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Speaker 1: both bitten in my case underwear lessening podcast. You can't

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Speaker 1: predict anything. A couple of quick questions, Dan, are those

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Speaker 1: uh are those hippie prayer flags hanging in your window? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: They are? Was that Is that really the message you

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with that. That was an art project

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Speaker 1: of I believe my daughter at school. So they indoctrinate

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Speaker 1: children open anchorage to hang to betan prayer flags in

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Speaker 1: their windows. Yeah. Does you know what? Does you know

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Speaker 1: what it means? I don't know what lesson came along

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Speaker 1: with that, but that it's a Yeah, that was an

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Speaker 1: anchored public cool district art project. Yeah, m hmm yeah.

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Speaker 1: Second question, real quick, how do you feel those bird featers? Uh? Karina?

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Speaker 1: My wife walks out the window onto that roof right

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Speaker 1: She risked life and limb for those birds. Yanni, do

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Speaker 1: you remember the song I wrote, Um Yanny your money

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Speaker 1: King of the cast a Ray? Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: Had I known at the time, Had I not just

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Speaker 1: learned the other day that you where that you chewed

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Speaker 1: chewing tobacco, you dipped too dog. Yeah, as a listener

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Speaker 1: wrote in you were a chaw dog, you chaw dogged

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Speaker 1: it for seventeen years. I would have written it into

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Speaker 1: the song because the song captures your whole life. Right.

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Speaker 1: You almost would have had to. You couldn't have admitted

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Speaker 1: would have put in like a long passage bom about

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Speaker 1: all that chewing tobacco and smoking. So why did you

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Speaker 1: But there are no health negatives. Look at dirt, I

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Speaker 1: feel great. I don't know. I feel it's like a

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Speaker 1: thirty abuff thirty five year old. He should have easily

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Speaker 1: we're if you would have had a hat and turned

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Speaker 1: that was help Chris, No, well, nothing would help me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not putting anybody down. But no, both

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Speaker 1: dirt pulled the heart mustle. Yeah, a rassling sot. What

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Speaker 1: age you to start? What did you start being a

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Speaker 1: tobacco user? I probably started smoking cigarettes at I don't know,

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Speaker 1: your first time around the show. That's true, Levi, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know your last name is Meyer. Levi Meyer,

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Speaker 1: fresh out of the military, kind of kinda lay out

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Speaker 1: your lay out your military deal real quick. Uh. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you're having a chew right now. No, I spit

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Speaker 1: it out for it doesn't bother me. Dirts, haven't you?

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Speaker 1: He's spitting into a Starbucks cup. Do you know I

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Speaker 1: Thinks so Yanni, you dip for all those years? Didn't quit? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to quit quite yet. And a half

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Speaker 1: lady was telling you who used to work on ski

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Speaker 1: What smokers are watchers. Smokers are watchers. That is so true, man,

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Speaker 1: cigarette dangling off, just keep going. Yeah, you never hear

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Speaker 1: It's just a secret. It's like an open secret. With

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Speaker 1: right to it. Yeah, sam hool that was telling. Danny

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Speaker 1: memory loss of any type of suffrage, Like suffrage means

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Speaker 1: the right to vote. That's the word I'm thinking of suffering, suffering.

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Speaker 1: But like you know, like we're talking about like we're like, man,

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Speaker 1: that was the craziest I we've ever done. It's like,

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Speaker 1: forget and with someone brought up, oh you brought up childbirth.

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Speaker 1: one is rereminded when they have their number two or

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Speaker 1: three year onward. And you're saying that you're learning to dip.

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Speaker 1: it's just vanity. It's like do you want your face

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Speaker 1: moving on, do you yeah? Yeah, and you feel we

423
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: should just come out and like right away, just say

424
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: rather than creating a rather than creating um, any kind

425
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: of any kind of tension or suspense. Oh yeah, yeah,

426
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters. Just what why don't you

427
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: say what I'm talking about? I think what you're talking

428
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: about is to say that we just finished up an

429
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: unsuccessful hunt, unsuccessful dolls, she punt, no lesson to be learned.

430
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: If you're looking at success as a dead sheet. Yeah,

431
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: that's that's how I'm That's what I'm talking about. So yeah,

432
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: well we can also look at it as successful as

433
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: we made it in there and uh, you know, cover

434
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: some serious train and came out without any injuries and

435
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: without any you know, major problems. Yeah, I made a

436
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: TV show, beautiful TV show. We don't know that. Yeah,

437
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: and found found some sheep, found some sheep. But if

438
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, was you was you hunt successful? Yeah?

439
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: And then you go like, well defined success and I

440
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: just think you kind of like playing around you. Yeah, yeah,

441
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: you're you're being a little bit. You'd have to say no.

442
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: But it was great. Yes, Oh yeah, okay, so what

443
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: we what we did when dolls sheep hunt in the

444
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: Alaska Range? And uh, the last range is check me

445
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong on this, Danny. It's like a southern

446
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Alaska mountain range or sort of like might divide the

447
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: south southern you'd call that the Western Alaska Range. I

448
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: think that's, you know, everything south of all that cheap

449
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: country that's south of Denali Park. People commonly referred to

450
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: as the Western Alaska I mean Western Range, but the

451
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Alaska Range in general, it's a big speaking of horseshoe dips,

452
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: it's a horseshoe shape, kind of a shallow horseshoe. The

453
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: on its eastern edge kind of go feeds into the

454
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: the coastal ranges. Ye consider wrangles coastal. But yeah, it

455
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of blends into the wrangles over on the far

456
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: eastern side, and then the on the western side. They

457
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: kind of toe off down towards the Alaska Peninsula. Yeah,

458
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: blending into into the Allusians down there in the the

459
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: top of the if you imagine the Alaska Range is

460
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: a very shallow you, the top of the U is

461
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: the no, a very shallow inverted you. Yeah, the top

462
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: of you is the most northern portion. Yes, yeah, and

463
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: that's that would be like the central Alaska Range. That's

464
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: how Fishing Department Efficient Game refers to that area, Central

465
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: Alaska Range. And it's not narrow and it's not like

466
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: giving away a spot to say we're in the western

467
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: Alaska Range, because the whole thing is five miles long,

468
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: huge mountain range. Um, we had hunted doll sheet before

469
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: and other portions of the Alaska Range. I'd be so

470
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: specific as to say the Central Alaska Range in this trip,

471
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: we're going into an area to hunt. Um, let me,

472
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: let me they groundwork piece down. What Alaska has is

473
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: they have there's several species in Alaska you're not allowed

474
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: to hunt without a guide if you're a nonresident. Basically,

475
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: if it's white or has great, big long clause. You

476
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: cannot hunt it um if you're a nonresident without a guide,

477
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: without a guide referring to mountain goats, doll sheep, and

478
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: grizzlies and brown bears. So but the a there's a catch.

479
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: A resident, a resident Alaska hunter can hunt those things

480
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: with family of second degree kindred. So if you're a

481
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: fella in Alaska, you can take nonresident relatives, cousins, uncles,

482
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: I think, even brother in law. It's pretty loose. Yeah, yeah,

483
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: I can never remember where the line is drawn. But

484
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: that's because I only ever hunt with my two full

485
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: blooded brothers, so it's kind of irrelevant. Yeah yeah, but

486
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: but it includes cousins, uncles, I believe it includes in laws.

487
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: I think then you can then then those people can

488
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: hunt with that. There was a little movement a year

489
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: ago or so to get rid of that. There's a

490
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: group called the Resident Hunters of Alaska who got a

491
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: real beef with non resident hunters and they had put

492
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: together something for consideration which would have ended the rule.

493
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm are you sure that's who that

494
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: was coming from. I thought you told me that. Yeah, yeah,

495
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: check me on this, But that might have been coming

496
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: maybe from the guide industry a bit too. I'm not

497
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, so scratch that. That might not be true.

498
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to put I don't want to put

499
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: blame or praise however you view it in the wrong place.

500
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: But there was trying to They were trying to roll

501
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: it back a little bit and not. They wanted it

502
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: to be okay. So so whoever it was, let's take

503
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: this case. Danny's my brother. Danny's a resident of Alaska.

504
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: He and I go sheep hunting together. We can both

505
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: hunt sheep at the same time. What the what the

506
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: rule change that was proposed would be that if we're

507
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: hunting and I shoot a sheep, we both have to

508
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: like notch the tag. Yeah, that was the meaning I

509
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: get I get a ram, it counts against your mars. Yeah,

510
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: my and you a limit of one ram. So we

511
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: could go together and if I get one, basically you

512
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: got one. But that that thing didn't go anywhere. So

513
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm able to go hunt doll sheep in Alaska as

514
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: long as I'm within as long as I'm with you,

515
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: And they spelled out like you gotta be together, you're

516
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: hunting together, side of by side. Um, we've done it

517
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: quite a few times over the years. Not quite a

518
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: few times, but before I think we've gone cheap hunting

519
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: four times together. That sounds about right. And uh, this

520
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: time we went into an area we had really no

521
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: prior experience in because of a friend who's an outfitter

522
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: turned us onto a spot where he guides some clients

523
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: and kind of cut us loose in there. So we're

524
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: doing like a trip that would be how would you

525
00:31:54,200 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: put in guide language, Johnny, all of our own gear, right, yeah,

526
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: all our own equipment and gear. But someone's saying go here. Yeah,

527
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: we just called it a drop camp basically when we

528
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, and sometimes we would actually supply some

529
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: stuff with drop camp and I guess you know, Buck

530
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: did Bucks apply this a little bit, A few things

531
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: big tarpa X yeah, which was Hey, it was really

532
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: nice to have that tarp pre set up. You know. Um, Yeah,

533
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: I call it a drop camp for the most part.

534
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: I mean, most guys I think they're going to do

535
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: a drop camp if they get anything from the outfitter.

536
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: It might be a basic shelter, but you're pretty much

537
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna be bringing most of your own gear

538
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: in this area is like, so you come into Anchorage

539
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: and then the last of works in the bush. And

540
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: Danny can speak this a lot better, but the way

541
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: it last works in the bush, especially like kind of

542
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: mountain hunting and stuff, you're you're always using your You're

543
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: not always You're typically flying in on super cubs, which

544
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: can land on gravel bars, ridge tops, you can land

545
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: them anywhere, but a supercup can only hold a pilot

546
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: and one passenger. So oftentimes, if you're flying in the

547
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: remote hunting locations in Alaska, you're getting you get staged

548
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: up somewhere on some remote large air strip and then

549
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: use superclubs to do the last little leg of bringing

550
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: you in Like that, that's fairly common, but it could

551
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: be from a strip along the highway somewhere too, you know,

552
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: the Hall Road or one of the you know other

553
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: highways around the state. We've done that before, to where

554
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: we've driven to a place and had a plane meet

555
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: us there and shuttle us in. You know, that's closer

556
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: to the hunting spot than say Anchorage or Fairbanks or

557
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: wherever the pilots coming from. Yeah, it or gets elaborate

558
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: like there's a there's anywhere you're hunting if you're hunting

559
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: like the Western Brooks Range, so basically up towards the

560
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, the portions of Alaska that seemed to be

561
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: looking over into Siberia. Um, there's an area there where

562
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: you you go to Fairbanks, drive up to a lake, No,

563
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: a strip, you drive up to a strip or Alaska

564
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: pipeline road. And not just talking about one air carrier

565
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: that we've used to hunt caribou. You drive up to

566
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: an actual strip. Isn't it a strip? So a landing place,

567
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: get on a plane there and go land at another

568
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: strip in a bush community, and like an off the

569
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: grid community, and they're gonna float plane and take the

570
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: float plane to go land up on lakes up in

571
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: the Cariboo Country in the North Slope, tons of different configurations.

572
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Or we've also hunted sheep where you lower your stuff

573
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: from your truck into a supercubin. Yeah, fly up on

574
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: that too, But this particular area is a little bit

575
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: of a hall and bigger, like a greater distance than

576
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna cover, um efficiently in in super cubs. So

577
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: we flew out to a remote military air strip. Do

578
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: we name that one? Not yet? No, should be remote

579
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: military air strip. It's not military. I think it was

580
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: built by built by the military. Gravel strip. There's a

581
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: lot of those in Alaska. Yeah, they're scattering, yeah for sure.

582
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: And we're flying there. We're all six of us, So

583
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: we've got two hunters and four guys in our crew

584
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: and we we we fly out to this strip and

585
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: it's like a real hub of activity because it's a

586
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: big enough airstrip. You can get big aircraft in there

587
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: and bring in quad runners, side by sides, all manner

588
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: of vehicles. And then there's an elaborate road network that

589
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: leads out from here, and so it's like a place

590
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: to fly in stuff, set up a camp, and then

591
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: cruise around like on this whole isolated road network and

592
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: trail network, and cruise around hunt this vast area of

593
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: like like Moose Caribou country. I got a quick question,

594
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: is that is that road system attached to anything if

595
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: you were wanting to drive in or is it totally

596
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: independent outside of that air stream. I think the Mountain,

597
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I think the Alaska Rang because it's on the other

598
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: side of the Alaska Range, and I don't think the

599
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: right dangers. No, yeah, yeah, you couldn't drive there. I

600
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: mean you could you could snow machine there in the winter. Yeah,

601
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: but there's not there's not a road. So people come

602
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: in there and in large aircraft sometimes and the can

603
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: fly and stuff like we just had we just land

604
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: out there, so you land in the strip as a

605
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: gravel strip. There was a couple of outbuildings the Alaska Troopers.

606
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: Here's not an interesting thing people should know about Alaska.

607
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: In Alaska, you don't have what's called the game warden,

608
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: so you have all your game laws. Fishery and game

609
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: laws are all set by the state and the Department

610
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: of what do they call it house? The Board of

611
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: Fish and the Board of Game respectively make those laws

612
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: the laws. And then what's your like dn R here,

613
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: it's the Laska Fishing Game Department. Yeah, we have a

614
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: d n R two but they handle land in minerals

615
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. But lasta Department of Fishing

616
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: Game regulates hunting and fishing. But all enforcement of fishing

617
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: game laws comes down to State Troopers. Yes, yeah, yeah,

618
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: there's a I guess it would be like the Wildlife

619
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Division of the State Troopers does enforcement do you know

620
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: if people don't say you don't say, I'm gonna report

621
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: you to the game warden. I'm calling the troopers at

622
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: this strip. There's a trooper's shack too, like a little

623
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: shack at this strip, and there's all manner of oil, drums,

624
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: gas cans, quad runners and just like the sort of

625
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: general called detritus, but is general like in Alaska, if

626
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: you can land a plane, there is gonna be rusty

627
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: barrels playing around, and it has its fair share of

628
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: rusty barrels. Yeah, because what goes in does not go

629
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: back out easily. Yeah, And we'll talk about that when

630
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: we talk about the pilot that picked us off, his

631
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: just dismay at something that we would be bringing back

632
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: to town. Um. And you get there and you think like, oh, man,

633
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: like you could say here days and nothing would happen.

634
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: But it's just constant activity, planes landing people up to

635
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: all manner of things. And just like like we land there,

636
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: here comes a couple of dudes on a quad runner. Uh.

637
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: A Norther plane comes in and we help some guys

638
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: unload a quad runner out of the plane and they're

639
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: taking off to go to their hunting camp which is

640
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: thirty miles away. One of them runs off and the

641
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 1: bushes in a while later comes back with another quad

642
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: Runner and they both take off, one on the brand

643
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 1: new quad Runner and one on the old quad Runner

644
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: and head off to their thirty mile away hunting camp.

645
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: And um, yeah, it's it's a it's a rest spot.

646
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: But we get there and then we then we got

647
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: another guy who fights the super Cup and it's got

648
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: to fly. The super cub is gonna shuttle us into

649
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: our spot up in the mountains. And it's funny, is

650
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: you gotta do because of our crew. You gotta do

651
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: six trips and each trip takes forty minutes or so,

652
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: so it's twenty minutes up into the mountains, unloads and

653
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: stuff come back, and you're dealing with small weather windows.

654
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: So when you're doing this, you gotta make sure the

655
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: first guy that goes has his camp and gear and

656
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: everything he needs to survive for the night, and then

657
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: that anyone left behind also has so that the that

658
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: the Ford people have all the stuff they need to

659
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: survive and the left behind person has to have stuff

660
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: to survive because at any given time, the weather window

661
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: is gonna close. And we'd already missed the day and

662
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: a half because of bad weather. So sure enough, five

663
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: of us get in and the weather window ends and

664
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: there are five of us are up in the mountains

665
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: right to humble. Some guys still hanging out at the Yeah,

666
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: which is the first time that's ever happened to you,

667
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: to have to have to hop in interrupted. But other

668
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: guys we fly with will bring in three super cubs.

669
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: That's true. They got like a little wolf pack of

670
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: super cubs and they just get it done. Like when

671
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: there was a window. They're going. This is much more

672
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: just one dude cliff and back and forth, flying a

673
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: hundred yards off the ground, three tops. Yeah, dude, those

674
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: flights are so cool though. That Did you ask him

675
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: why he did that low? Yeah? At first I thought

676
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: it was because it was so foggy, but then it

677
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: was clear and he was flying just as low. I

678
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: think he likes to look for moose antlers. Well, there's

679
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of reasons. Yeah, that that is one. Another

680
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: one was that, um, when it is foggy and the

681
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: ceiling super low, because he knows every single cut bank

682
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: and down log and the way the river turns and

683
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: cliffs and whatnot. From lying low so much, he can

684
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: fly low even when the ceilings low. And be comfortable

685
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: in there where he's saying, yeah, it's a beautiful day.

686
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: And if I fly go up to a thousand feet

687
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: right now and buzz along, I'm not gaining anything from

688
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: that beautiful flight up there. I need to be down

689
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: here continuing to become intimate with what's down here. I

690
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: need to know every single gravel bar where when, if

691
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: possibly the ship hits the fan, I can land, I

692
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: can make a move. I'm looking for spots where I

693
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: can drop people in the future. You know, he might scout.

694
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: He's scouting, yeah, constantly, Yeah, bringing in information and and hunts.

695
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: And he's a big shed hunter and hunts moose sheds

696
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: from his plane. And he said that takes a special

697
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: skill set because you need to fly along and you

698
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: know where all the sheds are. And then eventually got

699
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: to find a place of land and you gotta be

700
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: good enough you can walk and pick. You can spend

701
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: your time then walking and retrieving all the ones you found,

702
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: and again landscape, knowing the landscape. Was he saying that

703
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: he picked thirteen hundred or thirteen thousand pounds of these sandlers.

704
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: I didn't catch that. Wow, Yeah, thirteen hundreds is impressive.

705
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Until you think how much moose antler ways. He might

706
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: have said he picked thirteen thousand pounds and moved sandlers,

707
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: but just just it must have been hundred pounds. Well,

708
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: I think he said thirty aside thirty pounds aside on

709
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: the big ones. Um, that's a lot of moves. He

710
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: flies a ton. I can't remember the hours he was

711
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: saying he does. But yeah, but he's probably picking him

712
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: up in the spring because he's not flying and when

713
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: he's when he's flying hunters, he doesn't have time for that. Yeah,

714
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: he was ripping us, you know, like, yeah, he was go,

715
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: go go, and then he finished shuttling us, and he

716
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: had a bunch more guys, you know, in other places.

717
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: So Mark kennyon walking around picking up those deer landers

718
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: his pants. This style of shed hunting man shed hunting

719
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: out of airplane. So he likes to do that. And

720
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: he was saying that he also hunts snowshoe hairs because

721
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: when he turned white in the ground the snow melts,

722
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: he can go out and locate little pockets of white rabbits.

723
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: And in fin a place Land is playing and go

724
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: snowshoe hunting, and it's pretty cool. That's a cool dude.

725
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: I didn't realize I asked him. He's going a hundred

726
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: ten miles when he's empty. That's with the tail wind

727
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: with it. I think eight is what the top speed.

728
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: This dude's super Cup is stripped down so light like

729
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: he likes to keep it real light so you can

730
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: land on super short strips and carry more ship. We've

731
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: never put in so much stuff into a super Cup

732
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: like we did with John. He has the hands start,

733
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: so he has to be like the old World War

734
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: One flying aces who got to go out and yell

735
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: contact and turn the prop because he tore out his

736
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: starter in the battery. So he starts his super Cup

737
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: by going out. He's gotta get the throttle just right

738
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: inside to start it, and in one fluid motion it

739
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: takes him like three or four turns, grabs the prop

740
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: he called the prop right, Yeah, grabs a prop, turns

741
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: the clockwise hand from big kicks, and he's got a

742
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: fly back around. We'll put up a video of him

743
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: doing this in the show notes. He's got a fly

744
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: back around and then hit the throttle and pull himself

745
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: up in the plane. Every time, I'm like, why in

746
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: the world you do that, and he said, I cut

747
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: seventy pounds out of the plane. He also got rid

748
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 1: of the back seat and just put a little carbon

749
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: fiber piece there. And he took a piece of took

750
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: a piece of ridge rest and cut it out for

751
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: a pad. So like that seat is ounces the paint

752
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: a super cup has forty pounds of paint on it.

753
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: What Yeah, forty pounds of paint. His paint his his

754
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: plane is painted the same color as most the landscape. Yeah,

755
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: the same color like a slate gray, same color as

756
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: all the shale. And I told him, said, man, when

757
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: you eventually buried this burled is playing a new mountainside,

758
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: They're never gonna find you. And he said, well, that's

759
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: not my tent for that to happen. But he said,

760
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: but kind of, because I don't like the people know

761
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: where I'm laying on my plane. Yeah, so I'd like

762
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: to keep a camouflage. If that means they don't find me,

763
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: That means they don't find me. Do you remember when

764
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: we flew in on that that moose float on the

765
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: in the north study lasta range. Remember that second pilot

766
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: that helped shuttle he had that little tailwheel Sessna where

767
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: he stripped the paint off of it. Remember this, No,

768
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I remember flying in a helio courier. I thought that

769
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: was cheap hunting. That was cheap onunting. But this is

770
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: on that moose float. Trip Um done that float anymore?

771
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: You know? A friend of mine did it last year

772
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: and he went up in that same hanging valley there

773
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: he shot a bully so that that they're running all over

774
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, we killed three bulls, didn't me. Yeah,

775
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, that one of our pilots had just stripped.

776
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: He had a little Cessna maybe and he had no anyway,

777
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't know planes very well, but he Um had

778
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: stripped the paint off of his plane and it and

779
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: he had forty pounds he made it forty pounds lighter,

780
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: and he had forty pounds more payload. Yeah, and it

781
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: was just a it looked like a you know, it's

782
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: a bare aluminium just like tinfoil plane. You know, it's nice,

783
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: wasn't he saying? I'm just gonna say, if you want

784
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: to look this guy up and fly with him, I

785
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: don't do that. No, No, I don't like that's smart.

786
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: Really No, No, I'll tell you later why Okay, he

787
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: mentioned something about paint that slides better, right, wasn't he?

788
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: On the thinking put on this boat bottom? What's that

789
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: paint called bottom? I gets a few different kinds, but

790
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: I the one, the one that I brand turned me

791
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: onto it. It's called Gator Glide. It's just just really slick.

792
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: But you know how grippy that aluminum is. Man on

793
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: the rocks so grippy. So it's like a truck bedliner

794
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: that slicks for the bottom of your boat. It's like

795
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: it's it's like taplon coating the bottom of your boat. Yeah,

796
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 1: and like the one of the you know, the rivers

797
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: we run are super shallow. When you run up on

798
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: a sandbar or grapple bar or whatever, like I can

799
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: just go out there one finger now and pull my

800
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: boat off. Makes that much of a different huge Yeah,

801
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: Gator glide. Yeah, a lot of that technology comes out

802
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: of the Southeast, I bet you. Oh yeah, my whole boats,

803
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: My whole boats like a Louisiana setup, you know, but

804
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: they work well, flat bottom, air cooled engine. You can

805
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: run it across wet grass. Yeah yet boat out here

806
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, No, it's not jet it's a mud motor.

807
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: You know like I think it inspired by the Southeast Asia,

808
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, cool long shaft and then that minds a

809
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: particular ones a Go Devil, and that company was started

810
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: by I think I'm pretty sure it is a Vietnam

811
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: war Vett that came back from Southeast Asia and thought,

812
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: oh man, that's a slick setup. Is this in Louisiana

813
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: and started making them places that make them down. It's

814
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: got like a Briggs and Stratton engine, like a five

815
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: foot prop like if I have foot chaft. Yeah, it's

816
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: just it's just an air cooled like a riding lawnmower engine.

817
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: You know, my mind's twenty four horse and it's got

818
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: a it's just a you joint and a drive shaft

819
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: and there's no there's no clutch, there's no gears. It's

820
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: just when you start the molder, the prop is spending

821
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: and you lower that prop into the water and it

822
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: goes and that's that's all. Because people don't dick around motors.

823
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: What like Jenlly and outboard is water cooled, so you

824
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: gotta have enough water where the lower units down and

825
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: there's an intake thing in there and it's taken water

826
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: up cycles it through the system and pisces it back out,

827
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: so it takes some water to run it. Um. Their

828
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: thing is these things you rocks and stuff, don't hurt them.

829
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: They're they're starting to take a toll. I've been running

830
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: that thing for he's fifteen years and rivers, you know,

831
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: and and my my skegs getting pretty beat up. And

832
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: it starts the skegs actually starting to unweld from the Yeah. Yeah,

833
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: it's not going to take it apart and get somebody

834
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: to reweld it, you know. But now that's taking a

835
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: lot of abuse. Remember going duck hunting with you and

836
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: the arc out here one time, going through a hole

837
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: and feeling the boat as that thing hits Sam And yeah,

838
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: that's an awful feeling, like a pot of sandwich. Yeah,

839
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: I hate that. It only happened a couple of times.

840
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: That's gonna happen no matter what motor you run. Yeah,

841
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: depending on what's going on. Where were we the pilot,

842
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: I messed up the paint thing, but we're breaking down.

843
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: So I'm glad he brought up because dudes, I want

844
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: to know about that, right, Gator Glade put it on

845
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: the bomb of your boat. Um he was trimmed down though,

846
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: our pilot trimmed down. Dude. He could. Like the one

847
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: time he took off to go pick up another dude,

848
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: he just like what looked like thirty and he was airborne.

849
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: It was almost like a helicopter. Man, it was crazy.

850
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: His rig is just super cool. Man. Those things got

851
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: a way to crashing. Yeah, what's eating crazier is that

852
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: when we got there, I looked at him like, man,

853
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: I know that. Yeah. Yeah, he and I worked together

854
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: for maybe three months. You in Colorado, right, Yeah, in

855
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: Edward's car Autumn Ptarmigan Sports. He was a mountain guide.

856
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know for sure if he was a

857
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: mountain guid him guessing he's done some guiding, but he

858
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: was just a professional climber. Um. So we get to

859
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: the spot and basically like the spot we start out

860
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: where we land and we're just laying on a gravel

861
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: bar in the river and we're about to get a

862
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: sense of this. We landed probably not probably then we

863
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: landed at thirty five ft above sea level the surrounding

864
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: peaks or seven or so, the very very highest. Yeah,

865
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: and we're about five, well six to seven river miles

866
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: to what would be the head of this stream we

867
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: land on the streaming landing has a big wide gravel bar.

868
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: What do you call that, dan, big white gravel bar

869
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: like the whole bed. How do you describe that bed? Oh,

870
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: I'd like a braided river bed. Braided river bed that's

871
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards wide. Um, and usually the it's braided.

872
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean usually the channel is occurring in multiple places.

873
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: So it's got this big, like this big broad gravelly

874
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: thing and everything's very shallow and just kind of meanders

875
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: across and changes constantly, Like the channel gets rewritten every

876
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: year from in most places that you know, any most

877
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: spots along that river, the channels in you know, two

878
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: or three places at once. You know, it's never in

879
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: as rarely is it in a single channel. And to

880
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: get a sense for it, like you'd cross it. When

881
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: you got across, it's about hip deep and hall and

882
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: ass knee deep and haul and ass. Yeah, when you

883
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: got across the main channel. It fluctuates a lot though.

884
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: That surprised me. Yeah, it's like someone it's like God

885
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: dicking with the water belve in a shower because like

886
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: over today, the glaciers are melting fast tons of water.

887
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: It rains somewhere but not here, tons of water, and

888
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: the silt load goes up and down where it looks

889
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: like chocolate milk. Then it's clear chocolm milk, clear chocolate milk, clear,

890
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: up down, up, down, changes constantly. UM. And we're like

891
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: seven miles from the head of this thing. And this

892
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: thing's headed by this probably has like three heads. Right,

893
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: you go kind of like two two main channels of

894
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: feed into it, and we're we get dropped off about

895
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: seven miles from the head of these from the head

896
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: of these two things. And the first day here here's

897
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: another rule in Alaska. It gets thrown out a lot.

898
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: You can't hunt with some exceptions. There are exceptions to this.

899
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Most of the exceptions are around deer in southeast Alaska

900
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: and some caribou units. You can't hunt in the same

901
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: day you fly in Alaska, preventing you um on a

902
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: non scheduled flight. If you fly in a jet into

903
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: somewhere you know that's a or even a smaller plane.

904
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: If it's a scheduled flight you know, into wherever. Uh,

905
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: that doesn't count. But but a charter or your own

906
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: plane or whatever, the same day you've been airborn, you

907
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: cannot hunt, and that speaks to um, what they're trying

908
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: to prevent one from being able to do is I

909
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: didn't find an animal from the air and land a

910
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: plane and go shoot it. Instead, you got to find

911
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: it from the air, land a plane, wait until what

912
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: three am? Wait until three am, and then you can go.

913
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: And the reason, like a lot of states have legal

914
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: shooting hours, um, legal hunting hours, but you know, because

915
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: of the peculiarities of at this latitude, the peculiarities of

916
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: day length. Alaska doesn't do legal shooting hours with sunset

917
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: sunrise except for waterfowl. Yeah, that's I think I assume

918
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: that's federally mandated. When you land, you gotta wait, like

919
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: because even if you're hunting, you could be hunting the

920
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: very early season when it's twenty four hours a daylight.

921
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: So it's not like you gotta wait till it gets

922
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: dark and lighting or whatever. It's like three am. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

923
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: that which darkest, even though it could just be dusky

924
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: all night, like you can still see like when you

925
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: wake up, even just now, when you wake up in

926
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: the middle of night to go take a leak, you

927
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: can check around for bears. Yeah, it's not that dark Matt.

928
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: Matt and I have watched sheep all night long. We've

929
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: kept tabs on sheep throughout the night, and never, you know,

930
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: he would leave the spot ands go up on him.

931
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: It never got so dark that you couldn't tell that

932
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: they were there. Yeah, Mber that time caribou hunting. Matt

933
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: went wandering way off and shot a bowl way off somewhere. Oh,

934
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: he's gone late, butcher's it, he says. It starts to

935
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: get kind of dark. He sits down for a while,

936
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: it gets light. He said, Well, I guess it just

937
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: stayed out all night and it comes wandering into camp

938
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: three thirty in the morning. I think I do this

939
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: out overnight. We kept the ripper could the big old

940
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: fire going for him to thinking he was lost out,

941
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: thinking he was lost out in the tundra. I'm so

942
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: worried about him. Um, that was pretty like having GPS

943
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: units and one yeah, and in reaches and no. I

944
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: think he might have had GPS was before I remember

945
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: his navigation thing was this. That's right. We were camped

946
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: at the confluence, so he knew he was going up

947
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: with water flowing back towards camp on the right side,

948
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: and water flowing back toward the camp on the left side,

949
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: and they eventually met at a V and he was

950
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: canceled that V. So he said he knew he could

951
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: wander around anywhere as long as he followed water, he

952
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: would not as good. As long as he didn't cross

953
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: the river and followed the water, he knew that he

954
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: would come back and land back and camp. That's safe.

955
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: Remember that same trip, Remember that grizzly come up the

956
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: other bank and starts waiting across the river. Oh yeah,

957
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: And Matt went out in his waiters and tried to

958
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: scare it back up, scared back up in the air bank.

959
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: What happened? Bear took off. Um, that was my good

960
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: optics epiphany that I've talked about many times. Where we

961
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: had a dude who had just come off a guide

962
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: and our body chunk could just come off a guide

963
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: and for moose on the peninsula or something, or had

964
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: the year before and had been given some good spotting

965
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: scopes and binoculars, and I've always had shitty ones. And

966
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: we were watching the grizzly coming up, and I'm looking

967
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: through his spot and sculpe and you can see the

968
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: wind hit its side and make this little colic that

969
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: kind of drifted around on his body and the breeze

970
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm getting some of these sons. Uh.

971
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: And we landed. So we lent this river like what

972
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: I think about six miles to the head of this thing. Then, Oh,

973
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: I was getting how you can't hunt the same day fly?

974
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: So because LEVI was the six guy in, he couldn't.

975
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: A careful reading of the rule would be that he

976
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: can't even hunt with us. I can't assist. Yeah, but

977
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: by hanging out, by hanging out if he's like, hey,

978
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: what's that white thing? Yeah, yeah, so he's ineligible to

979
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: hunt the first day we get in. So we do

980
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: like a little short John short being relevant, I feel

981
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: like it was a John. We decided to hit a tributary,

982
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: the first tributary upstream from our camp. We decided to

983
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: explore out the tributary, and so we walked it from

984
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: thirty five the mouth of that tributaries three thousand, five

985
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: hundred feet and we started this tributary in the rain

986
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: and climb maybe a thousand feet and then you can't

987
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: see anything where your visibility is hundred yards um now,

988
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: and then you get a little pockets where you can see,

989
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: and I think we sat there. We set up a

990
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: tarp in the rain, and there's no sets of plowing

991
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: through a place you haven't seen yet. When you're in

992
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: the right kind of country, you can't just plow through

993
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: in the fog because you're not doing yourself any good.

994
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: And we sat there for four hours. I think took

995
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: a napp shivered, sat there under a tarp for four hours.

996
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: Event she started to get a little bit clear, and

997
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: we climbed up to a saddle that was att waited

998
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: a while, got a couple of open windows in the

999
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: fog to look down the next valley. I feel like

1000
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: we should plug the try that Sam Bartiya, Dude, I

1001
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: love that freaking tea man. Remy turned me out of

1002
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: that tea. Yeah, yeah right. There's a tea company talk

1003
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: about giving away the goods for free. Man, it's a

1004
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: tea company called Kobak. Not even for freaking charge a

1005
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: lot of money for that damn t Kobak something tea

1006
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: company you're giving away to plug for free to them.

1007
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: But I feel like you're sharing value. I'm sharing valuable information,

1008
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: but I'm only I'm doing it with the only the

1009
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: one hesitation that it just doesn't make sense how much

1010
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: they charged for the decaf version. Oh, sand bar stuff

1011
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: you guys are drinking was caffeinated, No, caffeinated as normal.

1012
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: Price decalf is twice as much. But I'd like to

1013
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: drink it at night as my hot drink. What's the

1014
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: process that makes it? Why they washed it with chemicals?

1015
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: Mhm danger, Yeah, yeah, don't eat it. Danny got swollen

1016
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: uvla maybe from eating the teeth. Yeah, Sandbar teeth from

1017
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: cobal Tea called me is the best ship in the world. Man,

1018
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: good man, Um, it's like, I don't know. It's like

1019
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: it's got all kinds of stuff in it. Man, it's

1020
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: got cloves in it, cinnamon, cinnamon in it. Oh my god,

1021
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: this is good. You had a spicy thing when you

1022
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: bit into it that one time you'd like a pepper

1023
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: corn or some well, someone from the Thai restaurant must

1024
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: have been over there, and it's like one of the

1025
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: little freaking peppers there just to screw somebody. It was.

1026
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: It was had a cinnamon flavor to it, but it

1027
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: was way hotter than eating like a pizza cinnamon. So

1028
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. You practically broke a

1029
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: sweat and I can handle some hot food. But that

1030
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: was insane. I don't even know what's in that ship man.

1031
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: But you buy at the Anchorage airport and up top

1032
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: they got the caffey and don low they got a

1033
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: little air with the decap. They charged too much for

1034
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: the decap to the point where to the point where

1035
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: after I got turned onto it, I went online and

1036
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: on their website to buy something and was so insulted

1037
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: by the price that I didn't because I'm like, what

1038
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: am I like growing up? When I was growing up,

1039
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: someone said to me, someday you will buy really expensive

1040
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: te online, I would be like bullsh Well, I'm saying

1041
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: they're drinking a bottle of Boone's fire from the shower,

1042
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: coming back from coming back from Weldon Weldon raw iron

1043
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: droppers to hang like conveyor lines on um. If you

1044
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: had told me someday, Sonny, you'll be buying little several

1045
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: three oun bags of tea for thirteen bucks online, out

1046
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: of punching the face. So I'll buy in the airport.

1047
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 1: Because if someone said, like, someday you'll buy a bag

1048
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: of tena airport, I've sure I don't know that's okay.

1049
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been I wouldn't have been like nervous

1050
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: about that revelation. So I can't bring myself to buy

1051
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: it online. Um, but yeah, that's it's good. Hits the spot. Yeah,

1052
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: up on this saddle. We're trying to weigh out, um,

1053
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: whether to sleep there or head back down? Sleep there,

1054
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: thinking in the morning you might get a better view.

1055
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't like nine o'clock or ten. It's late. Yeah,

1056
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't get dark til ten thirty, doesn't get dusky

1057
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: till ten thirty at night. And then but yeah, I

1058
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: can't tell what the hell time he gets light in

1059
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: the morning. Yeah, six, I guess it gets light at six.

1060
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: I felt like you had to use the headlamp from

1061
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: about ten thirty and till five, depending on what you're doing. Yeah,

1062
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: if you need it. Yeah, here's what I got to

1063
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: grab a ball. You didn't need it, but like fidget

1064
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: around camp and looking at your backpack. Yeah, um, no

1065
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: sign of sheep up there. Not that day. I couldn't

1066
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,959
Speaker 1: really see that well though, right, But also signed, Yeah,

1067
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: those ridge often on those ridge we saw him in

1068
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: a few places. But on those ridge lines was you'll

1069
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: see a little beds where they kick out a little bowl,

1070
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, and didn't see any beds, didn't se any

1071
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: fresh tracks, decided not to sleep up there, um drop

1072
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: back down and then walked in that that's said, which

1073
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: said was fifty ft back down to our little base camp.

1074
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: And Levi had come in that day so he was

1075
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: eligible to be out with us the next morning. The

1076
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: next morning we headed up to go explore the headwaters

1077
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: of this river that we're on. Dirtmth river, dirt, it's unnamed,

1078
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: no joke, I'm not being like, I'm not being cooit.

1079
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: The river has no name. This It's amazing that there

1080
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: are rivers in Alaska, Like any river that size in

1081
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 1: lower forty eight would have a road on it during

1082
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: thes No river that size and lower forty eight that

1083
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: doesn't have a roadhould say, know, but very few rivers

1084
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: that size and lower forty eight would not be would

1085
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: not have a road in the bottom of them, dude,

1086
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: even like little trickles have got names down in the

1087
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: forty eight. You know, here there's rivers in Alaska big

1088
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,479
Speaker 1: enough to take a boat down with no name. Yeah,

1089
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: and those a lot of the smaller rivers that do

1090
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: have a name, they're all like mine related, you know,

1091
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: like mother Load Creek or or uh gold Finger flu Creator,

1092
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: bankrupt Creem, Yeah, hard Luck Creek, so uh um dirt Yeah,

1093
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: we go up Dirtmith Creek and we decided to explore

1094
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: first the right branch and that day that that's the

1095
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: day you know, we saw using lambs that day. So

1096
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: think about yeah by camps, I think about doll sheep

1097
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: is maybe maybe Danny knows what the answer to this is.

1098
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: Lands and us get the good spotts, they get the

1099
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: rich feed, you know, yeah, I mean they get the

1100
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: cush location. Yeah. I don't think they're excluding the rams.

1101
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: I I you know, I assume it's that those Is

1102
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: that that the that the lambs, you know, growing so

1103
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: rapidly at that point in their life, need that you know,

1104
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: highly digestible, high protein, really green diet. That's that's that

1105
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: doesn't require a lot of effort to get. You know,

1106
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: it's stick, it's lush, and and you know, the the

1107
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 1: rams can afford to be you know, a higher where

1108
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: there's just not as much food because they're not actively

1109
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: growing so fast, so they're taking the security. I'm just

1110
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: intuning that. Well. I heard a guy one time, stay

1111
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: this and I don't like because it makes the rams

1112
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: sound altruistic. But first of all, I say this so

1113
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: so running for dollsheet. Ovis Dolly. I think it's how

1114
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: you say it, like Salvador Dolly the painter, but it's

1115
01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: Ovis And Doll was a natural US and explorer got

1116
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: the sheep named after himself. Um. Interestingly, Doll named the

1117
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: Alaska Range. He named the Alaskan Range and it became

1118
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: the Alaska Range. But the dude whose name was given

1119
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: to the doll sheet is the guy that named the

1120
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: Alaska Range. And the doll sheep is a pure white

1121
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: mountain sheet, big curly horns like a big horn. Um.

1122
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: You know. They run late actorally November, hang out up

1123
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: around the glaze like they're like in the imagination. They're

1124
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: associated with the rockiest, nastiest, highest, most glaciated stuff, Like

1125
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: they there's the highest mammal on the mountain, the highest

1126
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: hooved right. Well, you see caribou up in there sometimes too, Yeah,

1127
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like for a year round living though. They

1128
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: eke out an existence up there, and they don't migrate

1129
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: down to the low country when the snow flies. They

1130
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: gotta beyond the wind swept they stay up in the windswevery.

1131
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: They they don't find they don't wind up living down

1132
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: in some dudes alf alpha field or like down in

1133
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: the valley bottoms. They stay up and they're just they

1134
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: live up. Yeah, yeah, but there's some interesting exceptions too though.

1135
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're always on you know, they need to

1136
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: have escape covered nearby. They're always in rocky, you know,

1137
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: craggy terrain. But like you know, you drive down turning

1138
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: an arms off the anchorage and you know you're at

1139
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: sea level and you can look up a few hundred

1140
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: yards sometimes on the highway there at Dollar Sheep there,

1141
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, and so in that in that circumstance, you're

1142
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: not high up, but you got the rocky nous and

1143
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: the cragginess that they Yeah, so they don't care about

1144
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: the number that they don't necessarily care about the elevation number.

1145
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: It's just like what you go hand in hand, where

1146
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: is that where they're preferred habitat happens to exist in

1147
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: those areas. Um, but we see a bunch of using lambs,

1148
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: and using lambs are kind of predictable because like if

1149
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: you see like a whole yo, you see like a

1150
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: dozen animals laying in kind of a meadow meadowy bowl

1151
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: up on a mountain side. You just know like like

1152
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: that's lambs and us. Yeah, it's real green and lush

1153
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: like there. Like that gives it away. And also the

1154
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: whole the number of them, because you can find big

1155
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: groups of rams. But like when you see like a

1156
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: dozen of something laying in a really green patch, like

1157
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: that's lambs and news um. But as we and we

1158
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: saw some lambs used in the morning. But as we

1159
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: press up, we see a single sheep way ahead of us,

1160
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking ram only because he's by himself. He's

1161
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: laying in a U spot. But there's only one of them.

1162
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: And eventually we get up there and find that it's

1163
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: a way not legal ram, a legal RAM in Alaska.

1164
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: Is this universal or are there still any RAM units? Yeah,

1165
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: there's at least Yeah, part of a big chunk of

1166
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: the chewcatch a few years back went to from from

1167
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, basically over the counter to a lottery and

1168
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: and in that unit they went to that lottery tag.

1169
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: Now they went to any RAM. Tell us why, because

1170
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, that's interesting stuff. But there's this hypothesis.

1171
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: I guess it probably is or maybe there's don't say

1172
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: that yet, Okay, layout what illegal ramas and then talk

1173
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: about the hypothesis. So, yeah, so legal ramas is a well,

1174
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: it's a full curl ram. And so that's a ram

1175
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: whose horn has grown three sixty degrees from the base

1176
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: to the tip um or is eight years of age.

1177
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: So you would see eight growth annually that are formed

1178
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: each winter of the rams life um or if the

1179
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 1: both horns are broken off um I mean substantially broken

1180
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: such that the whole the whole lamb tip the first

1181
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: year of growth is absent from the horn and they grind,

1182
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: they scrape them off and break them off. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1183
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: but that's the mark of an old ram am. And

1184
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: you know it's so you know, a ram with two

1185
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: broken horns is certainly is well, it's very unlikely to

1186
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: be full curl, but it's certainly going to be old.

1187
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: So they've kind of um that. That's another way you

1188
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: can and those are those are still pretty rare though.

1189
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: Double broomers I haven't laid eyes on a double broom do.

1190
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: And then like big horns, virtually all of the double

1191
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: broom they get to a certain size. So those are

1192
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: the three ways to make a legal ram the most

1193
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: the most reliable ways, it is a full curl. You

1194
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: look at the side, the horn should form a six

1195
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: degree circle. Yeah, from the from the right angle, so

1196
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: when when when you're at the right angle, yeah, that

1197
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: that horn should be perfectly round. If you're too high

1198
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: or too low, it should be more of an oval

1199
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: oblong shape. As your sort of perspective on the horn changes,

1200
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at exactly you know, think of

1201
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: it as a helix. And when you're looking straight down

1202
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: that helix, the perimeter of the horn should be perfectly round,

1203
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: and the tips should come swing all the way around

1204
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: and meet the base or exceed the base, and that

1205
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: would be the mark of full curl ram. There was

1206
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: cool tips that you pointed out as far as the

1207
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: angle and stuff of it coming out of this goal.

1208
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 1: Because looking dead on at you, yeah or no, no,

1209
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: when we when our perspective was elliptical, and it looked

1210
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: like a full curl maybe, and looking from down looking

1211
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: from down below, they look for the not full curl.

1212
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: Lamp ram looks for a curl when you're looking from

1213
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: down below. But you pointed out the angle at which

1214
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: the curl starts can be somewhat uh a clue at

1215
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: older that they look on a younger ram, it's not

1216
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: as like it looks more swept back up top, you know,

1217
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: I think I think that probably has something to do

1218
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: with the mass. But it looks like it like sweeps

1219
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: back in a more abrupt fashion. I because it just

1220
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 1: hasn't got as like heavy up top yet or something.

1221
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: You know, it hasn't achieved like its biggest diama because

1222
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: that's where it's growing from. So it seemed to have

1223
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: like it's like like he's been running real fast and

1224
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: it kind of mashes horn. The angle of the tip

1225
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: is telling too, because you know, the younger ram it's

1226
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: pointing more forward and as that curls more, it's you know,

1227
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: eventually it's pointing you know, more backwards or out, depending

1228
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: on the sort of configuration of the horn. So talking

1229
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: about talking about this area, they went any ram like

1230
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: talk about the thinking that might guide that. Yeah, I

1231
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: don't know all the you know, the details on up,

1232
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 1: but there's um, you know, there's there's this notion and

1233
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: it applies to you know, fish and wildlife and any

1234
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: managed species that if you are non randomly harvesting animals

1235
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 1: that you can potentially you know, he had the potential

1236
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: to drive sort of artificial selection, you know, against her

1237
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: for some natural feature, right and so, and some people

1238
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: think this is a laughable idea. Is really you know,

1239
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: there's there's certainly said. They think it's thousands of years. Well, okay,

1240
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: I know the fish literature a lot better. But you know,

1241
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: uh like size at maturity and fish, you know, a

1242
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: few a few generations in the lab of of artificially

1243
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: selecting the smallest breeders, you can drive size of maturity

1244
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: down and just a few generations. Yeah, I was saying,

1245
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: not me, I don't know if about it to have

1246
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: a good opinion by saying some people I'm they're talking

1247
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: about like do you are by by just picking big bucks?

1248
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 1: There's about white tails? Are you driving down white tail size? If?

1249
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: But to the extent, to the extent that it's genetic

1250
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: and not environment the potentials there, Yeah, but no, I

1251
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: think I don't think anyone. I don't think anyone argues

1252
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: the potential. But I think you'll say to effect, you

1253
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: would it would take thousands of years to affect that change.

1254
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: I think people are starting to realize a lot of

1255
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: evolution have it's a lot faster than I mean, this

1256
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: is an instance of evolution. And I think I think

1257
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: that you know, in recent years, people are starting to

1258
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: realize that evolution happens a lot faster than potentially than

1259
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: what you know, like the former sort of gradualism notion

1260
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: of evolution is. You know, that's what I crack up

1261
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: when people like are like, I don't believe in evolution,

1262
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: Like so you don't believe that if I went killed

1263
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: every adult that was over five feet, then you would

1264
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: see a movement towards shorter adults over time. Or you

1265
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: don't believe that corn us to be real small now

1266
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: it's big, or how about how about how about pesticide

1267
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: resistant uh insects? And yeah, yeah, so anyway, there's this

1268
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: notion that by you know, having a full curl regulation

1269
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: and effect, that you're selectively cropping off the rams with

1270
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: the greatest horn growth potential or those that have a

1271
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,440
Speaker 1: horn configuration that tends to grow and a full curl. Um.

1272
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, there are plenty of mature rams running around.

1273
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: They just and their horn grows in such a way

1274
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: that it doesn't curl into a curl. And I think

1275
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 1: the first three doll rams I don't know. The first

1276
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: of like the first gang of doll rams that you,

1277
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 1: me and Matt killed were all eight, none were full curl.

1278
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: That Matt's had a full curl. Matt's had one full

1279
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: curl horn that broke when it fell. Um My very

1280
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: first ram had one full curl horn. But you, yeah,

1281
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: you and I when we shot two rams together, they

1282
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: were both eight or older, and neither of them were

1283
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: full curl. And then really the guy that checked mine

1284
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: in wrote it down as full curl. Interesting, obviously not

1285
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: full curl, but obviously eight years. Yeah, there's there's some

1286
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: interesting judgment costs we made there to excessing people down

1287
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: at department fishing game haggling over age and full curl

1288
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: or not. And you know when you skip those horns

1289
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: checked and they're they're having a very hard time coming

1290
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: to consensus on some of those attributes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1291
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: So the Onny way, there's this notion that yeah, if

1292
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: you are, if you're you know, if you're cropping off

1293
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: all the horns that are growing to a full curl,

1294
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: that you're started driving the genetic genetics away from that

1295
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: type of horn configuration. And so, um, my understanding is

1296
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: that that that helps you catch any RAM. Uh set

1297
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: up was and and sort of an experiment to see,

1298
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: you know what the fact that's having and so giving

1299
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: a second, are you doing okay over there? It's like

1300
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: you're generating so much noise over there? You're right? Do

1301
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: you do unplug? You go ahead? So when they yeah,

1302
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: so when they when they went to that lottery, when

1303
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: they went to that lottery system, they just said, okay,

1304
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: let's just have a lottery and because let's let's try

1305
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 1: in any RAM scenario to alleviate that selective pressure um

1306
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: against a full curl or horn configuration. But then the

1307
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: harvest rate is gonna go way up, so we're gonna

1308
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: need to limit the amount of participation. And so they

1309
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: put a lottery on. Yeah. Yeah, And so I haven't

1310
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: been following that. I don't know what the you know,

1311
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: they're just certainly people at Laska Department Efficient Games looking

1312
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: talk very intelligently about that. Here, here's the here's the

1313
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: case example from the frank Church area and Idaho with bighorns.

1314
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: And again, like a regulation change will happen, and oftentimes

1315
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: they don't, like a state department will change a regulation

1316
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 1: and they don't say, here's why we're changing the regulation.

1317
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: Just the regulation changes and people are left to speculate

1318
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 1: about why it was the regulation. That's that's poor outreach there,

1319
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: I know, but it happens in like the case example

1320
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: of the guy a guy. We often get questions about this,

1321
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: why is it illegal for a nonresident to hunt in

1322
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: a wilderness area in Wyoming for big game without a guide? Okay,

1323
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: so if you're a nonresident Whoming you want to hunt

1324
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: a wilderness there, you have to hire a guide. I

1325
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: recently was asking some people that work at the state,

1326
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: like state employees, for like, hey, how did this rule

1327
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: come to be and what are sort of the decisions

1328
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: that were made? And they were demonstrating to me that

1329
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: or the stuff I looked at. And also what everybody

1330
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: says is it's like it's a service. The guiding industry

1331
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: has been driven by the guiding industry, right I could

1332
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: I could see jumping to that conclusion. Yeah, but there's

1333
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: no articulation of it anywhere as do they talk about safety.

1334
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: Same here. Yeah, that's that's I think that's the sort

1335
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: of the stated rationale for the guide requirement for grizzlies

1336
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: mountain goat mountain chief. But it has me to protect

1337
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: the industry, which is fine. But here's the thing with

1338
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: the Frank Church is they felt that they had a

1339
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: three quarters There was a big horn unit and it

1340
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: had to be a three quarter curl. So on a

1341
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: big horn, a way to tell three quarter curls you

1342
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: gotta take from the base of the horn and draw

1343
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: a line through the corner of the eye and if

1344
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: that line hits horn, that's a three quarter curl ram.

1345
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: They felt and is very very rugged, very very remote area,

1346
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: that there were too many cases of people in the

1347
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: back country making a bad call in killing rams that

1348
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: weren't legal and then not reporting it. This is what

1349
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: I heard, And so they just went to any ram

1350
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: thing to try to cut back on unreported mortality of

1351
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: rams because it was areas just too hard to police,

1352
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: too hard to monitor. Yeah, so that they presumably had

1353
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 1: looked restrict the number of permits at the point, but

1354
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: it was that's what I heard, like a problem, and

1355
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: I heard dad from a guy who guided the area

1356
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: that was his that was his understanding of what was

1357
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: going on. They fell as putting people in too much

1358
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: of a bind. So we walk up this thing and

1359
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: find this ram would be good on obviously not illegal

1360
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: ramp um does that morning we run it spent the

1361
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:14,919
Speaker 1: night ran into a grizzly blonde, blond blonde, grizzly blonde,

1362
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: long hair, gorgeous, we're so long and shaggy. She looked

1363
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: almost What did I say? I thought it looked like

1364
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: something dead when it was sleeping. Yeah, I thought it

1365
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: looked like a old rotten because it was hagley like

1366
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: it was yack like, yeah, a blow in the wind. Yeah,

1367
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: it looked like I think our initial I guess was

1368
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: it was a dead caribou laying there inside of the hill.

1369
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: When Yanni told me he sees something, but it was

1370
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: funny because he's like, I see something like two little

1371
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: black things bobbing around by it. And I looked through

1372
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 1: my binocular is and I think I'm looking at something

1373
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 1: dead and mostly decayed, just because the way that was

1374
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: so disheveled. And he says, yeah, there's two black things

1375
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: moving around on it. And in my head, I'm like, well,

1376
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: it's gotta be those ravens feeding on some long dead

1377
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: caribou carcass. And it's kind of like looks like a

1378
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: bunch of hair scattered around, when in fact, it's a

1379
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: blond sow with two little very dark almost black cubs,

1380
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: which I hadn't seen that color difference. Yeah, striking. That's

1381
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: the thing people saying judging grizzlies like an interior ones

1382
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: is uh, Oftentimes the bigger males are darker brown and

1383
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: the female. That's not true in all cases. It's like

1384
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like with with grizzlies, everything's like tends to right,

1385
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: tends to this, tends to that that. Oftentimes you find

1386
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: that the big males are darker brown, and oftentimes you

1387
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: find those real blond ones or females when you get

1388
01:20:54,240 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: the maturity. But she was blond, beautiful. Man just chow

1389
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: and the blueberries party mode. They eat them like they're

1390
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: pissed at them. They eat them like they're going to

1391
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: get away, like their exacting revenge on blueberries. Man and

1392
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,879
Speaker 1: wash over. Quite a while feeding around, cubs were sleeping.

1393
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: Cubs kept taking naps, and they just take naps wherever

1394
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: they see fit Man, And then she took a nap

1395
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: short power naps. Yeah, they take power naps just wherever. Man.

1396
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: But I think they were napping too because it was

1397
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: like a little break in the weather and they were

1398
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: just like curl up. They'd kind of snuggle, they'd like spoon,

1399
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: and that's hour. She would take a little nap now

1400
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: and then just lay down wherever she happened to be,

1401
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: just lay down midstride and kind of doze. Me and

1402
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: Chris were saying it was cool observing that scene because

1403
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: that was the first grizz we've seen since a fog nack.

1404
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: Just kind of a nice, peaceful cleansing. Man. Yeah, I

1405
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: can appreciate grizzlies again and not be terrified. Yeah. Good.

1406
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: It's like when I get all mad at my kids

1407
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: and I'm yelling at them all the time, and I'll

1408
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: feel bad later and I'll go and give them big snug. Yeah,

1409
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: I got snug by that. It was a cute scene. Man,

1410
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 1: those clubs napping and that sud is kind of cruising around.

1411
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: It's hard to picture that. They just have such a ferocity. Yeah,

1412
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: you can picture, dude, if you walked up, If she's

1413
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: sleeping and those cubs are sleeping fifty yards away and

1414
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: you watched up, you walked up and grab one of

1415
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: those things, you can imagine her response. Man. Well, if

1416
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: we were on that side of the drainage, the wind,

1417
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: the wind was blowing in such a way that we

1418
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 1: could have popped up on him unexpectedly. I feel like

1419
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: they have been a good move man in this area

1420
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: is just pock marked with where they're digging up ground

1421
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: squirrels ship when they put a lot of energy and

1422
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, dude, some of the ground that they

1423
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 1: dug up was insane. The sun little that they're just like,

1424
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: they'll dig holes big enough for you to climb into.

1425
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: The most surprising thing was the altitude that they were

1426
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: digging those things up at you. You know, you're like

1427
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: six thousand feet and they're still throwing boulders and it's

1428
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: just little snacks like they're up there for like it's

1429
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: like they got other for no really, no other reason

1430
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: to dig up marmots and dig up ground squirrels and

1431
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 1: dig holes like like I said, like foxholes. You can

1432
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: climb down into him. Can you imagine being that ground

1433
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: squirrel and I got nothing, nothing, dude. If you could imagine,

1434
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: if like a Peter person, right, you could witness that

1435
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: spectacle that they'd be so anti grizzly because the horror

1436
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: of that little ground squirrel family. Oh yeah, tucked away,

1437
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: keep his corner and they know that that thing just

1438
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: out there like throwing out head sized boulders and then

1439
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: eats them all alive. Yeah, that little squirrel family is

1440
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 1: just living out a children's story at children's fairy tale,

1441
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: laying in a little beds and the next thing, you know,

1442
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: it's just the roof of the house comes off them,

1443
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: swallows them all. And we watched them eat them. They

1444
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: eat them alive. They just grab them and throw their

1445
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: head back. Yeah, and that thing alive down the belly

1446
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: be like digested juices. Yeah, it's like Jonah the whale man.

1447
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: You know what Jonah Whale is there? Yeah. I don't

1448
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: know if you had Bible learning now, I was raised Catholic.

1449
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: Good for you. Um, yeah, she was eating berries though.

1450
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: We slept for the night tented out, and the next

1451
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: day I look up above camp and lo and behold

1452
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of rams, but no freaking legal rams. Was

1453
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: four or three? That was two, three, four or five

1454
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 1: and six number one being the one youngster, the one

1455
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: youngster that was living on the u Lamb patch. Yeah,

1456
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: did he really liked And then five separate two four,

1457
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: and they later picked up a fifth. Yeah, two three, two, three,

1458
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: four and five rams number two, three, four five came

1459
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: rolling up above camp and we gave those good scrutinizing,

1460
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: and uh, they were kind of like really spread out

1461
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: in the age thing, you know, a few years old

1462
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 1: up to probably like seven enough for his ram looking

1463
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: from down below seems legal, but he's just like not

1464
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: you could. And I was like to give everything the

1465
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: band for the doubt, Like one time we talked about

1466
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: this for one time, me and you were hunt Mulder

1467
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 1: and here comes military that just gotten hit by a car.

1468
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: So as antler is, one of his antlers has busted off,

1469
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: but flopping down by his face. And when I first

1470
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: saw that, first thing out of my mouth was a

1471
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: buck of a lifetime because I give everything avant for

1472
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: the doubt. And I saw those times and I thought

1473
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: this must be a gigantic bus just and I realized, no,

1474
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: he's just a forky with I just saw. I saw

1475
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: he even had times by his jaw. You know. It's

1476
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, just a little buck to

1477
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: get hit by a car. Do doll sheep ever growing

1478
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: a non typical way or is it like you see

1479
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: something totally crazy, like just like a straight horn. Yeah,

1480
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: just some weird I've never seen anything besides the fact

1481
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: that they snap them off and braid them off they

1482
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: like or some of them. Some of them kind of

1483
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: spiral out from the head and some of them, know,

1484
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: some swing more into the jaws. There was some asymmetry

1485
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: between left and rock. They seem to be even though

1486
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: scene one that was very like funky deformed didn't even

1487
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: have like a curl at all. It just kind of

1488
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: really came out and just down. It's just like this big.

1489
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: It could have been damaged at some point. Yeah, it's

1490
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,440
Speaker 1: a big mass of horn, and so a photo of it. Yeah,

1491
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: would that be sought after, just like you know shirt

1492
01:26:54,240 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: non typical sought after by me? The other side's legal. Yeah,

1493
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: the uh I killed the second one I got um

1494
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: was broomed on one side and full spiral on the

1495
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: other side. Room because it broke. It's a braided I

1496
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: was not snapped. I got another one that snapped, but

1497
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: it didn't snap all the way. But you can grab

1498
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: the end. You can grab the end and wiggle it.

1499
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: But it wasn't an abrasion. I bess they probably always

1500
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,799
Speaker 1: maybe not always, but I think they may might snap

1501
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: them and intebrate them. But it seems that they don't

1502
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: like is they don't like it in some rams don't

1503
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 1: like it in their peripheral vision, it seems, and so

1504
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: they'll work on them. I've even seen big horns scraping there.

1505
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I've seen big horns on you know, the wild Horse

1506
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Island with a new world record one came from. I've

1507
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: seen big horns out there, just scraping, scraping his horn.

1508
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: I also watched one but a tree I was, I

1509
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: was out there. I can't remember. I think I think

1510
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: he if I remember right, he rammed a tree. He

1511
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: rammed the Ponderosa pine seventy two times in a row. Yeah,

1512
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: bad day. I was just counting how many times he's

1513
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: doing it. I even went down and examined that pine

1514
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: when he got done and plucks some hairs out of it. Nice. Yeah,

1515
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: he just kept he just was ramming the tree. It

1516
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: was like he's like in an insane asylum. Man, he

1517
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 1: stuck out. He's training. Is that what it is? It's

1518
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: just practiced for Then one time we were floating, we

1519
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 1: were floating the river hunting muled heer and I kept

1520
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: thinking someone shooting twenty two. I'm not, but you kept

1521
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: kept being like why what are they shooting at twenty

1522
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 1: two off up there? And then she realizes big horns.

1523
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: It was late October big or maybe early November and

1524
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: big they were in rout and the big horns are

1525
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,559
Speaker 1: up there cracking heads. It sounds like we're going going off.

1526
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 1: That's story like a story always telling. My brother drew

1527
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: a big horn tag and we kept going down in

1528
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: this area to try to find sheep and couldn't find sheep.

1529
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: And I got to be like dismissive where I look

1530
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 1: up on this hill and I'm like, oh, it's Mulder

1531
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: way off on this mountain side. I'm like, oh, it's

1532
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: cut Mulder up there. And all of a sudden, two

1533
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: of these mules their stand up on their back feet,

1534
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: talk their front arms up, run at each other and

1535
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: smack heads. I'm like, oh my god, I want to

1536
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: see that bad. Yeah they do. They tuck their arms

1537
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: and remember that Mountain Dew commercial where there's a there's

1538
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: a dude who takes was it searched maybe it was

1539
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: surge and he takes a big goal of this soda

1540
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: pop and it Now you guys, uh, you like to dip,

1541
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: you like to spit juicepit in du bottles. No, I

1542
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: don't drink do because most guys dip. I noticed they

1543
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: really have a tendency to want to spit into a due.

1544
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 1: B just came up when we were talking about the

1545
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: redneck call guys they have to drink them mountain do

1546
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: and then they do the redneck and the rednecks come

1547
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: running in their direction. Uh where were we on sheet seeing? Yeah,

1548
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: so the band of rams man and I look at like,

1549
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: I said, I give everything the benefit of the doubt,

1550
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, like I wanted to be legal, but it's

1551
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: just not legal. We got pretty close to him too.

1552
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: Later we got yeah, no, there's no doubt in my

1553
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: mind that we like. It's not one of those things

1554
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: where I'm like, man, I feel haunted. I remember hunt

1555
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: hunting dolls, sheep, but d any One time we'rehump with

1556
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: another buddy of ours and he put a stock on

1557
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: a ram, like we determined a ram, or like that

1558
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: ram is legal. He put a stock on the ram,

1559
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: got within rifle range, and comes back down the mountain.

1560
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: There's no shot. He's like, I don't think it's legal. Man.

1561
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: He had to leave, he had to take off, and

1562
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: we went and refound the thing all over again. We

1563
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: did a bunch of hunting first, couldn't couldn't find a

1564
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: bigger one, and like, oh, let's go back. And when

1565
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: we found that one and shot in those full ram

1566
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: so you found it, second guessed it, didn't think it

1567
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: was legal, and then someone else second guessed it. We

1568
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: were pretty convinced. It was harder than I expected. To

1569
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: be fair, that was a small ram. Yes, it's very

1570
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 1: small horned ram. Yeah, but he had a full crow horn. Yeah.

1571
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: So if you if you put one down, that is

1572
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: kind of right on the line of like legal, and

1573
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: then you go do you get it checked? Like what's

1574
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 1: your content? What are the consequences away from you? And

1575
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: I'd probably find you. Yeah. The last ram, the last ram,

1576
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: so I've only got like I've gotten too, So I

1577
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: say the last one, I mean the second doll ram

1578
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 1: I got was out of a special management area that

1579
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 1: has really big rams, and so there I was that

1580
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: had the luxury of a ram that was like well

1581
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 1: and excessive folk. I mean just you look at them,

1582
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: He's like that's some bitch way full curl right. Um,

1583
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: So then you all cocky when you go down to

1584
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 1: fishing game. So go down there and not having any

1585
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: apprehension about what you know, not having like even in

1586
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 1: the back of your head. There's no like, man, what

1587
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: are they gonna what if they write? And we get

1588
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: there and there's a dude checking a ram and they

1589
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: hold his ram and I come in the door. I'm

1590
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,720
Speaker 1: thinking that think is that full curl? They hold his ram.

1591
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 1: A trooper comes in with another ram that he had confiscated.

1592
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 1: We're He goes to check a guy at an airstrip

1593
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: and he's like, do you get one? Yeah, I got one.

1594
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,799
Speaker 1: Let me see the head. Oh, it's in the bottom

1595
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: of my pack, at which point he gets really interested

1596
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,600
Speaker 1: to see the ramps. Not even kind of like this

1597
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: one's like, no argument you made for it. Finished check

1598
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: in my sheep. It's mandatory checker. You have to bring

1599
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: the head down to have a check. Finished check in

1600
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: my sheep. Here comes another couple of guys. They pull

1601
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: out a ram. I'm like, the way is that ram legal?

1602
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: And then the guys were already kind of getting like,

1603
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't see where that one led, but

1604
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: they were already sort of in the seconds we had

1605
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: to look at it. They had you tell it wasn't

1606
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna go well. For that guy. So it happens more

1607
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: often than you think. There was. I saw counting mine.

1608
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: There were four and three of them. Three of them

1609
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: one was not even under consideration. Two of them were

1610
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: like any I looked and I'm like, there's no way,

1611
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: And the and the guy in the biologists were definitely

1612
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: sort of on one head said we're holding it, one

1613
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 1: had already been confiscated, and one it wasn't going well

1614
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: for the guy. When they take that plug, that's that's

1615
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: the definitive like age thing, right, No, that plug is

1616
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: to market for uh, legal trafficking. When they plug it,

1617
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: they drill a hole and drive a plug into a

1618
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: metal what is that thing? A shell casing almost that

1619
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: they drow a hole and pounded in there. Yeah, just screen.

1620
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: You always got to look for it when you go

1621
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 1: to find it. Yeah, they put in a spot where

1622
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to see, but it's got a

1623
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: number on it. Yeah. Think he's just proving that you,

1624
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, had your rams and field and if you

1625
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 1: have you know, a fresh ram head in your possession

1626
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: about that plug in it, then that's trouble for you.

1627
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: So if they if they confiscated, what happens to the meat,

1628
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: they auction the they auction the heads off, and then

1629
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 1: the meat does go to waster. What do they do

1630
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: with it? I don't know what they do with that food? Banquit?

1631
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Do you get any like hunting right restrictions if you

1632
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: shoot an illegal ram? Like? Do they like? Yeah, there's

1633
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: a system, there's a there's a system in place that's

1634
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: people should know about. Um, there's a cooperative of states

1635
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 1: and it grows all the time where when you lose

1636
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: your hunting rights in one state. Yeah, for a while,

1637
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: it's like seven states in the West had this cooperative

1638
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: where if you lose your hunting rights in one state,

1639
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: you lose your hunting rights in the whole. And I

1640
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: think that that cooperative, you lose your rights in all

1641
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: states that are involved in the cooperative. And Yanni can

1642
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: maybe check us. I feel like it's up to like

1643
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: forty two states a lot, man, And I feel like

1644
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: I think I remember seeing that Texas isn't one of them.

1645
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: Texas isn't one of them. I think I've ever seen that.

1646
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. We should check to make sure

1647
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: you might checking out? Yess that's interesting? So then all right, um, yeah,

1648
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: I think so, yes, But when you hear someone losing

1649
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: their hunting rights, it's agregious stuff. Oh so you could

1650
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: make a slip up and shoot like a seven year

1651
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 1: old ram, even if you think that you're not doing

1652
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: anything wrong. Bring it in and bring it in, right,

1653
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: You guys that lose their hunt rights, it's usually like

1654
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: like jit poaching, serial poachers, or you just did something,

1655
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: not like you made a mistake, but you did something

1656
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 1: like So I do remember a guy. I do remember

1657
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:28,720
Speaker 1: a guy killing a grizzly. Did he mistook for a

1658
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: black beverybody? I think there was an attempt to cover up.

1659
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 1: I remember he had a ten dollar fine, seven years

1660
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: revocation of his hunting privileges. He was from Pennsylvania but

1661
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 1: lost his hunting privileges in a western state. And I remember,

1662
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: if I remember it was right when when Pennsylvania joined

1663
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 1: that that cooperative and I remember thinking, like, man, he

1664
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: came hunt at home? Noow man. But I think in

1665
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that case too, I think that it involved some deception. Yeah.

1666
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: So is it fair to say that if you call yourself,

1667
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: you make a mistake, call in, report yourself, they're going

1668
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 1: to be more lenient on you. Or is that totally Yeah,

1669
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: like more lenient being. Yeah, just in terms like like

1670
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: in a relative sense, I would say, like yes, because

1671
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: there still has to be some punitive action, but you know,

1672
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: confiscation for sure, you might not get hit with finer. Yeah,

1673
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, I can't really speak. I'm sure there's plenty

1674
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: of case scenarios look at. But I've had the conversation

1675
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: with quite a number of people, and everyone has always

1676
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: expressed to me that, um that that when you self report,

1677
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: it's a lot better for you, right the one you don't.

1678
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 1: And so like this dude that tried to hide the ram,

1679
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: and we actually got to talk to that trooper for

1680
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: a while. The guy that tried to hide the ram

1681
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: from the dude was seriously annoyed. Oh yeah, did you

1682
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: had to play that little game? I bet and he

1683
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: and we even I think I even asked him at

1684
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: the time. I'm almost certain I aske him at the time,

1685
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Um if that like colors his impression of the case.

1686
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: And he was like absolutely, Man, when I got to

1687
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: like force you to let me look in backpack is

1688
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: a lot different than you let me look in your backpack. Right,

1689
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: there was a poacher at our around where we have

1690
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: a family cabinet, Seelye Swan night sniping big neely Bucks.

1691
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 1: I think I heard about this guy. He's from Pennsylvania. Okay,

1692
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: I didn't hear about this, but he got jail time.

1693
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was bad enough, it was crazy. What

1694
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: states are trying to do now is since they're trying

1695
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: to do now, a thing that states do, and I

1696
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: think it's becoming a more popular idea, is trying to

1697
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: apply the right economic value to the resource that you've taken.

1698
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 1: Because it used to be that that you could shoot

1699
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: like a trophy bull elk, and it wasn't as you

1700
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: could poach a trophy bull elk, and the punishment would

1701
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: be worse if you stole someone's lawnmower out of their garage.

1702
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 1: Like so you can steal three lawnmower and it's you know,

1703
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: like this misdemeanor of fence that could come with potential

1704
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 1: a jail time. Right, But you can shoot a trophy

1705
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 1: bullell and we're just treating it like it's nothing. We're

1706
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: treating like it's just like essentially valueless entity. And you

1707
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: get like there's some of little slap on the wrist.

1708
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 1: So now when you're like there are several states possibly

1709
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: more that have gone in and said, like they apply

1710
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: the Boone and Crockett scoring system or take another scoring

1711
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 1: system and apply it to poached animals. And if you

1712
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: turn out to be like and it's trying to differentiate

1713
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 1: like your pot hunter from me from like someone who's

1714
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: like really going out to try to like harvest high

1715
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 1: end trophy animals and then coming in with a fine

1716
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: system if you're shooting like really valuable animals, like what

1717
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: does that animals value to the hunting community and what

1718
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 1: exactly have you stolen? You might have stolen something that's

1719
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: worth well that dude, that it should be treated as such,

1720
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: rather than you shot a cottontail rabbit out of season

1721
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: because it was getting into you know, yeah, just like that.

1722
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: It's not all the same thing that that guy in

1723
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,719
Speaker 1: cuy Swan I was told or read that he poached

1724
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 1: enough big bucks that have did that entire regions genetics

1725
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: not genetics. But you know, they weren't breathing like he was.

1726
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 1: He was putting it. Put a hit on the who

1727
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: put a hit on the hunt? Yeah? Yeah, there was

1728
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 1: an interesting situation you're for Campbell in Kentucky where these

1729
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 1: guys were sneaking into the closed off areas on the base,

1730
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: like the impact areas, So like you know on any

1731
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: big military installation where you've got ranges and you know,

1732
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 1: aircraft ranges and things like that, we're shooting live ammunition. Basically,

1733
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 1: the backstops of those areas are just codd and like

1734
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 1: unexploded ordinance, and you just don't want to go back there.

1735
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: They're just completely closed off areas. So it ends up

1736
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,719
Speaker 1: happening is he's you know, deer will never get hunted,

1737
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: and they live in those areas and they're licking like

1738
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: the sulfur off the rounds and stuff. They get huge, yeah, giant,

1739
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: giant racks with these guys who weren't in the military.

1740
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: They're just living outside the base. They were able to

1741
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: drive in through like one of the back gates, and

1742
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: they were sneaking into those areas that are full of

1743
01:39:57,320 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: like unexploded bombs and poaching year year round, and they

1744
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 1: got busted. They had like, you know, forty heads sitting

1745
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: in a barn somewhere in Kentucky with really interesting that

1746
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: they had like like parachutes um like flares, you know

1747
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like like stuck in their antlers, stuck

1748
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: in there stuck in their antlers and stuff. There's you know,

1749
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: photographs in the newspaper. They're just these really unique heads,

1750
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: bomb range bucks, all kinds of stuff all over their heads. Yeah,

1751
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 1: and they got them all. I want to say, they

1752
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 1: got the seven year band. There's there's a I was

1753
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 1: talking to do a concert or like a game warden

1754
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: one time who was given a presentation and it was

1755
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: about his idea that the same he had this idea

1756
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 1: that was like there there's like cereal well put us

1757
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: a different way. He was adopting something that's well known

1758
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 1: in criminal criminology and applying it to poaching. What should

1759
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: be that you have serial criminals. So like like most

1760
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:54,600
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies, the FBI, they're they're focusing on like

1761
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: serial criminals, thinking that you could reduce by removing ten

1762
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: percent of the criminals, you could affect ninety scent of

1763
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,400
Speaker 1: the crime. So that's why you put so much emphasis

1764
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: into like organized crime rings, because it winds up being

1765
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: there's like a ring of individuals and they're involved in extoration, prostitution,

1766
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: drug trafficking, auto theft, right, and if you can find

1767
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: these these core groups and take those groups down, you're

1768
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 1: doing more to eliminate theft than you are by going

1769
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,639
Speaker 1: after all the petty individuals who are doing like onesies, twosies.

1770
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,519
Speaker 1: And this guy had come to this opinion. He had

1771
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: all this data to back it up, the nine the

1772
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:30,519
Speaker 1: ten percent of your poachers are doing your poaching, and

1773
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: and and he got into he was into this idea

1774
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 1: of like who are these individuals, what are their motivations,

1775
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 1: and what are their markers? And he was given presentations

1776
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 1: the other state agencies to try to describe what he

1777
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: would call super poachers, like what is their motivations? And

1778
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: um a thing he found again and again, it's like

1779
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:55,200
Speaker 1: that they the garages and the sheds that they don't

1780
01:41:55,240 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: tell anyone about. They're just full of trophy animals, and

1781
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: they're motivated by the they're they're One of their main

1782
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: motivations is they have some criminal background. And one of

1783
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 1: their main motivations is a funk you to the state,

1784
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 1: like Freeman type, don't you you're not gonna be telling me?

1785
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: And they usually come out of some kind of that

1786
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 1: they usually have in their past, some kind of situation,

1787
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: they felt wronged, they've been in trouble with the cops,

1788
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: anti social and it's just like a point of pride

1789
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 1: for them to stick to. The man, I got all

1790
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: this stuff, don't you tell me what I'm gonna do.

1791
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I hate those type of people. Yeah, the ground and

1792
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,719
Speaker 1: he had a lot of pictures the garages and storage

1793
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: sheds packed with antlers, like a weird form of little

1794
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: trophy room, the secret trophy room. The only I know

1795
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: about me and my brother or whatever know about you know.

1796
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:04,640
Speaker 1: Quick update on the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact. That what

1797
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: it's called, and now there are forty eight members, including sex.

1798
01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 1: The two that are not um Hawaii and Massachusetts. Massachusetts

1799
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: is working to join right now. It doesn't say anything

1800
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 1: about what Hawaii's got going on. What are you hunting Massachusetts?

1801
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: White tails? Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff

1802
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 1: you hunt there for for big game. I don't know

1803
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: if Massachusetts. I won't be surprised here that they do

1804
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: not have a bear season. Definitely white tails and then

1805
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: all manner of small game foul upland waterfowl. Um, where

1806
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: were we on this whole thing? Oh? Why you can't

1807
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: go killing on the rams that aren't legal? And I'm

1808
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: telling you, man, um, it's hard to judge them. It's

1809
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: hard and when I say judge, you might be like, oh,

1810
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 1: you know, if you talking about judging the yielder, there's

1811
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 1: no legal ramification. It's just you want to find a

1812
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 1: big one. But with a ram it's like a tremendous

1813
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 1: amount of pressure to get to make the right call.

1814
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: And the handful of times I've been in a situation

1815
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: where you're like shooting, you're walking over there, it's extremely

1816
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: stressful because you're doubting your own decision making, even on

1817
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 1: the case of one where was like so clearly mass like,

1818
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: it's nerve racking. It's not fun. Oh there's nerve racking.

1819
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 1: The minutes that passed between you touch the trigger and

1820
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:29,640
Speaker 1: you're getting over there is a not fun bunch of minutes. Man. Uh.

1821
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: And then we like that drainage up to the glaciers

1822
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 1: at the head of it. It's like a beautiful start

1823
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: kind of situation when you get up there where the

1824
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 1: ice is ripping the mountainto shreds, and there's spots you

1825
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: can stand where it's just like you can just stop

1826
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:50,600
Speaker 1: and listen and just rock raining down everywhere around you.

1827
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: Big rock, small rock. It's just it's it's constant though

1828
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: the sound of it like the mountain getting ripped apart

1829
01:44:56,439 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 1: by the ice. It was. I had a few on

1830
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: a doom up that first drainage. It was like a

1831
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 1: death zone. Man. There wasn't anything living up there. Yeah,

1832
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: it was weird when you get the head of it.

1833
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: He came back and I saw green for the first time.

1834
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, it makes sense now, I feel better.

1835
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: But that was weird. We found a drop moose antler,

1836
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: not up in the glaciers, but way higher than any willow,

1837
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 1: you know. And he had somehow wand up there or

1838
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: it fell out of or it fell out that duds

1839
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 1: who hunts shed out of his airplane. I think he

1840
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 1: might have dropped. Bear in mind that that was that

1841
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 1: he shed that antler and what December January, that was

1842
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: crazy about it. A little later, sometimes February, our pilot

1843
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: was saying that the moves hang out out there in

1844
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the flask right, and they hang out there until the

1845
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,719
Speaker 1: snows get too deep and the wind piles up the snow,

1846
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 1: and then they'll actually move into that high country to

1847
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,479
Speaker 1: find the wind swept places. Yeah, he was so high

1848
01:45:56,520 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 1: there wasn't any brows up there though, right, Yeah, he

1849
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 1: might not know because he's just digging to the snow.

1850
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know he was. He was a half mile

1851
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: above any willow. That was interesting. But yeah, you get

1852
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 1: up around the glaciers and it's like it's like the

1853
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: earth at work. Man. What was that Leopold quote you

1854
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 1: guys mentioned that was cool? You kind of Yanni should

1855
01:46:18,600 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: look at it. I want to hear that. Eldo Leopold's son,

1856
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 1: the author of Sand County Almanac, had a son who

1857
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: became a hydrologist. Who's got to be still alive. I

1858
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's his son, Luna Leopold. I'm

1859
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what I think it is, and then

1860
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 1: Yanni's gonna tell us what it is. Rivers are the

1861
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 1: gutters through which run the ruins of continents. What's your

1862
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: guests that's pretty pretty spot honest fear as I know. Yeah, yeh,

1863
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: he's gonna tell us all that. So I think he

1864
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: was a he was a fluvial geo morphologist, So fluvial

1865
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 1: geo morphologist. He studied how rivers, you know, create landscapes,

1866
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,719
Speaker 1: maintain landscapes. You have a good time up there, obviously

1867
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: you can't, Yeah, you can't have a fluvial g and

1868
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 1: more foulges that spends time around rivers. Yeah, what's interesting

1869
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 1: about the glaciers is, uh, it's like huge tall packs

1870
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 1: of ice, but they're filled all the way through rocks.

1871
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 1: It was like a giant rocks grow string to that one.

1872
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:28,560
Speaker 1: All the sediment and the different freezing levels where you

1873
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 1: guys kind of stop. Yeah, I know you can see

1874
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 1: the accumulations and the melt accumulations. You're not find any annie.

1875
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Rivers are the dre the gutters down which flow the

1876
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 1: ruins of continents. Okay, compared again, I said, rivers are

1877
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:51,600
Speaker 1: the gutters through which flow the ruins of continents. But

1878
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:55,839
Speaker 1: it's actually down, so you just missed. You just swapped

1879
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 1: through for down. It's pretty good, not bad. So from there,

1880
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: so at that point we've seen uh bandy using lambs,

1881
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:15,719
Speaker 1: sal grizz, two cubs, six rams, yeah, some number rams.

1882
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Then we running around to explore the other fourk of

1883
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: that thing and then drive eventually made our way day

1884
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 1: or two later, made our way up into saw those

1885
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: rams again. Considerable weather delay. Oh yeah, that's right. We

1886
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 1: got up, I went into another valley and saw the

1887
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:33,960
Speaker 1: same batch rams and the rams kind of drift around

1888
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,560
Speaker 1: in weird ways. Man, they're sort of like in the

1889
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: same area, but they're using different stuff. And this time

1890
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 1: they were down to the bottom of a big hanging valley.

1891
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: Got a real good look at them, but we saw

1892
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 1: the skyline. Yeah, they're hanging out on the ridge, but

1893
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:47,519
Speaker 1: at the same the same ridge we initially saw them on.

1894
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 1: But then eventually they just popped over the other side.

1895
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 1: So you know, they're only you know, maybe what a

1896
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 1: quarter half mile from where we had seen them, but

1897
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: they're just in a different valley now, dropped down to

1898
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: a different place to feed. They like to go up

1899
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 1: to lay down and like to lay down on I

1900
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: don't know, man, it's hard to describe what it like

1901
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:06,599
Speaker 1: to lay down. They love ridge tops, ridge tops, even

1902
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: to send finger ridges, rock piles on finger ridges, or

1903
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 1: just like the highest like flat spot, you know, the one,

1904
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think a spot you'd say, like it's

1905
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 1: like two that's kind of the perfect spot where you

1906
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 1: have two rivers come together and like the ridge rises

1907
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: up out of that thing. It gets like real high

1908
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:28,559
Speaker 1: and craggy, and he sits out there and he can

1909
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 1: look down and he can kind of monitor what's going on.

1910
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: And the two drainages blown. Yeah, I spent a lot

1911
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: of time looking down valley and laying a down valley

1912
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 1: direction because they know that nothing's coming from above. The

1913
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: primary predator. Though for the lambs, one of the primary

1914
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:46,480
Speaker 1: predators does come from above, because one of the primary

1915
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 1: causes of land mortality is golden eagles. Eagles. Yeah, we

1916
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 1: saw fair fair number golden eagles all and they're always

1917
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 1: go soaring around those ridge tops. You know. Golden eagles

1918
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 1: grab the baby or knock them off and pick the

1919
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 1: carcasses up her feet on the car because after they

1920
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 1: knock them off and make them fall out of their death.

1921
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: I had a pilot one time told me that she

1922
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 1: saw a golden eagle carrying on the wing carrying a lamb,

1923
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 1: a doll ram. Golden eagles are hard on mountain goats. Lamb,

1924
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:27,040
Speaker 1: lamb lamb. There's a a bill just wrote a there's

1925
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: a bill just wrote like Natural History of Alaska, and

1926
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 1: he had an eyewitness account of a lynx killing a

1927
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:37,800
Speaker 1: doll ram. Oh wow. He eye witness account from another

1928
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 1: biologists of a lynx that ran a doll ram down

1929
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 1: a gully, jumped on its back, bit the back of

1930
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: its head and a single linx killing a ramn mean

1931
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:56,840
Speaker 1: links and then wolverines kill them obviously, wolves kill them. Chris, Yeah,

1932
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 1: they kill him. Black beaters, you know black, I'm sure, dude,

1933
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:03,440
Speaker 1: But they don't make the list as much as wolverines.

1934
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: I think the top are wolverines and brown bears from

1935
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 1: one area. Tony Rust talks about it in his books

1936
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: about hunting Dollar Sheet that they're pretty weak animals. Like

1937
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, he's talking about it from like a projectile standpoint.

1938
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,760
Speaker 1: You know, arrows hitting them in funny places, bolts hitting

1939
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,920
Speaker 1: them in funny places. But it's not like an elk

1940
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 1: that soaks up the lead and then like two days

1941
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: later you're still tracking it. You know, three ridges five

1942
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: miles away. It's like a ram. Once he takes a hits,

1943
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,400
Speaker 1: he's not going far. He's gonna lay down. Not tough,

1944
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 1: not tough in that regard. So you know, maybe a

1945
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 1: bite to the back of the head from the lynx,

1946
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 1: it just slowly starts to take the blood out of

1947
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 1: him and it weakens him enough. Yeah, I should say,

1948
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: I kept saying back in the head of the neck,

1949
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 1: but him on the neck killed him. Links We saw

1950
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 1: links print ye saw links tracks, but they're snowsh your

1951
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:05,680
Speaker 1: hair specialist, man Grouse snows your hairs arm again, that's

1952
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: what they specialize in. Surprising to see you know that

1953
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: he would do that. Man, He's got a square meal

1954
01:52:10,040 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 1: laid out ahead of him after doing that. He's got

1955
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 1: protected though. He's like to dude with a nice car

1956
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 1: and a shitty neighborhood, just worrying about his Yeah, man,

1957
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 1: you dis imagined how stressed out he is. He's like something,

1958
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: someone's gonna take this from him. What am I gonna

1959
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 1: do now? Yeah, hopefully he did it in the Winner.

1960
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,439
Speaker 1: One of the main things they're gonna take it from

1961
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 1: him aren't around when all the bears are underground. And

1962
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 1: then we worked out in the area that Dirt Dirt

1963
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 1: dubbed God's Penthouse as beautiful other head of the valley

1964
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: like nothing I've ever seen. Dude. At first when he

1965
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,000
Speaker 1: said that, I thought you were being profane because I

1966
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,760
Speaker 1: associate penthouse with the magazine, But then I remember, did

1967
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: its um actually like a type of room, like a

1968
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 1: nice room and hotel? Yeah, real, myth that's right. Yeah.

1969
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 1: And the color we're talking about, the colors like of

1970
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,680
Speaker 1: the tundra that's like it's crazy, just variations like God,

1971
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:17,320
Speaker 1: it was beautiful man, huge spires covered in snow. Yeah,

1972
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: and just huge, like you think it's like, wow, this

1973
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 1: area is huge, but then beyond it there's so you're

1974
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: trying to understand the infinity of space and you're thinking like, well,

1975
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,640
Speaker 1: some wight there's a brick wall, but then beyond that

1976
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 1: there's something. Yeah, I mean if there wasn't. Right when

1977
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: you're there, like you sort of go like woh, you know,

1978
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,600
Speaker 1: look all the space. You go like, but then but

1979
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:43,920
Speaker 1: then up there it's like tens of miles. Well, Chris

1980
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 1: had an interest you could go without running into anything. Yeah,

1981
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: that point about if you could, if you could lay

1982
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:56,240
Speaker 1: down a city block in that landscape perspective, Yeah, you

1983
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 1: just see so much country. When you're up high in there,

1984
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,360
Speaker 1: you just see so much it's like hard to take

1985
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,680
Speaker 1: in what you're really looking at. I remember taking a

1986
01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 1: guy caribou hunting, and he hadn't had a lot of

1987
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 1: experience hunting like open country. Yeah, yeah, and we asked

1988
01:54:10,680 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 1: him how far Carriby Way. It was a way He

1989
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 1: expressed it in blocks, you know, three blocks. The way

1990
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: I've ever think of it it's gonna be a hard trip.

1991
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, that place is pretty magical. But again,

1992
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 1: no rams using lambs. And by this point we're days

1993
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:35,800
Speaker 1: into the trip. We've lost a lot of time to

1994
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: sit in and bad weather. A lot of time to

1995
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 1: sitting in bad weather because when it when it's foggy,

1996
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:45,040
Speaker 1: just can't see cloudy. I kept debating, is it fog

1997
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 1: or clouds? What do you think fog is a cloud

1998
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,040
Speaker 1: at ground level? Right? So is that what it is?

1999
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 1: That'd be a good thing for you. I need to

2000
01:54:52,240 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: look up. I think it's the same. I feel like

2001
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: it is some of the water man just yeah, because

2002
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 1: it we'd be like we're up in the clouds or

2003
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, we're in the fog by the way,

2004
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 1: just like when when you can't see you just shut down.

2005
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 1: It's not like a lot of stuff where you just

2006
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 1: gotta plow ahead, right, or just wait for one to

2007
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 1: come along, yeah, or just wait because like a thick

2008
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 1: cloud of tiny water droplets suspended in the atmosphere at

2009
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 1: or near the Earth's surface that obscures or restricts musibility. Okay,

2010
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: so chemically they're the same clouds sitting in the clouds

2011
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do,

2012
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 1: at least that one when we woke up in the

2013
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:39,840
Speaker 1: in God's penthouse, it was clear, blow freezing. It's just

2014
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 1: nice because you get to look at it all and go, yep,

2015
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: we've seen it all, We've cleared it. There are no

2016
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:48,040
Speaker 1: rams in here. Let's move on. Yeah, it's nicer. You

2017
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: can have that thirtitude because a lot of times you're

2018
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 1: walking through and you're like, I don't know, Like we

2019
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 1: would just travel when it was when it was cloudy.

2020
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 1: We would also just travel like you're gonna walk three,

2021
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 1: four or five miles into a new zone and then

2022
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 1: sit there hoping that it clears up. Or you have

2023
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:03,800
Speaker 1: to just kind of sit there as the clouds blow

2024
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 1: through and now and then you sort of keep a

2025
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: mental picture of a mental map of what you've seen

2026
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:12,360
Speaker 1: or not as the clouds have come through, and you'd

2027
01:56:12,360 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 1: be like, man, I still haven't seen over in that area.

2028
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 1: Then also in that area clear up enough, you look,

2029
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't feel definitive because you're trying to

2030
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: find a white animal in white clouds. You lose a

2031
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 1: lot of time. Danny was telling us something interesting, Uh,

2032
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 1: explain what you've read about the things that factor into

2033
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:32,480
Speaker 1: hunter success rates. Oh yeah, that that The The Efficient

2034
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 1: Game has a cool publication now read before this hump.

2035
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 1: But one of the interesting things in there was that, uh,

2036
01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:42,800
Speaker 1: the number you know, they fly annual surveys to index

2037
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:46,480
Speaker 1: cheap abundance And apparently it's not a relationship between the

2038
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 1: number of rams and a given area and hunter success

2039
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 1: that it has more to do with just the weather

2040
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 1: in any given hunting season. Like if you've got if

2041
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:57,520
Speaker 1: you've got clear weather and good visibility, then you gotta

2042
01:56:57,560 --> 01:57:01,360
Speaker 1: hire success rates. Yeah, that's gotta be something that's that's

2043
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 1: gonna be something that's applicable in a lot of places,

2044
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: but probably nowhere is severe Like you think like weather,

2045
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 1: I think well not waterfowl is huge man like weather

2046
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 1: for waterfowl in some areas where you don't have local birds, right,

2047
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 1: the weather can like ruin the harvest for a particulars. Yeah, yeah,

2048
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 1: but in in sheep on it's just like so kind

2049
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:26,280
Speaker 1: of it's so stark, right, either you're hunting or you're not. Yeah,

2050
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 1: it can be that you just there's nothing you can do.

2051
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. Ducks would be like, man,

2052
01:57:31,120 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot better had the weather

2053
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 1: been bad. We got a few right at daylight, but

2054
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,040
Speaker 1: then they shut down because there's no birth moving through Becau.

2055
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: There's no there's no clouds, so they're flying too high

2056
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 1: or whatever it winds up being. But this is like,

2057
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 1: this is yeah, it's just like it's kind of almost

2058
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,440
Speaker 1: like on or off to some degree being able to

2059
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 1: hunt and also up in God's penthouse there's care we

2060
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 1: run around. It's funny because like the thing about cares

2061
01:57:55,200 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 1: think about is how sort of um disorganized and like

2062
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: and not not deliberate. They seem like at one point

2063
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: in time when we were trying to go through that

2064
01:58:10,360 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 1: I remember we try to go above that canyon. Couldn't

2065
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 1: have to abort mission and go and sleep and then

2066
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 1: try another route through. Three bulls are trying to come

2067
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 1: down this hillside and they can't see us. The smells

2068
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,600
Speaker 1: their way away. We watched three bulls and they come

2069
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: and they kind of get confused and they're clearly trying

2070
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 1: to go somewhere in a hurry, and then all of

2071
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 1: a sudden they're down feeding back kind of where they

2072
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,360
Speaker 1: came from. And then they were there twenty four hours

2073
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,480
Speaker 1: later it was like, so, what was it when you ran?

2074
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 1: They were doing the scene. They were trying to come

2075
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:41,760
Speaker 1: down through the same stuff we were trying to go

2076
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 1: up through, and they realized it was too steep at

2077
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 1: the same time we realized it was too steep. They

2078
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: backed off and spent the night uphill, and we backed

2079
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 1: off and spent the night downhill. And then we and

2080
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 1: then we crossed paths with him again the next day

2081
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,680
Speaker 1: on the other side of the valley where we could travel.

2082
01:58:57,720 --> 01:58:59,320
Speaker 1: I think they were doing the same thing we were doing.

2083
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,760
Speaker 1: It's so because they seemed like, I want to h

2084
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 1: there's like the so the largest land mammal migration on

2085
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: the continent caribou. Right, they can pull off some really

2086
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 1: astounding feats of navigation. But when you're looking at a caribou,

2087
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: particularly up in the moullas, it's like, do you have

2088
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 1: any plan? He's just like, you know what I'm gonna do, man,

2089
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 1: he says, But I'm just gonna run, like holy hell

2090
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:28,760
Speaker 1: over that way. In a while later I'll run back.

2091
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 1: It's so weird watching them. It's weird, what are they thinking?

2092
01:59:34,120 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 1: They also don't get as scared as other animals of people,

2093
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 1: like because we ran up on them just to film

2094
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 1: and just see them quite curious. And then yeah, they

2095
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:44,880
Speaker 1: came towards us. And then you guys were down at

2096
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 1: camp and me and Danny were still up high and

2097
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 1: then that one bowl just like almost like it spotted

2098
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: you guys and then rent them running away. It started

2099
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 1: running uphill towards camp, and then it got really close

2100
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,480
Speaker 1: through my range finder. He was twenty nine yards away

2101
01:59:56,520 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: when he finally changed his mind. He was like, oh,

2102
01:59:57,960 --> 01:59:59,760
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this isn't my crew. I can pick

2103
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,280
Speaker 1: it out. He came to us looking at us. He's

2104
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 1: because I think that they're you know, they're so gregarious,

2105
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:10,080
Speaker 1: and they're such they have such a herd mentality. Uh.

2106
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,600
Speaker 1: I feel that when they see something that's like kind

2107
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: of the right shape, they think it's another cariboo that

2108
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm not gonna go so close that it

2109
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: could pounce on me and kill me, but I'm gonna

2110
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:22,680
Speaker 1: go under the assumption that I'm looking at a caribou.

2111
02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:24,440
Speaker 1: It's the only thing I think is especially like out

2112
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 1: on the Arctic, like out on the Arctic slope, where

2113
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 1: you see huge distances most caribou, that you're coming across landscape.

2114
02:00:31,480 --> 02:00:34,440
Speaker 1: Most carebl when they see something then in some way

2115
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 1: kind of skirt then in some way want to kind

2116
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 1: of come to you. To they're going, they have to

2117
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 1: be thinking, like I'm gonna rule out that it's a caribou.

2118
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:46,440
Speaker 1: This is the first thing on their mind. And also

2119
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:48,880
Speaker 1: I just think that they the way they travel move,

2120
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:50,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them go through life having

2121
02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:54,640
Speaker 1: no experience with people. You know, it's not like like

2122
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 1: a like a white tail box to gets me five

2123
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 1: years old, and all that thing has done. His whole

2124
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,680
Speaker 1: life is dodged getting killed, and he learns that when

2125
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 1: you see that shape, get out of there. You want

2126
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. Man, Because I've seen sixteen

2127
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:12,040
Speaker 1: and my friends killed by those things. I think that

2128
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:15,520
Speaker 1: I think that the caribool just for whatever it's like,

2129
02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 1: it's more beneficial for them to find other caribou than

2130
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 1: it is to run the risk of that you're running

2131
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 1: up on something that's gonna do it. And I think

2132
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of them haven't don't have any human experience.

2133
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:28,440
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I think in that country, I think

2134
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: a ten year old doll ramp has to have probably

2135
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:36,000
Speaker 1: accrued some human experience. Yeah, we saw tracks in a

2136
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of the drainages. We were in human tracks. I

2137
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,200
Speaker 1: think that they at that age, I think that they've

2138
02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:46,879
Speaker 1: have had exposure or they just learned to be paranoid

2139
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 1: about anything, you know. But like caribou, it seems like

2140
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 1: there's like their success as a species has so much

2141
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:56,040
Speaker 1: more to do with it's just like high fore coundity

2142
02:01:56,120 --> 02:02:01,160
Speaker 1: than it does anyone individual. Um becoming a real caging

2143
02:02:01,200 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: and wildly because I just never seen one that was

2144
02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 1: like real caging Wiley, Well it hasn't hasn't worked its

2145
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:12,520
Speaker 1: way into their geno, my guess. Yeah. Um, they'd like

2146
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:14,880
Speaker 1: to land the snow a lot because they get away

2147
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:17,640
Speaker 1: from bugs. And that's the thing I know, Like before

2148
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:20,840
Speaker 1: hunting cariboo, you would see him now and then run.

2149
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 1: But you could tell because they would run when the

2150
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:26,040
Speaker 1: wind died. Yeah, because when the wind died, the bugs

2151
02:02:26,040 --> 02:02:28,960
Speaker 1: are too bad. And so then they'd run and stop

2152
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:31,240
Speaker 1: and feed and then you'd see you could watch it

2153
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:34,160
Speaker 1: happened enough minutes would go by that they'd pick up

2154
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 1: their swarm of black flies and mosquitoes, and then they'd

2155
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:39,240
Speaker 1: run and stopping, feed and run, and that was just

2156
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:42,360
Speaker 1: there grazing off into the wind. To their grazing pattern

2157
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:45,640
Speaker 1: was just like to get clear of your cloud. Eat,

2158
02:02:46,520 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 1: Get clear of your cloud and eat. And you'd sit

2159
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,120
Speaker 1: there and I remember getting up in the good glasses

2160
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:54,080
Speaker 1: about hunting cariboo out on the Arctic slope, and you

2161
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:58,400
Speaker 1: get up in your good glass about nothing's happening. And

2162
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: then mid day of eleven o'clock start to get warm

2163
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:02,760
Speaker 1: and started to get real buggy. And also in the

2164
02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:06,080
Speaker 1: lamb would just come alive with caribou because all those

2165
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:08,640
Speaker 1: carribore just nestled into their little dips and valleys and

2166
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:11,160
Speaker 1: stuff where there was good lush feed. And the mosquitoes

2167
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:13,200
Speaker 1: get bad and he starts seeing rolling over all the

2168
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:15,080
Speaker 1: ridge tops as they're trying to run away, and then

2169
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:17,120
Speaker 1: it'd be like good, then the hunting is good because

2170
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 1: you can also see them all around. Then it cool

2171
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:21,880
Speaker 1: off or to get windy, and the amount of movement

2172
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:30,200
Speaker 1: activity would die down. Strange animals, man, I like to

2173
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:31,640
Speaker 1: hunt them, but it's like generally if you get on

2174
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:35,480
Speaker 1: when you're gonna get them. Well, the one broadsided itself

2175
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:38,760
Speaker 1: at like fifty yards maybe to us, and I was like, dude,

2176
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:41,120
Speaker 1: you're just what are you doing? Man, you're just asking

2177
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:44,280
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yeah, we could have. We could have

2178
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 1: got Carriban that area. Yeah, I wouldn't want to carry

2179
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:51,160
Speaker 1: one that far. That would have been along. So hunted

2180
02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:57,360
Speaker 1: out God's penthouse. Um, Triple Nip, went to Triple Nipple.

2181
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 1: That looks spectacular. No one shot at a tarm again

2182
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 1: on the way to triple that. Yeah, he shot out

2183
02:04:05,120 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 1: a tarm. We're getting using rat shot, Uh, which isn't

2184
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 1: You said that they're working on a better version of that. Well,

2185
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 1: I I picked up a box that was bigger. I

2186
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 1: mean that's slightly bigger. Shot was like maybe nine shot

2187
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: number nine. Yeah, it looks bigger. We're talking about the

2188
02:04:22,520 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 1: shotgun shells you can shoot out. So you got a

2189
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 1: bear protection you got a bear protection pistol. Just talk

2190
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 1: about what everybody what you have for bear protection? Yeah,

2191
02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:36,680
Speaker 1: Smith and Western mile twenty nine. I think that is.

2192
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't know we got the exact same one. But

2193
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 1: it's the air Light p D super lightweight. It like

2194
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:46,280
Speaker 1: doubles in weight when you load it with I think

2195
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:49,680
Speaker 1: it more than doubles, but really rounds. It's got a

2196
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:54,000
Speaker 1: bunch of aluminumous titanium. I think yeah, um, but Anyways,

2197
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:57,280
Speaker 1: it's a real popular bear side arm. I think it's

2198
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of made for that, right, what the so yeah

2199
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:08,080
Speaker 1: hurts like holy hell sheet, definitely, man hurts your hand. Yeah,

2200
02:05:08,360 --> 02:05:11,560
Speaker 1: but they make a shotgun show or because it rat shot. Yeah,

2201
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:14,720
Speaker 1: you're not getting many in there. And you know, we

2202
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:17,160
Speaker 1: were talking about why why it's hard, Why it's hard,

2203
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 1: why you get to be a point blank ranging for

2204
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:21,560
Speaker 1: it to work. And it's not really the velocity or

2205
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:24,280
Speaker 1: anythink it's got to be the fact that there's no choke,

2206
02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, to that round. And so even at ten

2207
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 1: feet barrel, who knows what that pattern looks like. It

2208
02:05:32,520 --> 02:05:36,120
Speaker 1: could be spread out to five feet already. It's ridiculous

2209
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:38,840
Speaker 1: that we don't know what the pattern looks like. Good,

2210
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:42,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna pattern in the strip, but we didn't have

2211
02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 1: a piece of paper. I kind of forgot about it.

2212
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:46,920
Speaker 1: I never thought, dude, I just know that I've been. Um,

2213
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:50,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've been. We had a lot of

2214
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 1: shot opportunities one time hunting. She remember just sometimes being like,

2215
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,560
Speaker 1: how in the world did I not get that thing? Yeah,

2216
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 1: I think it's it comes down to luck. Eventually that

2217
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:01,840
Speaker 1: patterns will lose. Remember, we're a time we were out

2218
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:03,320
Speaker 1: in the weather was really nice and we weren't even

2219
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 1: setting up tents. We're just laying out into laying out

2220
02:06:05,640 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 1: in the tund or to sleep. I remember waking up

2221
02:06:07,680 --> 02:06:09,360
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. Remember it was two

2222
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:11,080
Speaker 1: in the morning, but it was earlier in the season.

2223
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:12,440
Speaker 1: There was two in the morning. I remember waking up

2224
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:13,720
Speaker 1: two in the morning. There was a group of time

2225
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 1: in amongst our sleeping bags. They're really active at night, Yeah,

2226
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:19,960
Speaker 1: moving around in amongst our sleep bags. I remember shooting

2227
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:21,400
Speaker 1: one of those of the rat shot but it was

2228
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:24,280
Speaker 1: point blank you know. Um, But other times you shoot,

2229
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:26,960
Speaker 1: you like, what in the world happened? I think the

2230
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:29,160
Speaker 1: effective range of that, it's like stuff is maybe like

2231
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 1: tential feet. You're pretty pretty good. Outside of that, it's

2232
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 1: real hitting this. Uh So we tried that. That didn't work. Um.

2233
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:46,320
Speaker 1: I went to a drainage called triple Nipple. Then went

2234
02:06:46,440 --> 02:06:51,120
Speaker 1: around finally and had all kinds of walking, all kinds

2235
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:54,520
Speaker 1: of weather problems. Our eighth the day, I think it

2236
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:58,480
Speaker 1: was our eighth day of hunting. Yeah, our eighth day

2237
02:06:58,520 --> 02:07:02,960
Speaker 1: of hunting. The weather got broke and got beautiful, and

2238
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 1: we happened to be in a valley where we could

2239
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 1: get up on a ridge. Got up on the ridge

2240
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:10,840
Speaker 1: and it was like the like the perfect the world's

2241
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:15,120
Speaker 1: most perfect ridge where you could look down into multiple

2242
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:17,600
Speaker 1: drainages if you kept going along this ridge, and it

2243
02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:20,480
Speaker 1: was like just like you expected to be, and everything's great.

2244
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:23,840
Speaker 1: We see a band of lambs across the valley. Far

2245
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:28,839
Speaker 1: away use or bandy Use later watched the grizzly stumble

2246
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:30,840
Speaker 1: into those us. I think he's just minding his own business,

2247
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: feeding on berries, but scared the ship out of those things.

2248
02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:37,840
Speaker 1: They left left the drainage in a single file running

2249
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,120
Speaker 1: line on that thing showed up. I look out and

2250
02:07:40,120 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 1: there's just like sheep running and I'm like, if they

2251
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:46,840
Speaker 1: winded us from two miles away, that's impressive, but it was. Yeah.

2252
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 1: Then I looked more carefully, and there's a grizzly feed

2253
02:07:49,360 --> 02:07:51,400
Speaker 1: on blueberries right in the little patch they'd been in.

2254
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:52,920
Speaker 1: So I think, I don't I don't know that I

2255
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:54,960
Speaker 1: didn't see what happened. Maybe he does. She's like, what

2256
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 1: the hell, I'm gonna run after him and see if

2257
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 1: anybody's injured. But I didn't see what happened. But they

2258
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:04,040
Speaker 1: were not happy with that situation and totally left like gone,

2259
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 1: um and then Danny sure enough like kind of like

2260
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:10,760
Speaker 1: I felt like, what happened when conditions are so good

2261
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:19,400
Speaker 1: is finds a ram clearly legal? What horn was? It

2262
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:24,600
Speaker 1: left a left horn that was curved in such a way.

2263
02:08:24,640 --> 02:08:30,120
Speaker 1: It was like that brand like no stressful, walk over there,

2264
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:34,360
Speaker 1: it's still be stressful. Yeah, it was a solid ram

2265
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:37,000
Speaker 1: as a really nice ram. Yeah. And he's perched up

2266
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 1: in a rock pile just like you described, man on

2267
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:44,840
Speaker 1: a sub bridge that divided a valley in center ridge

2268
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:48,880
Speaker 1: between at the confluence of two streams. That he's up, yeah,

2269
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,560
Speaker 1: posted up on that center ridge line and a little

2270
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,280
Speaker 1: and he knew what he was doing. Man, not far

2271
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:57,520
Speaker 1: off the bottom, not for off the bottom, tucked into

2272
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:00,520
Speaker 1: a little like it a little cubby that he had

2273
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,920
Speaker 1: there with a bunch of rock around him, hard to

2274
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:04,640
Speaker 1: spot from most of you kind of did what like

2275
02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:06,560
Speaker 1: white tails like to do. Man, I didn't went to

2276
02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 1: most of my life not knowing this, but Ken you

2277
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:12,920
Speaker 1: always talks about this too. Is like those like mature

2278
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:18,760
Speaker 1: bocks like to lay with something with a backdrop. They

2279
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:21,200
Speaker 1: like to lay where they can see out and where

2280
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 1: something can't see him. Good from behind to back up

2281
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:28,640
Speaker 1: into something. He's like, I can see this way. Usually

2282
02:09:28,640 --> 02:09:30,560
Speaker 1: if it's if there's a bit too we can cover

2283
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,640
Speaker 1: about to seventy and there's it rolls off on three

2284
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:36,760
Speaker 1: sides and they're behind him. There's a log or a

2285
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:40,600
Speaker 1: real thick, dense stand of You know, he wants to

2286
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 1: be obscured from where he can't he wants to be

2287
02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:45,560
Speaker 1: hidden from what he can't see, but then you know,

2288
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,040
Speaker 1: within clear view site for what he can't see, and

2289
02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:50,480
Speaker 1: that's that dude had it dialed and that little spot

2290
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: he had. Man, there was very difficult approach. Yeah, I

2291
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:58,480
Speaker 1: bet you a lot of rams and laid over it,

2292
02:09:58,600 --> 02:10:01,600
Speaker 1: laid there over a long and if you could somehow

2293
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:04,920
Speaker 1: kill off every rand that lived there and then repopulate it,

2294
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:08,080
Speaker 1: it would be like one's probably gonna find that. He's

2295
02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:10,040
Speaker 1: probably gonna be like, yeah, it's a sweet spot. Lay down,

2296
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:14,640
Speaker 1: hard to approach. Yeah, So we're on the ridge. What

2297
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 1: what was I don't I don't even know what our

2298
02:10:16,920 --> 02:10:20,720
Speaker 1: elevation was. We topped out it, we tapped out again

2299
02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:23,480
Speaker 1: that like it was fifty where we topped out and

2300
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. We did some up, we did some

2301
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:27,920
Speaker 1: down but somewhere around that mark, and he was maybe

2302
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:33,880
Speaker 1: six ft below us. Yeah, I think he's six feet

2303
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:36,520
Speaker 1: below us. A couple of drainages. Yeah, he was at

2304
02:10:36,560 --> 02:10:38,240
Speaker 1: forty you know what he was at forty five? He

2305
02:10:38,360 --> 02:10:43,720
Speaker 1: was at forty feet. But just no, there's no you

2306
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:47,920
Speaker 1: can't come from it was impossible to come from behind him. Um,

2307
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:52,320
Speaker 1: little been no way to come from behind him. So

2308
02:10:52,600 --> 02:11:00,560
Speaker 1: the first thing, he's ways away and we spot him. Yeah, mile, Well,

2309
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:06,800
Speaker 1: I say, a couple of thousand yards away. Um, And

2310
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:12,640
Speaker 1: we realized that. So Danny watches the Ram through a

2311
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:14,320
Speaker 1: spot because the first thing we gotta do is like,

2312
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:17,000
Speaker 1: we gotta move somewhere, because we had gotten where we

2313
02:11:17,080 --> 02:11:19,720
Speaker 1: were in the fog and sat in the fogged way

2314
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 1: for the fog to clear, and all of a sudden

2315
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:24,600
Speaker 1: it clears and there's a ram there. So we didn't

2316
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:26,880
Speaker 1: know if we could move because we've gotten where we

2317
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: got obscured by fog. And then the first thing is like,

2318
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 1: well can we even move from where we are without

2319
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:34,280
Speaker 1: him taking notice of us moving where we are? So

2320
02:11:34,440 --> 02:11:37,120
Speaker 1: Danny's watching him through the spot scope and I just

2321
02:11:37,200 --> 02:11:40,400
Speaker 1: start skirting down to the nearest goalie to get into

2322
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:44,120
Speaker 1: to go downhill out of sight, and I moved across

2323
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 1: the hillside, not even a hundred yards, but just moved.

2324
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:50,080
Speaker 1: And Danny watches him to see if he like takes

2325
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:52,360
Speaker 1: interest in what I'm doing, but he doesn't take any

2326
02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't he can't see us. Then one time I

2327
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 1: told you to stop is because if he was pointed

2328
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:01,800
Speaker 1: in our direction, like oriented toward us. And the one

2329
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:04,680
Speaker 1: time I told you to stop, it's because he stopped

2330
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:09,800
Speaker 1: chewing his cut. Oh ship, something's up, and he went

2331
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:12,000
Speaker 1: back to human. I'm like, okay, we're good. He repacked.

2332
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:18,240
Speaker 1: So we're getting this goalie that's gonna kind of like

2333
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:20,720
Speaker 1: deliver us down into his zone, knowing that there's still

2334
02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot to figure out. But the cliff

2335
02:12:23,200 --> 02:12:25,720
Speaker 1: face he's on. You can see these bands, these discolored

2336
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:28,680
Speaker 1: bands in the rock, and so you know he's like

2337
02:12:28,840 --> 02:12:31,360
Speaker 1: I just remember memorizing he's like blow the third band.

2338
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:33,880
Speaker 1: No matter where you go, you can find that the

2339
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:36,080
Speaker 1: cliff he's on and count the bands and kind of

2340
02:12:36,160 --> 02:12:39,480
Speaker 1: know like his little zone and start trying to go down.

2341
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:44,400
Speaker 1: This goalie's very treacherous, scary in places there's a lot

2342
02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: of player You spent a lot of time hunting dollar

2343
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:52,480
Speaker 1: sheet in places where um, if he fell, Like let's say,

2344
02:12:52,520 --> 02:12:54,080
Speaker 1: if you like, if you're not gonna like people don't

2345
02:12:54,080 --> 02:12:56,560
Speaker 1: just fall all of a sudden, but like if you

2346
02:12:56,720 --> 02:13:00,200
Speaker 1: fell in some sort of you would die if you

2347
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:05,360
Speaker 1: felt but it was not like some places you die

2348
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:07,080
Speaker 1: if you fell and you could really pick youre falling.

2349
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:09,320
Speaker 1: A lot of places you realize, Man, if you fell,

2350
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 1: you die, But why would I fall? It's usually that one.

2351
02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:16,400
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, if but like, how would you like

2352
02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:21,360
Speaker 1: people don't just fall over a fall over rolling down hill.

2353
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:24,200
Speaker 1: It's usually like different where you sort of slip. Yeah,

2354
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:26,080
Speaker 1: you kind of slip and cling down, But if you

2355
02:13:26,200 --> 02:13:29,680
Speaker 1: got rolling, there's no end of the role. I had

2356
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:30,840
Speaker 1: it in the back of my mind when we were

2357
02:13:30,880 --> 02:13:33,400
Speaker 1: sidehilling and all that stuff, that like if for some

2358
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:36,360
Speaker 1: reason with like the pack or whatever, if I just

2359
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:40,200
Speaker 1: tipped the wrong way and you didn't fall into the hill,

2360
02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 1: you fell, man, Yeah, that was the only time. Like

2361
02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:47,280
Speaker 1: if I slipped and like tripped and then you end

2362
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:50,080
Speaker 1: up falling the bad way, that's when that's when you're

2363
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:51,360
Speaker 1: not having a good time. And that's the thing I

2364
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:53,480
Speaker 1: was telling myself, when you do when it does occur

2365
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:54,840
Speaker 1: to you. It's hard to get out of your head.

2366
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:57,200
Speaker 1: But I think, like, but all the times I spent

2367
02:13:57,320 --> 02:14:01,120
Speaker 1: walking where that's not true. I've never were falling that way. Yeah,

2368
02:14:01,200 --> 02:14:06,520
Speaker 1: I've never fallen away from the hill. It only takes once. Yeah,

2369
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:09,320
Speaker 1: you fall into the hill when you fall. Yeah. Yeah.

2370
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:11,520
Speaker 1: I think your natural inclination too, is to just air

2371
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 1: in that direction so much with your center of gravity

2372
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,720
Speaker 1: that you lean into it. Yeah. I was trying to

2373
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:18,880
Speaker 1: figure out also, like how I was going to self

2374
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 1: arrest with the camera if I did start sliding. I

2375
02:14:22,200 --> 02:14:24,800
Speaker 1: was just gonna be like, Bam, don't do that to

2376
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:28,240
Speaker 1: our gear. I would expect that you set it. You'd

2377
02:14:28,280 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 1: find a place on the way down to set it

2378
02:14:30,200 --> 02:14:32,600
Speaker 1: above a rock or something, and then you just go

2379
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:37,120
Speaker 1: unlook your cord and just go. You know, Steve and

2380
02:14:37,160 --> 02:14:40,800
Speaker 1: I were Steve and I were crossing. Uh uh you see, guy,

2381
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:44,880
Speaker 1: was that shoot or an avalanche had ripped through right

2382
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:47,440
Speaker 1: and it all went down to the bottom watching avalanches

2383
02:14:47,480 --> 02:14:49,360
Speaker 1: all that day was that wet snow. We're mountain go

2384
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 1: hand was wet snow laying out wet grass, and I

2385
02:14:52,680 --> 02:14:56,000
Speaker 1: had and Steve was below me. He had crossed that

2386
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:00,560
Speaker 1: snowy shoot and headed down and I was above him crossing,

2387
02:15:00,720 --> 02:15:02,640
Speaker 1: and I slipped and I was going down, but I

2388
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:06,640
Speaker 1: had ice axe and it was fumbling loose behind me,

2389
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:08,920
Speaker 1: and I got the ice axe in both hands, and

2390
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 1: I was just starting to dig that thing into the

2391
02:15:11,400 --> 02:15:13,360
Speaker 1: snow like it was a pretty clear slope that I

2392
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:15,120
Speaker 1: wasn't about to go off cliff or anything. I was

2393
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:18,120
Speaker 1: just gonna go for a long ride. And oh there's

2394
02:15:18,160 --> 02:15:20,120
Speaker 1: one rollover that I couldn't see what was in there,

2395
02:15:20,440 --> 02:15:23,240
Speaker 1: but then it was clear again below that, and I've

2396
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:26,720
Speaker 1: got my you swept by me. I kind of tried

2397
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:29,080
Speaker 1: to grab Here's what happened, though. I don't know if

2398
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:30,320
Speaker 1: I told you this at the time or not, but

2399
02:15:30,600 --> 02:15:32,840
Speaker 1: I had my ice axe in both hands. I was

2400
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 1: just starting to press that thing into the snow. And

2401
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:39,680
Speaker 1: I see Steve running out and his ice axes dangled

2402
02:15:39,720 --> 02:15:43,560
Speaker 1: from his wrist and and all I can see is

2403
02:15:43,600 --> 02:15:48,040
Speaker 1: that ice acs like going into my face. I had

2404
02:15:48,080 --> 02:15:52,760
Speaker 1: to drop my ice axe to deflect your ice axe,

2405
02:15:54,480 --> 02:15:57,400
Speaker 1: and I totally lost my self arrest and rowed down

2406
02:15:57,480 --> 02:16:00,680
Speaker 1: for another I don't know what you got hurt. I

2407
02:16:00,760 --> 02:16:02,560
Speaker 1: got banged up, Yeah, I mean, it could have been

2408
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:04,480
Speaker 1: a lot worse. But I got banged up. You could

2409
02:16:04,520 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 1: have died there. I'm saying, like that sort of sort

2410
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:11,120
Speaker 1: of thing, if that's sort of thing where all of

2411
02:16:11,120 --> 02:16:15,400
Speaker 1: a sudden you're just going, yeah, yeah, that's certain that

2412
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:18,560
Speaker 1: that circumstance was a relatively benign you know, it was

2413
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:20,600
Speaker 1: a scary ride down the mountain. But if yeah, that

2414
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:23,520
Speaker 1: was over a cliff or into a rock face, I

2415
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:25,360
Speaker 1: mean it could have been. That's what I meant. I

2416
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:29,800
Speaker 1: could have died like that kind of fall where you

2417
02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:32,800
Speaker 1: know there's an abyss below you. I had. I was

2418
02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:38,560
Speaker 1: totally real interesting example of risk management. And like, you know,

2419
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:41,080
Speaker 1: we're all in the mountains a lot, so we can

2420
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:44,320
Speaker 1: do that, like I said, safely and outside of like

2421
02:16:44,440 --> 02:16:49,600
Speaker 1: some freak, you know, weird fall, you're gonna be fine.

2422
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:52,560
Speaker 1: And I was talking to this YOSAR guy Yosemity Search

2423
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:56,120
Speaker 1: and Rescue about big wall climbing and people are always like,

2424
02:16:56,200 --> 02:16:58,360
Speaker 1: how can you do that? It's so dangerous and you know,

2425
02:16:58,400 --> 02:17:00,800
Speaker 1: how do you're not dying? He's like, well, if if

2426
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:05,080
Speaker 1: you're good at do well, yeah they do, they all die. Well.

2427
02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:06,840
Speaker 1: His point that it was like he's like, if you're

2428
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, you you're comfortable in your environment. Then it's

2429
02:17:12,400 --> 02:17:14,320
Speaker 1: it's an example of like I tell him, if you're

2430
02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:17,320
Speaker 1: walking down the sidewalk and you fall into traffic, you're

2431
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:20,000
Speaker 1: gonna die, but you just don't fall into traffic. Yeah,

2432
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:22,320
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, when you're walk into

2433
02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:27,360
Speaker 1: the man if I fell in, Well, dude, every time

2434
02:17:27,360 --> 02:17:28,840
Speaker 1: you drive on a two lane road with like a

2435
02:17:28,920 --> 02:17:32,960
Speaker 1: fifty five speed limit, you're passing another car within five

2436
02:17:33,000 --> 02:17:40,200
Speaker 1: feet of death a velocity of so you don't focus

2437
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:43,680
Speaker 1: on you like, jeez, if I some in traffic to

2438
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:47,000
Speaker 1: be dead, I do think that all time. Yeah, no,

2439
02:17:47,320 --> 02:17:49,400
Speaker 1: and then you do have this kind of thing I think. Yeah,

2440
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:51,520
Speaker 1: I watched my kid, one of my kids recently sort

2441
02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:54,000
Speaker 1: of have the idea of the cooperation it requires for

2442
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:58,200
Speaker 1: highway driving. He was like asking questions about you know

2443
02:17:58,280 --> 02:18:00,200
Speaker 1: that everyone needs to be on the same page out

2444
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:05,480
Speaker 1: here driving, but we need to be abiding by the

2445
02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:10,240
Speaker 1: same rules and we all want to be alive self preservation.

2446
02:18:10,879 --> 02:18:13,920
Speaker 1: But all that said, man, there is like now and

2447
02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:16,600
Speaker 1: then there are some moments what we a boarded a hillside,

2448
02:18:17,720 --> 02:18:23,040
Speaker 1: we didn't do a hillside because the gap below you

2449
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:25,640
Speaker 1: was there was like a high consequence. It be like

2450
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:28,320
Speaker 1: you it's not like, oh, you're gonna get banged up.

2451
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,720
Speaker 1: It's like you're done. Yeah, if you go, there's no

2452
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:34,400
Speaker 1: way to stop. And then there's a then there's a canyon.

2453
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:37,520
Speaker 1: And it was wet, raining and the hillside was coming

2454
02:18:37,520 --> 02:18:45,320
Speaker 1: apart and were and we were cold and tired and

2455
02:18:45,400 --> 02:18:47,640
Speaker 1: around here like these are new mountains, man, they're like

2456
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:53,520
Speaker 1: very new sharp mountains and they're just falling apart. Uh.

2457
02:18:53,560 --> 02:18:57,320
Speaker 1: There's a term in geology, angle of repose. It's like

2458
02:18:57,400 --> 02:19:00,960
Speaker 1: when a hill relaxes mm hmm, like everything on the hill,

2459
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:03,440
Speaker 1: like the hills achieved an angle that everything on the

2460
02:19:03,480 --> 02:19:06,480
Speaker 1: hill is going to kind of stay where these hills

2461
02:19:06,480 --> 02:19:09,800
Speaker 1: are not at their angle of repose. No, to demonstrate

2462
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:12,600
Speaker 1: that farther, when we were coming back the next day

2463
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:17,320
Speaker 1: on the easy slope side, looking across, you could see

2464
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:22,240
Speaker 1: where boulders rocks you know, who knows what kind of size.

2465
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:24,680
Speaker 1: We didn't see the boulders themselves, but where they had

2466
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 1: fallen off the mountain. They'd be on shale and screen

2467
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:29,760
Speaker 1: for a while and then they would hit where there

2468
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 1: was actually grass gripping, and it looked like, um, I

2469
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:37,040
Speaker 1: guess it would look like a golf DVD, you know,

2470
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:39,280
Speaker 1: with someone kind of shanks and you get like a

2471
02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:43,400
Speaker 1: two to three term. Yeah, shank, it's not I guess

2472
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:45,120
Speaker 1: it's not a what is it? When you make it? Did?

2473
02:19:45,240 --> 02:19:48,520
Speaker 1: What do you do wrong? You just dig into but

2474
02:19:48,560 --> 02:19:52,400
Speaker 1: you basically make like a big scar in the turf.

2475
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:56,200
Speaker 1: It's a great example. And it was like hundreds of

2476
02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:59,360
Speaker 1: yards of this going down the mountains, so there's so

2477
02:19:59,440 --> 02:20:02,520
Speaker 1: much lo sitting speed and mass because it's just so

2478
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:06,199
Speaker 1: steep and moving that is just ripping these giant divots

2479
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:12,560
Speaker 1: as it's moving down the hill and skipping some big sections. Yea. Yeah.

2480
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:16,800
Speaker 1: We saw several places where they were very fresh landslide,

2481
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:18,760
Speaker 1: some of them big enough that there was like a

2482
02:20:18,879 --> 02:20:23,480
Speaker 1: whole new like side drainage that had just released and

2483
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:26,320
Speaker 1: and all that settlement went down to the valley floor

2484
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:29,160
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, there's like a new valley,

2485
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, catastrophically formed. I asked about that lake we saw.

2486
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:35,640
Speaker 1: There was a lake on a very peculiar lake in

2487
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:37,920
Speaker 1: a very peculiar place in the bottom of these drainages,

2488
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:39,800
Speaker 1: and you can see where the whole hillside gave away,

2489
02:20:40,520 --> 02:20:42,560
Speaker 1: came down and formed a lake. And I was asking

2490
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:45,000
Speaker 1: the pilot and he said, sometimes within the last third years.

2491
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:48,000
Speaker 1: Because of the last few years. Yeah, the a landslide

2492
02:20:48,040 --> 02:20:50,280
Speaker 1: had just slept all the way to the valley floor

2493
02:20:50,360 --> 02:20:53,080
Speaker 1: and damned up the creek and uh yeah, and then

2494
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:55,400
Speaker 1: there's a obviously a brand new lake there, not a

2495
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:58,880
Speaker 1: lick of vegetation. Yeah, brand new. Yeah. Yeah. And the

2496
02:20:58,959 --> 02:21:00,920
Speaker 1: landslide was a different color. You know, all the other

2497
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:03,800
Speaker 1: all the other rock around there had kind of a

2498
02:21:03,879 --> 02:21:06,400
Speaker 1: rusty orange color to it, and that new slide was gray.

2499
02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:09,480
Speaker 1: And I assume the ones that oxydizes turn to that

2500
02:21:09,560 --> 02:21:13,800
Speaker 1: same orange color. It gets a patina, sure, yeah, it

2501
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 1: gets pat neated. Um start on this goalie like trying

2502
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:20,720
Speaker 1: to get in the ram zone not like clear kind

2503
02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:25,760
Speaker 1: of like obvious what the what the possible shooting perchase

2504
02:21:25,879 --> 02:21:30,240
Speaker 1: might be. But because you can't it the ram was

2505
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:32,440
Speaker 1: too far to hit him with a range finder, and

2506
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:37,600
Speaker 1: so you couldn't get you couldn't measure other points. Yeah,

2507
02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:39,720
Speaker 1: because if you're looking at like let's say you're sitting

2508
02:21:39,720 --> 02:21:42,200
Speaker 1: there and you're looking at you're looking directly at something

2509
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:45,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to sneak up on, and you're like and

2510
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:47,560
Speaker 1: then before you see like a little rise or like

2511
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:49,240
Speaker 1: a little ridge, and you're like, man, I wonder if

2512
02:21:49,240 --> 02:21:52,680
Speaker 1: I could shoot from that ridge and you range find

2513
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:54,600
Speaker 1: the object you're trying to get to, damn, and you're like,

2514
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,520
Speaker 1: okay that you know it's eleven yards away. And then

2515
02:21:57,560 --> 02:22:01,280
Speaker 1: you range the hill or little knob or something your

2516
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:03,920
Speaker 1: side of it, and you hit that thing and that

2517
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:06,680
Speaker 1: thing is yards away. You're like, money, when I get

2518
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:09,640
Speaker 1: to that spot, I'm in range. I can make my shop.

2519
02:22:10,959 --> 02:22:14,240
Speaker 1: But you couldn't hit the ram with a range finder.

2520
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:17,680
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions about what needs to happen.

2521
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:19,640
Speaker 1: And I was even saying, like this ram like I'm

2522
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:22,120
Speaker 1: definitely not getting the old gut knife out and getting

2523
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:24,800
Speaker 1: it ready yet. But we start down this this we

2524
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:30,000
Speaker 1: start down this shoot. It's really steep and you're kind

2525
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:31,600
Speaker 1: of like on this open screen side. But there's these

2526
02:22:31,720 --> 02:22:34,080
Speaker 1: rock bands, these a little like many Chinese walls that

2527
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:37,600
Speaker 1: are crossing, and every one of those is a cliff

2528
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:40,680
Speaker 1: and you kind of pick your way around one like

2529
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:43,240
Speaker 1: dropping the next drainage you go down, it's another cliff,

2530
02:22:43,240 --> 02:22:44,800
Speaker 1: and then it's then as you go down it picks

2531
02:22:44,840 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 1: up where it's got a lot of flow. There's a

2532
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,080
Speaker 1: lot of water coming out everywhere, and so then it's

2533
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:53,360
Speaker 1: like these waterfalls. It just it just becomes like it

2534
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:57,400
Speaker 1: just became hard to picture it working out. And eventually

2535
02:22:57,440 --> 02:22:59,920
Speaker 1: we get to one spot where you can kind of

2536
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:01,840
Speaker 1: get up and look at the ram and he's over

2537
02:23:01,959 --> 02:23:05,760
Speaker 1: six hund yards away, bedded down. It took us almost

2538
02:23:05,800 --> 02:23:09,400
Speaker 1: three hours to make it to that spot. Three hours

2539
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:11,800
Speaker 1: to drop down. That did not feel like that long.

2540
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:14,240
Speaker 1: It felt like an eternity. I thought, man, dude, I

2541
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:17,520
Speaker 1: thought it was like I couldn't believe he's still laying there. Yeah,

2542
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 1: because I was watching those using lambs and they're up

2543
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:22,640
Speaker 1: feeding away. They were bedded when we found them, but

2544
02:23:22,680 --> 02:23:24,560
Speaker 1: eventually they're up feeding him. Like he's probably up feeding

2545
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:28,400
Speaker 1: by now because they're upfeeding. But three hours later there

2546
02:23:28,440 --> 02:23:31,280
Speaker 1: he is still hanging out. And the wind had been

2547
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:34,600
Speaker 1: like in the gully bottoms, the wind had been going

2548
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:39,160
Speaker 1: up the slope, and we pop up on this little

2549
02:23:39,240 --> 02:23:41,560
Speaker 1: subridge where you're looking across, and we just go out there.

2550
02:23:41,560 --> 02:23:43,440
Speaker 1: We're up there long enough to even like really get

2551
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:45,800
Speaker 1: serious about making playing that some bit stands up, which

2552
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:48,440
Speaker 1: is never a good sign. Yeah, and I think he

2553
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:50,360
Speaker 1: winded us at six hundred yards. He never looked in

2554
02:23:50,440 --> 02:23:52,600
Speaker 1: our direction. Yeah, at that moment, the wind was going.

2555
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:54,360
Speaker 1: You know, we're sort of in the straight in the

2556
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:56,600
Speaker 1: wind of the main valley at that point, and that

2557
02:23:56,760 --> 02:24:00,400
Speaker 1: was going, that's a good point the gully. Yeah, there's

2558
02:24:00,400 --> 02:24:03,480
Speaker 1: a little sub winds going up the gullies, but the

2559
02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:06,959
Speaker 1: main valley also has its wind direction. And you pop

2560
02:24:07,080 --> 02:24:09,360
Speaker 1: up on the ridge out of the gully and I'm like,

2561
02:24:09,480 --> 02:24:11,120
Speaker 1: and you hit. I feel that wind the back of

2562
02:24:11,160 --> 02:24:13,080
Speaker 1: my neck wheel so far away. I didn't think it mattered.

2563
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,440
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden never looked at us. Somebody

2564
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:17,240
Speaker 1: stood up and there's a look to him like they

2565
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:21,120
Speaker 1: don't do anything fast. They don't do anything. Everything they

2566
02:24:21,160 --> 02:24:24,880
Speaker 1: do is leisurely and deliberate. And he got up, and

2567
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:27,760
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm out of here, bro, I'm gonna

2568
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:32,600
Speaker 1: get out here very slowly. Yeah, I'm not gonna go

2569
02:24:32,680 --> 02:24:35,560
Speaker 1: breaking my leg, but I'm getting out of here. And

2570
02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:38,039
Speaker 1: he got out of there. I don't think it helped

2571
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:42,080
Speaker 1: that you had six no, six dudes who haven't showered

2572
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:46,560
Speaker 1: for nine days, six hundred yards out, six hundred yards

2573
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,039
Speaker 1: up wind. No, it's like a it's the thing. Man,

2574
02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:53,040
Speaker 1: it's like, uh, it's the camera crew effect, you know,

2575
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:54,840
Speaker 1: and you can never measure it. I mean sometimes you

2576
02:24:54,879 --> 02:24:57,280
Speaker 1: can measure it, like sometimes you see something happen where

2577
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:00,240
Speaker 1: you like, I'll be like, I'm facing forward and something

2578
02:25:00,360 --> 02:25:02,400
Speaker 1: happens where I know I wasn't the one that did it.

2579
02:25:03,080 --> 02:25:05,320
Speaker 1: We're all a sudden gets something, gets really interested in

2580
02:25:05,360 --> 02:25:07,680
Speaker 1: what's going on in our area. And now, my dude,

2581
02:25:07,720 --> 02:25:11,400
Speaker 1: I've been sitting here, man, I haven't moved a moving.

2582
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:20,080
Speaker 1: That's when you get to, yeah, you're damn it, someone moved. Um.

2583
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:24,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like a kid that did something wrong.

2584
02:25:24,920 --> 02:25:26,560
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that makes me mad. Man. And

2585
02:25:26,600 --> 02:25:30,879
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done like clinics and workshops and everything.

2586
02:25:31,240 --> 02:25:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be like, here's how to approach game.

2587
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:38,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because even Triple Nipple, we're growing up

2588
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:41,920
Speaker 1: a little box canyon and we get through the last

2589
02:25:42,040 --> 02:25:44,680
Speaker 1: box canyon and all of a sudden, the whole Triple

2590
02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:48,640
Speaker 1: Nipple Valley and your sons of bitches run out. You guys,

2591
02:25:48,680 --> 02:25:50,879
Speaker 1: like run out like a couple like opening the door

2592
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:54,440
Speaker 1: for a couple of dogs in the morning. You guys

2593
02:25:54,600 --> 02:25:56,800
Speaker 1: run out of that Box Canyon. I'm like, what are

2594
02:25:56,800 --> 02:26:00,320
Speaker 1: you doing? The whole point was this moment. This is

2595
02:26:00,480 --> 02:26:05,040
Speaker 1: why we've come up here, was to get here. And look,

2596
02:26:06,200 --> 02:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I think it's like what is going on? That goes

2597
02:26:08,920 --> 02:26:11,440
Speaker 1: back to your argument of like turning a hunter. Is

2598
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:13,440
Speaker 1: it better to turn a hunter into a cameraman or

2599
02:26:13,480 --> 02:26:16,360
Speaker 1: a cameraman into a hunter, you know, because like in

2600
02:26:16,480 --> 02:26:18,240
Speaker 1: that moment, I was like, Oh, this is this cool

2601
02:26:18,360 --> 02:26:20,120
Speaker 1: thing and like this cool feature, and like it'll be

2602
02:26:20,200 --> 02:26:22,240
Speaker 1: a super cool shot if I'm out here and get

2603
02:26:22,320 --> 02:26:25,640
Speaker 1: the dudes coming around. But in your mind, both of

2604
02:26:25,720 --> 02:26:29,360
Speaker 1: your minds, you're like, this is our like secret zone

2605
02:26:29,400 --> 02:26:32,560
Speaker 1: to sculpe this whole thing out. Nobody moved, you know,

2606
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:35,440
Speaker 1: So like the mindset is just you just gotta make

2607
02:26:35,480 --> 02:26:37,800
Speaker 1: that switch. Yeah, we're peering out from this little gate

2608
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:41,000
Speaker 1: where we're hidden and tucked away, and it's like if

2609
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:43,200
Speaker 1: there's something here at this point, it would not know

2610
02:26:43,400 --> 02:26:46,560
Speaker 1: that we're here. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm thinking, like, oh, that's

2611
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:51,560
Speaker 1: a cool wide. I was just reading an article. I

2612
02:26:51,640 --> 02:26:57,119
Speaker 1: was reading along article about when these uh white supremacist

2613
02:26:57,160 --> 02:27:02,720
Speaker 1: dudes were going to give a lecture at Berkeley, Like

2614
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:04,920
Speaker 1: they've been invited by some student club to give a

2615
02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, one of their white supremacis Yeah, there's an

2616
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:13,760
Speaker 1: article about how Berkeley was handling this, what they're gonna do,

2617
02:27:13,959 --> 02:27:17,760
Speaker 1: and um, one of the people who's in charge of

2618
02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:19,800
Speaker 1: one of the people that one of the administrators at

2619
02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:22,360
Speaker 1: the university is discussing this sort of dilemma. And she

2620
02:27:22,480 --> 02:27:25,640
Speaker 1: realized that the way that these people manipulate the lead

2621
02:27:25,720 --> 02:27:28,960
Speaker 1: up to the event and turn it into like a

2622
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:33,320
Speaker 1: news event in a social media event, like all the

2623
02:27:33,480 --> 02:27:36,160
Speaker 1: lead up and it becomes more about the response. And

2624
02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:38,640
Speaker 1: she was saying, like, this person is saying that. The

2625
02:27:38,760 --> 02:27:42,000
Speaker 1: metaphor I'm starting to see is like I traditionally viewed

2626
02:27:42,280 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 1: a lecture and the digital recording of the lecture as

2627
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:52,080
Speaker 1: being an object in its shadow m And I thought

2628
02:27:52,200 --> 02:27:54,000
Speaker 1: that this person is gonna come give a lecture, and

2629
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:56,080
Speaker 1: the lecture that they're going to give is the object,

2630
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:58,680
Speaker 1: and then out of this will come a recording that

2631
02:27:58,760 --> 02:28:02,040
Speaker 1: people consume, and that's the shadow of the object. What

2632
02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:03,720
Speaker 1: you said, what I've come to see when dealing with

2633
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:11,959
Speaker 1: these people is the object is the digital the digital

2634
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:15,560
Speaker 1: portion that's the object. The actual thing is just a

2635
02:28:15,640 --> 02:28:18,520
Speaker 1: shadow of it. And I was reading out there day

2636
02:28:18,520 --> 02:28:21,600
Speaker 1: at the airstrip, and it occurred to me, like there's

2637
02:28:21,640 --> 02:28:25,279
Speaker 1: this thing in recording hunting and making like a hunting

2638
02:28:25,320 --> 02:28:30,040
Speaker 1: show is is you like, in a perfect world, you

2639
02:28:30,120 --> 02:28:33,720
Speaker 1: imagine that the hunt is the object, okay, and the

2640
02:28:33,840 --> 02:28:36,920
Speaker 1: thing that we create is its shadow. But in a

2641
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:38,440
Speaker 1: lot of ways, just out of the reality of it,

2642
02:28:38,520 --> 02:28:42,800
Speaker 1: becomes that the thing we're creating is the object, right,

2643
02:28:44,280 --> 02:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Like there were times when we were we had we

2644
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:50,040
Speaker 1: sat still because there's no way that the cameras could

2645
02:28:50,560 --> 02:28:53,760
Speaker 1: withstand that monterrange, so like there's no sense of going,

2646
02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:55,440
Speaker 1: so we can't feel in that way, and so you're

2647
02:28:55,440 --> 02:28:58,160
Speaker 1: in this struggle where also the thing we're creating, the

2648
02:28:58,240 --> 02:29:00,960
Speaker 1: digital impression we're creating, becomes the objects and the hunt

2649
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:04,600
Speaker 1: itself becomes its shadow. And you're always pushing and pulling

2650
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:06,960
Speaker 1: on those two ideas, you know, So what is the

2651
02:29:07,000 --> 02:29:09,320
Speaker 1: object and what's the right It was like it was

2652
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:11,160
Speaker 1: a good thing to read at the right moment. It

2653
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:13,440
Speaker 1: was a good expression. That's a good metaphor for that's

2654
02:29:13,480 --> 02:29:15,280
Speaker 1: a good way to put it, for sure, and for

2655
02:29:15,360 --> 02:29:18,720
Speaker 1: the greater good. I think the object being the story

2656
02:29:19,320 --> 02:29:24,600
Speaker 1: digital digitally does does more for people than a successful

2657
02:29:24,680 --> 02:29:28,840
Speaker 1: hunt for you without the story. So that's why you

2658
02:29:28,879 --> 02:29:31,200
Speaker 1: make that call. But you're right, and it's it's like

2659
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:33,240
Speaker 1: there's no end to it. It's an it's like this

2660
02:29:33,400 --> 02:29:36,120
Speaker 1: wrestling match that constantly occurs in your head. Yeah, And

2661
02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:38,720
Speaker 1: when I get pissy and frustrated in my head, I

2662
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:42,720
Speaker 1: often think to like that the doing of this enables

2663
02:29:42,879 --> 02:29:48,920
Speaker 1: so much of the mean. But it's it's a it's

2664
02:29:48,959 --> 02:29:51,720
Speaker 1: a tricky thing that and I'm sure that anyone that turns,

2665
02:29:52,120 --> 02:29:57,200
Speaker 1: anyone that turns a passion into an occupation, And it's

2666
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:00,480
Speaker 1: a situation you guys are in in as can because

2667
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:03,640
Speaker 1: here you are. It's like when you come out with us,

2668
02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:06,840
Speaker 1: you're working. You work eighteen hour days, you work twenty

2669
02:30:06,879 --> 02:30:11,440
Speaker 1: four hour days. Yeah, there's no escaping it. Just sleeping

2670
02:30:11,480 --> 02:30:13,440
Speaker 1: in a tent in the mud. Even sleeping is a

2671
02:30:13,440 --> 02:30:17,200
Speaker 1: little work. You're burning calorie sleeping. It's hard when you

2672
02:30:17,320 --> 02:30:20,200
Speaker 1: gotta go like dig out, when you got to dig

2673
02:30:20,320 --> 02:30:23,560
Speaker 1: out the place to sleep. But when your passion is

2674
02:30:23,959 --> 02:30:26,440
Speaker 1: is doing that, yeah, that it makes it easy. That's

2675
02:30:26,440 --> 02:30:27,760
Speaker 1: what I mean. But you're like, it's am I at

2676
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:33,920
Speaker 1: work or not at work? Working eight days ship one

2677
02:30:34,040 --> 02:30:37,240
Speaker 1: big long me and my younger brother, who's a photographer

2678
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:40,080
Speaker 1: as well, went to our older brother who's a carpenter's

2679
02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:43,360
Speaker 1: house and was helping to move some dirt, and you know,

2680
02:30:43,480 --> 02:30:45,720
Speaker 1: like just manual labor. And we both looked at each

2681
02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:47,520
Speaker 1: other like, Damn, We're glad we do what we do.

2682
02:30:48,920 --> 02:30:52,480
Speaker 1: We're not out here doing a grind. You know, this

2683
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:55,240
Speaker 1: is hard, and I've done those grinds too. That's why

2684
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:57,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate what I do now so much. I remember

2685
02:30:57,560 --> 02:31:00,560
Speaker 1: in high school I worked for this late high school,

2686
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:04,360
Speaker 1: I worked for this industrial painting outfit called Quality main

2687
02:31:04,520 --> 02:31:07,599
Speaker 1: Well two of them Pennington Brothers and Quality Maintenance contractors.

2688
02:31:07,640 --> 02:31:11,480
Speaker 1: And one time we were, um, I mean, this dude

2689
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:14,800
Speaker 1: from high school, Craig Camp, had to like de grease

2690
02:31:14,920 --> 02:31:18,800
Speaker 1: all the like roof trusses in the auto parts manufacturing

2691
02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:21,560
Speaker 1: place so they could come in and paint them. I

2692
02:31:21,640 --> 02:31:23,720
Speaker 1: remember being up there and we were on these like

2693
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:26,119
Speaker 1: scissor lifts, you know. I remember being up like working

2694
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:29,439
Speaker 1: with the just this endless pile of rags and degrease.

2695
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:30,920
Speaker 1: They're trying to get the stuff so it could be

2696
02:31:30,959 --> 02:31:33,840
Speaker 1: cold with paint. And when we showed up, like the

2697
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:37,200
Speaker 1: first shift dudes were there. I me and Craig were

2698
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:38,640
Speaker 1: out there. It was like such a tight deadline that

2699
02:31:38,680 --> 02:31:40,200
Speaker 1: were up there, and I'm still in high school. Man,

2700
02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:43,840
Speaker 1: It's like a weekend thing organic chemical degrease or press. Eventually,

2701
02:31:44,360 --> 02:31:48,000
Speaker 1: those sons of bitches were back again. The first shift

2702
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:50,840
Speaker 1: guys were back, like I recognized that guy from me,

2703
02:31:50,879 --> 02:31:53,840
Speaker 1: and Craig started, that's how long we've been up there

2704
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:56,280
Speaker 1: de greasing these things? And I'm like, the whole damn

2705
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:59,560
Speaker 1: shift came through. And then one probably said to Craig like,

2706
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna make it through. As if crazy Train comes back

2707
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:05,000
Speaker 1: on the radio. I started playing like a radio and

2708
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:09,440
Speaker 1: like crazy like it wasn't even a new song. We're

2709
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:11,800
Speaker 1: there so long degrease and ship that crazy Train got

2710
02:32:11,840 --> 02:32:15,440
Speaker 1: played twice. So I was like, man, I don't know.

2711
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I don't know about shift work. I don't know if

2712
02:32:20,360 --> 02:32:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna making this occupation. That's that what was Edd's quote,

2713
02:32:24,480 --> 02:32:28,520
Speaker 1: that's that fire that forms us, forged by fire. We

2714
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:31,760
Speaker 1: had another job. Danny worked this job, remember having a

2715
02:32:31,879 --> 02:32:35,400
Speaker 1: handship paint off a rail around a sewage treatment tank

2716
02:32:36,120 --> 02:32:38,520
Speaker 1: because they couldn't get You couldn't sand blasts or soda

2717
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:40,640
Speaker 1: blasts because they couldn't have the sand or bacon soda

2718
02:32:40,680 --> 02:32:42,960
Speaker 1: getting into the sewage because mess up the sewage treatment.

2719
02:32:43,240 --> 02:32:45,320
Speaker 1: So you had to read up this little plastic tarp

2720
02:32:45,320 --> 02:32:48,880
Speaker 1: from bang out with a ball peen hammer. God dude,

2721
02:32:48,959 --> 02:32:50,480
Speaker 1: this is a huge tank and it was the three

2722
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:53,480
Speaker 1: It was a three wrong guard rail around up vertical supports.

2723
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:56,240
Speaker 1: We had to bing off every square inch of that paint. Man,

2724
02:32:56,280 --> 02:32:58,640
Speaker 1: we'd come back. We can after we can. And you

2725
02:32:58,640 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 1: guys like let them play crazy train on the Latin

2726
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:05,280
Speaker 1: just tinking it off with hammers. That's so hard to

2727
02:33:05,879 --> 02:33:07,400
Speaker 1: that's so hard to the adend of the medal, but

2728
02:33:07,480 --> 02:33:09,760
Speaker 1: just hard enough to knock, just hard enough to knock

2729
02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:14,480
Speaker 1: off a chip of paint by half size your pinky nails. Yeah.

2730
02:33:14,520 --> 02:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Then when you're up there like your biggest problem is

2731
02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:18,840
Speaker 1: your camera, guys keep busting out into the open. You're like,

2732
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:25,920
Speaker 1: I can live with it. I can live with this. Yeah, Man,

2733
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:30,400
Speaker 1: that's all I gotta say about that sheep hunt. He

2734
02:33:30,480 --> 02:33:34,920
Speaker 1: got away, he got away, he's still out there. He's lucky.

2735
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:37,880
Speaker 1: He'll be getting bigger. He's gonna be a real nice

2736
02:33:37,959 --> 02:33:40,840
Speaker 1: one like Doug during Nice Buck next year, Nice Ram

2737
02:33:40,959 --> 02:33:45,240
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, maybe maybe a dead ram before before

2738
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:47,120
Speaker 1: the end of winter. Yeah, they don't get old. Yeah.

2739
02:33:47,360 --> 02:33:50,360
Speaker 1: We found uh, yeah, we found it. We found a

2740
02:33:50,480 --> 02:33:54,520
Speaker 1: ram skull, a winter kill, presumably right right by camp.

2741
02:33:54,680 --> 02:33:56,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, when they get that age, they don't last

2742
02:33:56,760 --> 02:34:00,440
Speaker 1: a real long time, even in an unhunted population. Um,

2743
02:34:01,760 --> 02:34:05,760
Speaker 1: they just drop off like flies after ten. Yeah. Yeah,

2744
02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:07,960
Speaker 1: I think part of it, right, is that is that

2745
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:11,760
Speaker 1: they're just not They work so hard during the rut, right,

2746
02:34:12,280 --> 02:34:14,480
Speaker 1: and they're not putting weight on, and they go from

2747
02:34:14,520 --> 02:34:17,080
Speaker 1: top of the heat to dead. They get up where

2748
02:34:17,080 --> 02:34:20,000
Speaker 1: they're the man and they rut in November and expend

2749
02:34:20,040 --> 02:34:23,200
Speaker 1: it's a tremendous, tremendous amount of injury and expose themselves

2750
02:34:23,280 --> 02:34:26,440
Speaker 1: to a lot of risk. Yeah, and they go into

2751
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:28,440
Speaker 1: and then they go into the and they go into

2752
02:34:28,480 --> 02:34:30,880
Speaker 1: the winter not kicking ass. So you get these used

2753
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:33,080
Speaker 1: it will be twenty and stuff, right, but then you

2754
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:35,120
Speaker 1: get these rams and they and and like I said,

2755
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:37,640
Speaker 1: even this unhunted population that they were doing that. Like,

2756
02:34:37,800 --> 02:34:39,840
Speaker 1: I think that when a ram gets thirteen, he's got

2757
02:34:39,879 --> 02:34:42,320
Speaker 1: a percent chance of not being alive in a year,

2758
02:34:43,640 --> 02:34:47,120
Speaker 1: and that ten, it really drops off. Yeah, they go

2759
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:49,880
Speaker 1: from being the man and nothing, not like us. We

2760
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:52,560
Speaker 1: have this long forty year period of watching ourselves go

2761
02:34:52,640 --> 02:34:59,920
Speaker 1: to ship Danny got the final things you want to

2762
02:35:00,879 --> 02:35:02,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah, we well we got we started talking about

2763
02:35:03,000 --> 02:35:05,320
Speaker 1: it yesterday, but um yeah we should find a time

2764
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:09,400
Speaker 1: and try try giving it their go. So yeah, every

2765
02:35:09,480 --> 02:35:11,480
Speaker 1: time I'm hunting the last I come away just like

2766
02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:13,840
Speaker 1: obsessing about what I'm gonna do it again. Oh I know,

2767
02:35:13,959 --> 02:35:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I was thinking about this morning. We're

2768
02:35:16,360 --> 02:35:19,080
Speaker 1: trying to go on a moose and caribou trip here

2769
02:35:19,160 --> 02:35:23,120
Speaker 1: and uh, hunting partners having boat trouble and everything else,

2770
02:35:23,160 --> 02:35:29,240
Speaker 1: and man, maybe we should just go back out pounder.

2771
02:35:30,440 --> 02:35:35,160
Speaker 1: Uh as a camera person, don't skyline yourself or bust

2772
02:35:35,240 --> 02:35:39,480
Speaker 1: out in the open at inopportune times. That yeah, getting

2773
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:43,280
Speaker 1: the mindset of the hunt, that's right, the object and

2774
02:35:43,959 --> 02:35:49,840
Speaker 1: act in the shadow, not the cameraman. This outline the

2775
02:35:49,879 --> 02:35:52,720
Speaker 1: skyline shots to one of the better. It's a good shot, man,

2776
02:35:53,320 --> 02:35:59,040
Speaker 1: that's a good shot. Dirt myth um. I was thinking

2777
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:03,360
Speaker 1: about all. It was really cool watching you guys as

2778
02:36:03,440 --> 02:36:06,760
Speaker 1: brothers hunt because I'm really close to my brothers and

2779
02:36:06,840 --> 02:36:09,760
Speaker 1: like you guys stories and that was just kind of neat,

2780
02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, different. Yeah, my other guests, I guess you guys.

2781
02:36:13,640 --> 02:36:16,240
Speaker 1: My first exposure to you and your brothers was being

2782
02:36:16,400 --> 02:36:20,040
Speaker 1: at your dad mom's house in my city and there

2783
02:36:20,080 --> 02:36:22,160
Speaker 1: was a picture of you and both your brothers on

2784
02:36:22,200 --> 02:36:27,920
Speaker 1: a mountaineering trip. Damn. Was like some interesting dude. You

2785
02:36:28,000 --> 02:36:30,480
Speaker 1: were right, you were right? So that Yeah, it was

2786
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:34,160
Speaker 1: really fun hanging out with you guys and watching you

2787
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:40,359
Speaker 1: hunt together and reminding me yea, my good times, my bros. Janice.

2788
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:44,240
Speaker 1: I just had to reiterate, man, what a pretty pretty

2789
02:36:44,280 --> 02:36:47,920
Speaker 1: place that was. I don't We've been a lot of

2790
02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:51,240
Speaker 1: places the last five years together, and this one m

2791
02:36:51,560 --> 02:36:57,119
Speaker 1: topic first scenery, it's pretty dramatic. It is just yeah,

2792
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:00,280
Speaker 1: every views, you know, brother taking when you get to

2793
02:37:00,320 --> 02:37:03,119
Speaker 1: see it. You know, we only had two real bitch

2794
02:37:03,160 --> 02:37:06,440
Speaker 1: and weather days out of eight in the field. In

2795
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:09,800
Speaker 1: those two days, man was of something special. I'm really

2796
02:37:09,879 --> 02:37:13,400
Speaker 1: drawn to those glaciers, man. Yeah, Like looking at him,

2797
02:37:13,440 --> 02:37:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, you're kind of like you don't want

2798
02:37:15,320 --> 02:37:20,320
Speaker 1: to hang out near him for too long. Killed by

2799
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:24,119
Speaker 1: rock or just lifeless too, you know, like lifeless from

2800
02:37:24,200 --> 02:37:27,200
Speaker 1: not lifeless. Yeah, it is. It's intimidating, man, But I

2801
02:37:27,320 --> 02:37:30,320
Speaker 1: like being where you look up and you're like, oh,

2802
02:37:30,440 --> 02:37:32,800
Speaker 1: there's like then there's like the n that's where this

2803
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:35,720
Speaker 1: river starts, and the weather is so much squirrelier by him,

2804
02:37:35,800 --> 02:37:39,000
Speaker 1: too windy. Yeah, because the ice makes its own way.

2805
02:37:39,160 --> 02:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Definitely not lifeless. I mean really, it's the beginning of

2806
02:37:42,840 --> 02:37:45,359
Speaker 1: it all, is what you're looking at a good perspective.

2807
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:50,600
Speaker 1: It's the beginning of its cold when you get up

2808
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:53,000
Speaker 1: in there, there's no shaking it. Man, it's a cold.

2809
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:55,760
Speaker 1: It's just going to your bone. Yeah, like they kick

2810
02:37:55,840 --> 02:37:58,080
Speaker 1: off their own little weather. They kick off, and they

2811
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:00,320
Speaker 1: kick off a wind, like all that cool in air

2812
02:38:00,520 --> 02:38:02,440
Speaker 1: just rushing down off the ice and a lot of

2813
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:06,360
Speaker 1: moisture condensing and that cold air around him. We've got

2814
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:10,080
Speaker 1: snow down August. Yeah, that's the weird thing about Alaska's

2815
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:13,400
Speaker 1: getting snowed out in August. But I already heard was

2816
02:38:13,800 --> 02:38:15,360
Speaker 1: my wife was just telling me a little snow in

2817
02:38:15,480 --> 02:38:20,520
Speaker 1: the mountains around our new house there. Yeah, alrights, Angeles

2818
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:28,960
Speaker 1: Levi conclus I'm glad to tag along much appreciate it.

2819
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:30,760
Speaker 1: Did you like that more? You like when they make

2820
02:38:30,800 --> 02:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you march all around in the military. No, that was

2821
02:38:32,680 --> 02:38:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot more fun. No, I had a good time.

2822
02:38:36,320 --> 02:38:38,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate the chance to come out and hang out,

2823
02:38:39,480 --> 02:38:41,560
Speaker 1: fun hanging with you, Levi. Yeah, that was good having

2824
02:38:41,560 --> 02:38:45,480
Speaker 1: you man. Thanks for the puke and rally especially. Yeah. Yeah,

2825
02:38:45,520 --> 02:38:47,600
Speaker 1: that was really to go up from puke and to

2826
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:50,000
Speaker 1: better that fast, and it wasn't a drinking puke and

2827
02:38:50,040 --> 02:38:52,920
Speaker 1: it was a sick Yeah. So I went to bed

2828
02:38:53,000 --> 02:38:54,640
Speaker 1: one night and then woke up in the middle of

2829
02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:56,560
Speaker 1: the night and had to run outside the tent and

2830
02:38:56,720 --> 02:38:59,240
Speaker 1: trying not to peek on your honest, I wonder what

2831
02:38:59,360 --> 02:39:01,240
Speaker 1: you're doing out there. Yeah, it ran out they were

2832
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:03,520
Speaker 1: having night tears and never thought that someone was throwing

2833
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:06,119
Speaker 1: up outside tent, which is never a good sign. Ran out,

2834
02:39:06,280 --> 02:39:08,760
Speaker 1: and you know, I chucked up my dinner and then uh,

2835
02:39:08,920 --> 02:39:11,720
Speaker 1: Johnnie and I did a mega hike to book up

2836
02:39:11,800 --> 02:39:14,640
Speaker 1: three hours later and down another ten miles. You know,

2837
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:16,760
Speaker 1: I had to run back to base camp for some

2838
02:39:16,840 --> 02:39:19,879
Speaker 1: batteries more than ten miles. Yeah, it was a long Johnt.

2839
02:39:19,959 --> 02:39:21,280
Speaker 1: It was a good it was a good huff, but

2840
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:24,880
Speaker 1: definitely worth it. And uh, yeah, what we hope to

2841
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:26,920
Speaker 1: have you back again when you're depending on what you

2842
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:29,680
Speaker 1: got going on. I'd love to for sure. All right,

2843
02:39:31,080 --> 02:40:11,640
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us as always, assssssssssssssssssssss