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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. It is going around the

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Speaker 1: NFC forty eight minutes here we are should just have

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Speaker 1: Jason do the whole show with Timber episode. I love

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Speaker 1: that from the Chris Westley podcast studio. It's around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I am Dan Hansis got heroes here, great girls of ball,

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Speaker 1: Mark Cecil wearing that black button up and joining us.

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Speaker 1: A very special guest.

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Speaker 2: We love her. She's been on the show, but never

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Speaker 2: in person. Jordan Rodrigue of the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: Guys are all taller in person, all to a man,

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Speaker 3: all of you.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, what is happening? This is?

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Speaker 2: This is very fun. And Jordan, we're gonna get to

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Speaker 2: a little bit later. Who covers the RAMS and the

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Speaker 2: NFL and kills it over on the Athletic You come

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Speaker 2: up a lot on the show, which is a credit

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Speaker 2: to your work. You just came out with Finding Rams,

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Speaker 2: which was a deep dive, two part breakdown on their

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Speaker 2: entire draft process, which is awesome. Uh, and now we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about not just the RAMS, but all

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Speaker 2: the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Are you prepared for this?

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Speaker 3: I'm very nervous because this is literally life or death

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Speaker 3: because of the Dart situation. So I am prepared to

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Speaker 3: be punctured by a dart.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: Also just that Dan is a very exacting judge on guests,

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Speaker 4: and unfortunately, as a fan of the show, you.

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Speaker 5: Do know that that we do have importance. And it's

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Speaker 5: not a demad standards it. It really come boils down

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Speaker 5: to how Dan feels like.

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Speaker 2: You do you bring value to the show. We have

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Speaker 2: it the famous that no one's ever seen it. Like

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Speaker 2: we talked, we're going to talk about the RAMS database.

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Speaker 2: We have our hit it and quitit list, and you know,

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Speaker 2: could Jordan end up on it?

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Speaker 1: We don't know.

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Speaker 4: He's already been on the show at least like four

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Speaker 4: times in person.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I can change it. Yeah, the pressure is

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Speaker 3: It's an incredible pressure. I am glad you did brief

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Speaker 3: the Orphanage. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: It was great to see you. It was great to

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Speaker 3: I had an amazing guy right in the community.

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Speaker 5: Well, the first thing Dan would have mentioned it himself,

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Speaker 5: so it's it's important that you bring it up.

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Speaker 3: I did. I ran into Dabo Sweeney at the Senior

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Speaker 3: heard you know Dan hands a stack guy.

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Speaker 2: You would know he personalized the football that Jordan saw.

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Speaker 1: So it is great.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I run into people at the orphanage that I'm building,

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Speaker 2: it's always great. And Greg joined us at the orphan

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Speaker 2: my work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, join me.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I I left some You know the thing

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Speaker 2: and everybody's got to work together. Yes, there's always one

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Speaker 4: Oh I don't I don't like The second thing Jordan

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Speaker 4: the second thing Jordan did here was take a picture

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Speaker 4: of your football. But I do like you bringing it

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Speaker 5: Feel like anytime that realization, that truth, that narrative bubbles up,

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Speaker 4: It's a great ending to this.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard this. I've listened to every episode.

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Speaker 4: It just came out then.

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Speaker 2: This says so much more about you, Mark than anyone

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Speaker 1: I've never thought about this a second time.

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Speaker 4: It's a delicious answer to the The best part.

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Speaker 1: Is that I wouldn't have even said a word about

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Speaker 1: More under your skin.

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Speaker 5: Hang on, I'm so happy. I just simply like, yeah, students,

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Speaker 2: That would be excellent. All right, So we have a

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Speaker 2: it's very important, Jordan, you are aware of the dart situation.

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Speaker 2: We have Big Funk behind the glass that I filling

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Speaker 2: in for ETP, and that is that's important to know

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Speaker 2: because ETP is reckless with the Dart. But Big Funk

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Speaker 5: He's more of a like an Oswald type, so you know,

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Speaker 2: a play Matt.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Hang on, We're gonna get the laptop

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Speaker 2: All right, The way the running back situation has been

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Speaker 3: But I do wonder if they're trying to play the

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Speaker 4: Which is like not the way I would run things.

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Speaker 2: Dak will play the final year of his contract and

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Speaker 5: Some say the ancient pyramids of Egypt were actually ornately

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Speaker 5: are not saying this about the New York Giants. Since

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Speaker 5: selecting Daniel Jones in twenty nineteen, the g Men rank

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Speaker 5: the Molik neighbors pick. I think it's a total change agent.

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Speaker 3: Malik Neighbors is the type of player twenty one in

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Speaker 3: A lot and Brian Burns came on Thibodeau.

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Speaker 3: It is I have to hear in parentheses. Yeah, Greg

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Speaker 2: They a class successor. Rub Build was in there always trips.

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Speaker 1: Well. I think it's you can compare these.

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Speaker 2: Jordan on the.

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Speaker 3: Iggles first, I have no additional Howie Roseman take the

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Speaker 3: Quinon Mitchell's ability on the outside can open up more

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Speaker 3: I think schematically this could get really funky and cool.

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Speaker 3: I love the legacy pick Jeremiah Trotter, great point, Mark

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Speaker 3: and I think they're and I think they're underrated. Pick

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Speaker 4: Oh what's he like?

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Speaker 3: Could not have been? Kinder?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Really nice man?

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Speaker 2: Does it seem like you seely the head coach and

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Speaker 3: We didn't really interact that long, but you know, I'll

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Speaker 4: That's a great idea about the Gene. I mean, Bondo

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Speaker 4: him with CJ. Gardner Johnson, whos been successful there and

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Speaker 5: I kind of love when teams do that, and I

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Speaker 5: think that's one of the reasons someone like Roseman's getting

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Speaker 5: So I think the Queny and Mitchell thing was fortuitous

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Speaker 1: I love that for the league.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I wonder if they're just as good on defense, though,

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Speaker 4: as like Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter get better, that's

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Speaker 4: Jordan Davis maybe didn't make the step they hoped last year.

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Speaker 3: Well it'll it'll open up what you can do in

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Speaker 3: like this, defense is all about tendencies. I think the

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Speaker 3: when you have movement like that upfront or the potential

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Speaker 2: It was good to have because we're gonna have Jordan

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Speaker 2: also handled the falcons later.

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Speaker 1: These are these are hot button topics.

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Speaker 2: On the show, no opinion, So as a guiding force

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Speaker 2: that's a smart move. In fact, it could be Jordan

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Speaker 2: in the role of peacemaker, and I think that's very important.

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Speaker 4: Or you settle the ties, you know, you decide who's

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Speaker 4: right who's wrong forever more.

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Speaker 3: We'll see we'll see.

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Speaker 4: The great Howie Roson debate of.

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Speaker 1: Big Funk. Come on, big Funk. That peacemaker Eagles gotta

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Speaker 1: be ready.

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Speaker 6: I know I tried finding it. I thought I had it,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, time out, time out, all right?

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Speaker 2: So listen, this Howie thing has turned into a national

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Some of the takes a little bit similar to

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Speaker 2: That's beside the point. I wanted to say. This is

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Speaker 2: not me looking to do some gotcha journalism. Jordan nailed it.

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Speaker 2: This is uh, let's just take a look by the numbers.

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Speaker 2: with this how we do that? A closer look at

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Speaker 2: the draft prom king. Since Howie Roseman regained personnel authority

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Speaker 2: following Chip Kelly's firing twenty sixteen, he's had eight draft

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Speaker 2: classes total players selections, fifty seven first team All Pro,

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Speaker 2: fifty two or fifty seven, twelve draft picks who signed

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Speaker 2: as twenty twenty one. What does that tell you? I

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Speaker 2: guess you need to see other teams. It seems pretty normal.

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Speaker 2: It seems I would guess, probably in line with an

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Speaker 4: I think the second contracts would be higher. But you're right,

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Speaker 5: Need I want to see I'd want to like line

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Speaker 2: From I mean, in eight drafts, he hasn't nobody's been Uh.

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Speaker 2: So this doesn't include when he was put out in

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Speaker 5: I'd also say that a lot of the how he

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Speaker 5: It wasn't the minute he came out of the shed

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Speaker 4: That's a hye bar. First team All pros like Jalen

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Speaker 4: Hurts was a pick that people really were negative about.

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Speaker 4: Why why would you do that? I mean, he's an

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Speaker 4: All Pro. So that's one. I mean, I guess they're

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Speaker 4: Rookie of the Year. The eleven contracts, I think is big.

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Speaker 4: It is a reminder though, to me, if you were

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Speaker 4: trade and free agency. If I had to rank, like

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Speaker 4: how he's acquired players the best, it's and more most

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Speaker 3: If the media was really so high on Howie Rosman's players,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't they be voting for more?

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Speaker 1: Just asking questions, Well it is.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's this time of year where the

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Speaker 2: business and it's become a very safe trope to praise.

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Speaker 1: How they don't allow us.

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Speaker 5: Into the Pro Football Writers Association of America and beyond,

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Speaker 5: we actually had the chief of that association.

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Speaker 3: We can't vote, but yeah, we need more writing from

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Speaker 3: Mark right, that would help.

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Speaker 1: I'm good for I'm good with my current status. Like

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Speaker 4: Brown is an All Pro, but that's acquired through trade.

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Speaker 4: Jalen hurts right, Yeah, does Scotter's never.

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Speaker 2: Made And you know, the point there is not that

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Speaker 2: a very good job by all accounts. Uh, it's just you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I love this draft though, I mean, I he

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at here with him is you know, sometimes

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Speaker 3: there's some some you know, high value picks, and sometimes

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Speaker 3: there's some some wins. But if you look at the

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Speaker 3: it's like you can understand why he made every pick.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's part of it. It makes sense.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense whether you really know a lot about

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Speaker 1: Woch cool.

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Speaker 4: How he handled last season was a huge negative though,

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Speaker 4: Like you got Jalen Carter, but the way they attacked

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Speaker 4: that secondary and gave all that money to Bradbury that

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Speaker 4: of like linebackers don't matter until last year when like

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Speaker 5: Greg, that was all after Big Dom was sentenced to

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Speaker 5: Abstenia back. He was in their draft room on draft days.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, you know, you can they're back at

443
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Speaker 5: their back in the year. Ship Roles just become the

444
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Speaker 5: head coach, Sirian.

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Speaker 1: He is like assistant, he's not assistance.

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Speaker 4: I think, so, like that's pretty high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I just want to really quick. It reminds me a

449
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Speaker 3: lot kind of when the league catches you off guards

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Speaker 3: the linebacker point that you made, Greg, that happens to

451
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Speaker 3: teams who play that long into the postseason. I mean

452
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Speaker 3: we saw it in twenty twenty two. They were caught

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Speaker 3: by everything you could not see. You couldn't see it

454
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Speaker 3: through all the injuries, but their offense had gotten stale.

455
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Speaker 3: They lost an offensive coordinator, the players were injured like

456
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Speaker 3: all spring. You couldn't see it because of what happened

457
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Speaker 3: right out of the gate with the injury catastrophe along

458
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Speaker 3: their offensive line. But they weren't running you know, new stuff.

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Speaker 3: They were still very one dimensional. Their run game wasn't

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Speaker 3: what it is now. They got caught by the league

461
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Speaker 3: changing and they didn't have the time to regain their

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Speaker 3: own pace because they were operating, you know, the longest

463
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Speaker 3: season in NFL history At that time, the Eagles, you know,

464
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Speaker 3: did the same thing. It also makes what the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: do every year that much more massive.

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Speaker 1: But you don't hear bred Veach getting any love at

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Speaker 1: this level.

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Speaker 5: I know when those numbers, those Howie based numbers were

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Speaker 5: generated for you, I know you had a little grin

470
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Speaker 5: on your face.

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Speaker 2: No, the numbers don't look bad for him. It just

472
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Speaker 2: kind of bears out that we already knew that he doesn't.

473
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Speaker 2: They're all not home runs in reality, but they look

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Speaker 2: awesome in April. All right, Let's move to the final

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Speaker 2: team in the NFC East, the Washington Commanders, with Gray.

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Speaker 4: Going into his Week one start. I assume Jayden and

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Speaker 4: Daniels is the starter. His left tackle will be either

478
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Speaker 4: Cornelius Lucas or Brandon Coleman, a third round pick who

479
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Speaker 4: is probably a guard, and then his right tackle is

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Speaker 4: Andrew Wiley. Overall, this looks like a bottom five offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Is this offensive line in Cliff Kingsbury putting Jaden Daniels

482
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Speaker 4: in a situation too, because I look at it and

483
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Speaker 4: I saw a lot of like, oh, the Patriots, that's

484
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Speaker 4: the worst situation at bottom five offensive line, Cliff Kingsbury

485
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Speaker 4: and a skilled position group that's Terry Mlorin and just

486
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Speaker 4: like a lot of questions like is Jaye and Daniels

487
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Speaker 4: set up?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, there's not a lot of proof that the

489
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Speaker 5: offensive line is a big positive and Cliff Kingsbury, for me,

490
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Speaker 5: is the biggest question mark of new coordinator position in

491
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Speaker 5: the entire league. Pat matched with a when he had

492
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Speaker 5: Kyler it was like, there's a very specific scheme here.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback matches it.

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Speaker 5: And it's not that Daniels doesn't, but like, is Kingsbury

495
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Speaker 5: rolling that back out as he changed, as he gone

496
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Speaker 5: through any sort of personal growth, and now he's going

497
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Speaker 5: to attack teams because what he does he.

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Speaker 4: Have the players? I mean, I don't know if he has.

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Speaker 5: It's not a great situation, but that's why bad teams

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Speaker 5: get these quarterbacks how often.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's going to be interesting. I mean, it's

502
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Speaker 3: a great point on the on the offensive line. Bang,

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Speaker 3: I guess is why I say here, Yeah, and so

504
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Speaker 3: I'm so nervous. I'm sorry, but I do think you

505
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Speaker 3: make a great point. Like everybody talks about how slight

506
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Speaker 3: a frame Jaden Daniels is, and you know, you grow

507
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Speaker 3: into that obviously, and you know, the medical assessments that

508
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Speaker 3: teams do prior to the draft tells you how much

509
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Speaker 3: more mass a person can put on their frame, and

510
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Speaker 3: so they will have some sort of guideline for that.

511
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Speaker 3: They'll know. But you also have to protect him, and

512
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Speaker 3: I think that's that's key and critical. Obviously. You don't

513
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Speaker 3: want a guy coming in and you know he gets

514
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Speaker 3: beat to hell and and he's scared. You know, he's

515
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Speaker 3: kind of seeing.

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Speaker 2: Ghosts a little bit like that every every year, and

517
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Speaker 2: you saw it with the first pick last year. There's

518
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Speaker 2: guys that and basically every Jets quarterback that's coming too

519
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Speaker 2: the league in my lifetime, it seems they get stuck

520
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Speaker 2: with that type of team.

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Speaker 1: It happens every year.

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Speaker 2: You hope it's not going to be Jayden Daniels this year,

523
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Speaker 2: but maybe this is a dawn of a new Aaron Washington.

524
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Speaker 1: While it's not going to be built overnight.

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Speaker 2: They'll protect him enough, like the Austin Eckler move for instance,

526
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Speaker 2: Like I think the general consensus around Eckler now is

527
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Speaker 2: he lost two three steps near the end with the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: But he also is like.

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Speaker 2: A potential really good weapon for a young quarterback, a

530
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Speaker 2: guy that can has a nose for the end zone

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Speaker 2: that could catch the ball out of the backfield. You

532
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Speaker 2: have Brian Robinson with them, so maybe their running game

533
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Speaker 2: can help stabilize things while Daniels gets his feet wet.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta protect them.

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Speaker 5: Or that's what the Sam Howell thing like through me

536
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Speaker 5: as a not great move because you're you're like a

537
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Speaker 5: snap away from Marcus Mariota being your starter.

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Speaker 4: It's just a lot to ask him. He's explosive. Are

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Speaker 4: any players other than mcluurin around him explosive?

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Speaker 2: Take a break and when we return the NFC North

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back around the NFC in forty eight minutes.

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Speaker 2: You are a fan of the show, Jordan, You're doing great.

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Speaker 3: I just I just mouthed to Greg, do I do this?

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Speaker 1: I would like you to so.

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Speaker 3: I think I can actually.

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Speaker 1: I understand the anxiety around this.

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Speaker 3: I practiced this in my car.

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Speaker 1: You already don't build more anxiety. Mark let let her.

549
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Speaker 3: Nobody look at me right, look back.

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Speaker 1: That's great, done, that was excellent.

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Speaker 2: That might be the best one. There you go, big Funk.

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Speaker 2: We just went through the entire first quarter of this exercise.

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Speaker 2: The dart didn't come out once. I don't know, uh,

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Speaker 2: if you're feeling any sense of tensions.

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Speaker 4: We were good, good men and women here guys.

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Speaker 1: You guys are pros. There was a moment, wait, can

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Speaker 1: I please have the big Funk theme? Please? Before we

558
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Speaker 1: go any further said the big Funk? Are you ready

559
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Speaker 1: for the big Funk theme? When it's big Funk time?

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Speaker 1: You spilled water on your laptop?

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Speaker 2: That never happened, big phonem.

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Speaker 1: Ajp ass than.

563
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Speaker 4: Bunk.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, don't be afraid to dart, including the guests.

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Speaker 1: But I think we were.

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Speaker 4: Putting the host.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were well behaved though. Yeah, I thought

568
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Speaker 1: we were. Yeah, you guys did a great job.

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Speaker 6: There was a moment during the time out where I

570
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Speaker 6: thought about hitting you guys with it. Yeah, I don't

571
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Speaker 6: know the the attique time out wise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bit of a one man band. He's

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Speaker 1: trying to he's happening, having to do a lot back there,

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Speaker 1: so he's doing great.

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Speaker 2: He's got the the symbols are on the knees, he's

576
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Speaker 2: got the accordion, he's got.

577
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Speaker 1: The horn juggling, juggling.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get back into it, uh with the

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Speaker 2: NFC North Market.

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Speaker 5: It's going with the bears, all right, quick little story

581
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Speaker 5: to get into this one. The first magazine article I

582
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Speaker 5: ever published on the subject of astral projection for a

583
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Speaker 5: publication called Fate Magazine. And I'm keeping this quid, but

584
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Speaker 5: I wrote about an experience I had during a long

585
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Speaker 5: water fast when I was living at that camp Happiness

586
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Speaker 5: place in the winter. Okay, I began having these intense

587
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Speaker 5: elusive dreams.

588
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Speaker 1: Where I would load out of my body.

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Speaker 5: I can see, I can see myself a seat in

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Speaker 5: my actual bedroom, and I was kept floating like down

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Speaker 5: the hallway. I went into different rooms, and I went

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Speaker 5: into this one room in my dream, floating above near

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Speaker 5: the ceiling, where I saw like a bookshelf tipped over.

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Speaker 5: And then when I went into this room, my friend's room,

595
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 5: after I woke, the bookshelf was actually tipped over. So

596
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Speaker 5: I described this experience, but I will say that when

597
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Speaker 5: I woke, I felt that these dreams brought incredible peace

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Speaker 5: and a feeling of complete newness and intense calm, like

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Speaker 5: everything was new upon awakening, everything and anything felt possible.

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Speaker 5: And that is how I imagine it feels to be

601
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Speaker 5: a Bears fan right now after so many days of darkness,

602
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Speaker 5: because no team in the NFC has changed more in

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Speaker 5: a calendar year. And I ask you, what is the

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Speaker 5: bar for a successful season? What should we reasonably expect

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Speaker 5: from this very different way Bears team.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I know we're supposed to now get to

607
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Speaker 2: the Bears. But when you set it up that way,

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Speaker 2: you were a camp happiness in the summer, I mean

609
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Speaker 2: in the winter.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, was this like a delinquent boys home? No,

611
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Speaker 1: like there was thought. It was just like a place

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Speaker 1: you went for six weeks.

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Speaker 5: You would do a small amount of work with school

614
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Speaker 5: groups that would come in on like Monday and Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: But other than that, you you know, free food, your

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Speaker 5: own room.

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Speaker 1: Respond what unbelievable? It was wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question about the Bears, because.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Bears fans, you got one twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you get a time out here, because to me,

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Speaker 4: the answer is just Caleb Williams is great, and I

622
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: don't care anything else that happens, like that they provide

623
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Speaker 4: enough support offensively and that maybe he wins Offensive Rookie

624
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Speaker 4: of the Year and that he's the guy. And you

625
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Speaker 4: come out of the season just feeling like we we

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Speaker 4: got a quarterback because I think beyond that it's a

627
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Speaker 4: really good division. I don't put them ahead of the

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Speaker 4: Packers or the Lions. Do I complete? You said everything's new?

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Speaker 4: I mean Matt Eberflus isn't new. What do I he

630
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Speaker 4: looks new? Do I looks he looks up fresh?

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Speaker 1: He's do?

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Speaker 4: I fully think that, like their defense is gonna stay

633
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Speaker 4: at that high of a level. They don't really have

634
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Speaker 4: much of a pass rush. Ownership has been an issue

635
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Speaker 4: over the years. Like as long as Caleb Williams is

636
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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, then it's a success, even if they win

637
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Speaker 4: seven or eight games. That's how I feel the ola

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Speaker 4: loose spruce ooh yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: I don't the.

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Speaker 3: Project we're gonna talk about later. You know, you got

641
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Speaker 3: to be in a lot of rooms and listen to

642
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: a lot of things and hear about just like league

643
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: wide chatter, not team specific. I did not hear people

644
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Speaker 3: gush as much as they did about Roma Dunze that,

645
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Speaker 3: I mean it blew me away. I mean I love

646
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Speaker 3: him as a prospect. I knew he was gonna be

647
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Speaker 3: a great player. I love his film. But the way

648
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Speaker 3: that people raved about him as like this is the

649
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Speaker 3: guy to pair with that dude, you know, and I

650
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Speaker 3: just think that that's gonna be really fun.

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Speaker 1: Dock me right in the face.

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Speaker 2: The Bears on paper are a great looking offense all

653
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, so much as contingent. Is Caleb as

654
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Speaker 2: good as people think he could be. But if he is,

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Speaker 2: this division is fun.

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Speaker 5: I got the AFC North where any team can make

657
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Speaker 5: the playoffs, and I could sing any one of these

658
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: teams in the NFC North can make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think you get dart Mark there too. Why

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Speaker 1: why in that situation right in the eye? Gotcha in

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Speaker 1: the eye? Patch for life?

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Speaker 4: All right?

663
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: Up next Jordan defending Division champion Lions.

664
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Speaker 3: There's really no other way to put it at this point.

665
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: The Lions know what they are about under Brad Holmes.

666
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: This is a team that is gonna flat out pick

667
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: players they like or are best available on their board,

668
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: regardless of perceived positional value or consensus charting I also

669
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: saw some commentary about the trades up. I get that,

670
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: but I want to reiterate that Holmes came up through

671
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: Less Snead and the Rams. When Sneid felt the roster

672
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: was ready to break through up to the next tier,

673
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: he started swinging hard regardless of the cost. And what

674
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: some don't realize is that to NFL teams, it's not

675
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: just playoff team or not playoff team. Once you become

676
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: a playoff team, there are actual tiers to the dance,

677
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: like breaking glass into legitimate Super Bowl contention. I get

678
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: the concern, and they have to be the right players,

679
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: but at least the Lions have told us who they

680
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: think they are. They want to win, they think they

681
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: can now, and the cost doesn't matter. Wondering about the

682
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 3: quarterback extension, I'm really curious to see what the framework

683
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: of a possible Jared Goff extension might be. And good

684
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: for him, by the way, absolutely, and you said it.

685
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: I believe around Philadelphia spamming an area need. Their cornerbacks

686
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: are an issue for them last year, and they go

687
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: and they draft two quarterbacks cornerbacks at the top of

688
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 2: this draft. So if that defense takes a step and

689
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: the offense kind of remains where it is. Yeah, they

690
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: were final four team last year.

691
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: They had a seventeen point lead in the NFC Championship game.

692
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is like, unlike some of these

693
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: other teams that spam a position, this was kind of

694
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 5: like their last overt position of need and they and

695
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 5: it happened perfectly for them, And like Terry and Arnold,

696
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 5: to go to them is a total coup. I would

697
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 5: just one question about Brad Holmes, like, because it's hard

698
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: to get to know these gms from a distance, Like

699
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 5: what kind of words would you use to characterize them?

700
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 5: Because I think he's been one of the quickest team

701
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 5: builders around.

702
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: I think he's brilliant a lot of the stuff that

703
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: the Rams would get sort of external praise for when

704
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: they were identifying middle and late round players, Like Brad

705
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: was one of the people who helped set and identify

706
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: that framework and who really pushed for that type of

707
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: thinking along with Less and some of the other people

708
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: in that building. So this doesn't surprise me at all

709
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: to see him killing it.

710
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: But it like the Rams, he's not afraid to do

711
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: things differently. I mean they're feeling themselves. They traded a

712
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: future third for a kid from Canada, and then they

713
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 4: drafted a safety who had twenty eight snaps at running

714
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: back to play running back. So it's like they're feeling themselves.

715
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: I would push back slightly that they don't have any needs.

716
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: I don't think. First of all, they could use another

717
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 4: receiver for sure, and then they absolutely need another pass

718
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: rusher like Aiden Hutchinson needs help. Maybe it's James Houston.

719
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 4: They put a lot of resources there. To me, they're thin.

720
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: There were reports they actually were kind of trade up

721
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 4: for Darius Robinson until Terry and Arnold the cornerback fell,

722
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: and so that shows that they had an internal kind

723
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: of thought too. We maybe need a little more beef up.

724
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 5: They just don't have like, oh my god, this is right,

725
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: costs nothing, crazy, pretty solid all over the place.

726
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: I agree.

727
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: The Detroit fanbez love Love Love affair for Jared Goff

728
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: is so sweet, just chanting his name throughout the draft,

729
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: just independent of anything.

730
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: It's just like, I.

731
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 5: Mean, they had a few beers in them, I'm sure,

732
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 5: but that's it was. I knew it was coming, so

733
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 5: I stopped talking. Also, many of them were completely sober.

734
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 5: I would imagine there were there was just love that

735
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: this underdog quarter as much as an underdog could be.

736
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: A former first round, first overall pick, Jared Goff is

737
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 5: really a guy that they've gotten behind, is an overlooked

738
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 5: entity that rows up. I'm not suggesting you need drunk

739
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 5: to like Jared Goff. I think he's earned the many ways.

740
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: That's important to clarify. Raggy on the rise in Green

741
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: Bay Packers.

742
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Jordan Love's going to get a new

743
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 4: contract this offseason. I think Jared Goff, as we just mentioned,

744
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: will as well, and those come later in the offseason.

745
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: We talked about how the first three picks the Packers

746
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: took in this draft I think are going to be

747
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 4: able to play right away. They're still a little short

748
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 4: at cornerback. I think they could be a Stefan Gilmour team.

749
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 4: They would make some sense to me. But I'm looking

750
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: at their receiver group and I'm just curious, how do

751
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: you guys think they're gonna shake out? You got Romeo Dobbs,

752
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: Christian Watson, Jayden Reid. I feel like we kind of

753
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 4: know who Jaden Reid is and Doantavian Wick's Like I'm

754
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: fascinated to just see how these four line up, because

755
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 4: to me, they all have potential to be like twelve

756
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 4: hundred yard receivers, and yet it's a good problem to have.

757
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: I don't know how they're going to line up one

758
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 4: to four.

759
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: To that point, I almost wonder if we see Matt

760
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: Lafleur do more with the tight ends this year. It

761
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: seemed like that was something when they drafted last year,

762
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: seemed like something that they might trend to. And then

763
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: mid season you saw them doing a lot of this

764
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: similar stuff as Sean McVay with some of that you know,

765
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 3: escort motion, the sifts and the run game, those types

766
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: of things as well as you know, getting those tight

767
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 3: ends going. So I think that maybe we could see

768
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: that too. And yeah, it's it's crowded, but I mean

769
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: Jordan Love can throw it all around the yard.

770
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: So right, That's why it's like the Bears optimism is great.

771
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 4: It's like you look at the Packers and the lines,

772
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 4: those teams seem further along.

773
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: They all grew up so quickly, and it's I guess,

774
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 5: you know, when it comes to the wide receivers, and

775
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 5: like in today's league, if you're a team without that

776
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 5: clear dominant number one alpha guy, like you can kind

777
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 5: of use him in a lot of different ways, and

778
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 5: I think some there was some unexpected growth and regression

779
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 5: by some of them last year too, So it's like

780
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 5: get him on the field and see what happens and

781
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 5: let like the hot horse run it.

782
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: The hot horse.

783
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: The Christian Watson side of this is kind of interesting

784
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: because they did. Everybody developed very quickly, as did the quarterback,

785
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: and Watson, who was the apparent breakout star in the

786
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: final Rogers season, was not really the guy that we

787
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: were talking about by the end.

788
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: That's who I was, like, we're sort of pointing to

789
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,479
Speaker 1: the right, so.

790
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: Like wide receiver four at this point, I would say.

791
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: And that's interesting, Like where does he fit in because

792
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: he's had issues staying healthy. Did you know that he

793
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: has worked with a quote spec show lab who addresses

794
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: hamstring issues.

795
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: What kind of lab?

796
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: A special hamstring lab?

797
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, hamstring lab.

798
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So keep an eye on on Watson and where

799
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: he fits in on this because he was super dynamic

800
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: at the end of twenty two and now maybe he's

801
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: healthy in twenty four.

802
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Those labs are often like in Sweden, by the way,

803
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: isn't it weird? That's always the way to get on

804
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: the plane.

805
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: Fun fact at tip to our friend Justice over at

806
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: ACME Packing Company, the Packers have added thirty five players

807
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: in the last three drafts, most of any team since

808
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, thirteen first to third rounders and twenty

809
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: two in the other rounds. Basically, that's called dart throwing,

810
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: no pun intended for the Nature program.

811
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: The dart fires.

812
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: It's volume. It's volume drafting those a couple of those

813
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: guys are bound to work out out when you have

814
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: the ability to draft with that kind of a volume.

815
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: You can only draft with that kind of a volume

816
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: if you already have your QB and they have their QB.

817
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: Unbelievably done first time in studio, doing around the NFC,

818
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: sticking the landing there.

819
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna burst into tears at any minute.

820
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: All right, let's move. Let's move to the Minnesota Vikings.

821
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, if you're nervous, I'd like to see

822
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: what you're like when you're cool. Colmon, collected, you're killing it, Jordan,

823
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: give me a new clock. Give me that new clock anyway.

824
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: The Vikings deserve it.

825
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

826
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: Two fun plots to track around the two time around

827
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: team of around the NFL. Okay, will Sam Darnold be

828
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: able to hold off JJ McCarthy in a summer camp competition?

829
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: Will McCarthy ever even get a true opportunity to be

830
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: the Week one starter? We know he's gonna play, but

831
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: how does this summer breakdown? And then there's the defense,

832
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: which was, you know, an absolute sieve in twenty twenty

833
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: two despite their great record, they improved to a middle

834
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: of the pack unit statistically under Brian Flores, and now

835
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: talent continues to flow in on that side of the ball,

836
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: and it makes a possibility that this team defense could

837
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden become team strength. And it's also

838
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: a reminder scheme change, coordinator change, and a few players

839
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,959
Speaker 2: how quickly you could turn around a unit in this league.

840
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: So my general takeaway here, the Vikings are not going

841
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: to be many people's darling pick to get back to

842
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs, especially in this division, which we've just broken

843
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: down is very competitive, But disregard them at your own peril.

844
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: And yes, if Samwich.

845
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 4: I think Sam has a little chance.

846
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: I was surprised reading up on them ahead of this

847
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 2: today that I kind of assume once they took McCarthy there,

848
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: and he's a veteran guy. I mean, he you know,

849
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: played a lot in college and was a quote unquote winner.

850
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: Felt like a Week one guy. But they not necessarily

851
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 2: is that their path here.

852
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: To pivot a little. I do get trading up for

853
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 3: Dallas Turner, great player, even though they you know, they

854
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: have defensive players. Even though the moves they made in

855
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: free agency. I do remember Van Ginkle had hurt foot

856
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: into the spring, so maybe you're kind of just making

857
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: sure you're shoring up that position just in case. And

858
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: you know, I think my colleague Alex Lewis at the

859
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 3: Athletic pointed out a little bit worried about their interior

860
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: offensive line. We're talking about another slider framed guy, Tyler Williams,

861
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: who runs their sports science department over there in Minnesota.

862
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: He will have had the DEXA scan will have He

863
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: will know like what he still needs to add and how,

864
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: and also importantly like how long it's gonna take, in

865
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 3: particular with what they're dealing with on the offensive line.

866
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the thing that could get McCarthy

867
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: in there, if not just by week one, I just

868
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 5: assume week one at this point. But that's fine, but

869
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 5: you've got Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison Hawkinson, Aaron Jones, and

870
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 5: you're you're right. Like their interior line, you know, per

871
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 5: PFF is a bit of a trouble, but this is

872
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 5: a good starting place for any rookie compared to some

873
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 5: places you could go.

874
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: I'm it is outstanding, especially with the coaching, and I'm

875
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 4: really encouraged they invested so much in the defense because

876
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: I'd be worried that Floris's defense will come back to

877
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 4: the like you see that big one year bumped. When

878
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 4: you change schemes sometimes and you're doing something creative, can

879
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: you keep that going into year two? It usually doesn't

880
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: happen the way. That's why I'm a little worried about

881
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 4: Schwartz and the Browns too. It's just like when you

882
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: pop up that high and you're creative. Like but they

883
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: added Town, they added Grenard, they added Blake Cashman, they

884
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 4: added Van Gyinkle, they added Dallas Turner.

885
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: You had that much talent, they should be better. They

886
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 5: have a lot for Dallas Turner, but they've got to

887
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 5: love them, I believe to that point.

888
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: I think they only have three picks right now in

889
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.

890
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 5: But they didn't have to trade up a bundle to

891
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: get McCarthy at all.

892
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: Net Holmes, he wasn't at a bounce mark. You just

893
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: shot him a glare, but he has.

894
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 5: To I'm not glaring at him, but I feel like

895
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 5: I've been better behaved on this like quasi fugeese dart

896
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 5: situation than most during these.

897
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Quasi dart situation.

898
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 5: Hey, I just has been a problem for me, and

899
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: I acknowledge that, so I'm gonna try to work on it.

900
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 5: The second half of the show, I think where when

901
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: you wear the black button up, you're kind of like

902
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 5: that bad boy Sessler comes out the Bad Angels, and

903
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 5: that doesn't take long. That doesn't take too much effort

904
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 5: for that my favorite. All right, let's take a break

905
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: and come back with the NFC South. All right, we're back,

906
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 5: Let's keep moving. We got Jordan Rodrigue here. She's killing it.

907
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: She keeps saying she's nervous, but she's not performing as

908
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: if she's nervous.

909
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: You wouldn't know. And she keeps reminding us that it's happening.

910
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: Right, I would say, I would say unsolicited advice. You

911
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: don't have to keep saying your nerves.

912
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: Just feel like you guys can.

913
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: No, You're good, You're good, You're doing great. We're having

914
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: a great time with you. I feel like the show

915
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: has been very informative, and dare I say entertaining.

916
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: That's what we're going for.

917
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: Entertainment, informative, then diagram and then it's just a big

918
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: Jordan's head right in the middle. You're killing it. So

919
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: let's move forward now with utter and complete confidence.

920
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: How about that?

921
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: Okay, that was.

922
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: The pep talk. Let's go into the NFC South with

923
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: the Falcons.

924
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: I don't have much to add to the Fenix Cousins

925
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: dialogue that hasn't already been covered off this show and beyond,

926
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: but I do have one extra thought. After once watching

927
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: the Rams trade away their former quarterback, a number one

928
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: overall pick who they signed to a massive extension they

929
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: had not started paying yet that turned into a huge

930
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: amount of dead money, it's clear to me many teams

931
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: are starting to fear less and less the financial capital public,

932
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: questioning consequences of their own actions as long as they

933
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: ultimately get the quarterback right, and that's the big As

934
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: long as too has to still be the right guy

935
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: I'm a Michael PENNOCKX fan. I think he rules. I'm

936
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: less worried about the age and injury stuff than other

937
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: people might be. I also understand why they had went

938
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: and got cousins when they did, and why they did.

939
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: Just the decisions in sequence and not each in a

940
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: vacuum is what is breaking our brains, and rightfully so.

941
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, someone just needs to

942
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: get the freaking ball to Kyle Pitts elsewhere in their draft.

943
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: I loved the Brandon Dorles pickup. He's super underrated in

944
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: my opinion. I heard he was popular on a lot

945
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: of teams draft boards. He can rush the heck out

946
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: of the quarterback. He's versatile. If Jimmy Lake is moving

947
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: to a three to four, it looks like the falcon

948
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: are seeking out bigger edges, dynamic three techs who could

949
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: possibly do some four four I stuff concerned about corner depth.

950
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: There are a couple older free agents out there, including

951
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 3: Akello Witherspoon, who has a connection with Raheem Morris and

952
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: Lake the like.

953
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 5: There's all everything's been said about the cousins part of it.

954
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 5: The only thing that it's because I was supported it

955
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: when it happened, and I think, Greg, you like just

956
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 5: go get all the quarterbacks you need, and this is

957
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 5: the league today. The way it happened in the order

958
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 5: is you know, eyebrow raising. But there is like there

959
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 5: is a suggestion out there that Cousins is a little

960
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 5: bit more sensitive than other types of quarterbacks. And if

961
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: there's a reason you can't operate in the you know,

962
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 5: in training camp or the preseason. I think the type

963
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: of quarterback that Penix is with like these laser arm,

964
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 5: like the strongest arm around, like that just gets into

965
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 5: the mind of everyone and maybe that's there the mind

966
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 5: of Kirk Cousins and the fan base because it's son.

967
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 5: You've got this like Titanic like potential behind Kirk Cousins.

968
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 5: That to me is a little unsettling from a team angle.

969
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: The human part of it is the most concerned. I

970
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 4: don't think you can spend too many resources and quarter

971
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: but it is concerning, especially with the guy that we

972
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 4: all remember, like everyone has this image of like it

973
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 4: was MVP candidate Kirk because like, dude, I've seen that

974
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins a ton of times over the last twelve years.

975
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: And what usually happens is like a five game slump,

976
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: Like he's not always that guy. He's also coming off

977
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: an achilles. So it does add a lot of drama

978
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 4: to the mix, especially because I don't think the defense

979
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 4: will necessarily support them. They need their offense to be

980
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: good talent wise, it's it's not a good defense, huh.

981
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: And that's and that's why part of the process that

982
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: felt flawed to me and many others out there is like,

983
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: then use a top ten pick on a defensive player,

984
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: or trade down and take two defensive players. It would

985
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: have made so much more. They just to me, would

986
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: it boils down to this if you would have gotten

987
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: a lower tiered quarterback like a hold the Ford guy,

988
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 2: and then gotten Panix, everything makes sense, Like everything checks out.

989
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: It's that investment cousins that will always irk.

990
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: Me and many others.

991
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we could to o it if we want,

992
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: if we want to continue to talk about it, but.

993
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: I think we have we will yeah shah we shah.

994
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: All right, here we go.

995
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: Greg on the Panthers, like the concept of Jonathan Brooks

996
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: behind this media offensive line that they've invested in. I

997
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 4: like that they kept the Giro. Everro who you're familiar with,

998
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: you know intimately there Jordan just in terms of he

999
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: was there with the Rams, But like, I don't love

1000
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 4: that they have less talent on their defense. You know,

1001
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 4: they did trade away Brian Burns. Lagette seems like a

1002
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: boomer bust pick. I want to have optimism, but I'm

1003
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: not feeling it, Like do we does anyone else have

1004
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: any optimism here?

1005
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: I think Dave Kanalis is the reason for optimism, based

1006
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 5: on his solely on his work with quarterbacks that were,

1007
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 5: you know, on the edge of non existence before he

1008
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 5: took over. I thought though the Robert Hunt signing was

1009
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 5: really important and good along the offensive line. Yeah, we

1010
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: don't know about Lagett, and but I think Jonathan Brooks

1011
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 5: it's like, if anything, it happened almost a year or

1012
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 5: too late in an exposed Bryce Young a year ago,

1013
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 5: and we don't really have a full read on what

1014
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 5: he is at this point.

1015
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned.

1016
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 5: But yes, it was the off season to throw resources

1017
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 5: at your quarterback and get a quarterback coach that can

1018
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 5: come in and help them.

1019
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: If Legette was going into a Frank Reich offense, I

1020
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 3: wouldn't have liked the pick. I like the pick because

1021
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: I think that they'll do more. They're going to do

1022
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: more emotions, misdirection shifts, you know, stuff that makes sense.

1023
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: And I think that one of the quotes from the

1024
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: post draft press conference captured by the Great Panthers beat

1025
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,959
Speaker 3: writer Joe Person. Yes that is his real name, legend. Yeah,

1026
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 3: just for the audience, Like Joe Person, You're like, okay,

1027
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 3: I see in the Missing Person's program.

1028
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: That's like back when like like uh, when they you

1029
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 5: get your last name based on like if you were

1030
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 5: a carpenter.

1031
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: This like it's just this Joe Person and Island. It's like,

1032
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: I don't know he.

1033
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 3: Is indeed a person. That's what he wants you to believe.

1034
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 3: So this, this quote really stood out to me. You

1035
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: can give them the ball in different ways including carries.

1036
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: Please God, let us see more motions, misdirection sweeps, quick game,

1037
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: lots of different layers, three tiers in your route concepts

1038
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: and let's see. Uh this guy turned into the do

1039
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: it all Deebo Samuel and he seems like you're great dude.

1040
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1041
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: And and I guess the optimism Greg is it can't

1042
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: be worse than last year. And you dedicated in free agency.

1043
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: You spent money to help the protection side of things.

1044
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: Three or first four picks are offensive players. Hopefully the scheme,

1045
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: as we're saying, is more imagined Toante Johnson and you

1046
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: just you and you figure some things out. And people

1047
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: that are really draft heads are saying, this kid Bryce Young,

1048
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: do not count him out. He got screwed in so

1049
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: many ways. He would drop back. His receivers are getting

1050
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: no separation, he's not getting protected. Nobody would have had

1051
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: a chance. So maybe this year, maybe this year, we

1052
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: will be better than yours.

1053
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: He reminds me so much of Alex Smith in terms

1054
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: of playing style. In terms of the catastrophic rookie year,

1055
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: Alex Smith had the worst rookie year of any top

1056
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: shelf quarterback I've ever seen. They brought a North Turner

1057
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: his second year and suddenly he was league average.

1058
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the path team around the NFL.

1059
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: Our original teamer around the NFL. The Carolina Panthers.

1060
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay, the Saints.

1061
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: The Saints have a lot of work to do to

1062
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: get this roster back to true Super Bowl contention, and

1063
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: the draft wasn't ideal toward that goal, With only two

1064
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: selections out of the first one forty nine on the board. Still,

1065
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: they added a blue chip, prospected offensive line potential Marshall

1066
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: Lattimore successor and teammate at corner.

1067
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: That made sense.

1068
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on the QB position this fall because

1069
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: New Orleans drafted Spencer Rattler with one hundred and fiftieth pick.

1070
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: He's a guy that's got, you know, some tools, and

1071
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: people kind of into him in terms of that type

1072
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: of mid round QB. Given Derek Carr and everything around

1073
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, You're gonna imagine if this team is middle

1074
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: of the road or worse like last year, it's gonna

1075
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 2: get really loud, really quickly around a quarterback change.

1076
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: Ted Wynn did an article on a bunch of people

1077
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: talking about quarterback mechanics, and people were raving. Coaches were

1078
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 3: raving about Spencer Rattler's mechanics. So might be kind of

1079
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: a sneaky good I'll defer to groa things because I

1080
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: know you're a fan, but.

1081
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 4: I'm not a fan.

1082
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: I do follow him, yeah, but I think he's maybe

1083
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: maybe a sneaky maybe a sneaky good pick there.

1084
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: He reminds me of a little Sam Howell in terms of

1085
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 4: a guy that you thought might be a first round

1086
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: pick at some point and probably even more talented as

1087
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: a thrower and could develop. So that was a good

1088
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 4: dart throat. I do think the new Derek Carr contract

1089
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 4: really slipped under the radar this year as they continued

1090
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: to kick the can down the corner, down the road

1091
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: or whatever. In terms of trying to save salary cap space.

1092
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 4: They've had like the normal off season everyone wanted. Finally

1093
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: they did stay quiet. It's a pretty normal draft, but

1094
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: they did kick more future money into Derek Carr's contract

1095
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: into twenty five, so it'll be more painful if they

1096
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 4: do want to get rid of him. It feels like

1097
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 4: he's going to be there the next two years.

1098
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: They I mean part of it.

1099
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 5: I kind of like their draft up top, except that

1100
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 5: you were forced to take a tackle and they'd taking

1101
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 5: an offensive or defensive lineman in the first round of

1102
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 5: nine of the last ten drafts.

1103
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: So they've got a type, they've got a thing they

1104
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: like to do.

1105
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 5: But you had to do that because of Ryan rams

1106
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 5: Check and you had to go get Kuoloid McKinstry. Because

1107
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 5: I'm not assuming this, but I think the Marshawn Lattimore

1108
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 5: is sort of the last piece of drama surrounding the

1109
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 5: NFC South.

1110
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned that their top four cornerbacks are

1111
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: Pulse in a Day, a debo, kool Aid, mckinnistry, Marshaun

1112
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 4: Lattimore is obviously number one, and Alontae Taylor. That is

1113
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: a loaded cornerback room. It's kind of awesome, but you're right.

1114
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder if someone gets dealt in training camps,

1115
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: and it might not be Latimore. It could be like

1116
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 4: a debo who's in a contract ere It could be

1117
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: Alontae Taylor who has been a little up and down,

1118
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 4: but people would be into those cornerbacks.

1119
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 3: I like the McKinstry pick. Yeah, I think he's I

1120
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 3: mean that dude's a badass. I think that's a great pick.

1121
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: Got him at forty one.

1122
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: Lannis Allen knows how to they know, they've known an

1123
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 4: Mickey Loomis has known how to pick corners.

1124
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 2: There was, by the way, talk around Rattler and why

1125
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: did he fall to the fifth round?

1126
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: And one of them was that he appeared on.

1127
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: A reality TV show in high school in which he

1128
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 2: came off extremely PA watched I must dig it up.

1129
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: I must, I mean I think number one.

1130
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 5: People grow and change, and that's what his camp was

1131
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 5: trying to stress. But it is an unpleasant watch. It's

1132
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: not great for his cure.

1133
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: I let I kind of led him into not purposely,

1134
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: but I was. I needed that.

1135
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: I was providing information. But you had an option. You

1136
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: had an option there. You could have I.

1137
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 5: Gets caught staring at you and then I'm not watching

1138
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 5: the clocks right.

1139
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: But you had the option there to to fully flesh

1140
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: that out what you did, which the show needed. Or

1141
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: you could have just sat there quietly and let it

1142
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 2: the clock tick out and then it's a worse show.

1143
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: But you don't take a doctor that fight.

1144
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 6: If it makes you feel any better. I feel like

1145
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 6: really bad every time I shoot the darted Mark.

1146
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that does make me. I see it coming

1147
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: from like a mile away. Yeah, and I'm like, I

1148
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: have to go.

1149
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: I should do better.

1150
00:51:58,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: I should feel bad.

1151
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but he like drew me into that,

1152
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: Dan especially it turns his head and gives you those

1153
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: Manson lamps.

1154
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, I feel bad. I feel bad, all right?

1155
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: That is is that the NFC South?

1156
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 4: No it is not.

1157
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 5: Uh, there is one more, one more defending champion.

1158
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna get the Manson lamps. They are the

1159
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: defending division champions.

1160
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 5: Somehow the Bucks go Mark Goree sort of like a

1161
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 5: meat and potatoes draft for the Bucks. I think Graham Barton,

1162
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 5: the more I've read about him, it's like round one tough,

1163
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:32,959
Speaker 5: immediate starter at center.

1164
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: They really needed that.

1165
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 5: Both Bucks guards last year Brent Brettison and Cody Mack,

1166
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 5: who I really liked the look of in terms of

1167
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 5: his wild madness, but they were pretty, they hop but

1168
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 5: mostly cold. A year ago they were twenty seventh in

1169
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 5: rushing EPA. The Bucks they were twenty six and short

1170
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 5: yarded situations. They had PFF's fifth worst run blocking great,

1171
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 5: and it's like, if you want this Baker thing to continue,

1172
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 5: I think Baker's been a little over praise for this,

1173
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 5: like great season he had, but like for this to

1174
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 5: happen two years ago, Baker, you got to you need

1175
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 5: a better ground game, and so I think this was

1176
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 5: a smart pick. I do a question for Jordan though,

1177
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 5: because Mayfield is onto his like four hundred and forty

1178
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 5: fourth offensive coordinator after Canalis went to Carolina, so he

1179
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 5: does know Liam Cohen a little bit to some degree.

1180
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 5: But there have been weird whispers about Cohen in other places,

1181
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 5: not totally being a favorite of everyone. Like do you

1182
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 5: think this can be a smooth transition for Baker? I

1183
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 5: just don't like quarterbacks that the switch schemes and coordinators

1184
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 5: every three hundred and sixty five days.

1185
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Liam and Baker will get along

1186
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 3: really well. And like I said, so much happened in

1187
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: twenty two to the Rams, some outside their control, some

1188
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: inside their control, and it just was an all around disaster.

1189
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: No one person was the reason for that disaster. It

1190
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: was all around to total.

1191
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: But if you had to make one person, it was

1192
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 4: probably Liam Cohen.

1193
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: It was Greg actually spin held it. But yet no,

1194
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: I mean he Baker is a player that Liam will

1195
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 3: know how to work with and use and like it'll be,

1196
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: I think it'll he will remind him of a lot

1197
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: of the college quarterbacks he had great success with. Maybe

1198
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 3: not the arm strength that he was working with with

1199
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: Will Levis, but you know, the timing stuff, the quick game,

1200
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: some of the underneath things that the Baker really can

1201
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 3: get into a rhythm very fast doing. That's that's right

1202
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: up Liam Cohen's alley. So I'm curious to see how

1203
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 3: it works. But I do know that there they'll get along.

1204
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: I mean they're they're both like they'll they'll be fine.

1205
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a ton of continuity and on both

1206
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 4: sides of the ball, especially the defense. And I just

1207
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 4: don't get why the Falcons are negative money to win

1208
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 4: this division, Like no way to me, Like I would

1209
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: happily take the.

1210
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: For those that don't dig in on that realm.

1211
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: Just like that it is more likely the odds are

1212
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: saying that the Falcons win from an addition than the

1213
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: other three teams combined. Essentially, it's it's like a greater

1214
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: than fifty percent chance they win the division, and the

1215
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: Bucks and the Saints are way behind them. It's just

1216
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 4: like I don't see that like people came sleeping on

1217
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 4: this buck S team. It's just a solid football team.

1218
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: Like people are just like throwing up their hands with

1219
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: the NFC south right, So it's hard to really just

1220
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: figure it out there overlooked though, they just get overlooked right.

1221
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 4: And to me, the three of them are in the

1222
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 4: same ballpark where it's like you're probably a below average

1223
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 4: NFL team, but one team's gonna win the division.

1224
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 3: I like the Jaylen McMillan pick one of my under

1225
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: the radar favorite picks really great underneath will help with

1226
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: that pop gun stuff that Baker likes to do.

1227
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: Also, why the Falcons should have taken a defensive player

1228
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: and went for the division and get a home game

1229
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: of the playoffs and you never know what happens. Whatever,

1230
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: Let's take a break and we'll finish it out with

1231
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 2: the NFC West.

1232
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: That right, we're back.

1233
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: We are closing out around the NFC in forty eight minutes,

1234
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: exactly forty eight minutes, not a second over with the

1235
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: NFC West and Greg get us going.

1236
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: With the Cards.

1237
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 4: The Arizona Cardinals, after they put Kyler Murray into the

1238
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 4: starting lineup with Drew Petzing as his eyes defensive coordinator,

1239
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 4: were ninth in EPA per play for the rest of

1240
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: the season. That is buoyed by being second in rushing.

1241
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 4: I think it's a good and Kyler is a big

1242
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: part of that because to me, get dirty, Yeah, I'm

1243
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 4: excited to get dirty with this UH team. Adding Marvin Harrison,

1244
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 4: I think they're a really well run offensive team. He

1245
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: was a good higher. I think they added the most

1246
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 4: exciting running back in the draft in Benson. Is this

1247
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 4: a top ten offense?

1248
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: Whoa all right, where were they finished? Where did they

1249
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: finished after Kyler came back?

1250
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 4: I mean, technically they were a top ten offense in

1251
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: EPA per play already, but that can you keep that

1252
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 4: up a whole season that that's obviously not the only

1253
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: stat out there. I think they got a chance to

1254
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 4: be pretty exciting.

1255
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Top ten feels rich, but they down the stretch.

1256
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 5: I think petsing is like a good play call comes

1257
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 5: from the Stefanski tree, and that's good for tight ends,

1258
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 5: that's good for I think, you know, we didn't like.

1259
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 4: Connor and Trey Benson are an awesome dude.

1260
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's like that was a lot of

1261
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 5: options around that, and like you know, Kyler looked good

1262
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 5: when he came back, but it's like a full off

1263
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 5: season together and all that. It's like there's a there's

1264
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 5: there's signs to suggest they could like pick up where

1265
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 5: they left off. They're well coached team.

1266
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, to thank you for making that point. Actually that

1267
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: goes into my notes, so that Mark, I knew you

1268
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: would have my back on this.

1269
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 4: Mark.

1270
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1271
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: I think they have some actually really talented up and

1272
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: coming coaches. Drew Tarrell, their new receivers coach Nick Rallis,

1273
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: their defensive coordinator. They're young guys, but I think they're

1274
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: super talented. I met Nick Rallis at a coaching incubator

1275
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and he was sitting on

1276
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: the offensive side, so he was trying to learn from

1277
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: from a lot of those guys. So there's there's something

1278
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: cooking under the radar there on the defensive side. I

1279
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: think Matthew Stafford said last year this was the one

1280
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: defense that he saw that kind of was like, what

1281
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: the hell is that? And they were kind of doing

1282
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: this walk around pre snap thing. It was really interesting,

1283
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: and then they just ran the ball for four hundred yards.

1284
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: So I'm curious, yeah, because it could take a big

1285
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: jump if Arvin Harrison is that guy. Kyler Murray is

1286
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray now, like we said, full year removed?

1287
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: Is he that guy again? I'm looking at some of.

1288
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: His you know, earlier years he rushed for He had

1289
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: ninety three rushing attempts as a rookie in sixteen games.

1290
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: I went up to one hundred and thirty three his

1291
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: second year. His third year and fourteen games, he was

1292
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: on pace to go over one hundred again last year

1293
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: in eight games forty four rushes, so a bit under

1294
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: that one hundred pace. Where where does he now? Like

1295
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: around one hundred rushes feels like a great spot for him,

1296
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 2: especially if he's moving well and feels good, and if

1297
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: he can add that element of his game back in

1298
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: full with having a big time number one wide receiver, potentially, Yeah,

1299
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: the offense could take a significant jump.

1300
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 5: I think one other thing, like Monte Austin, for it,

1301
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 5: two years in a row, has had a very rock

1302
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 5: solid plan with the draft, with the offseason, they look different,

1303
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 5: and I think their front office we know, I mean

1304
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 5: under Steve Kaine that was plaguing them for a long time.

1305
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Was that to the establishment? Yeah? That was our producer.

1306
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 5: No, no, no, it was not to the Randy's been the

1307
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 5: listeners about this. No, it's just Jordan, like the greater

1308
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 5: world or universe things. They are going to catch me,

1309
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 5: you're going beyond zero zero zero, And they didn't.

1310
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: Except they except you guys all did well.

1311
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: If there's no regard for the rules, So it's not

1312
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: it's not connected directly anymore to the team. Talk's that's

1313
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 2: a little understood.

1314
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: Aspect of all of this.

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Speaker 3: I'm new.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, here we go. Jordan your team, the Rams.

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: While few classes in recent history hit like the Rams

1318
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: did in twenty twenty three, there's a lot to like

1319
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: this year about the way they sought out the combination

1320
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 3: of Jared Verse and teammate Braden Fisk at nineteen and

1321
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: thirty nine. They overpaid to trade up for Fisk, but

1322
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm of the understanding that once the board fell their

1323
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 3: way and they got Verse, one of their three favorite

1324
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: players in the whole class and their top outside linebacker,

1325
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 3: they were always going to try to get Fisk, and

1326
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: they believed in paying more for the plug and play

1327
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: chemistry on a defensive line. Now without Aaron Donald, they

1328
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: did say they could never replace him with just one player,

1329
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 3: So here are two. Blake Korum the third round running back.

1330
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: Again a little high for generally what we see with

1331
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: running backs, but basically gives them Karen Williams and an

1332
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 3: intact scheme kind of left handed when Kien Williams was out.

1333
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: In light of his injuries, Throy miss four games in

1334
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. Also maybe wouldn't have been able to

1335
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: be healthy for a deeper postseason push he got hurt

1336
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: in that Detroit game. Rams fans do not want to

1337
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: hear this, I understand, But on the Matthew Stafford contract situation,

1338
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: Sean McVay kind of admitted that this situation is ongoing

1339
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: after rap Sheets initial report last Thursday night that Matthew

1340
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: Stafford wants more guaranteed money on his contract been simmering

1341
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: for a little while. I don't think it's anything to

1342
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: freak out about right now. He's at OTA's the Rams.

1343
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: It's kind of awkward a little bit. They made a documentary.

1344
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 3: It was really really well done. It was outstanding, but

1345
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: it was also parts of it where like how beat

1346
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 3: up he gets during a season. So when you enter

1347
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 3: that into the guaranteed money conversation, it's just something to

1348
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: keep an eye on. I do think they're going to

1349
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 3: try to find a win win solution, that's my opinion.

1350
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 3: The Rams spent the spring beefing up his offensive line

1351
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: and his run game. There's no reason to think that

1352
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: he won't or can't play a few more years. Like

1353
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 3: I said, he's been at voluntary Otia's, he's been throwing

1354
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: it around. Dude's a badass when he's healthy.

1355
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: Turned thirty six in February, so yeah, he's he's basically

1356
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: at Kirk Cousins' age. You think these guys have their

1357
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: body holds up two three more years and this is

1358
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 2: a window for the Rams to with this high level

1359
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: potential Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: We all like watched a lot of like Rams together

1361
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 5: in some of our Monday NFL Plus shows, and like,

1362
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 5: he looked as good as he's ever looked last season.

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01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: So I stick stayed the course there.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are wondering, like when

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01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 5: Karen Williams was not on the field, they were a

1366
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 5: different offense, and like he led the league and yards

1367
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 5: per game. I mean, he really hit the scene. But

1368
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 5: with Blake Korum, is it like, what's what happens fantasy wise?

1369
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 5: Do you think how they have both of them at

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01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 5: the same time.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't know. I know you were

1373
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 4: early on the like a big role. I might have

1374
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 4: a bigger role than cam Akers right.

1375
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: Right, because they signed Boston Scott too.

1376
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: I mean that's just you're looking at Kirene still being

1377
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 3: the lead rusher, the lead back. But over time, especially

1378
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: a long season, they expect to go to the postseason

1379
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: this year if they have Matthew Staffer a healthy Matthew Stafford.

1380
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 3: So over time, you're probably looking at an increase in

1381
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: Blake Korm's snaps. I don't know what the fantasy footballlanguage

1382
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 3: would be for that, but like stashing him or something,

1383
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 3: or maybe you know, get him and stash him handcuff?

1384
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Good time out? All right?

1385
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: We got to talk about this feature this monster too

1386
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: parter from Jordan. The second part is coming out later

1387
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: in the week. The first part dropped today Finding Rams

1388
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: colon one year behind the scenes of the NFL Draft

1389
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: scouting process. Comma Part one really well done, beautifully written

1390
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: and reported. Even we're talking about the artwork is tremendous

1391
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: by the athletic on it. Everybody's got to read it.

1392
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 2: I think just to get into this conversation, Jordan, because

1393
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: you obviously did a ton of work and you were

1394
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: embedded behind the scenes. There's an irony to me that

1395
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: that this team less need famously wore the f them

1396
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: Picks t shirt after they won the Super Bowl. But

1397
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: just because they didn't have first round picks doesn't mean

1398
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: that this team doesn't absolutely value and obsess over uh

1399
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: these draft classes. And you really go behind the scenes

1400
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: in a way that it's really illuminating in this piece.

1401
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I'm happy to be here to talk

1402
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: about it. First of all, I felt like last year

1403
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: when we talked about the play Caller series, you, Greg,

1404
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: you and Mark said some really nice things about what

1405
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: it reminded you of. And Dan just was.

1406
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: Not on that episode.

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went with hell thumbs down. I know he

1408
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: doesn't listen.

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01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: It was I was, it was six am and Tokyo. Yeah,

1410
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 4: that's so.

1411
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: But you guys also said something that resonated with me.

1412
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: And forgive me if my voice cracks, but you said

1413
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: that these are the types of things that that Wes

1414
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 3: would really get into for me that kept me pushing

1415
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 3: into this new space, which was very unfamiliar territory for me.

1416
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: I've covered a lot about team building, but I've never

1417
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: been behind the scenes in a scouting department for as

1418
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: long a period of time, the ten months as this was,

1419
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: And it was the entire time I was thinking, this

1420
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 3: is the coolest thing. This is so like to get

1421
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: to explain even a piece of what this looks like

1422
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 3: and how it works, it just like lit me up

1423
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 3: on the inside, and like I cannot emphasize enough, Like

1424
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: I mean, doing this project. Just like play Callers altered

1425
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 3: me forever, this also has altered.

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Speaker 5: Me for it, Like, if you had ten pages of

1427
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 5: notes for this episode, how much dense you know, research

1428
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: and personal literature came out, do you have stashed away

1429
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 5: somewhere like in your apartment or mansion wherever you live.

1430
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 3: Certainly not the athletic.

1431
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 4: They're paying botts their.

1432
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: Bucks, moving right along. So it was one hundred and

1433
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 3: eighty six pages of notes from on site, on site reporting.

1434
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: A lot of stuff was off the record, so you're

1435
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 3: not You're obviously not, you know, recording notes at that time.

1436
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: You're sort of absorbing and listening. And also I think

1437
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 3: like thirty seven post its around on like just to

1438
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: help set up structure and and all of those things.

1439
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: It's really fun when a project's ever to like peel

1440
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 3: the post its off, the off the cabinets, very satisfying

1441
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 3: and no longer look like a serial killer in my

1442
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 3: own home. But yeah, it was. It was an extraordinarily

1443
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: cool thing to get to do. The fact that James Gladstone,

1444
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: the director of Scouting, and Less Snead were open to it.

1445
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 3: James came up to me on the sideline at training

1446
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 3: camp and was like, love the play callers, wish there

1447
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 3: was one about scouts. And I looked at him for

1448
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 3: all of two seconds and I was like, can there be?

1449
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: And he thought I was joking and then I pitched

1450
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 3: it to him and Less and I think Less maybe

1451
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 3: still thought I was joking until about six months ago,

1452
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 3: and because I'd been in the meetings, I just kept

1453
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: showing up and then it just was this very cool

1454
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: There was a lot of trust there, which I don't

1455
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 3: take for granted, but I think they understood what I

1456
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 3: was trying to do. I wasn't trying to say this

1457
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: is better or worse so the other I was trying

1458
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: to amplify the process and the language of a group

1459
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: of people with continuity who have created this thing behind

1460
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 3: the scenes that works for them. Not to compare or

1461
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 3: contrast or anything like that, but to show how something works, right.

1462
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Speaker 4: That's what I took Part one is great. I'm really

1463
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 4: looking forward to part two, and one of my takeaways

1464
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 4: would just be I didn't understand. I don't think the

1465
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 4: average fan would understand just how different the rams certainly

1466
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 4: do the evaluation process. And then it made me think, like,

1467
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 4: there's probably they're not the only ones, and that each

1468
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 4: team is attacking this entire process in such a different way.

1469
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 4: And there's yeah, maybe the kind of is a way,

1470
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 4: a conventional way to do it, but like how many

1471
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 4: teams do you think, or like how many different ways

1472
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 4: are there? Because the way they do it, I suspect

1473
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 4: is totally their own way of doing it, And like,

1474
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 4: what did you find different about it?

1475
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 3: I think there are thirty two different ways of approaching this,

1476
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 3: And like I said, that's where I think we on

1477
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 3: the outside we get into rankings and grades and things

1478
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: like that. But like, if their process works for them

1479
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: and it's different to another process and another building, they're

1480
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 3: not weighing that or leveraging that. They're looking for what

1481
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 3: fits them. And some teams do this very well and

1482
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 3: have a very functional behind the scenes process for a

1483
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: draft calendar. And as you see, like some teams just

1484
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: can't seem to find that a momentum or can't seem

1485
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: to like sort of gather themselves. One of the things

1486
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: that's really I learned one of the biggest things I

1487
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 3: learned from this reporting this out over the last year

1488
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 3: was this isn't really about players or picks, Like the

1489
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 3: result This is more about the process and the language

1490
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: of that process, and how they basically built an alphabet

1491
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: and then evolved it over time into a language that

1492
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: builds out what it is exactly that they do. And

1493
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 3: I know that sounds like kind of galaxy brain or

1494
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 3: like you know what you were reading at Camp Happiness,

1495
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 3: but at the same time, it's it's so it's a

1496
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 3: living thing, this language. And I think the number one

1497
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 3: reason why failure compounds in NFL buildings is the loss

1498
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 3: of that language when quick too quick turnover. Whether it's

1499
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: in the scouting for an office department, department, personnel department,

1500
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: or even the coaching staff that also has to assimilate

1501
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 3: and help build and evolve out that language. And this

1502
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: is one of the most They've been together for so

1503
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 3: long at this point, not just Lesson Sean, but that

1504
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 3: entire scouting department has been together for at least a decade,

1505
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 3: and they have built out this language that it's a

1506
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 3: living thing at this point.

1507
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 5: One quick thing is there's also a very human element

1508
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 5: to this, because I've always thought like the life of

1509
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 5: a scout would be very appealing to a certain personality

1510
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 5: if you like, don't mind being like a road Warrior

1511
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 5: out on the grind like it's related, so you show

1512
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 5: how much it's relationships with schools. But one little thing,

1513
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 5: like here's what scouts do, what they like? They have

1514
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 5: like a coda it said, stay at hotels with free breakfast,

1515
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 5: fill an insulated coffee cup with eggs and bacon, and

1516
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 5: bring it to the school to consume mid morning.

1517
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one commatable psychotic.

1518
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: I noted that in my notes as well, what are

1519
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 2: we doing we get a fresh breakfast.

1520
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 5: I just want to see what it looks like. You

1521
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 5: got to save the dollars and cents.

1522
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 4: But they don't have time because they're at this place

1523
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 4: and they're not going to get fed while they're there

1524
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 4: all day.

1525
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: I guarantee you thirty one teams are reading what you wrote, Jordan,

1526
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: because sorry, Less there's a reason why there's and they

1527
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: weighed that, I'm sure, but like there's a reason why

1528
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: good teams stay good and bad teams stay bad. And

1529
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: look at and look at the Rams to go from

1530
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 2: seventeen through twenty three without a first round pick but

1531
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: remain pretty consistently one of the better teams in the

1532
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: NFC shows you how they've been able to keep the

1533
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: roster churning and stay competitive despite having those high end picks.

1534
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: I thought, that's very interesting.

1535
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to read here, so you

1536
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: were talking about this almost sentient process they have now

1537
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 2: the most and I'm going to read Jordan's reporting here

1538
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: and writing most NFL teams and by the way, this

1539
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: is why Northeastern Classico two, this is why journalism matters.

1540
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: Sports journal It's fun what we do, but having people

1541
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: that are really smart and curious to be able to

1542
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: go behind the scenes and then write something like this

1543
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: and allow us to understand the sport in a different,

1544
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: smarter way.

1545
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jordan to the Athletic. Now I'm going to

1546
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,520
Speaker 1: read what you wrote.

1547
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 2: Most NFL teams have a data and information processing system,

1548
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 2: usually constructed in house, in which scouts, coaches, medical staff,

1549
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,919
Speaker 2: front office executives, and others input notes on the players.

1550
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: The RAMS is is ja RS the Joint after Action

1551
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 2: Review system. They go on to say, it's valueized not

1552
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: only in its player data, it's the keeper of an

1553
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 2: entire language. Some RAM staffer's joke that the system will

1554
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: eventually need a new, more human senting acronym to reflect

1555
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 2: its approaching sentience. Now let me let me jump in

1556
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: if I might, and you could relay this or choose

1557
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 2: not to relay.

1558
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 3: I'm so happy now.

1559
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: So it's staring right at them.

1560
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 2: They want it's starting to feel like a human and

1561
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 2: they want to make give it a name that's human.

1562
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: And you got jaa r S.

1563
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 2: Okay, But what if it was joint after Action review

1564
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: value internalization system.

1565
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: Jarvis? Jarvis? Jarvis is right there, bang so close. Take

1566
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: it to less, Please take it to less. We've had

1567
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: less on the show.

1568
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 2: That would be my lasting input. Maybe I would get

1569
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: a super Bowl ring.

1570
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 3: You get a football.

1571
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: It's up to our football less.

1572
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 2: If there's a football to hand out, if it becomes Jarvis,

1573
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 2: that's all.

1574
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 4: It'd be nice if they had like a fourth round

1575
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 4: pick that meant a lot to them, that had actually

1576
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 4: been named Jarvis.

1577
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 3: I will tell you one last one last they probably

1578
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 3: knowing them, they would one last thing to add to.

1579
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 3: So much of us is still about Luck Part two,

1580
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 3: which releases Friday. There's some some moments in there that

1581
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 3: I think you guys will just get a kick out of,

1582
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: about how you can put in like to the nth

1583
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 3: degree amount of process and preparation and you can you

1584
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 3: can sound you know, like you're the expert strategist and everything,

1585
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 3: and then at the very last minute, some crazy could happen,

1586
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 3: right and and like just and some of it does

1587
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 3: come down to luck. I take people through the Pukina

1588
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 3: Kula pick in the fifth round. There was actually what

1589
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: people don't realize, there was actually a really interesting strategy

1590
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 3: behind that pick. They all say, now they should have

1591
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: picked them in the first but in the fifth round

1592
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: with their volume in there and draft, there was an

1593
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 3: interesting strategy that part two does go into and then

1594
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 3: but there also was luck. There also was a a

1595
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: crapload of luck in that pick as well. And they're

1596
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: the first to admit it was.

1597
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 5: Less need or is less neat because he's probably reading

1598
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 5: it right about now, annoyed that you've announced to the

1599
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 5: world that he doesn't know how to change a tire,

1600
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 5: which I think a lot of people I was a

1601
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 5: bit of a lot of ravio magnific See, I think

1602
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't.

1603
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: But you don't want it on record at people just

1604
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: to think that you probably.

1605
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 4: Gets pretty it's pretty privileged. Once again, beautiful man, all right,

1606
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 4: time in great.

1607
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 3: Job, Thank you, Thank you guys, seriously, did.

1608
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: You have an answer on the less thing?

1609
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 3: I guess you'll find out, but yeah, you'll I took

1610
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: it more as a retort. I'll get, you know, a

1611
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 3: text maybe like I took it more as a rhetorical.

1612
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: And I should say that that little story ends with

1613
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: less and a very masculine mess. Yes, that's hiring the

1614
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: tire into the brush. Yes, so it kind of kind

1615
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: of saves it a little bit. It's like, yeah, him

1616
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: and his buddy couldn't figure it out, but that tire went.

1617
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 5: I'm weird because that's like the thing I'll remember the

1618
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 5: most about the whole thing, and the eggs and bacon

1619
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 5: in a coffee cup.

1620
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: It's a strange, but let's know, Jarvis, Jarvis servis one

1621
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 2: signed football.

1622
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: I don't need anything else.

1623
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's time back in and head to the

1624
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers. Drama will continue to swirl around that

1625
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: wide receiver room this spring. Did the Niners take Ricky

1626
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: Piersoll because they planned to trade Ayuk or Samuel or

1627
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: perhaps an even more dramatic thought exercise for the rest

1628
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: of us, what if Piersall is a stud and he

1629
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: just makes the offense that much more wicked?

1630
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: Could this score? Could this team score five hundred points?

1631
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: You know that has not happened by the Bay since

1632
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 2: the Steve Young Niners of nineteen ninety four.

1633
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: I believe they won it all that year.

1634
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 2: The pressure will be immense for San Francisco to finally

1635
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: get over the hump this year. But this roster is

1636
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: as good as any in football. Stay healthy, stay out

1637
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: of trouble, and I think just get ready to watch

1638
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: the Niners kick some more ass this year.

1639
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: I feel very good about this team.

1640
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 5: I'd love to see a similar article about the way

1641
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 5: that they draft and develop talent, too, because I thought, like,

1642
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 5: to not trade your guys. But then get Ricky Parasol,

1643
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 5: who has dropped five passes since twenty twenty and just

1644
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 5: looks like a Shanahan type. And then there's a second player,

1645
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 5: Isaac Garndo, the running back who had the fastest forty

1646
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 5: in the combine, had the best vertical jump, and like

1647
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 5: Shanahan spoke about that player after the draft, and it

1648
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 5: was just like this was just another Shanahan guy. And

1649
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 5: it's like they added more nine er z stuff to

1650
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 5: a roster without stripping away sick.

1651
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: When you start to think about it, because you're talking

1652
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: about a running back. They have the best running back

1653
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: on the planet right there, so you could use that

1654
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: guy exactly where you want to dot him into the offense.

1655
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: It's it's an embarrassment of riches.

1656
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. Tim Kawakami, who works with me at

1657
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 3: the Athletic, he wrote some really interesting stuff about how

1658
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 3: you could really pinpoint some of their draft class this

1659
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 3: year and project them a year or two years from

1660
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 3: now as replacements for some people on their current roster,

1661
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 3: and like trade identification seemed very similar in that way.

1662
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 3: I found that to be fascinating, and it is interesting.

1663
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 3: They're looking they're trying to win the whole thing and

1664
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: trying to stay in that, like I said, that top

1665
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 3: tier of contention, but they also at the same time

1666
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 3: have to start looking toward the future too, and this

1667
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 3: draft class seemed like they're kind of doing that right.

1668
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't just pearsall. They had a fourth round pick,

1669
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 4: what was a cowing in the fourth round, like at

1670
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 4: wide receiver too, so you're trying to do both at

1671
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 4: the same time. I do just don't buy any trade talk,

1672
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 4: including for Juwan Jennings, who's entering a free agent year.

1673
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 4: And is going to get paid somewhere next year, probably

1674
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 4: not in San Francisco. Like there, all systems go. And

1675
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 4: if it had happened that they could have replaced it

1676
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 4: in the draft. Maybe it was a possibility, but they

1677
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 4: didn't get the right price. Like, no, they they know

1678
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: their window is now. There's no way to me that

1679
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 4: those guys are getting traded between now and week one.

1680
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 3: No chance.

1681
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: Not now.

1682
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 4: By the way, maybe been an offer, Oh there there was,

1683
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 4: and by the way, the last guy. And now I

1684
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 4: forget as any one find it that I remember Peter

1685
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 4: King was in the draft room for the forty nine

1686
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 4: ers when Kyle Shanahan like probably annoyed the entire scouting

1687
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 4: process and stood on the table for this running back

1688
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 4: that he wanted to trade up for. It was a

1689
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 4: big thing, and like the fourth round was like he

1690
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 4: was out of a league in a year.

1691
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: That happens too.

1692
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: Now I don't do this, Jordan, And on that side

1693
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 2: of table, sometimes there's some heat when certain individuals look

1694
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: at other people's laptops. We do have one remaining timeout,

1695
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: and I thought I saw it in bold like there

1696
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: was like time out here for the Niners.

1697
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: Was that not for the Niners. I was stuck in

1698
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 3: traffic for a long time today. Yes, I matched all

1699
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 3: of you guys to quarterbacks, like if you.

1700
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 5: Got time out, hold on, we've got a time Sorry.

1701
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: Seahawks, we will not be getting to you today.

1702
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 2: In fact, let's just cut everything that we've done to

1703
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 2: this point right out of the intro, right into what

1704
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 2: Jordan said.

1705
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: Cut everything I just said, just now.

1706
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: I can't believe you looked at my computer.

1707
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: To revealing okay, apologizing.

1708
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 3: So this, uh if you three were quarterbacks, and like

1709
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 3: I said, very this is all a compliment, Okay, Just

1710
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: so you're right. And also I listened to the show

1711
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 3: and and I have for a long time, and you know,

1712
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 3: we talk about things.

1713
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: And Mark's entire may is on the line. Right.

1714
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: But also but also I can't pretend to know you

1715
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 3: on like the deepest personal level. So if I'm wrong,

1716
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. But I think I'm right. Okay, Greg

1717
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 3: Rock Party short king who loves proving people wrong, Dan

1718
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: Dan Josh Allen, fun bit aficionado, Golden Retriever parentheses compliment.

1719
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah no, there's also the like a guy like a

1720
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: Kato Kalin Golden Retriever type. But I'll take that and

1721
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 2: I'll see Josh Allen's better than brock Party.

1722
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 1: So okay, right now.

1723
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 4: We're always I was smart that you understood Dan needed

1724
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 4: to be puffed up the most of any of us,

1725
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 4: So that makes the most.

1726
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: Listen, you're hitting out again.

1727
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: That's saying I called you a king.

1728
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 2: Do we can we get a little drum roll, little

1729
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: timpany for the Mark Sessler?

1730
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: Uh, this is really important.

1731
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 4: Mark.

1732
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: Wait, let's wait for the drums. We have them, then

1733
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,799
Speaker 1: actual band back. They're big funk all right, here we go, Jordan,

1734
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,560
Speaker 1: Here we go, Mark.

1735
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 3: Matthew, Stafford, Salt and Pepper bearded gunslinger with an appreciation

1736
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 3: for chaotic darkness.

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 5: Totally in Yeah, I was I had in my mind,

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 5: Stafford is what I was hoping for.

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01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 4: Right, No, I think those are a few that's both

1740
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 4: great choices and I got a system creation that no

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01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 4: one would want on their team with very few physical talent.

1742
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: Whispers of bench in December, one.

1743
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:40,879
Speaker 3: Short king.

1744
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: About the story of rock Perky.

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 4: If we're going on height, you know, then there's no

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01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 4: one well, Kyler, I guess you could if you wanted to.

1747
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 4: You know, Uh, there's no there's no short quarterbacks.

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01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: I think this.

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: I also I also had it that you were most

1750
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,440
Speaker 3: likely to correct my assessment.

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01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: Oh no, talk about the scouting fact.

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01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 2: This seems to have actually bothered you more than perhaps

1753
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: you were expecting it to.

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 4: I mean, Brock pretty the tough spot.

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01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: All right, excellent, great time out come on, Josh Allen.

1756
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: Now now I'm a Bills fan. All right, Time in

1757
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 2: and let's close it out. We have just enough time

1758
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 2: for the Seattle Seahawks and Matthew stat I feel.

1759
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: Like if if we did some AI.

1760
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 2: Like best case scenario for Sessler looks wise and you

1761
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 2: just change some things around. Okay, it's it's Stafford with

1762
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: those you know, gleaming new white teeth. He's gotten everything

1763
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 2: like that. That that would check out as well.

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01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 5: I don't think Matthew Stafford would play me if there

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01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,520
Speaker 5: was a film version.

1766
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: Of me like.

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01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:47,919
Speaker 4: Foot in eighty pounds.

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01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 2: But we just we film up, We film up, are

1769
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 2: tilted upward anyway.

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01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 5: Think I'll take that as a positive from you, Dan,

1771
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 5: I will assess that comment later.

1772
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: Well, it's camera magic. It's a go ahead.

1773
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: Oh by the way, you're looking at my screen again,

1774
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: I know what you're doing.

1775
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: I know that. Start this over all right, Mark started over.

1776
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 3: Sorry Mark, Sorry, Mattler.

1777
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: Here we go. We're not going to start it over

1778
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: the cloud.

1779
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 4: Let's start this clock over the.

1780
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: Closs and here we go, you know, sorry.

1781
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 5: Talking about Seattle's draft, one executive told Mike Sando, you're

1782
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 5: co worker at the Athletic.

1783
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: Nice guy. Mike is a very nice guy. Mike.

1784
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 5: The scout set of Seattle's draft. It looks like they

1785
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 5: went Baltimoreish meeting, build up both lines.

1786
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: And I love the Byron Murphy.

1787
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 5: This is me talking now, not the anonymous scout or

1788
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 5: Matt Stafford or Matt Stafford, but I like Byron Murphy

1789
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 5: is one of the guys that we were like catching

1790
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 5: up and watching him. I'm like, I love this dude,

1791
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 5: Like he is a chaos maker and like the kind

1792
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 5: of like a beating heart of the front seven.

1793
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: And other people are talking, you know, not Tepper.

1794
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 5: Maybe Tepper be talking about guard Christian Haynes as a

1795
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 5: steal at pick eighty one. And it's never too early

1796
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 5: for me to talk talk about roughly twenty two coaches

1797
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 5: as my Coach of the Year candidates, even here in

1798
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,560
Speaker 5: early May. There we go, here's one early vote for

1799
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 5: Mike McDonald. I think I am a total believer and

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01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 5: what he did in Baltimore, he systematically milks the very

1801
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 5: best out of his defensive roster.

1802
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: Plus, it will tell a good story.

1803
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 5: When Gino Smith is benched for Sam Howell prior to

1804
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 5: Week eleven is the five and five Seahawks rip off

1805
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 5: seven straight wins and route to a wild card Berth

1806
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 5: Welcome to tomorrowland.

1807
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: Ooh okay, the last time you got behind a coach

1808
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: with no experience was Brandon Staley, So maybe this will

1809
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: be this will be different.

1810
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: I you never know, Matt Ruhle.

1811
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 4: I hope that you know that's not the route that happens.

1812
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 4: He's intriguing. They've they've kind of had a quiet offseason.

1813
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 4: They kept their players, they haven't had a lot of

1814
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 4: people coming in or out, and yet I'm intrigued by

1815
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 4: them because of the coaches like Ryan Grubb is one

1816
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 4: of the biggest X factors in the entire NFL this year.

1817
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 4: What he did at Washington was super creative and just different,

1818
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 4: and he has a lot of talent to work with.

1819
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 4: Like Gino, there's continuity on the offensive line. I'm not

1820
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 4: sure if it's great, but the skill position continuity is fantastic,

1821
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 4: and this group has been together and they're talented like

1822
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 4: him with like an electric coach, could be exciting.

1823
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a Gino Smith fan, so maybe I'm back

1824
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 3: in your good grace.

1825
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, just give me Gino at least for the question.

1826
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 3: So, but grub Is, I think, like you said, I

1827
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 3: agree with you one hundred percent, Greg in this topic

1828
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 3: and most things in life. Probably I'm sweating. You know.

1829
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 3: It's an X factor here, especially with you know everyone

1830
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 3: when people watch Washing the Washington Huskies. Obviously Michael Penick

1831
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 3: stood out because of what he can do with the football,

1832
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 3: but if you look past that and you look at

1833
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 3: some of the route concepts, some of the pre snap movements,

1834
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 3: some of the alignments and the spacing that they were getting,

1835
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 3: I think that's perfect with Gino, and I think that's

1836
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 3: going to be really really fun to watch. I am

1837
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 3: curious see if Mike McDonald's defense is truly the Shanahan Killer.

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01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 3: I know that that was sort of the the energy

1839
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 3: of it in terms of why you make a higher

1840
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 3: like that and swing and swing like that, So it'll

1841
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 3: be I'll be curious.

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01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 1: Got her by milliseconds.

1843
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 3: I got kicked off the Wi FI.

1844
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 1: I will say two things, Gino.

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01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 2: The off season worked out great for Gino, right he

1846
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 2: Sam Howe's is backup. They didn't draft anybody of note,

1847
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 2: and then as much as we could spend. That was

1848
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: a pretty positive assessment of Seattle to me, clearly the

1849
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 2: third best team in the division.

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 5: That's tough, tough division. But yeah, and the Niners are

1851
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 5: one of those teams. I like teams that feel different.

1852
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 5: And I've always liked Pete Carroll. It's not a Pek

1853
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 5: Carroll thing, but it kind of is time and Mike McDonald,

1854
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 5: like they had this pre draft thing with him and

1855
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 5: John Schneider. It's like, you forget he's thirty six and

1856
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 5: he looks like really young, and it's like, wait a minute,

1857
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 5: what these coaches are like just just past that's agis.

1858
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: I like it. I'll say go for it, Pete Carroll.

1859
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 4: They remind me a little bit of the Cowboys, though,

1860
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 4: just in that they're Bill.

1861
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: And Pete shipped out of town, earned seventy bye bye.

1862
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 4: Like Seahawks could be very good. I think I don't think.

1863
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 4: I don't see them in the rams, like in a

1864
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 4: different tier of each other. They're they're both a different year.

1865
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 4: But if I had to put them in a pecking yard, right,

1866
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 4: I don't struggle put it this way, if either of

1867
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 4: them were in the NFC South, then I'm putting them

1868
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 4: as negative money to win the division money, including the Seahawks,

1869
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 4: I would I would put in that category. But the

1870
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 4: Seahawks feel a little bit of like the Cowboys, where

1871
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 4: there could be a lot of stress if things don't

1872
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 4: go right this year. There's just like Tyler Lockett, DK

1873
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 4: Gino some of the players on the defense, like are

1874
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 4: they gonna be with this regime long term? Is kind

1875
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 4: of open question?

1876
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 2: All right, we just went around the NFC in around

1877
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 2: forty eight minutes. Uh, let's give it up for Jordan

1878
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 2: Rodrigue and again check out her incredible deep dive journalism

1879
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 2: in sport Alive because of people like Jordan Rodrigue finding

1880
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 2: let me.

1881
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 1: Read it like that headline too. But what what what

1882
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: are you shaking your head for here?

1883
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get a plug in a big spot,

1884
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: the biggest of all spot.

1885
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: Greg's gotta go, oh yeah, I'm good.

1886
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: Finding Rams Colon One year behind the scenes of the

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01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 2: NFL draft scouting process. COMMA Part one. Check that out.

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01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 2: Check out all of Jordan's coverage of the Rams and

1889
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: her NFL projects like this, and uh, you've said it all, Jordan.

1890
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 2: What else can I say.

1891
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: I'm so happy she did it, folks, that.

1892
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 2: She was great, and I hope everybody enjoyed it. We'll

1893
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: be back next week. Until then, you know what you

1894
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 2: must do.

1895
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Say it, Jordan, Heat the call bang,