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Speaker 1: Y'all better buckle up. I have not seen a case

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Speaker 1: like this since Casey Anthony.

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Speaker 2: And let me explain.

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Speaker 1: I have four sisters, well educated women, diverse in their

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Speaker 1: likes and dislikes. They've probably got about twelve degrees between them.

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Speaker 1: A couple of them got a six year degree, one's

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Speaker 1: And I say that because these are logical people. But

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Speaker 1: during the Casey Anthony trial, I had one sister that

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Speaker 1: thought the mama straight up.

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Speaker 2: Killed that baby.

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Speaker 1: I had one that believed the baby drowned accidentally and

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Speaker 1: one that believed the child got into some drugs and

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Speaker 1: accidentally odeed. And I had another one that thought the

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Speaker 1: baby died I somehow, maybe hitting her head or something,

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Speaker 1: and her mama panicked and covered it up. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this is your jury.

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Speaker 3: These are all for mamas.

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Speaker 1: These are all for you know, middle of the road,

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Speaker 1: middle America kind of people. And so I said on

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Speaker 1: so confidently that Casey Anthony was going to walk out

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Speaker 1: because if you could not tell me how.

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Speaker 3: That baby died, you don't have murder. People lost their minds.

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Speaker 1: I had more hate mail. Good ness. People were coming

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Speaker 1: after me. How could I defend Casey Anthony? How could

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Speaker 1: I believe? Listen now, I tried to be very clear

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Speaker 1: and logical, but I'm gonna tell you right now before

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Speaker 1: we get into tonight, it don't matter what you think,

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Speaker 1: or what you feel, or what you believe.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that matters is what you can prove.

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Speaker 1: Judge Ashley Wilcom, Joshua Schiffer, we got about forty years

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Speaker 1: of the best there is. So Karen Reid, let's say

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Speaker 1: answer one question for him. Between the three of us,

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Speaker 1: we have walked into a courthouse thousands of times. What

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Speaker 1: is a buffer zone?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think it's brilliant. I think this is brilliant maneuvering.

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Speaker 5: It's all brilliant maneuvering. Keep all those protesters that are

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Speaker 5: for Karen Reid away from the courthouse, Judge, because that's

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Speaker 5: going to bias this case and bias this jury. And

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Speaker 5: they shouldn't be anywhere around here because that interest of

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Speaker 5: a fair trial, says the state outweighs the freedom of

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Speaker 5: speech standing on.

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Speaker 2: The courthouse steps. Josh, you weigh in, But I thought

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Speaker 4: Brilliant maneuver, I gotta say, And I'm a died in

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Speaker 4: the wool civil libertarian. But the court has a necessary

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Speaker 4: and important interest in securing and then protecting the integrity

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Speaker 4: of the process. While freedom of speech needs to have

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Speaker 4: an outlet, needs to have a spot, it has been

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Speaker 4: demonstrated that this courthouse, for this case, cannot provide that

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Speaker 4: to the litigans without some sort of governmental regulation. And

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Speaker 4: now then you see cops all over the place. Every

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Speaker 4: time these Litigans walk in or out of the courthouse,

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Speaker 4: there is a mob of people questioning them with some

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Speaker 4: reasonable stuff, but then some really wild stuff, like there's

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Speaker 4: been stuff in the media in this case that it's

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Speaker 4: been unlike any other case we've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen protesters

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Speaker 1: like this. I've never seen such rabid folks on both sides.

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Speaker 3: Where they're just unyielding.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like logic doesn't matter, the law doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: the facts don't matter. It's just my opinion, my thought,

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Speaker 1: my belief is going forward. But there's one woman she

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Speaker 1: she's holding a poster that says justice for John O'Keefe.

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Speaker 2: I feel for her.

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Speaker 3: I get it like it almost can't be both, Like

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Speaker 3: you can't be that woman. You've got to pick a side.

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Speaker 3: I bet you can't.

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Speaker 1: Go into a bar nowhere in that town that it's

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Speaker 4: If this defense theory is true, are they going to

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Speaker 2: Well, if the defense theory is true, I think at

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Speaker 2: But I also have to suggest that when we're talking

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Speaker 2: know from her prior interviews defendant's own words that she

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Speaker 4: And her testifying this is going to Because I'm on

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Speaker 6: For the state's case, because if the state can't produced

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Speaker 4: Assuming Proctor presents enough strong evidence and there's been Look,

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Speaker 4: enough that we would say that's a good, well proven case,

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask the two of you this, what

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Speaker 1: whole department and my ring of buddies. That's good all day.

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Speaker 1: And if he just arrived at our house intoxicated and

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Speaker 1: she pulled away, whatever happened to happen. And now we're

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Speaker 1: just going to say she did it. She's going to

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Speaker 1: say we did it. And again I'll go back to

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Speaker 1: casey Anthony, how did he die?

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Speaker 3: We don't know, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to know.

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Speaker 4: Based on the evidence you have both.

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Speaker 2: This is the wildest case to me because you've got

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Speaker 2: evidence supporting each theory. So whichever theory you want to believe,

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Speaker 2: And I think the FEDS being involved is reflective of

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Speaker 4: And the FED stuff, I know, it's hard because we

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Speaker 4: all know the case. And oh, if I was a FED,

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Speaker 4: this is the part that I'd be interested. Remove that

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Speaker 4: It's the FEDS. Sure, we've got some stuff that would

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Speaker 4: make a lot of sense for them to investigate complaints.

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Speaker 4: And let's be honest, this is Massachusetts. The FEDS have

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Speaker 4: been investigating Massachusetts law enforcement. It was literally like the

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Speaker 4: first job was, Hey, go investigate the local police in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: There are some corrupt ones. So it's not like this

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Speaker 4: that means that people have been investigated before, and that

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Speaker 4: means that there's a whole community about Hey, FED, start

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Speaker 4: knock and this is what you do, and there's us

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Speaker 4: versus them mentality. Law enforcements not necessarily all friendly with

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Speaker 4: around is minor or if it's like you're talking about

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Speaker 4: career ending and they can end your career in law

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Speaker 4: enforcement by snapping their fingers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because people are saying that Brian Albert, Colin, Albert,

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Speaker 1: Brian Higgins, who's an ATF agent, y'all all had motive,

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Speaker 1: they're all corrupt.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, you cannot have the FEDS involved in any

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Speaker 3: investigation to me without it cloud and what they're trying

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, And you know, the other part

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Speaker 2: one of them. I don't get the impression that they

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Speaker 2: They weren't you know, it wasn't a video where we're

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Speaker 5: Well, they were kind of ignoring him if you just

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Speaker 5: watch that video, and I don't you know, they didn't

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Speaker 5: I feel like, for whatever reason, they don't like him,

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Speaker 5: and Mac, I'll turn it back to you, because again,

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Speaker 5: if a cop is not liked, there's something else there.

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Speaker 1: I cannot agree, and to me that cannot be overstated.

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Speaker 1: So again to me, that goes to motive. Did they

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Speaker 1: That's why they didn't fool with him. That's why he

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Speaker 4: And there's already just enormous scuttle butt about who was

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Speaker 4: talking to who, when, where, When did friendships end? And

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Speaker 4: again I'm I'm with Ashley. I feel that John O'Keefe

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Speaker 4: the day or something that's gone through my mind. John

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Speaker 4: with John o'keeth. Hey, he's coming over. Hey, we're just

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Speaker 4: remember him by because he stepped in the wrong spot.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know what's happened, because no one knows.

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Speaker 4: And that gets back to the state's problem at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: There's evidence for a lot of different things that means

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Speaker 4: reasonable doubts everywhere, and.

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Speaker 2: The state keeps putting it out there. Josh, I feel like, again,

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Speaker 2: the state is so busy. It's not as strategic here's

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Speaker 2: the theory of our case, here's our evidence to support it,

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Speaker 2: But to me, it's like they're so busy defending the

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Speaker 1: I want y'all's opinion about this. I hadn't heard anybody

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Speaker 3: Because here's the deal.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you for any young officers listening, if

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Speaker 3: You arrest the idiot.

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Speaker 2: But in this case, which is that person because a

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask y'all this. Both of y'all have

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Speaker 2: All the rest of this stuff you can't believe. And

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Speaker 4: I'm not often in the position where I really would

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Speaker 4: But this defense has been so active and so aggressive

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Speaker 4: that's because she ran him over. They can talk about

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Speaker 4: to a corpse that is conspiracy theory, that is cover up.

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Speaker 4: They're bringing the zombie of cover up to life. Every

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Speaker 4: Isn't that.

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Speaker 2: Bombers your terrible trial skills?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, learn a couple of other words.

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Speaker 2: And then you come down to it, if there's an acquittal.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what this jury is going to do.

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Speaker 2: None of us do. But if there's an acquittal, will

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Speaker 2: don't know, Josh. I think the state would.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I know that the cops are really

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Speaker 4: angry about it. I don't know how the DA's office is. Like.

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Speaker 4: I've not met a single lawyer who said that they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't to me. There's no energy, so I

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Speaker 4: He could be also getting other information or no other

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Speaker 4: that would obviously impact his willingness to push boundaries, you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, this is going to be the case, I think

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Speaker 2: Especially because it's divisive. This is a divisive case no

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Speaker 4: And what Judge Ashley is also saying is this is

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 1: People are invested in this thing that don't live anywhere

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big one. We get a lot of

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Speaker 1: And this is going to be something that I think

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Speaker 3: Take a look. When you start talking about red solo

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Speaker 4: Flowers and contact wlame we get Mac brand leaf blowers.

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Speaker 4: Come on, you are lay out on the monetization Listen.

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Speaker 1: I've already been in talks with home depots.

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Speaker 2: That's it. But you could really do a whole course

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Speaker 1: Case, Yes, and I think that that should happen. Just

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Speaker 4: I think this is an impact case because of the

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Speaker 6: Surprised to see legislative action because this has upset people

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Speaker 4: Trial coverage, and how local media interacts with law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: Well, cops line about cops about cops would be a

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Speaker 3: And it's also the reason we can't quit watching it.

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Speaker 2: You know why else because the Alberts. The Alberts are

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Speaker 4: And not only that, I've seen engagement with my law

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Speaker 4: many of the other cases we follow, because this really

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Speaker 4: a really deeply explored issue, and it's a sensitive one.

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Speaker 1: Anything else that y'all want to be sure we mention

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Speaker 1: or highlight or say, y'all were flawless act.

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Speaker 4: And this is what we do. And it actually knows

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Speaker 4: how much I love her, like we could.

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Speaker 2: We could do this forever. And next time you'll see

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Speaker 2: me sitting next to them as we eat dinner and

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Speaker 2: talk to you because we do that a lot.

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Speaker 4: And this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, And every time I see it, I

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Speaker 1: feel like y'all are both cheeked on me.

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Speaker 3: But that's okay.

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Speaker 4: I had the whole church. We got lots of time.

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Speaker 4: It's about to be. It's going to be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: No, we have to make that happen. I'm absolutely there,

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Speaker 1: no question about it. Got to make that happen. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to end Zone seven the way that I always

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Speaker 1: do with a quote. The jury needed someone to tell

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Speaker 1: them exactly how Kaylee died.

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Speaker 3: Piecing it together.

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Speaker 1: From circumstantial evidence was not good enough for them. They

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Speaker 1: wanted the answers on a silver platter. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: the evidence to serve it that way. It's not just

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Speaker 1: the verdict that tells me this, but all also the

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Speaker 1: manner in which they reached it, the fact they didn't

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Speaker 1: request any materials to review, the fact they didn't have

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Speaker 1: any questions for the judge if the statements that the

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Speaker 1: foremen and the jury made.

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Speaker 3: To the media are true.

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Speaker 1: Ten of the twelve jurors felt that ninety minutes of

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Speaker 1: deliberation was sufficient to fully weigh and consider and reject

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Speaker 1: four weeks worth of testimony that we on the prosecution

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Speaker 1: used to establish that this was first degree murdered. The

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Speaker 1: rest of the thirteenth hours of deliberation had been spent

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Speaker 1: trying to convince the two holdout jurors of the decision.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Ashton, I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is on seven