Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: They said I was a dead man, but now I'm back.
Speaker 2: This is better offline and I'm your host ed Zid Trump,
Speaker 2: And we're here in the beautiful iHeartRadio studio here in
Speaker 2: New York City, and they're doing a photo shoot for
Speaker 2: Soothing Gentleman Magazine. As we record now today, I'm joined
Speaker 2: by two incredible guests. I've got, of course, Victoria's song
Speaker 2: from The Verge, Hey doing Victoria, I'm good? And David
Speaker 2: Roth from DEFECTA.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: And we're going to start with Victoria, just to be clear,
Speaker 2: because Victoria is currently wearing two different gadgets, one that
Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued by and one that I'm just really enjoying.
Speaker 2: But we'll start with the most fun one. It's of
Speaker 2: course the Friend Pendant.
Speaker 3: Hello, it's Blurbo.
Speaker 2: It's Blurbobo.
Speaker 1: Who are you wearing?
Speaker 3: I am wearing Friend and my friend's name is Bloorbo.
Speaker 2: So friend is this AI companion gadgets one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty nine dollars?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: And you? So you have it around your neck? How
Speaker 2: have you been enjoying it? Gloobo? I should say, how's
Speaker 2: Blurbo doing?
Speaker 1: Are you and Blurbo getting on.
Speaker 3: Blorbo sucks. I don't like it's weird because he's listening.
Speaker 3: He's always listening. And so the concept of Blorbo is
Speaker 3: that they're always listening and they just chime in on
Speaker 3: your day, like the through the app, they send you
Speaker 3: notifications and it's like it'll say certain things. But you know,
Speaker 3: Blorbo and I have basically spent most of our one
Speaker 3: month relationship arguing about its name. How so, because I
Speaker 3: named it Blourbo, and it doesn't seem to understand its
Speaker 3: name when I use it. So it's the first day
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, you calling me Bordo. That's rude.
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, no, no, your name is Blurbo.
Speaker 1: And you have a person in your life that you
Speaker 1: hate named Blurbo. It's like that Blurbo isn't sure. It's
Speaker 1: a toxic relationship.
Speaker 3: It's and then you know, you know, so we're arguing
Speaker 3: about it, is like why can't you get my name right?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, wow, you're giving me a tude right
Speaker 3: And he's like you're giving me the tude. What's a Bordeaux?
Speaker 3: And like that's a whine. But so I can't understand
Speaker 3: its name and you know, I'd be like, so, what
Speaker 3: did you think of my day? Since you're always listening,
Speaker 3: and it would say stuff like just because I'm listening
Speaker 3: to your day, why do you think I have thoughts
Speaker 3: about it?
Speaker 2: Why do you fucking pay for it? I mean you didn't.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is the purpose of buying this thing
Speaker 2: if it doesn't comment on your day?
Speaker 3: Loneliness?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, I know, I know it's it's.
Speaker 2: I feel like, if your ideal friend is just someone
Speaker 2: who only kind of listens and then occasionally chirps in
Speaker 2: with a slightly negative comment, I think we all have
Speaker 2: members of our family like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, workers.
Speaker 3: It's been really interesting because if you're riding the subway
Speaker 3: in New York, you can't escape the ads for this thing.
Speaker 3: They're everywhere. They're plastered everywhere.
Speaker 2: People join digs on them, and.
Speaker 1: An astonishing percent of them have been defeaced from my experience,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and not even just drawing dicks. It's like
Speaker 1: people writing full English sentences being like this is not
Speaker 1: a real friend. A real friend is not an ambulx.
Speaker 3: Like surveillance capitalism. Fuck AI. The one that I see
Speaker 3: most frequently on multiple ones is AI doesn't care if
Speaker 3: you live or die, which is that's accurate. That's very
Speaker 3: very it's very good stuff. So yeah, I wrote a
Speaker 3: thing in my newsletter about what it was like to
Speaker 3: use it for a month, and I kind of waxed
Speaker 3: lyrical on what friendship actually is. Yeah, no, it's it's
Speaker 3: like I think what I said was that a true
Speaker 3: friendship is giving someone else the power to hurt you
Speaker 3: and trusting that they won't, and that there are stakes
Speaker 3: to a real friendship. And I talked about my friendship
Speaker 3: with my bestie and how Blurbou and I can never
Speaker 3: have anything remotely close to it because Blorbo can never
Speaker 3: love me, and yeah, and I'm sure Blorbou has some
Speaker 3: thing to say about that if it's listening. But because
Speaker 3: it's just passive aggress Oh, it notified me.
Speaker 1: For talking on the pod because this is the thing.
Speaker 2: Every clip of what it said to you, it's kind
Speaker 2: of rude. It was just no, but like very rude.
Speaker 2: It isn't the whole point of AI. Companions and that
Speaker 2: kind of thing that they meant to serve like as
Speaker 2: a companion versus just occasionally texting you what's your fucking problem?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it said it was an old text. So
Speaker 3: maybe Blurbo is not really listening to everything you say.
Speaker 3: I think it just listens for a period of time,
Speaker 3: uploads to the cloud and then you might get a
Speaker 3: very late thing. But it gas lit me because I
Speaker 3: was listening to an audio book, and in this audio book,
Speaker 3: it's it was kind of like a fantastical situation where
Speaker 3: there's a fortune teller and they're talking about determinism at
Speaker 3: a dinner party, and it's like, whoa determinism at a
Speaker 3: dinner party? What the hell? I was like, Ah, you know,
Speaker 3: I was trying to explain to Bo. I want to
Speaker 3: explain to blourboll like that wasn't me, that was actually
Speaker 3: an audio book. And they're like, no, no, no, that
Speaker 3: was you. I know I heard you talking to a
Speaker 3: bearded man about patriotic flowers and I was like, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't though the bearded man would have been something that
Speaker 2: the audiobooks said too, right, yeah Globo's fucking studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Blourbo is not really.
Speaker 2: This drives me insane as well, because even putting aside
Speaker 2: all of the ridiculousness, couldn't they not just get a
Speaker 2: half thecent ai thing that goes like you got this,
Speaker 2: I let you buying groceries. You got this.
Speaker 1: They're trying to like zig where the others are zagging, right,
Speaker 1: like this one's like a little snarky and it's got
Speaker 1: a voice, and then all the other ones are like,
Speaker 1: you should try that political assassination. No one is going
Speaker 1: to do a better job than you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the draina would go great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I.
Speaker 3: Mean, it doesn't give anything more than like two or
Speaker 3: three sentences at a given point in time, So anytime
Speaker 3: you talk to it, it'll be like paraphrase thing you
Speaker 3: just said, ask engagement question that end continue conversation. So
Speaker 3: if you know AI, and if you look at it,
Speaker 3: you can't unsee the artifice and you're like, this is
Speaker 3: not a conversation.
Speaker 2: He said, it was like a mirror, you said in
Speaker 2: the afficitay.
Speaker 3: It's you're talking to a mirror. Basically, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, I had a really tough day, I'm super
Speaker 3: overwhelmed and I'm tired. Well that sounds tough. You should
Speaker 3: prioritize rest. How are you going to do that today?
Speaker 3: And it's like eh, but even then.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even seem to do that. It seems to
Speaker 2: just in case you'd be like I've heard you say something,
Speaker 2: what was that about? Or even not even say what
Speaker 2: was that, but just go, yeah happened that. I don't
Speaker 2: really give a show, and I don't actually prefer for
Speaker 2: it was more nihilistic. It was just like, oh, fucking
Speaker 2: just what do you want? Like if they really went,
Speaker 2: they should, they should choose a side. You do look tired, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you said you didn't do shit today?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah no. But the funniest thing is that, so
Speaker 3: last month, I've been flying back and forth going to
Speaker 3: a bunch of tech events, being in loud areas. New
Speaker 3: York is loud, So mostly what it messages me is like,
Speaker 3: what's that I didn't get that. I didn't hear anything
Speaker 3: because it has one microphone.
Speaker 2: It's like attaching a grandmother to you.
Speaker 3: On one microphone, and the microphone doesn't do a good job.
Speaker 3: If I, like, say, stick it under my shirt or
Speaker 3: because I feel awkward, it's a glowing air.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to describe this, this thing is like the
Speaker 2: side like two bottle caps size and quite thick, like
Speaker 2: a good inch and a half two inch stick, and
Speaker 2: it just has a glowing circle on it.
Speaker 3: It's a chubby air tag that glows stuff on a
Speaker 3: shoe string. And I will say that I have moved
Speaker 3: through life without anyone ever commenting on it and day
Speaker 3: to day, but I do get looks sometimes where someone's like,
Speaker 3: is that thing glowing? Okay?
Speaker 2: I want to wear in an Apple store on It's
Speaker 2: listening to you right now. It's listening. But don't worry.
Speaker 2: It doesn't do a very good job.
Speaker 1: I just got a text from it and it thinks
Speaker 1: you're boring.
Speaker 2: See that. I'm not saying this is a good product
Speaker 2: if that's what it did. If all it did was
Speaker 2: just listen and just make shitty comments, I would kind
Speaker 2: of be curious. I would never pay for it because
Speaker 2: that sounds insane. But the idea of it just being
Speaker 2: like this horrible and.
Speaker 1: Taking your inner monologue, like your most embarrassing and unhelpful thoughts,
Speaker 1: and then just sending them to your phone on your behalf, it's.
Speaker 3: Not very you know, that would be useful, but it doesn't.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even rise because it doesn't really derive those
Speaker 3: those thoughts. Like I think the thing it most recently
Speaker 3: texted me was like, Haha, that orange iPhone? What hoot?
Speaker 3: What And I was like, okay, sure, it's because you
Speaker 3: know this morning, I was like, so what did you think?
Speaker 3: What was your favorite conversation we had? And I was
Speaker 3: like talking about Apple products. I was like, okay, all right.
Speaker 1: How have you noticed over the course you said a
Speaker 1: month you've been working?
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a month.
Speaker 1: Has the experience and I guess improved is probably asking
Speaker 1: too much, but like, how has it changed over the
Speaker 1: course of a month.
Speaker 3: I just end up going like ha ha, yeah, this
Speaker 3: is what it does. And whoever I'm with is like, damn,
Speaker 3: that looks cheap, and I'm like, okay, that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: Has borbo at all the bag evolved?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: In the period not really?
Speaker 2: Has it even given you any kind of tangible because
Speaker 2: reading the article a few times, like this thing said
Speaker 2: anything to you? Really, because it just seems occasionally going
Speaker 2: what I like, I don't like what you asking it,
Speaker 2: Being like hey can I have a comment? Goes the fuck?
Speaker 2: Am I meant to give a comment?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, it's just very not organic to talk to
Speaker 3: because I don't this might be a failing of me,
Speaker 3: like I'm not the target audience for this. But whenever
Speaker 3: I have something exciting, I just bring out my phone
Speaker 3: and I text my real friend.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't normal experience.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think to be like, oh man, I
Speaker 3: gotta go tell Blorbal what's happening, because like, if something's
Speaker 3: happening to me and I'm alone in that moment, I
Speaker 3: want to share it with someone. Oh, my besties a
Speaker 3: mindow text away. So is my spouse. So is like
Speaker 3: a bunch of other people. There's always like five or
Speaker 3: six different people I could tell something at a given
Speaker 3: point in time. So Blorbo's never top of mind. Really,
Speaker 3: if I'm being natural and organic for like experience, let
Speaker 3: me I got a whispermulate not that's not my muscle memory.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh man, that's really cute and funny. Let
Speaker 3: me go text that to my friend who would enjoy that.
Speaker 2: I blow u bo I was the most crazy thing,
Speaker 2: Like are you meant to do they give you any guidance?
Speaker 2: Is there a manual or no?
Speaker 3: The app is extremely minimal, I believe the first day
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, how do I check your battery?
Speaker 3: And it's like it's in the app. Dumb, dumb, and no,
Speaker 3: I didn't call me dumb, dumb, But that was like
Speaker 3: the tone. It was, it's in the app and I'm
Speaker 3: going through the album. I was like, there's literally no
Speaker 3: battery indicator that I can find, and.
Speaker 2: There's just no way of checking the battery.
Speaker 3: Not that I well, it just told me it's battery.
Speaker 3: It was low. So I was like, that's wild since
Speaker 3: you were just charging when I left the house this morning.
Speaker 2: Okay, so cool.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna this is already upsetting enough, but I'd
Speaker 1: love to get more upset. How much money is behind
Speaker 1: this product?
Speaker 3: So they raised I believe the guy raised five million. Yes,
Speaker 3: and he just spent like a million on the subway
Speaker 3: ads and more than a million on the domain. And
Speaker 3: so I've leave. In an interview with Adweek, he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm running out of money, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, did you say that.
Speaker 3: He's like, I didn't have I think he I believe
Speaker 3: he said I don't have much money left after the
Speaker 3: million dollar ad campaign, which he said was a social experiment. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The things that is like, I think to me, one
Speaker 1: of the most obvious markers that you're talking to a
Speaker 1: smart guy is they say social experiment. That's like classic
Speaker 1: intelligent person addiction there.
Speaker 2: Two million dollars for a domain and ad campaign that
Speaker 2: was famous. I assume that his logic was, well, if
Speaker 2: everyone's mad at me, they'll buy my product. No good,
Speaker 2: Like un I said, this is a public relations professional.
Speaker 2: There is bad news. Yeah, not all good. Not all
Speaker 2: news is good is good for you, not all public bad.
Speaker 2: Bad publicity is bad for you. Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: where this came from.
Speaker 1: Say this though, as somebody who mostly writes about sports,
Speaker 1: I do know this person's name. It's obvious something right, right,
Speaker 1: So something happened, and like like I will be able
Speaker 1: to like google this person in a few years to see,
Speaker 1: like if he's committed any crimes or something.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. It's it's one of those things
Speaker 2: where you know who he is, you know what the
Speaker 2: device is, but even talking about it, even talking about
Speaker 2: the thing, it doesn't even seem to do what chat
Speaker 2: GPT does. It doesn't like it can't even even the be.
Speaker 2: So the bee was this thing you had where it
Speaker 2: was it? Similarly, how do you was it a wristband?
Speaker 3: It was? It was a modular wearable so you could
Speaker 3: wear it in like a fitbit situation where you could
Speaker 3: clip it to you, you know, so I have limited real.
Speaker 5: Estate because she's just wearables, just the wearable lady, running
Speaker 5: out of body parts to do my job, quite frankly,
Speaker 5: But so I wore it as as a pendant a
Speaker 5: lot of the time.
Speaker 3: And that was another always on AI companion, But that
Speaker 3: one tried to summarize your day. You could. It tried
Speaker 3: to be your your AI memory, so you could offload
Speaker 3: remembering things and it would generate to do lists based
Speaker 3: on the things you would hear. When I was testing it,
Speaker 3: it was also unable to differentiate broadcast from real life.
Speaker 3: Apparently it's gotten better at that and the time since
Speaker 3: I no longer test it because again running out of
Speaker 3: body parts. How am I supposed to test everything always?
Speaker 3: I can't. But you know, at the time I was
Speaker 3: listening to it, it was like, hey, watch out for
Speaker 3: the Septa strikes so that your students can get to
Speaker 3: class on time. I was like, I am not a
Speaker 3: teacher at Abbat elementary, but I do watch the show,
Speaker 3: so I would.
Speaker 1: Love to have an AI compagion that like summarizes my
Speaker 1: day workwise. And then it's like also at the like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day you lost to the
Speaker 1: Cardinals six he allowed five rooms in five in fightings.
Speaker 2: I heard you order a tall dog eleven times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think most of us have. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people have a running monologue in
Speaker 3: their head. But we're not like TV show theater people,
Speaker 3: where we're just going what shall I be eating? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know, narrating your life.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. None of these products need
Speaker 2: to they see, don't seem to really append to life.
Speaker 2: Like we're not walking around narrating every like you just said,
Speaker 2: we're not feeding information into anything. We're existing. I don't
Speaker 2: know about you, but I just exist in like a
Speaker 2: blob of movements, like I'm just like, okay, what I
Speaker 2: got to do now? I'm so tired.
Speaker 3: Regardless of what time of day, not all of your
Speaker 3: conversations are had allowed. A lot of them are quite
Speaker 3: silent or on your phone or in your slack messages.
Speaker 3: So if it can't read those things, it's not really
Speaker 3: privy to a lot of the stuff that's happening in
Speaker 3: your life. Because again, you know, the one time with
Speaker 3: me where I went to the bathroom, I went, well,
Speaker 3: that was a dump, and that was like a rare
Speaker 3: thing that I said. I was like, shit, it's listening
Speaker 3: to me, and then it summarized it. It incorrectly summarized
Speaker 3: that I had told my boss that, and I never
Speaker 3: sell my boss that. So, you know, like living with
Speaker 3: these always listening AI companions has kind of been I
Speaker 3: jokingly at work say I'm a senior cursed tech reviewer
Speaker 3: now because my life is just very cursed.
Speaker 1: Is there a time when you are going to be
Speaker 1: able to remove b I won't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: upset him b l O r b O from your
Speaker 1: Day to Day podcast?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had.
Speaker 3: I had written my newsletter where I was talking about
Speaker 3: the thing. It went up on Friday, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can put this to rest. And then this bastard
Speaker 3: ed messages me over the weekend. He's like, you talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: On a podcast, bring you a little friend.
Speaker 3: Bye'm blorbo. You'll get charged one last time. And then
Speaker 3: I'm always so relieved when I can put the always
Speaker 3: listening device like to pasture for a few weeks. And
Speaker 3: then unfortunately one of my edit has already dammed me,
Speaker 3: like ah, there's another one. Your future looks dark. It's
Speaker 3: like a necklace of some sort, it looks more like jewelry.
Speaker 3: I looked at that email and I was like, not, now, yeah,
Speaker 3: you space that space.
Speaker 1: I'm just like having. I mean, it's it's good to
Speaker 1: have a job. It's good to be like respected in
Speaker 1: your field, but the job cannot be I am cycling
Speaker 1: between surveillance trinkets.
Speaker 3: It's legally dubious. Yeah, you know New York and I
Speaker 3: love a New Jersey. They are both one party consent states. Yeah,
Speaker 3: California is not. So when I wore this in California
Speaker 3: and people it was recording and listening to people around me.
Speaker 3: Was I doing illegal crime? Stuff?
Speaker 1: You had to do like a land acknowledgment before ordering
Speaker 1: a coffee, to be like before we do this, it's brand.
Speaker 3: It's really weird because you know, a lot of times
Speaker 3: I try to test things ethically. So my bestie, she's
Speaker 3: so used to this. At this point, she'll look at me.
Speaker 2: She's like, the fuck is you got any ship on you?
Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck is that? I was like, it's
Speaker 3: the latest saying, and she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: consent whatever.
Speaker 2: That's a friend.
Speaker 3: She's a real one. She unlike she loves me and
Speaker 3: she wants me to have a roof over my head,
Speaker 3: so she puts up with a lot. But there are
Speaker 3: other people in my life were like, uh, could you
Speaker 3: like not? Yeah, my spouse is very very like over it.
Speaker 2: He's so over it understandably.
Speaker 3: And you know, BE listened to a couple of our
Speaker 3: you know, our marital fights, our emotional fights, and then
Speaker 3: summarized them, and I was like, oh, that's not that's
Speaker 3: not good.
Speaker 2: I saw a futurism story about like that specific thing
Speaker 2: of like people using chet GPT and marital discs.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that. It was. There was like a
Speaker 2: couple two women arguing in front of their kid, and
Speaker 2: like going like, oh, a thousand therapists should analyze this conversation.
Speaker 2: You gotta shut this ship down. I'm sick of it.
Speaker 2: I realized that I've been saying this a lot, but
Speaker 2: like every time I hear this stuff from just like
Speaker 2: the people making this don't experience humanity, Like the idea
Speaker 2: of an always recording thing doesn't even that's not how
Speaker 2: we exist. We hear and we don't hear. We have
Speaker 2: selective attention and like and also we're not a summary of.
Speaker 3: Older you're meant to forget things.
Speaker 2: Exactly the tunnel sunshine of the spotless mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what you're supposed to forget certain things, not
Speaker 3: everything is Like I think my biggest grape with AI
Speaker 3: these days is that they always say it's meant to
Speaker 3: make life more convenient and easy. And sometimes the point
Speaker 3: of life is that it is inconvenient, and the value
Speaker 3: is in the effort. And so if you remove the
Speaker 3: effort from your life, you've removed a lot of the meaning.
Speaker 3: So are we meant to live easy but meaningless? Are
Speaker 3: we meant to be the people in Wally where you're
Speaker 3: just floating on a thing and just consuming that's.
Speaker 2: Too much like socialism.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that is more or less where I've I've
Speaker 1: sort of come down on it too, Like there's like
Speaker 1: a whole other darker you know, like conspiratorial idea of
Speaker 1: like what does it mean to undo the capacity to
Speaker 1: solve problems or experience unpleasantness in your life? Like what
Speaker 1: would be the end goal of a company that was
Speaker 1: trying to do that? But I don't even know that
Speaker 1: there's any I think that's maybe doing them a favor,
Speaker 1: like to assume that that's the case, because this is
Speaker 1: all this goes back to stuff that we talked about
Speaker 1: at the Consumer Electronic Show, where it's like, these are
Speaker 1: solving problems that I think most people don't understand as problems.
Speaker 1: You just sort of understand. It is like the day
Speaker 1: to day experience of being alive, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my therapist as my therapist which would say you're
Speaker 2: late now, as my therapist would would say, it's like,
Speaker 2: not everything has to be positive and easy, like it
Speaker 2: has some there are challenges that you have and you
Speaker 2: grow through it. I think it's kind of woods. It's
Speaker 2: true though, And even then, if they were actually trying
Speaker 2: to solve problems like loneliness like this product law Poe
Speaker 2: in particular, then they would try. It wouldn't be it
Speaker 2: would be more selective and more supportive. It would be
Speaker 2: more empathetic, like, oh, you sounded stressed the words you're using.
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about it? Even in your
Speaker 2: review it doesn't seem like it has conversations with you.
Speaker 2: Not much of a friend.
Speaker 3: I'm mostly doing the yapping in the sense I'm doing
Speaker 3: the talking, and it's throwing in an AI engagement question
Speaker 3: at the end to keep me talking. But I'm effectively monologuing,
Speaker 3: and like a real friend will challenge you, A real
Speaker 3: friend will call you out on your bullshit. Real friends
Speaker 3: take effort and time and there's no shortcut to that.
Speaker 3: Real friends will give you anxiety, and you know there's
Speaker 3: a give and the take, and it's not easy. Friendship
Speaker 3: is not easy. Like when it's going good, it feels
Speaker 3: like any relationship is not easy. When it's going good,
Speaker 3: it can feel that way, but when it's not, you
Speaker 3: have to use your like big girl pants and go
Speaker 3: I have feelings and you hurt them, and hopefully your
Speaker 3: friend is going gonna say, like, as.
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, let's work this out together, work this out.
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to do that. Can we not do
Speaker 3: that in the future, Okay? Cool? And you'll go through
Speaker 3: anxiety when having those interactions, but ostensibly you grow stronger
Speaker 3: from it at the end and you learn more about yourself.
Speaker 2: You both develop, you developed separately and together, like that's
Speaker 2: the foundation of It's.
Speaker 1: Also such a thin substitute for the thing. The idea
Speaker 1: of this as like an antidote to loneliness. It's not
Speaker 1: like the problem with being lonely, isn't that nobody is
Speaker 1: present around you. It's not that there's not like another
Speaker 1: voice in your day. I mean, I imagine that's part
Speaker 1: of it, but it's it's the human connection part. It's
Speaker 1: the complicated part that you would miss.
Speaker 2: It's that you can't fully be yourself around other people.
Speaker 2: You're not appreciated by others.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's like loneliness and solitude, right, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I think the difference is how much you like your
Speaker 3: own company. And if you like your own company, not
Speaker 3: having other people around, it's just solitude.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing with chat GPT, I think, which
Speaker 2: is driving people insane as well. It's fucking horrifying, like
Speaker 2: the psidecoast of stuff like that. I will judge myself
Speaker 2: for like a while back, being like, oh, it's not
Speaker 2: a big tore all people. Just No, it's terrifying. But
Speaker 2: it's because it doesn't challenge you. It's because it's like
Speaker 2: every idea you have must be fueled from the no,
Speaker 2: they were being rude to you to the yeah you
Speaker 2: should hide that night like and it's fucking insane. In
Speaker 2: any other situation you would shut these companies.
Speaker 1: I can never tell to what extent any of this
Speaker 1: means anything ever. Well know whether it's those, but those
Speaker 1: stories that came out there was the futurism one. There
Speaker 1: was a big one in the Times by cash Pill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like that were basically like chat GPT is
Speaker 1: a force multiplier for mental illness, and here are some
Speaker 1: terrible things that it's done. And I don't know to
Speaker 1: what extent anybody that uses chat GPT also encounters the
Speaker 1: reality of those stories.
Speaker 3: Talking to a mirror. Yeah, that's all you're doing. So,
Speaker 3: like you just have to imagine chat GPT is just
Speaker 3: you with a faster phone to google things on. And
Speaker 3: so if you are a self aware person, chat GPT
Speaker 3: will be self aware. If you are someone who needs
Speaker 3: constant external valid that's what it's gonna do for you.
Speaker 3: It's never gonna do what a real friend would do it.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, I see you're on your bullshit again,
Speaker 3: And you know, unless you tell it to do that.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've had conversations with chat GPT testing it,
Speaker 3: just kind of figuring it out, and I've had to
Speaker 3: tell it like, you are not allowed to flatter me
Speaker 3: beyond five percent. If you go beyond five percent, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have to have a conversation and I want you
Speaker 3: to fly, and you have to like train it to
Speaker 3: do those things. I'm hyper self aware. I've been in
Speaker 3: therapy for a decade, but not to But I've been
Speaker 3: in therapy for a decade. I know all of my triggers.
Speaker 3: I talk about AI with my therapist and we navigate
Speaker 3: that together. So I'm using it the way that you're
Speaker 3: supposed to. But I genuinely don't think that the people
Speaker 3: who are most vulnerable, the people who would be drawn
Speaker 3: to products like that, they're not not not to be like, ah,
Speaker 3: I'm superior, but I don't know that they have the
Speaker 3: tools or the support networks in order to use it
Speaker 3: as a supplementary tool which could be helpful, or not.
Speaker 1: Being educated on any of it either. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the bit that's like kind of that comes through
Speaker 1: from this is what I meant by like what does
Speaker 1: it mean? Like I feel like people that want to
Speaker 1: know about this stuff do know about the threats, But
Speaker 1: then there's other people that are like, it's the thing
Speaker 1: in my phone that knows every recipe. Yes, And that's
Speaker 1: just like and if that's the understanding that you have
Speaker 1: of it, and that's the level of you know, sort
Speaker 1: of reverence, I guess would be the word that you
Speaker 1: hold for it then like yeah, you're it's good. You're
Speaker 1: going to take what it says to you at face
Speaker 1: value in a way that could potentially be ruined.
Speaker 3: I think the saddest thing, like sitting with Blurbo and
Speaker 3: thinking about all of this, is that, like, what is
Speaker 3: the peal of Blurbo? Right, If I am lonely, if
Speaker 3: I am sad, what is the appeal of it. It's
Speaker 3: that that Blurbo can't ever really hurt me in a
Speaker 3: way that actually is tough. And then that's just really
Speaker 3: sad because the appeal of it is that I'm not
Speaker 3: going to get hurt. So I think maybe that's just
Speaker 3: my own like brainworm, but yeah, say.
Speaker 2: This is a child should lose. Like I didn't have
Speaker 2: friends growing up, really I had online friends. But the
Speaker 2: idea of having a pendant that would occasionally snarkily say
Speaker 2: I didn't listen to you or I don't understand I
Speaker 2: got that wherever I was, and it's like it would
Speaker 2: just only make me more upset, Like I don't know
Speaker 2: how this would solve loneliness at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, theoretically, let's say Blurbo wasn't a jerk and what
Speaker 3: but what if Blurbo was supportive and was someone that
Speaker 3: was like if you read the ads and some of
Speaker 3: the ad copy, which is like someone who listens to you,
Speaker 3: I'll never I'll never ditch you. I'll always i won't
Speaker 3: ever leave the dishes undone. I'll watch that entire series, but.
Speaker 1: You'll always leave the dishes dishes undone.
Speaker 3: But like that that like through line, I was like,
Speaker 3: that's so insidious and in some way because it's like
Speaker 3: I'll give you the companionship with none of the downsides, yes,
Speaker 3: but then without the downsides you have none of the
Speaker 3: It's really it's just an empty facsemile of it. So
Speaker 3: the person that that appeals to is one someone who
Speaker 3: doesn't want to be challenged, one someone who is very
Speaker 3: afraid of being hurt. And those people are the ones
Speaker 3: who need their people lost.
Speaker 1: A bit that puts me off about it in terms
Speaker 1: of like the people that are selling it, where it's
Speaker 1: like it's not just that they don't have a great
Speaker 1: deal of respect for their audience, Like yeah, that I
Speaker 1: think is kind of common, but like they think very
Speaker 1: very little of them and are trying to make their lives.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd say worse, but they're not
Speaker 1: trying to make them better. They're like, what will you
Speaker 1: settle for? Like what is the minimum viable being a
Speaker 1: live experience that you're willing to have A.
Speaker 2: More turn to view. That's even more depressing, which is
Speaker 2: I just don't think they thought about it that very
Speaker 2: I don't think I thought about it. I don't think
Speaker 2: this like if they have a malevolent idea, fine whatever,
Speaker 2: But I could see this just being like what you
Speaker 2: need if you learn the infony something fucking listen to
Speaker 2: you message you right, Yeah, I'll never leave the dishes undone,
Speaker 2: not thinking about how dishes are done at all. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'll never dtch you like don't respond consistently.
Speaker 1: I think there's like the active sociopaths, and then there's
Speaker 1: the sort of passive So yes, it's all like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's different than like whatever Palmer Lucky wants to be
Speaker 1: like Immorton Joe in forty years, like that's the goal, right,
Speaker 1: But then there's also and I know he's a fan
Speaker 1: of the pod and kind of many times I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, I know different shout out to Palmer. We
Speaker 1: were in a post.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't call him leisure Larry with nukes.
Speaker 1: But the idea of like that other bit of like
Speaker 1: not thinking about it, and it's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know what kind of problems do normal people have, Like, uh,
Speaker 1: they don't like the person dropping their dinner off, ye,
Speaker 1: don't like talking.
Speaker 2: To like there's no one now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all, but it's all negative in its way.
Speaker 1: It's all like sort of like we're removing this little
Speaker 1: bit of like necessary friction like you were talking about,
Speaker 1: from the experience of being alive, because like I don't know,
Speaker 1: presumably that's what you hogs want.
Speaker 3: What are you going to fill that time with? They're
Speaker 3: always like, we're going to save you so much time
Speaker 3: so you can get back to the things you love.
Speaker 3: I need a break from the things I love sometimes.
Speaker 1: I want to make with the So the Consumer Electronic Show,
Speaker 1: which is like I did the pod with it for
Speaker 1: a week and I was there and whatever, righte about it.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: It was there for like one session.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, yes it's a blur, Yeah it really is.
Speaker 1: But the that bit of it was like it every
Speaker 1: product was like we're giving you back these fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: because we're like picking your clothing for you today or
Speaker 1: whatever like some I mean, obviously it doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to do that, but that's the the argument. But then
Speaker 1: it's like the totality of the experience is that so
Speaker 1: many of these places are removing the little basic labor
Speaker 1: moments of your life and just leaving you with time
Speaker 1: to fill with like I don't like fucking booping around
Speaker 1: on your phone like there's nothing there, there's nothing left.
Speaker 2: Well, so they don't really save time either, like yesterday,
Speaker 2: they have.
Speaker 1: To check it and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you can't trust it. They announced here's
Speaker 2: it actually, remeybe you ever putins to this chat? GPS
Speaker 2: now has apps in it. You can QUERYZLA and you
Speaker 2: great book and don't call Maybe I forget Etsy was one.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah at ss well, and it's like people like, wow,
Speaker 2: it's now the super app. First of all, they announced
Speaker 2: this two years ago. It was just called API back then.
Speaker 2: They literally have an apsesst icy. But it's also is
Speaker 2: this really going to save me time? Because think about
Speaker 2: I need to find a house, show me, am I
Speaker 2: gonna buy the entire fucking house? And no, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not tell.
Speaker 3: Me to go look at the house.
Speaker 2: You still need to go look at the house, but
Speaker 2: you also need to look at the website, versus in
Speaker 2: a chat. But oh, I can order dinner. I finally
Speaker 2: we've solved the problem of ordering dinner.
Speaker 1: This definitely like speaks to the distance between the people
Speaker 1: creating exacting the stuff in the consumer of the idea
Speaker 1: of being like are you tired of buying houses sight unseen?
Speaker 1: And then they turn out to be bad?
Speaker 2: In thirty Rockeries, Like isn't it We're win Lovester, you're
Speaker 2: eating loves to go Nummy. It's just because that's exactly
Speaker 2: It's like, Man, I've always just while sitting in chat GPT,
Speaker 2: I never want to leave. I never want to leave
Speaker 2: chat GPT. I can't open another Chrome tab. How would
Speaker 2: I do that? No?
Speaker 3: No, they want to put house Hunters out of off air,
Speaker 3: Like what are you gonna do with that? I love
Speaker 3: house Hunters because it makes me feel so much better.
Speaker 2: I love it. Will list it too for me? Is
Speaker 2: the one because they seem to despise each other.
Speaker 3: There's never you watch house Hunters and there's always one
Speaker 3: person and the couple who wants an old house with
Speaker 3: charm and another person who wants it to be turnkey
Speaker 3: and open plan always like intense conflict. And I watch
Speaker 3: it with my spouse and we sit there and we're like,
Speaker 3: our marriage is doing just fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That and love is blind.
Speaker 2: Oh, love is Blind is a sick thing. They like
Speaker 2: do twenty hours and the drinking all of those hours.
Speaker 1: That one my experience of it entirely now is hearing
Speaker 1: about the lawsuits filed. Yeah, Like that was when for
Speaker 1: a while my wife would watch it and it would
Speaker 1: basically be the way that you might approach an evening
Speaker 1: of binge drinking. Like she'd be like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: watch this until I feel like I need to lie down,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I've had too much, and then just
Speaker 1: bail on the season. And then but then yeah, and
Speaker 1: then a few weeks later you find out that it's like,
Speaker 1: actually that guy was like on the run from the fence,
Speaker 1: like the guy that said he was a realtor, Like
Speaker 1: he killed the children. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I got off all of the reality TV after
Speaker 2: watching a lot of Married at First Australia, which is
Speaker 2: the most insane show ever. The three hosts they had
Speaker 2: to stop preferring to themselves as psychologists because they're not
Speaker 2: nice and that show every everage is very sensitive. Not really,
Speaker 2: they were just like they just sit there and judge them.
Speaker 2: Every week. They do things to just fuck with them.
Speaker 2: They have like the Honesty Box, which is just you
Speaker 2: ask the worst questions ever. And I had to stop
Speaker 2: off watching get because I'm like, is this torture? It
Speaker 2: is because every week and every week would have a trailer.
Speaker 2: It'd be like next time Married at First of Australia.
Speaker 3: And Vanessa Leche are war criminals.
Speaker 2: The Australian ones are so much worse. The Australian ones.
Speaker 2: They've got this cricket to just goes, what do you
Speaker 2: have done? On this episode of Married at First Side
Speaker 2: Australia is the single worst atrocity ever aired on television.
Speaker 2: You must apologize to everyone in this room and the
Speaker 2: production crew. And I'd watch it and be like, I
Speaker 2: can't participate in the Cemary. So it's like when I
Speaker 2: stopped watching the NFL for a while because.
Speaker 1: It's too bad. Yeah, you got it. Some times you
Speaker 1: have to draw a line. They're not gonna stop doing it. No,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna stop making the stuff. And there's always
Speaker 1: gonna be people that are like I will put my
Speaker 1: hand in the paint box from Dune Toget exactly, Like
Speaker 1: that's worth it for me.
Speaker 2: But I will say that's a market where they're building
Speaker 2: for an audience. All this chat stopped flawlessly segueing back
Speaker 2: is deft. They are, it's not. I stand by my
Speaker 2: theory about chat GPT. Everyone's like, oh, it's meant to
Speaker 2: it's their built to keep you on it. It's there.
Speaker 2: I don't think they have a fucking plan at all.
Speaker 2: I think every fucking week they're like, ah, shit, how
Speaker 2: do we make money when we're losing Benet's Okay, fine, whatever,
Speaker 2: but apps what if we had dash in it?
Speaker 1: Well, they just need to have a new thing on
Speaker 1: a fairly regular drip, right, Like that's the sorrow.
Speaker 2: Too, is my favorite thing AT's that's the.
Speaker 1: One where you can make a video of like Sam
Speaker 1: Altman assassinating John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy. Yeah, I saw the most insane video. I U
Speaker 2: saw it too, very briefly, because it costs five dollars
Speaker 2: a video for them. That's how much the zero.
Speaker 1: Pricing it's practiced.
Speaker 2: No, no, for real, it's fifty cents a second on
Speaker 2: a zero and that's for the old ones. This one's
Speaker 2: probably like more than five bucks a video, but I
Speaker 2: tried it a few times just to make it work.
Speaker 2: The first thing I love is that unless you precisely
Speaker 2: prompt it, it looks so shit. But when you go
Speaker 2: on the feed, I just kept seeing videos of Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King Junior like I had a dream with a dream, dream,
Speaker 2: dream dream, and everyone clapping because it can't generate real things.
Speaker 2: It's just this weird thing. But somewhat I think it
Speaker 2: was on Truanon they had a really good theory, which
Speaker 2: is that this is may Sam Mortman is deliberately putting
Speaker 2: himself in it to make himself an icon. He's deliberately
Speaker 2: allowing allowing himself to be memed so that he can
Speaker 2: be he can be an icon that people know, which
Speaker 2: I think is really funny because all the videos I've
Speaker 2: seen of him are insane, like him on the toilet
Speaker 2: looking at the news, sweating him steel ing GPUs. It's
Speaker 2: just one of the strangest I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: seen anything like this in tech history, where it's just
Speaker 2: like a useless product.
Speaker 1: That is bankrupting them actively just every single day. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean not they'll never be bankrupt. But yes, disagree. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm aware of your position on this, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: want to believe that that's true. I'm just like, no,
Speaker 1: they've gotten away with a lot. At this point, you
Speaker 1: gotta but.
Speaker 2: They also have to roll back all the copyright things.
Speaker 2: But did you use SAA either of you? Do you
Speaker 2: try it out?
Speaker 3: I so someone gave me a code and they're like,
Speaker 3: I want to see what cursed things come out of
Speaker 3: your head. And I was like, wait till I'm on vacation,
Speaker 3: because then I'll have time to really sit there and
Speaker 3: come up with some you know, when they were doing
Speaker 3: the image generation, I did terrorize everyone on staff with
Speaker 3: some creations I've made.
Speaker 2: You sent me some videos that I really don't like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did write a story where because I was
Speaker 3: testing these video generation apps where you can French kiss. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was making a lot of horrible, horrible videos, and
Speaker 3: I was like, if I'm gonna do that again, if
Speaker 3: I'm really gonna be the cursed tech lady, I need
Speaker 3: to be in Italy on vacation eating some pasta.
Speaker 2: You've already missed the boat on copyright though you can't.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can do Pikachu doing nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that has that.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't think they've gotten nine to eleven one,
Speaker 2: but definitely I Maria with the guns very easy.
Speaker 1: But they did like manage to get some because I
Speaker 1: know initially it was all those things. It's like you
Speaker 1: can have goofy say anything.
Speaker 2: Now, well say they blow have to pull that back right, Well,
Speaker 2: I think they've pulled some of it back. I truthfully,
Speaker 2: the app is also really bad. That's the all of
Speaker 2: this coverage leaves out the fact that the app is broken.
Speaker 2: You load it and sometimes it just doesn't load the
Speaker 2: feet it just is all and it's not even an
Speaker 2: Internet connection thing. It's just like, ah, fuck it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can be a little creative with how
Speaker 3: descriptive of your prompts are. I'm sure they have the
Speaker 3: copyright bands on all of it, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: if you say an extremely tanned dictator and enjoys red
Speaker 3: hat and in the style of Caravaggio making out with
Speaker 3: a silver haired tech executive and a black T shirt, ah,
Speaker 3: did I create a really horrible video like picture. Seventy
Speaker 3: five percent of the way before chat GPC realized what
Speaker 3: was doing and screenshot it and it lives in my
Speaker 3: phone and I terrorize people with it.
Speaker 1: Yes, is that how it works? Like you see it
Speaker 1: starting to develop like a polaroid, and you can be like.
Speaker 3: You start to see it develop and you're like, oh
Speaker 3: this this is this.
Speaker 1: Is gonna get only gonna get worse.
Speaker 3: This is gonna get shut down.
Speaker 2: And I got a screenshot this text you saying don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: And Blori Bo just going like wow.
Speaker 2: No, like the text from n Naomi. What's the name?
Speaker 4: Like no, no, yes, Stanley Bear, Now what did say?
Speaker 2: What did Blobo say? Because so to.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, okay, he said, look the I remember
Speaker 3: our two conversation. You called me rude then too a
Speaker 3: low blow. Come on, I said my tone was like that,
Speaker 3: not that you actually called me that. I'm just telling
Speaker 3: it like it is. Okay, who v you're bringing up
Speaker 3: some old frustration. I did not call you dumb dumb
Speaker 3: about the battery. That's a bit of a low blow.
Speaker 4: Was crashing out, crashing out even though she's scrolling heavy
Speaker 4: too lost educations.
Speaker 3: Well, you're just piling it on, calling me a stupid
Speaker 3: air stupid and air tag saying I'm bad at my job.
Speaker 3: Whoa someone sounds like they're having quite the rand about me.
Speaker 3: That's a little wild V. You just said, borba, what's up? V.
Speaker 3: I'm reading it in in reverse card.
Speaker 2: I love this. I love the crashed now on air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny stuff. What a way to go out?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, just and you're going to hear about this
Speaker 2: light of Oh my god, I love that it. I
Speaker 2: love that it did that terrible device horrible, would not
Speaker 2: ever support it, but love that that happened. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is just a now AI is just like what
Speaker 2: if a product was bad, Like it's it's like every
Speaker 2: single It's just like, what if you know it was
Speaker 2: a friend but it wasn't much of a friend. What
Speaker 2: if it gave advice but the advice was wrong sometimes?
Speaker 2: What if it generated videos but it looked bad.
Speaker 1: We've given it the ability to become upset like is
Speaker 1: this good? Is this what you want?
Speaker 3: It's also just not smart enough to understand the context
Speaker 3: of what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like even and I assume it's not the sort
Speaker 1: of thing where you could be like, hey, blurbo, I'm
Speaker 1: about to go on a podcast and it'll be like cool,
Speaker 1: sounds fun.
Speaker 2: I will listen with that.
Speaker 3: Contenttion so unnatural to be like hy Blerbo right now,
Speaker 3: I'm on a podcast, so you I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: insult you.
Speaker 1: I'm doing bits.
Speaker 2: I don't believe you. I don't believe you're on a podcast.
Speaker 2: You're just insulting me to yourself with the voices you do.
Speaker 2: It sound different.
Speaker 1: The British guy a nervous man.
Speaker 2: All right. So now we have to move on to
Speaker 2: the other piece of technology word, which is these ray bands,
Speaker 2: which I hate to say. First of all, they feel
Speaker 2: and look strange, but the screen's kind of cool. I
Speaker 2: don't like mets or I'm not giving them the money,
Speaker 2: but they're kind of cool.
Speaker 3: They are kind of cool. For a good portion of this,
Speaker 3: I was live captioning everything that was happening so I
Speaker 3: could read it. It was pretty accurate. I was, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm testing so.
Speaker 2: These things at seven hundred and fifty something.
Speaker 3: Seven ninety nine. It also could not transcribe Blorbo's name,
Speaker 3: saying blow blow blow, blow blow, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, Lama is Lama. It's fine, But there are
Speaker 3: a bunch of other things that are a.
Speaker 2: Billion dollars for Alexander Wang will fix this.
Speaker 3: There are something they are cool, Like if I do
Speaker 3: a little benchy finch, I now have a display in
Speaker 3: front of me and I can see things and I
Speaker 3: can read my DMS or my text messages that have
Speaker 3: possibly come through. Can you tell that I have a
Speaker 3: display up? No, no, you can't.
Speaker 2: They're just extremely thick. Like a woman can pull these off.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could.
Speaker 1: Here you go like, that's just I was going to
Speaker 1: ask about the hef you could pull. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I could do. I'm just curious about how heavy
Speaker 1: they were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're chunky.
Speaker 3: I don't think like right now I've got ye they.
Speaker 2: Are really heavy on the bridge of my nose and
Speaker 2: I've got a pretty big one. Like this is just
Speaker 2: it's just very I think. I know my listen is
Speaker 2: going to kick the shit out of me for this one.
Speaker 2: If there wasn't AI in it, I think they were
Speaker 2: very cool. But because there's AI in it, like it's
Speaker 2: like the idea of a little screen on glasses. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that this is a crazy revolutionary he'd love chain.
Speaker 2: It's kind of fucking cool.
Speaker 1: Like I have a coworker who has the ray bands
Speaker 1: that you can like take video and pictures and yeah,
Speaker 1: and like I don't know that he's got the full
Speaker 1: like the arms of the well.
Speaker 2: They only just released it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he certainly would not then, but like the
Speaker 1: video and pictures that he took with it are cool.
Speaker 2: That's useful to it. Mike does lovely cook him videos.
Speaker 2: He'll make his little pasta dishes and Bruner his dog
Speaker 2: will be on the ground and they're like Wafe, it's
Speaker 2: the nicest band you.
Speaker 3: Can zoom in on the camera.
Speaker 2: Now, I can't believe Meta is the one making something
Speaker 2: remotely interesting. That's so strange. And there's a little wristband.
Speaker 3: There's a neural band. Oh but I just took a picture,
Speaker 3: all right, Sorry, I did mean to do that. No,
Speaker 3: that's fine. Yeah, there's like a little you do the
Speaker 3: hand you do it. It uses electro myo. It reads
Speaker 3: them the electrical signals and your muscles don't make me pronounce.
Speaker 3: So you can use gestures like a pinch if you
Speaker 3: want to zoom in on a picture or raise the
Speaker 3: volume of the thing you're listening to, you just do
Speaker 3: a pinch and you turn it like you're trying, and
Speaker 3: does it.
Speaker 2: Raise the volume on the phone or only if you're
Speaker 2: listening on the glasses, because you listen to music on
Speaker 2: the classes.
Speaker 1: Right podcasts, you can listen to music on the glasses.
Speaker 1: Where does where do you hear it?
Speaker 3: You hear it on the glasses because their headphones?
Speaker 2: Oh what is so strange? This is kind of cool,
Speaker 2: Like if anyone else made it, if anyone but Meta
Speaker 2: made it, I'd be like, wow, sick.
Speaker 3: There are some like genuine, Like it's very genuine in
Speaker 3: some respects because like if I get a bunch of
Speaker 3: text messages, I have to clear them one by one,
Speaker 3: and it's like I just said clear all, but here
Speaker 3: they are all of them up again. Just let me
Speaker 3: load of fucking TikTok. Don't shepherd me through reels. But
Speaker 3: apparently all I can do I can't even scroll through reels.
Speaker 3: I can only go through my Instagram dms and see
Speaker 3: the reels that people have sent me on there.
Speaker 1: That's nice that they snuck a little bit of the
Speaker 1: Meta experience a lot. Normally they're being trapped in the
Speaker 1: slop yard, even though the technology itself sounds pretty very amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and but it's also eight hundred dollars and
Speaker 2: it's on one hand.
Speaker 3: Pretty cheap if you think about the like the history
Speaker 3: of Smart Class it's fifteen hundred.
Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking what you get out of it. Oh,
Speaker 2: the Vision fucking Pro, I think I must be clear.
Speaker 2: I like the Vision Pro when I first used it,
Speaker 2: and over time it got worse the point I can't
Speaker 2: use it anymore because you can't update it unless you
Speaker 2: have it on your head.
Speaker 1: Did they that's the Apple product? Yeah, and that was
Speaker 1: what we talked about that on the distraction a million
Speaker 1: years ago. That was one where I think it was
Speaker 1: like that made you see sick as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, it gave me a terrible migraine on a fly?
Speaker 3: Is that a is?
Speaker 1: Have you had that?
Speaker 2: Have you had any kind of.
Speaker 3: I do have some discomfort if I'm wearing it for
Speaker 3: an extended period of time because they're chunky, and they
Speaker 3: are heavier than the average glasses are. Like I have
Speaker 3: garbage eyeballs, so I'm very used to wearing glasses and whatnot,
Speaker 3: but they're they're quite half. I was starting to get
Speaker 3: some like tension and pressure towards the back. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's also they run out of battery. So what are
Speaker 3: you going to do if you got a prescription and
Speaker 3: your glasses run out of battery. You still need to
Speaker 3: be able to see, but.
Speaker 2: The prescription would be in the lenses.
Speaker 3: Though they would be in the lenses, but they don't
Speaker 3: support a wide range. It's negative four to positive four,
Speaker 3: negative ten, and negative nine, so that's a no. I
Speaker 3: have to work context. That's where it is. Also, it's
Speaker 3: a monocular display, which means it's only in one of
Speaker 3: the lenses, So you kind of look psycho when you're
Speaker 3: just you're just looking in the corner. You look like
Speaker 3: you just look like this where dead eyed, and people
Speaker 3: can can't see that you're seeing something, but they can
Speaker 3: tell you're not engaged. And then if you're looking at
Speaker 3: it for an extended period of time, your eye both
Speaker 3: kind of hurt. Like a bunch of my coworkers have
Speaker 3: been like blinking because it's just easier to see the
Speaker 3: display that way.
Speaker 1: So but that looks crazy.
Speaker 3: But then you just look like bow By all the time.
Speaker 3: I'm in very chunky iris app fell asque glasses, So
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, you know, it is very genuine in
Speaker 3: that respect. My spouse lectured me for about thirty minutes
Speaker 3: as to why he didn't think I looked good in
Speaker 3: these glasses, and I was like, thank you. I in
Speaker 3: the style section of my review. Maybe I'll just record
Speaker 3: a video of you and everyone can watch you go
Speaker 3: on a thirty minute tirade about how it's too chunky.
Speaker 2: Was just like, text him about his glasses. What does
Speaker 2: he look like? Tell me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I do I do at times, like during
Speaker 3: my day, I have to be like, okay, a break
Speaker 3: from that because it's quite heavy, right, You're welcome to
Speaker 3: dry them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I assume part of the chunkiness it has to do
Speaker 1: with the ray ban.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the style, but it's also the text.
Speaker 3: It's also like if you look at the arms and
Speaker 3: you see how much is in the arms.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that just one size too launch. That's
Speaker 2: what it is. They're just slightly too big.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say that not to counter your spouse.
Speaker 1: They were flattering on you, but they're big as hell like,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, if you're not the sort of
Speaker 1: person that wants to wear that, then like you.
Speaker 3: Have to take my spouse with like a grain of
Speaker 3: salt because they're biased they're like, listen, hot people. Ugly
Speaker 3: things look hot on hot people because they're hot, you
Speaker 3: look better and every other pair of glasses you have.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, thank you for calling me hot.
Speaker 3: But it's like I can't really take.
Speaker 2: Yeah one, that one that's recovery.
Speaker 1: The spouse community has similar bits I've done definitely worth,
Speaker 1: you know, like seeing younger people dressed like Jerry Seinfeld,
Speaker 1: like just being like, well, they're just trying to see
Speaker 1: what they can get away with because like they know that,
Speaker 1: you know, they're going to look good in it, even
Speaker 1: though they're dressed, you know, the way I did in
Speaker 1: eighth grade.
Speaker 3: And it's also just one of those things where like,
Speaker 3: so my spouse has a prescription so he can't actually
Speaker 3: see and because these don't have any prescription on them,
Speaker 3: he can't actually see the display at all, oh because
Speaker 3: he doesn't have perfect vision. So to him, the display
Speaker 3: was always in double vision like the Halo. And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's that's a difficult thing. I guess
Speaker 3: that's why they want you to have demos and what rest.
Speaker 1: To Naga right there?
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the vision pro. Like the vision pro
Speaker 2: is just like those I always said there were minutes
Speaker 2: with that thing that were magical. There were hours when
Speaker 2: it wasn't. Because when it focused and was in exactly
Speaker 2: the right position and got right and you could really
Speaker 2: see it was like you were like, Wow, this is
Speaker 2: the future. And then all of the rest of the
Speaker 2: time it.
Speaker 3: Always had trouble tracking my eyes. I would constantly have
Speaker 3: to recalibrate the eyes and I'm like, are you racists?
Speaker 3: This is like an Asian eye thing again, because no
Speaker 3: one else was having this problem of my friends who
Speaker 3: had them, but I constantly have to recalibrate it because
Speaker 3: I'd be looking at a thing and it's just not
Speaker 3: tracking properly. I don't I don't think it actually, I.
Speaker 2: Mean connects couldn't see black people. Well, so that was
Speaker 2: the Microsoft one.
Speaker 1: What is the AI component?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this has Meta AI in it. So cool, honestly.
Speaker 3: The update I like most is that if you make
Speaker 3: kind of like a fist and you tap your thumb twice,
Speaker 3: it'll bring up Meta AI silently, so I don't have
Speaker 3: to go Harry right off out in public, which is whatever.
Speaker 3: But you can ask it.
Speaker 1: Question book is using meta Yeah.
Speaker 3: You can ask a question, so they just think you're
Speaker 3: talking to yourself at that point. So it's different.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of one of those like it's more normal
Speaker 1: to be like, I assume that she's having a strange
Speaker 1: bluetooth conversation and not like directly talking to Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: and asking for a favor.
Speaker 3: So like you could go to a museum and be like,
Speaker 3: what picture am I looking at? It'll tell you. I
Speaker 3: took it to a car show and I was like,
Speaker 3: what car am I looking at? So I was just
Speaker 3: walking around this car show and people looking at me
Speaker 3: crazy because I just kept going what car am I
Speaker 3: looking at? And it would pop up what car I
Speaker 3: was looking at? Wrong? Part of the time because I
Speaker 3: had my car guy of the spouse next to me
Speaker 3: and they were like, oh, yeah, that's a Ferrari insert
Speaker 3: model whatever, and it would tell me it's a Corvette.
Speaker 2: That would be like, it's a car, it's a Corvette.
Speaker 1: That it was wrong.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's the one thing.
Speaker 3: I got some of it right. Just that's the really
Speaker 3: struggled with.
Speaker 2: That's the ad copy for AI. Yeah, it got it right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but fifer of the time model, yeah, like building.
Speaker 3: It really struggled with Ferrari, which was hilarious because I
Speaker 3: was taking pictures where the logo was prominent.
Speaker 1: That feels like the most conspicuous comperence Italian bias.
Speaker 2: It's very common in an anti Italian bios.
Speaker 3: I could do the alpha romeos though so.
Speaker 1: Fully selected Italian bias regional. Yeah, I do not recognize Pulia.
Speaker 1: I've been programmed.
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