1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:27,130 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hello, Hi, my wife, Hi, my husband. How are you. 2 00:00:28,930 --> 00:00:29,690 Speaker 2: I'm getting through? 3 00:00:30,050 --> 00:00:34,409 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you wanted to talk I did. 4 00:00:34,610 --> 00:00:36,490 Speaker 3: I feel like we haven't had much of a chance 5 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:39,690 Speaker 3: to connect over the last couple of weeks because there's 6 00:00:39,730 --> 00:00:41,010 Speaker 3: been a lot going on here. 7 00:00:42,010 --> 00:00:46,010 Speaker 4: Here is Minneapolis, where I live, and the epicenter of 8 00:00:46,050 --> 00:00:50,610 Speaker 4: what the Trump administration is calling Operation Metro Surge. Since 9 00:00:50,610 --> 00:00:53,770 Speaker 4: it all began with the regular business of work, childcare 10 00:00:53,930 --> 00:00:56,730 Speaker 4: and running a household, Emily and I haven't really had 11 00:00:56,730 --> 00:00:59,570 Speaker 4: a chance to sit down and actually talk. I knew 12 00:00:59,610 --> 00:01:02,010 Speaker 4: she had a lot she wanted to tell me, so 13 00:01:02,090 --> 00:01:04,050 Speaker 4: I asked her to start at the beginning. 14 00:01:05,170 --> 00:01:10,450 Speaker 3: On Wednesday, January seventh, I had dropped Aggie EF at school, 15 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:14,410 Speaker 3: and I was driving down thirty six, which is a 16 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:14,929 Speaker 3: one way. 17 00:01:15,690 --> 00:01:18,290 Speaker 2: There were I don't know. 18 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:21,410 Speaker 5: If it was six or eight vehicles. 19 00:01:21,370 --> 00:01:24,850 Speaker 3: Coming directly toward me, going the wrong way down a 20 00:01:24,890 --> 00:01:28,370 Speaker 3: one way at full speed, and I really thought I 21 00:01:28,410 --> 00:01:31,650 Speaker 3: was going to have a head on collision. Then they 22 00:01:31,810 --> 00:01:35,610 Speaker 3: just suddenly stopped, and then a bunch of men started 23 00:01:35,730 --> 00:01:38,850 Speaker 3: running out of the cars and they were all masked 24 00:01:39,290 --> 00:01:43,810 Speaker 3: and all the vehicles were unmarked. My brain just wasn't 25 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:47,490 Speaker 3: connecting what was happening? And then I saw two women 26 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:58,450 Speaker 3: running toward this scene with whistles, and then somewhere in 27 00:01:58,490 --> 00:02:01,490 Speaker 3: my head it clicked like, oh, this is an ice raid. 28 00:02:03,410 --> 00:02:06,690 Speaker 3: I didn't even know exactly what that meant, but I 29 00:02:06,890 --> 00:02:10,970 Speaker 3: just felt so clearly like something wrong is happening, and 30 00:02:11,049 --> 00:02:15,730 Speaker 3: so I parked and I jumped out. I ran up 31 00:02:16,609 --> 00:02:19,650 Speaker 3: to the building and they were all pulling away the 32 00:02:19,730 --> 00:02:22,450 Speaker 3: woman who had a really little, like five pound dog. 33 00:02:22,770 --> 00:02:25,690 Speaker 3: One of the ice agents just swerved right at the dog, 34 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:34,210 Speaker 3: and I was really emotional because I was still had 35 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:37,050 Speaker 3: a lot of adrenaline. I was pending on the one 36 00:02:37,090 --> 00:02:40,890 Speaker 3: when they almost hit Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the 37 00:02:40,890 --> 00:02:48,130 Speaker 3: women there hugged me and she just kept saying, no, 38 00:02:48,370 --> 00:02:48,570 Speaker 3: I know. 39 00:02:48,730 --> 00:02:50,010 Speaker 6: I said, who do they think they are? 40 00:02:51,890 --> 00:02:52,850 Speaker 2: Who do they think they are? 41 00:02:53,570 --> 00:02:55,330 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's just too much. 42 00:02:58,090 --> 00:03:01,810 Speaker 5: I mean that's when everything just like exploded. 43 00:03:02,690 --> 00:03:05,530 Speaker 2: I got home, and you know, I. 44 00:03:05,490 --> 00:03:09,970 Speaker 3: Had news on the background, and I saw that a 45 00:03:10,090 --> 00:03:15,610 Speaker 3: woman had been shot dead, and that turned out later 46 00:03:15,690 --> 00:03:19,650 Speaker 3: that this was Renee Good and she had just dropped 47 00:03:19,650 --> 00:03:24,370 Speaker 3: her kid off from school too. She was shot about 48 00:03:24,570 --> 00:03:29,050 Speaker 3: forty minutes after I had that encounter, about. 49 00:03:30,370 --> 00:03:35,610 Speaker 2: Four blocks away. I don't know. 50 00:03:37,090 --> 00:03:40,650 Speaker 3: I went to the vigil that night. Okay, there were 51 00:03:40,850 --> 00:03:43,930 Speaker 3: a lot of people there. I think everybody there really 52 00:03:43,930 --> 00:03:45,450 Speaker 3: felt an obligation. 53 00:03:45,530 --> 00:03:46,130 Speaker 2: To be there. 54 00:03:48,610 --> 00:03:51,210 Speaker 3: While I was there, I got a text from Katie, 55 00:03:51,410 --> 00:03:56,210 Speaker 3: my sister, telling me that ice had showed up at 56 00:03:56,250 --> 00:04:01,850 Speaker 3: Theo's school. THEO is her fourteen year old nephew, and 57 00:04:01,930 --> 00:04:07,250 Speaker 3: that they had pepper sprayed a crowd of teachers and students. 58 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:11,770 Speaker 3: So she texted me that and then wrote, I have 59 00:04:11,850 --> 00:04:16,970 Speaker 3: no idea how to process this with my child? 60 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:18,610 Speaker 6: Learn what ice was the thing? 61 00:04:18,969 --> 00:04:20,890 Speaker 2: When did you learn that ice was a thing? 62 00:04:21,210 --> 00:04:22,890 Speaker 5: I don't do you remember now? 63 00:04:23,289 --> 00:04:23,529 Speaker 7: Do you? 64 00:04:24,289 --> 00:04:24,970 Speaker 2: And Aggie? 65 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:29,170 Speaker 3: You know, Aggie's nine, and so it's that's been one 66 00:04:29,169 --> 00:04:31,810 Speaker 3: of the really hard things here is to know what 67 00:04:31,849 --> 00:04:35,890 Speaker 3: do you tell your kid. I've been trying to talk 68 00:04:35,929 --> 00:04:40,089 Speaker 3: to him about it just as honestly as possible, with 69 00:04:40,369 --> 00:04:46,250 Speaker 3: trying to emphasize you know that he's safe. But even 70 00:04:46,250 --> 00:04:49,770 Speaker 3: if he is safe, there's a lot of kids right 71 00:04:49,810 --> 00:04:56,490 Speaker 3: now around this city his age who aren't. And that's 72 00:04:56,810 --> 00:04:57,850 Speaker 3: how do you explain that? 73 00:04:58,409 --> 00:05:02,689 Speaker 4: You know, you told Aggie about Renee Good? 74 00:05:03,049 --> 00:05:05,009 Speaker 1: Yes, and what was that like? 75 00:05:06,369 --> 00:05:10,609 Speaker 3: I first told him that a woman had been shot 76 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:17,769 Speaker 3: by ice. Then the next day, Julian came over and Eli, 77 00:05:17,929 --> 00:05:21,809 Speaker 3: Julian's dad said something to me about, oh, and you 78 00:05:22,169 --> 00:05:25,089 Speaker 3: encountered them that morning in front of Aggie. 79 00:05:25,130 --> 00:05:28,489 Speaker 2: And so then Aggi was like, wait, what you're head 80 00:05:28,609 --> 00:05:29,010 Speaker 2: right now? 81 00:05:29,089 --> 00:05:32,089 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm okay, Umber. 82 00:05:32,169 --> 00:05:34,369 Speaker 5: You wouldn't have stopped if I was in the garden. 83 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:43,010 Speaker 3: No, no, And we talked about it for a couple 84 00:05:43,049 --> 00:05:46,770 Speaker 3: of minutes and then he said, okay, I think I 85 00:05:46,810 --> 00:05:47,569 Speaker 3: think we need. 86 00:05:47,369 --> 00:05:50,929 Speaker 2: To stop talking about this now. And so I respected 87 00:05:50,929 --> 00:05:52,930 Speaker 2: that and stopped talking about it. 88 00:05:55,330 --> 00:05:59,450 Speaker 5: So then the Thursday and Friday after Rene Good was killed, 89 00:05:59,929 --> 00:06:05,770 Speaker 5: schools were canceled across the city because it just wasn't safe. 90 00:06:05,969 --> 00:06:08,089 Speaker 5: I stayed home with Aggi and some of his friends 91 00:06:08,130 --> 00:06:12,210 Speaker 5: came over, and you know, throughout the day we would 92 00:06:12,289 --> 00:06:15,209 Speaker 5: be player, the kids would be playing, and they would 93 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:18,969 Speaker 5: just they'd be fine, and then they would say, it's 94 00:06:19,010 --> 00:06:21,089 Speaker 5: so sad, like this is so sad that I was 95 00:06:21,169 --> 00:06:21,969 Speaker 5: murdered somebody. 96 00:06:22,289 --> 00:06:24,289 Speaker 1: This is what Aggie's friends are saying. 97 00:06:24,529 --> 00:06:24,890 Speaker 2: Yeah. 98 00:06:24,969 --> 00:06:29,409 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I actually have a really clear memory that 99 00:06:29,529 --> 00:06:33,290 Speaker 3: day we were working with the hot Glugu and Julian 100 00:06:33,729 --> 00:06:39,249 Speaker 3: somehow cut his hand, and the concern that they all 101 00:06:39,330 --> 00:06:42,969 Speaker 3: just sort of rallied around him and were so worried 102 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:43,930 Speaker 3: about his hand. 103 00:06:44,529 --> 00:06:47,609 Speaker 1: Julian, Yeah, he's like the mister tough guy. 104 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:48,089 Speaker 8: I know. 105 00:06:48,489 --> 00:06:51,849 Speaker 3: And then there was this moment after I bandaged it 106 00:06:51,929 --> 00:06:54,890 Speaker 3: up that we all have never had a moment with 107 00:06:54,969 --> 00:06:57,089 Speaker 3: the boys like this where we all sort of like 108 00:06:57,169 --> 00:06:57,929 Speaker 3: hugged each other. 109 00:06:58,169 --> 00:06:59,810 Speaker 1: The boys went for this, they allowed this. 110 00:07:00,210 --> 00:07:02,890 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I do think it was just like this. 111 00:07:02,849 --> 00:07:06,849 Speaker 3: Moment of vulnerability that we were all feeling such a weight, 112 00:07:07,210 --> 00:07:09,810 Speaker 3: you know that it just a lot us to have 113 00:07:09,850 --> 00:07:11,250 Speaker 3: this moment of coming together. 114 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:12,290 Speaker 2: It was really beautiful. 115 00:07:12,850 --> 00:07:13,129 Speaker 3: Wow. 116 00:07:14,210 --> 00:07:18,130 Speaker 5: I mean everything is completely overwhelming, but you still have 117 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:21,210 Speaker 5: to eat, you still have to walk the dog, and 118 00:07:21,489 --> 00:07:25,129 Speaker 5: you know, kids are still kids. That next morning, I 119 00:07:25,210 --> 00:07:28,410 Speaker 5: was laying in bed and Aggie came in wearing a 120 00:07:28,489 --> 00:07:35,170 Speaker 5: captain's hat and a suit jacket and started wrapping about yachts. 121 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:42,370 Speaker 6: Yas I want for my birthday. Yah, I can get it. 122 00:07:42,450 --> 00:07:43,850 Speaker 6: Cookie Vaca yachts. 123 00:07:44,410 --> 00:07:48,610 Speaker 3: You're really right, Yes, it was all about going on 124 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:50,530 Speaker 3: yachts and having cookie vacs. 125 00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:53,210 Speaker 1: I have a cookie vaca right now. 126 00:07:58,570 --> 00:07:59,810 Speaker 4: I wanted from my birthday. 127 00:07:59,890 --> 00:08:00,250 Speaker 3: Yats. 128 00:08:00,970 --> 00:08:04,690 Speaker 5: You don't need to do back yachts Tuesday. 129 00:08:05,369 --> 00:08:08,410 Speaker 3: This is Tuesday, the thirteenth, less than a week since 130 00:08:09,730 --> 00:08:13,970 Speaker 3: Renee Good had been killed once again. I had dropped 131 00:08:14,010 --> 00:08:17,650 Speaker 3: Aggie off at school and I was driving home and 132 00:08:17,929 --> 00:08:22,290 Speaker 3: suddenly all these vehicles start swarming around my car and 133 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:25,929 Speaker 3: I'm a little bit boxed in, and then I started 134 00:08:25,970 --> 00:08:31,210 Speaker 3: hearing the whistles, and so I decide to get out. 135 00:08:33,530 --> 00:08:37,970 Speaker 3: There's ice agents all over. They're going up to an 136 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:41,530 Speaker 3: apartment building yelling you got to open up the door, 137 00:08:43,250 --> 00:08:48,130 Speaker 3: and you know, the crowd is slowly growing, but pretty quiet. 138 00:08:48,490 --> 00:08:53,130 Speaker 3: And then they come out of the apartment building and 139 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:58,730 Speaker 3: they have two guys who to me looked like children, 140 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:00,530 Speaker 3: early twenties. 141 00:09:00,130 --> 00:09:02,929 Speaker 2: At the oldest. But I'd be surprised if it was 142 00:09:02,970 --> 00:09:03,330 Speaker 2: even that. 143 00:09:04,410 --> 00:09:07,570 Speaker 3: One of them is wearing a T shirt and shorts, 144 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:10,730 Speaker 3: even though it's you know, it's very cold outside. 145 00:09:10,890 --> 00:09:12,010 Speaker 1: I mean it's so cold. 146 00:09:12,090 --> 00:09:14,650 Speaker 4: It's the kind of cold that you know, you take 147 00:09:14,690 --> 00:09:17,130 Speaker 4: your gloves off for a few seconds and your fingers 148 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:20,290 Speaker 4: just really hurt, Like it is hard to be outside 149 00:09:20,290 --> 00:09:20,890 Speaker 4: in this weather. 150 00:09:21,170 --> 00:09:26,450 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And when we see the kids, we just 151 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:28,090 Speaker 3: start screaming. 152 00:09:28,130 --> 00:09:30,730 Speaker 2: Shame on you. 153 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:34,130 Speaker 3: I'm a mom, you know, like, shame on you is 154 00:09:34,210 --> 00:09:38,330 Speaker 3: the words that come to mind, and we're yelling, you know, 155 00:09:38,450 --> 00:09:45,250 Speaker 3: their kids and sorry, this is gonna be the hardest 156 00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:49,610 Speaker 3: part for me. So everything else I should just say. First, 157 00:09:49,730 --> 00:09:54,570 Speaker 3: like everything escalated very quickly. It just becomes chaos where 158 00:09:54,690 --> 00:09:58,570 Speaker 3: ice agents are just pushing people, shoving people, kicking them, 159 00:09:58,930 --> 00:10:03,970 Speaker 3: you know, they have them down on the ground. I 160 00:10:04,010 --> 00:10:08,410 Speaker 3: can't even describe the feeling where like literally three feet 161 00:10:08,490 --> 00:10:13,250 Speaker 3: from me, I see a man, like just a Minneapolis 162 00:10:13,290 --> 00:10:19,010 Speaker 3: guy on the ground and an agent just pepper spring 163 00:10:19,090 --> 00:10:25,210 Speaker 3: him straight in the face from three inches away, And 164 00:10:25,290 --> 00:10:27,930 Speaker 3: I mean every part of you just wants to run 165 00:10:28,010 --> 00:10:31,130 Speaker 3: and just like tackle that guy, but you know you can't, 166 00:10:34,090 --> 00:10:35,410 Speaker 3: and so you just yell. 167 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:37,890 Speaker 2: Because what else do you do. 168 00:10:38,010 --> 00:10:41,730 Speaker 3: But just to stand there and see somebody brutalized like that. 169 00:10:43,010 --> 00:10:48,970 Speaker 2: You just feel so powerless. 170 00:10:51,210 --> 00:10:53,610 Speaker 3: So I'm standing on the corner and they're trying to 171 00:10:53,650 --> 00:10:56,370 Speaker 3: get this car to go. This woman in a car 172 00:10:56,890 --> 00:10:59,090 Speaker 3: and there's nowhere she can go. I mean, it was 173 00:10:59,130 --> 00:11:03,610 Speaker 3: just chaos, and they're screaming at her. There's like fifteen agents, 174 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:06,210 Speaker 3: you know, just surrounding her car, screaming at her. 175 00:11:07,930 --> 00:11:08,810 Speaker 2: Window. 176 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:12,210 Speaker 3: The car then help them window. All of a sudden, 177 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:16,890 Speaker 3: they break her passenger side window. Then they go around 178 00:11:17,770 --> 00:11:21,690 Speaker 3: to her side and forcibly pull her out of the car, 179 00:11:22,370 --> 00:11:27,570 Speaker 3: and she's screaming. And then they've just got her by 180 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:31,730 Speaker 3: all fours and start carrying her away. And then I 181 00:11:31,770 --> 00:11:34,570 Speaker 3: see that they have a white haired man that they 182 00:11:34,570 --> 00:11:39,770 Speaker 3: are carrying by all fours, and they open the back 183 00:11:39,770 --> 00:11:43,250 Speaker 3: door of a black suv and literally like stuff him in. 184 00:11:43,530 --> 00:11:51,210 Speaker 3: That's the only language I know how to use. Sorry, 185 00:11:51,570 --> 00:11:53,970 Speaker 3: So they stuff him into the vehicle. And then. 186 00:11:57,090 --> 00:12:00,090 Speaker 2: And then the first I just hear. 187 00:11:59,970 --> 00:12:02,090 Speaker 3: A bunch of like pa pa pa, pa, pa pa pa, 188 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:07,330 Speaker 3: and I figure out that these are I guess what 189 00:12:07,410 --> 00:12:11,290 Speaker 3: are flash bangs, And smoke just starts to pour out, 190 00:12:12,890 --> 00:12:18,210 Speaker 3: and then it hits hits your throat first, and it 191 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:21,410 Speaker 3: starts to burn and you're starting to cough and you're like, oh, 192 00:12:21,490 --> 00:12:24,690 Speaker 3: that's strong. And then it hits your face, the skin 193 00:12:24,770 --> 00:12:29,570 Speaker 3: on your face, and then your eyes eyes start to burn, 194 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:33,810 Speaker 3: and for a second you're like, oh, this hurts, but 195 00:12:33,890 --> 00:12:41,690 Speaker 3: it's okay. And then each second that passes, you're just like, oh, 196 00:12:41,890 --> 00:12:42,770 Speaker 3: it's not okay. 197 00:12:42,850 --> 00:12:45,690 Speaker 2: Oh it's really not okay. And then you're just like. 198 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:47,530 Speaker 8: Fucked. 199 00:12:49,850 --> 00:12:52,490 Speaker 3: And then I just can't really move I'm doubled over 200 00:12:53,450 --> 00:12:56,650 Speaker 3: and I grabbed a fist full of snow to put 201 00:12:56,730 --> 00:13:01,090 Speaker 3: on my eyes, and I can't see in anyway. And 202 00:13:01,130 --> 00:13:04,370 Speaker 3: then I just feel like a hand reach out for 203 00:13:04,410 --> 00:13:08,050 Speaker 3: me and grabs my hand and they start to just 204 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:13,130 Speaker 3: guide me way out of the gas. And then there's 205 00:13:13,170 --> 00:13:17,290 Speaker 3: a guy there wearing a bandanna and he says, this 206 00:13:17,370 --> 00:13:21,730 Speaker 3: is my house. This is my house. It's the most 207 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:24,570 Speaker 3: Minnesotan thing of all time. We walk in the house. 208 00:13:24,610 --> 00:13:27,530 Speaker 3: None of us can even see really, and he says, I'm. 209 00:13:27,410 --> 00:13:29,970 Speaker 2: Sorry it's so messy, and. 210 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:33,090 Speaker 6: Thank you. 211 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:34,010 Speaker 1: That's much better. 212 00:13:34,690 --> 00:13:37,610 Speaker 3: I had a bottle of water and we're pouring it 213 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:38,410 Speaker 3: over my eyes. 214 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:39,650 Speaker 5: You very much. 215 00:13:39,890 --> 00:13:43,370 Speaker 4: Or the hospitality. 216 00:13:55,530 --> 00:13:59,210 Speaker 3: You know, there's that famous mister Rogers saying that when 217 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:01,410 Speaker 3: trouble strikes, look for the helpers. And that's what I've 218 00:14:01,410 --> 00:14:04,170 Speaker 3: always used with ho you look for the helpers. But 219 00:14:04,370 --> 00:14:09,730 Speaker 3: you know Renee Good was a helper and Alex Preddie 220 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:10,450 Speaker 3: was a helper. 221 00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:11,929 Speaker 2: Like they're murdering the. 222 00:14:11,970 --> 00:14:27,570 Speaker 4: Helpers coming up. After being shot in the leg by 223 00:14:27,570 --> 00:14:32,250 Speaker 4: an ice agent, Julio Cesar Sosa Salis became national news. 224 00:14:32,890 --> 00:14:36,650 Speaker 4: Since then, his family has been forced into hiding after the. 225 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:38,330 Speaker 1: Break, I pay them a visit. 226 00:15:05,250 --> 00:15:07,970 Speaker 4: One week after Renee Good and a week and three 227 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:12,170 Speaker 4: days before Ali x Preddi, another person in Minneapolis was 228 00:15:12,210 --> 00:15:15,010 Speaker 4: shot by ICE agents. He was at his home when 229 00:15:15,050 --> 00:15:18,250 Speaker 4: it happened. He was shot in the leg, It wasn't fatal, 230 00:15:18,570 --> 00:15:21,810 Speaker 4: and the incident didn't get as much media attention. The 231 00:15:21,890 --> 00:15:26,530 Speaker 4: man's name was Julio Cesar Sosa Celis. He was Venezuelan, 232 00:15:26,770 --> 00:15:30,210 Speaker 4: and he had no criminal record. There are different accounts 233 00:15:30,210 --> 00:15:32,890 Speaker 4: of what happened that night, but in a nutshell, the 234 00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:36,650 Speaker 4: federal government claims Julio had been targeted for arrest, that 235 00:15:36,730 --> 00:15:39,050 Speaker 4: he fled during a car chase, and that when he 236 00:15:39,130 --> 00:15:41,450 Speaker 4: was caught, he was shot by an ICE agent in 237 00:15:41,490 --> 00:15:47,090 Speaker 4: self defense. The FBI says otherwise. Their investigation determined that 238 00:15:47,130 --> 00:15:49,810 Speaker 4: Ice wasn't looking for Julio at all and that he 239 00:15:49,890 --> 00:15:53,090 Speaker 4: was not a part of any chase. Julio's roommate was 240 00:15:53,130 --> 00:15:56,250 Speaker 4: mistaken for someone else while driving, and he got into 241 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:59,530 Speaker 4: a car chase with Ice. The roommate led the agents 242 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:01,970 Speaker 4: back to the house he and Julio shared with their 243 00:16:01,970 --> 00:16:05,810 Speaker 4: partners and their babies. Eye witnesses say the shooting wasn't 244 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:08,690 Speaker 4: self defense, that the men were fleeing into the house 245 00:16:08,850 --> 00:16:11,850 Speaker 4: when shots were fired. At the end of the night, 246 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:16,610 Speaker 4: Julio and his partner Indriani were arrested. But the story 247 00:16:16,650 --> 00:16:19,730 Speaker 4: I want to tell isn't about the shooting itself. I 248 00:16:19,770 --> 00:16:22,330 Speaker 4: want to tell the story of the family Julio and 249 00:16:22,410 --> 00:16:26,290 Speaker 4: Indiani left behind, what their life was like before that night, 250 00:16:26,730 --> 00:16:30,370 Speaker 4: and what it's been like ever since. So far, Julio 251 00:16:30,370 --> 00:16:34,090 Speaker 4: and Indriani's family in Minnesota haven't spoken with any journalists. 252 00:16:34,450 --> 00:16:38,290 Speaker 4: But it turns out I have a connection to Indiani's mom, Ejumilis. 253 00:16:38,890 --> 00:16:41,690 Speaker 4: It was a very tenuous connection through friends of friends, 254 00:16:42,130 --> 00:16:44,410 Speaker 4: but it was enough for me to be trusted, and 255 00:16:44,490 --> 00:16:47,770 Speaker 4: so one cold night, a week after the shooting, I 256 00:16:47,850 --> 00:16:51,090 Speaker 4: text Jamilis my photo so she could identify me through 257 00:16:51,130 --> 00:16:53,890 Speaker 4: the front doors small window, and I go over to 258 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:55,250 Speaker 4: talk Hi. 259 00:16:55,610 --> 00:17:01,570 Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello. 260 00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:05,530 Speaker 4: Since Julio and Indiani have been incarcerated, Eumilis has been 261 00:17:05,530 --> 00:17:08,369 Speaker 4: taking care of their three year old son. Her grandson, 262 00:17:09,210 --> 00:17:11,889 Speaker 4: Emilis has been in the US since twenty twenty three. 263 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:14,810 Speaker 4: With the shooting, she fears that she and her family 264 00:17:14,889 --> 00:17:19,090 Speaker 4: have become targets, even more so targets of ice, so 265 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:21,929 Speaker 4: she doesn't leave the house, not the grocery shop, not 266 00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:24,689 Speaker 4: to go to work. She keeps the blinds drawn, the 267 00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:28,449 Speaker 4: lights outside off. She says, she prays that God will 268 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:29,769 Speaker 4: just make her house invisible. 269 00:17:30,409 --> 00:17:31,889 Speaker 8: Yes, Jamila's. 270 00:17:34,929 --> 00:17:38,090 Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, I'm with my interpreter, Eric, who's not really 271 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:41,329 Speaker 4: an interpreter but my former officemate who works as an 272 00:17:41,330 --> 00:17:48,090 Speaker 4: immigration lawyer. The house is full of life, four kids 273 00:17:48,090 --> 00:17:51,170 Speaker 4: of her own, ages nine through fourteen, and her three 274 00:17:51,209 --> 00:17:56,090 Speaker 4: year old grandson, Julio, and Indriani's son. Once inside, one 275 00:17:56,129 --> 00:18:02,490 Speaker 4: of the kids locks the door behind us. Since the shooting, 276 00:18:02,730 --> 00:18:05,409 Speaker 4: even though her children have opened asylum cases and social 277 00:18:05,490 --> 00:18:08,770 Speaker 4: security numbers, Emilis has kept them all home from school. 278 00:18:09,369 --> 00:18:13,850 Speaker 4: Her fourteen year old Alejandra attends class over video. I 279 00:18:13,889 --> 00:18:16,770 Speaker 4: ask her for teachers know why she hasn't been in class. 280 00:18:16,970 --> 00:18:20,450 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I like, I didn't tell Oh my teachers, 281 00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:24,050 Speaker 6: so my greats are going down. Oh so I'm scared 282 00:18:24,129 --> 00:18:24,810 Speaker 6: about that too. 283 00:18:25,449 --> 00:18:27,810 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 284 00:18:28,330 --> 00:18:31,009 Speaker 6: I really want to go to school again, but my 285 00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:35,729 Speaker 6: mom's like, you need to stay here cause though Ice 286 00:18:35,770 --> 00:18:39,209 Speaker 6: can't take you and things like that, you know, But 287 00:18:39,209 --> 00:18:40,689 Speaker 6: I really when I go to school. 288 00:18:40,449 --> 00:18:42,129 Speaker 8: Again, yea MEI. 289 00:18:42,169 --> 00:18:45,010 Speaker 4: Lisa's ten year old son Javier, walks over. 290 00:18:45,490 --> 00:18:46,489 Speaker 5: I don't ask a question. 291 00:18:47,010 --> 00:18:48,850 Speaker 4: He has a question he wants to ask me. 292 00:18:49,330 --> 00:18:53,290 Speaker 6: Yes, did you know when the ice thing's gonna don't? 293 00:18:54,090 --> 00:18:55,050 Speaker 1: Oh, I wish I knew. 294 00:18:55,609 --> 00:19:00,889 Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. As her partner Danielle makes himself dinner 295 00:19:01,090 --> 00:19:02,970 Speaker 4: and the kids come and go from the living room. 296 00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:03,609 Speaker 6: Yeah. 297 00:19:03,649 --> 00:19:06,090 Speaker 4: Elise tells me about her life before all of this, 298 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:08,890 Speaker 4: why she left Venezuela for the United States. 299 00:19:09,129 --> 00:19:09,889 Speaker 1: In the first. 300 00:19:09,609 --> 00:19:17,330 Speaker 7: Places, we were living hidden mineot. 301 00:19:18,129 --> 00:19:20,169 Speaker 8: My fear of returning is really strong. 302 00:19:21,209 --> 00:19:24,810 Speaker 4: When I ask why that is, Jamlis just says political 303 00:19:24,850 --> 00:19:29,090 Speaker 4: persecution and leaves it at that. Her daughter Indriani had 304 00:19:29,129 --> 00:19:31,570 Speaker 4: already migrated to the US and made a home for 305 00:19:31,649 --> 00:19:36,050 Speaker 4: herself and her son in Minnesota. Jemilie really missed them. 306 00:19:36,570 --> 00:19:39,209 Speaker 4: To see them again, she and her family embarked on 307 00:19:39,250 --> 00:19:42,529 Speaker 4: a difficult journey, mostly done on foot. She and her 308 00:19:42,570 --> 00:19:46,169 Speaker 4: partner Danielle told four little kids across South and Central 309 00:19:46,209 --> 00:19:49,850 Speaker 4: America and through Mexico. 310 00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:56,969 Speaker 9: We didn't have phone, we didn't have money, Monea, I 311 00:19:57,010 --> 00:20:02,330 Speaker 9: had some coins kaminamo for domess. 312 00:20:02,449 --> 00:20:07,330 Speaker 8: We walked for two months la cage, sleeping in the. 313 00:20:07,330 --> 00:20:16,249 Speaker 7: Street, comiendo, eating what people would give us Kaminamomucho walked 314 00:20:16,449 --> 00:20:21,129 Speaker 7: a lotes. 315 00:20:19,169 --> 00:20:27,410 Speaker 9: But always happy with a lot of faith in in being. 316 00:20:27,250 --> 00:20:30,129 Speaker 8: Able to once again see my daughter and my grandson. 317 00:20:31,290 --> 00:20:34,209 Speaker 4: On the way from Colombia to Panama, they passed through 318 00:20:34,369 --> 00:20:38,290 Speaker 4: the incredibly dangerous rainforest known as the Darian. 319 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:43,090 Speaker 8: Gap, where a lot of people have died. 320 00:20:44,369 --> 00:20:47,769 Speaker 4: The Darien Gap is a roughly sixty mile stretch of rainforest. 321 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:51,609 Speaker 4: It's the only gap in the Pan American Highway. No road, 322 00:20:51,889 --> 00:20:54,850 Speaker 4: not even a dirt trail. The area is filled with 323 00:20:54,889 --> 00:20:59,369 Speaker 4: strong rivers, flash floods, and wild animals. There is no police. 324 00:20:59,850 --> 00:21:03,649 Speaker 4: Many migrants are murdered and raped during passage. But of 325 00:21:03,689 --> 00:21:07,409 Speaker 4: all the places they traveled through, Yemalis says, the parts 326 00:21:07,449 --> 00:21:10,610 Speaker 4: of Mexico controlled by the carte Owls were the scariest. 327 00:21:11,129 --> 00:21:14,610 Speaker 4: She describes how, while trying to avoid the immigration authorities, 328 00:21:14,850 --> 00:21:16,650 Speaker 4: her family escaped into the forest. 329 00:21:17,290 --> 00:21:21,169 Speaker 7: Yeah, I rang trappers on Mar Salon del Monte. 330 00:21:21,770 --> 00:21:24,450 Speaker 8: The three armed men came kind of out of the trees. 331 00:21:24,369 --> 00:21:26,609 Speaker 7: And ede is a momento. 332 00:21:28,290 --> 00:21:33,130 Speaker 8: They said, nothing's gonna happen. Give us your money, lefono, 333 00:21:33,330 --> 00:21:34,169 Speaker 8: give us your phones. 334 00:21:36,129 --> 00:21:36,929 Speaker 2: The left for nothing. 335 00:21:37,169 --> 00:21:40,250 Speaker 8: I said, I don't have money. Or phone. 336 00:21:41,209 --> 00:21:44,290 Speaker 4: Emily's gestures towards her twelve year old daughter, who's sitting 337 00:21:44,290 --> 00:21:48,330 Speaker 4: on the couch Joros. 338 00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:53,449 Speaker 8: She cried because she saw the guns, maybe hero, and 339 00:21:53,490 --> 00:21:56,770 Speaker 8: they said she better be quiet or will kill her. 340 00:21:58,010 --> 00:22:05,649 Speaker 8: Me An my son he was curious about the guns, 341 00:22:06,090 --> 00:22:07,969 Speaker 8: and they said, if he looks at me again, I'm 342 00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:08,649 Speaker 8: gonna kill him. 343 00:22:09,290 --> 00:22:10,090 Speaker 7: No, the noo. 344 00:22:10,689 --> 00:22:16,330 Speaker 8: They took all our clothes off, looking forward to see 345 00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:17,969 Speaker 8: if we had hidden money. 346 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:22,689 Speaker 4: When they didn't find anything, they let them go. Emilis 347 00:22:22,770 --> 00:22:25,850 Speaker 4: and Danielle had heard about a train that carried migrants 348 00:22:25,889 --> 00:22:29,649 Speaker 4: from Mexico City to the American border. The train was 349 00:22:29,689 --> 00:22:33,970 Speaker 4: referred to as le Bestia the Beast. It's also been 350 00:22:34,050 --> 00:22:37,449 Speaker 4: called the Train of Death. Passengers ride on top of 351 00:22:37,530 --> 00:22:41,930 Speaker 4: freight cars. Loss of limbs, maimings, even death occur as 352 00:22:41,970 --> 00:22:45,209 Speaker 4: people try to board the moving train. The family was 353 00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:48,330 Speaker 4: told by other migrant travelers where to wait for the train. 354 00:22:48,929 --> 00:22:50,570 Speaker 4: They waited and waited. 355 00:22:50,689 --> 00:22:52,369 Speaker 7: Bienel train grandisio. 356 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:58,050 Speaker 8: Then comes this big train. It everyone starts cheering the 357 00:22:58,050 --> 00:22:58,450 Speaker 8: train in the. 358 00:22:58,369 --> 00:23:05,529 Speaker 7: Train correria correria, corre pers solas and I saw a. 359 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:08,369 Speaker 8: Lot of people start running and running and running, and Perro. 360 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:17,930 Speaker 7: Josi momento the tar. 361 00:23:15,609 --> 00:23:17,889 Speaker 8: And I said to God that in that moment, God, 362 00:23:17,929 --> 00:23:19,850 Speaker 8: if it's your will for us to get on this train, 363 00:23:20,010 --> 00:23:20,889 Speaker 8: let it stop. 364 00:23:20,970 --> 00:23:27,609 Speaker 7: Okay, and train the train moving. 365 00:23:27,730 --> 00:23:30,169 Speaker 8: I could get on, and my husband could get on, 366 00:23:30,209 --> 00:23:36,010 Speaker 8: but the kids no have to jump on clearly, and 367 00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:38,530 Speaker 8: I couldn't jump and grab onto the train with holding 368 00:23:38,530 --> 00:23:40,129 Speaker 8: two of my children and him holding. 369 00:23:39,889 --> 00:23:41,969 Speaker 7: The other to. 370 00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:44,769 Speaker 8: And if I felt that the train could kill me. 371 00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:48,770 Speaker 4: When the train came to a full stop, yamils took 372 00:23:48,770 --> 00:23:49,129 Speaker 4: it as. 373 00:23:49,050 --> 00:23:55,330 Speaker 7: A sign there was a ladder, so we won't. 374 00:23:55,369 --> 00:24:03,569 Speaker 8: We climbed up very quick and we passed five days 375 00:24:03,850 --> 00:24:06,170 Speaker 8: on the train on top of the train like that. 376 00:24:14,050 --> 00:24:16,210 Speaker 8: When we went through towns or villages, people would throw 377 00:24:16,290 --> 00:24:17,370 Speaker 8: us food. 378 00:24:17,169 --> 00:24:19,170 Speaker 7: Or cookies or ok for a moment. 379 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:25,930 Speaker 8: Because we couldn't get down, because if we got down, 380 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:27,770 Speaker 8: the train could leave and we'd be stuck. 381 00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:33,530 Speaker 7: Is a train no mole Maxico. 382 00:24:34,169 --> 00:24:36,810 Speaker 8: That train moved us through half of Mexico. 383 00:24:38,449 --> 00:24:42,490 Speaker 4: And the kids, how were they? 384 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:45,449 Speaker 8: Yeah, we we tied them on. We tied the children down. 385 00:24:48,369 --> 00:24:51,250 Speaker 8: One just has to say I'm going and I'm moving. 386 00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:54,730 Speaker 4: Forward through the cold at night and the heat during 387 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:58,330 Speaker 4: the day. Emilies and her partners stayed awake holding on 388 00:24:58,409 --> 00:25:01,489 Speaker 4: to the children. Falling asleep meant running the risk of 389 00:25:01,530 --> 00:25:04,649 Speaker 4: being shoved from the train or simply falling, which could 390 00:25:04,649 --> 00:25:07,929 Speaker 4: mean instant death. So for five days she hung on 391 00:25:08,649 --> 00:25:12,129 Speaker 4: no bad room, just a pot, no proper food, just 392 00:25:12,209 --> 00:25:15,850 Speaker 4: what they could catch, and no sleep. In this way 393 00:25:16,369 --> 00:25:20,210 Speaker 4: Jamilies spent her birthday, she was turning thirty four years old. 394 00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:23,330 Speaker 4: The train finally stopped in Juarez. 395 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:30,050 Speaker 8: People had been killed, children had been taken, people had 396 00:25:30,090 --> 00:25:36,129 Speaker 8: had their stuff stolen. See this, and I thank God 397 00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:38,290 Speaker 8: that we were people that were very blessed. 398 00:25:39,129 --> 00:25:41,090 Speaker 4: A man who saw the family get off the train 399 00:25:41,449 --> 00:25:44,490 Speaker 4: offered to buy them food. Other people gave them drinks. 400 00:25:44,970 --> 00:25:48,730 Speaker 4: Another man even gave them money. They all ate and finally, 401 00:25:49,129 --> 00:25:53,529 Speaker 4: walking distance from the US border, they slept. In the morning, 402 00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:57,969 Speaker 4: US Immigration admitted Yamilies and the children into the US. 403 00:25:58,609 --> 00:26:01,129 Speaker 4: They spent the night in a border patrol tent and 404 00:26:01,169 --> 00:26:05,409 Speaker 4: were given paperwork to start the asylum process. Eventually, they 405 00:26:05,409 --> 00:26:08,889 Speaker 4: were placed on a bus to Chicago. Emilis's daughter Into 406 00:26:08,889 --> 00:26:12,409 Speaker 4: then came to greet her. It was Eamilis's first time 407 00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:17,970 Speaker 4: seeing her daughter in a year and a half. Ran 408 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:24,330 Speaker 4: to each other and hugged and I grabbed my grandson. Together, 409 00:26:24,609 --> 00:26:27,970 Speaker 4: they traveled back to Indiani's new home in Minnesota, where 410 00:26:27,970 --> 00:26:31,810 Speaker 4: the kids enrolled in school, and eventually Eumilis found work 411 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:35,609 Speaker 4: cleaning houses and offices. Over the years, they settled in 412 00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:40,289 Speaker 4: and made a life for themselves. After the break, Eumilis 413 00:26:40,409 --> 00:26:43,770 Speaker 4: tells me about her second separation from her daughter and grandson. 414 00:26:44,369 --> 00:26:52,250 Speaker 4: The night of julio shooting, Jamilis was at work when 415 00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:55,969 Speaker 4: she got her daughter's frantic video call. Inddiani was telling 416 00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:57,330 Speaker 4: her that Ice was at the. 417 00:26:57,290 --> 00:27:01,889 Speaker 7: Door, Condida gonsus jorando. 418 00:27:02,330 --> 00:27:05,689 Speaker 8: She was hidden with her baby in her arms, crying, 419 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:12,169 Speaker 8: my momo wangam and she was saying to me, mamma, 420 00:27:12,689 --> 00:27:14,090 Speaker 8: if they come in, they're going to kill us. 421 00:27:15,050 --> 00:27:18,570 Speaker 4: Teargas had been thrown through the window and so Yamilis's 422 00:27:18,689 --> 00:27:21,889 Speaker 4: daughter and grandson got on the ground. They were phoning 423 00:27:21,889 --> 00:27:22,689 Speaker 4: from under the bed. 424 00:27:24,810 --> 00:27:28,970 Speaker 8: I can show you the video. You can hear everything. 425 00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:33,129 Speaker 4: Jamils pulls out her phone. She had recorded the call, 426 00:27:33,449 --> 00:27:37,850 Speaker 4: and she shows me the video. 427 00:27:40,209 --> 00:27:41,009 Speaker 8: You're going to kill us. 428 00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:53,169 Speaker 4: I asked where Julio and his roommate were while she 429 00:27:53,290 --> 00:27:56,210 Speaker 4: was on the phone with her daughter. Turns out they 430 00:27:56,209 --> 00:27:57,249 Speaker 4: were also on the phone. 431 00:27:57,369 --> 00:28:04,290 Speaker 8: They were there, and they were talking to their mothers 432 00:28:00,770 --> 00:28:06,090 Speaker 8: and because in that moment they thought that they were 433 00:28:06,090 --> 00:28:11,369 Speaker 8: going to kill them mouth and they wanted to say 434 00:28:11,369 --> 00:28:12,570 Speaker 8: goodbye to each of their mother's. 435 00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:17,609 Speaker 4: Emily says that her daughter rightfully didn't open the door, 436 00:28:18,129 --> 00:28:21,330 Speaker 4: but I broke the door down. While she's telling this story, 437 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:24,530 Speaker 4: the toddler runs in. He's bright eyed and wearing a 438 00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:25,609 Speaker 4: little football jersey. 439 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:27,770 Speaker 1: Is this your grandson? 440 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:31,450 Speaker 7: Hi? 441 00:28:31,369 --> 00:28:32,409 Speaker 2: Hello? 442 00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:44,410 Speaker 8: Police took his mind looking, but I don't. He's talking 443 00:28:44,410 --> 00:28:47,250 Speaker 8: about how the bomb came through the window and they 444 00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:49,650 Speaker 8: shut his dad, Julio. 445 00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:52,290 Speaker 7: Candles. 446 00:28:52,610 --> 00:29:03,969 Speaker 8: Grand's talking about the smell. It's smelled ugly smell. Did 447 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:04,690 Speaker 8: it hurt your eyes? 448 00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:19,650 Speaker 1: I did, like the bustle, he. 449 00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:24,769 Speaker 4: Merely says. Her grandson keeps talking about that night. He 450 00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:25,770 Speaker 4: still has nightmares. 451 00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:29,570 Speaker 1: He sleeps with. 452 00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:34,610 Speaker 8: Me, and I hear when he wakes up at night. 453 00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:39,450 Speaker 1: Mom, he's smaller. 454 00:29:40,730 --> 00:29:44,770 Speaker 4: To flee political persecution from one country, the family underwent 455 00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:48,410 Speaker 4: a death defying journey to another country, only to be 456 00:29:48,490 --> 00:29:52,489 Speaker 4: persecuted by that new country's government. Could you ever have 457 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:54,850 Speaker 4: imagined that it would get this bad, that it would 458 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:55,450 Speaker 4: get like this? 459 00:29:56,970 --> 00:30:02,650 Speaker 9: No, it's. 460 00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:10,850 Speaker 8: A beautiful country, and it's four seasons. Hello cold, the heat, 461 00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:13,850 Speaker 8: I like the heat bar. 462 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:18,930 Speaker 4: That first winter, Emilius wore gloves and hats indoors. Wherever 463 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:21,249 Speaker 4: she went. She carried around a space heater that had 464 00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:24,010 Speaker 4: been gifted to her. But seeing how much the kids 465 00:30:24,090 --> 00:30:26,330 Speaker 4: enjoyed the snow the winter has grown on her. 466 00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:34,290 Speaker 8: You may I feel good here. We came to work. 467 00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:46,330 Speaker 8: We came for the good of our children, truly, you guys, 468 00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:48,450 Speaker 8: And next summer are invited to eat at my house. 469 00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:57,330 Speaker 8: If I'm here, We're gonna eat really well. 470 00:31:03,850 --> 00:31:07,610 Speaker 4: On Tuesday, Julio appeared in court to counter the federal 471 00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:11,810 Speaker 4: government's narrative. Lawyers presented photographs showing a bullet hole through 472 00:31:11,850 --> 00:31:14,610 Speaker 4: the front door of Julio's house and a bullet hole 473 00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:17,810 Speaker 4: in one of the bedrooms between a mattress and a crib. 474 00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:22,170 Speaker 4: The judge ordered Julio's release who When Julio left the courthouse, 475 00:31:22,490 --> 00:31:25,730 Speaker 4: ice agents were waiting for him outside. He's now back 476 00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:30,290 Speaker 4: in attention. Indviani was released last week. On the morning 477 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:33,130 Speaker 4: she returned, her son was still sleeping when. 478 00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:33,610 Speaker 1: She woke him. 479 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,450 Speaker 4: He didn't recognize her at first, but then he hugged 480 00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:39,970 Speaker 4: her now he doesn't want to leave her side. He's 481 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:44,050 Speaker 4: afraid Ice will take her again. Jamilis still hasn't left 482 00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:46,969 Speaker 4: the house and her kids have yet to return to school. 483 00:32:05,490 --> 00:32:09,010 Speaker 4: This episode was produced by Emily Condon and me Jonathan Goldstein, 484 00:32:09,209 --> 00:32:12,489 Speaker 4: as well as supervising producer Stevie Lane and Senior producer 485 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:17,090 Speaker 4: Khalila Holt. Fact checking by Andrea Lopez Cruzado. My interpreter 486 00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:20,289 Speaker 4: at Yeami Lyssa's House was Eric Day. Editorial help from 487 00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:24,610 Speaker 4: Nadia Raymond. Special thanks to Melissa Redfield, Ben Nattaphaffrey, and 488 00:32:24,730 --> 00:32:28,730 Speaker 4: Daphne Chen. Sarah Bruguer mixed the episode with music by 489 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:31,289 Speaker 4: Emma Monger. Will be back in your feed in a 490 00:32:31,330 --> 00:32:34,690 Speaker 4: few weeks.