1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Alright, what's up, guys and girls. This is Mark Kenyon 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: of Wired Hunt and you're here for what I believe 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: is our fifth episode of Wired Hunt's Rut Radio and 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: with me is our producer Spencer new Hearth Hi doon Man. Good. Uh. 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Excited to see the photos that you had from Ohio there? Yeah, yeah, 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: maya my rut excitement finally turned on. I finally had 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: something good happened during the rut um and filled the 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: tagon Ohio. So that was exciting. I It's been kind 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: of a grind this past three weeks or so really 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: since we started recording this little mini series. I've been 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: hunting every single possible day I could, and lots of 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: close calls as you know, but just couldn't quite close 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: a deal till till this past Sunday. So how good 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: do you think the dear activity was there when when 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: you were in Ohio? Because talking to my context this week, 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: it's like the best of times and it's the worst 17 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: of times because lockdown might be upon it. So what 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: did you see in Ohio? Yeah? I would say that's 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: That's what I was experiencing, was that worst of times. Um, 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: it was deathly, deathly slow. Um. I hunted five full days, um, 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: and four and a half of those days, you know, 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: hunting the entire day, every hour of the daylight was 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: just dead. I mean I was seeing like two deer 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: a day, you know, in twelve hours, I see two 25 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: total deer, three total deer, a spike, a forky yearling dough. Um. 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: It was really really tough. UM. No chasing, no real cruising. 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: I think I saw I saw two bucks that were 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: two or three years old, maybe um, off in the 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: distance the first day and the second day, um, and 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: they were kind of cruising, I guess. But that was 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: basically the extent of the running activity I saw until 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: that very last night, when I finally did see a 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: buck on a dough and was able to call him 34 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: in to my decoy actually and kill him over a decoy. 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: So that was cool, um. But it was one of 36 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: the situations where you just had to just power through it, 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: just grind through the slow times, and I just kept 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: telling myself it can change in any second if you 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: just stay out here. It's the rut, it can change anytime. 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: And uh, finally it did one thing that I didn't 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: discuss it all with any of the context this week 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: was the moon situation. We had the supermoon here, um, 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and I'm curious if you noticed anything with that. You know, 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I went out hunting this morning and we're past the 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: supermoon now, but the moon was so bright, like I 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: had a definitive crisp shadow on the ground and it 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: was crazy like it it was really eye opening that 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: those deer could move all night super efficiently. Did you 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: notice anything in Ohio that might have been moon related? 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Um, I've heard so many 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: different theories on the moon. You know, there's the there's 52 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: the one theory that says during the full moon there's 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: gonna be less daylight movement because of what you just said, 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: because it's so bright at night. You know, they'll move 55 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: more in the daylight and bed down, or they move 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: more at night bed down during the day light. Then 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other guys who say that's complete hogwash. 58 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Mark Drewry's one guy who says that's completely 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: not true. He thinks that the very best movement every 60 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: year or every month is around the full moon. The 61 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: few days living up to the full moon he believes 62 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: are going to be great for evening activity a few 63 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: days after the full moon. Who believes our best for 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: morning activity? UM? So, I don't know. I don't know 65 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: what's what's what, but I kind of try to pay 66 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: attention to it to see if I can correlate any 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: of my own observations to those kinds of theories. But 68 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: at this point, I think, UM, I don't know if 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: necessarily have any real profound UM I guess realizations. So 70 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. That maybe could have been why the 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: movement was slow, but I think more likely it was 72 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: just that lockdown period UM had really put a lot 73 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: of those bigger deer down with dose. There was some 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: increased hunting pressure around our property to UM different than 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: other years that I wonder if maybe just had a 76 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: general negative impact on deer movement. UM. So, those are 77 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: a couple of things that I think maybe influence what 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I was seeing. But from a lot of guys I'm hearing, 79 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: it does seem like that lockdown is happening for a 80 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: lot of people. And I think in that kind of situation, 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: at least from my perspective, you need to go into 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: those hunts knowing that it's going to be relatively slower, 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: that you'd like it to be during the run. You know, 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of dead time, But like 85 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: I said, it can change in a flash. I mean, 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: those bucks are going to be coming off of doze 87 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: every once in a while and they're gonna be looking 88 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: for new ones. And you just need to be out 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: there and already when that big boy does roll through. 90 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: If you're too busy bumming out or playing on your 91 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: cell phone or whatever and you're not paying attention when 92 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: that one opportunity does show up, well then there goes 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: your whole season or your trip or whatever it might be. 94 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: So I think my big takeaway for this time of 95 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: year is just to try to stay focused, try to 96 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: stay positive, because eventually good things should happen. Yeah, you know, 97 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: the reports this week sounded very similar to like what 98 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: we were hearing in I don't know, mid October. You know, 99 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: it can be great, Like I think somebody told me 100 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: it was an in entertain and then the next person 101 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: told me it was like a three or four, And 102 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: so I just gotta be out there, you know, I guess, 103 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: And it could switch at any time. Yeah. Yeah, Now 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: what about you, what kind of rut activity have you seen? 105 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: In South Dakota. So I'm in the Black Hills right now, 106 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: which is the very western part of South Dakota. It's 107 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: it's very different white tail hunting here because you're in 108 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: like what is typical elk country, and so there's a 109 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: lot of white tails, um, but they do act slightly different. 110 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: There's not much for agriculture here, and so the food 111 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: sources are sporadic and stuff like that, and signmaking is sporadic. 112 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: They don't do much for scrapes and rubs. But the 113 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: bucks that I have been seeing have been chasing really hard. 114 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: And I think with this cold front coming, uh, it's 115 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna get really really good. And then I'm just 116 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: imagining beyond that it's gonna like fall off the table lockdown. 117 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: If it's not already here. It's definitely this time of year, 118 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: give or take a few days or a week or so, 119 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: around most parts of the country, you're gonna start to 120 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: see that kind of thing happening. Peak breeding tends to 121 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: peak around this this part of the month for at 122 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: least the northern half or two thirds of the country. Yeah, 123 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: and you'll hear some of that on on our podcast 124 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: this week. We have a variety of reports, and we 125 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: started off with Ron Spolmer with Winchester's World of white 126 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: Tail and he has a report from Idaho, and then 127 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: John Armand of North Dakota with Ultimate Outdoor Adventures TV. 128 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: And then we go to Wisconsin and talk to Derrick 129 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: Nelson from Matthews Archery, and then we have Matt Jury 130 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: and Missouri from Drewy Outdoors. Nice. All right? Well, uh 131 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: should we should we quit beating around the bush and 132 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: just get to these reports? Yeah? Definitely, between you and 133 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: a couple of our contexts. This week there was a 134 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: lot of inches of antler that hit the ground. Nice. Well, 135 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear about it. All right, have a 136 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: good old mark you too. But quickly before we get 137 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: to our first update. As all Weired podcast are, this 138 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: episode is brought to you by Sitka Gear. If you'd 139 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: like to learn more about Sitka Gears technical hunting apparel, 140 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: you can visit Sitka gear dot com. And now onto 141 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: the show, all right, Enjoining me on the line first 142 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: is Ron Spomer, freelance writer and photographer, and you can 143 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: find his work at Ron Spomer Outdoors dot com. Ron 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: is that address correct? Yeah, that's it. Ron schomer outdoors 145 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: dot com. They can also find my YouTube channel just 146 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: like the Ron's Bomer Outdoors on YouTube. And let's they 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: look up phone apps. I've got one called Everything white 148 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: Tail and it is literally everything about white tails, firearm 149 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: and recoil levels, trajectory, realistic, you name it. If a 150 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: white tail is that, it's in there. Sure. Well here's 151 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: something white tails that we have not talked about you 152 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: in the podcast, and that's the very western white tails 153 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: like in Idaho. So on a scale of one to ten, 154 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been there recently? Well, 155 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's a little bit. It's slow. The weather 156 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: has been extraordinarily warm, haven't even had a frost yet. 157 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: So I observed two bucks showing some routing activity. One 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: was a good three year old four by four and 159 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: he gave the bums rush to a couple of dos, 160 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: pushed some otoesome cover and then lipt girls. So he 161 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: was trying, but I kind of expect that from a 162 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: younger buck. The older buck I saw, and this was 163 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: a good spot to five year old bucks from what 164 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: I could tell, had him in this bonding scope a 165 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: pretty eye power. He was a five by five with 166 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: an extra point off of one time. So it was 167 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: a beautiful one fifty one sixty class buck and he 168 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: was not showing any interest in the doves. There was 169 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: a dough close to him with a fawn and he 170 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: was just proposing a little bit snooping around. Now, he 171 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: may have been working that dough in some brush before 172 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: I saw him. I had for about a minute in 173 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: an opening at about nine hundred yards, and then he 174 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: disappeared into the brush and never came out again all morning. 175 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: And there were those in the area, so I'm thinking 176 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: if he'd have been running, he'd have been after those doughs. 177 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: So would you say the rut is a little bit 178 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: later than this year. Yeah, you know, the ruts are 179 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: always determined by the sun, but I think it gets 180 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: influenced by a few days based on the temperature. I'm 181 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: not one of the guys just as well. I'm waiting 182 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: for cool snap for the rug to start, because that's 183 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: just set off by the by the sun and the 184 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: daylight hours. So around the tents through the fifteenth of 185 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: Novembers will not usually see the bucks end of the 186 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: chase phase when that first dough comes into eat and 187 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: it really start getting after him. Then the main breeding 188 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: I think happens from about the fifteenth through Thanksgiving, and 189 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: after that it starts to taper off pretty quickly, so 190 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: they could break any time. Sure, And so are you 191 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: still seeing some signmaking? And you know, are they still 192 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: active with scrapes and rubs right now? We're not. I 193 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I never saw a single scrape or rub. 194 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: It's not unusual where I huh um, he's Idaho mountain 195 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: deer are not as quite as traditional as down at 196 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: home deer you're used to do in the Plain States. 197 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: For instance, in the Midwest, they will often migrate several 198 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: river valleys in winter, the moss the mountains and across 199 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: a valley that go up the next mountain drop into 200 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: the next valley. So that usually happens when the snow 201 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: gets during the rut. So even if they're scrape they 202 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: might not be in their territory. Didn't do anything about 203 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: that's great. So I'm generally just glass hunting, as if 204 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: I were looking, you will do. I'm not really paying 205 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: it that much attention to sign. But along the logging 206 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: roads and things where I was hiking, and I was 207 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: doing about three miles a day down in these canyons. 208 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: I never saw a single rub or a single scrape. 209 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: And so if you don't get that traditional signmaking, what 210 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: about for your traditional calling, you're grunting, rattling stuff like that. 211 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: Is is that in play in Idaho? Yeah, I've had 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: good luck rattling bucks up here, grunting and all the 213 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: rest of them. It's just you can't depend on territorial 214 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: signs necessarily to locate them. Now. They're probably is some 215 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: on the other side of the canyon where this really 216 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: big buck was, because it was a really dense cover area, 217 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: and I see big bucks over there every year. I've 218 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: been hunting this place for about five or six years, 219 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: and I know it's a good hot area, but it's 220 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: a real difficult place to get into because it's so 221 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: steep and rocky all around it. You have to make 222 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: a major climb down one side of the canyon five 223 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: feet at the bottom across the creek, and then go 224 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: up the other side almost to the top. So I 225 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: don't go over there unless I've really got a feeling 226 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: I can get a drop on a bucket because it 227 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: covers so thick, So I usually wait until that ruts broken. 228 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: If I were going out there this weekend. I would 229 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: cross over there and rattle on it that I could 230 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: get that guy in. I could have probably gotten him 231 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: this weekend with a rattle because he's looking for something 232 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: to do in the doad weren't ready yet, but I 233 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: didn't have enough time to cross that canyon. I had 234 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: to get out of there. My hunt was over in 235 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: two hours, so it would have taken me three hours 236 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: just to get to him. Sus it sounds like you 237 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: think the best hunting is yet to come that area. 238 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, what do you 239 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: think the buck activity will be there in this coming 240 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: week boy, I think by this weekend it's going to 241 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: be pushing nine. I would be surprised if it wasn't. 242 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: I would definitely get up there to Hottie if I 243 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: weren't having to go to Nebraska for another hunt right now. Sure, well, 244 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: I I hope you can get back there in time 245 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: and maybe catch some of that action. So thanks for 246 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: joining me on the phone. Run hey, my pleasure. Good 247 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: luck with your hands and joining us on the line. 248 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: Next is John Armand of Ultimate Outdoor Adventures TV. Now, John, 249 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: I've seen on the Facebook page your team has had 250 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: an incredible last week on a scale of one to ten. 251 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: What do you think the bucket activity has been then? 252 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: And would you tell us about those hunts? Yeah, I 253 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: would say that you know, we have we were hunting 254 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: south central North Dakota and on our place, UM, I 255 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: would say our buck activity was probably a seven UM 256 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: to and a nine UM. We have. Our place consists 257 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: of big draws um some river bottoms, and it seems 258 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: even with the above average temperature UM our bucks were 259 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: cruising pretty much all day long. And my other team 260 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: member who was east about two hundred miles on some 261 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: flat ground, would probably put his buck activity at a 262 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: two UM. He said it's probably the worst he's ever seen. 263 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: The rut activity, he said, a few smaller bucks that 264 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: were sniffing around, but all the big boys he had 265 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: on camera, he was still getting on camera, but it 266 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: wasn't seeing any rut activity whatsoever. The deer he ended 267 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: up taking UM a hundred five by five UM was 268 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: actually chasing the dough and that's how he killed it. 269 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: But he said it was kind of slow out east. 270 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: And so you saying it's, you know, like a nine, 271 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: and your buddy saying it's a two. What do you 272 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: think the big differences there on on why the such 273 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: a great variation. You know, the only thing I can 274 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: think of was that, know, we're fortunate where we the 275 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: property we have, we have these draws that they kind 276 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: of intertwined and connect um. So these deer can you know, 277 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: it seems like just cruising those areas, um, and they 278 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: feel pretty safe because they'll cross from draw to drop. 279 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: But it's not a long stretch of open country and 280 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: where he's at, he's pretty much flatland where it is 281 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: just um bare ground crop land and some slews. And 282 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, he said, unless he gets super um wound up, 283 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: he said, you just don't see a lot of the deer. 284 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: And he just said it was one of those things, 285 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: he said, he can't really explain. It's just one of 286 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: those um times that the activity um was not good 287 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: for him. And I was expecting him to tag out 288 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: right away because he had four or five mature deer 289 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: on camera that were on daylight hours. And again for us, 290 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: we we got lucky. We killed two deer that we 291 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: have not had on camera. Um. One of them we 292 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: haven't had on camera since last December, and um we've 293 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: killed them both in the same area on the river 294 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: bottom UM where they can kind of cruise UM. The 295 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: one stretch of woods that we have, it's um, you know, 296 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: kind of a bigger chunk. And we got both of 297 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: them in the same area, probably within um a couple 298 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: hundred yards of each other, and still hunting more of 299 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: your stereotypical pasture land. Like it sounds like that you're in. 300 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: What techniques are you using there this time of year, 301 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: if you're doing any calling, are you hunting over any 302 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: sign of what's going on there? Well, for us, what 303 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: we do is we sit on vantage points and just 304 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: in the areas that we've been hunting this piece of 305 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: property ours um, you know for thirty years, and we 306 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: know the food sources and the deer going out UM 307 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: in the evenings and going to these food sources and 308 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: then they come back in pretty much in the same areas. 309 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: And because we have these big draws UM, we just 310 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: sit advantage points and we're just looking for bucks cruising 311 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: and UM and then sometimes we'll catch them even if 312 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: they're locked down, we're able to spot them and make 313 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: our move on them. And the other gentleman out east 314 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: where it's really flat land, I'm kind of doing the 315 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: same thing, hunting some food sources and they can do 316 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: a little bit more calling and radeline. But again he 317 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of success up there with that. 318 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: But the report, I just talked to a buddy of mine, UM, 319 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: another team member who's um in between, you know, he's 320 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: probably a hundred fifty miles east of us, and he 321 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: said that yesterday that it seemed like they were at 322 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: activity for him, just turned on and they were struggling 323 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: the first week and a half also, And so what 324 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: about going forward here in this next week or so, 325 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: what do you think the Buck ACTV is going to 326 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: be then? On a scale of one to ten, well, 327 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna I think. Um, I'm hoping we're 328 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna be at a ten because we have a cold 329 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: snap coming in. It's us to drop um on Thursday evening, 330 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: Um all weekend. We'll have a chance of snow and 331 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: there's a front coming through and UM, I think that 332 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: could um. You know, he sings up quite a bit 333 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: just giving these um, these deer, you know, the conditions 334 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: they liked a little colder so they can be going 335 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: all day long. And from the activity that we've had, 336 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: it's been on a steady in plane. And for them 337 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: guys out east where it's been pretty dead, but now 338 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: they have bumped it up a notch. They're thinking that 339 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna be hitting it just right for the last 340 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: weekend of the season for rifle. Well, congrats on the 341 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: awesome last week. You've had John of Antler between three guys. 342 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's an incredible week of hunting. So we'll 343 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: stay in touch and thanks for your time. All right, buddy, 344 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: thank you and good luck to you guys all and 345 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: joining us on the line next is Derek Nelson, the 346 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: content manager for Matthews Archery. Now, Derek in Wisconsin, what 347 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: would you say the buck activity has been there on 348 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten um, I would have 349 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: to put it out about a six um as of 350 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: as of lately kind of the consensus. I've been talking 351 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: to a lot of the guys you know, HQ have 352 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: been hitting it really hard lately and um, you know, 353 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: sitting all day and really not seeing mature deer on 354 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: their feet. Um, for the most part, there's been you 355 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: know a good number of people who are still getting 356 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: nighttime photos of deer and seeing some younger bucks cruising 357 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: during the day. But for the most part, it's been 358 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: a slower rut. Um. It kind of seems like across 359 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: the board for a lot of the guys. And so 360 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: do you think that we're in lockdown right now? We're 361 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: we coming up on that, yet it certainly seems like it. Um. 362 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, just the fact that you know, when people 363 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: are seeing big deer, they're seeing them like pending a 364 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: dough and really not not moving around much. Um. And 365 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: you know that's obviously affecting. You know, it's a lot 366 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: of reason why people aren't seeing them moving around, you know, 367 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: when they when they do see them there, they're pretty 368 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: stationary and staying in a pretty small core area with 369 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: a dough. And you know, the bucks that we are 370 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: seeing are the small ones kind of bouncing around trying 371 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: to pick some off. But um, yeah, it's been it's 372 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: been pretty tough, right and in that area. You know, 373 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: if you think we are in the lockdown phase like 374 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: right now, how aggressive are guys? Are they still going 375 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: after these bucks harder? Are they taking a break for 376 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: a little bit and waiting for gun season to open? Um? Yeah, 377 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean most obviously, the most of the guys that 378 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm tight with and work with are 379 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: pretty aggressive and are trying to be getting out there 380 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: and fill this tag before gun season hits. Um. You know, 381 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, we've got one of the like like the 382 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: nation's largest militia on an opening day of rifle season. 383 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: So a lot of people are still trying to get 384 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: that tag filled before kind of the masses come out 385 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: and you know, a lot of good deer end up 386 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: getting shot. Um, But a lot of people, um, you 387 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: know that I've been tight with are really trying to 388 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: right as as close as they can get to some 389 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: dough betting areas too, you know, kind of up there 390 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: chances of catching one of those those you know, mature 391 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: bucks that's locked down with a dough in those areas. 392 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: And you know, we've we've had a couple of guys 393 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: have encounters, but it's definitely been down this year kind 394 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: of across the board, right. And so if the buck 395 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: activity is down right now, does the signmaking show that, like, 396 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: are the scrapes still active and still seeing robs that 397 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: are getting hit right now? Um? A lot of the 398 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: scrapes that have been pretty active for you know, for 399 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: most of the year have seemed to shut down in 400 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: the last you know, week and a half to two 401 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: weeks from what I've seen. UM, you know, I had 402 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: a one of my one of my good buddies had 403 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: you know, a scrape that he had like consistent mature 404 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: gear on um, you know up until, like I said, 405 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: a week and a half ago, and they've kind of disappeared. 406 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: In the last couple of weeks, He's had a few 407 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: a few bucks show up that he hadn't you know, 408 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: hasn't really seen it all the whole season. UM, and 409 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, just been cruising through, which is expected for 410 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: the rut. You know that it kind of always happens. 411 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: You have you have deer pop up that you've never 412 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: seen before. But um, most of the scrape activity and 413 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, rub activities kind of stimmered down the last week. 414 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: They kind of you know, shifted dot though there's so 415 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: many doughs and asters at this point in time that 416 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: they don't you know, kind of scrapes have lost their 417 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: importance um, and a lot of instances so definitely slowed down, 418 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: UM and stopped really counting on being able to haunt 419 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: a scrape line. Um, you know, picking up those deer 420 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: cruising so sure and So you guys who are you know, 421 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: pure archery coming up on gun season here, how do 422 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: your tactics then change and what do you see the 423 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: bucket activity you do? Then? Um, well, definitely it definitely 424 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: gets harder. Um. You know if you you know, we've 425 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: been experiencing that most of the mature deer are still 426 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: seeming to move, you know, pretty nocturnally, um, even as 427 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: of an out and that's only going to get obviously 428 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: worse when pressure, you know, like goes up exponentially in 429 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: the next week. Um, and most of us guys will 430 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: be out, you know, like I said, on the first 431 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: day a gun season with our bows still trying to 432 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: make it happen, which obviously stacks the odds not in 433 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: our favor. But um, you know, just kind of what 434 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: we love to do. And you know, every now and 435 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: then it comes together, so um, trying to play pressure. 436 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: There's a there's a you know, a handful of us 437 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: who will you know, have have private pieces that will 438 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: still be able to stay on you know, when gun 439 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: season opens, a few people who have properties that other 440 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: people gun hunt and they have to get off of. 441 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: And then a few others who you know try to 442 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: hunt public land, um, you know in Wisconsin on the 443 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: rifle opener, which always gets a little bit shady, but 444 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: you know, I can also come up with some pretty 445 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: good stories. So, um, trying to just get where people 446 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: aren't going to be on this first weekend is going 447 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: to be kind of the key. And you know, switching 448 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: up strategy knowing where people are going to be moving 449 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: into and where those deer are going to try to 450 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: get away from him is where you know we're going 451 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: to try to be. And so with that said, what 452 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: do you think the bucket activities are going to be 453 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: in this coming week on a scale of like one 454 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: to ten, Um, I would definitely say it would it 455 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: would go up. I be thinking we're gonna be around 456 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: you know and eight this coming weekend just um, you know, 457 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: knowing a with this time of year and be we're 458 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: getting a big gold front that's supposed to hit you 459 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: know on Saturday, which is the opener up here, um, 460 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: which I think is going to get a lot of 461 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: bucks up on their feet. They're going to be moving 462 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: around and it's I think we're gonna see a lot 463 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: of deer killed this weekend in Wisconsin. Alright, Well, I'll 464 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: be following along in Matthews Facebook page and hope to 465 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: see what kind of damage those newen bows can do. 466 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: Thanks deerk yep, I have a good one, Spenser, appreciate 467 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: it alright and joining us on the line. Next is 468 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: Matt Drewy, the general manager of Drewy Outdoors now Matt 469 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: in Missouri. What would you say the buck activity has 470 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: been there? On a scale of one to ten, I 471 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: think I think it's two things you're looking at. If 472 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: you're looking for the mature buck activity, I think it's 473 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: it's pretty low. The last few days, this past you know, 474 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: the past weekend three four because they're locked down. I 475 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: saw a lot. I was at Dad's this weekend hunting. 476 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: I saw a ton of great movement, but it was 477 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: mostly younger bucks, the most you know mature bucks being 478 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: three um so um. I think the mature bucks had 479 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: already locked down. They were with their does and it 480 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: was very tough hunting. That being said, I did catch 481 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: an old bruiser um looking for a new you know, 482 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: the next available though Sunday morning, and and kind a 483 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: good opportunity and put a good shot on him and 484 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: and gotta wrap my tag around. And but that being said, 485 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: I think this next cold front coming up um here 486 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: in the next few days, probably three four days, I 487 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: think it could get really really good. I'm saying maybe 488 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: a seven eight for buck activity, mature buck activity, because 489 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: they're getting ready to you know, they're they're finishing up 490 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: with their their first dough and they're gonna go start 491 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: looking for their second dough. So I think it could 492 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: get really good with that cold front that's kind of 493 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: going through the Midwest coming up. Yeah, if we are 494 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: in lockdown right now, then what kind of techniques are 495 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: you guys using hunting wise? What you know, what areas 496 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: are you in? Are you doing any calling mornings or evenings? Yeah, 497 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: So I was sitting and now over the weekend it 498 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: got really cold this past week and it was the 499 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: first and second frost that we had in the in 500 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: the Kirksville area in Missouri, and so we were sitting 501 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: close to food sources beans specifically standing beans, and that 502 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: drew every dough in that area to that food plot 503 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: to those you know, those food plots, and from there, 504 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: I think it drug that you know, the bucks out 505 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: because they were just going where the does were, and 506 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean I did see chasing and all that good stuff. 507 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: And actually we filmed two breeding encounters in two days, 508 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: so it shows you what phase they were in. But 509 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: it was so cold over that two day period and 510 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: it and it warmed up since, but that two day 511 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: period was so cold all the does went out to 512 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: those bean fields. Um. I had sat one other sit uh, 513 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: I was in a morning set. I'm trying to think back. 514 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: I think it was a morning sit um where I 515 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: sat next to a pond. And the theory there is, hey, 516 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: if the if the bucks are chasing you know, all day, 517 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: all night, more so than food, they need water. And 518 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: sure enough we had a nice three year old come 519 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: to the pond and drink for a while. And I 520 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: mean we got good footage of that. So in theory 521 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: that was you know, that was working. Calling didn't work whatsoever. 522 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: They could care less for me and my personal experience 523 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: the last few days. They couldn't care less about calling. Um. 524 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: That being said, I think coming up in the next 525 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: few days, especially with that cold front, and if they're 526 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: looking for the next dough rattling specifically, will be the 527 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: ticket because they're gonna want to go and look and 528 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: search out what's going on. You know, why are why 529 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: are the bucks fighting and the other mature bucks are 530 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: gonna want to come in and and see, especially if 531 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: they're looking for a dough, So rattling coming up could 532 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: be a good tactic. So if you think calling will 533 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: help coming up here? What about hunting around side? Do 534 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: you think scrapes and rubs are goodness start getting hit 535 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: again or not? Yeah? I do. I think check your cameras, 536 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, leading into that cold front. I think scrapes 537 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: are getting ready to get hot again, and that for me, 538 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: they had cooled off pretty badly on my lease. But 539 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see him start picking back up 540 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: as the bucks are looking for their next you know, 541 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: next dough, they're they're kind of asserting their dominance in 542 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: the area. So I think scrapes will be good again. Sure, 543 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: And so how long do you think lockdown is gonna 544 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: last for? And going for don a scale of one 545 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: to ten, What do you think that buck activity is 546 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: going to be in these next couple of days? Well, 547 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 1: for you know the show thirteam that that Mark and 548 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: Terry and and and us here drew the outdoors that 549 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: we've come up with the date range, you know, it 550 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: varies a little bit. But for us, we had the 551 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: date of lockdown, the date range. This is not a 552 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: science by any means. I mean, it's based on our 553 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: visual you know, what we've noticed over the years, and 554 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: specifically what Mark and Dada noticed. But we had an 555 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: ending yesterday actually today being a new a new a 556 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: new phase. Um, so i'd say, you know, like I said, 557 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: check your cameras. But any day here, I think lockdown 558 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: is good getting ready to end because they're gonna get 559 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: on their feet and you're gonna see some of your 560 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: best outside of Buck Parade, which is right before lockdown. 561 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: I think this coming up this period in the next 562 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: few days, especially the cold front, you're gonna see a 563 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: lot of midday movement from from Bucks. You're gonna see 564 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: a lot of daylight activity. So I wouldn't be afraid 565 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: to sit, you know, some long hours in the coming days. 566 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: Well that's some exciting intel. Matt, and congrats on the 567 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: awesome dear. I appreciate it, Thank you man. And that 568 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: concludes this week's episode of Wire to Hunt's Radio. Make 569 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: sure you follow wire to Hunt on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, 570 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: and follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Spencer new Heart. 571 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: Good luck, with your mid November hunts, and thanks for listening.