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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Welcome to the threshold of the weekend, the

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of Balance of Power Live from Washington, where

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Speaker 2: the Tea Shock is in town. Everyone's feeling good. The

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Speaker 2: flowers are budding.

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Speaker 3: We have spring in the air.

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Speaker 2: As I told you yesterday, it's like the mid seventies

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Speaker 2: here in the Capitol. We're talking cherry blossoms and dining outside.

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Speaker 2: But as Joe Biden meets today with the T Shock,

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Speaker 2: you got that. Everyone got the pronouncer that's the Irish

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister makes the annual visit here to the US.

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Speaker 2: And as Joe Biden meets with him and the Friends

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Speaker 2: of Ireland luncheon that starts about half an hour from

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Speaker 2: now at the Capitol, Israel will be in the air.

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Speaker 2: The T Shock is beginning an earfull in Ireland four

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Speaker 2: thousand messages from constituents upset about the US policy towards

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Speaker 2: Israel and Gaza in many cases, urging him to not

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Speaker 2: make the visit this time. And this all comes after

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Speaker 2: an important speech from the floor of the Senate yesterday

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Speaker 2: from Chuck Schumer, of course, the Democratic Majority leader in

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Speaker 3: Let's listen to what he said.

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Speaker 4: Prime Minister Netanyahu has lost his way by allowing his

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Speaker 4: political survival to take the precedence over the best interests

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Speaker 4: of Israel at this critical juncture. I believe a new

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Speaker 4: election is the only way to allow for a healthy

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Speaker 4: and open decision making process about the future of Israel.

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Speaker 2: A new election, and I can assure you that his

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Speaker 2: counterpart in the Senate does not agree. We heard yesterday

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Speaker 2: as well from Mitch McConnell, of course, the Republican leader,

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Speaker 2: who sees this very differently. And you know, Mitch McConnell

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Speaker 2: has been on the same side of funding for Israel,

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Taiwan as Chuck Schumer. But we're finding a

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Speaker 5: It is grotesque and hypocritical for Americans, who hyperventilate about

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Speaker 5: foreign interference in our own democracy to call for the

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Speaker 5: removal of a democratically elected leader of Israel. This is unprecedented.

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Speaker 5: We should not treat fellow democracies this way at all.

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Speaker 2: As we read the headline on the terminal, Israel prepares

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Speaker 2: Rafa assaults while reviving cease fire talks. An important series

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Speaker 2: of developments today that we talk about with Nick Watdams,

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Speaker 2: who heads our national security coverage here in Washington. It's

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Speaker 2: great to see you, Nick, important to see this plan

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Speaker 2: come to some fruition because the White House has been

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Speaker 2: very deliberate about no invasion unless there's a way to

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Speaker 2: protect civilians.

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Speaker 3: What do we know about.

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Speaker 6: It, Well, at the moment, not a whole lot. Secretary

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Speaker 6: of State Tony Blinken is in Vienna, and our own

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Speaker 6: Ian Marlowe actually asked him about this issue and he said, no,

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Speaker 6: he has not seen any plan to evacuate civilians from Rafa.

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Speaker 6: So a little unclear what's happening here. Israel saying it's

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Speaker 6: the pressure from the US is really to do this,

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Speaker 6: not in an ad hoc way, not to sort of

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Speaker 2: Just because we're seeing this come from the Wark Cabinet

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's very difficult to tell on the

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Speaker 6: But really there's there are very few people who actually

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Speaker 2: Can you help me frame the significance of what we

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Speaker 3: It's just a very different tenor than we had a

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's extraordinary. I haven't really seen a lot

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Speaker 6: that President Biden is under extraordinary pressure now and in

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Speaker 6: some ways this situation with Israel really has gotten to

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Speaker 6: they're really struggling to figure out how to deal with that. Normally,

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Speaker 6: cut it out. You know, this has gone too far.

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Speaker 6: We have civilians dying of hunger in the Gaza, strip.

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Speaker 6: We understand your need to go after Hamas, but you

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Speaker 6: Chuck Schumer did give them warning about his speech, they

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Speaker 3: Correct, Nick, it's great to see you. Thank you, Nick Watomas.

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Speaker 2: Of course back with us, you're familiar with the voice

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Speaker 2: the best national security teams in the business, and always

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Speaker 2: rely on Nick's reporting here as we turn our attention

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Speaker 2: to the campaign trail, if I can call it that

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Speaker 2: by way of Donald Trump's legal issues, imagine a world

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Speaker 2: and maybe Dave Ehrenberg has already envisioned this in which

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Speaker 2: there are no trials before the election. Forget Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 2: Forget Jack Smith, forget Fannie Willis. Dave Ahrenberg is, of course,

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Speaker 2: of this time. And Dave, we see today now that

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Speaker 2: even Alvin Bragg thinks this New York trial set to

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Speaker 2: And it's the sdn WIS fault, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And you're talking to a state prosecutor, and

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Speaker 7: that's what we do. So I'm going to take I'm

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Speaker 7: But also it's Trump's own fault too, because his lawyers

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Speaker 7: subpoenaed these documents from the Feds in mid January.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, the Feds aren't going.

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Speaker 7: To turn around overnight and be able to provide one

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Speaker 7: kills his parents and then ask for mercy from the

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Speaker 7: so now he wants the case thrown out or a

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Speaker 7: ninety day delay in the case because of the late discovery. Well,

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Speaker 7: you waited until mid January to request this. Now, this

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Speaker 7: I give part of the blame to the feds. I

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Speaker 8: This is what they wanted, a big delay.

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Speaker 7: I don't blame the Day's office for this, but it

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Speaker 7: And one thing differently though, Joe, I do think there

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how will that work? And is it this

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Speaker 2: that long? What if they start finding stuff in these

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Speaker 7: Oh, you had to complicate that with that, Joe, yes,

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Speaker 8: Well, if you do find okay, if.

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Speaker 7: You find new stuff, that's a problem, and it could

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Speaker 7: But I thought in New York, in a case that's

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Speaker 7: It is possible, as you correctly say, that, it could

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you about that in one moment.

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Speaker 2: Remember this conversation and what Dave Ahrenberg said. If this

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Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg says these new documents, thousands of them, include

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Speaker 2: he says, about one hundred and seventy two pages of

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Speaker 3: How should we interpret that?

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Speaker 7: doesn't mean it's going to be delayed six months. You've

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Speaker 7: that case is not going before the election.

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Speaker 8: A lot of it is with the judge.

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Speaker 7: They have a lot of discretion over their calendar, and

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Speaker 2: So with regard quickly to that Jack Smith case, we're

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Speaker 2: by Bloomberg Legal reporter Sarah Ford, and it's great to see, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: You're having another busy day here. Even Alvin Bragg says, well,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is a stunning development that just happened yesterday.

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Speaker 2: It's such a simple approach that has worked for him

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Speaker 9: Well, in this case, the timing becomes especially critical because,

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Speaker 9: Are any of these cases going to actually produce a

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Speaker 2: But then if Bragg is delayed, I think is your point,

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Speaker 2: So we could then be in a world where none

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump's legal team, lavam or Hate I'm probably

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Speaker 2: And I should have probably asked you about this before.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, Sarah Ford and great to see, great work.

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Speaker 2: Friday when the news is breaking. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington.

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Speaker 2: As we add the voice of Mick Mulvaney, of course,

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you, Mick. Thanks for joining. What

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Speaker 2: do you think about this, your old boss? You know

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Speaker 2: how it works with Donald Trump's lawyers. Delay delay, delay

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Speaker 10: You know, I've heard that a couple times. I've heard,

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Speaker 10: What else would you expect a defendant to do if

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Speaker 10: What are you going to say, Okay, that's fine, we

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Speaker 10: did that to themselves. I mean, I'm sitting here thinking,

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Speaker 10: you know, yes, it sounds like Trump team might might

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Speaker 10: be delayed, delayed, delay, But so is the prosecution because

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Speaker 10: they're the ones screwing up here and giving Trump a gift.

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Speaker 10: So I'm not sure Trump is to be blamed for that.

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Speaker 2: Well, who would have thought s d n Y would

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Speaker 2: send a gift with a bow on it like that

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Speaker 2: to Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: But here we are.

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's why I think I don't think

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Speaker 10: it's sdn Y. I know a difference. This is the

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Speaker 10: state court.

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Speaker 2: Well, they decided to show up late with the documents.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this could have been handled earlier as it

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Speaker 2: turns out, But I know your feelings about January sixth, Mick,

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Speaker 2: do you do you feel like Jack Smith's trial ought

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Speaker 2: to be heard before people vote.

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Speaker 10: The right? The answer is yes. The reason what reason

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Speaker 10: hesitating is that we have to understand that the right

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Speaker 10: to a speedy trial in this country accrues to the

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Speaker 10: benefit of the accused, not the government. And I understand,

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Speaker 10: you know, folks accusing Trump of delay probably a smart move.

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Speaker 10: On the flip side of that, is the government rushing

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Speaker 10: to some type of prosecution and are they making mistakes

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Speaker 10: because of it. I think there's a fair conversation to have.

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Speaker 10: Everybody knows who's been sued that justice doesn't work really

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Speaker 10: really quickly in this country and there are tools available

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Speaker 10: to you, legally, ethically, constitutionally to slow things down, and

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Speaker 10: that's exactly what Trump is doing. So my takeaway from this,

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Speaker 10: Joe is that you know, the Left is really really

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Speaker 10: good at hating Donald Trump, but apparently they're not really

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Speaker 10: really good at prosecuting court cases. So I expect jaxth

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Speaker 10: to be.

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Speaker 2: That does appear to be the case. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm not making a judgment against delay. Make you use

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Speaker 2: whatever tools you have depending on what side of the

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Speaker 2: case you're on. I completely understand that. I'm just amazed

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Speaker 2: at how effective it has been. My god, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about ninety one counts one day, and we could have

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Speaker 2: a world in which there are no trials before the election.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to talk about here. As Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Heads to Ohio this weekend, Mick mulvaney and Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: tries to protect his blue wall, as we call it,

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Speaker 2: and you can kind of look at that over the

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Speaker 2: course or of the track it across the rust belt

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Speaker 2: where this election is going to be decided. What's Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's message in Ohio this weekend.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I think it's the same as any is anywhere

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Speaker 10: else on the economy. Are you better off than you

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Speaker 10: were when I was president? That's a fairly easy message

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Speaker 10: to take. On this larger sort of narrative about the

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Speaker 10: weaponization of government, which you know, sounds really esoteric. He

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Speaker 10: gets it down to a real clear message, which is,

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Speaker 10: can you imagine can you believe what they're doing to me?

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Speaker 10: Look at me, I'm rich, I'm famous, and I'm wand

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Speaker 10: and they're doing this to me. Imagine what they could

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Speaker 10: do to you if they want to pick on you

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Speaker 10: for a while. Elect me, and I'll make sure that

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Speaker 10: doesn't happen. That's a real powerful message. You talk about

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Speaker 10: the Blue Wall, and I get it, and I think

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Speaker 10: you know Trump is going to have difficulties in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 10: and Michigan. I don't think there's anybody who's looking around

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Speaker 10: at Ohio's the swing state. Ohios probably Trump, probably Trump

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Speaker 10: by a good margin. The best evidence that Joe was

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Speaker 10: probably when Joe Biden didn't go to East Palestine for

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Speaker 10: a year, and even with Jared Brown on the line.

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Speaker 10: So I think I think the Republicans are feeling pretty

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Speaker 10: good about Ohio. There's still got a lot of work

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Speaker 10: to do in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and alike.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting when you talk about four years ago,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I won't even point you to the

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Speaker 2: job market or the economic data because I know the

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Speaker 2: inflation remains a big problem compared to where we were

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Speaker 2: four years ago. But we were in the throes of

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Speaker 2: a pandemic four years ago, and I wonder if the

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Speaker 2: President will try to remind people of that. Mick, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot going on in Washington. I need to ask

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Speaker 2: you about here. The t shock is up on the

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Speaker 2: Hill today. You know what that's all about, as the

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Speaker 2: former Special Envoy to Northern Ireland and as a former

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Speaker 2: member of Congress. But it's looking like a week from

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Speaker 2: now we're not going to be telling jokes on Capitol

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Speaker 2: Hill because the government might be shutting down. Do you

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Speaker 2: think there's a chance we find another stopgap or can

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Speaker 2: Mike Johnson pull this off when he gets back from

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Speaker 2: West Virginia.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, how many what would history teach History

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Speaker 10: would teach us that the statistical likelihood that they're going

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Speaker 10: to find a stop gap, right, I don't think anybody's

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Speaker 10: really hankering for a shutdown. There is a chance you

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Speaker 10: get one by accident. We've had a couple of those

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Speaker 10: in the past. I'll never forget when I was down

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Speaker 10: at omb and someone walked in and said, Ran Paul

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Speaker 10: just did something on the Senate floor and they can't

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Speaker 10: vote before midnight, so technically we'll have a shutdown for

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Speaker 10: a day or something like that. So that these things happen,

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Speaker 10: these accidental shutdowns. But I don't see this thing sort

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Speaker 10: of down on. You saw in twenty nineteen where folks

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Speaker 10: is saying, let's shut the gunment down two we get

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Speaker 10: more money for in that case the wall. There's a

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Speaker 10: group ERA would love to do that in the Hill,

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Speaker 10: but they're very, very small, So I think it's going

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Speaker 10: to be another stop gap. I think it'll probably increase spending,

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Speaker 10: as it always does. They'll figure out a way to

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Speaker 10: get around the one percent automatic cuts because Washington never

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Speaker 10: spends less. But my guess is, yeah, they'll either cut

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Speaker 10: a big deal or a small deal. But I don't

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Speaker 10: think they're going to shut down unless it's by accident.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's this is interesting now that Homeland Security DHS

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Speaker 2: appears to be a sticking point here because it involves

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Speaker 2: the border.

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Speaker 3: That's probably not a shocker.

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Speaker 2: And reports would suggest that we basically get a continuing

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Speaker 2: resolution for that one agency and then the rest the

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Speaker 2: other five bills come together in what we're so cute

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Speaker 2: now in Washington we're calling a criminibus c R.

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Speaker 10: Wow. Wow, that's when I.

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Speaker 3: Have heard did you? Yeah? If this is new to you,

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Speaker 3: then I'm proud of myself. Is this getting a little

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Speaker 3: bit too cute for you? Or could something like that pass?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? But I'm a budget gig. Of course it could pass.

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Speaker 10: The people don't care. Voters don't care. You know, there's

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Speaker 10: a very small percentage of voters in the right wing

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Speaker 10: who care a lot about spending, and most voters really

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Speaker 10: really don't care, and they don't follow this. I will

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Speaker 10: go to my grave believing that shutdowns don't have any

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Speaker 10: impact whatsoever in politics. People just don't care about them.

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Speaker 10: So can this pass? Sure, it can pass. Just about

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Speaker 10: anything can pass when you're spending money in Washington. Question

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Speaker 10: is will it on time? I think there's a will

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Speaker 10: to do that. So dysfunctional again, they may accidentally slip

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Speaker 10: past the deadline, as they almost did last week and

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Speaker 10: will do again.

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Speaker 3: In the future.

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Speaker 2: Spending time with Mick mulvaney here on Bloomberg TV and radio.

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Speaker 2: You might have heard about the letter from White House

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Speaker 2: counsel Edward Siskell wrote a note to Mike Johnson making

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Speaker 2: fun of him and the effort to impeach Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: I write to you today, he says in the letter,

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Speaker 2: because it is clear the House Republican impeachment is over.

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Speaker 3: Is he right?

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Speaker 10: No? I mean keep in mind the way that Trump

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Speaker 10: the first Trump impeachment work. The second one was different

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Speaker 10: because that was January sixth.

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Speaker 3: It was very quick.

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Speaker 10: The first Trump impeachment actually started with an impeachment inquiry.

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Speaker 10: The general consensus on the Hill at the time was

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Speaker 10: that there was no basis for an actual impeachment, but

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Speaker 10: Nancy Pelosi needed to sort of save to give something

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Speaker 10: to her left wing, so she gave an impeachment inquiry.

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Speaker 10: And that's when Trump made the stunning decision to release

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Speaker 10: the transcript of his conversation with Zelenski and Ukraine, which

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Speaker 10: is what then led immediately to the impeach shortly after that.

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Speaker 10: So I think that Republicans are looking their hands over

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Speaker 10: and say, look, the Trump screwed up and gave him

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Speaker 10: a bunch of evidence that they didn't have, and it

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Speaker 10: turned into impeachment. Maybe the Democrats will make the same

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Speaker 10: type of mistake. I'm not aware of the evidence they

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Speaker 10: say they've collected. They say they've got some good stuff.

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Speaker 10: They have to have a smoking gun to go out

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Speaker 10: to the president. They really really do. But my guess

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Speaker 10: is this impeachment inquiry will go on for as long

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Speaker 10: as it's still politically beneficial to the Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, I've only got a minute left, Mick. You heard

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Speaker 2: what the chair of the NRCC is talking about Richard,

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Speaker 2: Hudson says Republicans are not going to lose the House

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Speaker 2: in November. They're actually going to grow the majority. He's

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Speaker 2: pointing to low polling for Joe Biden. He's pointing to

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Speaker 2: redistricting that turned out to, in the speaker's words, be

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Speaker 2: a wash. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 10: It's fascinating. I'm skeptical because I understand the general sort

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Speaker 10: of direction that Washington is going on. I understand the

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Speaker 10: seats that are at risk and the buy seats versus.

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Speaker 10: I get all that, but there's some data out there

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Speaker 10: that might support what Richard is saying. What Hudson is saying.

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Speaker 10: The Republicans are up by more than ten points. The

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Speaker 10: last time I checked on a generic ballot, they were

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Speaker 10: by six in two thousand and ten. The folks I've

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Speaker 10: talked to who are not crazy in the Republican Conference,

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Speaker 10: we tell you, look, we don't know. We might lose

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Speaker 10: thirty seats, we might win thirty seats, we might tie.

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Speaker 10: We have no idea. It's all over the map right now,

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Speaker 10: and I think that might be right. Hudson's not necessarily wrong.

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Speaker 3: We'll play this tape back when the time comes Mick.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see it. Don't be a stranger. Happy

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Speaker 2: Saint Patrick's day. Mick mulvaney back with us on Bloomberg.

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Speaker 2: Former acting chief of Staff the White House, former Congressman,

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Speaker 2: co founder of the Freedom Caucus. We assemble the panel next,

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzano are with us. Like every Friday,

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Speaker 2: our closers are coming up as we hit the campaign

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Speaker 2: trail and look at the impact of these legal rulings.

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Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Friday edition of Balance of Power, live

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Speaker 2: from the nation's capital here on Bloomberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you. Kayley Lines will be back

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Speaker 2: with us on Monday. Will it be a thirty day

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Speaker 2: delay or a ninety day delay?

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Speaker 3: Who cares?

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Speaker 2: Because there will probably be another delay that follows it.

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Speaker 2: As we now turn our attention to the Alvin braggcase,

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Speaker 2: the hush money case in New York against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Guess what supposed to start March twenty fifth, As we've

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Speaker 2: told you just a couple of days ago, at the

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Speaker 2: trial date looming a massive pile of documents, thousands of

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Speaker 2: them drop forcing it appears this case to be delayed.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's legal team is asking for ninety That's why

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that Alvin Bragg himself, the DA says probably

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Speaker 2: need about thirty to go through this many documents, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy two pages of which he says are

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Speaker 2: relevant to the case.

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Speaker 3: And guess what all.

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Speaker 2: Of it it appears good have been avoided. Bragg says

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Speaker 2: the new documents and clube materials he requested more than

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Speaker 2: a year ago. And so if the Trump strategy is delay, delay, delay,

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Speaker 2: maybe we are learning the benefits now of betting on

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Speaker 2: human nature, betting on operator error, betting on mediocrity. As

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Speaker 2: we assemble the panel, Rick Davis and Genie Shanze, no

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Speaker 2: amazing stuff here, Genie. As we consider a world in

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Speaker 2: which Donald Trump will face no trials before the election,

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Speaker 2: we don't know that yet. But his legal team's doing

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Speaker 2: pretty well for him, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I mean, in this case, they are absolutely right. They

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Speaker 11: have every right to look through these documents. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 11: Alvin Bragg for them more than a year ago. The

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Speaker 11: Trump team ended up issuing us a PENAI believe it

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Speaker 11: wasn't January. And of course, again he is a defendant

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Speaker 11: in a case with every rate to go through these.

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Speaker 11: I suspect the judge may split the baby and give him,

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Speaker 11: you know, sixty days, you know, between the thirty and ninety.

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Speaker 11: But either way, they have this right. Alvin Bragg has

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Speaker 11: got to be terribly frustrated today that the prosecution at

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Speaker 11: the federal level didn't give these documents earlier. But this

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Speaker 11: is the way these things go. And to your point,

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Speaker 11: the earliest we probably see this happen is late April

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Speaker 11: or early May at this point, and that's probably early.

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Speaker 2: Well Trump, Yeah, that is, and it could of course

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Speaker 2: impact the only other trial that might take place. It

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Speaker 2: appears before the November elections, and that's Jack Smith's case.

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Speaker 2: Here in New York. There must be they must be

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Speaker 2: laughing at mar A Lago, Rick, what do you make

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Speaker 2: of this?

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Speaker 8: I think they're laughing at mar A Lago.

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Speaker 12: I mean, like nobody wants to laugh at their own

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Speaker 12: legal jeopardy. But I think This is pretty much what

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Speaker 12: we expected out of Trump. He's just been much more

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Speaker 12: successful than we thought he was going to be. Alvin

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Speaker 12: Bragg announced this case thirty four counts back in April

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Speaker 12: of last year. It's been almost a year and we're

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Speaker 12: still finding documents. I mean, this thing is like the

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Speaker 12: gang that can't shoot straight. And Trump has taken advantage

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Speaker 12: of it, and as well he should, right, I mean,

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Speaker 12: he's only doing things that the legal system affords him.

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Speaker 12: But I think again, these cases have become just a

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Speaker 12: huge distraction. I mean, they're not politics, they're legal, and

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Speaker 12: if there's going to be a winner or loser in

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Speaker 12: this election, it ought to be done at the ballot box,

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Speaker 12: not in a courtroom.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's looking like that's the way it's going to

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Speaker 2: go here, Genie, if you pay attention to what's happening

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Speaker 2: in Fulton County. By the way, Fani Willis is staying

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Speaker 2: on the case, a judge ruled earlier today she could

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Speaker 2: have been disqualified here, but it appears that her romantic interest.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutor who brought this to the level, will have

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Speaker 2: to step down. That case may never even happen, and

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Speaker 2: if it does, it might be too late.

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Speaker 11: Right, absolutely, and you know, I know he is allowing

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Speaker 11: her to stay on. The judge rule today if the

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Speaker 11: special prosecutor that she appointed steps down or is removed,

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Speaker 11: I believe personally that Fawnie Willis herself should recuse herself.

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Speaker 11: You know, if this trial and these charges are as

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Speaker 11: serious as she says they are, and I believe they are,

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Speaker 11: then they what has happened here has been so distracting

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Speaker 11: and so salacious and such a soap opera. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 11: I would have thought she would step down, and I

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Speaker 11: am still hopeful she might, But that being said, the

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Speaker 11: judge has said she can remain on. You know, my

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Speaker 11: view on all of this. I know it is sort

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Speaker 11: of popular to say all of this is a win

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Speaker 11: for Donald Trump. I don't believe that. I think this

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Speaker 11: is a win for the Democrats. And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 11: I think the thing they must do is beat Donald

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Speaker 11: Trump fairly and squarely at the ballot box.

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Speaker 8: And if I was.

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Speaker 11: Advising Joe Biden, I would say, go out there and

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Speaker 11: say these trials go forward or not. You don't care.

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Speaker 11: You're going to beat him at the ballot box. And

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Speaker 11: you know, because we do know that in the art

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Speaker 11: of persuasion. Less is more, and there are too many

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Speaker 11: trials out there, and it is hurting the Democrats. They've

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Speaker 11: got to say they can beat him at the ballot

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Speaker 11: box and win people support and not lose because of

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Speaker 11: these trials.

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Speaker 2: Rick, it may not end up mattering in the end,

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Speaker 2: but should Fannie Willis still be allowed to run this case?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't think it matters. That's a judgment that

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Speaker 12: only she can make. Is she really the only one

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Speaker 12: who can do this?

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Speaker 8: Is she a distraction?

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Speaker 3: Certainly?

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Speaker 12: The judge didn't like her testimony, commented about how improfessional

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Speaker 12: it was. This is a mess, right, And I can

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Speaker 12: only imagine the conversations at the hierarchy of the Biden campaign,

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Speaker 12: you know, where they literally every week open up a

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Speaker 12: paper and see some disaster happening along these legal cases.

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Speaker 12: And so nobody's talking about his trip to the you know,

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Speaker 12: Midwest and talking about investment and the kind of infrastructure

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Speaker 12: building he's doing, talking about you know, incompetent prosecutors in Georgia.

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Speaker 12: I mean, like that's not helping Joe Biden a bit.

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Speaker 12: And I agree with Genie I said, I think this

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Speaker 12: is a distraction to the campaign. I mean, obviously you

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Speaker 12: have to pull it and you have to pay attention

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Speaker 12: in case something happens. But if everybody had just agreed

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Speaker 12: all these cases can start after the election, Joe Biden

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Speaker 12: be a lot better off right now. He's been hijacked

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Speaker 12: by this. And every time something happens in the court case,

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Speaker 12: it's like, oh, you know, victory for Donald Trump. Like

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Speaker 12: he's been indicted over eighty times. That's not a victory.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough.

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Speaker 2: As we spend time with Rick Davis and Genie Shanzo

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Speaker 2: here on Bloomberg TV and Radio, Donald Trump is headed

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Speaker 2: for Ohio this weekend.

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Speaker 3: He's to be doing the stump speech.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday night in what will begin anti climactic primary

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Speaker 2: contest on Tuesday. But the Senate primary is one that

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Speaker 2: we're looking at very closely. This is Shared Brown's seat,

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Speaker 2: of course, a very important one for Democrats as they

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Speaker 2: try to hold on to control in the Senate, and

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Speaker 2: this is looking like a very serious challenge. Bernie Moreno

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Speaker 2: is the Cleveland businessman endorsed by Donald Trump who's going

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Speaker 2: to be on the Republican primary. Here in Genie, we're

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Speaker 2: seeing again a Democratic group put hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 2: dollars into advertising for the Republican in the hopes that

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Speaker 2: it actually helps to create some friction here in the

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Speaker 2: electorate and get the Democrat elected. It's a risky move,

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Speaker 2: it's paid off before. But duty and country is the

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Speaker 2: group dropping almost nine hundred thousand dollars on an ad

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Speaker 2: to promote Bernie Moreno, who is running against a more

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Speaker 2: establishment Republican. They want to set this up as a

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Speaker 2: maga contest.

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Speaker 3: Is it smart?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they're trying to make Moreno. I believe in too,

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Speaker 11: Steve Garvey, they did it successfully in California. They are

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Speaker 11: crying again.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 11: It is a risky strategy, of course, because there is

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Speaker 11: the possibility that in Ohio Moreno could win. But this

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Speaker 11: has gotten to be very, very ugly. The latest was

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Speaker 11: this AP report on adult friend finders with Bernie Moreno.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it has gotten really bad. And Democrats, to

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Speaker 11: your point, are doing what they do in a campaign.

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Speaker 11: They are playing politics and betting if they can get

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Speaker 11: Moreno on that ticket that shared Brown a must win

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Speaker 11: for Democrats could beat him again. Risky, but it may

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Speaker 11: pay off.

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Speaker 3: Yep. Look we've seen this before.

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Speaker 2: He's running against the state senator named Matt Dolan and

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Speaker 2: Ohio Secretary of State Frank Lrose. There are questions, as

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Speaker 2: we heard even in the midterms, Rick, about the ethics

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Speaker 2: behind this. Is this good politics when you're trying to

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Speaker 2: prop up somebody from the other party in the hopes

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Speaker 2: of creating an easier competition for yourself.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's always a risk. I mean, if you, if you,

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Speaker 12: if you, if you get what you want and then

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Speaker 12: the Republican wins, you look like you've ate it an

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Speaker 12: avetted a Republican campaign. But so far the Democrats have

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Speaker 12: been pretty agile about it. I think they're bat in

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Speaker 12: a thousand, are pretty close to it, so I think

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Speaker 12: the risk award is probably on their end.

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Speaker 8: It's a close race.

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Speaker 12: I mean, every poll I've seen for the last month

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Speaker 12: is Dolan and Moreno, you know, basically two points apiece,

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Speaker 12: uh separating each other.

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Speaker 3: So you know, a little bit.

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Speaker 12: Of action, like two and a half million bucks worth

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Speaker 12: of advertising, you know, we could the primary could pay off.

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Speaker 3: I would say.

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Speaker 12: Sharon Brown and all the matchups against both these guys

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Speaker 12: wins handily right now, and Trump wins handily at the

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Speaker 12: top of the ticket. So it's a stay to watch

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Speaker 12: to see you know, can Trump have coattails? Can he

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Speaker 12: influence the outcome? They're only going to get attention on

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Speaker 12: this the Democrats because Donald Trump endorse the guy who's

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Speaker 12: least likely to win against Shared Brown. I mean, once

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Speaker 12: again Trump meddling in Republican primaries to potentially pick the

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Speaker 12: weak candidates. So you can't really blame the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there you go, Genie, I've got only thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Remember when we used to call Ohio a swing state?

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Speaker 2: What do we call it now?

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Speaker 11: A not swing state? Increasingly read on Donald Trump doing

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Speaker 11: very well there and you know, Mitch McCabe, Moor and

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Speaker 11: Trump candidates matter, and as Rick pointed out, moreno is

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Speaker 11: you know, a hard sell in that state, even though

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Speaker 11: it is, to your point not a swing state anymore.

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Speaker 2: Great conversation, As always with our signature panel. They'll be

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Speaker 2: back with us on Balance of Power at five o'clock.

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