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Speaker 1: This is Nick Shot screaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 2: And the official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 2: Hecma Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: It is a back to work Wednesday star in Frisco

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Speaker 3: as we get you ready for those Carolina Panthers. At

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Speaker 3: some point this week we will talk about the Carolina Panthers,

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Speaker 3: even though I don't think it's on the.

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Speaker 2: Rundown for today, it will be a.

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Speaker 3: Bill Jones, Everson Walls, hec Ma Harrison, and the star

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Speaker 3: of the show with so many game releases and legal

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Speaker 3: pads in front of him, Mickey Spagnola's ready to break down.

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Speaker 3: These Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 4: Make everybody sounds so important.

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Speaker 1: I like that got all the put that he put.

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Speaker 4: It all in there.

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Speaker 5: I like that emphasis emphasis.

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Speaker 3: We've got football players about to be on a football

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Speaker 3: field here. We got a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: It's right in an hour, yep in less.

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Speaker 3: Than an hour to get there. We've got a Brian

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Speaker 3: Shottenheimer press conference in the midst of our hour too.

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Speaker 1: Right, thirty minutes away.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and so we'll have some breaking news as we

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Speaker 3: go along here.

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Speaker 4: It won't be.

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Speaker 3: After the show. We'll be during the show with something

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Speaker 3: the news.

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Speaker 1: What do you think he's going to give us some

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Speaker 1: injury updates?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, but better not be any new injury updates.

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Speaker 3: Jerry gave us a little bit of an injury update yesterday.

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Speaker 3: There was some hope for some players to come back

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Speaker 3: this week.

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Speaker 1: Across your fingers, across my mind.

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Speaker 5: I got about don't say nothing about fingers.

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Speaker 4: Stop with that.

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Speaker 3: I thought that's where you were going with.

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Speaker 4: No, he was not that it was jump wasn't okay bad?

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Speaker 4: Then you got so.

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Speaker 2: So the clue that you got was when he said

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Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. And then he left it up to

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Speaker 2: us to guess which offensive lineman, because you have so

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Speaker 2: many to choose from when it comes down the injured

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Speaker 5: Maybe he does he think, in his eyes the most

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Speaker 5: important offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Smith.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Smith, yea, at least when you're paying the most

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Speaker 3: money to Yeah or Git.

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Speaker 1: It's a concussion protocol. So maybe in a week it

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Speaker 1: cleared up one of those two guys. I see BBI

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Speaker 1: was out there rehabbing and he didn't have a Boudan.

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Speaker 1: But he's on I R, so it doesn't matter. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter at this point. Booker CD rehabbed last week,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see where it goes. He mentioned turpin fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: I wonder which fingers crossed.

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Speaker 4: It was to be a thumb supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: A Yeah, that's just his way of saying we're number one.

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Speaker 5: Well this is the first digit, right, I mean, uh huh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's not the other.

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Speaker 3: Remember when Dandy Donne said that Monday Night football I

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Speaker 3: think it was a Houston oiler game, and they caught

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Speaker 3: a shot of a fan flipping off the camera and

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Speaker 3: Dandy don in his inimitable way, he said, Howard, that's

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Speaker 3: just his way of saying we're number one.

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Speaker 1: A different finger.

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Speaker 3: That's he was.

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Speaker 5: Having too much fun in the booth. Howard was too serious.

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Speaker 3: And he was, Ah, those were the good old day.

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Speaker 1: Well at least Jerry said he's appealing to fine about that.

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Speaker 1: Got witnesses.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet Johnny's explanation was clear to me.

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Speaker 2: I do that all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how your point.

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Speaker 3: No, when I get cut off in traffic, I give

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Speaker 3: him the thumbs up all the time.

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Speaker 2: All the time. It's all the time, more more often

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Speaker 5: You know, you say you use a thumb, which clearly

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Speaker 5: does not resemble the rest of the digits. He skipped

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Speaker 5: over a lot of fingers, tipped over a couple of

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Speaker 4: You got that.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe no one has a picture of it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody takes a picture of everything.

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Speaker 3: Right, But it was a video, a picture video d.

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch the video.

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Speaker 4: He's a man of print.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, below the below the suite. When

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Speaker 1: did it take place at the end of the game, Well,

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Speaker 1: there were no there were It was all cowboy fans. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: As Jerry said on one O five three the Fan yesterday,

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Speaker 3: there there was no back and forth, you know, there

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Speaker 3: was no animosity. He was just basically saluting cowboy fans.

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Speaker 1: The fans that left before they even scored those Oh

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Speaker 5: Okay, So then he's flipping off side cowboys fan. That's right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: If you do that to me all the time, I.

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Speaker 4: Would do that to all of y'all. But it was

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Speaker 4: still come from love.

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm That's what you knew those guys the

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Speaker 5: way I know you love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Jonathan Gannon is appealing his fight? Who

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Speaker 3: was that Jonathan Gannon, the Arizona coach?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mari Demarcado drops the ball and gets it knocked down.

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Speaker 4: The typical Jimmy Johnson flay up.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever have a coach grab your face mask

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Speaker 1: do something wrong here?

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Speaker 4: Son?

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Speaker 2: That used to happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did, Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Did you never you never had to happen? Hell no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about in any level. No, Wow, get coach,

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Speaker 2: none of that, none of that punching you.

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Speaker 4: Jimmy and I got we we we were bumping. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: Jimmy was to do that right.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, Jimmy never put his hands on anybody

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Speaker 1: So Bill Parcells better be glad than he did this

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago when he h He instructed his assistant

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Speaker 3: Dodd Haley on the sideline and the.

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Speaker 1: Next game Todd Haley starts barking at the officials and

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Speaker 1: Bill goes over there. It punches in the chest to

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Speaker 1: get them away from the officials. I told you, right her, And.

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Speaker 3: That's a coach.

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Speaker 1: Well y the player, right?

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Speaker 3: Is there an assistant coaches union?

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Speaker 4: No, it's not, it's not.

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Speaker 1: There might be. No, there's no anyway. So he tells

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Speaker 1: the story afterwards.

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Speaker 3: It was too Yeah, it was, hey, we got to

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Speaker 3: know who it is.

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Speaker 4: Your aim a little higher.

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Speaker 1: And he said his daughter daughter called him, goes dad,

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Speaker 1: He goes, do we need to go back into the therapy.

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Speaker 4: I can see that.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't get fined.

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Speaker 3: No, and he shouldn't have got fined for that either.

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of opinions about that. What

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Speaker 2: happened on the sideline in Arizona. You're hearing a lot

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Speaker 2: of old players, you know, current players have an opinion about,

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Speaker 2: And you know there's this this mind state of the

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Speaker 2: up in your face, you know, chew you out. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I came up in a time where coaches carry paddles around.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean teachers, yeah, all of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so so it's a it's it really is. It really

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Speaker 2: is a different day and a different philosophy according to

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Speaker 2: which generation you fall into on you know, how you

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Speaker 2: do things and sideline etiquette and all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And it's you know that fumble and I think what

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Speaker 2: what Gannon was doing? He was it was it was

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Speaker 2: the fumble. He dropped the ball before he got to

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Speaker 2: it time and time again. It's infuriating a wh week before.

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Speaker 3: And that's that video from the wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: It happens. It happens more often now than than definitely

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Speaker 2: definitely in that. Don't understand why, but it's it's just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he wasn't dropping them now, this was I think. Look,

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Speaker 3: if you look at the replay the dB knock, I

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Speaker 3: don't I think he got a hand in there. I

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Speaker 3: there it was. But it was it was already dropping it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember where I heard this, and I don't

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Speaker 1: But after seeing what happened. Was it Indianapolis? You said

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Speaker 1: yes the week before, yeah, yeah, yeah, that the coaches

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Speaker 1: are in this particular case, said you better not drop

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Speaker 1: of the name of the team, right, And I don't

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Speaker 1: but yeah, and then he drops it.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, I mean, and that would have given Arizona a

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Speaker 3: twenty eight to six lead in the game that.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to be talking about.

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Speaker 3: And as it turned out, touchback and sixteen point rally

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Speaker 3: by the previously winless Tennessee Titans, and you lose. What

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Speaker 5: Human nature is something, isn't it. I Mean, let's just

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Speaker 5: think about that. They weren't playing with the crap talking

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Speaker 3: Now you even Tennessee even throws a pick in the

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Speaker 3: red zone that Dadrian Dimmerson Taylor out of Texas Tech

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Speaker 3: intercepts and then he gets hit and he's going to.

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Speaker 2: The ground and he fumbles it away.

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Speaker 3: The ball gets kicked around and Tyler Lockett, Tyler Lockett,

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Speaker 3: even when they did something bad, something good, happened for Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Man, that was the weirdest game ever. That was the

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Speaker 5: weirdest game ever. When you getting back to what Heck

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Speaker 5: was talking about, that kind of old school where you

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Speaker 5: that stuff spreads, it spreads. You know, it was spreading

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Speaker 5: in society, right. So we're trying to be a better society.

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Speaker 5: So you know, you can't just because you can go

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Speaker 5: That's just nothing, you know, So we have to as

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Speaker 5: a nation. We were trying not to be as impulsive.

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Speaker 5: So we stopped doing all of that coming from especially

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Speaker 4: So you got a guy punching a coach or punch

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Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, you got little league coaches punching

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Speaker 5: You know, they get so mad about at the kid.

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Speaker 5: They forget that that's not your kid. Man, you can't

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Speaker 5: to high school and things of that nature. Things start

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Speaker 1: It's like three or four.

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Speaker 5: And what really helps this year though, is Ferguson's being healthy.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's a good example for your players

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Speaker 4: I won't quit.

447
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Speaker 3: Bug the hell we went. We went off script as

448
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Speaker 3: we usually do in segment one, so now I thought

449
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 3: segment two, we you have your choice. Okay, do you

450
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: want to just blindly pick?

451
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 7: Uh?

452
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Speaker 2: Let's go? Okay, we're gonna go.

453
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Speaker 3: Segment three, which is, let me give you what Door

454
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 3: number one had, tail of two sides, Door number two,

455
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: trade or trusty Door number three?

456
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 2: One move away?

457
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: Subtitled how much pressure is on Eberflus right now? Can

458
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: the offense keep carrying the weight? Is this defense just

459
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: one defensive piece away from making a push for the division?

460
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: So the vote vote is door number three, yes, one

461
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: move away? How much pressure is on Eberflus right, It's

462
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: a lot.

463
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: I think it's a whole lot of pressure.

464
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 5: Because you have an offense that's having to carry the load,

465
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 5: you know, and we want to come in here with

466
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 5: a running game, and we changed everything about the offense.

467
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 5: Everyone on that's on the offensive side of the ball

468
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 5: has stepped up. Everyone their performance has stepped up. Individually,

469
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 5: as a group, they've stepped up. You got your quarterback

470
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 5: plan better than they ever had. You got a new

471
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: receiver coming in and Pickings who's doing exactly.

472
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Speaker 4: What we brought him in here to do.

473
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Speaker 5: And we're making them work way too hard for the

474
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 5: record that we have.

475
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Speaker 4: And so what's the reason for that defense?

476
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Speaker 5: Why can't you get these guys right at least in

477
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: the first four games? Why can't you get these guys right?

478
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 5: And the pressure to me, he is on him to

479
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 5: get it right and quickly before you run out of

480
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 5: offensive players. Maybe that's why we're getting hurt so much

481
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 5: on their line. We're going into overtime. We've been too

482
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 5: overtimes already. You don't want to put that kind of

483
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: charge on your offense, I don't think this early in

484
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 5: the season.

485
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Speaker 1: So do you believe he has the material to get better?

486
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Speaker 4: I do. I always believe.

487
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Speaker 5: And if you communicate with your players even if some

488
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 5: are more talented than others. For some reason, I always

489
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 5: looking at Miami's back and I'm going way back Miami's

490
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 5: no name defense back in the day. All those guys

491
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 5: were good players, but they were a great defense. Somehow

492
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 5: they could communicate with each other from coach to player

493
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 5: to where everyone was solid in what they do. Eban

494
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Speaker 5: Flus has been known to be that kind of coach.

495
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Speaker 5: No matter what was going on in Chicago on offense,

496
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 5: his defense was always able to hold the line. They

497
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 5: were the strength of that team. That is not the

498
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 5: case this year.

499
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Speaker 4: So far, so far, so far. That's a good point.

500
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 4: So far.

501
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Speaker 1: And you were playing with a bunch of backups.

502
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Speaker 4: At cornerback, no doubt, right, no doubt.

503
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Speaker 1: And now you've discovered I might have some young guys

504
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Speaker 1: at linebacker that can play right. So you know, is

505
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: it the coaching or is it your personnel?

506
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: It's somehow communications crated away.

507
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Speaker 1: You're supposedly your best defensive player, he said, supposedly.

508
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 4: Here's my thing. I don't care if you're getting paid

509
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: in the NFL. And we went over this week two

510
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: and three. You still need to know where you're supposed

511
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Speaker 4: to be.

512
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 5: You don't have to be an all pro to know

513
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 5: that it's fourth down and twenty five and not to

514
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 5: get be not to let anyone get behind you. Those

515
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 5: are the kind of things are extremely elementary, SPACs, extremely elementary,

516
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: and that's why I was so disappointed those first four games.

517
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 5: Things got better this last game. Hopefully that's the shape

518
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 5: of things to come. But I don't care who's playing

519
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: out there, if they're getting paid in the NFL. I

520
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 5: could take a college player to be in position. He

521
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 5: might not make the play, but he's going to be

522
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: where he's supposed to be. That is something. I'm surprised

523
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 5: that there's a communication gap between the players and the coaches.

524
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 4: I'm surprised about that.

525
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I think this week will be the litmus test.

526
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: Wow, if.

527
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: Last week was it one of those things? Was it

528
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: who you're playing or.

529
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 4: You finally getting get communication? Yeah?

530
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: Getting it? You do it two weeks in a row,

531
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Speaker 1: and I think this will be somewhat of a good

532
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: test because they Carolina has showed they can run the ball.

533
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, I don't know how well he's playing at quarterback.

534
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: His numbers don't shine, but he might be a step

535
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: above justin fields and they've got a pretty darn good receiver. Yes,

536
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: they do right and so, and they may get another

537
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: guy back this week. I was seeing somebody that was

538
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: on IR was going to start practicing this week, So

539
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: this might be a better test or a test to

540
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: see are they making steps or are they are who

541
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: they were.

542
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 5: It's a good team to test that out on, to

543
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: test that theory out on. This is a good team

544
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: and a good situation being on the road.

545
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 2: I think my confusion with this team is that doctor

546
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: check O, mister Hyde mentality of what's happening. The offense

547
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: is number one and your defense is thirty second, and

548
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: it's like if we could put two different jerseys on

549
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: this team. It feels like the separation is right down

550
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: the middle. And I'm not trying to divide and conquer

551
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: this team. I'm just basically saying, from a talent standpoint

552
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: on defense, you're just not seeing these guys make any

553
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: improvement past last weekend. And we all say, hey, we

554
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: say that they made an improvement, but then we're reminded

555
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: that it was the Jets, right. And so when you

556
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: say the litmus tests is this week, you're talking about

557
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 2: the talent and the way that this team is playing

558
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: versus the way that the Jets were playing. But I

559
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: think if the Cowboys defense just shure up the line

560
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: of scrimmage the defensive line, you put more pressure. Dante

561
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: Fowler comes out of the phone booth again this week

562
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: and plays like Dante Fowler, and you continue to put

563
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: that pressure, you start to see those improvements on the

564
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: battle now now offensively, offensively, what more can you ask

565
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: for when your quarterback is playing behind four replacements in

566
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: the offensive line and he's still clean at the end

567
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: of the game. So I'm and I asked her, and

568
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: I put this on the rundown because I'm like, when

569
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: does Jerry get to the point where he says, look,

570
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: my offense, I may not get this in my quarterback

571
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: against ten years in the league. This is I got

572
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: to strike while it's hot, and it's hot right now.

573
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: And if we're thirty second in defense, if we could

574
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: get to seventeenth fifteenth as a defense, I think that

575
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: gives you the push that you're talking about. I didn't

576
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: say playoff. I didn't say super say I said division.

577
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: If you could win the NFC East, if you could

578
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: take down Philly, you could take down the commanders, it'll

579
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: beat the Giants again by improving your defense. Do you

580
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: go out on the limb and make that move before

581
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: the trade deadline?

582
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: Soy are you saying one guy's gonna come in there

583
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: and change this whole deal?

584
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: And it may and it may be one guy that

585
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: can improve your defense from a pass rush standpoint.

586
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: If he's that good, he's going to be available you.

587
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 2: I mean, you got all the equity to make it.

588
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: Him be a fan.

589
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: You have four backup offensive linemen, they're the playing very well.

590
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: Right. Oh no, I get it.

591
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 5: So my point is, you don't I don't care where

592
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 5: you're coming from.

593
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 4: I don't care where you're drafted, if you're getting paid.

594
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: No, he's talking about making a trade.

595
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm talking.

596
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 5: I don't know about making the trade I'm talking about

597
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 5: You've got four players that played their asses off last week.

598
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 5: I'm saying that you can do the same on defense

599
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: with backups that we're playing with right now. That's all

600
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 5: I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Why why would I

601
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: limit my defense to be better with backup players? Why

602
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 5: would I limit them to not being able to play?

603
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 5: Why can't we just get better that these guys, are

604
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: the four offensive line of the four backups come on?

605
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Well?

606
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they did. That's why I'm saying this week's gonna

607
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: be the tell tales. And are they getting better or

608
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: was it just one?

609
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: Why? Why couldn't Clowny be that guy? How did Clowney

610
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: play in the game?

611
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: He hadn't mentioned them? You had, And because you hadn't

612
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: mentioned them, it tells you everything you need to know

613
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: about how he performed last week. I don't I don't know,

614
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, it wasn't.

615
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: You know.

616
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 5: We always have all of that, well we have well

617
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 5: we just look it up. Yeah, I'm surprised that that

618
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 5: didn't come up already.

619
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 4: Ain't that right?

620
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 8: Nate?

621
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 4: See they talking to you.

622
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what I did.

623
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Two snap thirty nine had two tackles, yes, Nate Newton, No,

624
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: no Russes, no pressure is no no.

625
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Y'all having a great show, lean in, y'all having a

626
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: great and still having a great show, great debate. You

627
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: guys are mixing well. But we ain't gonna give up

628
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: now now, raph Charles, this year, not now, not now.

629
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: We done did two years in the row, fourth fourth

630
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: round pick and ain't got no results. We ain't gonna

631
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: give up our future for if this team ain't trying

632
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: to get to the NFC Championship Game, and if they're

633
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: not trying to get to the super Bowl, why would

634
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: you chance it? Why would you chance? But if you

635
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: have the number one offense in the league and you're

636
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: talking about your defenses being what's what's holding you back

637
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: and winning the division the NFC East, If there's a

638
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: defensive piece that you could add to this team that

639
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: could make you marketably better, why wouldn't you do that?

640
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: So what's yeah, and what's the piece?

641
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: I mean?

642
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: Look, guys, when Quinn Williams was one of the guys

643
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: that you could have gotten in a trade right before

644
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: Micah right, what type of impact do you think of

645
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: Quinn Williams would have made in the interior?

646
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: What do you think you were going to give up

647
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: same thing you gave.

648
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 4: Up from me.

649
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: That's why it did happened. That's why the trade didn't

650
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: happened for them, because they wasn't gonna give us what

651
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: so you're saying and we can't talk about this guy.

652
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: We cannot talk about this guy because he's with someone.

653
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: But if we had that style of monster out there,

654
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to give up a first, and you're

655
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: gonna have to give up a second. Defense is thirty

656
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: second right now? Yeah, Okay, you're in the league and

657
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: right now they are thirty one with Quinn Williams the Jets. Yeah,

658
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: I mean they're bad. They're bad right now. One player,

659
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: one player cannot make that difference. Okay, not on our defense,

660
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: not now, because we had a player of tremendous caliber,

661
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: great extra probably the second best pass rush in the league.

662
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: So I can't even talk about him. I can't even

663
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: talk about him because if he's on this team, what

664
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: difference does he make on your defense right now? I

665
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: mean we're talking. This is this thirty second in the league.

666
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: So everything is up from here on. Everything should be

667
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Speaker 2: on the table.

668
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: Ten sacks instead of five sacks last week.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, no, no, no, no, what I'm saying.

670
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling you. Yeah, I'm feeling everything you saying. But

671
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: if we were ranked defensively right now at like say twenty,

672
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm on and popping with you. But it's too many

673
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: holes right now in this defense.

674
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 4: He's saying, one player is not one players.

675
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the assets that you're gonna have to get

676
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: get rid of to get that type of monster. I'm

677
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: talking about the game changing you. We have had our

678
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: runs of Lord, please forgive me. We've had a great

679
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: past rusher that didn't make a difference, fellas, we cannot

680
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Speaker 2: have if you were going to get a dude, say

681
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 2: in the Ohio area. You know what I'm saying, y'all

682
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: know who I'm talking about. If you were going to

683
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Speaker 2: get that dude, give up all the draft Come on, man, Okay,

684
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: So I framed it. So I framed it. So I

685
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: framed it. We have the number one offense and we

686
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: have the thirty second def So the disconnect, the disconnect between.

687
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Speaker 1: What's that record?

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Speaker 4: Is he talking about South?

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00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: No?

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00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, okay, no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, What's what's the record?

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00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: What is who's record?

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys?

694
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 2: Two too and one to two and one?

695
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Speaker 1: So one more player maybe four and oh four and one?

696
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're the The truth is is that

697
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: your offense is carrying the waterfalls, you know, And so

698
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: that's that's what. So you asked me a rhetorical question,

699
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Speaker 2: I give you the answer that you you're asking me for.

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Speaker 2: And I'm basically telling you that if your defense was

701
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Speaker 2: a tenth of the better.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, Let's look at it this way. All right,

703
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: you had one of those players, okay, and you trade

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00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 3: them away, right.

705
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: That's right, Okay, didn't make you better.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is if you had not made

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00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: that trade and he was signed and he was happy here,

708
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: what would the record be right now?

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Speaker 2: He'd have definitely won you one of those games unknown,

710
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: one you wanted Unknown. It's so great here you that

711
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: you cannot chance your future.

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00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 4: You got this play out. Let's say that's where I'm at.

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00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: You gotta let it play out. If you let this

714
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Speaker 2: play out. And let's say the Cowboys are at the

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Speaker 2: halfway point in whichever that can be, because it's seventeen

716
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Speaker 2: games now, so I don't know what the halfway point is.

717
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: But let's say the ninth game and the Cowboys are

718
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: four and five. Now you go to say, whoa you

719
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Speaker 2: get what to say? You're gonna man, and I don't

720
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Speaker 2: know when to trade? Deadline November. Now you may start

721
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: talking that way, but as of right now, our defense coach,

722
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Speaker 2: Eve Flush, you know I'm riding with you, but I

723
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: got to say something bad. Our defense is terrible, bro

724
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: beyond terrible. If it was a thirty fifth team, we

725
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: would be that team.

726
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: And this is where I am am with you too.

727
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: You know, November November fourth happens to be the start

728
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: of the Cowboys by week. There's you said, Mickey, you said,

729
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: this is the litmus test Carolina. I'd say the litmus

730
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: test is the next four games you have to look at,

731
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Speaker 3: and especially the next two games after Carolina. You got

732
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Speaker 3: Washington coming in here, and then you're going to Denver,

733
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Speaker 3: and then you've got Arizona and a Monday night game

734
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Speaker 3: the night before the trade deadline on the on November fourth,

735
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Speaker 3: and that's where you have in the next four games.

736
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Speaker 3: You're two two and one right now. Where are you

737
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: going to be at the trade deadline? And that's when

738
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Speaker 3: you make your decision. Do we have it or do we.

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Speaker 2: Not have We'll have that discussion again, brother, That's what

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00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Your discussion is compelling because you hit me

741
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: and you talk off air all the time, the arrogance

742
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: of me being a Dallas Cowboy fan. It's saying, wow,

743
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: Eagles loss, Cowboys won. Oh the Eagles, Finn go down

744
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: and the Cowboys. That's just the arrogance.

745
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 4: Of who we are.

746
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: And here's the common sense in me saying, don't make

747
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: that move too soon.

748
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: And here's the most important part of it is you

749
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: don't know what your needs are gonna be November fourth,

750
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: because injuries happen in this league. And what looks like

751
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: you need a pass rusher right now, Well, you may

752
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: need a cornerback by then, you may need lineback. What

753
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: you may need a defensive tackle.

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00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: Who knows. Yeah, I'm dealing. I'm dealing with you out

755
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: and see I'm dealing with the right now of it.

756
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: And Nate, thank you for coming in. Man, you said

757
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: you know what, Man, I'm telling you. Man, the conversation

758
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: was so great. I'm like, Mickey, all he doing is

759
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: writing stuff down. I can come get this right stuff now.

760
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: So I'm like, let me go get out your moment.

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00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: That is. That is a great discussion man. Him on

762
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Speaker 2: the rundown, I say one every morning I should do

763
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Speaker 2: the same.

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Speaker 3: You know what, you know what heck's gonna do.

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Speaker 2: We're not doing it yet.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a segment. Yeah, I heard, Yeah, We're

767
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: gonna have a segment.

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Speaker 2: Compares me way back, well, way back Wednesday, where HECMA

769
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: picks a current player and.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna compare them with a player from the past.

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Speaker 2: I'm voting offense. I'm gonna give you three players, not

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Speaker 2: that I'm gonna give you three right now.

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Speaker 4: Not to do it.

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00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: Don't do it with Bob Lily because it ain't nobody.

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Speaker 2: Don't do it with anybody man because it ain't nobody.

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Speaker 2: Don't do what Everson calls it ain't nobody.

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Speaker 4: I'll do.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not saying let's see. We got injury updates

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Speaker 3: right here, Okay, all right from Tommy Ash. Okay, you

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Speaker 3: can always count on Tommy. He's at Brian Schottenneimers press

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Speaker 3: is finishing up concussion protocol, hopefully will be out soon.

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Speaker 3: Jack Sanborn is in concussion protocol. A few injured players

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Speaker 3: may be able to get back this week. Added Guys

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Speaker 3: may be on the grass at practice, but that doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean they're cleared to play that shot. He added that

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Speaker 3: they may be on the grass of practice, but that

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean they're cleared to play. Still taking your time

837
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Speaker 3: with Savone Rebel likes how he's moving around. Boy, that

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Speaker 3: would be nice. It would be nice, Savone Rebel.

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Speaker 1: That would be an addition.

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Speaker 3: Of course, he's a rookie, never played in an NFL game.

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Speaker 2: But well, the most intriguing thing for me right now

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Speaker 2: is Guidon, Tyler, Geydon and Nate Thomas. Nate Thomas really

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Speaker 2: showed you a lot, and not only in preseason, but

844
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Speaker 2: it showed you a lot in this last game. So, uh,

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Speaker 2: him coming back from concussion protocol and you know the

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Speaker 2: way that they maneuver through that with Guyton I'm sure

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Speaker 2: his spot's not in danger h at all. But getting

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Speaker 2: that young guy back in the lineup, uh, and knowing

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Speaker 2: now that you have a really serviceable to good backup

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Speaker 2: Nate Thomas.

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Speaker 5: And he can go both ways right, left and right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, the week before they actually before the

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Speaker 3: guid and injury happened, they put him. They put Nate

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Speaker 3: Thomas at right tackle spelled Terrence Steel for a little

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Speaker 3: bit by a playze or so one series.

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Speaker 1: And had him prepared to do that practice.

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Speaker 3: And then he wound up finishing the game at left

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Speaker 3: tackle and then played the entire last game at left tackle.

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Speaker 1: I heard somebody say, well, they played so well with

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Speaker 1: those backups, and they were like, what do you need

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Speaker 1: your starters for.

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: That position? I mean it was being there was competent

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Speaker 1: Titian there in training camp. Phil Geiden got her okay,

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Speaker 1: left tackle, yeah, because they were playing. They were giving

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Speaker 1: him first team Nate Thomas first team stats.

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Speaker 3: And I d Entergy was playing some left tackle then,

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Speaker 3: I mean they got some position versastibility.

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Speaker 4: He plays.

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Speaker 3: He played guarden, but he's done. He's gonna play their

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Speaker 3: tackle or guard. That gives.

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Speaker 5: We talked about this last year about well, he can't

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Speaker 5: play this side because he only plays this side. And

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Speaker 5: I talked about how cornerbacks we played both sides all

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Speaker 5: the time. Safeties played left and right safety all the time.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why, So I just never saw why

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Speaker 5: it's so unusual.

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Speaker 3: Would you say cornerbacks are better athletes than offensive blindmen.

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Speaker 3: Let's get Nate back in here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you mean from left and right.

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Speaker 4: That's a tough one. You know what?

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Speaker 1: And I don't remember who they were talking about it

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Speaker 1: was how uh one of those linemen line up, And

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Speaker 1: they were saying, and we're talking offense, okay, they were

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Speaker 1: saying that normally this guy stance, he's more square to

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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. So it allows you to play

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Speaker 1: left or right easier than being dominant on one side

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Speaker 1: and having your one foot further.

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Speaker 4: Again, dbs do that all the time, right, Yeah, we

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Speaker 4: do it all the time.

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Speaker 1: So if you stay square, whatever side you're on.

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Speaker 5: It shouldn't matter, whatever matter, It shouldn't matter whatever your

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Speaker 5: foots forward.

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Speaker 4: Just you know, you're an athlete. You asked me the

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Speaker 4: question is Larry Allen? Was Larry Allen a better athlete

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Speaker 4: than Darren Woodson? You see?

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Speaker 5: So you can't just say because we're lighter, you know

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Speaker 5: that we were more athletic.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's You've got some guys out there, big offensive linemen

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Speaker 5: who were All pros and Pro Bowlers and Hall of

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Speaker 5: Famous who were damn good athletes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just say run of the mill cornerbacks versus

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Speaker 3: run of the you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So, and one of the things that I was going

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Speaker 1: to point out when we were talking about the backups,

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Speaker 1: how well they played. Now there's tape out there. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: So now they know how these guys play and they

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Speaker 1: got a week to study it. Now, can you do?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Pas in the eye in the sky online.

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Speaker 3: And now not just the way they played, but the

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Speaker 3: way the Cowboys schemed it.

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Speaker 1: To write protect them because a lot of it had

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Speaker 1: to do with the scheme and what they did and

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Speaker 1: what they were trying to help them out.

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Speaker 2: But tomorrow on mix Shots, we should talk about Derek Brown,

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Speaker 2: We should talk about Bobby Brown, the third the nose tackle.

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Speaker 3: Out of Arlington Lamar High School, Texas. And we should

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Speaker 3: talk about the NFC Offensive Player of the week. You

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Speaker 3: know who that is? We were going to now, no,

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Speaker 3: Rico Dowdle Carolina Panthers. I can see that after a

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Speaker 3: two hundred and six year rushing performance. So buckle up

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Speaker 3: for the next edition of mix Shots on Thursday at noon.

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Speaker 1: Go buckle up to come. This has been a production

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