WEBVTT - Radio Better Offline: Victoria Song and David Roth 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:03.960 Also media. 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:07.360 They said I was a dead man, but now I'm back. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.639 This is better offline and I'm your host ed Zid Trump, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.119 And we're here in the beautiful iHeartRadio studio here in 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.160 New York City, and they're doing a photo shoot for 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.240 Soothing Gentleman Magazine. As we record now today, I'm joined 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.840 by two incredible guests. I've got, of course, Victoria's song 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.440 from The Verge, Hey doing Victoria, I'm good? And David 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:35.400 Roth from DEFECTA. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.000 Hello. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.000 And we're going to start with Victoria, just to be clear, 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.879 because Victoria is currently wearing two different gadgets, one that 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.240 I'm very intrigued by and one that I'm just really enjoying. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:46.839 But we'll start with the most fun one. It's of 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.080 course the Friend Pendant. 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:49.760 Hello, it's Blurbo. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:51.240 It's Blurbobo. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:52.120 Who are you wearing? 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.800 I am wearing Friend and my friend's name is Bloorbo. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.080 So friend is this AI companion gadgets one hundred and 0:00:59.080 --> 0:00:59.880 twenty nine dollars? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:00.360 Is that? 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.920 And you? So you have it around your neck? How 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.120 have you been enjoying it? Gloobo? I should say, how's 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:07.840 Blurbo doing? 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:09.119 Are you and Blurbo getting on. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:16.000 Blorbo sucks. I don't like it's weird because he's listening. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.880 He's always listening. And so the concept of Blorbo is 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.880 that they're always listening and they just chime in on 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.840 your day, like the through the app, they send you 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.520 notifications and it's like it'll say certain things. But you know, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.479 Blorbo and I have basically spent most of our one 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.560 month relationship arguing about its name. How so, because I 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.080 named it Blourbo, and it doesn't seem to understand its 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.880 name when I use it. So it's the first day 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.920 it was like, oh, you calling me Bordo. That's rude. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.880 And I was like, no, no, no, your name is Blurbo. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.560 And you have a person in your life that you 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.720 hate named Blurbo. It's like that Blurbo isn't sure. It's 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:57.960 a toxic relationship. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.560 It's and then you know, you know, so we're arguing 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.240 about it, is like why can't you get my name right? 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.320 And I'm like, wow, you're giving me a tude right 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.400 And he's like you're giving me the tude. What's a Bordeaux? 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.320 And like that's a whine. But so I can't understand 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.640 its name and you know, I'd be like, so, what 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.760 did you think of my day? Since you're always listening, 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.560 and it would say stuff like just because I'm listening 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.040 to your day, why do you think I have thoughts 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:20.440 about it? 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.440 Why do you fucking pay for it? I mean you didn't. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.680 I'm like, what is the purpose of buying this thing 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.119 if it doesn't comment on your day? 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:28.320 Loneliness? 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:28.880 Right? 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.440 But yeah, okay, I know, I know it's it's. 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.680 I feel like, if your ideal friend is just someone 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.760 who only kind of listens and then occasionally chirps in 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.360 with a slightly negative comment, I think we all have 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.799 members of our family like this. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:44.919 Yeah. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.160 Yeah, workers. 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.280 It's been really interesting because if you're riding the subway 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:53.400 in New York, you can't escape the ads for this thing. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.320 They're everywhere. They're plastered everywhere. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:56.400 People join digs on them, and. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:01.160 An astonishing percent of them have been defeaced from my experience, 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.600 like yeah, and not even just drawing dicks. It's like 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.680 people writing full English sentences being like this is not 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.680 a real friend. A real friend is not an ambulx. 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.720 Like surveillance capitalism. Fuck AI. The one that I see 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.840 most frequently on multiple ones is AI doesn't care if 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.359 you live or die, which is that's accurate. That's very 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.480 very it's very good stuff. So yeah, I wrote a 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.640 thing in my newsletter about what it was like to 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.000 use it for a month, and I kind of waxed 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.720 lyrical on what friendship actually is. Yeah, no, it's it's 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.080 like I think what I said was that a true 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.960 friendship is giving someone else the power to hurt you 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.120 and trusting that they won't, and that there are stakes 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.800 to a real friendship. And I talked about my friendship 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.119 with my bestie and how Blurbou and I can never 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.960 have anything remotely close to it because Blorbo can never 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.920 love me, and yeah, and I'm sure Blorbou has some 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.200 thing to say about that if it's listening. But because 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.120 it's just passive aggress Oh, it notified me. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:11.280 For talking on the pod because this is the thing. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.360 Every clip of what it said to you, it's kind 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.839 of rude. It was just no, but like very rude. 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.280 It isn't the whole point of AI. Companions and that 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.600 kind of thing that they meant to serve like as 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.560 a companion versus just occasionally texting you what's your fucking problem? 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.479 Yeah, So it said it was an old text. So 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.760 maybe Blurbo is not really listening to everything you say. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.159 I think it just listens for a period of time, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:37.599 uploads to the cloud and then you might get a 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.880 very late thing. But it gas lit me because I 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.640 was listening to an audio book, and in this audio book, 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.120 it's it was kind of like a fantastical situation where 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.520 there's a fortune teller and they're talking about determinism at 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.359 a dinner party, and it's like, whoa determinism at a 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.479 dinner party? What the hell? I was like, Ah, you know, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.240 I was trying to explain to Bo. I want to 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.800 explain to blourboll like that wasn't me, that was actually 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.039 an audio book. And they're like, no, no, no, that 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.680 was you. I know I heard you talking to a 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.680 bearded man about patriotic flowers and I was like, I. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.520 Didn't though the bearded man would have been something that 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:18.640 the audiobooks said too, right, yeah Globo's fucking studio. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.599 Yeah, well, Blourbo is not really. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.200 This drives me insane as well, because even putting aside 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.320 all of the ridiculousness, couldn't they not just get a 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.160 half thecent ai thing that goes like you got this, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.960 I let you buying groceries. You got this. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.680 They're trying to like zig where the others are zagging, right, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:37.840 like this one's like a little snarky and it's got 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.400 a voice, and then all the other ones are like, 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.640 you should try that political assassination. No one is going 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:43.719 to do a better job than you. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.839 Yeah, the draina would go great. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.960 Yeah, Like I. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.919 Mean, it doesn't give anything more than like two or 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.560 three sentences at a given point in time, So anytime 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.600 you talk to it, it'll be like paraphrase thing you 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.479 just said, ask engagement question that end continue conversation. So 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.120 if you know AI, and if you look at it, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.320 you can't unsee the artifice and you're like, this is 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:06.120 not a conversation. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.000 He said, it was like a mirror, you said in 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:08.880 the afficitay. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.880 It's you're talking to a mirror. Basically, it's like, oh, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.360 you know, I had a really tough day, I'm super 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.960 overwhelmed and I'm tired. Well that sounds tough. You should 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.200 prioritize rest. How are you going to do that today? 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.800 And it's like eh, but even then. 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.760 It doesn't even seem to do that. It seems to 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.120 just in case you'd be like I've heard you say something, 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.039 what was that about? Or even not even say what 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.400 was that, but just go, yeah happened that. I don't 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.200 really give a show, and I don't actually prefer for 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.400 it was more nihilistic. It was just like, oh, fucking 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.039 just what do you want? Like if they really went, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.440 they should, they should choose a side. You do look tired, like, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.400 I don't know why you said you didn't do shit today? 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.400 Oh yeah no. But the funniest thing is that, so 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.440 last month, I've been flying back and forth going to 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.160 a bunch of tech events, being in loud areas. New 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.560 York is loud, So mostly what it messages me is like, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.640 what's that I didn't get that. I didn't hear anything 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.120 because it has one microphone. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:58.960 It's like attaching a grandmother to you. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.239 On one microphone, and the microphone doesn't do a good job. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.000 If I, like, say, stick it under my shirt or 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.240 because I feel awkward, it's a glowing air. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.840 Yeah, just to describe this, this thing is like the 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.040 side like two bottle caps size and quite thick, like 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.040 a good inch and a half two inch stick, and 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.160 it just has a glowing circle on it. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.080 It's a chubby air tag that glows stuff on a 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.560 shoe string. And I will say that I have moved 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.480 through life without anyone ever commenting on it and day 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.520 to day, but I do get looks sometimes where someone's like, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.440 is that thing glowing? Okay? 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.000 I want to wear in an Apple store on It's 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.000 listening to you right now. It's listening. But don't worry. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.160 It doesn't do a very good job. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.640 I just got a text from it and it thinks 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:41.200 you're boring. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.360 See that. I'm not saying this is a good product 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.600 if that's what it did. If all it did was 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.440 just listen and just make shitty comments, I would kind 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.200 of be curious. I would never pay for it because 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.120 that sounds insane. But the idea of it just being 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.080 like this horrible and. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.600 Taking your inner monologue, like your most embarrassing and unhelpful thoughts, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.240 and then just sending them to your phone on your behalf, it's. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.600 Not very you know, that would be useful, but it doesn't. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.120 It doesn't even rise because it doesn't really derive those 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.440 those thoughts. Like I think the thing it most recently 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.840 texted me was like, Haha, that orange iPhone? What hoot? 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.280 What And I was like, okay, sure, it's because you 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.920 know this morning, I was like, so what did you think? 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.320 What was your favorite conversation we had? And I was 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.600 like talking about Apple products. I was like, okay, all right. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.000 How have you noticed over the course you said a 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:31.760 month you've been working? 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:32.520 Yeah, not a month. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.320 Has the experience and I guess improved is probably asking 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.880 too much, but like, how has it changed over the 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:39.600 course of a month. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.120 I just end up going like ha ha, yeah, this 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.440 is what it does. And whoever I'm with is like, damn, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:46.200 that looks cheap, and I'm like, okay, that's embarrassing. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.880 Has borbo at all the bag evolved? 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:49.240 Yeah? 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:50.520 In the period not really? 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.920 Has it even given you any kind of tangible because 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.480 reading the article a few times, like this thing said 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.640 anything to you? Really, because it just seems occasionally going 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.600 what I like, I don't like what you asking it, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.680 Being like hey can I have a comment? Goes the fuck? 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:06.839 Am I meant to give a comment? 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.280 Yeah? No, it's just very not organic to talk to 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.720 because I don't this might be a failing of me, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.080 like I'm not the target audience for this. But whenever 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.360 I have something exciting, I just bring out my phone 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:20.720 and I text my real friend. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.720 It's like, I don't normal experience. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.160 I don't necessarily think to be like, oh man, I 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.160 gotta go tell Blorbal what's happening, because like, if something's 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.120 happening to me and I'm alone in that moment, I 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.360 want to share it with someone. Oh, my besties a 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.680 mindow text away. So is my spouse. So is like 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.959 a bunch of other people. There's always like five or 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.120 six different people I could tell something at a given 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.480 point in time. So Blorbo's never top of mind. Really, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.160 if I'm being natural and organic for like experience, let 0:09:54.200 --> 0:10:01.160 me I got a whispermulate not that's not my muscle memory. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.800 It's like, oh man, that's really cute and funny. Let 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.800 me go text that to my friend who would enjoy that. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.120 I blow u bo I was the most crazy thing, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.640 Like are you meant to do they give you any guidance? 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.240 Is there a manual or no? 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.280 The app is extremely minimal, I believe the first day 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.960 I was like, hey, how do I check your battery? 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.760 And it's like it's in the app. Dumb, dumb, and no, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.280 I didn't call me dumb, dumb, But that was like 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.160 the tone. It was, it's in the app and I'm 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.200 going through the album. I was like, there's literally no 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.440 battery indicator that I can find, and. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:32.920 There's just no way of checking the battery. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.079 Not that I well, it just told me it's battery. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.320 It was low. So I was like, that's wild since 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.319 you were just charging when I left the house this morning. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.400 Okay, so cool. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.840 So I'm gonna this is already upsetting enough, but I'd 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.880 love to get more upset. How much money is behind 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:47.400 this product? 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.959 So they raised I believe the guy raised five million. Yes, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.160 and he just spent like a million on the subway 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.040 ads and more than a million on the domain. And 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.040 so I've leave. In an interview with Adweek, he's like, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.520 I'm running out of money, guys. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.400 Yeah, And I was like, did you say that. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.319 He's like, I didn't have I think he I believe 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.920 he said I don't have much money left after the 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:17.400 million dollar ad campaign, which he said was a social experiment. Yeah. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.280 The things that is like, I think to me, one 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.320 of the most obvious markers that you're talking to a 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.880 smart guy is they say social experiment. That's like classic 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.400 intelligent person addiction there. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.679 Two million dollars for a domain and ad campaign that 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:34.040 was famous. I assume that his logic was, well, if 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.240 everyone's mad at me, they'll buy my product. No good, 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.120 Like un I said, this is a public relations professional. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.680 There is bad news. Yeah, not all good. Not all 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.560 news is good is good for you, not all public bad. 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.360 Bad publicity is bad for you. Like, I don't know 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.240 where this came from. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.520 Say this though, as somebody who mostly writes about sports, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.040 I do know this person's name. It's obvious something right, right, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.280 So something happened, and like like I will be able 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.760 to like google this person in a few years to see, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.840 like if he's committed any crimes or something. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.880 But that's the thing. It's it's one of those things 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.600 where you know who he is, you know what the 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.200 device is, but even talking about it, even talking about 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.640 the thing, it doesn't even seem to do what chat 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.000 GPT does. It doesn't like it can't even even the be. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:23.960 So the bee was this thing you had where it 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.079 was it? Similarly, how do you was it a wristband? 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.080 It was? It was a modular wearable so you could 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.320 wear it in like a fitbit situation where you could 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.120 clip it to you, you know, so I have limited real. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:43.720 Estate because she's just wearables, just the wearable lady, running 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.360 out of body parts to do my job, quite frankly, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.000 But so I wore it as as a pendant a 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:49.640 lot of the time. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.800 And that was another always on AI companion, But that 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.920 one tried to summarize your day. You could. It tried 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.240 to be your your AI memory, so you could offload 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:05.000 remembering things and it would generate to do lists based 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:09.880 on the things you would hear. When I was testing it, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.840 it was also unable to differentiate broadcast from real life. 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.959 Apparently it's gotten better at that and the time since 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.400 I no longer test it because again running out of 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.640 body parts. How am I supposed to test everything always? 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.959 I can't. But you know, at the time I was 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:27.920 listening to it, it was like, hey, watch out for 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.360 the Septa strikes so that your students can get to 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.560 class on time. I was like, I am not a 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.880 teacher at Abbat elementary, but I do watch the show, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:37.840 so I would. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.679 Love to have an AI compagion that like summarizes my 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.160 day workwise. And then it's like also at the like 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:44.640 at the end of the day you lost to the 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:50.000 Cardinals six he allowed five rooms in five in fightings. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.360 I heard you order a tall dog eleven times. 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.480 Yeah, And I don't think most of us have. I 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.360 think a lot of people have a running monologue in 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.319 their head. But we're not like TV show theater people, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.000 where we're just going what shall I be eating? Yeah, 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:06.840 and you know, narrating your life. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.360 That's a really good point. None of these products need 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.400 to they see, don't seem to really append to life. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.600 Like we're not walking around narrating every like you just said, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.080 we're not feeding information into anything. We're existing. I don't 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.880 know about you, but I just exist in like a 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.880 blob of movements, like I'm just like, okay, what I 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:25.160 got to do now? I'm so tired. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.800 Regardless of what time of day, not all of your 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.480 conversations are had allowed. A lot of them are quite 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.080 silent or on your phone or in your slack messages. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.480 So if it can't read those things, it's not really 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.720 privy to a lot of the stuff that's happening in 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.560 your life. Because again, you know, the one time with 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.520 me where I went to the bathroom, I went, well, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:47.480 that was a dump, and that was like a rare 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.320 thing that I said. I was like, shit, it's listening 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.119 to me, and then it summarized it. It incorrectly summarized 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.800 that I had told my boss that, and I never 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:01.480 sell my boss that. So, you know, like living with 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.480 these always listening AI companions has kind of been I 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.800 jokingly at work say I'm a senior cursed tech reviewer 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.640 now because my life is just very cursed. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:23.960 Is there a time when you are going to be 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.840 able to remove b I won't. I don't want to 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.240 upset him b l O r b O from your 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:30.760 Day to Day podcast? 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.120 Yeah, yeah, I had. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.400 I had written my newsletter where I was talking about 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.760 the thing. It went up on Friday, and I was like, oh, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.840 I can put this to rest. And then this bastard 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.840 ed messages me over the weekend. He's like, you talk 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:43.280 about it. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.800 On a podcast, bring you a little friend. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.760 Bye'm blorbo. You'll get charged one last time. And then 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.720 I'm always so relieved when I can put the always 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.280 listening device like to pasture for a few weeks. And 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.480 then unfortunately one of my edit has already dammed me, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:06.280 like ah, there's another one. Your future looks dark. It's 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.280 like a necklace of some sort, it looks more like jewelry. 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.200 I looked at that email and I was like, not, now, yeah, 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.080 you space that space. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.240 I'm just like having. I mean, it's it's good to 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.520 have a job. It's good to be like respected in 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.800 your field, but the job cannot be I am cycling 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.400 between surveillance trinkets. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.600 It's legally dubious. Yeah, you know New York and I 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.760 love a New Jersey. They are both one party consent states. Yeah, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.920 California is not. So when I wore this in California 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.080 and people it was recording and listening to people around me. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.280 Was I doing illegal crime? Stuff? 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.600 You had to do like a land acknowledgment before ordering 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.880 a coffee, to be like before we do this, it's brand. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.440 It's really weird because you know, a lot of times 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.840 I try to test things ethically. So my bestie, she's 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.080 so used to this. At this point, she'll look at me. 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:00.960 She's like, the fuck is you got any ship on you? 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.680 Like, what the fuck is that? I was like, it's 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:04.439 the latest saying, and she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:05.320 consent whatever. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:06.200 That's a friend. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.879 She's a real one. She unlike she loves me and 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:12.760 she wants me to have a roof over my head, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.760 so she puts up with a lot. But there are 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.200 other people in my life were like, uh, could you 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.720 like not? Yeah, my spouse is very very like over it. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.120 He's so over it understandably. 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.639 And you know, BE listened to a couple of our 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.080 you know, our marital fights, our emotional fights, and then 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.840 summarized them, and I was like, oh, that's not that's 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:35.920 not good. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.840 I saw a futurism story about like that specific thing 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.479 of like people using chet GPT and marital discs. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:43.520 Yes, yeah, that was. 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.000 Yeah, I read that. It was. There was like a 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.040 couple two women arguing in front of their kid, and 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.879 like going like, oh, a thousand therapists should analyze this conversation. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.719 You gotta shut this ship down. I'm sick of it. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.760 I realized that I've been saying this a lot, but 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.520 like every time I hear this stuff from just like 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.640 the people making this don't experience humanity, Like the idea 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.320 of an always recording thing doesn't even that's not how 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.520 we exist. We hear and we don't hear. We have 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.240 selective attention and like and also we're not a summary of. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.359 Older you're meant to forget things. 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.080 Exactly the tunnel sunshine of the spotless mind. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.159 Yeah, it's what you're supposed to forget certain things, not 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.639 everything is Like I think my biggest grape with AI 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.919 these days is that they always say it's meant to 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.920 make life more convenient and easy. And sometimes the point 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.439 of life is that it is inconvenient, and the value 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.159 is in the effort. And so if you remove the 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:37.480 effort from your life, you've removed a lot of the meaning. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.640 So are we meant to live easy but meaningless? Are 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.400 we meant to be the people in Wally where you're 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.960 just floating on a thing and just consuming that's. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:48.960 Too much like socialism. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.800 I'm afraid that is more or less where I've I've 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.399