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Speaker 1: podcast this year called The Giants Hangout. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of people that are listeners to The Giants

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Speaker 1: Huddle and Big Bill Kick Off Live haven't had a

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Speaker 1: We have two episodes each week. On Monday, we have

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow, Russ Solisburg, and Howard Cross and usually a

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Speaker 1: You have Madeline Burke, Jonathan Casius and Brandon London doing

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Speaker 1: some midweek talk, some general stuff and also looking ahead

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Speaker 1: But the two groups are very different. You have the

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Speaker 1: So the episode we're gonna play for you today on

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Speaker 1: They have a really good show. They have a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun talking Giants football, on The Giants Hangout. All Right,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest edition of The Giants Hangout, our

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Speaker 2: weekly roundtable discussion, as we recap the previous game and

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Speaker 2: also look ahead while focusing on three themes and a

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Speaker 2: tough loss for the Giants in Western New York as

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Speaker 2: with you, and Howard, I want to start with you

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Speaker 2: because to me, one of the most prevalent themes coming

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Speaker 2: The Giants were zero for five in the red zone,

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Speaker 2: much tells the whole story. There were opportunities for the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think it was just

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't really fault him in that aspect.

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Speaker 4: He had two no games. But in fairness to Saquon,

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's on everybody. But I

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Speaker 3: I'm not faulting them for that. They played a pretty

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Speaker 2: And that's what Tyrod Taylor mentioned after the game he

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Speaker 2: He did acknowledge Tyrod Taylor, though, he said he thought

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Speaker 3: he's a veteran. He knows he looked at the clock.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen seconds. I think you need in theory, you need

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Speaker 3: Now only did we have fourteen seconds? We had fourteen seconds,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know Howard and Howard year old coach Bill Parcells,

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Speaker 4: as you know very well, used to say, no medals

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Speaker 4: But that said, that was a gutsy performance, particularly on

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Speaker 4: a tremendous defensive effort. And what impressed me I saw completely.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've been complaining since we've been doing this

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Speaker 6: I didn't see that last night.

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Speaker 4: I saw guys going to the ball, guys making hits,

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Speaker 4: But I think moving forward now, fans and even the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're gang tackling. They're getting everybody to the

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Speaker 3: what you usually get is a bunch of guys running

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Speaker 2: He was eleven of twelve and he orchestrated two touchdown drives.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking of that last night. I was like,

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Speaker 2: Those are numbers that are not overwhelming in comparison to

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Speaker 2: if the Giants would have had a field goal opportunity

434
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Speaker 2: at the end of the first half, and they didn't

435
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Speaker 2: have issues with clock management, that you would take those

436
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 2: three points. Then at the end of the game you'd

437
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 2: be setting yourself up for a game winning field goal.

438
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Speaker 5: I don't think football is that easy.

439
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Speaker 2: I think that you can't Russ. I want to get

440
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Speaker 2: your thoughts here in a second. I don't think you

441
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 2: could play the mathematical equation where you just add three

442
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 2: points on and everything else stays the same. I think

443
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 2: the Giants philosophy changes in the second half, the Bills

444
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,119
Speaker 2: philosophy changes in the second half. So I know a

445
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Speaker 2: lot of fans who are consuming the game think that

446
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 2: it came down to that one player series.

447
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Speaker 5: I just I don't think it's that simple.

448
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Speaker 3: Russ.

449
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Speaker 6: I agree with you.

450
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Speaker 4: I think Collinsworth might have said that, you know, during

451
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Speaker 4: the game last night, and I disagreed right away. Everything

452
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 4: plays out differently. You don't know how you know you're

453
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Speaker 4: playing with the different spread. You know it's not six points,

454
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Speaker 4: it's nine points. To me, what the killer about missing

455
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 4: that was not just that they came away with they

456
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Speaker 4: didn't get any points, they didn't get that field goal,

457
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 4: but if you get that field goal. To me, what

458
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 4: the big difference was, I think I can't say what

459
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Speaker 4: was going on in the locker room kind of they

460
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,439
Speaker 4: would deflate it a bit. To me, you get the

461
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 4: three points and then you know you're coming out getting

462
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,719
Speaker 4: the ball to start the third quarter. Now you have

463
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Speaker 4: some juice. Now you're revved up. Now the coaches are

464
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Speaker 4: looking at everybody saying we're up nine, let's go make

465
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Speaker 4: it sixteen. It's a whole different mindset. But to say,

466
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Speaker 4: the lack of not connecting on a field goal to

467
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Speaker 4: end the first half, that's what Costure the game.

468
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Speaker 6: I don't buy that. It was just a bad play.

469
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Speaker 6: It was a screw up. It can't happen. It did happen.

470
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Speaker 6: You got to move forward.

471
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, guys, most games decided about three to five plays

472
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Speaker 3: during the game, and you don't know which player it's

473
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Speaker 3: going to be and how it's going to turn out.

474
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Speaker 3: That play actually did decide the game. I hate be

475
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Speaker 3: a bare of bad news. Josh Allen goes, you know,

476
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Speaker 3: ten of eleven or eleven of twelve, that's a great

477
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: great you know, half for him, and you know doing

478
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 3: and doing so his game does not get better than

479
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 3: that in the second half. He's playing at the top

480
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: of his game in the second half to get the

481
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Speaker 3: fourteen points. If the Giants somehow some ways score the

482
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Speaker 3: field goal before halftime, score another field goal, I mean

483
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Speaker 3: that means that they're going to be throwing the ball deeper,

484
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 3: and that puts the ball in jeopardy. That puts Josh

485
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Speaker 3: and those guys and more jeopardy throwing the ball deeper.

486
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Speaker 3: You know what happens is when you get a lead

487
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: and you expect and you expand the lead, you put

488
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 3: more pressure on the other team's offense to make plays.

489
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 3: They don't can't be in conduct, they have to go

490
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 3: deep down the field. Not to mention at the end

491
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Speaker 3: of the game. And I don't you know, I hate

492
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Speaker 3: doing this to refs, but at the end of the game,

493
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: the refs kind of glew to the last call.

494
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Speaker 6: Oh boy, did it? I didn't how you know what

495
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Speaker 6: I actually thought.

496
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Speaker 4: I thought blowing the last call was am I I

497
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Speaker 4: would have questioned the previous call. I thought maybe that

498
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 4: was could have gone either way. I don't think there

499
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 4: was any doubt that that was holding on that last

500
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Speaker 4: call of the game.

501
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they were. They had a couple,

502
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: they had a couple really weird h They had a

503
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: really bad sequence at the end of the game that

504
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: you know, even a touchdown that Josh Allen throws in

505
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: the end zone, they run a pick play and takes

506
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: and they take out our safety, like literally take him out.

507
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 3: And I don't think they really show it on TV,

508
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: but they run a pick to take the safety out

509
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: away from the get the tight end open. The safety

510
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: is laying on the ground, rolling in pain because they

511
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: hit him so hard he lost his breath. And coach goes, Okay,

512
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: guys like, uh, is that a pick? Like and Coach,

513
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 3: I didn't really see it that way. So he's just

514
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: laying on the ground because you know it's and I

515
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 3: don't like using that, but like sometimes and I help

516
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: people all the time if you're if you're a winning team,

517
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: you get more calls. You just do. And the Giants

518
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: got one or two calls at the end heading into

519
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Speaker 3: the end zone that last player. I'm like, if they

520
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: don't if it's not egregious, but it was egregious. They

521
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: should have called it. I don't think that would have

522
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 3: made them win necessarily. But the ball in the you know,

523
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: half foot line or whatever it is. After that, I

524
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Speaker 3: would have.

525
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Speaker 4: Had another chef, another flight.

526
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Speaker 3: At the apple, and I just I don't understand. You know,

527
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: part of the game is part of the game is

528
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Speaker 3: human ara so that that they'll they'll get some red

529
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: flags in there in their mail. But outside of that,

530
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: this is part of the game.

531
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Speaker 2: Well, because we could sit here and analyze officiating till

532
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: we're blue in the face. I mean, every single game

533
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 2: is impacted by a call here, a call there. As

534
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 2: you mentioned, Howard, there's three to five plays whether officiating

535
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: is involved.

536
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 5: But that's why I go back to what happens.

537
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: Earlier in the game and the cumulative effect of having

538
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: all those red zone opportunities and maybe doesn't come down

539
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: to the official throwing an additional flag because Darren Waller

540
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: was held and you get another play if you cash

541
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: in some of those field goals for touchdowns. And to

542
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: your point, Howard, you put the Bills in a more

543
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: precarious spot where Josh Allen has to have fifteen completions

544
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: out of sixteen or seventeen attempts and he has to

545
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: throw another touchdown. It completely changes the thinking of Ken Dorsey,

546
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: the Bills offensive coordinator. And it changes the thinking of

547
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott because see the Bills, they remained in striking distance.

548
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: That was a benefit for them the entire second half.

549
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: The Giants had opportunities to distance themselves and they let

550
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: the Bills hang around in Buffalo, which is a better

551
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: team in the long run. Eventually is going to say

552
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: thank you very much and we'll take it from here.

553
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened.

554
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: Lance. That's fair and unfair. At the same time, they're

555
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: struggling to get themselves back right. You plan what I

556
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: said before the game when I did the intro and

557
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: the radio said, look, the Jats were shorthanded there under man,

558
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: they're missing guys as next man up and all that

559
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: great stuff. The Bills are supposed to win the game.

560
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 3: I get it. But make them beat you, don't give

561
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 3: it to them. And I think, and I think the

562
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: Giants did that last night. They made the Bills beat them.

563
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: They did everything they possibly could do. You know, there

564
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 3: weren't any drops in the end zone right there are

565
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: players getting down close. There weren't any drops and the

566
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: end zone outside the mistake of of going forward in

567
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: fourteen seconds, and I mean, they did pretty much everything

568
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: they could do. The Bills were gonna we would have

569
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 3: thought that they were going to be eight to ten

570
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: sacks in the game before we got started. That's been

571
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Speaker 3: our that's been the way we've been watching, how we've

572
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: been consuming the game. That holy smokes, these guys giving

573
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: us so many sacks this game. They rolled out, they

574
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 3: got the ball like Window Robson. You got to give

575
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: him all the credits in the world. He was, you know,

576
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 3: as a small guy, he was able to somehow, some

577
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: way take some pretty good shots because he got the

578
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: ball up field. It wasn't always catching and getting down.

579
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 3: He was moving the ball up field. Great job. And

580
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: by him catching the ball short, it made everybody else

581
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: look good, you know, everywhere else wall or catching the ball,

582
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: not going down when he caught the ball, trying to

583
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: get the extra yards made a big thing. Slaton came

584
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: up big in the game and high it came up,

585
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: and so I think a lot of good things came

586
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: out of the game. Uh, if the coaches as they

587
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 3: go forward, are they going to keep that kind of

588
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: philosophy where they're gonna try to roll like, Okay, we

589
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: may be giving up half the field, we're gonna try

590
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: to roll. I think the receivers also are gonna look

591
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: back at this tape and they're gonna say like, hey,

592
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: you know what, every other team when the quarterback is

593
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: outside the pocket, they don't just hold to their routes.

594
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 3: They break off routes. They try to find open spaces,

595
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: and you know, and it's hard to do when you're

596
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: when you're not used to doing it. But you know, somebody,

597
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: somebody in the group is gonna be like, okay, I

598
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: can stop right here and them open. You saw you

599
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 3: saw the receiver from Buffalo do it over and over again.

600
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's rolling, rolling and rolling, waiting, waiting, waiting, and

601
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: they just stop, you.

602
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Speaker 6: Guys.

603
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: There was also some discussion after the game. I think

604
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 4: it might have been questioning questions to Dable in the

605
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 4: post game and well, did you think about running the

606
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: ball instead of, you know, trying to throw Tawalla? And

607
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 4: I agreed with throwing the ball simply because listen, if

608
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: it was a different time, a different offensive line, they

609
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: was stopped what was it, two or three times on

610
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: third and one, So to me, I'm listen, I didn't

611
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: have confidence in it, so I thought they made the

612
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: right call. I thought, listen, if had they run it

613
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: and got in, then we would have said great call.

614
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: But the way what was happening during the game, I

615
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: thought it was the right call to try and throw

616
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 4: and not run it.

617
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: Well, they stopped Saquon in the red zone at the

618
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 2: very end of the first half. Yes, what dable reference.

619
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Speaker 2: So there's one example. And Howard, what I would add

620
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: before I let you continue is you brought Darren Waller

621
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: onto this roster for a reason into situations like this

622
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: where he's got the hype. He could box out defenders

623
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: and he had a one on one situation. Unfortunately, there

624
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: was a lot of grabbing that went on, but I

625
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: would think ninety nine percent of the time you want

626
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: to give him a shot to make a play, which

627
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: is why you made that train to bring him in.

628
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: And again, when you check to a run, you checked

629
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Speaker 3: a run and this goes with percentage is also and

630
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you know think thinking about Tyrod, he

631
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: probably thought of this. They had not failed in the

632
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: third and one this season until that play, so he

633
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: probably like third and woman right here to go line.

634
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: This is gonna be perfect. I'll just call it it's

635
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: gonna be good. I'm gonna checkut, I'm gonna check out

636
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: the path. We're gonna we're gonna smash it in. But

637
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, it's between the times that he's in the

638
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: game and the first game of season, there may be

639
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: one offensive lineman playing in the same position. Everybody else

640
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: is like all over the place. So they're gonna get there.

641
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: And I think that they're going to be more improved

642
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: this coming week than they were this past week. I

643
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: just my curiosity is going to be are they going

644
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: to move the pocket and and what kind of routes

645
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 3: so they're gonna running on the backside when they do well.

646
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, again, I think a lot also depends upon you know,

647
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 4: is Dan you're going to be healthy enough to come back.

648
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: Is Andrew Thomas going to be healthy enough to come back? Listen,

649
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: we got a glimpse of what the team can do

650
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: with say Kwan Barkley back in the lineup, So let's

651
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: get all three of them together back in the lineup.

652
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: I think you got everybody in the pocket. I think

653
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: you get everybody there. I think they're still going to

654
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: move the pocket because Daniel can he throws well from

655
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: moving the pocket. As well, just like Tyrod does. I

656
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: think they're gonna do it because it protects It protects

657
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 3: someone alignment, and it helps them get the ball down

658
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: the field, and it also gives the defense, you know,

659
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: puts them in conflict because if higher screaming down the

660
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 3: field is Slaton and screaming down the field, you got

661
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: Waller and Robinson underneath. There's a lot of people to

662
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: try to make it make a differences. The size of

663
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: the field gonna be flooded, and it's gonna be a

664
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: little tougher for defenses if they move the pocket like that.

665
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you brought up wan Dell because Wandell

666
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: is becoming a real weapon underneath. I mean he's quick,

667
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: he's catlike, and you know what, he's a tough little guy.

668
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 4: He can take a hit.

669
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully he larns to get down and get out

670
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: of bounds, because that's not that's not that's not the

671
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: size of person he wanted me with good contact.

672
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Well, and that's why all the things we're talking about, guys,

673
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: is basically laying out what is going to define the

674
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: remainder of the season, and that's going to be whether

675
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: they have all the weapons at their disposal that Howard

676
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: was talking about. It's about putting more points on the

677
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: board because and I know, Howard you're going to point

678
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: to they've dealt with some injuries. I get that, But

679
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, you could also showcase other teams that have

680
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: also lost personnel and still find a way to at least.

681
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: There's no there's no team in the NFL that's lost

682
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: their entire line.

683
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: No but Seattle. The Seahawks.

684
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 2: They lost four of their five starters.

685
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 3: They lost two of their guys.

686
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: But no, but they were down.

687
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 2: They had guys on IR who weren't available coming into

688
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: the game. They may have not lost them during the game.

689
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: Howard out four of their five offensive line.

690
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 5: That's fact.

691
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: That's that's continuity. If you're playing with the same group

692
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: of guys from the first game to that. I don't

693
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: know where you're going with.

694
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is he Carold, you're gonna tell me

695
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: he didn't want two of his offensive tackles back in

696
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: the mix.

697
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 5: It was okay with theos playing.

698
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: But if he's been playing with them from from day

699
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: one to now, they grow with the they grow together.

700
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: They just grow together. Like some of the time when

701
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: i'm watching. When I'm watching these guys play, I know

702
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: for a fact that they don't know who to block.

703
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: And it's not that they don't know who the block

704
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: because of the scheme. It's like, if you're supposed to

705
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: be doubling, we saw guys run through. We saw the

706
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: linebacker run through the line hit the running back in

707
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: the backfield where they're supposed to be doubling the down

708
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: guy and going up to the second level to get

709
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: the guy. No one comes off. No one's coming off

710
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: because you're not sure who's supposed to come off are

711
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: You're not sure when you're supposed to come off. And

712
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: that comes with continuity and pro and reps together. That

713
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: doesn't come with you know, you just well, I'm gonna

714
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: plug you in and we're gonna do that, you know,

715
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 3: combination blocks, all the stuff they do. The three hundred

716
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: pound ballerinas, they got to be in step. You know,

717
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: they're they're they're the h I don't know, the rockets

718
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: if you want to call them. If they're not altogether

719
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: and practicing together all the time, it's really hard for

720
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: them to do it. And I'm not making an excuse

721
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: for them. I just know for a fact that's hard

722
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: for them to do it.

723
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 5: Sure, no communication in chemistry. Okay, I'm not disputing that

724
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 5: at all.

725
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying big picture overall, whether they get some

726
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: guys back or not, the point total has to increase.

727
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: Because how in these five losses they've scored sixteen points

728
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: or less in all five games.

729
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a coincidence. They haven't scored points

730
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 5: in three of those five.

731
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 6: No, but you're right to that point.

732
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 5: Last three.

733
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: I think coming off this game, Look, I'll be frankly

734
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 4: that I don't think there are too many people I

735
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: know I didn't give the Giants a chance to win

736
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: this game. I mean nobody, the most ardent Giants fan

737
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: was looking gloom and dune.

738
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: You have.

739
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: You were going into a tough building to play against

740
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: a powerhouse team with a depleted offensive line, and you

741
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: know what. To Howard's point, they stuck it out. They

742
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: improved as the game went on. We got to see

743
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: a difference. We certainly got to see a difference with Saquon.

744
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 4: So I to.

745
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: Be frank with you, I'm more confident now moving forward.

746
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: Back you get Daniel back, you get Andrew Thomas back,

747
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: I got to see glimpses of what Hyatt can do

748
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: and different things.

749
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we're going to see improvement.

750
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be real surprised if we don't get a

751
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: couple of touchdowns against the Commanders.

752
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 3: I really will, and I don't know win John Michael

753
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: Schmitz come back. When he comes back, that's gon to

754
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: make a huge difference as well.

755
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're talking about multiple starters, and you know

756
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: when Thomas comes back, and to your point, Howard, are

757
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: you gonna have the same guys hopefully playing next to

758
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: one another multiple games that maybe I should say multiple

759
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: series at this point.

760
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 5: Forget games, let's into a multiple series. Make a difference.

761
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: One of the present and I think the most encouraging

762
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: aspect is if the movement of the pocket helped them

763
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: navigate a Buffalo Bills defensive front guys that led the

764
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 2: NFL and sacks coming in and also led the NFL

765
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: and takeaways.

766
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: They protected the.

767
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: Ball and they didn't allow the Bills to damage that game.

768
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: So you get a Washington team that we know has

769
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: four former first round picks who can be just as disruptive.

770
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: If you handled Buffalo quite well, then yes, I would

771
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: agree that's encouraging going up against a Washington team that

772
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have the same track record coming in as the

773
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills did well.

774
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: That that hasn't been that hasn't been helpful so far.

775
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: So we just hope they played better all around.

776
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 6: Amen to that. Yeah, I just think we got again.

777
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: I'll go back to you know, I say it all

778
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: the time some one of my favorite lines, how you're

779
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 4: old coach Parcels no medals for trying, but they would.

780
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 6: Their effort to me last night was a much better effort.

781
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: Than I had seen in previous weeks. There was coh

782
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: that was missing and whatever it was. I'm not saying

783
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: the guys weren't trying, but their effort last night was

784
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 4: a job well done.

785
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 6: It just wasn't good enough.

786
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether they weren't trying or were trying, I just

787
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: thought they had a better attitude towards it. Yes, I

788
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: thought they were really like, you know, trying to whatever.

789
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: For whatever reason. There was much more confidence and they

790
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: really got after it. Whether it's the one guy Pew

791
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: or somebody else, but they really got after it well.

792
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: I think Also the biggest difference was the fundamentals on

793
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball.

794
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: I mean, Russ, you even hit on this.

795
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: On defense, we had been talking about mistackles left and right,

796
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: right on the defensive side and the ball.

797
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 5: You really weren't seeing any of that.

798
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: You were seeing guys in position hustling to the ball,

799
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: not allowing the Bills to get that slippery player too.

800
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: You know how many times did we watch Stefon Diggs

801
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: against the Dolphins slip out of two tackles take it.

802
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 5: To the house. There was none of that.

803
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: There weren't a whole lot of explosive play, So that

804
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: was cleaned from an effort standpoint. And then on offense,

805
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: Howard hit on there wasn't that drop. There wasn't that, agreed,

806
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: miss Mishap. I'll give you that. I still stand by, though,

807
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: if you get the ball twice where your starting field

808
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: position is your own forty two and your own forty four,

809
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: which led to two field goals, that whether or not

810
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: there was an egregious player or not, you still you

811
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: need to walk away with a touchdown at least in

812
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: one of those circumstances.

813
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying, Howard.

814
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: I understand that you know there were things that you

815
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: could point to and say, well, the Giants didn't do

816
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: anything wrong.

817
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 5: It's just on the surface. When you start at that

818
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 5: position and the Bills are giving you half the field.

819
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: A team like that, you gotta find a way to

820
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: punch it in. That's pretty much my main point.

821
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I won't argue.

822
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 5: Well, listen, I'm a little surprised.

823
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: Maybe this is an indication we should ease out of

824
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: the Giants.

825
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 5: Hangout here because.

826
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: I'm not arguing because no matter what I tell you,

827
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 3: you're going to keep going back to the same thing. Man,

828
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: they had to do it. If you played eighty five bears,

829
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: which're not They didn't play the eighty five Bears. You

830
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: weren't scoring. I don't care where you got the ball,

831
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: and that means that you when you're out man, now gone.

832
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: I was impressed and happy with the quote unquote progress,

833
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: especially how they did things you're focusing on, like but

834
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: just they should have done better. I'm like, I was

835
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: happy they got where they were. The improvement was overwhelming.

836
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking at. The fact that they didn't

837
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: get in the end zone. I'm like shows that they're

838
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: they're getting steps and steps closer to doing and the

839
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: goal and I'm not defending them or whatever. I'm just

840
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: saying that I see the improvement even with the with

841
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: the line being the way it is, if they have

842
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: the same amount of provement this following week, I expect

843
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: even a bigger difference.

844
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 5: Well, well, speaking of improvement, go ahead, rush.

845
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: No, I was going to say, I think we can

846
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 4: all agree, Yes, we have seen the improvement. But yes,

847
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 4: even though we've seen the improvement, we've got to see

848
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: more points. Because unless we see more points, we're all

849
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 4: going to be doing this each and every week.

850
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: So let's I appreciate it from Dallas to today. I'll

851
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 3: take what I'm looking at.

852
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: Howard's measuring the glass and he's pointing to the fact

853
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: that it's half full for him, and that's fine, and

854
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: we're just looking at We're looking at the whole glass. Okay,

855
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: we want it to be right at the top where

856
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: it's overflowing. How we want to make sure that your

857
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: thirst is quenched at some point.

858
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 6: Well, now, lenntchu being a little greedy because the glass

859
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 6: has been empty? But bone time, yeah full. I like that.

860
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 5: We'll continue this analogy.

861
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: I like it's something in the glass. You let's move on.

862
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 6: We weren't even getting a shot glass.

863
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: Where we were still washing out the glass, the soap

864
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: in the water. We were cleaning it from the previous season.

865
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: So okay, I think I think the analogy has come

866
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: full circle. The one thing, though, I do want to

867
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: leave us with here, speaking of improvement, Okay, I'll go

868
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: with Howard's team. This was the first time in three

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Speaker 2: so forget the Giants on field product, Howard, your technology

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Speaker 2: made you strides over the span of the last few weeks.

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Speaker 5: I'm impressed. That's what the conversation ship have been about.

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Speaker 3: Jerrys I'm getting a little better every week.

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Speaker 2: And we can absolutely all agree on that front. And

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Speaker 2: that will wrap up the latest edition of The Giants Hangout.

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Speaker 2: As we are with you each and every week. It

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Speaker 2: is our weekly roundtable discussion. We recap the latest game,

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Speaker 2: we look ahead as well, Lance Medow, russ Olsburg, Howard

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Speaker 2: cross with you. You can check it out on Giants

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Speaker 6: We're out.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on the Giants Huddle version

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Speaker 1: of The Giants Hangout. I hope you enjoyed the episode,

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Speaker 1: and again go subscribe if you like what you hear.

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Speaker 1: And again I stress the second episode every week is

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Speaker 1: very different with Brandon Manlin and Jonathan. They do a

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Speaker 1: great job kind of bringing a different flavor to Giants Talk.

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Speaker 1: So make sure you go tune in late on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: The Hangouts usually posted late afternoon, and check out that

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 5: All right, thanks for being with us today.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, have a great week and stay tuned to The

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Speaker 1: Giants Little Podcast for more. We'll try to have our

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Speaker 1: who that's going to be, and then a while of

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Speaker 1: our Friday show with Brian Dable Giants player and a

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Speaker 1: beat reporter covering the Washington Commanders. Thanks for being with

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