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Speaker 1: All these years. It had to end this way. I

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Speaker 2: She's a fourteen time Grammy winner, Academy Award winner, Army

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was a really special tour to me.

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Speaker 1: It is so olympic what you do with your voice.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Take sixteen, I go I'm gonna try something completely different

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Speaker 1: I know so many vocal discoveries on this and so

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Speaker 4: That we're hearing yes, and which character is going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And why yes? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember there was this very early early

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Speaker 1: So I didn't want not mean to call you a bitch. No,

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Speaker 1: you said this, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: No, but it's like, wait, hold on, my soul is

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Speaker 2: And like, I just think the characters are not so

443
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,800
Speaker 2: much characters as they are the knowledge and this and

444
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,479
Speaker 2: being the student music of entertainment, like you embody all

445
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 2: of these things. And so I think with Mayhem, I

446
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 2: think with this album, it's like Bobby was saying that

447
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: this is probably the most authentically you album you've ever

448
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 2: put out. That makes me think, well, then there's something

449
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 2: to Gaga being an amalgamation of all these different things

450
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 2: and these genres and these studied detailed musical exercises, I guess,

451
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 2: but like that's who you are because I couldn't boil

452
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: you down to one thing, and I'm sure you couldn't either.

453
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 4: No, I mean I am definitely all of these things,

454
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 4: and that that's what Mayhem is.

455
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 3: It's a celebration of all of that.

456
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 4: And you know it's so funny as you're talking about

457
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 4: this too, I'm like thinking about this moment where Michael

458
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 4: Michael was in the studio every day. Michael executive produced

459
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 4: the record with me, and there was at one point

460
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 4: I was like, really into this electro grunge sound like

461
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 4: on Perfect Celebrity.

462
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 2: It's a.

463
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,400
Speaker 1: Were saying garbage.

464
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm like, oh, We're gonna make the

465
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 4: whole album life and I'm going to change everything and

466
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 4: he and he was like, no, you are not. You

467
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 4: can't do that because but he was right, because I

468
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 4: am all of the different genres, all of the different approaches,

469
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 4: all the different processes. That's why it ultimately is Mayhem

470
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 4: is because if you're stepping really far back, it like

471
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense. But when you put it all together,

472
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 4: it's me and I appreciate you seeing that in me.

473
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 4: I feel like since the beginning of my career, there

474
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 4: was always some type of criticism coming from somewhere of

475
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 4: like but who are you? You know, and like what

476
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 4: is Lady Gaga? And can you explain it to me?

477
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 4: And what's your style? And you know, you know, what's

478
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 4: what genre?

479
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 3: Really is? Should I what should I call you?

480
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: Like?

481
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: What's your what do you really like? You know?

482
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 4: And I think that first of all, I was terrified

483
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 4: to make a pop record again, and I decided to

484
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 4: do it. And I felt very supported in doing it

485
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: by Michael, by my family, by you know, everyone around me.

486
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 4: But feeling like people think you're chaotic is there's something

487
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 4: There was a joy in that for a while, but

488
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 4: there was also like a pain in that too.

489
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: Was that what the fear was coming from?

490
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's like, especially as a woman, people are

491
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: like you're you're chaos. Like it's kind of like part

492
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 4: of me is like, uh huh, you know, and then

493
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,719
Speaker 4: the other part of me is like, but what what

494
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 4: do you mean by that?

495
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: Right?

496
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 4: And likes it's kind of like you're a mess, and

497
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 4: like you're a mess because I can't figure out how

498
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 4: to organize you and I don't know how to think

499
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 4: about you. And I think what I want my fans

500
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: to know is like that's other people's problem. That's not

501
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 4: your problem.

502
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 3: You can be the whole you.

503
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: And that was that was a part of this record,

504
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 4: and I felt I felt excited as a female producer too,

505
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: like just doing whatever I wanted when I wanted to

506
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 4: in the way that I heard it. And I'm so happy,

507
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 4: Like even before we started that you brought up Killer

508
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 4: because it's like, my.

509
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Thank you. No, you don't even know. We

510
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 1: heard it twice and we've been like grabbing onto that

511
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: in our brain, like this whole album. Let's talk about

512
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: the album like it's like face, melty brain, scratchy heart,

513
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: screamy pop dance with this theme of mortality throughout. Okay, Yes,

514
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: and I wanted to. I know you've said before, like

515
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: you listen to a horror you watch a horror movie

516
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: every night before you go to bed. I don't know

517
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: if you're in that zone now, but the theme of

518
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: death and like dancing in the face of it is

519
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: obviously all over this. What I've always wanted to ask you, though,

520
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: is how much are you laughing while you're creating? Like

521
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: how much is joy and humor and laughter a part

522
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: of your creative process when you're making music, all of it. Yeah,

523
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: it is.

524
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 4: There's a lot of humor on Killa, especially funny record. Yes,

525
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 4: Ride a funny record. I'm like, not that confident. The

526
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 4: person that wrote that record is confident. But I would

527
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 4: say also though that it's like the process is a

528
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 4: little bit manic, because I also get really serious, and

529
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: I know I can be difficult to work with because like,

530
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm a very warm hearted person, but when I'm like songwriting,

531
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 4: I get like, you want what you want. I'm like,

532
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm trying to listen to what I'm hearing and get

533
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 4: it out as fast as possible. But then maybe I'll

534
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, the lyric I'm a Kila and boy

535
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 4: You're going to die tonight and like right, and then

536
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 4: that's funny and then that comes out. But then I

537
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 4: get serious again because I'm trying to figure out if

538
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 4: the guitar lick is right, and I'm like, no, it's

539
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: not that when it's this windard again, like it's kind

540
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: of a Yes, the process is chaotic, and I'm not

541
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 4: also a very linear thinker. I'm very tangentile, and sometimes

542
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: if I can't get one part of the song right,

543
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: I will need to stay on it for three days,

544
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: like a bassline or a guitar riff, and then other

545
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 4: times I will move on from it and go I'll

546
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 4: go like no, no.

547
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: Let's go to the pre chorus.

548
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: Now.

549
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's sort of it's very nonlinear process

550
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: and I love it and I love it and I'm

551
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 4: so like also appreciative that my partner, like he you know,

552
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: the first few years that we were together, I wasn't

553
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 4: in the studio, and when he saw me start to

554
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: make music, he was like, oh my god, I've like,

555
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: I've never seen you happier and when you're making music

556
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: and that and that was I felt very seen by that.

557
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: And I think why it is so important to me

558
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 4: is when you grow up in the public eye, as

559
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 4: you know, there's things that people grow to like about you,

560
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 4: but there's things that they don't know about you, Like

561
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: they don't know that you that's like maybe deep in

562
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: reflection at home working on something.

563
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: They know the outward facing you.

564
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: So it feels really nice to be seen by someone

565
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: for the thing that.

566
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: The thing that you do alone that makes.

567
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: You special, that's your gift, right like the thing the

568
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: world doesn't see.

569
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you even alluded to this

570
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: in the Oscar acceptance, where you were just like this

571
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: is hard work. There are sacrifices that need to be

572
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: made to get to this point. Like the reason I'm

573
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: on the stage is because I worked so hard. And

574
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: that is the essential thing about you, Lady Gaga, is

575
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: that you're.

576
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: You're I love being here, I love it.

577
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: I love also community, So like being with you and

578
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: talking with you and bonding over music is like, this

579
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 4: is the thing I probably missed the most from my

580
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: time before I became famous. I did an interview downtown

581
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 4: last week, and I picked the location and I was like,

582
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 4: we got to go to this bar that I used

583
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: to write music at, and we did the interview there,

584
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 4: and I like cried during the interview talking about all

585
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: my friends.

586
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: Down there and welcome to the Johnson's nice I went to.

587
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: Like there was a lot of bars down there that

588
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 4: we went to, but that was just one of them.

589
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: And I used to go there during the day, like

590
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: I'd got like one o'clock and like order a you know, paps,

591
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: blue ribbon and a shot of whiskey and riding a napkin.

592
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 3: But living around artists, being around uh writers, songwriters, comedians, photographers, actors, musicians,

593
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: go go dancers, club promoters. You know.

594
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: We were all like, we were all like our own

595
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: little group and we supported each other. And it was

596
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: actually really hard to go to Hollywood and do what

597
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 4: I was doing there because it was just not like

598
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: New York at all, And I know you you know

599
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 4: about New York. And so this is actually hugely like

600
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 4: a deep, a deep joy for me to be here

601
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 4: because we get to I get to like do the

602
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: thing that made like it's part of who I am.

603
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 3: Right, it was like talking about it all.

604
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: We'll talk about your current community, which is like what

605
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: circa gaesophl Stein, which, by the way, Killa. When I

606
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: see Killa fe drink Stein, I'm like, well, I think

607
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: I have an expectation with the song is did not?

608
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: I know?

609
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 4: Then he flipped the script on everyone. Yeah, thank you,

610
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: thank you. Kasofelstein is very very talented. He's very specific.

611
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: I won't give away any of his secrets of how

612
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: he works, but I loved working on that record with him,

613
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: and it's so funny. Every time we talk to each other,

614
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: we always go like, oh man, I love this song.

615
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: This song.

616
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: It's very special.

617
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: It's an industrial funk song. Yeah, the only live instrument on.

618
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: It is the good I go to ask electronics.

619
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, It's it's just really it's so

620
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: different for me, and I think there's areas of mayhem

621
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: that are the tip of the iceberg of where I

622
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 4: might even go next, you know, Like that's that was

623
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: some of the joy of making the album, was going like,

624
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: oh no, I'm not done with this, right, you know,

625
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: now I have to take this further.

626
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Talk about sequencing this one, because I feel like that

627
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: was its own process.

628
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: It sequencing the album was. I mean, Michael was like

629
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: worried about me. He was like, are you okay? And

630
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 4: I said no, Like I just kept listening to the

631
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: songs and in every conceivable order, right, Because there's there's versions.

632
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: It's it's you know, do you do it? But by bpm?

633
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: That's like the most to me, the most obvious first

634
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 4: version is like for it to feel like one night

635
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: at a club, right, And then there's the other version

636
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, but do you do it? Based

637
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: on the story and like is there a story that

638
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: I'm telling her? Which there is? So I I did

639
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: kind of a mixture of both of those things, And

640
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: the album kind of starts out with like the Devil

641
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: on your shoulder whispering to you, like, would you like

642
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: to make some bad decisions tonight, because like I'll help you,

643
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 4: Like I can fix this feeling that you're haven't And

644
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: by the end of the album, you know you've gone

645
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: through joy, you've gone through partying, you've gone through anger.

646
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean, perfect Celebrities may be the most angry song

647
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: I've ever made. Ye then Vanish into You is a

648
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: song about wanting to disappear into someone. It's it's a

649
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: happy love song, but it's also dark. We're happy just

650
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 4: to be alive. And then Killa keeps the party going,

651
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: but it's like that, it's that moment at the party

652
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: when you were like a little numbed.

653
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Out the end your the outros are incredible, Thank.

654
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: You, thank you. I am a very big fan of

655
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: the outros too.

656
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: We actually had a thought to release the outros like

657
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 4: two days before the album, just but I don't think

658
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm going to do it.

659
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the hesitation?

660
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because I feel like when you hear them

661
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 4: as an actual outro, it's like then then it's an outro,

662
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: But if I give it, then it's a snippet.

663
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: But then it's a snippet, and then it kind of

664
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: is decontextualized from the actual work.

665
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Killa, you really experience that outro because

666
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: of the beginning, like it, I kind of need the beginning.

667
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: Cinderella has got to walk up the stairs before the glippery.

668
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other song that I feel like was like

669
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: we we listened to several times and the build on

670
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: this one is just amazing. But it's so different for

671
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: you we feel is how Bad do You Want Me?

672
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: We love Oh my God, You're lessing?

673
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: Put that on the album you did because it's like

674
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: throwback you for you because it's it's very pop. It

675
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: really very much.

676
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: It's like a total hyper pop song.

677
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: But I was like, I hear like a high school

678
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: girl singing this like you're You're how bad do you want?

679
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like it, you know what I mean? Like

680
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: we can we can see and hear the character in this,

681
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: like tell us about that song.

682
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So very funny story is Michael and I started

683
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: that song at home, but I had I started it first,

684
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: and he heard me singing it and he walks in

685
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 4: from the kitchen and he goes, is that about me?

686
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: I was like no, And then he came on in

687
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 4: and we started to like finish it together. And you know,

688
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 4: that song embodies a feeling that I've had probably my

689
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 4: whole life, which is that I always felt archetyped as

690
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: the bad girl. And it's why the lyric is kind

691
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: of funny, you like my hair, my ripped up jeans,

692
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 4: because like that's like so stereotypical, Like the girl with

693
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: ripped jeans is bad, right, and so it's so kind

694
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: of silly and humorous. So but but I've always felt

695
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: this kind of like I don't know, shame that I'm

696
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: I've always been at war with this feeling that if

697
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: I am, you know, interested in someone that like they're

698
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: actually longing for a good girl, but they're stuck with me.

699
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: And I'm who they really want.

700
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: But like we're in this like three way relationship and

701
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: there there is no actual other good girl, but the

702
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 4: good girls like in their head and they're and they're

703
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: kind of comparing me the whole time.

704
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, exactly, Oh my god, you we love it.

705
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: What I'm telling you. We've been like just texting it

706
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: to each other, like so you want me for real?

707
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the good girl in your dreams is mad. You're

708
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: loving me? I know you wish that she was me?

709
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: How bad do you want me?

710
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: So? Yeah?

711
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: And I like it's so funny too, because it's a

712
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: fun pop song. But I cried when I read it,

713
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: like it was like.

714
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: My favorite kind of song, emotional pop, Like I have

715
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: a have a.

716
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: I have some voice recordings of it somewhere that I have,

717
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: like from the original that. Yeah, maybe I'll just drop

718
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: those one at some point.

719
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: That's that's the teas.

720
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: But I also was also not charge I should put

721
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: that on the record, and Michael was like, you have to, like,

722
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: your fans are going to love that song.

723
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: What was the hesitation around that about?

724
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

725
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: Sometimes when things are really super pop, I get like,

726
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, I get a weird reaction.

727
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think that comes from?

728
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: I don't know. I felt this way about just Dance.

729
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: Thank God I didn't listen to myself.

730
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because.

731
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: I was going to I was gonna ask is it

732
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: about the prior work? But I think there's something about

733
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: this current team around Mayhem, between Wanton Circuit and Paris.

734
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: It's like these are all people who understand what came

735
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: before but are facing and have a vision for the future.

736
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: For yes, I mean Andrew.

737
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: What was great about working with him is he also

738
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: plays a lot of different instruments, and I know how

739
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 4: to write on all those different instruments. So if I

740
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: if we were in the studio, I would just be like, okay,

741
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: like play the guitar this way, do the bassline this one.

742
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 4: Then we would do it over and over and we

743
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: would riff back and forth. Circuit is an amazing musician. Also,

744
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 4: he's also like the fastest producer programmer that I've ever

745
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 4: seen it ever. He's wildly fast. So he also does

746
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: amazing analog synth work. We had like every iconic analog

747
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: synth possible in the studio. Andrew also had a mechanic

748
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: there that was working on the synth to kind of

749
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: like bring out the low end in certain areas and

750
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: like sort of like tailor the instruments to be unique

751
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: for the album. And Gastoffelstein, I will share nothing, Okay.

752
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: The man is a mystery and I'm gonna feel that way.

753
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 3: He shall remain well.

754
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, also die with a smile at the end of

755
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: the the album, it's this beautiful moment of like, first

756
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: of all, the first line being I just woke up

757
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: from a dream really kind of works after what's happened,

758
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: And then it does feel like a beautiful cinematic like

759
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: credits role the Waltz too, which I love.

760
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: Thank you.

761
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 4: I you know, as a personal choice, I really wanted

762
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: the mayhem to end.

763
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: Uh. That's beautiful, you know what I mean?

764
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 4: Like, because Blade of Grass is a beautiful song, but

765
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: you don't get the feeling that the mayhem is over with.

766
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 4: Blade of Grass is a song about saying I'm gonna

767
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: spend the rest of my life with you, but I

768
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 4: just want you to know that now that you've asked

769
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: me to spend the rest of my life with you,

770
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: all I can think about is how hard it was

771
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 4: to get here.

772
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: Wow.

773
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: So I did make the decision that I wanted there

774
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: to be a message of hope on the record because

775
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: I and like, I don't I feel nervous about speaking

776
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: about mental health issues at this stage of my life.

777
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 4: I think only because I talked about them so much

778
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: for so many years, and I I'm so passionate about

779
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: mental health and people getting help.

780
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: But I also like I like deal with.

781
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: My own sort of nerves about people only talking about

782
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: me in that way, like I don't want to be

783
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: defined by that time in my life. But I will

784
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 4: say that like having personal mayhem and like struggling mentally,

785
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: that is a very particular kind of chaos that I

786
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 4: hope that people who do struggle like hear this record

787
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: and then know that there's peace at the end of

788
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: it and that it can get better, because it truly

789
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 4: got better for me and I just really wanted that

790
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: to be a part of it. And also in working

791
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 4: with Bruno, who like one hundred percent collaborated with me

792
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 4: like head to head, musician to musician, and I'm usually

793
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: the only woman in the room when I'm making music

794
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: and to be treated with that kind of respect really

795
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 4: meant a lot to me. And it felt it felt

796
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 4: like it felt like the only way to put a

797
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 4: period on the end of the album, if that makes sense.

798
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: Like like that, I and also that I'm sure you've

799
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: heard the phrase reheating your nachos, right, It's like I've

800
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: never heard that, and I was like, what is this?

801
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: It's running.

802
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I have to say, like there's something beautiful

803
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: in it because I think being a female artist, there

804
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: was always pressure on me. What is she going to

805
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: do next? How is she going to reinvent herself? How

806
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: is she going to change? Well, you know, she's going

807
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: to do the same thing forever, and then I would

808
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 4: reinvent myself and I would change, and they'd be like,

809
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: we wish she was, like, you know, she used to

810
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: be right. And I think what I realized making this

811
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: album is there is a sound and a style and

812
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 4: a way of creating music that I did come up with,

813
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: and I'm owning it on this album and it's it's

814
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 4: to me.

815
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: I did it in a new way.

816
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: And I also took myself to musical places that have

817
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 4: never been to before.

818
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: And I was a student of music.

819
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: But I think it's okay for anyone to own their

820
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: own inventions and be like, this is me, and you know,

821
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: I'm the creator of me. And a lot of female

822
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 4: artists we know this that people say, well, that record

823
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: was successful because of this producer, that this thing was

824
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 4: successful because and it's not fair to women to do that.

825
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: It's women are creators as well.

826
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: We are the creators of our lives and it's our

827
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: vision and you know we weren't made.

828
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 3: We made ourselves.

829
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: I think out of all your albums, this one stands

830
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: as like a true artistic statement for you. It is

831
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: your your painting with every color on the palette. You know,

832
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think you should ever well, first

833
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 2: of all, I don't think you will ever be defined

834
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: by any of the mental health conversation. It's only been

835
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: helpful to people. You you have literally you say to

836
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: my life, I would listen to Marry the Night in

837
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: very dark times. I still do, Oh my god, Tuesday

838
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: night writing at at SNL. Sometimes I'll I'll hit that track.

839
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: I got to Marry the fucking Night because it's four

840
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: am and I got to I have a sketch.

841
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: To finish, you know what I mean?

842
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: I do like it's I completely understand this relationship you

843
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: have with the people. The way people talk about your

844
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: life and what you've gone through, it is only enriching

845
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: what the work is.

846
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: Thank thank you, I thanks for sharing that. I'm so

847
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 4: sorry that you go through those times. I think it's

848
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 4: you know, it's like something I have to work through

849
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: because it really was true.

850
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: That for a while. And I don't know if you

851
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: can relate to this anyway.

852
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: But it's sometimes when you get to that place, talking

853
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: about it is the healthiest thing for you, Yes, and

854
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: like you have to get it out, and if you

855
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: don't get it out, you're just living in silence about it,

856
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 4: and it's like the secret that is making you feel

857
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 4: more sick. So yeah, I'm you know, I'm a work

858
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: in progress. It's like I'm just you know, I'm not

859
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: an authority on anything. Really, I just am a person

860
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 4: and I love making people happy and I hope that

861
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 4: people will put on mayhem, start to finish and just

862
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: have a good time because it's ultimately meant to be

863
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 4: a celebration of you. But I think I did make

864
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 4: it for those that feel like maybe they don't always

865
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: know how to make sense of themselves, and I'm saying,

866
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: like that's cool, it's okay, you don't have to make

867
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: perfect sense of it.

868
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: That's what the sequencing is about. In the end, That's

869
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: probably why you landed on this order of songs, because

870
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: that's the statement that's right.

871
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: Well, we have the central question of our podcast that

872
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: we ask everybody that we're going to ask of you,

873
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: Lady Yaga, which is what was the culture that made

874
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: you say culture was for me. This can be anything

875
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: from a film you saw that moved you in a

876
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: certain direction, a song and artist, something environmental. If you

877
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: could think, I became something close to Lady Yaga, if

878
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: not full on Lady Gaga in this moment.

879
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: I have a few different ones.

880
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: I feel like we love that.

881
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: I think the one that is the most important to

882
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 4: me is I had gay friends in high school. And

883
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: I didn't have a lot of friends in high school,

884
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: and I went to an all girls school, which means

885
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: that when school was over, I used to walk like

886
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: eight blocks away to the boys' school and they weren't

887
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 4: out yet. But we were friends and we would do

888
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: the musicals together and I found my people. And then

889
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 4: later in my career when I started performing out and

890
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: I had LGBTQ plus fans, I was like, Oh, this

891
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 4: is the community that loved me when I was a child,

892
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 4: and this is the community that I'm meant to be

893
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: a part of now. And so I don't think I

894
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: would be Lady Gaga without the queer community.

895
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Wow, you're such an important friend in the life of

896
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: a gay person when you are that person, you know

897
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that, that's such a silly way

898
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: to seek with those words sequencing. But I'll just never

899
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: forget my safe spaces when I wasn't out, when I

900
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: was in high school, when I felt like I could

901
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: talk about my influences, talk about the music I wanted

902
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, like telling all the boys

903
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: in my school that I liked to Limp Biscuit and

904
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: all love to them. But I wanted to talk about

905
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera and then finding the girls and being like,

906
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: don't you love the last track? Obvious I'm the self

907
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: titled you know what I mean. Like, it's just like

908
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: being able to share a language and share a humor,

909
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: and you have grown into such a maximum version of

910
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: that and it was I mean, jumping around. We just

911
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: have to say, it was so beautiful, and thank you

912
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: so much for saying what you said on the Grammys.

913
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: So for speaking to our community and speaking to the

914
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: trans community people that need it the most.

915
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: That was my absolute privilege.

916
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 4: And I promised myself that if I want a Grammy

917
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 4: that night, I was going to say something that was

918
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: in support of something that is so so important, which

919
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 4: is to be protective and loving to a community that

920
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 4: is experiencing violence.

921
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: Yep.

922
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: It's my privilege to be a part of this community

923
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: and it's the language that we speak to each other.

924
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: And it's also like, thank you for teaching me so

925
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 4: much about the world. I couldn't be the person that

926
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: I am without the stories of all of the people

927
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: that I've met and the authenticity and the realness. Like

928
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 4: I have so many gay friends that like just share

929
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: with me their truth and that's a real gift.

930
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: Like how many people do you meet that don't do that?

931
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: Right everybody?

932
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: And it's like that can be also not a great

933
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: way to move through the world.

934
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: So you know, to me, this is my privilege to

935
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 4: be a part of it, and I know I wouldn't

936
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: be the same. And you know, I think like Born

937
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 4: this Way for me was it's like easily my favorite

938
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: album that I that I ever created. And what's interesting

939
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: is the second and to the question that you asked me,

940
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: if I could think of another culture, it would be

941
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 4: that culture of friends on the Lower East Side, And

942
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: Born this Way was a mixture of the inspiration of

943
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: the queer community, my love of the queer community, as

944
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: well as like this like techno rock, electro rock, underground

945
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: New York metal, scene that I was a part of,

946
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: so you know, all of those things like that Blender

947
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: is like truly what makes me me and it still is.

948
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 4: And I think this is an important time for us

949
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: all to be reroll with each other and ask for

950
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 4: what we need from each other.

951
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: Well, something about that night where you want the Grammy

952
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: with Bruno That was so impawtful because I was just

953
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: watching at home kind of just because a couple of

954
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: hours gone by in the show already, and I was

955
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 2: just like, I guess no one's really addressing what's going

956
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: on in like a real important way, and you were.

957
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: You broke the seal on that, And then the immediate

958
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: response from the audience and from people at home was

959
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: thank god, something so grateful because I will always think

960
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: about the way you handled the rumors and the way

961
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: you even talked about with Anderson Cooper, which was like

962
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: would that be such a bad thing, Like the fact

963
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: that you were even talking about this recently where you're

964
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: like you had to decide whether or not you would

965
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: quote unquote fix the rumor, But how would that make

966
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: someone feel if they were trans And why would you

967
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: inject more shame into that situation? Because I think there

968
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: was some turning point in Lady Gaga as an artist

969
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: who was studying fame, because that's a moment where I

970
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: don't know, we experienced this such a smaller scale than

971
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: you obviously, but it's like, there's nothing more frustrating than

972
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: someone saying something about you that isn't true and you

973
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: don't have the opportunity to address it or you're not.

974
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: All you want to say is that's not true. But

975
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: for you to flip that on its head and be like,

976
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: if it were true, who fucking cares?

977
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: Is huge.

978
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

979
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think that was probably the most responsible I

980
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: ever felt for the words that were going to come

981
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: out of my mouth at that point. Like I really

982
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,959
Speaker 4: kind of did understand that the way that I would

983
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 4: react to that would, I thought be meaningful. But to

984
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: be frank, I didn't think about it for very long. No,

985
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: But seriously, it was outrageous to me that it was

986
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: also kind of a weird thing, like, so, how do

987
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: you feel about these rumors? I'm like, like, what are

988
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: we talking? What are we talking about? These are people's lives,

989
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 4: These are people's real lives. And that's what makes me

990
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 4: so upset about it today is when I see when

991
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: I see people peering down at others and making it

992
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 4: making it like socially acceptable to peer down and to

993
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: say that the trans community should be treated this way

994
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: is wrong. It is wrong, It's violent. It is everything

995
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 4: I hate, it is everything.

996
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: I should just go after the most vulnerable people. Yes,

997
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: that's why community is so important though, because had you

998
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: not been exposed to community and had you not like,

999
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: had this understanding of people's humanity, someone may have been

1000
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: put in that situation as like a pop star that's

1001
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: being rocketed to fame and like, you know, aggressively trying

1002
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: to be defined by this thing that the media is

1003
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: like you know inherently saying is like some negative thing.

1004
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: But because you had that exposure to community and because

1005
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: you knew the reality that these are people's lives, you

1006
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: were able to be in that position and be so

1007
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: gorgeous and responsible. And that's important.

1008
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: The blessing is when when I was accepted by the

1009
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 4: queer community. That was the gift to me, because then

1010
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 4: I get to learn, and I get to I get

1011
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 4: to experience and have real relationships that change my insights

1012
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: and sometimes you know, people ask, you know, how can

1013
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 4: I do this better?

1014
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: Can you explain this to me, like.

1015
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: People want to learn more, and I, you know, I

1016
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 4: always have the desire to say, like be friends with

1017
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 4: more people in the per community, Like that's the best,

1018
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: the best way to learn, to just be a part

1019
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 4: of the world.

1020
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: And it's quite easy. We're all pretty friendly, that's right,

1021
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: the best.

1022
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 2: I mean, you were you were, So you are such

1023
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: an important part of that conception for people because I

1024
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: think I had come out of the closet again when

1025
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Born this Way came out, because went to conversion therapy

1026
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: obviously didn't well, did.

1027
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: Not work out.

1028
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, yeah, yeah, And so Mad had

1029
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: come out in college. So we've known each other since college.

1030
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: Mad had come out around the same time we were

1031
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: both doing comedy. He was in the sketch group. I

1032
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: was in the improv group. Born this Way came out

1033
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: the same the single came out the same week as

1034
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: this college comedy festival. We would drive from Nyutreet to

1035
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 2: Skidmore and we were just blasting that song for forty

1036
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: eight straight hours, being wasted just like in some like

1037
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: toolshed and back, just like that is.

1038
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: And he felt emboldened to come out that weekend.

1039
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: That's really special. That's really really special.

1040
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: You're so important. It's a huge swath of people who

1041
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: only want the best things for you and for each other.

1042
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: And if there is community in this world, it is

1043
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: fully embodied in that sector. But also those people need leadership,

1044
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: and You've always been that leader, culturally, artistically, in so

1045
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: many ways, You've always been that person.

1046
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 4: Continue I appreciate you saying that, but you know what,

1047
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: I more than being a leader, I just want to

1048
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: do my part, and like I really believe that, like

1049
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 4: we can all do our small part, and then when

1050
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 4: we all do our small part, it like makes a

1051
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 4: big part. And I believe that we will continue to

1052
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 4: show show people that are filled with hatred and ignorance

1053
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 4: that they should be looking up to the queer community

1054
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: and following and learning about love and learning about grace,

1055
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 4: learning about kindness.

1056
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: I really believe that. And I'm not giving up.

1057
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no, And we know and either

1058
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: are away. And it's it's so interesting that the answer

1059
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: that you gave to the question was almost like the

1060
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: very simple, beautiful answer that felt like was coming out

1061
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: in the results of the election and everything is people

1062
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: were just saying one word community. Yeah, look around you

1063
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: water the flowers, right, build those connections, maybe find new connections. Community,

1064
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: that is really what it's all about, and exposure to

1065
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the humanity of everybody.

1066
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: That's right.

1067
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: And I know that it feels important for me to

1068
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 4: say too that yes I say these things publicly, but

1069
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: like it's actually even more important to me that I

1070
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 4: live them in my life, right, Like that that is

1071
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: the work.

1072
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the category is dnswer die. The only way forward

1073
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: is to just is to be joyous and to celebrate

1074
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 2: each other in that way, because like I think Abrica

1075
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: Dabra is like my interpretation of it is it is

1076
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 2: this duel between it's death or love.

1077
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: It's the only alternative.

1078
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 4: There's really only one option in that video, like really

1079
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: like she she announces the category, but like you kind

1080
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: of know, like, no, we're going to dance. Choice for me, Yeah,

1081
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna dance.

1082
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of dance, Okay, so we'll be at Coachella. I'm

1083
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: going weekend one, but when I s to work, he's

1084
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: going to go week in two. I think I may

1085
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: go again. Is there. Because we're listening to the album,

1086
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, in the desert, this is

1087
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: going to be insane.

1088
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Could you drink some water.

1089
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: Yes, So how long have you been thinking about that performance.

1090
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: All night every night since I said yes? And also,

1091
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: you know, before then, I mean, I didn't really get

1092
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: a chance to do Coachella the way I wanted to.

1093
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was great.

1094
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: It was actually great for A Star is Born, too,

1095
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 4: because Coachella agreed to let us use the stage major

1096
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: the movie. As you know, making movies and production, like

1097
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 4: you know, places to film is a positive thing. It

1098
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: was great for the film. Yeah, I had like three

1099
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 4: days to get ready for it.

1100
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's absurd.

1101
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 4: But for this I am just putting everything that I

1102
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: have into it.

1103
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: And I'm really excited.

1104
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: I mean I do, but I don't want to give

1105
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: anything away because I truly want it to be like big,

1106
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 4: a big surprise.

1107
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: I feel like I have heard you say in recent

1108
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 2: interviews that you have been moving in the direction of

1109
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 2: something slightly more stripped down because there was a time

1110
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: in your in your career where you know the set

1111
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: pieces would be like unmanageably big, you know what I mean,

1112
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: And now you are thinking in terms of sustainability and

1113
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: in terms of what I do.

1114
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think a lot more now about like

1115
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 4: not wasting and not overproducing things, because when I was younger,

1116
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 4: I used to get like so nervous that we would

1117
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 4: like run out of props, you know, or run out,

1118
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 4: or costumes would get ruined, or something wouldn't work well,

1119
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 4: so we would have a backup. But now, you know,

1120
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: I have an archive with a lot of like costumes

1121
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 4: from all my previous tours and TV shows, and so

1122
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 4: now I try to reuse those and repurpose them. And

1123
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 4: in the aber Kadabra video, we did some of that

1124
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 4: as well as like the white cape that I'm wearing

1125
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: wedding dresses, it was all vintage wedding dresses.

1126
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: That's cool.

1127
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I'm trying to Yeah, I'm changing.

1128
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 2: I don't think you need the overproduction obviously, which is

1129
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 2: what you're saying. It's like people will just be fucking

1130
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: gagged to see you in any kind of every month

1131
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: stage picture. You know, well about the Radio Stity Show

1132
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: with Tony Bennett's like we were with our friends studio

1133
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: and we just the three of us kept saying, she

1134
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: just always knows her stage picture.

1135
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1136
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: But you know, I do, I do believe when it

1137
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 4: comes to stage performance and this is probably has to

1138
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: do more with me like loving theater so much too,

1139
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: is that you can do a lot with like a

1140
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 4: black box theater and a spotlight, and like it's how

1141
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 4: it's lit, it's your pose. It's the way that you

1142
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 4: say the first line. You know, more adornment and more

1143
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 4: money doesn't necessarily mean better, certainly, you know, it's like

1144
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 4: how you think about it and how you bring it.

1145
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: I think simplicity is actually like very very powerful, but

1146
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 4: that also is not indicative necessarily of what Coachella will be.

1147
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: So sure. I just brought that up as a maybe

1148
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: you were talking on hot Ones actually about like performing

1149
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: at the Slipper Room way back when, which is crazy

1150
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: done shows there, and like I was just thinking to

1151
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: myself when you were talking about that, some of my

1152
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: most formative, memorable like theatrical experiences have been in rooms

1153
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: with like seven or eight other people watching someone create fantasy.

1154
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: That's right, when you shouldn't be able to, but yet

1155
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: it is that it is like lighting choices, the way

1156
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: things sound in rooms like that, that's right.

1157
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: It's the stage. Yeah, it's like the magic of the stage.

1158
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 3: That because when you do things like.

1159
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 4: I mean, there are clubs where people perform right like

1160
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 4: in the room, like on the floor right. But to me,

1161
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 4: the context change is on a stage. You know, it's elevated,

1162
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: and you know, like I'm going to see a show

1163
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: and there's going to something's going to try to move me.

1164
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 4: And I do find in New York actually at some

1165
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 4: of those downtown clubs that like there is immense talent, yes,

1166
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 4: immense talent, and it's so much fun and and I've

1167
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 4: always like also been so in awe of the drag

1168
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 4: shows in New York.

1169
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: It is un real.

1170
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: And I've been watching some of the recreations on top

1171
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 4: of the video and it's just like it's I mean.

1172
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: I was jan Jan did it with Yeah the next

1173
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: day after the no.

1174
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 4: But also like the leasing is perfect on the cour

1175
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: the hat and I saw people making like the spiked

1176
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 4: hat out of plastic and then hands brain painting it.

1177
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: Cranberry rand Arry, I.

1178
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: Mean, when you came to Drag Race and did that

1179
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: workshop with them, that was just taking it the extra mile.

1180
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: And I think that telegraphed to everyone that it is

1181
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: about the details. It is I mean like that that

1182
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: is such a of course, it's about so much more

1183
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: than that, but the details do matter. You were so

1184
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: detailed in the way that you walk through with those queens.

1185
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I loved being a part of drag race.

1186
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: That was so much fun and also a privilege. I

1187
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: loved it so much. I mean, I think that I

1188
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 4: have like just the ultimate respect for drag as an

1189
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 4: art form. I also think drag very often does it

1190
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 4: so much better than we do it on red carpets, honestly,

1191
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 4: Like I think it's just on another level.

1192
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much of what you do do you think

1193
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: of as drag?

1194
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's interesting.

1195
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't use that word just because I do

1196
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 4: feel like it's a very specific art form that I

1197
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 4: don't like do. But there is to me also a

1198
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 4: drag element in what I'm doing. But I don't think that,

1199
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: you know, wigs and makeup and costumes always mean drag.

1200
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 4: I think like it is a very beloved and specific

1201
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 4: art form. And but not no, but certainly not no.

1202
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 4: It's kind of like sometimes people will, you know, you know,

1203
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 4: ask me that, and I just like it's hard to

1204
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 4: say yes, because I would never want to like take

1205
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 4: away from someone that's devoted their life to it.

1206
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: Sure you're coming from a place of respect from what

1207
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: they do exactly.

1208
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 2: That's my sort of rationale. Whenever someone's like, what would

1209
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: your drag me be, I'm like, I don't know, because

1210
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: I are not. I've not thought that far because and

1211
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: I honestly think it's because I love the form so

1212
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: much that I'm like, I don't want to insert myself

1213
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: in that without earning my chops, without.

1214
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: Like, well, if I was going to do it, I

1215
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: would have to like step.

1216
00:57:47,800 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: It up in a right. So there you go to

1217
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: speak on another art form. Because we went to NYU

1218
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: here you did a semester at CAP twenty one. Yes,

1219
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: so we had a bunch of friends in Cap twenty

1220
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: one when we were there, and that was like legendary

1221
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: that you had grace that studio for even a second.

1222
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: Is there still a part of you that would do

1223
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: musical theater and like a like a mainstream sense, like

1224
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: would you go and do Broadway? And if so, is

1225
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: there a role?

1226
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: I think so? Yes, I think I would love to

1227
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: write a musical.

1228
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: Well, of course I think that a new one.

1229
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, a new one. Yeah, yeah, I think that.

1230
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 4: I mean that would give me the ultimate joy of

1231
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: like crafting all the music. Yes, working with amazing writers

1232
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 4: on developing the story in the script and then you

1233
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 4: know the stage design and the costumes.

1234
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe I'd be.

1235
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 4: In it too, but you know, just like the idea

1236
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 4: of writing one that sounds really I mean that's I mean.

1237
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: Come on the Cyndi lauper Bag.

1238
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 4: I mean, does all my albums basically want to be musical?

1239
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: You're in the pocket already, so why not?

1240
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to close things off with I don't

1241
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: think so, honey. This is where we take one minute

1242
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 2: each to rail against something.

1243
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: Trying to think of there's anything else I want to

1244
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: ask you. Oh, I know, I know, I know, I

1245
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: have one more thing. Okay, okay, So you you talk

1246
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: about when you do films, your commitment to that and

1247
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: like your I don't know if you have you described

1248
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: yourself as method?

1249
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, probably that sounds like something I would say, yeah,

1250
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 4: and that embarrassingly remembering, yes, nobody.

1251
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: I want to know.

1252
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: Because your performances are so brilliant. I mean, you would

1253
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: start I saw Stars five times opening weekends you. I

1254
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: love House of Gucci. I mean, like, I wonder have

1255
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: you approached acting now in a way that you can

1256
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: feel is is sustainable or how do you feel when

1257
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: you are approaching a role now and in terms of

1258
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: what you've learned and what you've done, Because you've done

1259
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: such incredible stuff.

1260
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 4: I think, thank you. I think that I love making films. Yeah,

1261
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 4: I love being an actor. It's a privilege working with

1262
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 4: such amazing actors and actresses in like every film that

1263
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 4: I've been a part of. I learned a lot working

1264
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 4: with Joaquin actually, like it was a very, very enriching experience.

1265
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: I would say, I don't know that it's acting. You're

1266
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 4: really feeling it when you're doing it, and it's real.

1267
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 4: So I would say the thing I've learned the most

1268
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 4: is like to put yourself fully in the moment and

1269
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 4: to really be in it, you know, as if it

1270
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 4: was real life, and that it is a performance, but

1271
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 4: that it's not pretend, right, you know, I was actually

1272
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 4: working with It's really started. I was working with my

1273
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 4: niece on something related to Wicked. She sings, and I

1274
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 4: was talking to her about, you know, thinking of a

1275
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 4: moment in her life where it made her want to

1276
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 4: to cry because she felt so changed inside. And what

1277
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 4: I want to say about acting is this, it's not

1278
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 4: far from singing, you know that you you have to

1279
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 4: go to a place where you're really truly connecting to

1280
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 4: what you're saying. Yeah, and it's it's not just about

1281
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 4: the words on their own, it's about like the human

1282
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 4: being behind it.

1283
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: Right.

1284
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: But when you when you play characters that go through

1285
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: so like such harrowing stuff. Yeah, yeah, do you think

1286
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: that going forward? Like I don't know if you have

1287
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: anything on the books or whatever, but would you ever

1288
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: do because you love comedy so much? Like does the

1289
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: lightness appeal to you in terms of that work?

1290
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 3: It does? It actually does. Michael's always like, can you please.

1291
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely yourself?

1292
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 4: Yes, I would love to do a more lighthearted film.

1293
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 4: I would, but I I.

1294
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: You know, I love the dark stuff too.

1295
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: Yes, me, Yeah that is Mayham.

1296
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Mayhem.

1297
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like a pretty soft person that adores intensity.

1298
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 4: So I don't really know where that comes from. I

1299
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: always thought it was funny when I was making this

1300
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 4: album because like I would you know, like I'm at

1301
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: home like making breakfast for me and Michael and then

1302
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 4: go to the studio and I'm like kind of self

1303
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 4: spoken and like just being myself, and then like the

1304
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 4: music was so.

1305
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: Hard and it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

1306
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: But you know, I.

1307
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 4: Guess that's the way that I deal with myself. It's

1308
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 4: like the way I deal with my anger. It's the

1309
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 4: way that I deal with my intense feelings.

1310
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it. God, we just love you at all, Like, oh,

1311
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: just anyway, I we this is amazing having you here.

1312
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: But we're going to do our silly little segment now.

1313
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, And I guess I'll start

1314
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: it out. I do have something last night I sort

1315
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: of was like I had nervous energy, so I was like,

1316
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: I want to take myself on a YouTube wormhole that

1317
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: I've never experienced before. I want a new educational experience,

1318
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: and I got one. I'm excited to learn. This is

1319
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time starts. Now,

1320
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People don't respect elephants. You

1321
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: don't understand how my God located their community is. This

1322
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: is a fact. Elephants can communicate from miles away with

1323
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: each other without seeing each other. They speak, and it

1324
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: is speaking at a decibel that is so low. Do

1325
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: you understand? I don't think so, honey. You understand you

1326
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: can't be heard by the human ear, but they are

1327
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: always speaking. Elephants have processes they go through for their grief.

1328
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: They honor their debt. They will walk in succession and grieve,

1329
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: and there is different ways of communicating. They're in a

1330
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: matriarchal society. People don't know that. And get this. It's

1331
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: not just mom, it's mom and all her friends raising

1332
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: a child community aunties. If the aunties, it's the friends.

1333
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: They will mimic what it is to feed a child,

1334
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: even if they're not feeding it, just to give the

1335
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: child comfort. Elephants are unbelievable. They are not just gorgeous,

1336
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: and think about their trunks. That is amazing. Can you

1337
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: do something like that? I don't think so, honey. That's

1338
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: one man. Dada get on my level when comes to you.

1339
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: So at this point, I've never been so connected to

1340
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: the animal world. And you know, sometimes I fear animals.

1341
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: Yes you do, just the wild ones. But the elephants

1342
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: are important. But these elephants. Have you ever really gotten

1343
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: into elephant dead?

1344
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:13,479
Speaker 3: Over that rant?

1345
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: That was?

1346
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: No?

1347
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: Have you been to Africa to see them? Yes? You're healthy?

1348
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, no, thank you so much. I just

1349
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: wanted to give them their shine because and I actually

1350
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: almost came in here today. I you know, I changed

1351
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: my outfitt six times Gaga and landed in a white polo,

1352
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: but I was gonna wear a red sweatshirt with a

1353
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: panda on it. Oh and I just because they're my

1354
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: next target. I was like, I need to find out

1355
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: what's happening with them. There's a lot. And by the way, elephants,

1356
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: when they say they never forget, they really don't. And

1357
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's so important to keep them safe because

1358
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: when they are attacked or they have a family member attacked,

1359
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: the trauma lives in them forever. Oh my god, and

1360
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: they remember it and they won't go places where they've

1361
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: It is so sad, but it's but the knowledge will

1362
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: embolden us to protect that.

1363
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 3: Thank you for your service to the other. That was

1364
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 3: so beautiful.

1365
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: I just care for them so much and they're so

1366
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: tender and emotional. Absolutely yeah. Okay, So with that, bow

1367
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: do you have an I don't think so, honey. Okay,

1368
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: wonderful to hear. I love when that is true. This

1369
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. It's times

1370
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: was now. I don't think so honey hot ones.

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: You made Lady Gaga cry and you're gonna give this

1372
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: woman to bomb.

1373
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: I've had it.

1374
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: I had the privilege quote unquote of tasting to bomb

1375
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: and it is battery acid, rancid stuff. Just kidding, Sean Evans,

1376
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: We love you, Love Everybody. Feed one of the funniest

1377
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: things I've done personally. You were champ. It was it

1378
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: did not feel right to make you suffer in that

1379
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: way while you were trying to talk about the album,

1380
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: while you were trying to talk about your career. I

1381
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: can't we need to put respect on Lady Gaga's time

1382
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: in her promotional bag.

1383
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: I guess she You can't.

1384
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: Be making this woman chomp on plant based wings. I

1385
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: think fifteen seconds to do it off camera? Just say, Sean,

1386
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: how about this, say before we recorded, we had Lady

1387
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: Gaga try these wings.

1388
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: Five Second's not.

1389
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: Gonna put the indignity of her sweating and crying and

1390
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, chugging down milk on film for you. That's

1391
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: not for Some things are too precious and that's one

1392
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: of them.

1393
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: And that's when Bonyang said, fuck your show, no the

1394
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: format so that we can do no. But you were amazing.

1395
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: You were incredible on it.

1396
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what was the.

1397
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: Process of what you you're still in You're still absorbing that.

1398
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 3: I know, I can't. It's these are like this is amazing.

1399
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 4: No, yes, speaking from the heart, it's it's special.

1400
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: You've blown away by I don't think so, honey. It

1401
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: is so funny. You're gonna be great. You're gonna be great.

1402
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: It's not harder than hot Ones. Okay, I mean but

1403
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: hod Ones. Was it a good experience?

1404
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: Yes?

1405
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had kidding.

1406
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 3: It was spicy.

1407
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: It was spicy. But do you and you you do spicy?

1408
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 3: I do? I do do spicy?

1409
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what I thought was funny was that

1410
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 4: I did like seven and they were sort of fine,

1411
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 4: and then eight out of note, like what a sneak attack, though, like,

1412
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 4: at least let me know at four and six totally

1413
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 4: is going to get that.

1414
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: Have you seen the show?

1415
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 3: No, of course I had.

1416
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 4: Just like I don't know if i'd seen like, you know,

1417
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 4: thirty episodes, but watching.

1418
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: From home, you're like, oh, like, I guess it's a

1419
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: linear I thought it would be.

1420
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 4: I kept laughing at myself because I was like, it's

1421
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 4: like not actually a contest, it's not a no, it's

1422
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 4: not like, am I winning, but like, if you get to.

1423
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: The end, you win, and you will do win, you will.

1424
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: I love that you totally forgot.

1425
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 2: You were so in the heat of the moment, literally

1426
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: that you forgot to promote the album. You were like,

1427
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: oh yeah, you were like, oh that was fun. What

1428
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: am I here to do? That was amazing? That was

1429
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 2: one of my favorite episodes. And I again purely ingested

1430
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: that is one of the favorite, my favorite things I've

1431
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: ever done.

1432
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: He's got to do it. Do it one day. You

1433
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: got to do it. I'm manifesting it. It's going to happen.

1434
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: But he really what we're doing, the verses we're doing.

1435
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: We're doing verses Matt and are gonna do the one

1436
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: where you face where that is a game of contest

1437
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: where you face off against each other, but he's gonna win.

1438
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's so sweet. Is that he mirrors you.

1439
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 2: Is that he'll drink if you drink, He eats the

1440
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: wings the same the same time that you do.

1441
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: I think that's lovely.

1442
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 3: I mean he was really nice, so nice, I think

1443
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 3: really nice.

1444
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was so sweet, and I just I was

1445
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 4: expecting more spicy until until and then until I was

1446
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 4: praying for it to stop.

1447
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: You pray, yeah, absolutely, Well, anyway, I just had to

1448
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: put take them to task, and it's it's now time

1449
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: for years.

1450
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: If you'd like to do one, you're going to do it.

1451
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 3: So afraid this is going to backfire.

1452
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 1: No it's not. I'm just saying, I don't think so honey.

1453
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: Then the thing and then you just kind of let

1454
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: it go, let it go. One minute goes by fast.

1455
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: This is lady gagas. I don't think so honey that

1456
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: sentence and her time starts now.

1457
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: Basically, I don't think so honey that you guys are

1458
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 4: putting me on the spot to do this.

1459
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1460
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't like to. I hate rant, I hate confronting

1461
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 3: people good at it.

1462
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: We're uncomfortable.

1463
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 3: O heay right now I'm shaking seriously.

1464
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 4: I like would love to just like go on stage

1465
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 4: and sing and change my outfits and pick my wigs

1466
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 4: and write songs and make albums and go on tours.

1467
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 3: But I do not want to rant about anything. It

1468
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 3: is so scary to me. I feel scared. I want

1469
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 3: to cry.

1470
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: No, please, don't.

1471
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 4: I love you so much, but I don't think so

1472
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 4: that you're putting me on this spot.

1473
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 3: I Ca'm not just gonna do whatever you say, whatever

1474
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 3: you ask me to do it. When you tell me

1475
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: to do things, it makes me want to cry. It

1476
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: makes me sick.

1477
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have done that. We shouldn't have done that.

1478
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 4: I love you so much, and also I don't think

1479
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 4: so don't you ever put me on the spot ever again.

1480
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: But I love doing this ten seconds.

1481
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me here.

1482
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 4: But please, please, please don't make me get angry about

1483
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 4: anything in public.

1484
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 3: And that's one man, Lady.

1485
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: God, honestly, hot ones you should have gotten rid of

1486
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: or hot sauce, lost coach, we should have done I mean,

1487
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: we have to where the show's done. This is the

1488
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: last episode ever. This is how can we beat this?

1489
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 3: Funny?

1490
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 4: Yes?

1491
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

1492
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: Said?

1493
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 1: You have to ask? God? Got your did you break

1494
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: in a sweat? I?

1495
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I like to plan. I know,

1496
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 3: I'm stick a control freak. I like to plan everything.

1497
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: I like to know every they were told about. I

1498
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: don't think what aut I know?

1499
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 2: And I panicked then and now we're so sorry, but

1500
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: you're okay at a real level.

1501
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: You crushed it. So there you go. You know, all

1502
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: the best ad on things to honeys have been the

1503
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: one that kind of drags us, dragged us. Yeah, truly,

1504
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: the people who come after us tend to succeed. So

1505
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: well done, Thank you, very well done.

1506
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 3: I think I got like my voice got very high

1507
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 3: and loud.

1508
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: You're warmed up now, you know you haven't done it yet.

1509
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: Even on days when you don't perform, you do your

1510
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: warm up. Yes, yeah, that's fun.

1511
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, it's it's grounding and then and like then

1512
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 4: sometimes yeah, okay, I can't give too much away.

1513
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: I can't give too much away. I'm in like the

1514
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 3: danger zone with Coachello, where like.

1515
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: It's going to start slipping sand totally because it's it's

1516
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 2: getting closer.

1517
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: It's happening you you're seeing the visuals. We cannot fucking wait.

1518
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 3: It's going to be amazing. We're coming. Heay, we will

1519
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: take care of you.

1520
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I'm coming weekin too. He's coming, but

1521
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: I will go again because I have to be there

1522
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: with him to watch it. I'm not missing this for

1523
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: the fucking world. So literally, what it was was we

1524
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: had why I had tickets for the first weekend, and

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Speaker 1: he was like I'll just come Sunday and on the

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Speaker 1: od I'm working because I'm working on Saturday. Famously, on

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Speaker 1: the odds that she's performing on Sunday night, I'll just

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Speaker 1: come the Friday announcement. We love it. You're going to

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Speaker 1: kick off the weekend so incredibly well. But I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: now I'll go back the second weekend so that I

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Speaker 1: get to go. Friend Mayhem is at March seventh. That's right,

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Speaker 1: two days after my birthday. By the way, this kicked

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Speaker 1: off Pisce season in the best w Oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: February nineteenth, Deep in the Fields. This is really really

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Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. I loved this

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Speaker 4: so much. I love you both so much. Thanks for

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Speaker 4: being so kind to me. And it was so such

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Speaker 4: a nice hang too, It was it really was. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I hope that we can do it again without microphones.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll get rid of these things. We love

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Speaker 1: that We do end every episode with a song killer Killer,

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna da tonight? Killer Killer? Killer Killer? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, listen to me and bye. Love of Culture Reach.

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Speaker 2: This is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players

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Speaker 2: in My Heart radio podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive

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Speaker 1: produced by Ana Hasnia and.

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Speaker 2: Produced by Beck Ramos. Editing mixed by Doug Baby an

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Speaker 2: equal board and our music is by Henry Komerski