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Speaker 1: the podcast where we live at the intersection of sports, politics,

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Speaker 3: Hey everybody, I'm Tamika D. Mallory.

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Speaker 2: I am a social justice leader and a movement strategist.

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Speaker 2: I'm also the mother of a twenty five year old

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Speaker 1: Ka d Malory two Naked Sports going on. Thank you

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Speaker 2: I think again, social media is not a full depiction

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Speaker 3: Things take time. You've got to educate people.

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Speaker 2: So fan base is number one. I would say this,

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Speaker 2: your shirt, your jacket, all of that, there no clothes on,

436
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Speaker 2: and most people are not going to do that.

437
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Speaker 3: So it is the case of what about ism.

438
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: Also, it's it's how the art of confusion when you

439
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 2: start saying, well, why not this?

440
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 3: Why not that?

441
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 2: When not people know about this boycott because it's on

442
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: social media right like, it's spread and the stocks are

443
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: the stock numbers have been declining.

444
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Speaker 1: So yes, I.

445
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: Understand we could be off all these platforms, and I

446
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 2: don't disagree with you, and I think if that's what

447
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: folks choose to do, good, But let's just also understand

448
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: that if we take away everything we have, we will

449
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: be left with nothing else.

450
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 3: And I and I don't.

451
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not going to start pushing that because

452
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: I know most folks are not going to do it,

453
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: and it's a failing strategy. Also, when people open up

454
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: their phone and they turn on Instagram or they turn

455
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: on Facebook, they don't see their bank account go down.

456
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: They don't see the direct correlation between you open up

457
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: your phone and then you lose money. And when they

458
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: go to Target, Walmart, these places that when they walk in,

459
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: they give their credit card and they know that they

460
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: are making a financial investment. Is there also a financial

461
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: investment for social media networks? Absolutely, they're using us, so

462
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: we should use them as well, right until we can't.

463
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 2: It's a mutual usage of one another. Right, And so

464
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: that's you know, I think that. And then last thing

465
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: I'll say on it is that I don't I don't

466
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: believe in stretching myself to the point that I can't

467
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: actually be impactful with one thing.

468
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: Right. I used to do that.

469
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: I do ten projects at one time and realize that

470
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: none of them were working as as good.

471
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Speaker 3: They weren't.

472
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: I wasn't as effective as I could be because I

473
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 2: was just doing too many things. But when I give

474
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: my all to that one thing, maybe I can change.

475
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: I can make change.

476
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: I can do something heavy when I really focus and

477
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: and and and now and and be intentional about one project.

478
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, do we need to get to all these

479
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: other companies, Sure, But once we get ourselves disciplined enough

480
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: and use to make one company and we all see

481
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: what we were able to do together, it's going to

482
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: make it easy to say, well, let's go over here

483
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: and deal with X company that's doing something else.

484
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Speaker 1: So smart, so smart, so smart. That's that's a good strategy.

485
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 1: As we've been talking about, so smart, let me do

486
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 1: one thing really really well. And since and since we

487
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: know how to do that one thing really really well,

488
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: we'll move on to others. We don't have to take

489
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: all these companies out on ones. That still doesn't make

490
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: me feel better about my Amazon purchases. I'm easing out

491
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: of it. I'm posturing. I'm posturing. I'm like, we're gonna

492
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: get my my wig glue, you know what I mean?

493
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: The beauties of possible.

494
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Speaker 1: I have to go to the but do they carry

495
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: that special one that that melts the lace directly into

496
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Speaker 1: the fork?

497
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Speaker 2: You know that you should be doing, though, is go

498
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: in the store and tell them this is the one

499
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: I use.

500
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Speaker 1: Thank you.

501
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: I wish you had. I have a social media following

502
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: as you do. I'm you know, I also have a show.

503
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: I will make sure that people know they can come

504
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: get this glue, get over here when you It's the

505
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: same thing with my book. I've been calling black bookstores like, hey,

506
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: my book is coming out. They're like, oh, let me order,

507
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: let me order some right now. They don't have every

508
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: book just automatically. You have to make an order. You've

509
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: got to learn how to communicate. We just have to

510
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: find get ourselves back to a place where we actually

511
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: communicate with business owners. We communicate with one another. Educate

512
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: folks on what's the good product? You think the beauty

513
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: sublastoy doesn't want to know what's the good one that

514
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: every kind of line.

515
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 3: Everybody want to know about that glue.

516
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Where is the glue? Where is the glue? You that

517
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: is so smart? First and foremost, I'm hollering inside because

518
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: you want to know where the glue is. I gonna

519
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: tell y'all get it. No, But to your point, we

520
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: have to get back to where we used to talk community.

521
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: Where we are we And we had Ory Wood on

522
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: the show and he talked about his special which is

523
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: about being he's a comedian, lonely flowers and he's like,

524
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: and we are. So we're comfortable with being by ourselves. Absolutely,

525
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: we're comfortable with isolation. And to my point, changing our

526
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: habits to me, is going to be the hardest thing

527
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: to do in the culture for us to really show

528
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: that we understand that you are intentionally marginalizing us and

529
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: using words like woki and de I to say that

530
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: you don't want us here. We'll be right back in

531
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Speaker 1: just a few moments. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Naked Sports.

532
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all still being here with us. Kendrick Lamar's performance

533
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: to me, obviously, you know it hit the internet. I

534
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on that hit the internet hard.

535
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: And it's not that it always is just on the internet.

536
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: But I went to the game. How is that the game? Oh? Yeah,

537
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: so in the arena we couldn't hear. It was made

538
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: for TV. We couldn't hear as well as we wanted to.

539
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: But it was so the visual was so impactful. I

540
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: knew that I had to pay attention, and I knew

541
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: that it was important, you know important. It felt very special.

542
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 1: What did you think when you saw that?

543
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: M I thought at first, first of all, I just

544
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: knew it was powerful. I loved every bit of it.

545
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: At first, you know, I was kind of like, what.

546
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: Song is this?

547
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: Like, you know, so I'm in the I was in

548
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: the like trying to figure it out as it goes along.

549
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: But it was the second time I watched it that

550
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: it knocked me off my feet and I just was

551
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: And then I actually had the sound up as loud

552
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: as possible so I could really hear it and feel

553
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: it all. It was the first time I watched it,

554
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: I was in a restaurant, a really like a community

555
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: little restaurant. They had it down in a nice you knows,

556
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: into that and the people who were sitting next to

557
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: me happened to be white folks, and they were like,

558
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: what is this and what is going on?

559
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: So I was all like, which song? And what is

560
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: he saying?

561
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: But that second time I turned it up in my home,

562
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: I watched it and I was like, Wow, this man

563
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: did something extremely powerful. And I couldn't help but think

564
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: to myself that jay Z, you know, wow, like he

565
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: could have said, well, we got to change it up

566
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: a little bit. We need to add some different types

567
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: of people to the performances or whatever. But to allow

568
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: him to create a real Black History moment, super Black

569
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: History moment.

570
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: It was really powerful.

571
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: And then a lot of people even in my family

572
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: who I saw on Facebook immediately like what was I

573
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: don't know what the hell just happened? Sure, And what

574
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: I said to them was that art requires you to

575
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: look at it several times, to see it from different perspectives.

576
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: That's okay, it's nothing wrong with you.

577
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Right.

578
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: In fact, artists at times don't even want you to

579
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: get the point in the beginning, and so they layer

580
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: it so that you will have to continue to study

581
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: the piece in order for you to find all the gems.

582
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: And so it's okay. It doesn't make you dumb, it

583
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: doesn't make you, you know, an anti intellect, It doesn't

584
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: make you any of those things. It just means that

585
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: if you're interested in learning with the messages, you'll go

586
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: back and rewatch it, you'll re listen to it and

587
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: pick up all of the moments. Samuel Jackson's role is

588
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: incredibly powerful because he really sort of exemplifies what we

589
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: see happening in this moment, and just knowing the roles

590
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: that he's played in the past, like you can't separate

591
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: those things.

592
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: You know he's been he was in Django, right, so.

593
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Speaker 1: Like he and you know him, you know, and you

594
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: know that he loves black people, you know, is a

595
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: real thing. Yes, so he's.

596
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: Storytelling in the midst of this performance. I thought it

597
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: was great. I thought it was beautiful. I thought Serena

598
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: was so fun. Oh, she was so cute and so fun.

599
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: I love the fact that Sissa, you know, I'm all

600
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: for but your booty shorts on shake shake, Shake shake,

601
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm all into that.

602
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: I believe you can work and work at the same time.

603
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: So this is not in any way to say that

604
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: if if Sissa had been, you know, dressing something more revealing,

605
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: that I would have had a problem with it.

606
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm cool with it, no problem. But I love the balance.

607
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: I love the fact that we can show that hip

608
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: hop isn't all about that, it's not all about being revealing.

609
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can have.

610
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: All your clothes on and sing your ass off, and

611
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: that's exactly what she mean.

612
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: So I love that it was different from what folks

613
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: are used to.

614
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't the jingle that everybody he's like, you know,

615
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: so excited.

616
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: For that you actually had to think yeah.

617
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: And also I thought we taped an intro and I said,

618
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: at my core, I thought that this is wild. I

619
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: was like, it made everybody think instead of just breezing

620
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: past the headline looking at something for five minutes, it

621
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: made us all think. Because I had to go and

622
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: watch it, obviously, So we hopped in a car. We

623
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: car with a bunch of other I was in a

624
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: suite with a bunch of people who Ludacris was one,

625
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: you know he performed last year. Just a bunch of

626
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: people who were artists, and they all right away were like,

627
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: I need to process that again. Right. That was that

628
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: we know it's special. We didn't yea there may couldn't,

629
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: but it was like, and it was so impactful. I

630
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: think it's gonna really to me his kid. It'll be

631
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: black history. It will be in books. I think our kids'

632
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: kids will read about that. I also feel that way

633
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: about you.

634
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: Oh thank you so much.

635
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: I always think to myself, that was.

636
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: Such a sweet transition.

637
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: It was true though, It's true. Mind. I was like

638
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: on the way here telling my friend about my podcast

639
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: today and I said, you know what, I've been so

640
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: incredibly blessed to be around people who I know, our kids'

641
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: kids will read about like this is not just this

642
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: is how back in the day when Maya Angelou would

643
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: be kicking it, you know, with with whomever she was

644
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: with all James Baldwin and her group of people, or

645
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, Nikki Giovanni or you know when you know

646
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: that they were just they were just doing these conversations

647
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: and somehow, like you know, we stumble upon those gyms

648
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: right right, and you're definitely going to be.

649
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: That well, you know, thank you for saying that.

650
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: I just see myself as like a person who picked

651
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: up the baton and I'm working hard to pass it

652
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: along to someone else just a little bit lighter. And

653
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: so I don't ever really sit back and think to myself,

654
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to be in history books tends the fact

655
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: that I had to write about myself just to make

656
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: sure that you know my work.

657
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: And speaking of this book, I live to tell the story. Okay,

658
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: so where do we begin. You are very honest, it's

659
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: a memoir about I don't know if you want to

660
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: use this word your rise.

661
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: I've been calling it a coming of age stories.

662
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you arguably had a period of time where

663
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: you were and still are, but you were the leading voice.

664
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: People would come to you. You were speaking for the culture,

665
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: You were speaking for black people, and whether you thought

666
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: you were or not, you were speaking for us. And

667
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: people leaned on you as we do historically in our culture.

668
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: We need that, we need you. And then you talk

669
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: about and I don't know if the word betrayal is fair,

670
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: but there were of how you rise and then you

671
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: find yourself in this position and you're like, oh, it's

672
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: really not what it's meant to be. There are people

673
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: who are not happy to see me doing what I'm doing.

674
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: And then you have this this moment where you have

675
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: to really just yourself. You fight and struggling with your

676
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: mental issues, sadness, whatever it may be, depression, all of

677
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: the things that come, all of the things that come

678
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: being a leader people and feeling so isolated and then

679
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: fighting and bringing yourself out of that and sharing that

680
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: as a testimony for the rest of us, because that

681
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: is that story. Your story is not unfamiliar, your specifics are,

682
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: but like the story is it?

683
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: That's right?

684
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: And so thank you for being so honest and sharing

685
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: this what made you decide it was time to write.

686
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: Well, you know other people saw this book in me.

687
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: I can't even say that I woke up one day

688
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: and was like, I'm going to go write a book. Actually,

689
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: you know, I went through a whole process to how

690
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: I ended up with a book deal, because you know,

691
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: I have two books. State of Emergency was the first

692
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: one and this is the second one. But Charlemagne, to

693
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: his credit.

694
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: Through his new publishing brand as Publishing Company, and he

695
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 3: definitely was like, you can do this, and I don't

696
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: even we don't even need talk back and forth about it.

697
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: It got you later.

698
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was the first book on his imprint, State

699
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: of Emergency. This book we weren't one hundred percent sure about,

700
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: but after writing an outline, I was like, oh, there's

701
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: like eight hundred pages of content. Oh wow, I could

702
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: actually really do it. I could write a book. So

703
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: the entire team believed in me enough to help me

704
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: get through this process, which was not easy. It was

705
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: a painful process to open up those old wounds and

706
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: open up the chest draws that you stuff everything in

707
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: and close it and never want to really go back.

708
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: But I had to take some of that stuff out

709
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: and re examine it, and then I had to really

710
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: reflect on what are the lessons? And that's hard because

711
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: those lessons oftentimes are not identifying external things, external factors.

712
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: But you got to do a lot of self assessment.

713
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's what this book gave me the

714
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 2: opportunity to do, which means it helped me grow even

715
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, even as I wrote my own book, even

716
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: as my story is out in the world, I'm growing

717
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: from it. I'm healing from it, and so I truly

718
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: hope that a person who picks it up is going

719
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: to be like, Wow, as I read through this book,

720
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: I'm changed.

721
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: In one way or another.

722
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Did you everyone who wrote who wrote their own memoir

723
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: said when someone that they wrote about reddit, whether it

724
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: be a family member or someone that was a colleague

725
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: that they worked with, they were very offended.

726
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I don't know about offended. I think,

727
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, my mom has expressed at some of it

728
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: feels uncomfortable to her.

729
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 3: Oh, but that's my mama. That's what we do.

730
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: She's gonna be the one to tell me if no

731
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: one else. But overall, I think my family they know

732
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: the struggles that I've been through, even the things that

733
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: I didn't tell them.

734
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure it hurts to see those things.

735
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: But what I will say, is that they knew that

736
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: something was going on, and so now they just get

737
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: an opportunity to see the details. And is there will

738
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: there be even some healing for them in this Yeah,

739
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: for sure. But they're not pissed off if you will,

740
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: just like, wow, you really truly have been through a lot,

741
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: a lot of things we didn't know, Like my book is.

742
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: You know, one hundred percent true.

743
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: You know, It's like I went through this book several times,

744
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: and if I thought a detail was wrong or I

745
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: forgot something that drove me crazy.

746
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: Now no one gets everything right. I was, you know,

747
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm writing about when I was a little girl in

748
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: the thousand Projects.

749
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I don't remember.

750
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm every little detail. You know.

751
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: There may be some things that maybe are in the

752
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: wrong space.

753
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: But this is the truth.

754
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: It is my truth, and it is the truth, and

755
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: and so how can you really be upset about that

756
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: about someone telling this story. I changed the names of

757
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: people who did things to me that I know they

758
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: wouldn't be proud of.

759
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh wow, good for you.

760
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: I did that.

761
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: Good for you. Oh wow, that's so gracious. Now see

762
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: now that's the way to be, Like, that's what I

763
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: want to be instead of Petty mcbetty like and being

764
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: like But so you you did that for also for

765
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: other reasons too, because you don't need.

766
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: That Well yeah, I mean, obviously there's some legal things

767
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: challenges that you can face when you expose people. But

768
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, I could have just been like,

769
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw it at the wall and just deal

770
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: with too when it comes.

771
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: But I don't. I would hope that some.

772
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: Of those individuals have grown up and realized that some

773
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: of the things they did when they were young it

774
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: was wrong, and you know, and if maybe if we

775
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: encountered one another, they might even apologize.

776
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: You know, how bad did that hurt you? I when

777
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: you trust people, or when you think people you know

778
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: really are on the same page, and then you find

779
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: out that someone you you, you loved near and dear

780
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: to you, it's not they who they appear to be.

781
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. But how do you and

782
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: it's not so much how bad I don't want to

783
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: know how much it hurt. I know how much that hurts,

784
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: But how do you regain trust? How do you decide

785
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: to do still pick up and decide this is what

786
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: I have been chosen to.

787
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: Do well well.

788
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: On a personal side, I would say that one of

789
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: the ways that I pick up and regain trust or

790
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: at least keep going, is to acknowledge that I'm not perfect,

791
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: that I also at times have shown someone that who

792
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: they thought I may have been, I'm not right because

793
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: we all, all of us fall short, every single one

794
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: of us, and so I have to remember that I'm human,

795
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: and you know, and I also have to remember that

796
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: you never know what people are going through or what

797
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: circumstances have been created that allow people to respond in

798
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: certain ways. So you know, it's a lot you got

799
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: to You gotta have grace, or you can have you

800
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: can be angry, that's okay too, but just remember that

801
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: you also are not perfect and you kind of got

802
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: to dig into that space in order for you to

803
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 2: be able to have, you know, be able to see

804
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 2: other people's humanity and their decisions.

805
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: So, well, that's been give me a lesson. I feel

806
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: like you're talking about tell me to my face.

807
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know all humans.

808
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 2: I know all humans, And sometimes you can dig deep

809
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, I did that, Yeah.

810
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: It was wrong, Oh I did that.

811
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: So you know that I would say that from a

812
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: personal perspective, But on the business side, those people who

813
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: I feel like have been have betrayed me or I

814
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: thought they would stand with me and they didn't.

815
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 3: It hurt.

816
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: It took me to a real, real dark place as

817
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: a result of all the pain. But I'm in a

818
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: better space now because I realized that I already probably

819
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: in my mind when I think back, I knew they

820
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: really weren't for me any damn way, and I try

821
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: to force relationships that they really weren't good for me,

822
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: and I knew that. I knew that I should have

823
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: kept them at you give. Whatever we need to do together,

824
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: we do it. But I don't have any expectation of you,

825
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: our expectations of people to show up and to be

826
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: you know, our saving grace and all of that. It's

827
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: pretty dangerous because you can absolutely, and this book shows you,

828
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 2: you can absolutely get your feelings hurt.

829
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: So I've been there. I've done that many times many actually.

830
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: Okay, if we didn't give y'all teaser to go and

831
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: get this book, you can order wherever you get your books.

832
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: You have to support you have to support this, and

833
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I think it is a manual that everybody can relate to,

834
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: not just.

835
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: Yet, but no, everybody. You know, there are people reading

836
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: the book.

837
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: Now.

838
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: I have a homeboy who's like a street guy, you know,

839
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: like he's like, you know, I don't know about reading

840
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: all these books and all this stuff. He's totally not

841
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: into that. Not to say the street guys don't read.

842
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: That ain't his thing. He's like, man, I'm out here,

843
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm working, I'm you know, I'm.

844
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: Outside, you know.

845
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: And he he's reading the book and sending me details

846
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: like this and that and you said this, and I

847
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: remember this, and I record that. I got another homeboy

848
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: who doesn't even have time. He runs like so many

849
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 2: different businesses. Shout out to my boy, Aaron. He's reading

850
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: it and he's sending me details. Also, so black men

851
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: that come from different types of lives, you know, one

852
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: that's out in the projects every day.

853
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: It works.

854
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: So it's for everybody. Yeah, he's uptown, downtown, we in

855
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: the middle, yeah, yeah, business. Yeah, it's for everything.

856
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: And of course black women. I hope that this book

857
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: is a love letter to you know, whatever what we've

858
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: been through is not the sum of our existence. And

859
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: we make it through so much and it's in these pages.

860
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: So you know. I actually the cover of the book.

861
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Is my braids on one side and my bus down

862
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: on the other.

863
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: Side, because we do both. We do both like this

864
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: and then we we do.

865
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Well.

866
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't ye I designed it, but I came up

867
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: with the concept on my own, and it's really special

868
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: to me because it shows you the truth about who

869
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: I am. I can definitely do the corn rolls. I

870
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: could fight with stench, break and be outside.

871
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: But I can be a girly girl too, and I

872
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: think we all have a bit of that.

873
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: Right. Well, I'm glad you were chosen. Some have answered

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Speaker 1: the call, so thank you so much. I love to

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Speaker 1: tell the story. You guys gonna get that book. I'm

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Speaker 1: not playing everywhere, right everywhere, it's.

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Speaker 3: Everywhere book can be so.

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Speaker 2: But of course, support black bookstores as much as you can.

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Speaker 2: That's really important to me. And I would say, if

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Speaker 2: you're sitting somewhere and you don't know which black bookstore

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Speaker 2: to go to, Barnes and Barnes and okay.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know that today today, years old,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Of course. All Good.

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Speaker 1: Naked Sports written and executive produced by me Carry Champion,

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Speaker 1: produced by Jacquevies Thomas, sound designed and mastered by Dwayne Crawford.

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