1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: are breaking down the Bachelor in Paradise finale. Ben is traveling, 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: so I called in my friend Jill Chen, who you 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: guys may know from Clayton season and last year's season 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 2: season eight of Bachelor in Paradise. She was my fellow crier. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: She loves a bit of dramatics, and I thought she 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: was the perfect person to talk about this episode with, 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: Especially Jill, because you have really cool you're like best 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: friends with Rachel Rekia. So she was kind of like 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: feeding you drama. Not the entire thing. I mean, she 13 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: didn't have her phone on you, but like, yeah, you 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: got this scoop as soon as you could. Yeah, And 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: did you have somebody like an informant because I remember 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: seeing you in June and you knew what was going 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: on down there? How Oh, because like people who are eliminated, 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: you heard from the grape mind, tell us all your sources. 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Okay, So I wouldn't so first of all, Rachel is 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say she's she gives up information easily, unfortunately, 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: you know, like when I get off I'm like press conference, 22 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: all everybody like theether around, like this is what we're 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 3: gonna do. But Rachel's like, you know, if I'm like, okay, 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: so who are you with you with this person, she'd 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: be like, I don't know, You're gonna have to see, 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: which is so annoying. I'm like, just tell me. So 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: I got bits of information that way. Also I'm good 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 3: for that. 29 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: I feel like when she came home from Bachelorette, she 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: didn't even tell you what happened with Tina. 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: No, like barely anything. But also like things evolved so 32 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: quickly that like it's a roller coaster, so I don't 33 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: really know what's happening like at all times. I know, 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: I had a pretty good pulse on the season from 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: Rachel then from Tyler as well, but I was piecing 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: things together and I still am trying to piece things 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: together because I feel like we didn't really see the 38 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: full story. Do you agree, Jill. 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: We've been saying this the entire season, and I asked 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: Blake about it last week and he was like, oh, 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: you know, like of course they can't show everything because 42 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: we're recording twenty four hours a day. I'm like, yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: but there are storylines that have had dead ends and 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: we don't know why please. 45 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: And then new storylines at the last second, and you're 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: like like the like, where's that come from? Especially this 47 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: episode like this, there was a storyline I was not expecting. 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so let's let's dive into this episode. Where 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: are we going? What couple are we going? First? What's 50 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: this story? 51 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: So? I feel like, well, first of all, at the 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 3: beginning of the end of the episode is very much 53 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 3: like chaos, you know, just everything going up in flames. 54 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 3: I don't really understand why. Like at the last rose ceremony, 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: I feel like, then if you were going to choose 56 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: somebody new. 57 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: Just go well, this is what happens every season, And 58 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: for some reason, I felt like this season was a 59 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: little bit less annoying because usually they go straight from 60 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: that rose ceremony to the next day having those one 61 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: on one conversations with the girls and the guys separate, 62 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: and then they go walk down to the beach. Yeah, 63 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: at least we had one day in between to sort 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: of figure things out, to make it less like I've 65 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: always been like, well, wait, what why even get past 66 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: that road ceremony? At least we had a one day 67 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: buffer this time, but go ahead, totally understand the weirdness 68 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: of that. 69 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 3: I know. So it's like, okay, justin Tanner, we knew 70 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: it wasn't not gonna go anywhere, Okay, So there was 71 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: that Mercedes and Jordan V. Like Jordan V just left 72 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: my girl Rachel in the dust. And now you're just 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: gonna say by Mercedes, like that's weird too. 74 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: You know, sure, but I didn't think but Mercedes was 75 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 2: the one that wasn't into it. 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so why even started to begin with the night before? 77 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: Now you get it. I don't get it, Okay, it's 78 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: just strange, like course, but also like I fight or 79 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: flight bye, I am flying away, Like I understand that 80 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: people want to like try to make the best of 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: the situation. I don't really care, like I'm gonna leave. 82 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: So that was a little strange, I feel like. 83 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: But the reason for the one day buffer this season 84 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: was because Mari and Kenny got married and they wanted 85 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: everybody to see that and like get freaked out if 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: they were in a secure enough for Yeah, I can't 87 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: believe they're having three weddings now, Like I was like, wait, what, 88 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: Like Kenny, Mary I never thought it would be you guys, 89 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: because they've told us on like, we just had them 90 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: on our podcast about two weeks ago, and then we 91 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: had them on a couple months ago and they already 92 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: were telling us how they were having two weddings. So 93 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: they actually had three weddings. Of course, the one in 94 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: Mexico isn't binding at all. Yeah, you know, legality speaking, 95 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: but like, but wow. 96 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: It almost begs the question if anything on that beat 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: but well, that too, that could be funding the other 98 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: weddings then, like in which case I'd be like, you 99 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: know what, yeah. 100 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Let's do it exactly exactly, Yeah, I know. 101 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 3: So much of what happens on that beach is so 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: like like you could pass anything off like oh, it's 103 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: paradise like whatever, including engagements. 104 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the engagements were we but we want to get 105 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: to those later. 106 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: We'll get to them later. 107 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: So what I want to talk about is Kylie's love 108 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: for Blake. It does not feel platonic to me. 109 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: No, and so we that's the one that I wanted 110 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: to talk about the new storyline. Like last episode, it 111 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: was like she's like no, like, don't leave, I can't 112 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 3: do this without you. We're all like that's weird, but 113 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: like we can forget about it, like that's weird, but 114 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: moving on because we haven't seen any of it. 115 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, last week we thought it was weird that they 116 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: peppered it in there, and now we know why they 117 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: put it in there, because they wanted them to have 118 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: this hard to heart conversation this week. They wanted to 119 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: show this one. It's still like, I don't know what 120 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: it is. I can't describe in words why it doesn't 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: feel botonic. It just doesn't. 122 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: Well, when he showed up at the wedding, you could 123 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 3: just just clearly see her just be like, oh my god, 124 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: Like maybe this is like a new opportunity for her. 125 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: Maybe she's like, well, maybe there's still a chance, Like. 126 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: If Avin doesn't want to get engaged, maybe I'll just 127 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: move on to Blake. That's truly what I felt. 128 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, it kind of felt that way, but 129 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: I and then also there was it could have been 130 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 3: like a frank invite. It could have been from earlier 131 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: in the episode or earlier in the season where she 132 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: said it almost makes me wish I would have explored more, 133 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 3: you know, talking about her connection with Avan. So I'm like, well, girl, 134 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 3: we got one more day, Like, how could we explore more? 135 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: Like you're kind of locked in with aban? I just again, 136 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: it was like, I don't think it was necessarily a 137 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: pointless storyline, but it was a confusing storyline. 138 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still feel like it was totally unnecessary. I 139 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: think even her conversation with Blake was totally unnecessary. We 140 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: had plenty too much commentary from Kylie in this episode 141 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: about how she wanted to get engaged and how that 142 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: was the only way she was going to feel secure 143 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: in their relationship. I left this episode being like, Kylie, uh, 144 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm not as big of a fan of yours as 145 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: I was. Really. 146 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting because I was almost like team Kylie 147 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: on this one. 148 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: Really, I was like, why is she so obsessed with 149 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: getting engaged? 150 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: Okay, well twenty five relax, Like I get it. 151 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: It was just that, like, she truly isn't believing in 152 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: their relationship if he didn't propose, I don't know. I 153 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: was so not for it because, yeah, I just like 154 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: the other couples were saying, don't want to get engaged 155 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: unless it is going to be a certain thing only 156 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: once in my lifetime sort of thing. 157 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 3: And I totally agree with that. I can see both 158 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: sides because one part of me is like, oh my god, 159 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: getting engaged in paradise, say, is nuts, Like you've only 160 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: known this person in this environment for however much time, 161 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: like a month max. And then the other side is 162 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: what happens at the end of every Bachelor Franchise show, 163 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: an engagement. That's how it ends. And so it wasn't 164 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: even necessarily that they weren't ready. It was even came 165 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: in knowing he wasn't going to get engaged. 166 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. And you think that's annoying. That's I 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: think that's annoying. That's annoying because you know, that's protocol. 168 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: That's protocol. That's annoying because it's protocol. And I don't 169 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: think that like Kyley should be dragged for, say, for 170 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: like wanting that so badly, when up until this point 171 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: I thought there was really a I thought they were 172 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: going to get engaged. Out of all the couples besides 173 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: Eliza and Aaron, I thought they were the most ripe 174 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: to be engaged. I thought they were like the Serena 175 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: and Brandon. You know, they were chilling the whole season. 176 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: They are feeling good. 177 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: But look what happened to Serena and Brandon. And I'm saying, 178 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, but you know, I'm also proven wrong because 179 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: at the end of the episode, you see how many 180 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: people are, you know, married from the show. Jared and 181 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: I of course married from the show, but did not 182 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: get engaged after the month. So that's why I'm able 183 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: to still speak with a little skepticism. Yes, and there's 184 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: been couples in the past where I have felt quite 185 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: strong about them, Joe and Serena being one of them, 186 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: and I can't but like I felt so no, not 187 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: strong about any of these couples. I'm just like, oh, 188 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: just save the reputation, Like, let's I don't want another 189 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: engagement on the TV and then like just to turn 190 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 2: out a couple months later they're not together. Yeah, So 191 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: that's why I'm just like, Okay, if you don't one 192 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: hundred percent feel it, just don't do it. Don't do it. 193 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I agree with that, but you have to 194 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: be honest with that person kind of early on, you know, 195 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: like even coming in he because I don't know if 196 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: he said it outright, but the impression that I got 197 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: was engagement was never on the table for me. When 198 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: I came here, which is a little wild, especially like 199 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: being final too and then like. 200 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: Being Final two. That comes across keazy to me because 201 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: I think, like she called him out on, I do 202 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: think he was probably ready to propose to Rachel. 203 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I agree. 204 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: It's a little bit different of a scenario though, because like, 205 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: while you get to know people so much more in 206 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: Paradise and you have so much more time with them, 207 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: your mindset is a little different. It's a little more casual, right. 208 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also like a little crazy. Like I 209 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: like when I was with Jacob, I was like, oh yeah, 210 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: I could maybe see this, and then outside of it, 211 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: I was like whoa, Like who was I? Who was 212 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: that girl? You know? Yeah, I understand even coming out 213 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: of like The Bachelor, I was like, did I even 214 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: like Clayton? Like I was gaslighting myself to liking Clayton. So, like, 215 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: I understand not wanting to get engaged in that setting. 216 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: I do understand that, but I feel like you have 217 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: to be open to it, and if you're not open 218 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: to it, then express that at the beginning. Uh huh, 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna say. But and I do like 220 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: Kylie was like really harping on the engagement thing, and 221 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: but I do understand her disappointment. 222 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's because, like I to me, I felt 223 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: like it was more of like a goal set, like 224 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: she like had like a timeline and she wanted to 225 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: reach her goals within the timeline. And she felt like 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: by going on a bachelor's show and leaving together but 227 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: not engaged, she failed. 228 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: I could see that. I could definitely see that. And 229 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: then I'm sorry, it's maybe not funny, but when they 230 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: were leaving, you know when couples leave together giddy, happy, Oh, 231 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 3: a couple. 232 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: And feel good, that's for sure. Yeah, funeral. It was 233 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: like a funeral. 234 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: It was weird, really depressing, and I just, I don't know, 235 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 3: I just knew they weren't on the same page. And obviously, 236 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: like if I were Kylie, I'd be like, whoa, we're 237 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: not on the same page. We definitely shouldn't get engaged, 238 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: you know, like Okay, Well, and then he kind of 239 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: like gave her I don't know who gave who the ultimatum, 240 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 3: but he was kind of. 241 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: Like he I think he kind of did. 242 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: I know, But it was brought on by her feelings, right, 243 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: or her stance on it like I truly didn't know 244 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: which way it was going to go. 245 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: Me neither. When they're going back and forth like I 246 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: don't know if this is real, if it's not a proposal, 247 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: And then he was like, well, then you're not respecting 248 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: me if it's if you're forcing me into proposal. Like, yeah, 249 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: it was back and forth, but I'm glad that she 250 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: just just let it go, let him win this this argument. 251 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: And for what I was what I was thinking when 252 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: they were sitting in that car all depressed, It's like, 253 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: I can't wait for them to get back to the 254 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: hotel tonight and just enjoy some offscreen time. And I 255 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: think very soon she'll have clarity as to like, now 256 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: that there's no chance of engagement on the table, I 257 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: think she'll just be able to just go and enjoy it. Yeah, 258 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: and maybe I would love to get her on the 259 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: podcast so we can see like how she feels about 260 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: that now. To me, it would all be about the 261 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: free ring, the fact that like you don't have to 262 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: pay for a ring, you're saving, Like I don't know 263 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: how much they actually are. Those were certainly downgraded size 264 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: Neilan rings. 265 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: I did notice that. Yeah, Yeah, I just well, First 266 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: of all, I have you been on social media yet? 267 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? Actually no, because I've been texting Joe back and 268 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: forth because I've been It's three hour episode, you know, 269 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: like I watched an hour and a half last night 270 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: and I watched an hour and a half this morning. 271 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: But no, what's what's going on social media? Tell me 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: what's the status? 273 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: Okay, So and that's the question, what's the status? 274 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: The status of I? But are we still talking about 275 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: Kylie and Avin? 276 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: Yes? 277 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, okay, because on the recap last night, 278 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: at the end of the show, which I think is 279 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: hilarious and I love the way that they play starship 280 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: and stuff, they said that they're doing great or they're 281 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: doing well being boyfriend and girlfriend. 282 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: What do you know, correct, Well, I don't know anything 283 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: except for, you know, halfway through the season there was 284 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: at Twitter beef and it was kind of like, you know, 285 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: which what I'm talking about? 286 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 2: No explain for the to the audience. I know a 287 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: little bit. I remember that even kind of was getting 288 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: annoyed that they didn't have enough screen time, which I 289 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 2: think they didn't get screen time because they weren't leading 290 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: to an engagement. I think in you know, in the 291 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: editing room, They're like, oh, if you're not getting engaged, 292 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: then we're not going to show you. 293 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: Honestly, the solid couples even last season, like like Serena 294 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: and Brandon didn't get a lot of screen time because 295 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: they were chilling, they were good. There was no drama, 296 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: like there's so much it goes on that like sometimes 297 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: the solid couples don't get it. So I think there 298 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: was there's some beef. I don't exactly know kind of 299 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: the whole scope of it, but there's some beef between 300 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: Kylie and. 301 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: Live Yeah okay. 302 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: And so then Avin clapped back saying like, oh, you 303 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: give a night one girl the screen time and she 304 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: thinks that she's, you know, the next hottest thing, which 305 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: is such an argument, Like I hate that anyways. So then, 306 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: but even the fact of the matter is Avan was 307 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: sticking up for Kylie. So I was like, oh, they're together, Okay, Yeah, 308 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 3: they're together. Cool. 309 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm on social. 310 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: Media right after I see oh I got they left happy. 311 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: I go to their instagrams, not a whisper, nothing, you 312 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: normally normally when you end the show, you know you're 313 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: they got their finger hovern over the detonator. That is 314 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: the Instagram. I'm ready to hard launch that relationship. 315 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, there was nothing. Oh there's still nothing. This 316 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: is one pretty twenty pm on Friday. 317 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: I looked on Avan's nothing, no static post lase. I 318 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: look at Even's story, nothing. I looked Frank Kylie's page. Nothing. 319 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: I haven't looked at Kylie's story. I don't think still nothing. 320 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: What that's weird to me? If you're in a happy relationship. 321 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: I'm oh, like, I'm ready to hard launch this second same. 322 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So what we have here on Kylie's Instagram is 323 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: just on her story and it says last watch party, 324 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: Avan is not present at this watch party full of ladies, 325 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: a lot of them are like older. And then another 326 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: of two hours ago Kylie on Kylie on like a 327 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: group FaceTime with Jess and Mercedes and Kat and they're 328 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: saying we realize we don't have to be on reality 329 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: TV again and they're all smiling. Ye okay, isn't that weird? Though? 330 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 2: It's definitely concerning. And the last time she posted a 331 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: picture with Avan just like as a promo for the show. Yeah, 332 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: November tenth. 333 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's going on? 334 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: Not good? 335 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, and that's that's honestly a recurring theme with 336 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: all of the couples. I hate to say, but we'll 337 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: get into that later. 338 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: Okay, And just another update avan seventeen hours ago, my 339 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: piece ha my peace period at the basketball court, and 340 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: then a screenshot fourteen hours ago of what he's listening to, 341 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: and that is, Oh, Bryce Bryson Tiller, keep doing what 342 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: you're doing is the song. I don't know if that 343 00:16:59,600 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: means good. 344 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a subtweet, but no one 345 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: decode that. 346 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: This is why you don't get engaged though, because if 347 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: they've got to engage, it wouldn't have helped them, like 348 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 2: it wouldn't have helped the relationship. 349 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 3: No, totally, totally totally, but I would have you know, 350 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 3: the signs. The signs were clearly there for even at 351 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: least and because even was feeling that way, she should 352 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: have seen that and just taken it for what it is. 353 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: I'm glad she ended up doing that. I don't know 354 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 3: what's going on. Maybe we'll get some further explanation, but 355 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: it sucks because there's no reunion. 356 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 2: I know we I would have loved the reunion for this, 357 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 2: but I know Golden Bachelor had to take president. 358 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I get it, but at the same time, 359 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: like this needed a reunion because you can't like the show. 360 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: I feel like specifically left out important things and I 361 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: want to know, like especially I'm still wondering about the 362 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: Jess and Tyler and Blake and you know, I've heard 363 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: like little snippets of on the you know, on other podcasts, 364 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 3: but it's like. 365 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 2: That's what I talked to Blake about last week. I 366 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 2: was like, could we just talk. We never really addressed 367 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: the fact that they kissed and like it seemed like 368 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: it was a good kiss. Okay, So do you want 369 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: to know like how a lot of those storylines ended 370 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: that we have been pondering all season long. Listen to 371 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: the Blake interview that I did last week because I 372 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: because he was there and he he did tie up 373 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: some ends lose ends. Now let's go on to the dates. 374 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 2: This week. We had Kat and John Henry had a 375 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: date and then so basically both engaged couples had a date. 376 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 2: Then we had Eliza and Aaron they had a date. Okay, 377 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: So the Eliza and Aaron date I'm going to start 378 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: with because to me, I have no substance with this couple, 379 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: I literally have heard them talk about nothing except for 380 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: the status of their relationship. Yeah, that's all we hear. Like, 381 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: it's good with Aaron and me, it's great with Eliza, 382 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, I'm falling in love. It's like, 383 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: I have not heard you guys had a discussion about anything. 384 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. I the only discussion that they had was when 385 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: Charity came down, and it was like, what's going on 386 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 3: with Aaron? 387 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, you're right, yes. 388 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 3: A bump in the road. But then it was like 389 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: every every time I'm hearing from Aaron, he's just telling 390 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: me what she has for breakfast. 391 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: And while I think that, yes, yes, it's always like 392 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: you look beautiful this morning. 393 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, it's in it in the breakfast order, which 394 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 3: is great. We you know, we love that. But at 395 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: the same time, I don't like I'm not necessarily as 396 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: invested think I love Eliza. I think she is the 397 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: most beautiful human being on the planet. 398 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Could you believe her face? 399 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: No, in her body? Like, oh, like I just ever 400 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 3: she's she's so good. She's so good, And I think 401 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: they're cute. But I think like a lot of it, 402 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: and I kind of like these kind of relationships where 403 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: I feel like Aarin is like simping all the time, 404 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 3: like just gushy with how beautiful she is, and she's like, oh, like. 405 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I you it is cute. 406 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: It's cute. 407 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 2: But that I'm also wondering if she's like I could 408 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: just get all the men in the world. 409 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: But the way I look like, I know that she 410 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: would like Drake, you know, And I do feel like 411 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: she's the one and only person that maybe has a 412 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 3: chance with Drake. 413 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: You knew her last year? Yeah, with Drake, Okay. I 414 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: love that she wasn't there when I was there. She 415 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: came in late. So like a little bit about her personality. 416 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 3: Oh my god, she is. Everyone says like she looks 417 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: like a Disney princess. She is a Disney princess, Like 418 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 3: she's always pattering the face, like very sweet, but she's 419 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: also like hilarious. She's really funny. She she's sassy for sure, 420 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 3: and she is really emotional, but I feel like we 421 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: don't see a ton of that. 422 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: I'm looking at her Instagram now. She has pictures of herself. 423 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very perfect and put together and she loves Drake. 424 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: That's like her biggest like thing is she's obsessed with Drake. 425 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: Oh so she's thinking she probably could get Drake. 426 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think she may be. Honestly, 427 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: she's perfect. 428 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's something to see, all right. But yeah, 429 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: this date did nothing for me, Like, this day did 430 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: not help me believe in their love at all. No, 431 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: the Shaman date, no, Now, the other date between Kat 432 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: and John Henry actually made me get them. I was like, oh, Okay, 433 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 2: there's more here, there's stuff here. She showed a totally 434 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: different side to her when she was talking about her 435 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: upbringing and he when he was talking about his rough years, 436 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: some bouts of depression, and they really did feel like 437 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: there was a nice level of intimacy and vulnerability there, 438 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: and she seems soft with him, which is sweet to see. 439 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 3: It kind of made that conversation changed a lot of 440 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 3: my I guess, like just my opinion on Kat. I 441 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 3: don't know her, I've never talked to her. My only 442 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: you know, interaction is through the television, what I see 443 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 3: on the tepee, which obviously she got a really tough edit. 444 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: And yeah, but also like just so many, so many 445 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: episodes and she had so much screen time and we 446 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: really got to know her, and she's so multifaceted that, yes, 447 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: she is the most ridiculous sometimes, but she's great TV. 448 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: And she seems like someone that well, sometimes i'd be 449 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: scared to hang out with, but mostly would probably would 450 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: want her there. She also seems like a pretty supportive 451 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: girls girl. 452 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: She does. I think that a lot of the volatility 453 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 3: earlier made a lot of sense once I heard her story, 454 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 3: and I feel like there was this yearning for safety 455 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: and for okay, like I'm good here that I think 456 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: John Henry was able to provide her. Whereas before she 457 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: didn't feel stable, and if you don't feel stable, you know, 458 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: then you're gonna go off the rails maybe a little bit. 459 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: So I really appreciated that date, and I think I 460 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: was at first I was like, I don't know what 461 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: her ending is going to look like. I don't know 462 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: if it's going to be a happy ending for Kat, 463 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: But I think it's like, that's the happy ending, yeah, 464 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 3: you know, of maybe the season. 465 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: It is, which is so funny. We see later in 466 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: the season, well we'll just go there. Yeah, we see 467 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: that they are the happy couple out of this that 468 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: is shocking. That is shocking to me because she was 469 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: mostly drama the Sea during the season. Maybe it was 470 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: halfway that she started getting with John Henry and then 471 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: they always felt fun together, but they felt like a 472 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: couple that was just gonna be like fun in paradise 473 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 2: and not in the outside world. This episode did make 474 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: me feel like they have complimentary personalities because he's so 475 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: laid back and chill, and he'll and she'll just be 476 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: the well, lack of a better word, like the you 477 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 2: or me and the relationship right, yeah, a little like 478 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 2: a little bit more like high strung emotional one yes, 479 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: and he'll be there the stable Yes. 480 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: And I although they got started a little late, I 481 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 3: think it was a huge green flag that he was like, 482 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: I realized this is crazy, but I'm so sure about 483 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: it that I'm going to propose. 484 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: Okay, well, how do you feel about that proposal? Because 485 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: I know I would love it. Looking back, when he goes, 486 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: my gut says, don't do it. I know, but I'm 487 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: gonna go with something else in this time my heart, 488 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 2: like I get it. It's like there's some sweetness in that. Yeah, 489 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: but you're still telling your fiance at the podium at 490 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: the altar that like your gut saying no. 491 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: I know he should have used he should have said my. 492 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: Brain and my brain, yeah, my brain. It may be 493 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: better because like my brain, yeah, my brain makes more 494 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 2: sense your gut, like we are always told that our 495 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: gut's right right, Like. 496 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 3: Something was mixed up there, but I think that, you know, 497 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: the sentiment remained the same, and I thought it was sweet. 498 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: I was like really surprised and it was it was 499 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: just like fun, and I feel like they've been fun once. 500 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: Like I got over the fact that he left Olivia 501 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 3: because that was kind of hard to get over. You know. 502 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 2: I was interion to see the two of them just 503 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: seeming okay at like a breakfast table. Rights been able 504 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: to get over a lot of drama and then sit 505 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: together at the table. 506 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: No, see me, I'm not like that. I cannot do it. 507 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: It's so you're getting right up. 508 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I don't care. So that was cute. But 509 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 3: then also that's another one. No hard launch, no hard watch, 510 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: except for this, there's been a story. There's been one story. 511 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: A collage for on Kat's Instagram, a collage of them 512 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: saying my favorite memories. Okay, where's the hard launch, No way, Okay, 513 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 3: when I when I looked like an hour ago, maybe wow. 514 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm I'm on a page right now. And 515 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: I'm also seeing that Aaron not thinking about Paradise a 516 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: little bit, Butliza. The only thing that he has with 517 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: Eliza is a picture of her head on his shoulder 518 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 2: and says she can nap anywhere. So romantic. No, nothing 519 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: from cat. 520 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: Well, there's a story. There was one story, and there's 521 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 3: a little collage of them, but that's it. 522 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: Do you think that the show's not letting them do 523 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: it because maybe there's spoilers. Maybe they're like, you can 524 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: hard launch on like Sunday night. 525 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: That's what I thought. But then we see another couple, 526 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 3: another surprise couple who have hard launched. 527 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: Surprise couple do you mean Braiden? 528 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, they hard launched immediately. 529 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: But maybe that's because Bryden was already eliminated last week 530 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: and everybody knew that. Yeah, so perhaps we just need 531 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 2: to wait a little bit longer because they don't want 532 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: Instagram to spoil it for some people. 533 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, maybe it's a contract thing. But did we 534 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: see that with Golden Bachelor. I don't know. No, I 535 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know if some things are on 536 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: the rocks. I don't know the status of a lot 537 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: of these relationships. And I feel like that's it's kind 538 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: of like what you do in Bachelor Nation. This is 539 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: kind of how it goes, you know, Yeah, were you 540 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 3: You know, the Instagram. 541 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: Is a thing. Definitely think like, we want to see 542 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: what they're doing today, right, we want to feel good 543 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: about it. We just dedicated how many hours to watching 544 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: these stories, and you're telling me that maybe nobody is 545 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: still is nobody's happy? 546 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: I know, that's what I'm saying. So I'm just like 547 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: really confused. And that's that's what makes me question the 548 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: status of these relationships. Like when did they ask them 549 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: about the updates? 550 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I can tell you that Jared and I 551 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: submitted pictures. It was the first. It was like November 552 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: first they asked this for pictures. 553 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: Oh so maybe. 554 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: For that timeline, that's a long ass time ago in 555 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: like relationship a new relationship. 556 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: For sure. I was most because I knew that some 557 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: of the relationships. Honestly, I thought I knew the status 558 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: of some relationships as like truly over And I was like, oh, 559 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: I wonder how the show is going to be. I'm 560 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: not gonna say because I don't because now I don't 561 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: know if it's true. I honestly thought no couples were 562 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: still together. 563 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's what you thought, But now Instagram is 564 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: kind of proving that. 565 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: Right. No, I thought that Kylie and Aven were still together, 566 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 3: but that's only because of the Twitter Beason. That's the 567 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: only reason why. But I thought the rest of the 568 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: couples were done so. 569 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: Well, we got to get Rachel on the line, Like, 570 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: Rachel hasn't told you any of this. 571 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: No, she hasn't, because she also wasn't there. 572 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's got to be friends with them, right. 573 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 3: I don't know, think she's she's not as friendly. 574 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: Because she's from a different season. 575 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, probably, yeah, But I don't know. I think 576 00:28:51,040 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: it's just strange. 577 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: Let's just talk about a few of the other couples 578 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: that left. Peter and Sam. I mean, they didn't show 579 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: us a single thing between them, so it was not 580 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: shocking to see them part. Sam initiating it, Like I 581 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: thought they were going to just let them go as 582 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: like a hey, do you want to like talk a 583 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: little bit in real life? See where it goes yeah, 584 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: but currently she just didn't want to do that. That 585 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: was then like how much how was that was that persuaded? 586 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: Was that a conversation because you know, I always talk 587 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: about how they don't really love the production, doesn't really 588 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: love an ending that's like, man, you know, they want 589 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: an ending that's like engagement or break up. The fact 590 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: that they live in and uh and kind of get 591 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: away with it was because I think they needed and 592 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: wanted the drama of just that debate. 593 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 3: I agree. 594 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: So you know, maybe Sam and Peter to talk a 595 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: little bit afterward. But and maybe the same applies to 596 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: Olivia and Michael. I was, oh, you know, Olivia was 597 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 2: sad too, and Peter was sad. But you guys weren't 598 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: gonna like what you weren't gonna go to fantasy suite. 599 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 2: You guys have been to those two Michael and Olivia 600 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: had been together for like a week. 601 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: Oh I know, And but like I fell for a 602 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 3: living because she was having a good time, and like 603 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: I did feel kind of like they they could have 604 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 3: just let her go with the Well we'll see what happens. 605 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Just please just come on, just 606 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: get the girl. Hope because we all liked her so much. 607 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, she got the most screen time out of anybody, 608 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: Like she had a meteoric rise in Bachelor Nation, and 609 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: I was here for it. I was invested in her 610 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: love story. And that was just disappointing because he just 611 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: like gave up, Like it wasn't even she was like, well, 612 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: she started off and she was really kind of hopeful 613 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 3: and left it open like not wanting to hope, be 614 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: like too hopeful. Then he just kind of crushed it. 615 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, I didn't even like you anyways. 616 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't even get to know low. I 617 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 3: don't even really I only liked Michael because he was 618 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: with Livia. 619 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: Yes, he said, I appreciate your time here. I appreciate 620 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: that we had this time here together, but I don't 621 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: want to give you false hope. We're in two very 622 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: different spots right now, and leaving together is not a 623 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: good idea. 624 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's okay, weird though, Like that's weird to me. 625 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 3: You knew that last night. You knew that. 626 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: Are you in different spots? 627 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: So like, what do you mean you're in different spots 628 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 3: like geographically? 629 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: Like yeah, I don't know, because like you better be 630 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: open to a relationship, dude, if you came on the show. 631 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It was so weird. I don't know. 632 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: I find it kind of felt like like he like 633 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: he used an abused or for a room. I don't 634 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: know that's being speculative, but that was really disappointing. The 635 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 3: Peter stuff. How that man was there from start to end, 636 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 3: no idea And he who is he? Who is this? 637 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: Don't I don't know he was from He was from 638 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: Charity season. 639 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, he was from Charity season. I know he's 640 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: all so he too is a pilot pee, but that's yes, 641 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: all I know. And he has hairless legs. That's all 642 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: I know. 643 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: Jill. I think that, like why cast these people like 644 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: Sam and Peter. I've said this already before, but I 645 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: want to get your opinion on it. Oh, he was 646 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 2: set night Home Night one on Charity season. Yeah, okay, 647 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: so I know that they love to bring a night 648 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: Wanner and I do love a night winner. It was Olivia, 649 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: right yeah, and then like him and then like look 650 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: like grocery Shore Joe, like they all hope that they 651 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: like take Joe's route, you know, and look at Olivia 652 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: perfect example, amazing, But like I think you know that 653 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: Peter wasn't going to be that kind of hit, So 654 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: why incorporate people if you're going to put them there 655 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: and then you're just not going to show them and 656 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 2: we're not going to have anything invested in them. 657 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: Right because at like it just seems like a throwaway 658 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: and I'm sure that there was more substance to him. 659 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: This is not a knock against him, and this is 660 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 3: just like a knock against well. I would feel like 661 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: if you were there the whole time, I should know 662 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: more than three things about him and be more invested 663 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 3: in his relationship. Like they went on a date and 664 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 3: it was fun and whatever. Like I know more about 665 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: Sam from watching vetereloran Paradise Canada obviously than I do 666 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: from her this season. I just thought it was weird. 667 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird. I don't feel like we've ever 668 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: had such a throwaway couple or like throw away contestants 669 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: as we had this season. 670 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so weird, like because she came down 671 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 3: to like save somebody, and did she She saved Peter, 672 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: right rather than Sean or like whatever. 673 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna come down and save Sean 674 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: because we were like, oh, we'll keep the drama around 675 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: for another. 676 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: Week, right exactly. So that was really strange. But honestly, 677 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: I feel like maybe the producers just lost sight of 678 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: that or just like, ah, they're still here, like whatever. 679 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: But he was I did feel bad for him because 680 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 3: he was like, I'm really hoping that we can leave 681 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 3: together and I can about her so much, and she 682 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 3: was like, sorry, buy. 683 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: It seems like kind of a blind siding moment. Yeah, 684 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: she was like, seeing the other couples, I feel like 685 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: we should have been further along. I'm grateful for our 686 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 2: time together, but it doesn't feel right to continue this 687 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: relationship again. Want to know whether that was a little 688 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: bit a little influenced and that like perhaps they hung 689 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 2: out later, Oh maybe, you. 690 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 3: Know, I feel like they probably did. 691 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 2: I feel like they probably did too. 692 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 3: But also, you know what was weird to me, Like, 693 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: with a couple like Kylie and Avan, don't you think 694 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 3: they should have at least gotten a fantasy suite. To 695 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 3: not have a fantasy suite at that level is weird. 696 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 2: That was weird. I definitely expected that conversation to move 697 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: over into like, Okay, let's just have to the night 698 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 2: and we'll figure it out further. There's no shame to 699 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 2: me as a viewer, but I guess it's embarrassing as 700 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: a contestant to go down to like that podium and 701 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: be like, I want to leave here with you, but 702 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm not ready to put the ring on your finger. 703 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: I agree. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, 704 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 3: as long as you both are expecting that, which you 705 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: can discuss in the overnight. Yeah, you know, like there's 706 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that. I think take the overnight just 707 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 3: so you can really talk it through for what it is. 708 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 3: If you even if they wake up in the morning 709 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 3: and there's like you know, they realize they don't want 710 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,959 Speaker 3: to go to that podium, like I don't know, Yeah. 711 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 2: There's always a way out of it. I did think 712 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 2: that it deserved a fantasy suite, and it was it 713 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: deserved it and just another date night because I would 714 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: have liked to see more of just like them being together. Anyway. 715 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 2: All right, Well that's that's I think covered it. Anything 716 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: else worth mentioning any like overall season thoughts. 717 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 3: I feel like I honestly maybe people will disagree with me. 718 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 3: We need to bring back the two nights a week 719 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: because we don't get the full story. If you're going 720 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 3: to film for the same amount of time and the 721 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: same Medican test and you're only going to give us 722 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 3: one night a week, it's not working for me. 723 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 2: So I think that, like we're still getting the same 724 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: amount of time though, because it's ten weeks versus what 725 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 2: it used to be, which was four It was just 726 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 2: five or six. Really it used to be. It used 727 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 2: to be two hours and then an hour the next night. 728 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 2: And I think that when you do the math, we're 729 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 2: only off by a couple hours. 730 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 3: No, last season we were four hours a week. 731 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: Wait, really last week. 732 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,919 Speaker 3: So last last season was four hours a week of. 733 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 2: Television, holy crap. And it was like eight or nine weeks. 734 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 3: It was long, yeah, and we had a reunion. So 735 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just happy. I'm struggling with this 736 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 3: season because I'm not truly fully invested in really anybody 737 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 3: besides people I love, but like, you know, personally, like 738 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: there's no one. I'm like, oh my god, I live 739 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 3: and die, you know, oh my god, true love. I'm 740 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 3: not feeling that way. 741 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 2: I didn't either. It was what I have to say is, 742 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 2: while I enjoyed watching this season. 743 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, because there was a couple. 744 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 2: Of good characters like Kat and Olivia. Yep, I felt 745 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 2: very uninspired by it. 746 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 3: On inspired. Some of the men were so uninspiring. 747 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, my sister and I would be like, these girls 748 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 2: are so freaking pretty, and it's just like, I know, 749 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: the guys. 750 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: Just didn't give a rip, Like just what's the point. 751 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 3: I don't know, we need to like reinvigorate some of 752 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: these men, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I did 753 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 3: enjoy the season because of the characters. For sure, some 754 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 3: of the storylines could have been better developed, and I 755 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 3: need some more solid couples. 756 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: I just think that it just kind of sucked for 757 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 2: them because I think they put a group of people 758 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: together and there wasn't a lot of compatibility. And that's 759 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 2: all that's. You know, you've done it nine seasons. You've 760 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 2: been really lucky. To geez, besides the first season, I 761 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 2: think you have a couple from every season that's still 762 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 2: they got. Yeah, if you consider Jared and Nice season 763 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: three and Na season two. 764 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 3: Because currently, oh yeah, I think this is the problem 765 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 3: I think is there is with the show. It's gotten 766 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 3: so meta, Like before the show, there's all this planning 767 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: on what's going to happen before the show, and then 768 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 3: people feel obligated to abide by that because especially like 769 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 3: when they're like, oh he's my number one, two or three, Okay, 770 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 3: well I have to go. I hit them in this 771 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 3: order there was it wasn't as organic. And I also 772 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 3: feel like, you know, what happened to the boom boom room. 773 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 3: That was like that's like a fun little thing that 774 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 3: happens every season, not my season. I think it started 775 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 3: when they started, when the show kind of started editing 776 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 3: that in like a really negative and salacious light. So 777 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 3: there's all this kind of worry about how you're going 778 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,479 Speaker 3: to be portrayed and who's going to be with who, 779 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 3: and like trying to because the backlash on social media 780 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 3: is wild at times, you know it is, it can 781 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 3: be unbearable. So I understand the fear of getting a 782 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 3: bad edit, but the fear of the bad edit almost 783 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: stifles the inspiration of the content. 784 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know, well put yeah wow, we had 785 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 2: no boom boom room this season. 786 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 3: No boom boom room. 787 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 2: Think about the drama that that created, like on a 788 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 2: Kenny Moore season. 789 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 3: I know, and for good, Like who cares? Because that 790 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 3: happens in real life. You have one night stance. Who cares, 791 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 3: you know, But because it's televised, like, I get it, 792 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 3: and because your parents are watching personally, I got it. 793 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 3: But I feel like some of the fun of Paradise 794 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 3: has been lost because of the fear of backlash and 795 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: the fear of being portrayed in a negative light. You 796 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 3: might just like that fun. Let's just have fun, let's 797 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 3: explore I don't know. 798 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, guys, that is it for Bachelor 799 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 2: and Paradise recap. We are going to resume things with 800 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: Jill and we're going to do Bachelor headlines this week 801 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 2: with her toos to stay tuned for that episode. Appreciate you, guys, 802 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 2: Love you, and until next time, I've Been Ashley, I've 803 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: Been Jill. 804 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 805 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.