1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told you from House Top 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Works Nott. Come hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: Caroline and Christens on vacation, which is sad for all 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: of us, but happily today we have an interview for 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: you with two of the members of the fantastic podcast 6 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Black Girls Talking. We're talking to Alicia and Aurelia today 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: and we super enjoyed our conversation with these ladies. This 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: is part two in our podcast Summer Camp, our podcasting 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: Women series. We've got a couple more of these for 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: you guys to enjoy throughout the summer um. But yeah, 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: today we're going to talk to Alicia and Aurelia and 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: sort of get their perspective on some great things that 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: are in the news and sort of how they practice 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: self care and how that ties in with them is 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: m So, without further ado, let's roll the interview. Could 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: you guys enlighten us as to the Black Girls Talking 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: origin story and how you've managed to build this amazing 18 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: long distance podcast on top of these amazing long distance friendships. Um, well, 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: we all met through Tumbler, which is kind of ridiculous 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: but awesome. I really and I were following each other 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: for a while. Same with Fatimah. Yeah, I remember and 22 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: I weren't following each other, but once the podcast kicked off, 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: we followed each other. But I think we all knew 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: each other. We all like ran in the same circle. 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: I think I actually followed all three of you. So 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: we all talk online and we'd all laughing une jokes 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: and complain together. And I think that said the basis 28 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: of a good friendship being able to complain together. So 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: that's how it all started. Um Fatima was actually the 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: one who came up with the idea though um you 31 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: would always talk about representation, and um Fatima was the 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: one who would I guess proactive about it. Yeah. She 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: I think she messaged all well, she put up one 34 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: post and was like I really want to do this 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: thing and if you're interested in just inbox me and quick. 36 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: We're the only four people that in boxed her. But 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll work behind the scenes and she 38 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: was like you're going to talk. So yeah, but that's 39 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: how it all came together for Timo like put her 40 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: foot down. It was like we're all going to do this, 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: and then we all just naturally fell in line. And 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: that's we've been we've been friends ever since. So yeah, 43 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: it really hasn't been that hard to maintain friendships because 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: we're all pretty active online. And even if we're not 45 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: active like you know and publicly online, we're always emailing 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: and it's messaging or damning. So it's been pretty easy 47 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: to stay in contact. Plus we like each other, so that, yeah, 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: that's the big part. We all like each other and 49 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: like to talk to each other. So yeah, a very 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: important part of a successful podcast. I gotta like to 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: talk to each other specifically. Um, that's really interesting then 52 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: that you all didn't sort of select self select each other, 53 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: like Okay, it's going to be us for Fatima put 54 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: out a call and you all just happened to be 55 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: the ones who answered. I love that. It's like podcast 56 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: fate is, Yeah, we're gonna destiny each pile. The podcasts 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: were the I like, we like to call ourselves the 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: end podcasting. I love that reference. Well. In a Hello 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: Giggles article from two thousand thirteen, we were reading, it 60 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: said that you all had never met face to face. 61 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: Is that still the case? No, we I think we 62 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: met like not long after that article went up. Yeah, 63 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: we all met up in New York City. Um, we 64 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: had like a little well it was it's weird, because 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: what's not weird? But we met up and then we 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: had other tumbler friends we met up with in New York. Yeah, 67 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: we're all friends with the same group of people, So 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't as weird as it sounds like. I'm all 69 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: actually interacted with like new each other before. Yeah, so 70 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: like when we met each other, it was kind of 71 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: just like I had to stop myself from calling it 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: really by her Tumbler name, that's how familiar we were online. 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, we met each other. Um, I think it 74 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: was two years, like in April or something. Yeah, we 75 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: hopefully have a meet up coming up within sooner than later. 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: So why podcasting in particular, Well, I think when we 77 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: started this, there wasn't really anything like it. I mean, 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: fortunately now that people have a lot of options, but 79 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, three years ago, we were like, we're not 80 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: hearing our voices really anywhere on the Internet, whether it's 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: like in the written word or on YouTube or in podcasts, 82 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: and podcast seemed like the most accessible thing the time. Well, 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: now that a bit of time has passed, Um, how 84 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: do you feel about that representation? Now in the podcasting world, 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: it seems like we've read a lot of articles about 86 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: how the majority of podcasters tend to be white dudes. 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: So do you feel like that representation is getting better 88 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: obvious to be honest to say, no, Yeah, I mean 89 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: we're always like psyched when we're on lists of podcasters 90 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: to listen to, but it's always like, listen to these 91 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: people of color, and we can I can always. I 92 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: I kind of gauge it by are we on lists 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: including like everyone including white guys too, or to just 94 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: lists including like women or people of color, and it's 95 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: normally just you know, the ladder. So I think when 96 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: you can see these lists put out by people like, 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: say I don't know, like MPR or Slate or whoever, 98 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: like these big media conglomerate, when they start including all 99 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: of us and not putting us in these like and 100 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: these boxes, that I'll know that it's finally becoming more 101 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: accessible to everyone. But for now, it's just it's very, very, 102 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: very white. Yeah. I mean, I think with the circulation 103 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: of lists articles like that, it's a lot of choir preaching. 104 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: So it seems a lot more. It seems like things 105 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: are improving a lot more and a lot faster than 106 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: they actually are, because you know, the articles that we 107 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: read on the blogs that we read our gear toward 108 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: our demographic. So there's always going to be a list 109 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: of you know, thirty great podcast by women and people 110 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: of color. But you know, if we're not getting funneled 111 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: out into the mainstream, then the people that really need 112 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: to be listening to this kind of stuff aren't listening 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, it seems like all of these more 114 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: recent trend pieces, which it seems like I've been largely 115 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: kicked off, things to the success of cereal Um on 116 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: women in podcasting in the excitement around that are nice 117 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: for finally paying attention to the fact that, yes, women 118 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: are making and hosting great podcasts. But like you said, 119 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the fact that it's still segmented off into that its 120 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: own little like corner is indicative that it's not there's progress, 121 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: but not really, because there has to be the modifier 122 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: of women or black women or you know, these specific 123 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: kinds of parts or or listeners slash readers of blogs 124 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: are being told like, well, no, this isn't for you, 125 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: this is just for women, or this is just for 126 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: women of color. You won't be interested it's almost like 127 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: that's the message that's being sent there. We hear a 128 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: lot like people will pick up our show and say, 129 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, you know, after listening to a couple episodes, 130 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: I really love it. I didn't think that was going 131 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: to be for me or pople who we even listen 132 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: to it and say, you know, this podcast isn't necessarily 133 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: for me, but I needed to hear it. That's amazing. 134 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's been a surprise to us to like 135 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: how how open people have been to us. So I 136 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: think historically or I don't know. At first, I thought 137 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: that maybe calming it black girls talking was going to well. 138 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: First I was like, well, we're black girls and we're talking, 139 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: and we want other black girls to know that we're 140 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: talking about black girl stuff, So this is great. And 141 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: then as time went on, I was like, well, maybe 142 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: people aren't instane because I don't know, maybe black is 143 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: like a negative connotation for them, which I don't know 144 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: why it would be. It's awesome, but for a lot 145 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: of people there's kind of like black. I think that's 146 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: slowly changing, And like I said earlier, I was I 147 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: continue to be surprised when we get like, you know, 148 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: white people from like Middle America who are like awesome 149 00:08:53,720 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: podcast like us. Hello, yeah, so I'm black girls talking. 150 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit, especially for listeners of 151 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: ours who haven't heard the podcast, some of your personal 152 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: favorite things to talk about, particularly with these other three women. 153 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Everything really Yeah. I don't think there's one thing that 154 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: we've covered where it has been like unpleasant to talk about. 155 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Even when we disagree, it's still a pleasant conversation. And 156 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: I feel like we all learned something because we all 157 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: come from we all do come from different backgrounds. So, um, 158 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: we talked about it because we talked about pop culture. 159 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: We'll talk about uh like Fiminius issues, social issues. We 160 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: talk about everything, So it can be serious like in 161 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: our last podcast, Um we're talking about the Rachel Doles 162 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: golf fiasco. Or we can be talking about Drake, which 163 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: well I talk about Drake. So what then, are a 164 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: couple of the most meaningful conversations that stand out to 165 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: both of you, you know what, As frivolous as it 166 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: may sound, I love it when we do our self 167 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: care episodes and like our beauty episodes, because that's something that, 168 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: at least for me, there wasn't really a community of 169 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: women who look like me, giving you know, makeup tips 170 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: or like how to keep your skin nice or how 171 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: to keep your hair and eyes like that's not that's 172 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: not a common thing. So it's really great when I 173 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: get to talk to my girlfriends about it and you know, 174 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: send that out to other people who might not have 175 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: girlfriends like mine to talk about it. I really love 176 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: when we talk about I love talking about beauty, of course. Um. 177 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: I also I really the conversations. I think the conversations 178 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: I love the most. I think they are when we 179 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: get into issues surrounding black womanhood because I think I 180 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: live in Phoenix and there aren't many black people or 181 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: black women who uh, it's not it's not something you 182 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: want to come out and say, I am a Feminism 183 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: is such a conservative areas. We're in a red state, 184 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: a crazy red state. So it's nice when I can 185 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: connect with three other like very intelligent and loving women 186 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: and talk about beings that directly concern us. So yeah, 187 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: it really it's just touching for me, and it's like 188 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: really reaffirming and kind of like validates like my validates 189 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: my feelings or maybe my sadness and my anger around 190 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: these issues. I don't feel like I'm I'm just going nuts, 191 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: so I can talk to a really have a teamline 192 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: remove about things that are weighing on my heart like that. Well, 193 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean speaking of waiving your feminist flag, your black 194 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: feminist flag. Um. What does feminism mean to each of 195 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: you in terms of that concept of self care? That's 196 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: a hard one, or maybe it's not. Maybe it's like 197 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: a really easy because maybe to me, feminism is self care, 198 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: like self care is putting myself first and doing the 199 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: best thing I can do for myself and for my 200 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: mental health and for my physical health. And fem feminism 201 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: does that feminism is me not allowing other people to 202 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: put me last. Yeah. I think for me, feminism and 203 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: self care like it's a verb. It's not. It's a 204 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: thing that's constantly in motion. And I I think when 205 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm always focused on self care, and I think before 206 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: I used to think, well, this is this is just 207 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: me being vain or selfish or a narcissist. I don't know, 208 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: but I think, knowing how how good these things are 209 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: from my mental state, I think that's feminism being being 210 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: able to to step outside of what society is telling 211 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: you and say no this is and not this is 212 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: kind of like a revolutionary act to me as a 213 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: black woman, to just say no, I'm putting a side 214 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: time for myself. That's a big like, that's a big thing. 215 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: It's like just sometimes it feels like just existing as 216 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: a black woman and being you know, vulnerable, or just 217 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: being present in this world as a black woman seems 218 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: like a revolutionary act a lot of the time, especially 219 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: in the current climate. Well, it seems like too. Even 220 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: allowing women to consider and value their own self care 221 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: and feminism as self care is a revolutionary act because 222 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: I think there's often this perception that self care for 223 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: women in particular is just selfishness or vanity. So I 224 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: love how you all have framed feminism as an extension 225 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: of that, because I mean, honestly, before listening to black 226 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: girls talking in the conversations you've had around it, I 227 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: hadn't even considered that angle before. Yeah, I think anytime 228 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: you can take care of yourself, like I think at 229 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: all times, I think we were kind of we're kind 230 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: of told to just suck it up and bear through 231 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: whatever we're going through. But you can't. You can't go 232 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: on like that, like you'll eventually break down, and what 233 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: good are you to yourself for anybody else if you're 234 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: just frazzled? You know. So yeah, I think just taking 235 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: time to say, look, this is I love myself and 236 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna people tind to care for myself. I think 237 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: that's that is a feminism just as much as you know, 238 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: protesting is. I think that at least, you know, we 239 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: talk about like second way of feminism versus whatever whatever. 240 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of times people think of 241 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: things as vanity and they put you know, not wearing 242 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: makeup or not doing your hair or not whatever whatever, 243 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: putting it on a pedestal, when really it's about letting 244 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: women do whatever it is that makes them feel good. 245 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: It's for you that means not wearing makeup in that sign. 246 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: If for somebody else that means wearing everything that they 247 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: have in alta on that day, then that's you. And 248 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times that these kind of 249 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: like archaic, uh the whole don't don't work, don't dress up, 250 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: or do or make the people want to take you seriously. 251 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: I feel like those are conflicts that were put in 252 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: place by patriarchy, and so by actually saying, hey, this look, 253 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: loss is fun though, like you're kind of like you're 254 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: confronting patriarchy and you're learning all these things that have 255 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: been ingrained into us by society. So and even if 256 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: you don't want to want to makeup, that's cool too. 257 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: But I think it will kind of say this one 258 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: thing is feminists, this one thing isn't feminist. That's so 259 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: harmful and you have to kind of step back and 260 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: ask yourself how what we have learned could possibly be 261 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: harming us with others, and just where your makeup is, 262 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: like you know, or deciding that you're gonna you're gonna 263 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: present yourself in a certain way. It's a small way 264 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: of confronting patriarchy. I think. So what I'm hearing is 265 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: that we all need to come up with our new 266 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: brand of lip gloss, Smash the Patriarchy lip gloss, or 267 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: maybe that's the name of a color, the brightest Red 268 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: to be smashed the Patriarchy perfect. I love it all. Right, Well, 269 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: we'll be in contact about setting up our new cosmetic company, 270 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: and we're going to hear more from these fans plastic 271 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: ladies when we come right back from a quick break 272 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: in terms of self care and actually letting yourself enjoy 273 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: things that so many other people have said you shouldn't 274 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: enjoy this, Feminists don't enjoy this. I really think pop 275 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: culture is part of that, and you guys have actually 276 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: talked a lot about that in terms of loving pop culture, 277 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: talking about Drake adoring Beyonce's music videos. And so I 278 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: want to know a little bit more from you about 279 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: how that ties in with your concept of self care 280 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: and sort of escaping the day to day realities. Oh 281 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: that's complicated question, um, but I think it basically it 282 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: boils down to we all consume problematic media and you 283 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: have to learn how to do that and not drive 284 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: yourself crazy. And I think we've we've had this conversation 285 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: on the show before. And for me, you know, watching 286 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: something like give an example, like How to get Away 287 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: with Murder and seeing Viola Davis as this beautiful, capable, desirable, 288 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: flawed person, it's like the greatest escape ever because that 289 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: never happens. And Yeah, I think for me, I just 290 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: refused to deny myself pleasure. So I feel like I've 291 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: done that for so long. At a certain point, I 292 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: was just like, no, I'm gonna enjoying myself. I don't know. 293 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm not hurting anyone. All I'm doing is enjoying myself, 294 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: and in turn, I'm a much more pleasurable person to 295 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: be around. And I'm enjoying myself, So yeah, I'm being Also, 296 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean, as far as like reality, I cannot escape 297 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: my reality. I don't think anything like as a woman, 298 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: as a black woman. My reality it's inescapable, and so 299 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: I don't need to be constantly watching the news or 300 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: reading or reading you know, textbooks, flow theory in order 301 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: to stay connected or stay grounded with who who I am, 302 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: who my reality is. It's okay to enjoy myself. And 303 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: I love watching other I love watching you know, I 304 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: love reading gossip. I'll admit I love reading gossip. I 305 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: love watching track TV. I love listening to music and 306 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: dancing in my underwrack. It's it's just who I am, 307 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: and I think I'm not. There's no really to feel 308 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: guilty for that. And a lot of times I gravitate 309 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: towards I gravitate mostly towards, uh, you know, music and 310 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: TV because I can see people who look like me, 311 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: especially within music, and I can see people who I 312 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: relate to, like on you know, an emotional level through 313 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: TV and through music. So I think it's a case 314 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: for everyone. I don't I don't understand people who don't 315 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: engage in pop culture and like why not? It's so 316 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: awesome and you can, like you can see yourself reflected. 317 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: And who doesn't want who doesn't want that? It's like 318 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: just to be real, like if it doesn't want to 319 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: see themselves respected within the world. So yeah, that's how 320 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: I just how I just I justify it, aguess, but 321 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: just not denying myself pleasure and just you know, enjoying myself. 322 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: And let's be honest with people that you know, tell 323 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: you that they don't watch TV or they don't go 324 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: to the movies because they think they're better than that, 325 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: And why don't you just go to a museum? Are 326 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: forgetting the fact that all the art that's hanging up 327 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: in the museums were the pop culture of their time. Yeah, 328 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: and also like we can do all of these things, 329 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: like we're not it doesn't mean we're at home we're 330 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: just watching TV and we're refusing to actually like some 331 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: inside our homes in person culture, we can do all 332 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: of these things. It's just I don't people just really 333 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: come down on TV and the things that I think 334 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: women specifically like, and it's just it's still played out. 335 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: But to lose alone les enjoy ourselves. You're saying women 336 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: can be complex and enjoy all sorts of things that 337 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: sometimes don't all match up and make sense. Yeah, I 338 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: mean it's an amazing concept. I wild this wild stuff 339 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about today. I'm just gonna get groundbreaking conversation. 340 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: But I think I also think part of it is 341 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: like this is the last taboo, at least at my family, 342 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: because I don't fight with I don't go to Thanksgiving 343 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: in fight with my family about like you know, laws 344 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: or gay marriage or you know, my rights as a 345 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: black woman or police brutality. Because we all agree on 346 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: these things we told a grant are things like how 347 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: do you feel about Beyonce? How do you feel about 348 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: the humanage? Respectability? Politics is like the less big hurdle 349 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: in my family that I'm trying to get everybody pass. Yeah. 350 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: I think that's the same for me. Yeah, that you've 351 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: got a according to some ephemeral rules that you have 352 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: to dress a certain way. You know, my mother is 353 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: big on pearls. Get over at Mom. I'm not wearing 354 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: Pearls always that he at pearl debate. Yeah, the heated 355 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: Pearl's bait every year. Well, and part of it's weird 356 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: because I do, you know, dress how I dress, and 357 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: everybody's okay with it, and that just happens to be 358 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: how I, you know, feel good about myself. Unfortunately, nobody's 359 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: tassling me about it. But me doing my thing doesn't 360 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: mean that Nicki Minaj has to do my thing, or 361 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: Beyonce has to do my thing, or that I can't 362 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: enjoy their things. Yea, let women be the modey, letting 363 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: women govern themselves. Ye Speaking of how to dress and Beyonce, 364 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: one of at least for me, one of the most 365 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: disappointing things that we have experienced with our podcast audience 366 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: was after we did an episode on Beyonce's feminism. We 367 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: heard from not an overwhelming amount of people, but enough 368 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: people that it was troubling who said Beyonce can't be 369 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: a feminist role model because she dresses and dances too sexily. 370 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: And it was so disheartening because I mean, on so 371 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: many levels. So do you have any any insight to 372 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: help help unpack why why those two can co exist? Well, 373 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: here's the thing. What it comes down to is, at 374 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: least right now, the current culture, you can't slutch hamp 375 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: anybody except for women of color, except for black women specifically. 376 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: You can slutch him that as much do you want. Apparently, 377 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: I think um a lot of it just I think 378 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: Beyonce touch is so much flack. And I'm gonna straight 379 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: up say, I'm like, I'm a huge Beyonce stand I 380 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: have been since I was a teenager. Um, and so 381 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: I am very biased towards Queen Bee. But I think 382 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the people just don't want to see 383 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: a black woman thriving to the expit that Beyonce is thriving. 384 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: I think, um, Beyonce, the way she presents to herself 385 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: and the way she dances, in a way she conveys 386 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: herself through her lyrics is not very different from say 387 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: the the white pop stars up today. But I'm always 388 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: sid dying when people comfort Beyonce. Meanwhile, you have sailing 389 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: a Lady Gaga or I don't know whoever the white 390 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: pop stars are. I admittedly do not follow them, but 391 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: whoever they are, the criticism it's never equal, and so 392 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: I think people really have to confront their feelings about 393 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: black women first of all, before you can even start 394 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: to accept Beyonce as her own person. Yeah, I mean, 395 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: if it comes down to, what's the thing and there's 396 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: a magazine that's coming out now or is coming out 397 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: soon about Miley Cyrus and how how it's still wonderful 398 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: that Miley Cyrus is exploring her sexuality and identifying herself 399 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: as sort of pan sexual and under fluid and all 400 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: of this other business. But you know, but Nicki Ben 401 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: is just a slut right, and it's things It's so 402 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: reductive and just like stupid when you hear these arguments, 403 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: because you're like, you can they bring out all the 404 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: feminist buzzwords for a Mody Cyrus or a Taylor Swift 405 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: and these keeps and these two people just as an example, 406 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: or a Katie Perry, you can still they but studying Beyonce. 407 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: So it's weird for them to like hold these people 408 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: up as an example of feminity done the right way 409 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: when they're taking cues from Beyonce. But also I think 410 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: as far as the whole feminist conversaking, those I had 411 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: to disengage because I was just still like infuriating, just 412 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: as a black woman is and as a Beyonce stand 413 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: the constantly going to be like you're a whole thing. 414 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: So I think people could have had to reevaluate what 415 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: they consider feminists and where they're Feminism stance stems from 416 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of women of color, and 417 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: I said earlier femine as them as a verb. It 418 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: was learned by We learned and by from our mothers 419 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: and our grandmothers and our our aunts and other women 420 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: in our lives. And it wasn't something we had to 421 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: go to, you know, academia to learn. It was something 422 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: that was ingrained into us within our communities. And I 423 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: think a lot of people gravitate towards Beyonce because she's 424 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: been able to She's been able to show that throughout 425 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: her music. So she's always had these really like pro 426 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: women's stance stances and her music, even with Destiny's Child, 427 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: and she's always talked about how her mom sold all 428 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: these things into her, and so it's so relatable when 429 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: you step outside of whatever you're holding it against black 430 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: women and you can and you just take the message 431 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: for what it is, and the message is empowerment. It's 432 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: you don't need a man to be successful. It's cool 433 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: if you have one. Love is awesome, but I could 434 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: be just as awesome without this man. Or you don't 435 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: have to. You don't have to be career focused all 436 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: the time. You can have a baby and with all 437 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: your heart, and you can be a mom and still 438 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: be and still be focused on you know, your career 439 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: if you want to. You can er wise, it was awesome, 440 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: and still be a feminist, still be a mom, and 441 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: still be a mobile. But you can do all of 442 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: these things. And I just don't see. I just don't 443 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: see how people can reduce that too. Well, she has 444 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: her butt out again, but's awesome if I had that, 445 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: but I'd have it out. I'll date you. Just be reasonable, 446 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: I know, right. Yeah, Like our new our new work 447 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: dress code is no pants, but I mean that can 448 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: be the dress code and podcasting, I guess. Yeah, who's 449 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: to say whether we all are wearing our dress code 450 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 1: is usually cats. That's wonderful. Yeah, Well, I feel like 451 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: this Beyonce conversation actually relates directly to um something we 452 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about in terms of the conversation on 453 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: black girls talking about the saw women hashtag and that 454 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: tendency of white feminists in particular to exercise some double standards, 455 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot of erasures and tokenizing of black women's lived 456 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: experiences and values. And as a white feminist who has 457 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: likely been guilty of one or all of these kinds 458 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: of things, how do I improve my intersectionality? And is 459 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: me even asking this question part of the problem? Um? 460 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: I think I'm okay, I'll just real talk. I'm whenever 461 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter and I'm just kind of making jokes 462 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: or maybe I'm having like point discussions, which lately isn't 463 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: really the case for me on Twitter right now it's 464 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: just skincare and my obsession with dirtbag rappers. But normally 465 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: whenever I'm trying to have a good conversation and soon 466 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: interrupts and they're like, well, how can I And I'm 467 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: just like, oh God, please don't like, please just google 468 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: and come back to this conversation. But I also think 469 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: that at some point you're gonna we do have to 470 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: not hand hold not like hold hands with you know, 471 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: white them, inocent guide them. But I think we do 472 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: have to be somewhat open to creating this dialogue for 473 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: people who are actively trying to be better. So I'll 474 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: send it so for me, the most I can do, Uh, 475 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm best at is sending people resources so 476 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: you know, you can read these books or you can 477 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: read these blogs or that's that's how I engage with that. 478 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: I think you're really in Remove and Fatima are a 479 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: lot more engaging or as I'm just like just you know, 480 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: here's some stuff for you to read. But I do 481 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: think it's I don't so I don't think it's an 482 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: issue that you're asking. I think it's this issue of 483 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: how you ask, Like if you're genuinely if you're genuinely 484 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: interested and you're not just trying to come up as 485 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, the good white feminists. If you're actually interested 486 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: and learn these things and you're taking the advice, then 487 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: that's it's great that you're asking. And I think the 488 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: best way for you to confront all the double standards 489 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: in mainstream feminism it's just to kind of like be 490 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: aware of your entitlement as your privilege as a white woman, 491 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: and that it's tough. It's really tough. I know, even 492 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: there's I have, there are privileges I hold even within 493 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: my community, and it's tough having to confront those before 494 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: I step into a conversation. But I think it has 495 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: to be at the forefeit of your mind is being 496 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: mindful of the space you might be taking up, and 497 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: being mindful of the voices you could be exulting in 498 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: favor of yours. Yeah, I think, Well, the easiest example 499 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: that I could I always give people when they asked 500 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: stuff like this is, you know, you think of society, 501 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: or you think of feminism as a house, and you 502 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: think of you know, the house has a you know, 503 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: basement foundation, you know, main floor, top floor, attic, roof, 504 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: all that kind of business. And the only and let's say, 505 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: this house is sinking. And that's because you know, the 506 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: foundation of this house isn't being nurtured, and the foundation 507 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: of this house isn't being cared for. And you can 508 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: add as many floors as you want, or fix up 509 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the house as much as you want, 510 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: that house is still going to sink if the foundation 511 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: is not right. So the only way to lift this 512 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: house is to lift the foundation. And so if you 513 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: think of those of us in society with the least 514 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: amount of privilege, and and and there's something that I 515 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: have to think about myself, because I get I hold privileges, 516 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: and I am totally open about that, and so when 517 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: these conversations come around, I don't try to insert myself 518 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: in conversations that aren't about me. But you know, you 519 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: try to lift the foundation as much as you can, 520 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: and you repair it and you nurture it and you 521 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: care for it, and that's the only way that this 522 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: house is going to get back to where it needs 523 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: to be and be sturdy and be strong and hold 524 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: up for the next thousand years. Well, it sounds like 525 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: it's not the first time you've had to answer this 526 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: question too, so you've got some practice. And one thing 527 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: that came to my mind too is you're talking about 528 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: resources and checking privilege and all of that is what 529 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: you all said earlier of feminism and feminists. Excuse me 530 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: is a verb, so it requires action on our parts 531 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: and not just maybe sitting passively and raising our hand 532 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: and allowing someone else to do the work for us 533 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: in terms of telling us what to do. And then 534 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: when you have privileges, it's being a verb. Is also 535 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: using your privilege to help the situation, but not using 536 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: it to talk over the people that the conversation is about. 537 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: When the conversation is about somebody other than yourself. And 538 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: I think people here privilege, they automatically think that. I 539 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: think they're automatically try to guilt as if they should 540 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: feel guilty or like renounced their privilege, Like you can't. 541 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: You can there's no way to renounce the privilege. So 542 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: I think you have to, like I said, you just 543 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: have to be mindful of how this privilege makes your 544 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: life maybe easier than the next person's life. And yeah, 545 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: this you and figure out how you can level the 546 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: playing field as much as you can. So talking about 547 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: feeling guilty and kind of wallowing in that guilt and 548 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: apologizing this apologies really mean nothing. Action is what is 549 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: going Action, It's what we all need. Yep. Yeah, So, 550 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, your answer to Christen's question about the s 551 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: al women hashtag and intersectionality really made me think about 552 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: your conversation with Janet Mack, which is fascinating and I 553 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: was absolutely hanging on every word of that episode. Um, 554 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: but you know, you guys touched on that concept of 555 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: the hand holding of white feminists. But so that being said, 556 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: do your personal desires to have your voices heard and 557 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: have your creative work recognized, do those feel overshadowed by 558 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: expectations to represent and answer for your culture at large. 559 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: I'd say absolutely not. I've made it pretty clear that 560 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: I live my life for myself and I do my 561 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: work for myself when it's personal work. I think, yeah, 562 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: we're not a monolith. We're all very complex people. I 563 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 1: think it's just like, you know, it's kind of like 564 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: when the man we're gonna go to this a group 565 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: of woman and be like, why do you guys do this? 566 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: Like it's no one can give you a concrete answer, 567 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: Like we're all we're all individuals. And I think, um, 568 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: maybe a lot. I did a lot of people their 569 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: ideas of blacks are formed by what we see in 570 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: the media and on TV, and as always like this 571 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: very it's it's either, you know, it's either Love and 572 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: Hip Hop or the Tyler Perry Show. So I just 573 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: know in between that people are confused that they don't 574 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: actually know black people. Um So I think the best 575 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: thing I can do is just be Alicia, And the 576 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: best thing anybody else can do is just be themselves 577 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: and not trying to answer for everyone else for the 578 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: entire race. You can't do it. You will kill yourself 579 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: trying to be responsible and accountable for every Black experience, 580 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,919 Speaker 1: Like I like, even like, what is the black experience? 581 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's so vast. So I think for us, 582 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: we're just focused on being true to ourselves and putting 583 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: that out into the universe. And sometimes people wanted to talk. 584 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes people want to talk about you know, the whatever 585 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: the hot topic is on Twitter or you know, black Twitter, 586 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: and sometimes we're just like, well, but we want to 587 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: talk about this or this is what's happening in our lives. 588 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: So the best thing you can do is just create 589 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: your own narrative. And that's what we're trying to do. Yeah. Absolutely, 590 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: And you know what, you know, the old respectability politics 591 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: saying that pops back up as like, well you have 592 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: to represent everybody because if somebody sees you, they're going 593 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: to think that all black folks act like that, and 594 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: well that's their problem. That's not your problem, exactly, not 595 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: my problem. If you somebody is a racist, that's not 596 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: my problem. Yeah. Me tweeting Bible quotes all day is 597 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: not going to change your racist opinion of what, you know, 598 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: who a black woman is. So I know the day, 599 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: it just makes you serve to be well, I like 600 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: you because you're good. I'm an issue of exceptionalism. Yeah right, 601 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna be treating myself. That's the tweet 602 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: about how how cute Drake is. And maybe sometimes I'll 603 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: tweet about how awful racism is. But I'm never going 604 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: to put myself in a box because other people might 605 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: be watching, like that's just no way for anyone to live. 606 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: M I don't live in a zoo. I live in 607 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: my life exactly. And from where Caroline and I are sitting, 608 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: recognizing and checking the white privilege that fosters that kind 609 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: of exceptionalism and doing our part to not feed into 610 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: that and to feed into your respectability politics is important 611 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, yeah, for sure, that's definitely part of 612 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: the work. And I think I know it can be. 613 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: There's so ability politics, it's so like ingrained into the 614 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: black community, so as the outsider looking in, it can 615 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: just look like like where do I even start? And 616 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: it's okay to not know what's going on because it's 617 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: not part of your culture, you know. But I think 618 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: you just have to be mindful that there may be 619 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: struggles you're not going to understand, but you can still 620 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: respond to them in a respectful way, or don't if 621 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: you don't feel like you can't like, yeah, it's okay, 622 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: did not say anything? Yeah, for sure. I think there's 623 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: so many things that we can know. We were just like, well, 624 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: we don't know, so we just kind of don't. We 625 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: don't address them, or we educate ourselves, or we get 626 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: somebody else to come in and speak on their experiences. 627 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, if you there are so many things that 628 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: I just don't get that are currently going on in 629 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: the world. But being a human, I can empathize and 630 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: I can understand that maybe it's just not my place 631 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: to know. Do you get a lot because you guys 632 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: have such an amazing podcast in your voices are also unique. 633 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: Do you get a lot of that from people being like, well, 634 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: but I need you to explain I need you to 635 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: explain black women to me, Like do you get tell you? 636 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: But that's that's we we made we we we made sure. 637 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: That's yeah. I think we've been. I love that we've been. 638 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: Like we're all like, we're all being pretty cool people. 639 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: I think we're all very like open and accessible at 640 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: least you know online, and we're not like very scand 641 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: office put the buck out we all kind of close 642 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: in rnks, like this is not a podcast for you, 643 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: my friend, Like it's okay for you to move on, 644 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: It's okay. Well, And this also drives home to the 645 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: importance of learning how to listen without necessarily needing to 646 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: respond and black girls talking. I mean, it's why everyone 647 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: should listen to black girls talking because it will teach 648 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: you of anything, how to listen. Just sit and listen, 649 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: put your headphones on, at least from where I'm sitting. Yeah, 650 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: maybe it's just me. That's all we ask anybody to do, 651 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: is you know, sit and subscribe and listen. Yeah, put 652 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: on your caftan, listen to the show. Even nice cold 653 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: glass of moscato. Perfect. I want to be there right now, 654 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: like out on out on a porch with some moscato 655 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: and a caftan. Yeah, listening to you all where Golden 656 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: Girls two point out? Oh yeah, that may have been 657 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: a question that we answered on the podcast Old Girl 658 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: We Eat for which one? Well, since you're here, I mean, 659 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: what were your answers? I was a mix between Sophia 660 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: and uh blanch we were all blanch all. I was 661 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: Sophia because of my apprehension towards the youth, we were 662 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: all blanch and nobody was Rose. Nobody was ro Rose. 663 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: But there's probably a Rose listening, and she's so confused 664 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: right now. We love you Rose, mean we did truly 665 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 1: love you. Rose. Bring so much sunshine to this world? 666 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: So what is next for black girls talking? And what 667 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: are you getting? A TV? Show? Because I love listening 668 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: to somebody wants to give us one. Whenever somebody wants 669 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: to give us one, we are ready for it. Oprah? 670 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: Are you out there? Were ready? I asked out every day? 671 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: Oh are you out there? Are you there? Oprah? It's me, 672 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: Christian's me? You guys follow Ober on Instagram? Do we? 673 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's great. Oh my gosh, I'm 674 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: clearly not living my best life. It's so soothing to 675 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: watch her in her garden and she makes videos where 676 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: she's like holding ahead of Lettuce. It's awesome. I do 677 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: follow the oh magazine Pinterest, which is like the epitome 678 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: of um, what's the word aspirational living? Like? Please, Opra, 679 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: give me more quotes to live by? Yes? I follow 680 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: Oper on Instagram, on Twitter and on in Interest's just wonderful. Yeah, 681 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: So where can listeners go to learn more about Black 682 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: Girls Talking to listen to read what you're reading, follow 683 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,720 Speaker 1: what you're following, learn about all of you. Wonderful host 684 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: all that good stuff Black Girls Talking dot com that 685 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: has links to everything. Yeah, and if you go to 686 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: our Twitter specifically, you can find all of our Twitter feeds. 687 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: So if you go to it's be Okay Girls Talking, 688 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 1: that's our Twitter handle, and you'll be able to find 689 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: all of us on Twitter through that one handle. Yeah, 690 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: and subscribe to the podcast. That's how you don't miss anything. 691 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: So if you have an eyeball on our iTunes, subscribe 692 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: to iTunes. If you don't, um stitcher or sound club. Yeah, 693 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: and that's all. All those links are on Black Girls 694 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: Talking dot com. So I just want to say thank 695 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,720 Speaker 1: you so much to Alicia and Aurelia from Black Girls Talking. 696 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: If you want to hear more about them or learn 697 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: more about their podcast, just head on over to black 698 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: Girls Talking dot com. And we want to hear from you. Now, 699 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: what did you think about our conversation with these women 700 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,919 Speaker 1: and the things that we talked about today. Where we're 701 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: really interested in hearing from you. You can email us 702 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: at mom stuff at how stuff works dot com. You 703 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: can tweet us at mom Stuff podcast or message us 704 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: on Facebook, and we have a couple of messages to 705 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: share with you. All right now, Well, I have a 706 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: letter here from Pearl in response to our Women on 707 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: the ten Dollar Bill episode, our ten dollar Women episode. 708 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: She says, I'm a huge fan of your podcast and 709 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 1: was really excited to listen to the episode about women 710 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: on the ten dollar Bill. I agree that the current 711 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 1: proposal is not nearly good enough and that a woman 712 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: should be featured alone on the twenty I appreciated hearing 713 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: about the numerous options of very qualified women to grace 714 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: the redesign note, but there was one woman who wasn't 715 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: mentioned who deserves consideration. Francis Perkins. In addition to being 716 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: the nation's first female member of a presidential cabinet, late 717 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: Labor Secretary Perkins did more for working Americans than any 718 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: other person in the nation's history. Before joining FDRs cabinet, 719 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: Perkins was a tireless advocate for working people in New 720 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 1: York State and saw firsthand the horrible working conditions that 721 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: many workers, especially women, faced in factories. When she personally 722 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,399 Speaker 1: witnessed the horrors of the Triangle shirt waste factory fire 723 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: from the streets below. She fought hard for the creation 724 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: of a minimum wage an unemployment insurance program, as well 725 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: has developed some of the nation's first child labor laws. 726 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,560 Speaker 1: As Labor Secretary, she practically built FDR's New Deal and 727 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: worked to create the first social safety net in the country. 728 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: Social Security Secretary perkins work has touched the lives of 729 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: pretty much every American, and she is well worthy of 730 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: a place on currency. Secretary Perkins is a hero of 731 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: mine for many reasons, several of which have already described. 732 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: She also did something that holds a special place in 733 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: my heart. She fought in court to keep her name 734 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: when she was married as a fellow kept her name 735 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: when she married Lady. That act made me feel that 736 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: we would have been great friends had we been alive 737 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: at the same time. And as a fourth generation union 738 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: member who works for a union, her victories for working 739 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 1: people will always make me think of her as one 740 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,839 Speaker 1: of our greatest Americans. If you'd like to read more 741 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: about Secretary perkins life and work, I highly recommend Kristin 742 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: Downey's biography, The Woman Behind the New Deal. Thanks for 743 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: all your great work on the podcast, and who knows, 744 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: maybe Sminthy could show Francis Perkinson podcasting Love Well Pearl. 745 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: I think that sounds like a great idea. And speaking 746 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: of recommendations, we've got a letter here from Fiona in 747 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: response to her Impresses of Science Fiction episode. She says, 748 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: I've finally gotten around to listening to the impasses of 749 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 1: science fiction, which is awesome. I'm writing because I've fallen 750 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: in love with a wonderful novel, Midnight Robber by Naylo Hockinson. 751 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: It's a far future story of interplanetary travel and artificially 752 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: intelligent nanotech, but it's grounded in Caribbean dialect and the 753 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: structure of a Nazi stories i e. West African and 754 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: Caribbean folk tales. It's also deeply feminist, not in the 755 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: sense of having a political agenda, but in the sense 756 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,240 Speaker 1: of unapologetically and unflinchingly exploring the experience of a woman 757 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: living in a difficult world. If I wasn't busy evangelizing 758 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: about Midnight Robber, I'd also be shouting from the rooftops 759 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: about two other awesome novels. Station eleven by Emily Saint 760 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: John Mandel explores the impact of a devastating pandemic on 761 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: individuals and on culture. The Fifteen Lives of Harry August 762 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 1: by Claire North is easily the most interesting and fresh 763 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: take on time travel that I've ever come across. Both 764 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: are great reads and definitely a bit of a quicker 765 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: read than Midnight Robber for anyone who finds Hopkinson's Caribbean 766 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: English difficult to follow. Thank you for a great episode 767 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 1: time for me to comb through your list and decide 768 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,400 Speaker 1: what's next for me. So thank you, Fienna, and thanks 769 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: to everyone for writing in. We love hearing from you. 770 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: For links to all of our social media and to 771 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,479 Speaker 1: our sources so you can follow along. Visit stuff Mom 772 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: Never Told You dot com for more on this and 773 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: thousands of other topics. Doesn't how stuff Works dot com