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Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,

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Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about

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Speaker 1: the choices we make and where they lead us. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is back for more. You listeners. Absolutely loved

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Speaker 1: her the last time we had her on the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I always love talking to her. She is a

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Speaker 1: wealth of information and I am so excited to chat

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Speaker 1: with her some more today. She's a board certified o

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Speaker 1: of The New Menopause. Please welcome doctor Mary Claire Haver

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Speaker 1: back to the podcast. Hi, doctor Mary Claire. I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad you're here. You are our very first in studio guest.

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Speaker 1: This is really exciting for me because we had this

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Speaker 2: So excited to be here and couldn't make I Choose

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Speaker 2: Me event. I know fires and rescheduling, and when they

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Speaker 2: said she would love to have you come in live

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Speaker 2: to do the podcast, I was like, absolutely, Oh good.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad because yeah, you were very missed at

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Speaker 1: the live event. We had to make do without you, though.

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Speaker 2: But hopefully we heard it was fantastic. We did.

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Speaker 1: We had a great time, and I think we reached

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Speaker 1: a lot of women, so that's all that mattered. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're here, and you just saw my husband moving the

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Speaker 1: car for us out of the bar shot. So you

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Speaker 1: were asking what he does, and I told you he's

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Speaker 1: in the restaurant business, and you said, you're in the

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Speaker 1: You came.

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Speaker 2: My family, So I grew up in a large restaurant family.

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Speaker 2: My parents had their own but my mother is a

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Speaker 2: landry and in the South, Like if your listener's like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, there's this whole Landry's restaurant chain that

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Speaker 2: is huge and kind of got bought out, you know,

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Speaker 2: by a big, bigger conglomerate, but the name's still there.

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Speaker 2: So like, my grandfather's name is on all these restaurants

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Speaker 2: and it's really kind of cool. But I just grew up.

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Speaker 2: My first job was peeling shrimp stuff in crabs, and

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Speaker 2: then I was graduated to being a hostess, and I

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Speaker 2: learned how to wait tables and I became a bartender.

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Speaker 2: That is super fun.

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Speaker 1: All through college, you did all that, and my husband

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know we're speaking and out the

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Speaker 2: late hours, the you know, employee drama, all the things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm learning about all that, especially the employee drama.

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Speaker 1: But it does affect the family. It's all in kind

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Speaker 1: of business, kind of like what you're doing now, Hi,

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Speaker 1: it's your life you have your life has changed dramatically. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what did you always want to be a doctor?

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Speaker 2: No? I wanted to be a movie star, so I

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Speaker 2: thought Vallerina, you know, little girl stuff. And I had

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Speaker 2: cheerleader tryouts. You can't imagine how immaculate the choreography was,

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Speaker 2: What a special bond growing up yeah, he did pass away,

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Speaker 2: so like part of my journey, part of my story

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Speaker 1: What made you want to become a doctor.

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Speaker 2: So I, you know, went to college, not really sure

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I took a few science classes just to

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Speaker 2: And I literally like triped my way into medical school.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a great story. I love the paper bag party.

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Speaker 2: I just knew, you know, I've always been driven. I've

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Speaker 2: I thought I'd just be a really happy basic obgun,

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Speaker 2: Well that I had. Yeah, you know, like the kids

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Speaker 1: What made you want to do that though? What made

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Speaker 2: And my own experience with menopause and realizing that there

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Speaker 2: You know, when ten thousand women on social media send

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Speaker 2: a lot of women as fibromyalgia, you know, frozen shoulders

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Speaker 2: definitely related. And there were two researchers out of Duke University,

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Speaker 2: one lecture in four years in four years. Wow. And

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00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 2: then when I did my ob gyn residency, which I'm

432
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: super proud of, and I learned amazing stuff. I mean,

433
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: I am a boss in a labor room, you know,

434
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: I got it.

435
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 1: I wish you delivered the baby.

436
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 2: I am such a good laborist, Like I am the funnest,

437
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 2: most wonderful, and I got all the skills, you know,

438
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: and I like this handmode. I'm a great surgeon. Yeah

439
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: that was my children, just stosia, you know. But where

440
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: I now realize this huge gap was in menopause care.

441
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: So I did. We did reproductive into chronology. So you

442
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: have obstetrics, right, getting pregnant, staying pregnant, postpartum. That's more

443
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: than fifty percent of our training, which is important. Right.

444
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: We need to be able to bring life into the

445
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: world safely all the things, take care of the emergencies,

446
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: shepherd the healthy pregnancies, you know, and then then gynecology

447
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: is everything else. So in gynecology now the the little

448
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: box that's left for gynecology, we have oncology, so uterine cancer,

449
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 2: vulvar cancer, vaginal cancer, all the gnecologic cancers. We do

450
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of breast, you know, pediatric gnecology, all

451
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: the pediatric things that could happen, how the special treatment

452
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, you know, we do reproductive and ine chronology,

453
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: getting people pregnant and all the kind of intocrine disorders

454
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: that can happen through childhood and women. And then menopause

455
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: is just this little, tiny, tiny sliver. So I got

456
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 2: six hours six one hour lectures my second ear for residency.

457
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: We had no clinics devoted to menopause, you know, and

458
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: if we saw a menopausal patient, you know, we did

459
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: our best to take care of for her, but we

460
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: weren't really weren't given a big tool kit on how

461
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: to help her if she had severe hot flashes. When

462
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: I was training, we offered her hormone therapy. At the time,

463
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: when I went through most of my training, about forty

464
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: percent of women ended up on hormone therapy postmenopause, and

465
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: it was recommended by the American Academy of Physicians, but

466
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 2: it was like all women should consider this, right. And

467
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 2: my very last year is when the bomb dropped from

468
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 2: the Women's Health Initiative and everyone was terrified. Everyone jumped

469
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: and I you know, jump ship threw the prescriptions away,

470
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: terrified that we're going to give people breast cancer and

471
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: that just wasn't true. And the same megaphone that's it

472
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: was like viral before viral. Right. It was the number

473
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 2: one medical news story of two thousand and two. It

474
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: was on the cover of every newspaper. They had a

475
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: press conference, it was on TV. Nancy Snyderman on Good

476
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: Morning America said I would never put a woman on it,

477
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, and she with what was presented to her,

478
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: I can see the reasoning. That's the way I felt too.

479
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: But then as all of that got walked back, no

480
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: one talked about it. No one to this day in

481
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 2: the American College of Obi, jan who I love and

482
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: I'm super proud to be a part of, has not

483
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: changed the menopause hormon therapy guideline since twenty fourteen. It

484
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: is twenty twenty.

485
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: Five is that going to change.

486
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. They kind of have their hands full

487
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: right now with all the reproductive stuff going on. You know,

488
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 2: the American Board is who we get recertified every year,

489
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: and I have to say we had six men out

490
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: of one hundred and twelve for the first time. We

491
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: usually have one maybe a year. We had six menopause

492
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 2: like serious menopause related articles and I did a jig

493
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: a dance of joy. But they're elective. You don't have

494
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: to read them, those particular ones, you know. So it's

495
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: getting better. There's about twenty or maybe thirty percent of

496
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: residencies now that offer an elective menopause course. But it

497
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: is elective. So what I'm demanding. So doctor Jennifer Wiswilf,

498
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: who's an NYU attorney and she's a professor at in

499
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: WYU Law. She and I co author the Citizen's Guide

500
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: in Menopause Advocacy. So we have six policies that we're

501
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: trying to get enacted, and we teach people how to

502
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 2: write your congressman. I still believe in democracy, despite what

503
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: the world is thinking right now about the US, but

504
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: I still believe that we have power and our votes count.

505
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: And so teaching women. These are six policy things, and

506
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: one is mandatory menopause education for all clinicians.

507
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Amen, Okay, I'm at school.

508
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: Every person who's going to touch a woman needs to

509
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: know about menopause and how it affects. And every orthopedic

510
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 2: surgeon needs to know, and every urologist and ever. You know,

511
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: this is big. This is the last third of our life.

512
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: This sounds like a no brainer. It's so horrifying.

513
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: Policy change the other one, Yeah, take the black box warning.

514
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: Have you picked up vaginal estrogen yet? And you should?

515
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: You open up the packet and it's like you're going

516
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: to die. It's not true, Anthony.

517
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: Those letters, so I don't know that. I've already loved

518
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: that vision.

519
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 2: Not to mention the.

520
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: Eyesight is that part that's not related?

521
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 2: Okay?

522
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I was hoping I could blame everything, sadly know. Okay,

523
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: So that's two.

524
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, we have six, So I'm on the spot.

525
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh, black box warning, more education funding funding,

526
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty three, and who knows what's going

527
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: to happen with NIH funding. Things are changing rapidly right now.

528
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: But let's goh, historically, in twenty twenty three of a

529
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 2: forty three billion dollar budget, ten to fifteen billion went

530
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: to women's health. Most of that was reproduction, right, and

531
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: a little bit to ovarian uterine cancer. Important stuff. We're

532
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: half the population, Okay, menopause got one five million, fifteen

533
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: out of forty three billion dollars. That's point oh three percent.

534
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: Point oh three percent. So right, now, you go to PubMed,

535
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: which is the clearinghouse of medical journal articles where I

536
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: go to look for stuff, important stuff. Right, I type

537
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: in the word pregnancy, so that means every time pregnancy

538
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: is mentioned in an article, we got about one point

539
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: one million articles. We are just ripe juicy with obstetric information,

540
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: even though we have terrible obstetrical outcomes in the US

541
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: compared to other industrialised country. But that's another conversation. Ye.

542
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Then I type in the word menopause. We have ninety

543
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: eight thousand, more than ten to one. So that's brain power,

544
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: funding expertise, people who give a shit. I type in

545
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: the word perimenopause six thousand, eight hundred. Okay, that is

546
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: why I'm so excited that you're writing the new Perimenopause,

547
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: because that is an audience that really needs So I'm

548
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: running off of those six thousand, eight hundreds compared to

549
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: the sixty eight thousand. I had to write the new Menopause.

550
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: That's like, it's a lot of gray area. It's a

551
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: lot of you know, me talking to the menopause. What

552
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: are you doing here? I mean, we're just a think

553
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: tank at this point. What are you doing? What are

554
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: you doing? It's worldwide, so it's it's a really cool

555
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: collaboration of these incredibly bold, brave, smart clinicians who are

556
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: fighting for women after you know, all women, but really

557
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: after reproduction. It's really our focus.

558
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: You talked about the new administration and how that everything

559
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: is changing so rapidly. Is that going to affect the funding.

560
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I know, NIH budgets are being cut

561
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: and certain terms are being limited, you know, they're kind

562
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: of being flagged for review, so anything, you know. I

563
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: saw the list and sadly, you know, for us, anything

564
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: that contained the word woman or female or gender. And

565
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: what shocked me is it didn't like male wasn't on there.

566
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, if we're going to be equal, we're

567
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: just gonna it's all humans. We're just a human and

568
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: not male female. But it was only women. But I'm

569
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: praying and hopeful that clear Heads will realize you know,

570
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: as the studies come through, it gets flagged, they'll have

571
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: another set of eyes looking at and say, oh, this

572
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: was a menopause thing. This is not you know, whatever

573
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: they're trying to limit. So but again what's exciting is

574
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: if we can't use ANIH, there are big private funding sources.

575
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: We have other sources of funding, right And for example,

576
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: Lisa Mosconi, who wrote The Menopause Brain, just got a

577
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: fifty million dollar grant from Welcome Leap And it's all

578
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: like she doesn't have to public like you know, the

579
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: way the machine of how publications are done and nih

580
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: funding and how much the university takes. She doesn't have

581
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: to worry about any of that. All she has to

582
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: do is solve a problem. And it's how much is

583
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: menopause related to Alzheimer's disease. So when my patients come

584
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: to me, they want to put out the menopause fire,

585
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: they want to become functional again. And that's actually easy

586
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: for me to help them with. Okay, we get them

587
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: back to where they're like I got this, I can

588
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: handle my stress, I got my family, you know, I

589
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: got it, I'm back in my job, I'm doing whatever.

590
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: Then we talk about the next thirty years and the

591
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: diseases that are plaguing her elders. We talk about heart disease,

592
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: we talk about dementia, We talk about astroporosis, fracture and frailty,

593
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: and where menopause fits into all all that, and what

594
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: are the habits, the lifestyle changes we're going to do

595
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 2: to decrease that risk. So's I'm so excited that, you know,

596
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: doctor Mosconi was able to step out of the traditional

597
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 2: nih you know, and find this beautiful funding and it

598
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: is so outcome driven and not publish this paper, you know,

599
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: Da Da da publisher parish. You know, we've set up

600
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: this kind of crazy system and how we generate research

601
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: in this country, good and bad, you know. And so

602
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: for her it's really freeing to step out of the

603
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: system and just be evidence focused, right and outcome focused.

604
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: And she's doing it in three years.

605
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: Wow.

606
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: And so when you think of fifteen million dollars, she

607
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: was fighting for a piece of that fifteen million dollar

608
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: pie in twenty twenty three, and they just gave her

609
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars for herself. That's pretty to make this

610
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: happen and she's hiring researcher. I mean, it is like

611
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: amazing and she's going to solve this in three years.

612
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: All right, that is exciting because yeah, I mean now

613
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: being in menopause no longer in perimenopause, I want to

614
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: know what's next is when I'm done with menopause, what happens?

615
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Or when am I done with menopause?

616
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: So postmenopaus is forever. So we've not been able to

617
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: figure out how to resuscitate the overrease, right, and so

618
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: you living without the natural production of vestrodyl and progesterone

619
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: is the rest of your life, right, So your bones

620
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: are always going to be affected, your general urinary system

621
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: is always going to be affected, your skin's always going

622
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: to be affected. You know, all of these things are

623
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: still happening. Hormone therapy can attenuate a lot of that.

624
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 2: But we're still aging and we're accepting that.

625
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: Right.

626
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: We know we're getting older. But what we're trying to

627
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: do is slow down the acceleration that you know, for

628
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: in premenopausal women enjoy better health than men. Typically, we

629
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: have better mental health. In general, we have better heart health,

630
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: but all of that goes to SHDT across the menopause transition.

631
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: And what we're learning now is by supporting women's hormones

632
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: through the transition and post we can slow some of

633
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: that down and give her back resilience. But you know,

634
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: when you watch the Wellness Bros. And the let's get

635
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: in the sauna and let's do the ice bath, I'm

636
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: like the wellness Bros. Any conversation about a female and

637
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: her health and longevity that doesn't include menopause is a mistake.

638
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: You know, you can't wellness your way out of menopause,

639
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: and so you can make your body more resilient to

640
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: certain things, and you definitely can broad dog menopause. You

641
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: don't have to be on hormone therapy. That doesn't but

642
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: it makes a lot life harder. Yeah, it can be

643
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: a lot harder.

644
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: What I mean, why would they? I'm I really want

645
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: to talk more about you, Claire, but I'm still so

646
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: fascinated by all the menopause discoveries and the research. What

647
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: so I'm not ever going to be out of menopause

648
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: or I'm going to go into what's called post menopause.

649
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: So your postmenopause menopause like is one day, one year

650
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: your final mistial period. That is the medical definition of menopause.

651
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: But here's my joke. What if it's leapier. Do you

652
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: have to go three hundred and sixty six days? What

653
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: if you've had a hysterectomy, What if you've had an

654
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: inblation for marine A? You do you don't have periods?

655
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: What if you don't? What if you have pcos like,

656
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: do you not get to be menopausal because you didn't

657
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: hit the year? I mean, it's so random and arbitrary.

658
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: It is ovary in failure. This is what menopause is.

659
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: So you have before the overars fail and after the

660
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: ovaries fail, and then you know, our age twice as

661
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: fast as any other organ in our body. And it's

662
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: just reality, and we don't know how to slow it down.

663
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: We could speed it up. If you smoke, if you

664
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: have radiation, if you have dominal surgery, if you have

665
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: a C section, if yes, direct me. You know, we

666
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: tend to chip off some of the life of the ovaries.

667
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: But we know that if you don't do those things,

668
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: and you eat a healthier diet and you exercise regularly,

669
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: you can stretch as much as the genetic capability of

670
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: your ovaries that you have. And that's like what the

671
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: New perimenopause is about, is like setting these women up

672
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: for success, right.

673
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Right, setting them up for success. I think that's so important.

674
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: And it's for my daughters, yes, and for my daughters

675
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: who never heard the word menopause.

676
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: My daughters, God bless them, they know a lot. It's

677
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: just their vocabulary now.

678
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I think my daughters too, and my husband too, Like

679
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: it's it's not a word that it's like anymore, and

680
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: it's not taboo. No, we talk about it and I

681
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: blame everything on it. Yeah, And every time you know,

682
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: my body hurts, I don't. I'm not afraid to stand

683
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: up and say, oh, my body's aching today. And I

684
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: feel like I have justification for those and it's not

685
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: in my head right now, and I'm not just being complaining.

686
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: Well, what I love about the New menopause is so

687
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: many women have reached out and said, you've validated what

688
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 2: I'm going through and how much quartersol did we lower

689
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: just by doing that, just by explaining what's happening, taking

690
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: the mystery and the shame and the you know, the

691
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: confusion out of it, being like, oh this makes sense, Okay,

692
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: it still sucks, but you know, for a lot of women.

693
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: But like, I get it, I get what's going on.

694
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: Let's let's figure out, you know, let me go find

695
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: a partner in this and let me change my diet,

696
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: let me fix my nutrition, and you'll do whatever I

697
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: need to do. But like, just knowing that they're armed

698
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: with information, they're making great decisions for themselves, and they're

699
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: ending up. I mean, females live longer than men. We

700
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: win guys, you know, the longevity race, but we're not

701
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: having good health space. Right. Women are ending up in

702
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of their life span being in poorer

703
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: health than their male twin would.

704
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: Be because our bodies are made differently, are because we work.

705
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 2: So much harder well, the emotional labor. You know, there's

706
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: a lot of factors keying into this. My sister is

707
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: the de facto eldest daughter in town with my mother

708
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: who's aging, and she is also a nurse, so she

709
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: is managing the bulk of my mother's care. I'm out

710
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: of town right and I'm flying around doing interviews and

711
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: my sister is there doing the work, and I'm wondering

712
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: how much of her life we're chipping away at because

713
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: of the stress the day to day. My mother is

714
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: dementia and broke a hip, and you know, managing all

715
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: these decisions, and that is the plight of most women.

716
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: And you know, the eldest daughter ends up in a

717
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: lot of families being the caretaker. So how much is that,

718
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: you know? But what I want your listeners to understand

719
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: is I'm super happy. I am literally living my best life.

720
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a fully menopausal woman. I have better boundaries.

721
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: You know, I did all the things. I got therapy,

722
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: I learned how to journal, I learned how to take

723
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: time for me, choose me. I put my own oxygen

724
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: mask on first, prioritize my needs, my wants, and I

725
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, I don't feel selfish about it anymore?

726
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: Did you? At first? Oh? Absolutely, I'd always put everyone before.

727
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: That was my role, that was my job. I put

728
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: my patients before, you know, my children, the niece, and

729
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: my husband his career. And then finally I was like, no,

730
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: I can't keep going like this and be menopausal with

731
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: horrible symptoms and not sleeping and you know, this crazy

732
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: weight gain. And I would you know, had I not

733
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: completely like thrown out the rule book and started from

734
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: scratch and figured it out and taught everybody. As I

735
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: was going along the way, everything I was learning, I

736
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't be here today. Yeah, and I am in a

737
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: great spot. I am so looking forward to the next

738
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: thirty years.

739
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: I love that message because, yeah, I feel healthier than

740
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: I've ever felt. Okay, I have so many questions. At

741
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: my recent I Choose Me Live summit, I was talking

742
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: to Sasha Petersa who suffers from PCOS. What is the

743
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: deal with menopause and PCOS?

744
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: Oh, that is such a tough one because, you know,

745
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: forever in medicine we have used menstrual cycles to kind

746
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: of gauge where you are in menopause, because for most

747
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: women the cycles become somewhat irregular, and it's any kind

748
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: of a regular two mitsu two, you know, but towards

749
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: the end you start skipping periods. Women with PCOS don't

750
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: have who untreated don't have regular periods in general, and

751
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: so they have no man today. Know, and so a

752
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: lot of late perimenopause looks almost exactly on a biochemical

753
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: basis without the you know, like PCOS, our insular resistance increases,

754
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: you know, you start developing visceral and body fat. You

755
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: almost become like a mini PCOS patient on your way

756
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: into full menopause. So it can be really and I

757
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: have a blog about it, and I have a little

758
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: checklists like PCOS and then menopause and like where things

759
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: line up and then where you can tell the difference.

760
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh God, you have post recently and it had some

761
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: crazy ass chart about your hormone fluctuation.

762
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: The zone of chaos.

763
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: I was blown away at that. I'm going to put

764
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: that up for our listeners to see the visual of

765
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: the graph that was just all over the spaghetti and

766
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: then it flatlined.

767
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: And then it flat lines. So in premenopause, most women

768
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 2: have seen the monthly hormone curved looks like an EKG. Right,

769
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: you have a astra starts out low and then it

770
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: surges in ovulation. Then it kind of like tapers off,

771
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: and then progesterone after ovulation goes up, and that's when

772
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: our temperature goes up. Like anybody's been through a fertility

773
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: treatment or natural family planning, you know, we all kind

774
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: of get that, and all all clinicians know this by heart,

775
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 2: so that that is a monthly EKG for a healthy woman.

776
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: You know, day twelve, she's doing this, Day eighteen, she's

777
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: doing that, And it repeats over and over and over

778
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: again beautifully, unless she's pregnant or going through something really stressful,

779
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: or you know, we're suppressing with birth control pills. In perimenopause, now,

780
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: the reason why we ovulate is not the ovaries, it's

781
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: the brain. It starts in the brain, the hypothalmus gland

782
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: in our brain, it's constantly sensing for estrogen, looking for it.

783
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: When it gets low, it sends a kickstart signal to

784
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: the pituitary gland, saying, dude, tell the ovary to get

785
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: to work. We need an egg, we need some messrogen.

786
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: We've got to get this level back up. And over's

787
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: like got it, boss, and pumps out something called LH

788
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: and FSH to the ovary. That jump starts ovulation, and

789
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: then the whole thing starts over again, and that is

790
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: just predictable month after month. In perimenopause, we reach a

791
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: critical egg thresh hold level. We're born with all of

792
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: our eggs. Menopause is the end of your eggs no more.

793
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: We exhaust the supply. So for everyone and it's a

794
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: different threshold, but whenever your preset threshold is that you

795
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: have two million eggs left, whatever it is, a million,

796
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: ten thousand, The signal coming from the brain stops working.

797
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: There are not enough follicles to recruit. So the brain

798
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: is like, where's my estrogen? And the petuitiary is like,

799
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: I sent the signal and we wouldn't respond as being

800
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: you know, the door is shut. We're not here in

801
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: the knock at the door. And the brain is like,

802
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: f this, and so it starts pounding the ovary with

803
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: higher and higher levels of FSH, which is why FSH

804
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: levels rise in perimenopause to force the ovulation, and that

805
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: creates a hormonal zone of chaos. We end up in

806
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: these wild fluctuations of estradle much higher than you ever

807
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: had in your premenopausal years, and they crash and you're

808
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: and they're very unpredictable when the surges happen, and then

809
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: progesterone never kind of gets as high as it used.

810
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: To in your premenopausal years, and then what happens when

811
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: it's flat.

812
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 2: And then when you run out of eggs, no estrogen,

813
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: no estradyle, no progesterone, and f sagenlite to stay elevated.

814
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: And it's just.

815
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good. The flat lining does not sound like.

816
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: What I want. Fortunately, with we can replace what's missing

817
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: in a very bioidentical way with inexpensive FDA approved ups

818
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 2: for most women, and they work great, and women feel

819
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: a lot better, and their bones are stronger, and their

820
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: general urine every system is healthier, and their skin is

821
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: more resilient, and their brains are more resilient. The best

822
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: treatment in perimenopause for new onset depression or anxiety is

823
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: not an SSRI. It is hormone.

824
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: That's what they give you. Though. Yeah, we're getting there, okay,

825
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: So I'm on all the hormones like you because you

826
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: told me you were on the trifecta.

827
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, I gotta give me some of that trifecta.

828
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Feel amazing?

829
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: How do you feel amazing? Right?

830
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: What happens if I forget the patch? Because you have

831
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: to do it every twice a week.

832
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Twice a week, So that happens to me. Actually, we

833
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: were looking at my team over there. I was like,

834
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: what day is it? What day is it? Yeah, I'm

835
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: great when I'm at home because I have all my

836
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: little triggers. But I was like, oh, it's Wednesday. You

837
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: lose track, you lose track. You know, the patches give

838
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: you a little bit of grace. You know, they should

839
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: be changed every three to four days. If you go five,

840
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: nothing bad, it's going to happen. And one time I

841
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: really forgot and it took a whole week before I

842
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: started having hot flashes again.

843
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: Oh they came back right away.

844
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, progesterone. I do not forget, because this girl likes

845
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: to sleep and without the progesterone.

846
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: I think that was the initial reason when I started

847
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: HRT was that I was losing sleep. And for me,

848
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: that was a deal breaker. I can't function without sleeping.

849
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: Everything in me hurts, my brain doesn't work. I'm not

850
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: pleasant to be around.

851
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the first thing. Like I lown in

852
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: on with my patients is like, we've got to get

853
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: you sleeping. And it's not going to be a sedative.

854
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: You know, long term sedative use, long term benadrual use,

855
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: long term melotonin use is fraught with cognitive disorders down

856
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: the line. Short term you're sure you go to a

857
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: different time zone, somebody you know you have an acute response, Yeah,

858
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: of course, no problem. But like using that dependently to

859
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: go to sleep every night is not healthy. What about trasodone.

860
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Trasodone has an addictive potential. And so what the studies

861
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: are showing is that long term use of sleep aids

862
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: are not good for cognition long term, some of us

863
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: in the menopause, the world think is it's not the

864
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: maybe the medication as much as not sleeping. Right that

865
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: women who don't sleep, well, that's when you recharge your brain.

866
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: And if you're having disrupted, not deep and you're not

867
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: getting all the phases of sleep. Now that I wear

868
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: an ORR ring, it's charging. I wear a ring to

869
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: track my sleep because I have to protect my sleep

870
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: with my life because my mother has Alzheimer's and I

871
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: am doing all the things working on alcohol. But you know,

872
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: all the things that I can to try to decrease

873
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 2: that risk for myself so I don't burden my children.

874
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: So what are the greatest risks for Alzheimer's? Do you

875
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: think alcohol?

876
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: You mentioned, Yeah, Lisa Mosconi wrote a beautiful book about it.

877
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: There's like fourteen and we just had a live But

878
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, smoking, insulin resistance, diabetes, sedentary lifestyle, you know

879
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: all the things that lead to heart disease and diabetes

880
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: and stroke, are all kind of in that list poor

881
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: dietary choices, things that will decrease your risk social connection.

882
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: You know, Mama, when my dad died, I mean, bless

883
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: her hearts, lost three kids and her husband, you know,

884
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: and I think i'd let myself up in my house too.

885
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: She just kind of shut the world out and started

886
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: drinking a lot more. I think she was self medicating.

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: And so I'm certain this it hastened her journey to Alzheimer's.

888
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: And I can't blame her for that. And I'm just

889
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: trying to have compassion for her to birthday today, say

890
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: a birthday. She had a good day yesterday, so I

891
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: was able to have a reasonable conversation with her. I'm sure,

892
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: happy birthday. And but you know, just frankly, I'm like, Okay,

893
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: you know, what habits did mom have that I should

894
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: really work it avoiding and let's get some therapy and

895
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: let's get these things on the front end so that

896
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: when the terrible things happened, I don't isolate and shut

897
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: everyone out of the world, you know, and just go

898
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: into a kind of a dark place.

899
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: It's so easy to do, you brain fogs. Happened.

900
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: It happened. My name is menopause nice to me?

901
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: It's the best I did QBC Live on airs. Middle

902
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: my sentence, I'll be like, oh, yeah, no, idea what

903
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

904
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: So I just kind of yeah, they're fine. I love you.

905
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: They don't know, they don't know. You talk so much

906
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: about menopause. You educate so many women. You devote your

907
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: life to delivering the messages that change people's lives. And

908
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: so often we're getting these messages from left and right,

909
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: and it's all of our social media and there's so

910
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: many things, and it's very overwhelming. What would you say

911
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: to the person me who is overwhelmed by all the information?

912
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: You know, find a source you trust. It's like walking

913
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: into Barnes and Noble back in the day when we

914
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: did that, right, And you see all the magazines, right,

915
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: and they're shiny, and which one do I want? And

916
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: they all have these beautiful things on the cover. They

917
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: have these catchphrases and these lines, and you're just like, oh,

918
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: which one do I read? And believe you have to

919
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: sample and then you have to look at credentials really

920
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: is one thing, and you know, where's the information coming

921
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: from and what do they have to gain? Right? Are

922
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: they trying to dissuade you from a certain thing to

923
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: get you to buy their product. Right, that's a little

924
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: bit of a red flag. Are they, you know, truly

925
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: looking out for your best health and behavior? Are they

926
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: calling them you know, are they using a credential but not?

927
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: You know, really you should have whatever your m d

928
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: d o. You know what, if you're calling yourself a

929
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: clinician online, you really should in the in your bio

930
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: have clearly your credentials listed. And when that's kind of

931
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: sketchy when I see people who have that stuff and

932
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: just listen to the message. You're an intelligent woman. You

933
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: know what is resonating with you for me? Right? What

934
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: is resonating for you? And does that make sense to you?

935
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: And does that make you feel better? Go for it?

936
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 2: That's good information then.

937
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's very hard to jump into what

938
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: we talk about all in about changing our lives to

939
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: assure us that we're not going to go down the

940
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: same road as our parents who might not be healthy,

941
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: and it is daunting.

942
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: But like, stick to the basics first, right, you see

943
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: all the micro stuff like the sauna and I have

944
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: a red light, so full disclosure. But you know, the

945
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: red light in the sauna. But you know, if you're

946
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: not sleeping eight hour Like, there's some basic stuff, low

947
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: inflammatory nutrition, eating pro pattern, right, and I know you're

948
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: doing that, but like, look at your food, look at

949
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: the basics your food. How are you moving your body?

950
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: We need to be weightlifting, We need to be we're

951
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: doing a resistance training. Otherwise your muscles are deteriorating in

952
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: front of you. And this is an age related thing

953
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: that's accelerated with menopause. It doesn't have to happen, but

954
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: it takes work. Are you getting enough protein? And we

955
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: were joking off camera, you know, it's our full time

956
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: job to find protein sources. I wish it was in

957
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: a pill that we could tolerate. Can you invent a

958
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: protein healthy I just can't take one. It's just a

959
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: bigger you know, to get that many amato acids. It's

960
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: hard to like get this.

961
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: I'll take more than one if you just make that

962
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: for me.

963
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, one of my teammates is doing perfect demino,

964
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: so I have to look into that. Yeah, yee. So

965
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, I think now that focus is on protein

966
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: and the benefits of making sure and I'm not talking

967
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, I was talking to one of

968
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: the other podcasts this week about high protein. I go,

969
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I'm just trying to

970
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: get enough for me. Yeah, you know, it was more

971
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: than I was used to getting. So this is now

972
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: a job for me is to figure out how to

973
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: work this end of my life in a reasonable fashion. Right.

974
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: It's it's not easy, but it is doable. Yeah, if

975
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: we start focusing on the right things, and we start

976
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: focusing on choosing ourselves and taking better care of ourselves,

977
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, everyone's going to

978
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: be off doing their own thing and we're going to

979
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: be sitting there.

980
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: I want my kids to feel like they have to

981
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: stop their lives and take to come in. Yeah ten

982
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: to me, No, you know, I want them to flourish

983
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: and fly. And the last couple of weeks, gather around

984
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: and you know, like my dad, my dad had a

985
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: beautiful death. We all kind of realized that about a

986
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: month out. You know, we started making plans to come in.

987
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: We were all there the last couple of weeks and

988
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: sang songs and told stories and he slipped into unconsciousness

989
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: the last couple of days and we were all there

990
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: and it was it was beautiful.

991
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: That's all you can ask, you know.

992
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, the women in my family are in

993
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: nursing homes for years with like falling and you know,

994
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: with anxiety and all these things, and I'm like, God,

995
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: this is not a beautiful death. And so many women

996
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: in our lives are being denied that, you know, from

997
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: not being set up for success to age.

998
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, this is all about setting us up for success,

999
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: about longevity. I love that, you know, I know your

1000
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: life changed so much recently, Like we started initially talking

1001
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: about how's that affected you on a personal note and

1002
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: affected your family. Because fame comes fast and hard sometimes

1003
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: I talked.

1004
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: A little bit about it, and you've dealt with it

1005
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: for a very long time. But you know, not everyone

1006
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: is happy with what I say and do, and I

1007
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: definitely have, you know, for me, having been the straight

1008
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: A student, top of my class, the top producer at

1009
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: my hospital. You know, I was always used to being

1010
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: the it girl, the star, the you know everyone.

1011
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: Because you have that drive you have that you want

1012
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: to achieved.

1013
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to. I was a number one people pleaser

1014
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: and one of the hardest things for me. But making

1015
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: this shift and choosing social media as a platform to

1016
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: educate and realizing that I'm a good science communicator. You

1017
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: are the criticism and the people and the people who

1018
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 2: doubt what my motivations are and where I'm coming from.

1019
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: And that is a path I've never dreamed about navigating.

1020
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: And it is a every day having to take a

1021
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: deep breath and go back to my therapist who says,

1022
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: what do you know is true? What do you know

1023
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: is true about you? And I'm like, I want to

1024
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: change the world. I don't want I want for our

1025
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: daughters to be able to navigate menopause without a care

1026
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 2: in the world that it is not a major trend

1027
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: into where she feels lost and she's hurting and she's

1028
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 2: you know, it's the number one time for a woman

1029
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: to commit suicide forty percent of cares by some mental

1030
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: health disorder. Divorce rate skyrocket for I feel good reasons.

1031
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: We feel so like just laws.

1032
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: You know, like that book, there's a reason why it

1033
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: resonates with so many people, And I'm like, if I can,

1034
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: just in the littlest way change that narrative, then the

1035
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: haters are worth it, because I know what's true, and

1036
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: I know me so it's it's good and bad. It's

1037
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: been a lot of life lessons to be learned. But

1038
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm here and I'm not stopping.

1039
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: I know we talked earlier, I think a few months

1040
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: ago when you were kind of struggling with a hit

1041
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: of wall. Yeah.

1042
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: I took a break, It's okay, deep breath, gathered my

1043
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: family around me, and said, what do I want? What

1044
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: do I want to do? When were they?

1045
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: Did they boost you up to the totally?

1046
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: I have the world's greatest friends and team and family

1047
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: and my kids. My kids are probably my daughter to

1048
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: med school. So she's like trying to act like it's

1049
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: not a big deal kind of you know, and she's

1050
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: going through her own journey. She's assured me she's not

1051
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: going into oubiju an you know, she's thinking maybe psychiatry

1052
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 2: or in Tonal Madison. We'll see, you know. She hasn't

1053
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 2: even done her real rotations yet. My youngest is doing

1054
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: PR and marketing and mass calm. So I've taken her

1055
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: to events, I've brought her to New York. She's done internships.

1056
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: And is that the one I met at Hello Sunshine?

1057
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so that was Maddie, And so you know,

1058
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 2: they're they're proud, they're a little like, whoa, what just happened?

1059
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why are these people coming up to my Yeah?

1060
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 2: Like, you know, one time we were out celebrating my

1061
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: niece's birthday in New Orleans, and you know, I get

1062
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: recognized now and we're just like in the corner and

1063
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: like we're dancing the girls. It was my sister and

1064
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: my two daughters and her daughter and like the boyfriends

1065
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: and stuff, and this woman comes up so sweet and

1066
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. And my younger daughter like

1067
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: kind of rolled her eyes a little and was like, oh,

1068
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: here we go, you know, and the woman, thank god

1069
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: didn't see. And I was gracious and we took a

1070
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: picture and she went about her way. And the next

1071
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: morning I got up and I looked at my daughter

1072
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: and I said, I get it. You did not ask

1073
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: for this, and I'm so sorry, I said, but this

1074
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: is our life right now, and I don't think it's

1075
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: going to be stopping anytime soon. Can you handle it?

1076
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: She says, yeah, Mom? And I was like, we need

1077
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: to learn to be gracious. That woman was brave enough

1078
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: to come up to me, and she didn't want to

1079
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: interrupt our party, but she felt it was important enough

1080
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: for her to share whatever she wanted to share with me,

1081
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: and I did want to disrupt the party, but you know, this,

1082
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: this is our life, and you know, just us having

1083
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: that communication, she was like, Okay, I don't know how

1084
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: you manage it with your kids for so many years,

1085
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: but you know, this is new and it's like been

1086
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: in the last couple of years since COVID really and

1087
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 2: we could travel since COVID. So but people are so

1088
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: gracious and kind.

1089
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: Every airpoor bathroom, they just want to they come up

1090
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: and share and share connect. Yeah, and that can be scary,

1091
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: but once you embrace it and you see the effect

1092
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: that you're having on so many people, and then you

1093
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: in return feel how that pushes you forward, it propels

1094
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: you to continue doing it.

1095
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: There's so much love there, there's so much much food

1096
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: that I just I'm embracing it. So but you know,

1097
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: I had to talk to my daughter and be like,

1098
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: don't worrialize in public. I know it's okay.

1099
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: I always try to like kind of remove the photograph

1100
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: taking from my kids so they're not like just standing

1101
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: there like, yeah, mom, exactly. How about like on a

1102
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: personal level, in your marriage, I know you said before

1103
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time supporting your husband.

1104
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: Has been the coolest thing. I married a rock star

1105
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize it. Like I mean, he's a

1106
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: great like world's greatest father, provider, all the things, check

1107
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: the boxes, you know. But as this has grown, he

1108
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: retired from his oil and gas, Like he reached the

1109
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: rule of ninety. If you've ever had anybody in a

1110
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: corporate world, you know they have this age and years

1111
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: of service where they get full retirement benefits. And like

1112
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: he had been kind of quietly helping out in the business,

1113
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: like we have our supplement line and it's it's done

1114
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: really well. And so I was getting frustrated with contracts

1115
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: and negotiations, and you know, he has an MBA and

1116
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: he's an engineer, and so he kind of started putting

1117
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: a toe in the water and meeting with contractors and

1118
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: doing stuff and just making my life so much easier.

1119
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 2: And so as his retirement age was getting closer last year,

1120
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 2: I said, you know, you're doing so much. Now I'm

1121
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 2: going to have to hire. You know, we keep growing.

1122
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: We grew three hundred percent in one year. I'm gonna

1123
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: have I here's someone and pay them your chevron salary

1124
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: to do what you're doing now, And he was like, oh,

1125
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: since you put it that way, I said, you can

1126
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: come work for free, you know. But we work from home.

1127
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: I have a clinic, but you know, I'm in clinic

1128
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: to day's a week, but the days I'll work from

1129
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: home when I'm doing like the business end or researching

1130
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: or writing the book. We're in like separate areas of

1131
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 2: the house. But I can hear him on calls and

1132
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, he's so hot to him to his thing,

1133
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: you know. And we are closer now than we've ever been.

1134
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of couples really can't work together,

1135
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: and I thought that would be us. I'm sequestered in

1136
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: another room because we're both on calls, but we're just

1137
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: doing this together and we're building it together. Oh.

1138
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: I love that, and I've always wanted that.

1139
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: I and I. You know, this was an accident that

1140
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: the way it all happened, but it is a skill

1141
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: set I didn't realize he had. And we are absolutely

1142
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: hand in hand to bring this together. And he's so supportive.

1143
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 2: Like I get lost in the sauce right and all

1144
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'll look down and he's put a

1145
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: plate of food in front of me. You know when

1146
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: forever I was the cook. You know, I come from

1147
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: a restaurant family. And he's like, well, he says, I

1148
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: just want to eat, so and you're so busy you

1149
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: don't really you stop eating. Yeah, and so he's like,

1150
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: if I want to eat, I need cook. So he's

1151
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: taken over since you know he's working from home, like

1152
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: semi retired. He says, he's working for a startup. You know,

1153
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: it's our family business.

1154
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: So it's that woman business. By the way, I just

1155
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: ordered yesterday for the first time your supplements. I ordered

1156
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: the fiber that you cannot wait because I need more fiber.

1157
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: We all need more fiber in addition to our proteins.

1158
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: So once you come out with the protein pill, let

1159
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: me know. And I got what else? Did I get?

1160
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: The creating that one? Okay, we just have a few.

1161
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not overwhelming your supplement.

1162
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: These are nutritional things that women tend to not get

1163
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: in there. Pause and my patients were coming in with

1164
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: all this stuff with fillers and additives, and I was like, yeah, yeah,

1165
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 2: you know it is. That's another really crowded space where

1166
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: it's hard to see and I was like, can I

1167
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 2: look into you know, my business partner and I let's

1168
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: suck and do it, Like, like, what would it take

1169
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: for me to build a high quality, tested, you know,

1170
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: ethically sourced, right, you know, good, high quality vitamin D

1171
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: product because my patients were not getting enough vitamin D

1172
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: and I'm scared of some of the stuff they're bringing in.

1173
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: Let's try it. You know, we self funded. I have

1174
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: no VC I have no bankers, I have nothing like

1175
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: my husband. I funded this whole thing out of our

1176
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: own bank account. And you know it's just this beautiful

1177
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: like Mam and pop thing that we've done. But we

1178
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: did it our way and it's tested high quality. You know,

1179
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: you're listeners. They don't want to buy for me. It's fun.

1180
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: All of my information is free. I will never have

1181
00:57:58,720 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: it behind a pan.

1182
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: There's so much information.

1183
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,439
Speaker 2: We have a website that's sock and pack full of really,

1184
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 2: so you can live your best life. And you know

1185
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: you choose to support me. Thank you from the bottom

1186
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: of my heart. But we're okay.

1187
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just want you to be your healthiest,

1188
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: happiest self, right, I mean that's I can feel like

1189
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: if I'm going to buy a supplement, I want to

1190
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: buy it from you. I don't. I'm not associated with you.

1191
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 2: I know whatever. I'm not. Yeah, I'm not hanging her

1192
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: to say this.

1193
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I've even bought my own products, like you know what

1194
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I think, I feel like you know

1195
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: what I need because you've been through it and you've

1196
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: just spent See.

1197
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: Where the gaps are for most women, and I'm like,

1198
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 2: get a little tracker. They're free. Track what you're eating,

1199
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: see where your gaps are. You know, see if you

1200
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: can get it up from food. But if you can't,

1201
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm here for you.

1202
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm not that good at tracking. That sounds like a

1203
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: lot of work.

1204
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: Really, you know, if they've got a good basic diet,

1205
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: they only need a track for a couple of weeks

1206
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: to just kind of see where they're at. It's like

1207
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: like getting blood work once a year. You want to

1208
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: see where you're at. You know you're probably doing okay,

1209
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: but and then you were like, oh gosh, I'm not

1210
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: getting enough magnesium. I need to work on that. Oh

1211
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm only getting tan grims of barbers, which

1212
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: is what most women are getting. We need twenty five

1213
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 2: to thirty five you know, this is a big gaps

1214
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: that we have.

1215
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: How do I know if I'm getting enough magnesium? Is

1216
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: that like is it my food that I'm getting there?

1217
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: Or so we get a lot of magnesium from food.

1218
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 2: But so like vitamin D is fat soluble, so like

1219
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: you can check a vitamin D level and it gives

1220
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: you an idea of what her stores are. Magnesium is

1221
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: tough because it's stored in like bone and you know,

1222
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: it's stored in the side of tissues, so we don't

1223
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: have like a good gauge. And it's an electrolyte, so

1224
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: you pee it out all the time. So it's hard

1225
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 2: to get a one time blood test and be like, oh,

1226
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 2: I'm low and magnesium. So I really like to use

1227
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: the nutritional intake of magnesium to see where you're at,

1228
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: to see if you need a supplement.

1229
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so that's the tracking. I got to get

1230
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: better about that maybe. And you know what the thing

1231
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: is for me second, experimenting on my phone more so

1232
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: if it's a digital thing, I'm not gonna do it.

1233
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: But here's what I could do. I could write it

1234
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: down and have somebody else track it for me, put

1235
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: it in the little Yeah, that's gonna work for me.

1236
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: I have just had an epiphany. I'm going to track myself.

1237
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: You guys do it with me. Track, let's track.

1238
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: We have little tracking challenges with our followers.

1239
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. You have some great challenges and just

1240
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: so much great information.

1241
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a labor of love. It's so much fun.

1242
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: As a friend. I care about you, like we don't

1243
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: go back that far, but I instantly cared about you

1244
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: when I met you in the elevator at Q fifty,

1245
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm in safe hands. I turn

1246
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: to you for you know, like my body here, it's

1247
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: what can I do? And you send me a doctor

1248
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: and I trust your supplements. So I just want to

1249
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: thank you for all. I really appreciate that you do

1250
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: just for your own ambition, but for your own love

1251
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: of helping and educating women. Yeah, because we have to

1252
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: do that as women. We have to when we go

1253
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: through something, we need to pass that information down.

1254
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: And you have to be CEO of your own health care.

1255
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: If your listeners nothing else. You have to advocate for yourself.

1256
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: You have to do the hustle to keep those bones

1257
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 2: and muscles strong. You have to keep your brain strong.

1258
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: You know, like, these are non negotiables if you want

1259
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: to age well, and so you know what, any little

1260
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 2: part I can to give you the tools to do

1261
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: that better and easier. That just makes me so happy.

1262
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: I always said, people ask me over the years, like

1263
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: what do you do?

1264
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: What you know?

1265
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you working on? And

1266
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: my answer has always been I've been so confused about

1267
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: how to answer that because I do so much, but

1268
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: and I can't really narrow it down to one thing.

1269
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: So I always ended up saying, I'm the CEO of me,

1270
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: and I think every woman should adopt that title as

1271
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: the CEO of that of herself. Yeah, I'm the CEO

1272
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: of me, I'm the c but ironically I am the

1273
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: CEO of me.

1274
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: Now.

1275
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, brands I love, but it's just so wild that

1276
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: that can be your full time focus, you know what

1277
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean? And it's okay.

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Speaker 2: I love you know. When I watch you on QVC,

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Speaker 2: it was just super fun for me. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you're talking about your line and why you built it

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Speaker 2: and how it's for every woman. I love that it's

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Speaker 2: you know, every shape, every size, and you know I

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Speaker 2: have a body scater of my office for my patients

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Speaker 2: and so I'm able to tell her you have that

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Speaker 2: you have muscle, you know, like like, look at this

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Speaker 2: glorious amount of muscle, and the fact that you have

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Speaker 2: is just curves and they're gorgeous and we're gonna dress

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Speaker 2: them up and show them off. And they're just crying

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Speaker 2: because they've been told that they were obese or something

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Speaker 2: their whole life.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, once you think you're obese, you

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Speaker 1: feel like you don't have any muscle anymore.

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Speaker 2: No. I mean, and you know, weight and BMI are

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Speaker 2: now kicked out right. We're not using them as measures

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Speaker 2: of risk of chronic health anymore. We're using things like

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Speaker 2: body scanners and abdominal circumference. I mean, like we're getting

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Speaker 2: strides there. Yeah. In in cardiovascular health though, yeah, cardiometabolic health,

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Speaker 2: we're not doing weight and BMIM anymore. We are working

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Speaker 2: that out. We're using the abdominous circumference or the waste

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Speaker 2: to ratio plus So b CD is now defined by

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Speaker 2: the waste to ratio or abdominous cir comforts plus one

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Speaker 2: like cardiometabolis ricks factor like hypertension, insulin resistance, diabetes, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: That now is what ob CD is defined by which

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Speaker 2: is pretty powerful. It's going to take a minute for

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Speaker 2: like the rest of the world to catch up and

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Speaker 2: all practitioners, but that is definitely something that's moving in

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Speaker 2: the right direct.

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Speaker 1: How are you holding up? Are you tired at all

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Speaker 1: from all this?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm doing seven podcasts in a special and

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Speaker 2: a primetime special, but like, I have the greatest team

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Speaker 2: with me, and we are eating super healthy and getting

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Speaker 2: our workouts and what kind of and it's a giving

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Speaker 2: you know. I'm just giving and giving and giving, and

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Speaker 2: that's my favorite thing to do. And I know that

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking to a microphone, but we're going to reach

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Speaker 2: millions of people with all these conversations and give them

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Speaker 2: tools and make them feel better about themselves and give

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Speaker 2: them motivation to live their best lives.

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Speaker 1: So that is what feels better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fly home, go to a Mardi Gral ball

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Speaker 2: the next night, okay, yeah, and then the next day

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Speaker 2: we fly to Australia or another event. Oh, I'm speaking

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Speaker 2: at the Opera House, which is like Buckett whoa. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a menopause event at the Sydney Opera House.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool.

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Speaker 2: So we're doing that. We sold out the opera house

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Speaker 2: in like three days. And then the next day we're

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Speaker 2: doing a medical conference for clinicians, and I'm doing some

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Speaker 2: other you know, work stuff, book stuff around that, and

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Speaker 2: then my husband and I are going to take a

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Speaker 2: week and just travel nice. Yeah I've never been.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's your I guess I haven'ty that. It's always

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Speaker 1: been on my list. Yeah, okay, So you're doing so much,

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Speaker 1: You're so amazing. You're on the run and you're always

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Speaker 1: thinking of how to help other people.

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Speaker 2: We're running around with a way to vest on.

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Speaker 1: Wait, first of all, the way to vest you told

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Speaker 1: me before. You're working on that with QBC.

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Speaker 2: How's that? Is there anything? We're still in talks okay, waiting,

1341
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 2: we're in talks so with like a subsidiary. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're getting there.

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Speaker 1: I just bought a little trampoline. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 2: So great studies looking at bouncing and jumping and bone density,

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Speaker 2: so anything that stimulates the muscular skill little units rebounders

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Speaker 2: are showing to have improvement. Just be careful if you're incontinent,

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Speaker 2: you know you yeah that out, so go with an

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Speaker 2: empty bladder. But there's you know, reasonable studies that look

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Speaker 2: at you know, box jumping and bouncing to stimulate the

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Speaker 2: muscle skeletal unit for bondicity. Now people like it for

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Speaker 2: the pelvic floor. You know, there's other things that it has.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's good cardio, it's fun. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: a fan.

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Speaker 1: I have another question about the weight tovest. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: have fake hips. Anytime I carry a bag, a backpack,

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Speaker 1: something that adds weight onto my load, my hips don't

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Speaker 1: feel good.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So the nice thing about the weight of vest,

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Speaker 2: so you want to start low. So the benefits for

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Speaker 2: bone density seemed to start for most women that This

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Speaker 2: was women who were in assisted living, so they were older, frail,

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Speaker 2: they already had osteoporosis. We think it's preventive, but no

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Speaker 2: one's done that. We're getting there to that study. But

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Speaker 2: the weight to vest. The thing about the vest versus

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Speaker 2: a backpack is that the weight is equally distributed from

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Speaker 2: the back and so you get this just on the

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Speaker 2: axial skeleton, so you have it down the spine and

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Speaker 2: the hips. Now your hips are bionic, it's so, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so I would start lighter than that ten percent.

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Speaker 2: I would go with an eight pound to start Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, and then go from there see how you

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Speaker 2: do get stronger. The recommendation for osterrobosa starts at ten

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Speaker 2: percent of ideal body weight. That might be too heavy

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Speaker 2: for someone to start with or not conditioned or you

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Speaker 2: already have. You know, you don't want to hurt your hips.

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Speaker 2: Get the eight pounder. Okay, cry it out, see how

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Speaker 2: you feel, and then when you're strong enough, move up.

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Speaker 1: Next time I talk to you, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: wearing my weighted best on my rebounder. Yeah, everything's going

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Speaker 1: to be different.

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Speaker 2: Drinking your protein, taking your protein, my proteins.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, with everything that's going on, Mary Claire,

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Speaker 1: what was your last I choose me moment? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Probably this morning. You know, let them, let them, let them,

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Speaker 2: Just learning to take the negative out, focus on the

1387
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Speaker 2: positive in the world every day and just keep know

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Speaker 2: what is true about myself that I am here for

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Speaker 2: a mission, I'm here for a purpose. God put me here,

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Speaker 2: and this was not an accident, and that whatever my

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Speaker 2: skill set is as a science communicator, as an EmPATH,

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Speaker 2: as someone who truly cares about the health of women

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Speaker 2: and the health that is being brought forth to the children,

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Speaker 2: I brought into this world. I need to keep going.

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Speaker 1: That's what you gotta do. I'm here for you. Keep going.

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you too,