdamino and I'm Fran Toronto. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.399 Hi Fran. We are doing something that we almost never do, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.360 which is recording our news segment in person, and something 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.760 else that we also never do, which is talk about 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.240 drag race. That's not true. We did talk about drag race, right, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:22.600 but we we only talk about main season drag race, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.720 which is to me kind of the only drag race 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.959 that exists, and even that is pushing at pushing it 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.080 because we don't want to be, as we've said before, 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:35.040 a drag Race recap high and several people slid into 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.000 our g ms to warn us not to do and 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.480 we were like, we are not becoming a drag Race podcast. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.920 But obviously we both have watched the premiere of season fifteen, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.720 so we want to give our upfront thoughts about the premiere, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.000 about the queens, and then throughout the season, when we 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.320 feel moved, maybe we'll check in about it, but we 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.400 will not be doing weekly recaps or roocaps, and not 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.480 to tute our on Horn. It's like you hand get 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.560 like drag Race recaps anywhere, right, like all your other 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.880 culture podcast person about it. However, they're all like you know, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.840 sis fag opinions, and so our opinion on this is 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:18.920 you know, nuanced, and there's I don't believe it. That's 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.400 when it comes to I uh am dying When I 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.480 saw when I when I saw that you you were 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.640 watching this season when you decided to you know, join in, 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.520 I was shook what I knew I was gonna. I 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.200 always watched the main season well because literally, like I 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.480 invited you to a drag Race screening on Thursday, and 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.240 you said, I do not want to be in a 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.919 room with people watching drag racers. But that's the difference. 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:42.959 I want to watch it at home alone. I don't 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:47.880 want to be in community with gay people watching. It. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.000 Wasn't all um, it was not all men, luckily, um. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.799 But I also have to I didn't understand that. I 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:55.360 thought you were just like I do not want to 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.840 be in a space where drag races present. Yeah, I 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.560 don't want to be around a bunch of watching I 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:03.880 understand it's not fun for me. I bought the season 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.560 pass on iTunes. I will be watching it every Saturday 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.280 or Sunday. Is it too redundant of a question for 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.760 me to ask? Like? What? What? Why you don't want 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.240 to be in a space watching it versus like watching? 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.840 Like why do you want to watch it at home? 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.480 And what do you not like about? And I'm not 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.200 making this about me. I'm saying, like you would never 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:22.720 go to a gay bar and watch it? I mean 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:27.399 I have so I was a very late joiner. I guess, well, 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.880 I mean we're on season fifteen, But I was. I 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.280 was a holdout, Like like even when I was very 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.720 involved in gay night life, I was very like my 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.080 things like I don't watch drag Race, and then um, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.080 I did start watching it like weirdly enough at a 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.720 fairy sanctuary and it's very strange. Um that was the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.720 first place I ever watched drag Race and what season 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:56.680 season seven? The first episode I ever watched was the 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.760 John Waters episode of season seven, which was like the 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.600 only in a good episode and otherwise kind of boring season, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.840 which did give us some legends. But um, I did 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.920 enjoy watching drag Race in bars the first couple of 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.800 seasons that I watched it live, Like, um, I used 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:17.200 to watch it at Don Pedro at bath salts Um. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:22.800 But it's you know, it's overwhelming. It's like, yes, it's 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.840 fun to be around people like screaming at the screen, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.800 but it's like it becomes like a whole other thing 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.920 when you're watching it with people, and I just like, 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.840 I just wanted to enjoy it in the silence and 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.120 privacy of my own home. Yeah, my friend group and 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.799 I we also like, I like watching in bar settings, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.000 but everyone else in my group is like it's too loud. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.160 I can't hear any of the jokes. Everyone ruins it. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.919 They talk over you know, what's going on because everyone's 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.360 trying to get their gaggon and the audience and everyone's 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:56.039 everyone thinks they're like funny, they're yeah, everyone thinks they're funny. Everyone, 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:00.520 And like, I have no patience for sis gay men 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.280 who think they know more about drag than drag queens. Yeah, 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.360 and like I don't need a guy in fucking Bnobo's 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.400 short being like her look is disgusting, that's not fashion. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.760 It's like, babe, but you are not one to talk? 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.840 Is such an accurate drag I am? Okay, so I 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.520 have to say, you know, I am. I am a 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:27.560 drag race stand all, all of of course acknowledging all 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.520 the annoying things about drag race that come with it. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.040 I went to our friend James scully Um from the 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.359 Fire Island movie invited me to the premiere, and so 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.280 I went to like the New York premier quote unquote 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.000 of drag Race, And it was at Regal Regal Cinema 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.040 Battery Park, like in that interesting like are that one, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.680 And it was just the weirdest vibe. It was not 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.159 like an event then you kind of thing, and then 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.880 the after party it was overall like a lovely, lovely time. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.240 And I loved the event and loved being there, but rose. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.080 The after party for the Drag Race premiere was in 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.760 the center of the mall, at the Oculus, in the 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.760 whitest lighting, the brightest, widest lighting, and I'm like, why 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.920 would you put drag queens under this? I'm sure you know, 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:16.680 but is Yeah, there's like something going on where like 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:21.240 anytime Drag Race contestants convene, like the event planners always like, 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.200 let's put them in the overhead of overhead lights. Turn 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:30.240 the a c off. Oh my god. Anyways, Okay, dying 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.040 to know, initial takes, initial thoughts, favorites, like how did 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.040 you feel watching this episode? In this season, it's a 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.400 little different from usual seasons. I feel in what way 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.440 because it feels well, one, it's the hugest season ever, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.760 most contestants ever. The premiere was split up in a 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.000 way that was like dynamically different than other premiers, and 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.120 I felt like, in a way that was more prominent 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.560 than other seasons. We're getting this kind of Instagram girls 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.560 versus like old schools, not even Instagram girls, TikTok girls. Yes, 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.200 now we are. We now have even progressed because the 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.640 whole like Instagram drag thing is old at this point. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.240 Those are seasoned queens. That's like, you know, really like 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.320 talented social media queens who have already done the thing. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.800 Now there's a whole other thing of like Amethyst coming 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.120 in saying I'm the first queen whoever went viral on TikTok. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:24.960 It's like, I don't know that that's the thing yet. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.400 Also just like I wouldn't if if that were me. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.200 I mean, I loved Amethyst, but I was like, if 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.960 I were the first Instagram queen, I just would never 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.680 say that. I'm also glad that my algorithm never is 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.200 not aware of that. I'm glad I'm not being served, 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.400 you know, viral drag queens. I feel on TikTok. I 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.200 feel although now that I've said it, I'm sure it'll 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.480 come up the next time I phones away I turned 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.640 on I do not disturb. So I have to say 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.800 I'm very proud of the fact that I had never 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.600 heard of Sugar and Spice. Ever, I actually had seen 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.680 seen a video of their's before, because I don't know why. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.200 I think maybe it was on Twitter. Can we start 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.280 with Sugar and Spice? What did you think? So I 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.920 actually think they're kind of furious. They are kind of furious. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.920 I mean they came in. I was like, who are 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:16.400 these at as like fashion nova, you know girls, and 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.440 then you know, like I there were a couple of 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.760 moments where they like showed their ass a little bit, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.640 I think in you know, talking about how long they 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.000 would take to get ready and like running around the 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.040 workroom not knowing where anything was. But also like that's drag, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.319 I think, um it's I was watching the pit stop 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.079 yesterday and one of them said something about how drag 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.440 I think Jink said, drag queens are like gas. They 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.319 will fill any given space. So it's like to give 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.360 them half an hour to get ready, they'll get ready 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:49.920 in half an hour, four hours, they will take four hours. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.920 And like, knowing a lot of drag queens, I know 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.160 that to be true, so like it doesn't surprise me 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.760 that they take a long time to get ready. But 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.480 when it came to the actual like work of drag, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.840 they were kind of sickening. I thought Spices number with 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.920 the Coffin was actually really good. She and unlike a 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.360 lot of the lip sinkers for the Talent Show, she 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.920 was giving facial performance like she was emoting she was funny. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.640 She got the jokes like obviously this whole song was 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:21.680 like written by a team. Probably as were like what 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:28.040 the fuck like Lucien or I really need I mean, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.640 I don't know why girls keep doing original lip sn songs. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.040 I mean Spice. I think they probably like give them like, Okay, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.240 you can record this little lip sync number, or you 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.480 can figure something out yourself, and they like just I 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.560 actually would be very interested to get some kind of 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.880 behind the scenes look at how these things are produced, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.880 but that might ruin the magic. A little um Sugar's 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.200 number was not as good to me, and I actually 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.319 was a little surprised by how positive the judge's reactions 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:05.559 to it were. But then their runway looks was it 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:10.000 was giving a little like leg Avenue Halloween costume, but 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.359 executed really well. I thought the bell look was amazing. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.120 I thought, you know, obviously they were going to be safe, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:18.959 but if they weren't going to be I felt like 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:23.400 Michelle would have dragged them for having corresponding costumes because 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.240 like when the when the aerial costume, when the aerial 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.720 look came out, I was like, oh, well, does the 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.120 area look look as good without the bell costume right, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.920 and so like, what's their strategy outside of each other's 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.960 like some of the questions that are buzzing in my 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.840 head about sugar and spice. But I also immediately was like, oh, no, 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.920 do I stand And I think a lot of that 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.280 had to do with the fact that they entered the 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.360 workroom and they immediately cut themselves down. They like, they 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.160 made they made jokes at their own expense. They were 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.320 not they didn't take themselves too seriously, and they felt 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.800 pretty honest about the fact that they knew they had 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.000 to earn rapport and respect from their felt queens who 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.640 were who have been doing this on the ground for 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.360 so long, and I think that is the only way 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.120 they could have done it right. So they were very 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.600 self aware. I also did really like the moment where 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:15.040 they thought that Irene and Mistress hated each other and 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.880 they were like, no, you've just never been around literally 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.320 never experienced shade, And that's really interesting and so tell 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:26.040 I think that will be a very interesting um narrative 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.240 to see play out over the course of the season, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.120 depending on how long they stick around. Is like them 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.880 for the first time being part of a sisterhood of 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.440 drag queens. And also I loved Irene and when Irene 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.040 was like I did, I'm sorry I did. And I 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.760 met her at the premier end, and my love for 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.800 Irene doubled down when I met her because she said 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.200 so many different funny things and but I um when 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:49.960 she was like when she said in the workfroom, she 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:51.880 was like, I have to be honest. Girls, like I 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.000 wish you would throw it back at me. I was 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.920 like me too, because like back in the days of 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.000 I just rewatched or I'm rewatching currently season re Raja's season, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.319 I'm watching season five, babe. Okay. After after our Harri convo, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.800 I was like, to go back to the Golden spoiler 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.920 alert we talk about it with Harri in the future 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.360 spoiler alert where we have an episode of coming Out. Yes, um, 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.200 I missed that shade. I missed that era of Shade. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.240 And now the girls are way too cognizant of the 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.240 camera and how they're going to be perceived online or 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.000 get the villain at it, and so they don't want 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.200 to to throw it back. And I was like, no, Irene, yeah, 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.560 because like there's no worse people in the world than 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.960 drag Race exactly, and you know Irene, you know some 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.080 of her some of her things were not funny. That 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.960 which is the issue. It's like that's actually just like 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.800 rude and but like a lot of other most of 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:42.400 them were not funny. Also, after they after they got 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.560 out of Drag and she was like sitting on that table, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.280 she was like, I can't wait for them to see 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.199 me and see how hot I am out of drag. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.120 It's like, girl, I don't know if you're doing quite 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.040 what you think you're doing. I I like, well, yeah, 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.040 I mean you don't ever want to say that. Similar 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.400 with like Aura when or I thought Ura was obviously 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.440 the hottest, but when Ura was like I'm hot, And 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.120 when she said she you can't call yourself of the season. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.160 Someone has to call you that really quickly. Can we 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.760 talk about Trade of the season because I thought Oura 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:11.800 was going to be it, but there are a lot 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.080 of rene of them. Or Trade of the season. Okay, 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.560 this is a fundamental mission of what trade is, because 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.440 trade is trade is unclockable, and all of these girls 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.880 are clocky t shots and I can say that Ura 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.200 is the most mask but yeah, I do tend to 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.160 agree with you. Well, this is a total creation of drags, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:38.120 which is like the idea of the split between being 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.040 a queen and being a hot boy. Like this is 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.040 something Charlie has talked about before. It's like this is 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:48.560 like totally toxic, and I just think the queens who 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.600 are very preoccupied with being hot men out of drag 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:58.240 are really fucking annoying and like that is like not listen, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.280 I'm not drag queen, but it's like not very true 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.920 to the legacy of drag. This idea of like the 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.400 split between you and your drag character. It's a very 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:11.880 Rupaulian invention and its just like it's not it's it's 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.720 giving misogyny a little bit, it is and it's giving 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.960 um oh, like do you even really care about drag 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.120 or you just like, you know, like a b F 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.040 A kid who was like, well, I guess I'm going 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.120 to be successful as a drag queen. And because I 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.000 can't get cast in like a pilot god. I mean 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.040 there's a lot of b A fake girls in this season, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.040 but mar mar I have to talk about Marsha, but 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.200 like not to be that girl. Trade also is like 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.840 one of the many words within drag race lexicon that 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.200 has like come from black culture and so like when 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.040 when these like all these girls like try to use 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.760 it in this like very specific like TV way that 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.320 is not rooted in like how it's originally created, it's 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.640 just like not true. So not using the word trade though, 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.200 I will have to say, there are a lot of 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.760 hot queens, Like I think a Nietra is so fine. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.440 I think is so fine. I mean he's like okay, yeah, 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:06.280 I thought actually that Amethyst was pretty cute and unfortunately, unfortunately, 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:12.120 unfortunately sugar. How much do you think people offer to 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.760 like them to like do you mean they like constantly 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.720 get like ingreious. I don't know. They were giving me 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.600 you know that video of the twins who were like 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.840 who are like on vacation. They're like, yeah, we want 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.640 you to come and funk us with that, Like that's 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.480 what they were giving me. What if Okay, this is 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.240 my conspiracy theory, is that one of them isn't gay 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.960 and they were like that and it's all marketing them. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:38.960 They were like yeah, they were like, this will be 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.880 good for the brand for both drag queens. It's probably 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.240 sugar because sugar wasn't as good. Yeah, okay, that's a 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.840 great conspiracy theory, so we'll see how that plays out 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.480 over the course of the season. Um, I'm sorry, dear 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.480 visions that it's taken up, taken us this long to 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:58.960 talk about or to say the name Sasha Colby mother mother. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.440 There was so a mother of her, and to show 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.760 up the way she did and the way they were 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.520 all gagged when she walked in the doors that they're like, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.880 oh fuck, I guess I'm not winning this season. And 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.720 every drag queen's favorite drag queen is who she is. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.840 She is. It's like how they say that so and 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.680 so is a comedians comedian, Sasha Colby is a drag 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.520 queen's drag queen exactly. And and if you have never 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.800 had the sublime experience of seeing Sasha perform in person, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.560 I can only say that it is only in person 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.040 that you understand like the magnitude that Sasha carries like 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.560 she has a visceral emotionality that is a full body 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.200 and face performance. And she also, unlike all the other girls, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.360 doesn't do kicks, turns, dips and splits as much as 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:51.240 she does interpretive like body horror, like super weird like 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.280 dancing that is like antithetical to a lot of like 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.920 drag style, which is why I think her performance and 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.480 the Talent Show didn't translate. It wasn't quite as as 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.399 like gaggy through the screen, but it was tell major 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.040 you can tell from the judges faces. Yeah you oh 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.639 the way Ariana was, you know, like I know that 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:14.280 if I was in a room watching that that I 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.400 would have been living. And here's the other thing. Sasha 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.879 like she's done that Cranberry's performance before, she had it 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.080 in her repertoire, like she knows she's not gonna blow 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.080 her all her tricks in the first go, like she's 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.440 going to save them so which which is glad she did. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.520 It's smart. But I think some of the other girls 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.720 who don't have the kind of you know, um uh air, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.439 don't have the legend around them that Sasha Kolby does 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.760 did need to come right up the gate and show 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.640 off their best ship like a Nietra who I mean 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.920 she tour tour deserve to win. I'm now in love 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.200 with her online and I followed her, and I really 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.080 I'm very very specific about who I follow on Instagram, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.040 Like I'm I do not follow unless I have to, yes, you, 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.880 It's it's sort of the same way with real Housewives. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.480 It's like it takes a yeah for me. I don't 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.000 mean I don't really follow direct people. I do sometimes, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.080 especially during the season, and then I'm on follow laid 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.159 if you get annoying after a season over, but I 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.040 get annoying. I was already following Sasha and Jack's but 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.840 I did decide to follow Anitra because I was like, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.320 I love your story. And I also don't know any 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:39.439 Vegas queens. But yeah, speaking of you know, girls that 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.000 have to prove themselves. Back to Marsha, Marsha, Marsha, she 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.200 surprised me. Yeah, I I thought it was very close 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.320 to Willow Hill's performance from last season. Was almost a 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:55.560 little too close. Yes, but she did something different, which 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.479 was the dance element, and she executed it well. And 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.560 I have to say when she came out, like, I 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.160 do like the look, I love the name. I think 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.199 it's very funny, and I hope that, especially in some 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.919 of the acting challenges, she will get a chance to 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.359 show up her b f A or whatever, but definitely 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.880 not her makeup skip No, I mean she was wearing 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.200 no makeing. Wait, baby, did you clock this? I mean, 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.480 this is like such a you and I thing. But 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:24.159 when Ari came in her idol Arianna and she was 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.440 like freaking out because this is like her favorite person. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.919 She is like her her role model or whatever. Marcia 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.280 said to Ari, I'm wearing a full face of your 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.720 makeup right now, and I was like, babe, they don't 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.640 make foundations. Yes, I was like, honey, Ari, m beauty 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.639 is like daytime, like mall girl makeup, Like it's not 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.919 drag makeup like that. But it is good. It is. 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.679 It is yeah, um, But I love that they dragged 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.240 her immediately for like not having makeup on and also 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.679 saying she had an unstyled human unit. Again, it's like 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.160 a lot of those The first couple of girls who 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.919 walked in, it was give and because I'm rewatching season 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.679 five right now, and I also did watch the first 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:08.720 episode of season four, it was giving like old drag 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.600 race where they used to come in with shaking the 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.000 wigs on. Absolutely it was and no makeup and listen, 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.280 you know that we're I know that we're doing the 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.760 same thing that I was annoyed about before, which is 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.560 we are people who do not do and we are 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.760 giving our opinions on people who do the insane amount 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.040 of work that it takes to get into drags. So like, 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.720 please take everything we say with a grain of salt. 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:34.160 But also we are people who exist in very close 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.000 proximity to a lot of drag queens and have for 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.480 a long time, So like, our opinions are somewhat educated, 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:43.119 but also like we we know nothing. Actually, no, no, 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.720 no, no no, I I disagree. I disagree with that. I 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.040 think it is important, yes, to say like people that 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.280 don't do drag, like you need to understand your place 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.879 and criticizing drag. But you and I we know a 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.440 fucking lot about drag because we've been in that world 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:00.439 for a very long time. I actually think that not 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.600 to do I'm sorry. Maybe I'll only speak for myself, 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:04.680 but I do think that you and I have been 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.159 in nightlife for a very long time, and I personally 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.320 drag is my favorite art form. I've consumed it like 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.399 massively for years and years and have relationships and um 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:17.520 use and hire and work with so many queens that 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.199 you know, the majority of which have never been on 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.760 drag race. And so I do actually feel extremely qualified 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.760 in my opinion to talk about drag. I mean, I 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.760 feel qualified to talk about sort of the over but 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.840 I understand the sentiment of what I'm saying. I feel 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.960 qualified to talk about the overall performance, but like, I 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.080 just want everyone who listens to take it with a 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.480 grain of songs that talk about people's makeup and like 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.240 these skills that we absolutely could not replicate it. I'm 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.959 not saying we could. It's just as someone who has 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.480