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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesday's edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. I Paul the Tino. He is

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Speaker 1: Jeff Fiagels, and we'll be here for the next hour.

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Speaker 1: Hello Jeff, to talk NFL Draft and New York Giants football.

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Speaker 1: first up, before we even get to any of our

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Speaker 1: phone calls today, and you'll be able to get on

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Speaker 1: the line at about twenty minutes or so at two

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Speaker 1: oh one nine nine four five one three. There's something

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Speaker 1: called the NFL Draft happening. Yeah, did you know that?

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Speaker 1: Kind of I knew it was getting close, maybe next

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Speaker 1: week somewhere around in there. Yeah, indeed it is. And

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Speaker 1: Josh Norris, who covers the NFL for NBC Sports and

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Speaker 1: Rural World, is kind enough to give us some time

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Speaker 1: as we kind of get the scoop on what is

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Speaker 1: going around around the rumor mill in the NFL Draft. Josh,

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Speaker 1: it's so great to talk to you. Paula Tino and

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Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles with you today. Thank you. Yeah, gentlemen, thanks

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Speaker 1: having me on. I really appreciate it. Well, we we

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time as well. And first things first, before

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Speaker 1: we we even go anywhere else into the depths of

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Speaker 1: this draft, let's just start with the obvious. Because everywhere

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Speaker 1: you go, people want to talk about how many quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: are going to go in the first round. Now, we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna tals specifics about the Giants, but in all honesty,

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Speaker 1: in your best guess, is it gonna be one, two, three, four.

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Speaker 1: I've heard even some people say as many as five

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Speaker 1: knew for sure, I might win some money next weekend. Um,

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Speaker 1: we know we're going to have one, right, and almost

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Speaker 1: certainly that would be the number one selection or the

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Speaker 1: right like we've we've seen the Giants completely connected to

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and Drew Lock and Dwayne Haskins. We've seen

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Speaker 1: that with the Dawson's. We've seen that as the mangles,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like every single year around this time

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Speaker 1: we hear that the NFL loves these quarterbacks right and

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Speaker 1: they're going to be taken earlier than you expect them

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Speaker 1: to be. Well, sometimes that can be the case in

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Speaker 1: around one. But once we hear those names that are

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Speaker 1: think we'll get two quarterbacks in round one. We know

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Speaker 1: one's gonna be Keler Murray, and after that the next

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Speaker 1: one's could be Haskins, Lock or Jones, But I highly

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Speaker 1: doubt we see all four go in the first round.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Josh about that secret team? Is

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Speaker 1: there gonna be a team that has been laying on

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Speaker 1: smoke coming out of the chimney, and it's whiter, it's black.

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Speaker 1: Who knows? Do you have any idea if there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a team like that coming out of the in

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Speaker 1: from anywhere? Do you know what it's like? We hear

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Speaker 1: that same information every every year as well. Um. In

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Speaker 1: previous seasons, it's been the New Orleans Saints, Uh, the same,

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers. Even right now you're hearing the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers because now Aaron Rodgers approaching thirty five

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Speaker 1: these teams have backup quarterbacks now, it just depends on

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Speaker 1: if they want to have that long term spot um

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Speaker 1: locked down for the quote unquote quarterback of the future.

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Speaker 1: But you guys know this, like that sit and wait

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Speaker 1: period with the first round quarterback prospect, it really doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen anymore, right, Like, these quarterbacks are ready to play

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Speaker 1: be a shock either. Josh. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 1: any discussion at all about Kyler Murray being the number

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Speaker 1: all these other teams, the Jets, the Giants, further down

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Speaker 1: this isn't the locked in number one selection. And guess

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Speaker 1: what's happened the last week, the last two weeks, the

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Speaker 1: So maybe it's not as as we expected. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: close enough that certainly seems like percent range. Cayler Murray

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Speaker 1: Stills number one thing, Josh, you know around here with

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Speaker 1: our big blue kickoff Live staff, I think all of

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Speaker 1: us agree that when you're going through the draft, you

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Speaker 1: don't draft for position. Your draft for the player that's there,

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Speaker 1: the best player available. Um. Dave Gentleman came in here

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Speaker 1: hear about best player available, right. I think that's truly

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Speaker 1: he doubled up at that spot. Okay, you look at

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Speaker 1: And I think that's fine. Look, we all have these biases.

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Speaker 1: round five, six, seven, truly do take the best player

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks are gonna factor into this obviously, that williams

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Speaker 1: But look, the Giants might believe that a Montes Sweat

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Speaker 1: the quarterback thing, but just real briefly, I'd liked your

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Speaker 1: you think that they would fit in here? Well? I

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Speaker 1: think Pat Shermer's shown that he can have success with

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Speaker 1: what's got him to that spot, right. I think he's innovating,

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Speaker 1: they have been biased towards pocket passers, one that you know,

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen and Dwayne Haskins present very similar evaluations. So

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Speaker 1: the move I'm making, rather than taking Haskins at six

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Speaker 1: nine four or five one three. Let's go to those

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Speaker 1: phone lines and let's see who we've got up first

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Speaker 1: on the show. It's Charlie from Portland, Maine. Hi, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: you're not getting any crazy music out of me. I

431
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Speaker 1: don't believe in that stick. I am the guest, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: Yes you are. Hey, I think it's gonna be Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be the first game. I think

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Speaker 1: they're doing the a f C again like they did

435
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Speaker 1: last year, and I think we're gonna be playing Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: New York, New York. So that's my guest. Probably probably

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, maybe at home, but I think in Buffalo. Well, no, no,

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo. That's already been determined. The home games we

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Speaker 1: already know, Charlie, if you haven't seen it, Okay, I'm

440
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Speaker 1: not trying to be a wise guy. Giants. Home games

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Speaker 1: outside of the division are the Packers, the Vikings, the Bills,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and the Cardinals. Road games outside the division

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Speaker 1: the Bears, the Lions, the Patriots, the Jets of the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's good. Hey, look we got a good

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Speaker 1: schedule this year. Remember last year we were going all

446
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Speaker 1: over We're flying all over the place. This year we

447
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Speaker 1: don't have to fly anywhere. And we actually got nine

448
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Speaker 1: home games this year because the playing the Jets at

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Speaker 1: home correct, So we don't have to go anywhere. And

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Speaker 1: I think by mileage, the furthest game might be the

451
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Speaker 1: Cowboys by mileage. Yeah, so we we we we definitely

452
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Speaker 1: have lucked out this year on scheduling. I think so, um,

453
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Speaker 1: we should uh, we should be good with that at least.

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Speaker 1: And I got a question for you. I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about White, the linebacker from L s U. I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: if he's there at six, he might not be, But

457
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Speaker 1: if he's there at six, why not take him? Because

458
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Speaker 1: then we have a linebacker who can go sideline the

459
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Speaker 1: sideline and a guy who can definitely rush the pass.

460
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Speaker 1: It we get both, you know, we get the best

461
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Speaker 1: of both worlds instead of just getting a d N

462
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Speaker 1: that's just gonna you know what I'm saying. I think

463
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Speaker 1: it's time to pick a linebacker. And I think this guy,

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Speaker 1: from what I've seen and watched some of his games

465
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Speaker 1: and who he is, I think he he is kind

466
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Speaker 1: of bring the energy to this team, and I think

467
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Speaker 1: we need that linebacker, especially since we're three four some

468
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Speaker 1: of the time. All Right, Charlie, appreciate the call. We'll

469
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Speaker 1: talk again soon, Thanks, Jeff. We did have an L

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Speaker 1: s U reporter on as we did our prospect previews,

471
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Speaker 1: and the discussion about Devin White was on the negative side,

472
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Speaker 1: was that he does miss a lot of tackles, and

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Speaker 1: does overrun plays and does get too aggressive. The question

474
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Speaker 1: that we had for him, which Brian brought us, the

475
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Speaker 1: former scout super Bowl scout who now does a lot

476
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Speaker 1: of work with the Cowboys dot com people had said, Uh,

477
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Speaker 1: he's not a three down backer because she can't expect

478
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Speaker 1: him to do things in coverage. Uh. Talking to the

479
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Speaker 1: l s U guys, he said to us, well, they

480
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Speaker 1: didn't ask him to, so that's gonna have to be

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Speaker 1: a projection. Apparently he's a very good athlete. We've seen

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Speaker 1: some of the tape. He's a good athlete. He's quick,

483
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Speaker 1: he's athletic, he's got a lot of skills. But at

484
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Speaker 1: L s U they did not ask him to do

485
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Speaker 1: any coverage, and quite uh, the way teams are playing nowadays,

486
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a three down backer and you're

487
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Speaker 1: an inside backer, Jeff, you've got to be able to cover,

488
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Speaker 1: no question. I mean, obviously his athleticism will help him,

489
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Speaker 1: but if they didn't ask him to do a lot

490
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Speaker 1: of it in college, you don't have a lot of

491
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Speaker 1: tape on him that's showing that he can do it,

492
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Speaker 1: then you're relying on just basically saying, you know, he's athletic,

493
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Speaker 1: he can do it. Hopefully he can do it. I

494
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Speaker 1: don't know if I want to waste a number one

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Speaker 1: pick on someone like that other than and I look

496
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Speaker 1: at I look at need. We talk about need in drafting. Need,

497
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Speaker 1: don't draft by the player. The Giants need an edge rusher.

498
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Speaker 1: The Giants need defensive lineman before they need linebackers. In

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Speaker 1: my opinion, Well, I will say this, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any doubt that Devin White's number one pick. No, No,

501
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Speaker 1: there are those folks who think he might fold seventeen.

502
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Speaker 1: Maybe you think about him there if you want to

503
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Speaker 1: what I meant the number one pick me like the

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Speaker 1: Giants number one pick six? Yeah, I can't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: touching him at six. So that's what I meant by

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Speaker 1: the number one pick. Like, yes, correct, Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody that I have seen lists Devin White as

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Speaker 1: one of the top six players, best player available on

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Speaker 1: the board. No, no, I haven't seen it either. Um

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Speaker 1: not to say that it couldn't happen, but I doubt

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Speaker 1: it will because of the ed drushers in the defensive

512
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Speaker 1: linement that they are there. And I would add this

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Speaker 1: to you, Charlie, if you really want the guy after

514
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Speaker 1: the top three players who everybody believes the best three

515
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Speaker 1: defensive players on the board of Boso Williams and Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: After those three guys, then there's a little bit of

517
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Speaker 1: of of of a notchdown, and then you get the

518
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Speaker 1: second level guys, of which you know, Montes sweats in there,

519
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Speaker 1: Burns is in there, Oliver's in there, Ferrell's in there.

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Speaker 1: I personally absolutely adore Klell and Ferrell. I've made that

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Speaker 1: very clear now for a month. In fact, I even

522
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Speaker 1: think I started to combine talking about him and why

523
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Speaker 1: because of the top level defensive edge rushers in this draft,

524
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Speaker 1: he's the best of playing the run, he holds the edge,

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Speaker 1: He is a two way defensive end. He reminds me

526
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Speaker 1: so much of Justin Tuck. And if I said to

527
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Speaker 1: you they could get Justin Tuck with the six pick

528
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Speaker 1: in the draft, I think you'd take him best because

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Speaker 1: I know already know how he plays. Yeah, unfortunately that's

530
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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Oh well, but you know what you

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Speaker 1: could get a You could get a you can You're

532
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Speaker 1: gonna get a quality player at that number six. We

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Speaker 1: can't get, we can't get talk. We might get Farrell, though,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying we can't get Tucked, right, we

535
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Speaker 1: can't get Justin Farrell. Yeah, I'm with you. There, he's

536
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Speaker 1: he would he would not listen. I would not be

537
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Speaker 1: discouraged if they took him. But if Quentin Williams is

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Speaker 1: still there, then I would take him. Well, any of

539
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Speaker 1: the top three defensive players, if they fall to six,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to grab whoever that guy is. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody would. I think that there's a chance that

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Speaker 1: Quentin Williams would be one of those guys that dropped

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Speaker 1: two giants in this That would be shocking to me. Well,

544
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Speaker 1: we'd love to see it. Okay, Well think about it.

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Speaker 1: You got you got Okay, think about so you've got Bosa,

546
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Speaker 1: there's Bossa, Allen, and Williams the top three defensive players.

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Speaker 1: So you get five picks before the Giants. If two

548
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks go on the top five, three, well that's it.

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Speaker 1: It's two plus three is five. Giants are six. They're

550
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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. Now. They got to go

551
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Speaker 1: to the next level unless somebody moves up or somebody

552
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Speaker 1: wants another player positions. I was talking to somebody about

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Speaker 1: this this morning, and I said to me, the only

554
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Speaker 1: way that one of those three defensive guys flops to

555
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Speaker 1: six is if the two quarterbacks go and then someone

556
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Speaker 1: in the top five decides maybe they need to take

557
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Speaker 1: an offensive tackle, because there are those who think that

558
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Speaker 1: either Jowan Taylor or Jonah Williams could potentially be a

559
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Speaker 1: top five guy. You never know, you don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: Softy on the line. He is. Thank you, Matt hit

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Speaker 1: the button for Softy. Softy mailer of KGr Radio in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, my man? How are you guys? Hey? Jeff? Hello,

563
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Speaker 1: soft Eagles on the Miami Hurricane roster. Is that your son?

564
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Speaker 1: That is my fourth son? Yes, that's correct, soft Thank

565
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Speaker 1: you for that. Foreign. By the way, that's how long

566
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Speaker 1: ago it was. He was born in Seattle and so yeah,

567
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: that's him, amazing. Yeah, Jeff, Jeff saw the bad times

568
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: in Seattle, saw some good times with that playoff running

569
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Speaker 1: ninety nine. And uh, every time I think at Jeff Feagles,

570
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Speaker 1: for some reason, I think about that year and that's

571
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Speaker 1: still Luckett. I thought the helmet was a football game

572
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: against the Jeff remember that. I don't what was that now?

573
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: And okay, refresh my memory. Is Derekson's last year, the

574
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Speaker 1: Derrekson's last year, the game at New York Pitty Chester

575
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: tried to sneak into the end zone. Yes, yes, you

576
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Speaker 1: were on that game, right, Yes, I was there nine Yes,

577
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Speaker 1: ninety eight was my first year in Seattle and all

578
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Speaker 1: the way up to two thousand two, and then they

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Speaker 1: then then I got shipped up here and I've never

580
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Speaker 1: left soft softly. I thought you were gonna shay every

581
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Speaker 1: time you think about Jeff Feagles, you think about rib

582
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Speaker 1: van Winkle, thing about still Luckett. Yeah, okay, well how

583
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: about how about you? You're not exactly you know, young

584
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Speaker 1: Spring Chicken, my friend around a long time too, both

585
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Speaker 1: of you. I have. How about this Jeff in in November,

586
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: I'll have been at k for twenty five years this November.

587
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? Congratsman? Yeah? Well deserved. That is awesome.

588
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: So I guess we're gonna talk a little bit about

589
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: this Washington Huskies team loaded. You know when we look

590
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Speaker 1: I was telling Paul earlier when we came on that,

591
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Speaker 1: you know, we don't get a lot of those games

592
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: because they're on the West coast. Um. But you know,

593
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: towards the end of the season, when we knew Washington

594
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: the year that they were having. We got some of

595
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: the games, but you know, so, yeah, it looks like

596
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: a lot of good prospects. Um, talk to us a

597
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: little bit about you know what you got coming on? Well,

598
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: let's let's let's start off with the first round, because

599
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Speaker 1: my goodness, there could be as many as eight to

600
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Speaker 1: ten guys who were gonna go during the course of

601
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Speaker 1: the three days. But but who do you think are

602
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: the locks for the first round coming off the Huskies? Well,

603
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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, for sure, Yeah, without question. I mean, there's

604
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Speaker 1: there's debate about whether or not this kid is the

605
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Speaker 1: best corner in the draft. I know, I know, agreed,

606
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: he's getting some some conversation in that regard. But to me,

607
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: the conversation about Byron Murphy isn't is he a first

608
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: round draft pick? It's is he a top ten pick

609
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Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. And I don't know about you guys,

610
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: but they're starting to become a little bit of a

611
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: perception about corners and safeties that play at Washington that

612
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe inflates their draft stock a little bit.

613
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's turning into DBU in some ways on

614
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Speaker 1: the West Coast. But hey, look, man, Byron Murphy can play.

615
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: He may not be a Seahawks type defensive back for

616
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Speaker 1: for really one reason. That's because the Seahawks like taller

617
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: corners with long arms. They have not drafted, guys, how

618
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Speaker 1: about this in the in the peak Carroll John Schneider era,

619
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks have not drafted a corner was shorter than

620
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Speaker 1: thirty two in arms, and Byron's at thirty and one eight.

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Speaker 1: So he may not fit in Sea Hotto. But a

622
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Speaker 1: lot of other teams would overlook that. I mean, do

623
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Speaker 1: yourself a favor. Jump on PFF. I'm pro football, foocus,

624
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: and look at his ratings in the in that zone

625
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: coverage against the press. He can play both left and right.

626
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Speaker 1: Corner doesn't have great incredible closing speed, runs about a

627
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: four or five forty, so he's fast, but not blazing fast.

628
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Speaker 1: But he's an incredible cover corner. He may be, honestly, guys,

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Speaker 1: the best cover corner Washington has ever had. And that's

630
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Speaker 1: saying something. Well, now, let me let me let me

631
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Speaker 1: say this, softy, I I happen to agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think he sneaks into the bottom of the first round.

633
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that I go as high as

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Speaker 1: top ten. Like you said, Jeff is is touting the

635
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Speaker 1: fact that he's from Scottsdale, Arizona. Big deal, big deal,

636
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Speaker 1: big deal. It is a big deal that from Scottsdale, Arizona.

637
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Speaker 1: But but here's here's what I want to ask you.

638
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: Um when when you looked at Murphy uh in your mind?

639
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: Does does he do all the things that an NFL

640
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: secondary coach is going to ask him to do, whether

641
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: it's man, whether it's jam, whether it's press, whether it's

642
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: playing some zone, whether it's gonna come up and support

643
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: the run. I don't think anybody questions his toolbox or

644
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: his skill set. The question is how much do you

645
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: have to project him? I think he does everything really well.

646
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean yes, to answer your question is yes. And

647
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: I think you're wrong, by the way, PAULI, I love you,

648
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: you know that, but I think you're wrong about hurt

649
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: Byer Murphy gets drafted. I think it's very worth Byron

650
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: Murphy is a mid first round draft Thursday night because

651
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: he does everything really really well. Again, look at his

652
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: numbers against press. He can play press, he can play zone.

653
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: You you cannot play football for Jimmy Lake and this

654
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: secondary and not play run support as a corner. The

655
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: guy who played two years of college football, because in

656
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, this freshman year, you at Sydney Jones

657
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: and Kevin King on the field, both second round draft picks.

658
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: So this guy could not get him the field. His

659
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: very first game ever at Rutgers in two thousand seventeen,

660
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: he has two picks in his very first game. He's

661
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: only played twenty games as a college player. That he

662
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: was hurt his sophomore year, played six games in two

663
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen and fourteen games last year. But yes, he

664
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: can do everything you want to wanted to do. The

665
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: only consumer I would have potentially Paul is his height

666
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: at five ft ten. That's the only thing that would

667
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: turn me off a little bit. But the cover skills, man,

668
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: he's so damn good and coverage. He's great against the press,

669
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: he's fine against the run. To answer your question, can

670
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: you do everything a secondary coach wants? Of course he can. Yes.

671
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: Turn the tape on and watch this guy. You're wrong,

672
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: he's a mid first round draft picket worse. I didn't know,

673
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: so I didn't know. I didn't know. Softly became an

674
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: NFL agent, but obviously the Players Association has certified you.

675
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: Uh well, honestly, Greedy Williams, because of his height and length,

676
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: is getting a lot of pub as potentially the first corner.

677
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: And you understand that for absolutely, for sure, there's no

678
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: doubt about that. And one thing about fire and I

679
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: will say at this and I don't know what happened,

680
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: but he left his agent about a week ago. He

681
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: was with Doug Hendrickson, who represents a lot of guys

682
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: in the area, including you know he was he was

683
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: Mark Shawn's guy, Michael Bennetts guy, a lot of Seahawks

684
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: on the Huskies, and Taylor Wrap is with Buck Hendrickson.

685
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened there, why he left

686
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: his agent, but I'd be curious to see and hear

687
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: more about that. But yes, I would have no problem

688
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: Greedy be in the first corner. But I would be

689
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: pretty surprised if Byron Murphy was still there at number

690
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: seventeen in the back half of the first round. Okay,

691
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: so let's talk about let's talk about another stud down

692
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: there in Washington, Rent Tyler Rap the safety. Um, what

693
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: do you tell us a little bit about him? Taylor Wrap.

694
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Taylor Rap sounds like a song Taylor Wrap, or door

695
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: or or a lunch meat. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

696
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, by the way, I don't mean disrespect to him.

697
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: I just I just got that. By the way, that's

698
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: how slow my my brain works sometimes. Taylor Wrap, Taylor

699
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: egg ham and cheese wrap the go ahead, So well, listen.

700
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I just think in the end, you're talking about maybe

701
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: the best blitzing safety the Seahawks I've ever had. And

702
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of watching this lusk for the

703
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: past three years. Uh, he obviously could have come out

704
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: of the draft, or excuse me, could have stayed and

705
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: come back to you dunk for one more year. But

706
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: the draft stock we're talking second round potentially, maybe late first,

707
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: but I would say mid second round for Taylor Rap.

708
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: He did have a slow pro day a couple of

709
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: weeks ago, like you dub for his. For his pro day,

710
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: forty ran him the four sevens. And I talked to

711
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: one guy who was there watching his forty from behind,

712
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: and he said he was kind of weaving in and

713
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: out of his forty, almost like he was favoring something.

714
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: And don't forget this guy missed the rose ball against

715
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: the Ohio State he was actually shooting up for the

716
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: game and then decided not to play. So there's been

717
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: some debate up here. Was that about him being legitimately hurt?

718
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: Was that about him protecting his draft stock? Nobody really

719
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: knows what happened on that day with Taylor Wrap, but

720
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: they really missed him big time in that game against

721
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State. There was no doubt there

722
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: was a gigantic hole in that secondary with Tay of

723
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: the rap not there. Great tackler, hard hitter, incredible blitzer,

724
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: usually pretty fast except for again that Pro day performance

725
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: at Washington about a week ago. So I would have

726
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: no problem making Taylor Rapp a second round draft pick

727
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: if I'm in the NFL and looking for safety. And

728
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: by the way, he can play both free and strong.

729
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: I think he's a strong safety in the NFL, but

730
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: he has to play some free safety as well. Yeah,

731
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: I had them down for strong myself. Softy, there's someone

732
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: that I really am gonna probably debate with you on

733
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna read him higher than I think you will.

734
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: He had a heart ailment. That of course is Kelly McGarry,

735
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: the right tackle who I think outside of the medical

736
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: heart ailment question, which I know he settled at the combine,

737
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: he was able to work out and and he checked

738
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: out in every way, shape and form. I think he's

739
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: a prototype right tackle and I truly believe that he

740
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: would be a terrific pick and maybe even the second

741
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: round for somebody. Most of the draft books I see

742
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: think he's a third or fourth round guy. But I

743
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: like him. How about the Giants? We need a right

744
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: tackle right well. First of all, if anybody is calling

745
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: cayleb McGary a fourth or a fifth round draft bit,

746
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. All right, that's just some he's not paying it. Hey,

747
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Jack, I'm with you. And I talked

748
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: to him at the Combine and what a great attitude

749
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: as well. And he's a hulk of a human being.

750
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: Awesome kid, awesome kid. I've known him obviously since his

751
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: high school days. He went to high school jeff Here

752
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: in Takoma at Fights High School, and could have gone

753
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: anywhere in American and chose to play at Washington. His

754
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: story is really a great one. When he was younger,

755
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: his parents house burned down and they had to move

756
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: into an RV for a while. He had the heart

757
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: helment as you talked about, he thought there was a

758
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: chance he man to give up football, But that was

759
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: three or four years ago. I mean, all those things

760
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: were in his past, and Kayla McGarry. The one thing

761
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: about him that people don't realize. He was playing alongside

762
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: a red shirt freshman guard the entire years. Remember the

763
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: name Dean Kirkland. Does that name bring a bell? Former

764
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: Washington player? Yeah, because I lived there, so yeah, his

765
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: son Jack's exactly his son, Jackson Kirkland sears you how

766
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: old we're getting, by the way. His son was the

767
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: right guard for you, Doug last year as the red

768
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: freshton from him. McGary did not have much experience next

769
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: to him the entire year, and any time his name

770
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: strew it out, any time he made a mistake, any

771
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: time he popped off the page for doing something wrong,

772
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: it was a shock to the system. You guys know,

773
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: right tackles and left tackles are like umpires in baseball.

774
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: You only noticed them when they do something wrong. Caleb McGary,

775
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: you barely noticed him in four years of Washington. That's

776
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: how consistent he was. So Paul, I totally agree with you.

777
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: I think people are talking about this guy. He's a

778
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: mid round draft pick or off the freaking rocker. There's

779
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: a chance this guy could be a late first round

780
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: draft pick if got an early second round pick. I

781
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: think he's one of the best right tackles in the

782
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: in the draft for sure. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm a

783
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: big fan softie, and he's a bruiser and and he

784
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: just muscles people. As you say, he is so grateful

785
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: to even have a chance to play prow ball and

786
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: to make the kind of money he's gonna make after

787
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: where he's come from. I don't think you can go

788
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: wrong with this guy as a right tackle. Now, make

789
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: no mistake, he's not the most athletic and agile guy,

790
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: so I don't see him as a left tackle. But

791
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: as a right tackle, he's gonna bruise people. So anyway, well,

792
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: he's just Yeah. I mean this first of all, going

793
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: back to your your your your take on his attitude.

794
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes we in this business throw things out

795
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: there like that. It's a great kid, he's an awesome dude,

796
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: and it really doesn't matter if they can't play. Kayla

797
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: mcgeary will work his ass off for whatever or because

798
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: of his background, because of where he came from. You're

799
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: never gonna read about Kayla McGary in the newspaper for

800
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: the wrong reason. Ever, he will be a sixteen game

801
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: starter for you. He will bust his butt, he will

802
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: play a decade the NFL, and he will never be

803
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: in trouble. He will be a great teammate. There'll be

804
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: a great leader, They'll be great with the media. He

805
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: really is everything you want in the right tackle man.

806
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: There's no question about it all. I love this guy. Yeah,

807
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I just feel like the Giants need well,

808
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: there's no depth at right tackled. I know you don't

809
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: know a lot about the roster and the Giants, but

810
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: they definitely need someone like this, a guy that they

811
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: can they can count on that they're not gonna have

812
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: to draft in the first round. Um. The Giants do

813
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: have two first round draft picks. Um, and they also

814
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: what's the second one? You know, maybe he's a guy

815
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: that the Giants can look at, you know, just from

816
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: that that type of perspective, I guess we gotta go

817
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: now to the next one. Maybe Drew Sample talked a

818
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: little bit about him. The big tight end got to

819
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: see him play a little bit, and uh, he's he's

820
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: he seems like a pretty tough dude. Your local kid

821
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: went to Newport High School right here in Bellevue, just

822
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: across the water from from Seattle, so he's grown up

823
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: in this area his entire life. Great blocker, soft hands,

824
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: wasn't really a gigantic part of the offense the last

825
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: couple of years, but they really ran the crap out

826
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: of the ball with Miles Gaskin, you know, going for

827
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: more yards than anybody else in the history of packed

828
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: well football, and he was the all time meeting a

829
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: rusher at Washington said they remember, we're in one first

830
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: football team. But I mean, look I I look at

831
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: the success of a guy like Will Disley where the

832
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Seahawks took a year ago, and he was about ready

833
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: to blow up as a pass catcher before he got hurt.

834
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: I think Drew Sample is the same kind of thing

835
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: under used in collars because he wasn't a gigantic part

836
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: of the passing game because of how much they ran

837
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: the ball. But you give this guy a shot. He's

838
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: got soft hands, he runs great routes, he's a good kid,

839
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: doesn't have great speed, but you know that's a tight

840
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: end to who cares about that. But he's willing to

841
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: do everything we just got done. Guys in Seattle watch him,

842
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham being unwilling to block anybody. Okay, So I

843
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: have now really kind of come to uh appreciate the

844
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: willingness of a guy like Drew Sample to block in

845
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: the run game and a guy who can get out

846
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: in the seam and catch passes. So you know, fifth

847
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: round draft pick maybe amid the late round draft pick

848
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: Drew Sample, Uh, definitely a guy that I think it's

849
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: worth taking a flyer on late in the draft if

850
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: you do have a need for a backup tight end.

851
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: For see, they probably have soften. Is it you're dating yourself?

852
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: See the tight ends of the of the past are

853
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: the guys that you'd like to see block. None of

854
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: those guys block anymore. So forget that out of your mind.

855
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: Don't you know what's funny to throw back? This guy

856
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: will block, Will Disley, the Seahawks will Here's what's funny.

857
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: Guys play for us now will block. There are longer

858
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: guys that will block, I will tell you now softly

859
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: and Jeff from being at the combine for three days.

860
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: What I have found is that this crop of tight ends,

861
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: these rookies coming into the league, it's probably the most

862
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: block centric group of tight ends that we've seen drafted

863
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: in the last decade. Because guys got away from that.

864
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: This draft has a bunch of blocking tight ends. Hallelujah,

865
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: they finally got back to old school football. Let me

866
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: just throw this at ship because Jeff, Jeff, I think

867
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: you're right in a lot of ways that hey, look,

868
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody grows up dreaming about being a blocking

869
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: tight end right and hopefully grows up staying I want

870
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: to be a long snopper or a freaking you know,

871
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: uh run blocking tight end. I'm not sure how many

872
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: kids grow up even wanting to be a putter, for

873
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: crying out loud, but there are kids that do. So

874
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: this is a great path to the NFL for kids

875
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: like that. To be an example, George Fan who plays

876
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: for russ now okay, he played basketball at Western Kentucky.

877
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: The Seahawks sign him, is a free legion and he's

878
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: in the career in the NFL as a blocker, as

879
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: a tight end and as a right tackle. Because he's

880
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: willing to put his head into somebody else's set. So

881
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: I think that's a great path for guys like Crew

882
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: Sample and they know the only way you're gonna survive

883
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Drew a few people. He gets that

884
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: and he's willing to do it. And a lot of teams,

885
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: a lot of teams obviously they need the minimum three

886
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: tight ends. You gotta have at least one of those

887
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: guys like a Drew Sample that can be with that

888
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna put his put his head in somebody

889
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: else's chest. Not all three of them on the roster

890
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: can be there that you're split, they split them outside

891
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: and be athletic like Jimmy Grahant that never wants you

892
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: gotta have one of those guys. So that's a good thing. Alright,

893
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: soft Day, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna

894
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: give you four names who are probably you know, late

895
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: third day selections. But give me a thumbnail, a quick thumbnail.

896
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: You don't have to go as expressive or expansive on

897
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: these guys you mentioned. Miles Gaskins the running back before Gaskin,

898
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: Jordan Miller of the corner, Greg Gains the defensive tackle,

899
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: and Ben Burke ber Curvin the line. Yeah, benber Kurvin

900
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: was the player of the year in the packed Well,

901
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: He's just a tackling, freaking machine. He's one of those

902
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: underrated guys. Guys don't look at white linebackers anymore. Is

903
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: you know real attractive players. I think you know near

904
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. But benber Curvin was fast

905
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: as hell. He was one of the faster players on

906
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: this Washington team a year ago, and nobody looks at

907
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: that because he's a white guy. He was fast as

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: hell last year. To check out his forty time number two.

909
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Miller at the Husky Combine a year ago put

910
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: up numbers that would have been top two or three

911
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: for his position at the NFL Combine. The vert the

912
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: freaking forty everythingless guy does reeks of Atlanticism. He got

913
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: banged up a year or till the Arizona State and

914
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: was never able to really recover that. So I'm curious

915
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: to see if that recovery continues, if he can get

916
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 1: back to those numbers. Greg Gaines would be a little

917
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: bit concerned about because a penguin has longer arms than

918
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: Gregg Locker as far as you know, taking up gaps

919
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: as a defensive lineman, great run stuff for he's never

920
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a real third down guy, never gonna be

921
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: a threat to go after the quarterback because his arms

922
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: are so freaking short. So I mean, look, all these

923
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: guys have talent and they have great work ethics because

924
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: they play for Chris Peterson. But the one guy in

925
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: that group that we talked about that I would like

926
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: to those three guys is Ben berg Kervan I B

927
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: B K has has special teams demon written all over him.

928
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: He's got backup linebacker written all over him. He's smart,

929
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: he's instinctive, and again he's fastest. Hell check out his

930
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: forty time. You'll be blown away. Yeah, he'll, he'll be

931
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: a guy. He'll he'll he'll. Those scouts they find these

932
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: kind of guys, they really do, because you know what,

933
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: the bottom of your roster has got to be filled

934
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: with guys like Ben. That's what it is. He's a

935
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: four or five six forty guy. Okay, athletic and you

936
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: said he's all over the place. That's your special teams

937
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: captain stud right there. And also that's a guy that

938
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: can maybe eventually move into a starting lineup when all

939
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden you show his intangibles and the coaching

940
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: staff just falls in love with this guy. Well, one

941
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: of the things I would compare him, by the way,

942
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: and this is probably unfair because they get out comparing

943
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: a white guy to a white guy. But I'm talking

944
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: about a guy that really did not get a ton

945
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: of you know, attention here and see how No, but

946
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: he was a great special teams guy for us. And

947
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: that's the guy named m Barwell. It was now a

948
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: special team's coach and Buffalo with the Bills and there

949
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: was a great special teams great red zone guy, great

950
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: goal line goal guy, great tackler. It was just steady

951
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's the kind of guy ben Berg Curvenes.

952
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: He's just steady. Yeah. Smart, sounds like he's an intelligent

953
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: guy too. And you need those guys. Final question for

954
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: me softly before we let you go. Uh, we have

955
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: now talked about almost ten guys who have a shot

956
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: to make an NFL roster this season. I mean that

957
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: that's a very large group for a team that did

958
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: not play in the National Championship Game. Okay, what is

959
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: it about the Husky staff? Are they as concentrated on

960
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: making these guys pro prospects as they are winning their games.

961
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: We've talked to a bunch of people around the country

962
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: this year when we've addressed the college prospects, and most

963
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: of them they're they're all talking about and rightfully so,

964
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: how the head coaches at the n C double level,

965
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: NC double A level. And I talked about this all

966
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: the time. They're trying to appease the sponsors, the alumni,

967
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: the donors. They're trying to win games to save their jobs.

968
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: They're not so much interested and how am I gonna

969
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: prep a guy to play in the NFL. But then

970
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: every once in a while we talked to somebody who

971
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: says this coaching staff prep the guy for the NFL.

972
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: In fact, we just heard Yester yesterday, I think it

973
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: was we we were told that the Delaware coaching staff

974
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: moved the seer Adderale from cornerback to safety because they

975
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna be in NFL safety and they

976
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: wanted to prep him for the pro level. You don't

977
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: get that very much. So what is it about the

978
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Huskies coaching staff? What is their mentality about sending these

979
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: guys off into the pro ranks? Right? It's it's a

980
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: huge part of what they do, and they embraced it.

981
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: I was talking to the defensive coordinator last week and

982
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: I talked about, you know, how much he as sell

983
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: the NFL when it comes to corners and safety. He says,

984
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: every single day you walk over to you dub here

985
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: to Washington's campus, and they have a brand new facility

986
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: here and they've got you know, stuff all over the walls,

987
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, regarding who's playing in the NFL and and

988
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: who you know who just got drafted. So they really

989
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: embraced that. They promoted and for example, Kayla McGarry came

990
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: here as a defensive lineman. He's now gonna be potentially

991
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick at right tackle. We've seen

992
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: Will Disley was a defensive lineman and is now in

993
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: Seattle with the Seahawks as a tight end. So they

994
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: really do a great job of putting guys in position

995
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: where they can thrive not just for Washington, but also

996
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: make a jump to the pro ranks. Because, let's let's

997
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: face it, guys, every player on this Washington roster, maybe

998
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: with the exception of walk On, is all the eighty

999
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: five scholarship guys. They were all stars in high school

1000
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: every single one of them wants to play in the NFL.

1001
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: Come to Washington and they will put you in the NFL. Andy,

1002
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: by the way, it's part a little stuff about the

1003
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: alumni and the donors and all that stuff. Chris from

1004
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: Pumont loves a crap about teams like that. He just

1005
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: wants to coach football, win games and be left the

1006
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: hell alone. Great stuff. Let me ask you, you know,

1007
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: I sure to hell hope that that new and that

1008
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: new facility is indoors in Washington, because I gotta tell

1009
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: you something. When we came out of the Dome and

1010
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: they were building the new stadium, we went over there

1011
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: to play at you dubbed for two years. I will

1012
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: never forget the first year that we were at the

1013
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: University of Washington, the Seahawks playing in that stadium right

1014
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: off the water to right you had, yeah, went off

1015
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: the water. The two preseason games, it rained, the eighth

1016
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: regular season games, it raked ten games in a row.

1017
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: It rained for those games. So I'm just kind of

1018
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: busting on it. I just remember those days back there,

1019
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: and it was just it was miserable. I was playing

1020
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: in that stadium. I'll tell you, Jeff, let me tell you, man,

1021
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: would we would love this new facility. I am literally

1022
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: as I'm talking to you, guys, I just got out

1023
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: of a car that I'm literally standing right outside Husky

1024
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: Stadium as we speak, right now, right underneath the East

1025
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: Ends own, looking at the practice field right next to

1026
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Lake Washington. This facility they have here is amazing. It's

1027
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: nicer than the Seahawks facility at the v MAC and

1028
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: rent and their locker room and their weight room and

1029
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: their training facilities. Is nicer than in the NFL at

1030
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: their practice facility. So if you're ever out here, man,

1031
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: let me know, well, you gotta have that. You gotta

1032
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: have that these days with these college athletes. I'm telling

1033
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 1: you all right. That is Softy Mailer of KJR Radio, Seattle. Softy,

1034
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: it is great to talk to you again. You'll be

1035
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: well and stay dry you guys. Thank you, Softy. Take care.

1036
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: Man talking Huskies football and man o man, do they

1037
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: have a plethora of talent coming out of that program?

1038
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: He does? He does? Are you sure he's not Italian?

1039
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: Let's go back to our phone lines two oh one

1040
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: five one three. Scott is online four out in New Mexico. Hello,

1041
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: Hi guys, how you doing to h question for you,

1042
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm still a big proponent of taking Haskins with the

1043
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: sixth round pick. I won't go into the details of why,

1044
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: but say that doesn't happen and the Giants do get

1045
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: U defensive edge, Russia or alignment, the seventeenth round pick

1046
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: becomes really important overall. You're not talking around, You're talking overall,

1047
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: but we get what you're going at. Go ahead, right? Uh?

1048
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: Is it a stretch the provided he's still there? Uh,

1049
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: that the Giants might look at DK Metcalf as the

1050
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: seventeenth round pick. And I have my reasons why. One

1051
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: of them is my confidence in Golden Tate. I know

1052
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of stories, you know how how

1053
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: good he is, and he was great in Seattle and

1054
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: in Detroit, but the last half of this season in

1055
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: Philadelphia he had less than three hundred receiving yards and

1056
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: he only had one touchdown catch. I know he had

1057
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: one in the playoffs, but that was it. And he's

1058
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: thirty one. So I'm wondering if the Giants would take

1059
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: a flyer provided that DK Metcalf is available, cause I'm

1060
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: not sure he will be with the seventeen round pick.

1061
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense from either of your perspectives that he

1062
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: might be a choice. And I know that the weaknesses

1063
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: that have been proclaimed about him, but I think they're

1064
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 1: they're coachable, and if he looked at his pro day,

1065
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: they he sort of maybe answered a lot of questions

1066
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: about his route running and so forth. So I wanted

1067
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: to get your perspective on that particular pick based on

1068
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: the scenario that exists with the Giants today. All right, Scott,

1069
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna let you go and listen in on the web.

1070
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: I'll let Jeff discuss metcalf. I will tell you what

1071
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: I've heard about Tate in Philadelphia. When he got there, Uh,

1072
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: it was a bit slow picking up the playbook because

1073
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: it was vastly different from where he had come from. Then,

1074
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: on top of that, once he did, there wasn't enough

1075
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: of familiarity with the quarterback, and he had his other

1076
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: guys who are already his favorite receive eabras him getting

1077
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: things done. So as a result, he was not nearly

1078
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: much involved in the offense as one would think, or

1079
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: one would estimate his talent to be. So do not

1080
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: look at Golden Tate's numbers and say that that's reflective

1081
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: of him now being over the hill, that would be

1082
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: a mistake. Yeah. I just think that, you know, he's

1083
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: got a little bit of time to get in that

1084
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: playbook now and get a little bit of the offseason

1085
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: going with Eli Manning. I think he's going to be

1086
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: a tremendous access to this team. I think he's gonna

1087
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of help for Sterling Shepherd because of

1088
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: the veteran presence there, and now Sterling doesn't have to

1089
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: worry about a contract anymore. He can just go out

1090
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: and play football. DK Metcalf is a guy that you

1091
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: know what this all goes about philosophy again, Paul and

1092
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: we talk about this all the time. If for some

1093
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: reason that guy drops down to the seventeen pick, not

1094
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: the seventeenth round, Scott, as you were saying, um, seventeen

1095
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: rounds that might have been there might have been seventeen

1096
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: rounds when I was coming out of college. But it's

1097
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: to the point where if he's there, you're taking them,

1098
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: you take and the guy at that type of of

1099
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: of of you know, you're taking a guy with that

1100
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: type of talent. Now, he's very good vertically and John

1101
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: and I actually we did a breakdown on him a

1102
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, we had somebody on here that was

1103
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: talking about DK Metcalf. His lateral speed is not the greatest,

1104
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: but he's a freakish athlete. He's a big dude, and

1105
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: he can get up and down the field, and he

1106
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: can get he can get out on top of those

1107
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: safeties and corners. That's what you like about someone like that.

1108
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: I would also offer one more thing. As you were talking,

1109
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: it kind of hit my mind, Golden Tate. You can

1110
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: compare him to a Chris Callaway type receiver. You remember

1111
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: Chris former Steeler who came to the Giants, very very smart,

1112
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: terrific route runner. Uh, it's tough, will block for the run,

1113
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: get some yards after the cat, deceptively deceptive in his

1114
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: in his yack yardage Chris Callaway type. Anyway, we go

1115
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: back to the phones line three from Mike in Boston.

1116
00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 1: You're next on the show. Mike, Hey, Hey, Hi, all right,

1117
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I'll make it quick. It's actually a good cool um

1118
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: because a lot of the points wanted to talk about

1119
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: have kind of come up. Um with the sixth pick.

1120
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: I know you guys were talking earlier. It would be

1121
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: nice to see one of those top three drops. I

1122
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: particularly like Josh Allen. Um I wanted a lot of

1123
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: people there. Um you had mentioned the possibility if two

1124
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go ahead right of number six. But another possibility

1125
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: is that Oliver who could go top five, and that

1126
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: could make one of those three guys drops. Yeah, that's

1127
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: a realistic And there was that. There was a mock

1128
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: draft somebody just came out with they actually had Ed

1129
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: Oliver going to the Jets at number three. So then

1130
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: there you go. You go, I think what you need,

1131
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: what you want. If you're the Giants and you're salivating

1132
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: for one of those three defensive guys who are in

1133
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: the elite category, you need the two quarterbacks to go

1134
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: in the top five, or you need an offensive lineman

1135
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: a tackle to go in the top five, or you

1136
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: need Ed Oliver. You're absolutely right. He's the other possibility

1137
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: who could sneak into the top five and then drop

1138
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 1: one of those three big guys down to the Giants.

1139
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Oliver one of the tackles, uh and

1140
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: and the two quarterbacks have to go agree, right, So

1141
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: we don't control our destiny, but there's a good chance. Hey,

1142
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: but you don't what I I got no problem taking

1143
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: sweat or Ferrell at six. Trust me, I throw a

1144
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: pizza party for either one of those guys. Yeah. Well,

1145
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: here's what I wanted to mention with the seven teams though,

1146
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: And it was interesting what the previous call of brought up,

1147
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: which became metcalf Um. Just from a scize perspective, it

1148
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: seems like metcalf is a similar size to Evan England, right,

1149
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: and both very good athletes. Um. I know, Paul, you're

1150
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: a big fan of that back shoulders throw and understandably so,

1151
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: I would love to see Um Ingram have a breakout

1152
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: year where he really you know, uh is able to

1153
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: make that part of his repertoire. What I would actually

1154
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: like to see is at the seventeen if it I

1155
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: don't even know if you know this would would happen

1156
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: if but if T J. Hockenson is available, who's a

1157
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: blocking tight end, Um, it would be nice, right Allison,

1158
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: I think has two years left under his contract, but

1159
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: to get that traditional tight end and then I don't

1160
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be there, have an Ingram with four

1161
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: speed that would to me, you know, be a nice combination.

1162
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: If I think people are calling him a top you know, yeah,

1163
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: he's not going to be I'd be shocked if he's

1164
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: at seventeen. I really would. Yeah, he's one of my

1165
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: guys where I think somebody maybe goes up and gets

1166
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: him to the fact that, you know what, thank guy

1167
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: that we only got three minutes or two minutes left

1168
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: in the show, because when you start talking about back

1169
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: shoulder throws, I don't want to get into it with

1170
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: Paul Latino. He is he will talk an hour on

1171
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: back from shoulder throws and how the Giants don't utilize

1172
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: it enough, and right, Paul like to back change me

1173
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: to no end We've had, We've had We've had this

1174
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: discussion off the air so many times about it and

1175
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: how effective it can be and why did the teams

1176
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: don't run it? And why did the Giants don't run?

1177
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that Evan Ingram can have one

1178
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: of those breakout years if they incorporate that throw into

1179
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: his repertoire. Oh my goodness, you can't, you can't, can't

1180
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: cover it. Look, I'm gonna tell you what. There are

1181
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of six ft three skyscraping wide receivers who

1182
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: will be available in day three. I would recommend you

1183
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: just let Ingram do what he's doing down the seam

1184
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: and draft one of those very competent wide receivers on

1185
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: the third day, maybe in the sixth round, even fifth round,

1186
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: sixth round, and that guy can be your back shoulder

1187
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: throw specialist. He Metcalf to me because of his fluidity

1188
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: and lack of agility. I know he's got straight ahead speed.

1189
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: The back shoulder throw is not gonna work for him

1190
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: because I don't think his his lower body agility works

1191
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: well for that got everything out in front of him.

1192
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: You know, you he's got to go straight down the field,

1193
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: and you ask him to start making smooths in a

1194
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: small box, I think you're asking for trouble. There is

1195
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a very crowded space for that wide receiver

1196
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: slots this year, because you know, they just signed a

1197
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: bunch of guys back to the roster from Black last year.

1198
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: Everybody's back except for Backham. There you go. So I

1199
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: think that it'll be interesting, very interesting. But thank you

1200
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: for the call. Appreciate it. Oh, go ahead quickly, Yeah, alright,

1201
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. Oh. I was gonna say just

1202
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: just two other things. With Mattcalf. I think he's a

1203
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: little bit risky. We had that David Wilson injury years

1204
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: ago with the knack, and I'm just not sold on

1205
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: on that whole situation. But the other thing to um,

1206
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: just as far as the ability to block and the

1207
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: reason why I like, uh this, uh this, the Hockinson

1208
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: as a tight end when you look at what Gronk

1209
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: has been able to do now, granted twenty pounds heavier,

1210
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, but just in terms of blocking in the

1211
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you didn't see him much running round. That's

1212
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: because Sony Michelle was running the ball and we're turning

1213
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: into the run heavy offense. And to have a guy

1214
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: who can add to your offensive line and add support

1215
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: that way. I know we keep talking about the right

1216
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: tackle and we do need to fill that spot, but

1217
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: to add a really good sucking tight end who can

1218
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: also receive, I think that would be a slam dunk.

1219
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: If a guy like him was available, and the other

1220
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: tight end that might be targeted by Green Bay or

1221
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: some of these others might be no, he might go higher.

1222
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: I remember a few years ago when we drafted ingram O. J.

1223
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: Howard was a big talk David Joku and those guys.

1224
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: I was guy, Yeah, here's what I'll tell you we

1225
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: did give you. We did give you a little more

1226
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: time to add to your points. We gotta run. Here's

1227
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: what I would say, because there are suddenly a lot

1228
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: of blocking tight ends coming out of school this year,

1229
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: you could probably get one of those again on the

1230
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: third day and not have to spend such a high

1231
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: pick to grab a blocking tight end if you really

1232
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: feel you need to go get one. I personally think

1233
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: Ellison could do the job. I think he can too.

1234
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: I think I don't think you need to go waste

1235
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: the draft pick on that. I would rather see. I

1236
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: don't mean the word waste the draft pick. I would

1237
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: rather I would like you to utilize that type of

1238
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: a draft pick on the defense. Go get some depth

1239
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football. UM totally read

1240
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: it on that one. He is Jeff Eagles. I'm Paul Detino.

1241
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,080
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