WEBVTT - Minneapolis 0:00:15.210 --> 0:00:27.130 Pushkin. Hello, Hi, my wife, Hi, my husband. How are you. 0:00:28.930 --> 0:00:29.690 I'm getting through? 0:00:30.050 --> 0:00:34.409 Yeah, so you wanted to talk I did. 0:00:34.610 --> 0:00:36.490 I feel like we haven't had much of a chance 0:00:36.530 --> 0:00:39.690 to connect over the last couple of weeks because there's 0:00:39.730 --> 0:00:41.010 been a lot going on here. 0:00:42.010 --> 0:00:46.010 Here is Minneapolis, where I live, and the epicenter of 0:00:46.050 --> 0:00:50.610 what the Trump administration is calling Operation Metro Surge. Since 0:00:50.610 --> 0:00:53.770 it all began with the regular business of work, childcare 0:00:53.930 --> 0:00:56.730 and running a household, Emily and I haven't really had 0:00:56.730 --> 0:00:59.570 a chance to sit down and actually talk. I knew 0:00:59.610 --> 0:01:02.010 she had a lot she wanted to tell me, so 0:01:02.090 --> 0:01:04.050 I asked her to start at the beginning. 0:01:05.170 --> 0:01:10.450 On Wednesday, January seventh, I had dropped Aggie EF at school, 0:01:11.090 --> 0:01:14.410 and I was driving down thirty six, which is a 0:01:14.450 --> 0:01:14.929 one way. 0:01:15.690 --> 0:01:18.290 There were I don't know. 0:01:18.250 --> 0:01:21.410 If it was six or eight vehicles. 0:01:21.370 --> 0:01:24.850 Coming directly toward me, going the wrong way down a 0:01:24.890 --> 0:01:28.370 one way at full speed, and I really thought I 0:01:28.410 --> 0:01:31.650 was going to have a head on collision. Then they 0:01:31.810 --> 0:01:35.610 just suddenly stopped, and then a bunch of men started 0:01:35.730 --> 0:01:38.850 running out of the cars and they were all masked 0:01:39.290 --> 0:01:43.810 and all the vehicles were unmarked. My brain just wasn't 0:01:43.970 --> 0:01:47.490 connecting what was happening? And then I saw two women 0:01:48.250 --> 0:01:58.450 running toward this scene with whistles, and then somewhere in 0:01:58.490 --> 0:02:01.490 my head it clicked like, oh, this is an ice raid. 0:02:03.410 --> 0:02:06.690 I didn't even know exactly what that meant, but I 0:02:06.890 --> 0:02:10.970 just felt so clearly like something wrong is happening, and 0:02:11.049 --> 0:02:15.730 so I parked and I jumped out. I ran up 0:02:16.609 --> 0:02:19.650 to the building and they were all pulling away the 0:02:19.730 --> 0:02:22.450 woman who had a really little, like five pound dog. 0:02:22.770 --> 0:02:25.690 One of the ice agents just swerved right at the dog, 0:02:30.330 --> 0:02:34.210 and I was really emotional because I was still had 0:02:34.210 --> 0:02:37.050 a lot of adrenaline. I was pending on the one 0:02:37.090 --> 0:02:40.890 when they almost hit Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the 0:02:40.890 --> 0:02:48.130 women there hugged me and she just kept saying, no, 0:02:48.370 --> 0:02:48.570 I know. 0:02:48.730 --> 0:02:50.010 I said, who do they think they are? 0:02:51.890 --> 0:02:52.850 Who do they think they are? 0:02:53.570 --> 0:02:55.330 Oh my gosh, it's just too much. 0:02:58.090 --> 0:03:01.810 I mean that's when everything just like exploded. 0:03:02.690 --> 0:03:05.530 I got home, and you know, I. 0:03:05.490 --> 0:03:09.970 Had news on the background, and I saw that a 0:03:10.090 --> 0:03:15.610 woman had been shot dead, and that turned out later 0:03:15.690 --> 0:03:19.650 that this was Renee Good and she had just dropped 0:03:19.650 --> 0:03:24.370 her kid off from school too. She was shot about 0:03:24.570 --> 0:03:29.050 forty minutes after I had that encounter, about. 0:03:30.370 --> 0:03:35.610 Four blocks away. I don't know. 0:03:37.090 --> 0:03:40.650 I went to the vigil that night. Okay, there were 0:03:40.850 --> 0:03:43.930 a lot of people there. I think everybody there really 0:03:43.930 --> 0:03:45.450 felt an obligation. 0:03:45.530 --> 0:03:46.130 To be there. 0:03:48.610 --> 0:03:51.210 While I was there, I got a text from Katie, 0:03:51.410 --> 0:03:56.210 my sister, telling me that ice had showed up at 0:03:56.250 --> 0:04:01.850 Theo's school. THEO is her fourteen year old nephew, and 0:04:01.930 --> 0:04:07.250 that they had pepper sprayed a crowd of teachers and students. 0:04:07.970 --> 0:04:11.770 So she texted me that and then wrote, I have 0:04:11.850 --> 0:04:16.970 no idea how to process this with my child? 0:04:17.210 --> 0:04:18.610 Learn what ice was the thing? 0:04:18.969 --> 0:04:20.890 When did you learn that ice was a thing? 0:04:21.210 --> 0:04:22.890 I don't do you remember now? 0:04:23.289 --> 0:04:23.529 Do you? 0:04:24.289 --> 0:04:24.970 And Aggie? 0:04:25.250 --> 0:04:29.170 You know, Aggie's nine, and so it's that's been one 0:04:29.169 --> 0:04:31.810 of the really hard things here is to know what 0:04:31.849 --> 0:04:35.890 do you tell your kid. I've been trying to talk 0:04:35.929 --> 0:04:40.089 to him about it just as honestly as possible, with 0:04:40.369 --> 0:04:46.250 trying to emphasize you know that he's safe. But even 0:04:46.250 --> 0:04:49.770 if he is safe, there's a lot of kids right 0:04:49.810 --> 0:04:56.490 now around this city his age who aren't. And that's 0:04:56.810 --> 0:04:57.850 how do you explain that? 0:04:58.409 --> 0:05:02.689 You know, you told Aggie about Renee Good? 0:05:03.049 --> 0:05:05.009 Yes, and what was that like? 0:05:06.369 --> 0:05:10.609 I first told him that a woman had been shot 0:05:11.250 --> 0:05:17.769 by ice. Then the next day, Julian came over and Eli, 0:05:17.929 --> 0:05:21.809 Julian's dad said something to me about, oh, and you 0:05:22.169 --> 0:05:25.089 encountered them that morning in front of Aggie. 0:05:25.130 --> 0:05:28.489 And so then Aggi was like, wait, what you're head 0:05:28.609 --> 0:05:29.010 right now? 0:05:29.089 --> 0:05:32.089 Yeah, I'm okay, Umber. 0:05:32.169 --> 0:05:34.369 You wouldn't have stopped if I was in the garden. 0:05:34.570 --> 0:05:43.010 No, no, And we talked about it for a couple 0:05:43.049 --> 0:05:46.770 of minutes and then he said, okay, I think I 0:05:46.810 --> 0:05:47.569 think we need. 0:05:47.369 --> 0:05:50.929 To stop talking about this now. And so I respected 0:05:50.929 --> 0:05:52.930 that and stopped talking about it. 0:05:55.330 --> 0:05:59.450 So then the Thursday and Friday after Rene Good was killed, 0:05:59.929 --> 0:06:05.770 schools were canceled across the city because it just wasn't safe. 0:06:05.969 --> 0:06:08.089 I stayed home with Aggi and some of his friends 0:06:08.130 --> 0:06:12.210 came over, and you know, throughout the day we would 0:06:12.289 --> 0:06:15.209 be player, the kids would be playing, and they would 0:06:15.250 --> 0:06:18.969 just they'd be fine, and then they would say, it's 0:06:19.010 --> 0:06:21.089 so sad, like this is so sad that I was 0:06:21.169 --> 0:06:21.969 murdered somebody. 0:06:22.289 --> 0:06:24.289 This is what Aggie's friends are saying. 0:06:24.529 --> 0:06:24.890 Yeah. 0:06:24.969 --> 0:06:29.409 Yeah, And I actually have a really clear memory that 0:06:29.529 --> 0:06:33.290 day we were working with the hot Glugu and Julian 0:06:33.729 --> 0:06:39.249 somehow cut his hand, and the concern that they all 0:06:39.330 --> 0:06:42.969 just sort of rallied around him and were so worried 0:06:43.010 --> 0:06:43.930 about his hand. 0:06:44.529 --> 0:06:47.609 Julian, Yeah, he's like the mister tough guy. 0:06:47.810 --> 0:06:48.089 I know. 0:06:48.489 --> 0:06:51.849 And then there was this moment after I bandaged it 0:06:51.929 --> 0:06:54.890 up that we all have never had a moment with 0:06:54.969 --> 0:06:57.089 the boys like this where we all sort of like 0:06:57.169 --> 0:06:57.929 hugged each other. 0:06:58.169 --> 0:06:59.810 The boys went for this, they allowed this. 0:07:00.210 --> 0:07:02.890 Yeah, And I do think it was just like this. 0:07:02.849 --> 0:07:06.849 Moment of vulnerability that we were all feeling such a weight, 0:07:07.210 --> 0:07:09.810 you know that it just a lot us to have 0:07:09.850 --> 0:07:11.250 this moment of coming together. 0:07:11.330 --> 0:07:12.290 It was really beautiful. 0:07:12.850 --> 0:07:13.129 Wow. 0:07:14.210 --> 0:07:18.130 I mean everything is completely overwhelming, but you still have 0:07:18.210 --> 0:07:21.210 to eat, you still have to walk the dog, and 0:07:21.489 --> 0:07:25.129 you know, kids are still kids. That next morning, I 0:07:25.210 --> 0:07:28.410 was laying in bed and Aggie came in wearing a 0:07:28.489 --> 0:07:35.170 captain's hat and a suit jacket and started wrapping about yachts. 0:07:37.330 --> 0:07:42.370 Yas I want for my birthday. Yah, I can get it. 0:07:42.450 --> 0:07:43.850 Cookie Vaca yachts. 0:07:44.410 --> 0:07:48.610 You're really right, Yes, it was all about going on 0:07:48.690 --> 0:07:50.530 yachts and having cookie vacs. 0:07:51.130 --> 0:07:53.210 I have a cookie vaca right now. 0:07:58.570 --> 0:07:59.810 I wanted from my birthday. 0:07:59.890 --> 0:08:00.250 Yats. 0:08:00.970 --> 0:08:04.690 You don't need to do back yachts Tuesday. 0:08:05.369 --> 0:08:08.410 This is Tuesday, the thirteenth, less than a week since 0:08:09.730 --> 0:08:13.970 Renee Good had been killed once again. I had dropped 0:08:14.010 --> 0:08:17.650 Aggie off at school and I was driving home and 0:08:17.929 --> 0:08:22.290 suddenly all these vehicles start swarming around my car and 0:08:22.330 --> 0:08:25.929 I'm a little bit boxed in, and then I started 0:08:25.970 --> 0:08:31.210 hearing the whistles, and so I decide to get out. 0:08:33.530 --> 0:08:37.970 There's ice agents all over. They're going up to an 0:08:38.010 --> 0:08:41.530 apartment building yelling you got to open up the door, 0:08:43.250 --> 0:08:48.130 and you know, the crowd is slowly growing, but pretty quiet. 0:08:48.490 --> 0:08:53.130 And then they come out of the apartment building and 0:08:53.210 --> 0:08:58.730 they have two guys who to me looked like children, 0:08:59.330 --> 0:09:00.530 early twenties. 0:09:00.130 --> 0:09:02.929 At the oldest. But I'd be surprised if it was 0:09:02.970 --> 0:09:03.330 even that. 0:09:04.410 --> 0:09:07.570 One of them is wearing a T shirt and shorts, 0:09:07.650 --> 0:09:10.730 even though it's you know, it's very cold outside. 0:09:10.890 --> 0:09:12.010 I mean it's so cold. 0:09:12.090 --> 0:09:14.650 It's the kind of cold that you know, you take 0:09:14.690 --> 0:09:17.130 your gloves off for a few seconds and your fingers 0:09:17.250 --> 0:09:20.290 just really hurt, Like it is hard to be outside 0:09:20.290 --> 0:09:20.890 in this weather. 0:09:21.170 --> 0:09:26.450 Yeah. Yeah, And when we see the kids, we just 0:09:26.490 --> 0:09:28.090 start screaming. 0:09:28.130 --> 0:09:30.730 Shame on you. 0:09:31.410 --> 0:09:34.130 I'm a mom, you know, like, shame on you is 0:09:34.210 --> 0:09:38.330 the words that come to mind, and we're yelling, you know, 0:09:38.450 --> 0:09:45.250 their kids and sorry, this is gonna be the hardest 0:09:45.250 --> 0:09:49.610 part for me. So everything else I should just say. First, 0:09:49.730 --> 0:09:54.570 like everything escalated very quickly. It just becomes chaos where 0:09:54.690 --> 0:09:58.570 ice agents are just pushing people, shoving people, kicking them, 0:09:58.930 --> 0:10:03.970 you know, they have them down on the ground. I 0:10:04.010 --> 0:10:08.410 can't even describe the feeling where like literally three feet 0:10:08.490 --> 0:10:13.250 from me, I see a man, like just a Minneapolis 0:10:13.290 --> 0:10:19.010 guy on the ground and an agent just pepper spring 0:10:19.090 --> 0:10:25.210 him straight in the face from three inches away, And 0:10:25.290 --> 0:10:27.930 I mean every part of you just wants to run 0:10:28.010 --> 0:10:31.130 and just like tackle that guy, but you know you can't, 0:10:34.090 --> 0:10:35.410 and so you just yell. 0:10:36.730 --> 0:10:37.890 Because what else do you do. 0:10:38.010 --> 0:10:41.730 But just to stand there and see somebody brutalized like that. 0:10:43.010 --> 0:10:48.970 You just feel so powerless. 0:10:51.210 --> 0:10:53.610 So I'm standing on the corner and they're trying to 0:10:53.650 --> 0:10:56.370 get this car to go. This woman in a car 0:10:56.890 --> 0:10:59.090 and there's nowhere she can go. I mean, it was 0:10:59.130 --> 0:11:03.610 just chaos, and they're screaming at her. There's like fifteen agents, 0:11:03.690 --> 0:11:06.210 you know, just surrounding her car, screaming at her. 0:11:07.930 --> 0:11:08.810 Window. 0:11:08.930 --> 0:11:12.210 The car then help them window. All of a sudden, 0:11:12.690 --> 0:11:16.890 they break her passenger side window. Then they go around 0:11:17.770 --> 0:11:21.690 to her side and forcibly pull her out of the car, 0:11:22.370 --> 0:11:27.570 and she's screaming. And then they've just got her by 0:11:27.610 --> 0:11:31.730 all fours and start carrying her away. And then I 0:11:31.770 --> 0:11:34.570 see that they have a white haired man that they 0:11:34.570 --> 0:11:39.770 are carrying by all fours, and they open the back 0:11:39.770 --> 0:11:43.250 door of a black suv and literally like stuff him in. 0:11:43.530 --> 0:11:51.210 That's the only language I know how to use. Sorry, 0:11:51.570 --> 0:11:53.970 So they stuff him into the vehicle. And then. 0:11:57.090 --> 0:12:00.090 And then the first I just hear. 0:11:59.970 --> 0:12:02.090 A bunch of like pa pa pa, pa, pa pa pa, 0:12:03.170 --> 0:12:07.330 and I figure out that these are I guess what 0:12:07.410 --> 0:12:11.290 are flash bangs, And smoke just starts to pour out, 0:12:12.890 --> 0:12:18.210 and then it hits hits your throat first, and it 0:12:18.250 --> 0:12:21.410 starts to burn and you're starting to cough and you're like, oh, 0:12:21.490 --> 0:12:24.690 that's strong. And then it hits your face, the skin 0:12:24.770 --> 0:12:29.570 on your face, and then your eyes eyes start to burn, 0:12:30.210 --> 0:12:33.810 and for a second you're like, oh, this hurts, but 0:12:33.890 --> 0:12:41.690 it's okay. And then each second that passes, you're just like, oh, 0:12:41.890 --> 0:12:42.770 it's not okay. 0:12:42.850 --> 0:12:45.690 Oh it's really not okay. And then you're just like. 0:12:47.170 --> 0:12:47.530 Fucked. 0:12:49.850 --> 0:12:52.490 And then I just can't really move I'm doubled over 0:12:53.450 --> 0:12:56.650 and I grabbed a fist full of snow to put 0:12:56.730 --> 0:13:01.090 on my eyes, and I can't see in anyway. And 0:13:01.130 --> 0:13:04.370 then I just feel like a hand reach out for 0:13:04.410 --> 0:13:08.050 me and grabs my hand and they start to just 0:13:08.130 --> 0:13:13.130 guide me way out of the gas. And then there's 0:13:13.170 --> 0:13:17.290 a guy there wearing a bandanna and he says, this 0:13:17.370 --> 0:13:21.730 is my house. This is my house. It's the most 0:13:21.810 --> 0:13:24.570 Minnesotan thing of all time. We walk in the house. 0:13:24.610 --> 0:13:27.530 None of us can even see really, and he says, I'm. 0:13:27.410 --> 0:13:29.970 Sorry it's so messy, and. 0:13:32.770 --> 0:13:33.090 Thank you. 0:13:33.290 --> 0:13:34.010 That's much better. 0:13:34.690 --> 0:13:37.610 I had a bottle of water and we're pouring it 0:13:37.650 --> 0:13:38.410 over my eyes. 0:13:38.810 --> 0:13:39.650 You very much. 0:13:39.890 --> 0:13:43.370 Or the hospitality. 0:13:55.530 --> 0:13:59.210 You know, there's that famous mister Rogers saying that when 0:13:59.250 --> 0:14:01.410 trouble strikes, look for the helpers. And that's what I've 0:14:01.410 --> 0:14:04.170 always used with ho you look for the helpers. But 0:14:04.370 --> 0:14:09.730 you know Renee Good was a helper and Alex Preddie 0:14:09.810 --> 0:14:10.450 was a helper. 0:14:10.650 --> 0:14:11.929 Like they're murdering the. 0:14:11.970 --> 0:14:27.570 Helpers coming up. After being shot in the leg by 0:14:27.570 --> 0:14:32.250 an ice agent, Julio Cesar Sosa Salis became national news. 0:14:32.890 --> 0:14:36.650 Since then, his family has been forced into hiding after the. 0:14:36.610 --> 0:14:38.330 Break, I pay them a visit. 0:15:05.250 --> 0:15:07.970 One week after Renee Good and a week and three 0:15:08.090 --> 0:15:12.170 days before Ali x Preddi, another person in Minneapolis was 0:15:12.210 --> 0:15:15.010 shot by ICE agents. He was at his home when 0:15:15.050 --> 0:15:18.250 it happened. He was shot in the leg, It wasn't fatal, 0:15:18.570 --> 0:15:21.810 and the incident didn't get as much media attention. The 0:15:21.890 --> 0:15:26.530 man's name was Julio Cesar Sosa Celis. He was Venezuelan, 0:15:26.770 --> 0:15:30.210 and he had no criminal record. There are different accounts 0:15:30.210 --> 0:15:32.890 of what happened that night, but in a nutshell, the 0:15:32.930 --> 0:15:36.650 federal government claims Julio had been targeted for arrest, that 0:15:36.730 --> 0:15:39.050 he fled during a car chase, and that when he 0:15:39.130 --> 0:15:41.450 was caught, he was shot by an ICE agent in 0:15:41.490 --> 0:15:47.090 self defense. The FBI says otherwise. Their investigation determined that 0:15:47.130 --> 0:15:49.810 Ice wasn't looking for Julio at all and that he 0:15:49.890 --> 0:15:53.090 was not a part of any chase. Julio's roommate was 0:15:53.130 --> 0:15:56.250 mistaken for someone else while driving, and he got into 0:15:56.250 --> 0:15:59.530 a car chase with Ice. The roommate led the agents 0:15:59.610 --> 0:16:01.970 back to the house he and Julio shared with their 0:16:01.970 --> 0:16:05.810 partners and their babies. Eye witnesses say the shooting wasn't 0:16:05.810 --> 0:16:08.690 self defense, that the men were fleeing into the house 0:16:08.850 --> 0:16:11.850 when shots were fired. At the end of the night, 0:16:12.130 --> 0:16:16.610 Julio and his partner Indriani were arrested. But the story 0:16:16.650 --> 0:16:19.730 I want to tell isn't about the shooting itself. I 0:16:19.770 --> 0:16:22.330 want to tell the story of the family Julio and 0:16:22.410 --> 0:16:26.290 Indiani left behind, what their life was like before that night, 0:16:26.730 --> 0:16:30.370 and what it's been like ever since. So far, Julio 0:16:30.370 --> 0:16:34.090 and Indriani's family in Minnesota haven't spoken with any journalists. 0:16:34.450 --> 0:16:38.290 But it turns out I have a connection to Indiani's mom, Ejumilis. 0:16:38.890 --> 0:16:41.690 It was a very tenuous connection through friends of friends, 0:16:42.130 --> 0:16:44.410 but it was enough for me to be trusted, and 0:16:44.490 --> 0:16:47.770 so one cold night, a week after the shooting, I 0:16:47.850 --> 0:16:51.090 text Jamilis my photo so she could identify me through 0:16:51.130 --> 0:16:53.890 the front doors small window, and I go over to 0:16:53.970 --> 0:16:55.250 talk Hi. 0:16:55.610 --> 0:17:01.570 Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello. 0:17:01.730 --> 0:17:05.530 Since Julio and Indiani have been incarcerated, Eumilis has been 0:17:05.530 --> 0:17:08.369 taking care of their three year old son. Her grandson, 0:17:09.210 --> 0:17:11.889 Emilis has been in the US since twenty twenty three. 0:17:12.410 --> 0:17:14.810 With the shooting, she fears that she and her family 0:17:14.889 --> 0:17:19.090 have become targets, even more so targets of ice, so 0:17:19.090 --> 0:17:21.929 she doesn't leave the house, not the grocery shop, not 0:17:22.010 --> 0:17:24.689 to go to work. She keeps the blinds drawn, the 0:17:24.770 --> 0:17:28.449 lights outside off. She says, she prays that God will 0:17:28.490 --> 0:17:29.769 just make her house invisible. 0:17:30.409 --> 0:17:31.889 Yes, Jamila's. 0:17:34.929 --> 0:17:38.090 Yes, Yes, I'm with my interpreter, Eric, who's not really 0:17:38.090 --> 0:17:41.329 an interpreter but my former officemate who works as an 0:17:41.330 --> 0:17:48.090 immigration lawyer. The house is full of life, four kids 0:17:48.090 --> 0:17:51.170 of her own, ages nine through fourteen, and her three 0:17:51.209 --> 0:17:56.090 year old grandson, Julio, and Indriani's son. Once inside, one 0:17:56.129 --> 0:18:02.490 of the kids locks the door behind us. Since the shooting, 0:18:02.730 --> 0:18:05.409 even though her children have opened asylum cases and social 0:18:05.490 --> 0:18:08.770 security numbers, Emilis has kept them all home from school. 0:18:09.369 --> 0:18:13.850 Her fourteen year old Alejandra attends class over video. I 0:18:13.889 --> 0:18:16.770 ask her for teachers know why she hasn't been in class. 0:18:16.970 --> 0:18:20.450 Yeah, but I like, I didn't tell Oh my teachers, 0:18:20.490 --> 0:18:24.050 so my greats are going down. Oh so I'm scared 0:18:24.129 --> 0:18:24.810 about that too. 0:18:25.449 --> 0:18:27.810 I'm sorry. 0:18:28.330 --> 0:18:31.009 I really want to go to school again, but my 0:18:31.090 --> 0:18:35.729 mom's like, you need to stay here cause though Ice 0:18:35.770 --> 0:18:39.209 can't take you and things like that, you know, But 0:18:39.209 --> 0:18:40.689 I really when I go to school. 0:18:40.449 --> 0:18:42.129 Again, yea MEI. 0:18:42.169 --> 0:18:45.010 Lisa's ten year old son Javier, walks over. 0:18:45.490 --> 0:18:46.489 I don't ask a question. 0:18:47.010 --> 0:18:48.850 He has a question he wants to ask me. 0:18:49.330 --> 0:18:53.290 Yes, did you know when the ice thing's gonna don't? 0:18:54.090 --> 0:18:55.050 Oh, I wish I knew. 0:18:55.609 --> 0:19:00.889 I'm so sorry. As her partner Danielle makes himself dinner 0:19:01.090 --> 0:19:02.970 and the kids come and go from the living room. 0:19:03.409 --> 0:19:03.609 Yeah. 0:19:03.649 --> 0:19:06.090 Elise tells me about her life before all of this, 0:19:06.570 --> 0:19:08.890 why she left Venezuela for the United States. 0:19:09.129 --> 0:19:09.889 In the first. 0:19:09.609 --> 0:19:17.330 Places, we were living hidden mineot. 0:19:18.129 --> 0:19:20.169 My fear of returning is really strong. 0:19:21.209 --> 0:19:24.810 When I ask why that is, Jamlis just says political 0:19:24.850 --> 0:19:29.090 persecution and leaves it at that. Her daughter Indriani had 0:19:29.129 --> 0:19:31.570 already migrated to the US and made a home for 0:19:31.649 --> 0:19:36.050 herself and her son in Minnesota. Jemilie really missed them. 0:19:36.570 --> 0:19:39.209 To see them again, she and her family embarked on 0:19:39.250 --> 0:19:42.529 a difficult journey, mostly done on foot. She and her 0:19:42.570 --> 0:19:46.169 partner Danielle told four little kids across South and Central 0:19:46.209 --> 0:19:49.850 America and through Mexico. 0:19:50.090 --> 0:19:56.969 We didn't have phone, we didn't have money, Monea, I 0:19:57.010 --> 0:20:02.330 had some coins kaminamo for domess. 0:20:02.449 --> 0:20:07.330 We walked for two months la cage, sleeping in the. 0:20:07.330 --> 0:20:16.249 Street, comiendo, eating what people would give us Kaminamomucho walked 0:20:16.449 --> 0:20:21.129 a lotes. 0:20:19.169 --> 0:20:27.410 But always happy with a lot of faith in in being. 0:20:27.250 --> 0:20:30.129 Able to once again see my daughter and my grandson. 0:20:31.290 --> 0:20:34.209 On the way from Colombia to Panama, they passed through 0:20:34.369 --> 0:20:38.290 the incredibly dangerous rainforest known as the Darian. 0:20:37.970 --> 0:20:43.090 Gap, where a lot of people have died. 0:20:44.369 --> 0:20:47.769 The Darien Gap is a roughly sixty mile stretch of rainforest. 0:20:48.250 --> 0:20:51.609 It's the only gap in the Pan American Highway. No road, 0:20:51.889 --> 0:20:54.850 not even a dirt trail. The area is filled with 0:20:54.889 --> 0:20:59.369 strong rivers, flash floods, and wild animals. There is no police. 0:20:59.850 --> 0:21:03.649 Many migrants are murdered and raped during passage. But of 0:21:03.689 --> 0:21:07.409 all the places they traveled through, Yemalis says, the parts 0:21:07.449 --> 0:21:10.610 of Mexico controlled by the carte Owls were the scariest. 0:21:11.129 --> 0:21:14.610 She describes how, while trying to avoid the immigration authorities, 0:21:14.850 --> 0:21:16.650 her family escaped into the forest. 0:21:17.290 --> 0:21:21.169 Yeah, I rang trappers on Mar Salon del Monte. 0:21:21.770 --> 0:21:24.450 The three armed men came kind of out of the trees. 0:21:24.369 --> 0:21:26.609 And ede is a momento. 0:21:28.290 --> 0:21:33.130 They said, nothing's gonna happen. Give us your money, lefono, 0:21:33.330 --> 0:21:34.169 give us your phones. 0:21:36.129 --> 0:21:36.929 The left for nothing. 0:21:37.169 --> 0:21:40.250 I said, I don't have money. Or phone. 0:21:41.209 --> 0:21:44.290 Emily's gestures towards her twelve year old daughter, who's sitting 0:21:44.290 --> 0:21:48.330 on the couch Joros. 0:21:48.490 --> 0:21:53.449 She cried because she saw the guns, maybe hero, and 0:21:53.490 --> 0:21:56.770 they said she better be quiet or will kill her. 0:21:58.010 --> 0:22:05.649 Me An my son he was curious about the guns, 0:22:06.090 --> 0:22:07.969 and they said, if he looks at me again, I'm 0:22:07.970 --> 0:22:08.649 gonna kill him. 0:22:09.290 --> 0:22:10.090 No, the noo. 0:22:10.689 --> 0:22:16.330 They took all our clothes off, looking forward to see 0:22:16.330 --> 0:22:17.969 if we had hidden money. 0:22:18.570 --> 0:22:22.689 When they didn't find anything, they let them go. Emilis 0:22:22.770 --> 0:22:25.850 and Danielle had heard about a train that carried migrants 0:22:25.889 --> 0:22:29.649 from Mexico City to the American border. The train was 0:22:29.689 --> 0:22:33.970 referred to as le Bestia the Beast. It's also been 0:22:34.050 --> 0:22:37.449 called the Train of Death. Passengers ride on top of 0:22:37.530 --> 0:22:41.930 freight cars. Loss of limbs, maimings, even death occur as 0:22:41.970 --> 0:22:45.209 people try to board the moving train. The family was 0:22:45.250 --> 0:22:48.330 told by other migrant travelers where to wait for the train. 0:22:48.929 --> 0:22:50.570 They waited and waited. 0:22:50.689 --> 0:22:52.369 Bienel train grandisio. 0:22:52.770 --> 0:22:58.050 Then comes this big train. It everyone starts cheering the 0:22:58.050 --> 0:22:58.450 train in the. 0:22:58.369 --> 0:23:05.529 Train correria correria, corre pers solas and I saw a. 0:23:05.530 --> 0:23:08.369 Lot of people start running and running and running, and Perro. 0:23:08.169 --> 0:23:17.930 Josi momento the tar. 0:23:15.609 --> 0:23:17.889 And I said to God that in that moment, God, 0:23:17.929 --> 0:23:19.850 if it's your will for us to get on this train, 0:23:20.010 --> 0:23:20.889 let it stop. 0:23:20.970 --> 0:23:27.609 Okay, and train the train moving. 0:23:27.730 --> 0:23:30.169 I could get on, and my husband could get on, 0:23:30.209 --> 0:23:36.010 but the kids no have to jump on clearly, and 0:23:36.250 --> 0:23:38.530 I couldn't jump and grab onto the train with holding 0:23:38.530 --> 0:23:40.129 two of my children and him holding. 0:23:39.889 --> 0:23:41.969 The other to. 0:23:42.850 --> 0:23:44.769 And if I felt that the train could kill me. 0:23:45.570 --> 0:23:48.770 When the train came to a full stop, yamils took 0:23:48.770 --> 0:23:49.129 it as. 0:23:49.050 --> 0:23:55.330 A sign there was a ladder, so we won't. 0:23:55.369 --> 0:24:03.569 We climbed up very quick and we passed five days 0:24:03.850 --> 0:24:06.170 on the train on top of the train like that. 0:24:14.050 --> 0:24:16.210 When we went through towns or villages, people would throw 0:24:16.290 --> 0:24:17.370 us food. 0:24:17.169 --> 0:24:19.170 Or cookies or ok for a moment. 0:24:24.250 --> 0:24:25.930 Because we couldn't get down, because if we got down, 0:24:25.970 --> 0:24:27.770 the train could leave and we'd be stuck. 0:24:28.330 --> 0:24:33.530 Is a train no mole Maxico. 0:24:34.169 --> 0:24:36.810 That train moved us through half of Mexico. 0:24:38.449 --> 0:24:42.490 And the kids, how were they? 0:24:42.570 --> 0:24:45.449 Yeah, we we tied them on. We tied the children down. 0:24:48.369 --> 0:24:51.250 One just has to say I'm going and I'm moving. 0:24:50.970 --> 0:24:54.730 Forward through the cold at night and the heat during 0:24:54.770 --> 0:24:58.330 the day. Emilies and her partners stayed awake holding on 0:24:58.409 --> 0:25:01.489 to the children. Falling asleep meant running the risk of 0:25:01.530 --> 0:25:04.649 being shoved from the train or simply falling, which could 0:25:04.649 --> 0:25:07.929 mean instant death. So for five days she hung on 0:25:08.649 --> 0:25:12.129 no bad room, just a pot, no proper food, just 0:25:12.209 --> 0:25:15.850 what they could catch, and no sleep. In this way 0:25:16.369 --> 0:25:20.210 Jamilies spent her birthday, she was turning thirty four years old. 0:25:21.330 --> 0:25:23.330 The train finally stopped in Juarez. 0:25:24.730 --> 0:25:30.050 People had been killed, children had been taken, people had 0:25:30.090 --> 0:25:36.129 had their stuff stolen. See this, and I thank God 0:25:36.169 --> 0:25:38.290 that we were people that were very blessed. 0:25:39.129 --> 0:25:41.090 A man who saw the family get off the train 0:25:41.449 --> 0:25:44.490 offered to buy them food. Other people gave them drinks. 0:25:44.970 --> 0:25:48.730 Another man even gave them money. They all ate and finally, 0:25:49.129 --> 0:25:53.529