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Hey there, and welcome to 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:59.000 another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve as usual 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.200 joint by Devin and Joe, and this week we're gonna 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.440 talk about something that is classified as a miracle by 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.920 the Catholic Church. So that makes it a mystery, does 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.040 because not everybody believes that the Church is right, and 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.280 this is known as the Miracle of the Son or 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.759 the Miracle of Fatima. I do want to say that 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.399 this was a listener's suggestion suggested by Mel, so thank you, 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.200 Mel appreciated this was a good one. So Here's what 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.840 happened is, according to accounts by witnesses, on the October 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.800 nineteen seventeen, as promised, a miracle took place. And what 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.080 that miracle was was that the sun appeared to dance 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:44.640 across the sky, to move closer to and then farther 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.200 away from the earth, and to shine in many different colors. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:54.320 So that that is the miracle itself right there. Before 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.480 we talk about the miracle and the mushrooms, there's some 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.840 backstory we should cover that, so let's get that part first. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.840 But quick disclaimer. Yeah, okay, So this story deals with 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:11.000 Catholic faith and religious iconography and practices, and I am 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.200 by no means an expert in that, and I've done 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.520 my best here, but if I flubb something, give me 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.160 a little bit of a little bit of room here. Uh. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.560 And also, as always with stories that are seated in 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.760 religious faith, I don't want anybody to take what we're 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.120 saying is in any way, shape or form mocking. That's 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.560 not the intention. We're simply talking about the subject at hand. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.680 This is not, you know, something we're talking overarching about 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.440 the Catholic or any other religious faith. Just understand that 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:42.720 we love everyone except for Nazis. Yeah, lots of things. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.400 We can't go into that now, okay, so let's go 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.640 into this instead. So our story takes place in the 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.799 little town of Fatima in Portugal. There were in the 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:58.840 spring of nineteen sixteen or nine seventeen, excuse me, three children. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:04.000 It's ten year old Lucia Santos and her cousins, seven 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.760 year old Jacinta and nine year old Francisco Marto. They 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.760 were watching Lucia's father's flock of sheep in an area 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:17.440 that is locally known as covid Aria. I hope, I 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.760 that's I think that's what I remember hearing it, but 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.959 I could be wrong. But translated that translates to the 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:30.040 cove of Irene in English. The accounts of their day vary. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.680 There's a whole as with it. A story like this 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.760 and of this age. There's always variations because they're like 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:39.200 you know, ten and seven right well, and so most 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.280 of the stories they say that they lead the flock 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.440 to the cove and then they ate their lunch and 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.680 they played. Some versions say they spent time under a 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.760 large tree. Others say that they spent time in a 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:56.600 cave to avoid a rainstorm. Either way, at around noon, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:01.160 the three children said their rosaries their prayers, and at 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.600 that point they said they saw an apparition which was 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.600 bright light that to them looked like lightning. But they 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.119 said that was weird because it wasn't cloudy, which means 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.360 that must not have been raining. Probably I'm thinking this 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.800 is the non rain storm because it was raining, it 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.920 might have just been lightning, right exactly, so, but no, okay, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.240 So there's so in this accounting, it seems that maybe 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.000 this is a non raining version, so that that bright 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.560 light happens, and in it they see a figure and 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:33.080 they approached that figure. The figure doesn't immediately identify itself, 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.760 but eventually they would come to to find out that 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.360 Bruce Willis, it's not Bruce Willis. Eventually they would come 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.800 to discover that it was the Virgin Mary, the mother 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.800 of Jesus. She told the children that she wanted them 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.760 to and she gave them a set of instructions. Those 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.760 instructions were to say they're rosaries every day and to 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.000 come back to that location on thet of each month 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.120 for a total of six months, and in exchange, she 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.159 would share not only her identity because at this point 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.760 don't know who she is, but they would She would 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.719 also impart to them knowledge. She would give them some 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.799 visions and then eventually they would ask through their meetings, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.720 they would then ask, you know, for proof, and then 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.640 that's where the miracle of the sun happened. It was 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:25.760 on the seventh month. So once Mary has done sharing 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.880 her vision, she rises into the sky and halo of 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.640 bright light and disappears into the distance, and that's their 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:36.039 first encounter with the Virgin Mary. They do need to 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:40.120 point out so as Devin briefly mentioned, they are ten, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.400 nine and seven, so their accountings. How accurate this is, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.040 it is hard to say. The other problem with it 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.760 is that all of this story primarily and its written 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:55.039 form comes from Lucia Santos, because she would write down 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.240 an accounting of what happened in her visions twenty some 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.000 years after the fact, so a little bit of fact 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:06.360 in fiction time. It's hard to piece the two apart um. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.919 But she said, at least in the accounting, is that 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.280 this was not the first time that the children had 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.239 been visited by an apparition. In the prior year nineteen sixteen, 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.880 they had been visited by an angel on three separate occasions, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.360 which appears to be in preparation for their meeting with 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:34.440 Mary screen the Holy screaming that maybe it UM. Now 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.760 I'm gonna I've truncated the heck out of the encounters 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.960 and what was said, and if anybody's interested in that, 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.760 will put a link on the website that has the 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.720 text included. You may also be familiar with UM, a 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.919 televised rendition of this story. Yes that I will not 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.600 say exactly what it is, but you probably have seen it. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.480 Probably so continuing on UM so that the children hold 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.599 up there into the deal. They pray the rosaries every day, 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.440 and they plan to go back on the thirteenth of 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.520 the month. And they do go back on the thirteenth 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:09.159 of each month, and people, somehow word gets out about 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.840 what they say they saw. I d told everybody, well 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:15.440 at least one of them spilled the beans, and then 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:20.680 word got around, and so witnesses, people who wanted to 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.040 witness what the children were seeing, would show up on 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.680 the thirteenth around noon to see it as well. It's 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:32.360 unclear to me if anybody besides the children was seeing her. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.880 The accounts that I've read of this is that lots 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.680 of people kept going back every month and more and 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.160 more all the time, and nobody else ever saw the 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.440 vision Mary besides the kids. That was my understanding as well. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.040 But it was also my understand that there were a 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.480 number of people who believed that it was okay that 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.800 they weren't being given the gift of seeing the kids 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.280 interact with her or whatever was like proof enough that 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.960 it was actually happening in their eyes at least. Yeah. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.240 Some people were also like, I can't see here, what's 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.800 going on? Yeah, there's nothing going on here that's obviously 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.600 not real, and they'd leave it off. Yeah, I guess 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.760 I'm making if it is really you know, what's the 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.520 point of being here? If you know she's not going 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:13.920 to show yourself to me, I might as well go 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.920 ahead and read about it later. Yeah, it's very time 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:22.080 standing around here. Yeah. So, through these encounters, Mary would 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.240 eventually share the visions with the children. Visions one and 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.080 two where the visions of what heaven looked like and 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:35.400 what hell looked like. Vision three is weird, and it 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.640 didn't come out till the She didn't write and tell 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.880 share what it was Lucia until the mid forties, maybe 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.599 the late mid I thought it was like but the 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.440 Church didn't release it until the sixties. Yeah, I thought 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.000 it was like late thirties, but I could be wrong. Yeah. Again, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.839 I'm not sure, because the church sealed it right away 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.840 and they wouldn't let it out because of course it 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.360 was time sensitive, I guess because it was talked about 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.120 the war, like you know, World War Two at that time. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.000 But it what's really weird about it is that it 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.880 talks about the role of Russia in the world, and 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.720 how if they I'm in my interpretation or understanding of this, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.880 how if they didn't take on Catholicism properly, they were 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.959 going to lead the world down a wrong path? What's 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.880 they kind of did? She was right well in the 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.120 way she was, but a lot of people have interpreted 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.240 her message and there's been ridicule of this third message. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.480 So I don't know what to think of it. It's 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.359 very confusing to me, but I'm not very good with 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:40.400 with these kind of theology things. So well, the thing 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.720 about it is is that if she did indeed right 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.319 it twenty years later, and I think she did that, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.400 it was well known by that point at what that 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.360 what path Russia was on, So it's kind of it 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.839 doesn't look that miraculous, like that miraculous of prediction really, 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.160 even though lots of it came true. Well you know, uh, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:01.600 you read the papers, you get an idea you're writing, right, Yeah, 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:06.360 it would be miraculous if in nineteen seventeen, though the 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.679 Russian Revolution was happening and nobody knew that it was 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.240 going to turn out to be hell on Earth and 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.240 the way it did, right yeah, yeah, which and maybe 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.520 maybe when she first wrote it, maybe she wrote had 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.080 a version of early memo of it, and that's why 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:20.840 the church seal didn't said, you can't write all this 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.760 till later on. I have no idea. And the recording 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.480 of it again, there are so many versions that it 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.440 makes it really tough. Yeah, okay, I mean that we've 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.640 started to fall down a is theological, Yeah, it is. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.199 It's a theological rabbit hole. We started to fall down that, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.920 and I think we need to kind of dance around 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.319 that because that's not really the focus of the episode. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.679 The miracle of the sun itself is um. So this 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.439 is uh. The children were told that on the thirteenth 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.240 of October seventeen, that would have been the seventh month, right, 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:58.280 that would be the seventh month, really really badass in 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.760 her own work. To quote her directly, she didn't use 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.120 that word. She did. Yeah, she was gonna make a 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.200 miracle happen at noon. Yeah. Okay. So like with the appearances, 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.240 the early visits of Mary, when the children we were 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.480 talking about, people were showing up, A bunch of people 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.280 showed up because this miracle. They blabbed and told everybody. 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.920 We don't know how many people were really there. The 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.240 it is recorded as somewhere between ten thousand and one 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.880 hundred thousand people were there a lot. Yeah, I don't know. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.280 I don't know how big the covid irene was, but 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.920 it seems to me it wasn't big enough for d Yeah, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.000 I really I don't. I don't think it could have 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.520 sat that many. And that's like a hundred times more 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.760 listeners than we have, so I don't think, yeah, that's 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:45.240 not possible. I think that doesn't. That actually took me 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.920 off as three three annoying little kids and had more listeners. 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.920 But but no. So so all of these people show 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:57.959 up to witness the miracle and accounts say, okay, again, 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.160 this is where it varies. Either it started reigning the 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:06.120 night before or the morning of the predicted miracle, but 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.320 the rain would stop just before noon. The ground was 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.920 wet with from the rain. And there are photos and 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.720 you see people with umbrellas, but I think I've only 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.520 seen one photo actually where people had umbrellas. I've seen 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.760 two or three, but you know, it's it's not a 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.840 time and an air where people had umbrellas with them. 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.600 You know, it's part of fashion. So it's hard to say, 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.240 but it looks like a clear day to me in 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.760 those images. It doesn't look like it's cloudy. It actually 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.160 kind of looks like a nice, bright sunny day, to 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.440 be very honest. Sports ago, I understand the whether there 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.480 was kind of nice. Yeah, and at that time of 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.280 years we'll talk about later. It's not really a bad season. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.400 But regardless of what the weather was at noon, everyone 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.040 looked up towards the sun because it was clear baby 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.640 that so they looked up at the sun to see 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.079 the miracle take place. And here's what they say they saw. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:03.160 People say they the sun appear as an opaque spinning 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.520 disc in the sky. That the spinning wheel of death. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.600 I got on my computer sometimes. Yeah, but it goes 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:12.280 much faster than that, so it doesn't have all the 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.800 colors obvious. No, so it was a spinning disc in 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.560 the sky. It was said to be significantly duller than normal, 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:25.560 and it also supposedly cast multi colored lights on everything, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.400 so the landscape, the people, the surrounding clouds. Uh. The 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.400 sun was also reported to koreem towards the landscape and 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.199 the people, and then to bounce around in the surrounding 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.280 or sky before going back to its normal position. The 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.400 previously wet clothes of people who were there, as well 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.720 as the ground from the rainstorm they were wet, dried 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.040 out because the sun got closer and so it got 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.120 warm and it dried them all out, so it was 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:57.040 suddenly incompletely dry. But just like the earlier visions, not 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.079 all of the people who were there say they a 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.280 something happened. Some of the a lot of them would 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.000 report one of those things, but not all of those things. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:09.280 But a great many people also said I didn't see anything, 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.040 so I'm not insure entirely sure either. How long this 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.360 whole thing lasted. Did it take a minute, did it 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.640 take ten We don't know. But the people who were there, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.360 a great majority of them were convinced that it truly 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:25.520 was a miracle proabn for ten minutes straight. I really 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.800 hope that's really bad for you. Don't do that. We 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.920 just had an eclipse. Everybody knows sun safety, good glasses, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.960 don't stare at the sun. Don't do it because it 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:38.960 embarrasses the sun. Staring as rude. Good. So a lot 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.840 of the information that we have about the miracle of 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.200 the Sun was done because an Italian priest named father, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:53.680 Oh God help me here, John Demarci, Right, marcias the 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.320 middle of the still allibles always just say it like 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.320 I'm saying, Luigi, John Demarci. I mean, honestly, yes, we'll 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.960 go with that. Sorry. So John de Marchi would research 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.240 the miracle of the Sun, and he would interview a 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.960 whole bunch of people who were there that day. Sadly, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:18.560 he didn't start doing this until six years after the fact, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.400 which is kind of a long time to get their 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.160 stories straight. To let him grow. If you wander him, write, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:31.080 your stories will always grow. So he spent about seven 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.960 years researching the miracle, and he actually wrote more than 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.120 one book about it. But I'm going to take a 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.080 couple of quotes of what people said they saw, and 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.640 we're gonna share him here just so you can get it. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.040 Kind of a direct quote idea. I want you to 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.480 to help me. So who wants to start? You want 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.960 me to start? When you want can start. The Sun, 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:53.240 at one moment, surrounded with scarlet flame, at another are 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.480 old in yellow and deep purple, seemed to be an 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.520 exceedingly swift and whirling movement, and at times appearing to 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.960 be loose from the sky and to be approaching the 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.320 earth strongly radiating heat. Nice, I'll do the next one, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.840 all right. The Sun's disc did not remain a mobile. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.720 This was not the sparkling of a heavenly body, for 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.000 it spun round on itself in a mad whirld. When 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.520 suddenly a clamor was heard from all the people. The sun, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.600 whirling seemed to loosen itself from the firmament and advance, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.320 threatening upon the earth, as if to crash to crush 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.520 us with its huge fiery weight. The sensation during those 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:35.200 moments was terrible. Mushrooms. Oh okay, my turn, I feel 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.120 incapable of describing what I saw. I looked fixedly at 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.400 the Sun, which seemed pale and did not hurt my eyes, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.400 looking like a ball of snow. Revolving on itself. It 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.720 suddenly seemed to come down in a zigzag, menacing the earth. Terrified, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.960 I ran and hid myself among the people who are 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:51.960 weeping and expecting the end of the world at any 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.360 moment unquote. Yeah, So if I gotta say, you know, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.080 when the sun's crashing into the earth, I'm just gonna 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.200 go hide in the crowd. That'll save me. I So 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.320 there's yeah, no, I mean, but this kind of gives 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.360 you an idea of the way, at least in their 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:12.800 account recollections words things in their recollections, how they remembered 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.720 what they saw and felt. So the Catholic Church, as 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.119 we said, would eventually come to recognize and accept the 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.280 miracle of the sun. They categorize it as an event 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:31.840 of genuine supernatural character. That's evidently how their categorization. Catholics 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:37.280 speak yep for miracles. This obviously, though, didn't happen right away. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.120 The Catholics, they actually going to have to look in Yeah, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:46.359 they actually investigate stuff crazy. But in nineteen thirty Pope 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.960 Pious the eleventh would approve the whole thing. What's kind 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:54.480 of funny, though, is that in nineteen fifty Pope Pious 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.199 the twelfth, because it was Pious the eleventh and thirty, 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.960 and then I think Pious the eleventh died in their 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.919 nine so the twelve came on, so Pious the twelfth. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.720 Though in nineteen fifty he actually said that he also 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:12.680 saw the miracle of the Sun in nineteen fifty while 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.560 he was, you know, walking around. I can't remember what 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.600 religious ceremony he was at, but he walked and he 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.320 was in front of the statue of our Lady of Lards. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:26.280 I believes how you pronounced that one when he witnessed it, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.000 And he witnessed it three days in a row, which 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.280 is funny, Like, hey, I want to get on the bandwagon. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:34.680 I want to see a way more needs something you 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.600 people do like it just seems a weird thing to 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:42.760 forty years later, suddenly claimed to start seeing well, Pope 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.040 Pius the twelve had a different name, and it was 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:55.280 Pope the Overachiever. They called him. That did they um? 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:57.359 All right, so let's go back to the day of 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:01.359 the event. Though after everything settled down, everyone seems to 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:06.040 have left and gone back of their lives as normal. Sadly, 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:11.439 for Jacinta and Francisco Marto, they came down with influenza 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.400 and died in nineteen nineteen. A lot of people we've 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:20.399 talked about Lucia Santo's would end up devoting the rest 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.600 of her life to religion. She lived as a sister 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.480 until her death in two thousand and five. So she 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.560 lived well into her nineties something like that. Yeah, she 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:35.600 lived an amazingly long life. Um. And so that leads 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.280 us with a question of you know what happened he did? 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.480 Did people really see your miracle on that day in 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.200 October nineteen seventeen or did they not. 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And it is entirely possible, especially from 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:46.720 a believer's perspective, that the Virgin Mary could have the 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:51.639 power to alter human senses. So if you follow that 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.040 train of logic, then it's possible that the sun did 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.600 not actually move in the sky, but she made it 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.159 appear to do that, which would be the equivalent of 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.399 a heavenly parlor trick. I mean, that's that's it's a 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.320 vision at that point, absolutely. I mean obviously in that 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.520 sense too, it's real that that the sun really zigzag 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.919 and come closer to the Earth. Well, obviously it didn't 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.600 because billions of people would have seen that, correct. But still, 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:19.520 you know, if the version of Mary, as you said, 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.800 can actually make everybody see the same thing, it's akin 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.880 to a mass hallucination. You know, you'll all be given 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.199 the same thing, except of course not everybody saw it, 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.760 but maybe it was customized to the level of the believer, 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.719 and you know where you worthy of receiving it or not. 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.280 We we we honestly can't say that we know the 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.240 answer to that, right. One of the things that makes 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:48.160 it look like not maybe so much is the well 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:49.800 we've talked about this little bit, is that there's the 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.680 photos and it looks like a bright sunny day. Problem 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.840 is with the photos is we don't actually we don't 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.320 know when they were taken. I always presumed at the 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.919 beginning that those were taken before of the miracle, but 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.760 we don't actually know if those photos weren't taken after 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.720 the miracle had taken place. So that might explain why 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.720 it's not wet while the people kneeling on the ground, 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.440 because the ground is dried. They've dried, the sun has 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.000 come out and is super bright. It happened the photos 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.000 were taken afterwards, or they could have been taken long afterwards, 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.760 because I mean, the you know, this didn't become a 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.840 big story until after And that's one probably reporters and 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.840 photographers studied going up there. Well, they were all their 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:32.879 pre before the actual reporters because because word had spread 0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:36.880 across the country, across Portugal, so people came from all 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.480