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Speaker 1: This is a podcast called twenty basketball and they all

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Speaker 1: wear a whist so, yeah, bad, But why didn't you

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Speaker 1: expect it's a podcast called twenty five whistles. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: episode forty six, where we have Joe Nardi coming on later,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty cool, although I will admit I think

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Speaker 1: he thought he was coming on to talk about teams

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Speaker 1: me everything about your life. He was like, dang, you

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Speaker 1: care a lot about my life. And I was like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: And I think he liked I think he I think

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Speaker 1: it was what he thought it was gonna be, which

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Speaker 1: is cool. He probably liked it. No one ever asked

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Speaker 1: Joe about Joe, right, like Joey to be like, nobody

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Speaker 1: ever cares about me, So I hope he felt love.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. But we did get to basketball as well. Also,

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Speaker 1: something I learned today is Coleman has legs. You've never

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Speaker 1: seen him. He's in studio, We've only seen him on face.

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Speaker 1: I've never met him until today, Like physically, we embraced

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Speaker 1: a little too long. Sorry about that. Yeah, but it's Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's okay, but I get it. He's here. His wife's

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Speaker 1: also in studio too. Yeah, which has she ever been introduced? No,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be on the show if you

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Speaker 1: don't want to. I'm Emily. That she is Emily. Hey, Emily,

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Speaker 1: how's this whole thing been? Not him traveling around but

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere obviously. Yeah, it's crazy. I was like

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Speaker 1: He's been gone for like two months now. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool that was gone. How it's fun to live

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Speaker 1: like in a cool city, I'll just fly in. This

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Speaker 1: was all actually her idea, the entire trip. She just

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Speaker 1: wanted me to get get back out of Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it. And he's your new Boyfriend's he muscular? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a lot bigger yea. Yeah. So look we're all here.

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Speaker 1: Coleman's here in person, which is pretty cool. Are you

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Speaker 1: gonna be her Monday too? I will. You went to

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Speaker 1: the game here in town last night, the Belmont game? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Did they win? They did by one point? Came back

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Speaker 1: down seventeen at half. It was awesome. They were down

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Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen A. And who did you interview for this

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Speaker 1: show We're gonna do later? Uh, Missouri State. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Casey Alexander will be on this one. So

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Speaker 1: Missouri State Dana Afford, their head coach. And how is he?

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Speaker 1: He was awesome? You went up there? Is that when

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Speaker 1: we talked to you in Branson? Yes? Yes? And how

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Speaker 1: was he like as a dude? Like nice? Incredible? All

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Speaker 1: three that I've interviewed have been so nice. I mean

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Speaker 1: for me, that's like a dream to get to talk

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Speaker 1: to these coaches about their journey. I mean, I've been

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Speaker 1: playing dynasty modes on nca College Basketball for about the

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Speaker 1: last twenty years. Like that sort of asked them about

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Speaker 1: their journey. You know, they're come up from a smaller

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Speaker 1: hopefully looking to make a bigger step. I guess in

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Speaker 1: the future. Did you get free tickets for that show? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Both Missouri State and Belmont hooked me up. Let's go

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Speaker 1: is it because we're hooking it up? Absolutely? Okay, you

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Speaker 1: guys have been same changers, right job. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, man, I just you haven't done. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be honest about this. I said. Let's I like one thing.

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, can we make sure that Coleman gets

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Speaker 1: into these games and has access? That's all I said.

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Speaker 1: And then Kevin and Mike and Lauren freaking bulldog It

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Speaker 1: my world so much easier. Next thing, Gas, can you

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Speaker 1: get to help with that? Understand? All right, let's let's

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Speaker 1: warm up here. Here's the warm up question. And there's

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Speaker 1: a reason I'm asking it, but we'll talk about tennis

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Speaker 1: for just a second, and that you ever played at all? Like,

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Speaker 1: so I like tennis. I didn't play any matches. I

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Speaker 1: No we didn't. I got you, all right, everybody, all right,

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Speaker 1: ever walked on a grass court? Yeah? It's completely different. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's that like? Like? Is it soft grass, hard grass?

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Speaker 1: but there is a hard court, which is like like regular,

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Speaker 1: she's not even she's an ex tennis champion. So I

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Speaker 1: But they're like three levels. It's hard court, there's like

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Speaker 1: hard court good for servers because it's like ball flies

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Speaker 1: It takes so much. Well no, stop talking, hey, okay

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Speaker 1: do but I'm saying it's that's moving because the ball

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Speaker 1: just throwing things up. Yes, he's just saying words lost

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Speaker 1: you want tennis gear? Yeah, so like rackets and everything. Bro,

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Speaker 1: our little group me a mod cruise. We wait a

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing all you guys wearing like the same shoes.

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Speaker 1: the cost because Andy was like, just how many how

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Speaker 1: many hear idiot friends? Do you want? You guys go playing?

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Speaker 1: Make your own league up. So that's what you would do.

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Speaker 1: Danny's guys must be for real that we can't even

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Speaker 1: all over. We were starting to get some tournament play,

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Speaker 1: but that's then we stopped. But I much prefer pickleball.

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Speaker 1: Pickleball is awesome, and then I was pretty good racketball

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Speaker 1: I just didn't have the patience, didn't grow up at

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Speaker 1: there's no judge there, so like they're arguing about it

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Speaker 1: gonna know who's right, like exactly, that's not exactly what

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Speaker 1: the tittle tattle tattle. Which quarterback do you think is

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith? I just because of the market. Probably Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones was asking for forty five million, changed his agent.

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Speaker 1: And because you asked for it doesn't mean you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get it, doesn't eve mean you really think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get it. But if you ask forty five million, it's

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Speaker 1: easier to get thirty five million. But man, he had

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Speaker 1: his year. He did have his year. I mean, day

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Speaker 1: Ball coming in change a kid's life, and he came in,

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Speaker 1: he played wonderfully. Does he twenty five million? Sure? I

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Speaker 1: could see that and not that's not a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of money. That's a crazy amount of money. But when

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Speaker 1: you look at the market on quarterbacks that can actually produce,

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Speaker 1: they have to pay him. Don't forget. They didn't take

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Speaker 1: his fifth year option. They were like, we're good, four years,

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Speaker 1: we're out. They said no, they declined the option. Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones said, okay, well, we played. New coach comes in.

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Speaker 1: And they turned he's rich. He's gonna be rich for

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Speaker 1: the West coast. Now we don't watch them. They're being overlooked.

421
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,479
Speaker 1: Probably not because of their talent or anybody going. They

422
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Speaker 1: suck overlooked as they not talked about equally because we

423
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Speaker 1: just just don't see them play the football teams get

424
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Speaker 1: anybody west because they just play way later and it's

425
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Speaker 1: not even that were like, we don't like them because

426
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: they're West. When your game doesn't come on until nine

427
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,080
Speaker 1: or ten or eleven, Central or Eastern, the eyeballs that

428
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 1: are writing these stories are just gonna accidentally overlooked them.

429
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,360
Speaker 1: So they're both very talented teams. But yes, of course

430
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Speaker 1: they're overlook They're not getting the attention that they probably deserve,

431
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 1: but it's because of where they live. Colemn Yeah, I

432
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 1: think absolutely they're being overlooked. I think behind Houston, UCLA

433
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 1: is my next favorite to win a national title. I

434
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 1: love their balance. They've got a couple guys on their

435
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Speaker 1: team that are veteran that have been to a Final

436
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 1: four before, in Hakes, in Tiger Campbell. I think that

437
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 1: could be a team that makes the run to the

438
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: Final four, perhaps wins a national championship. That being on

439
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 1: the West coast is getting overlooked. It's just a bad

440
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: situation for players that want to be in prime time.

441
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: It's tough to play. They'd have to play a four

442
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Speaker 1: thirty or five o'clock game for us to be able

443
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Speaker 1: to watch it in prime time, and they ain't doing that.

444
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Speaker 1: Seven periods barely over you know what I mean? All right,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Thank you. Before we started this, Kevin walkdon

446
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: and goes, do you know about to Aaron Rodgers Darkness

447
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 1: Retreat And I said, why, what do you mean I

448
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 1: know about what he was doing? Goes, No, is it over?

449
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: It's over. It's like the groundhog comes out and we

450
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Speaker 1: see the shadow and the wm on. We go all right,

451
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: more winter. Well that's the best part two on social

452
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 1: media and I was like, he's out of the darkness,

453
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 1: and like there's pictures of him like walking out, he's

454
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: running into things. He's out of the darkness. As of Wednesday,

455
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: he was doing it in southern Oregon and this place

456
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: is a partially underground Hobbit like structure with three hundred

457
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 1: square feet of space, no light, with a queen bed,

458
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: a bathroom, a meditation like matt on the floor, fully powered.

459
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: If you want to turn the lights on an endpoint,

460
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: you can and this place is booked up for the

461
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: next eighteen months. Yeah, I hear you. But what happened

462
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 1: did he come out? And I don't know. He said

463
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: they should have a table out front when he walks

464
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Speaker 1: out with all the hats on it ye jets yea

465
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Speaker 1: retirement and then he does this thing where he's like,

466
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Speaker 1: puts one on. I's like, nope, just kidding. Then he

467
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: pulls out that this is jeopardy and then he's gonna

468
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Speaker 1: go back in the host Jet. That's what he should do,

469
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: but instead we got to wait through the process and say, now,

470
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Speaker 1: what the heck is going to happen. I would love

471
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Speaker 1: for him to go to the Jets. It would be

472
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: hilarious because Farve did it. First of all, that's funny

473
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Speaker 1: to me. He's doing exactly what Farve did. He treated

474
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Speaker 1: his backup quarterback exactly like Farve treated him, like history

475
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 1: is repeating itself. And then him to go to New

476
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: York would just it's the two things that love themselves

477
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: so much, and it would create the perfect media storm,

478
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Speaker 1: either for the Jets to win and he would be

479
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: like a Darling or just like a Kyrie Brooklyn type

480
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: situation where everything has gone wrong and it's a disaster.

481
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Speaker 1: I don't think it goes middle of the road. If

482
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Speaker 1: he goes to the Jets. I think he ends up

483
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: staying with the Packers. Honestly, I think he does it

484
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Speaker 1: again and stays with the Packers. I would love for

485
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Speaker 1: car to go to the Jets. I was looking again

486
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: at these these Car stats. Play hid the worst defense

487
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: period of any quarterback over his time there. When he's

488
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Speaker 1: with the Raiders, he had literally the worst defense every year,

489
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 1: and that sucks. I'd like for him to get a shot,

490
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Speaker 1: because I believe in him. I don't know why he's gritty.

491
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Speaker 1: He cries at press conference. All I need you cry

492
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Speaker 1: at press conference. I believe you can show him practice

493
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'm done. So I would like to see Car

494
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Speaker 1: with the Jets. Rogers will probably stay with the Packers.

495
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: I think Lamar stays in Baltimore. I don't know how they.

496
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Speaker 1: You can't let him go unless you're just getting all

497
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: the picks from somebody. Still, you can't unless you're just

498
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Speaker 1: not gonna pay him. And he only wants all this

499
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: guaranteed money, and you're gonna be Dan Snyder and go.

500
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: I'll give him guaranteed money. I give one billion guaranteed.

501
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: And then he sells the team the next day and

502
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: somebody's on the hook for a billion bucks. He sells

503
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: it to the Lamar the Yes, but we have nothing

504
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers, no indication of what he's gonna do. No, No,

505
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Speaker 1: that was it. I don't like that. You said Kevin

506
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Speaker 1: that he can turn the lights on. How do we

507
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Speaker 1: know that he exactly? We don't. He was watching Netflix

508
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Speaker 1: the whole time. That's not a retreat. I'll be on

509
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: a darning street all weekend. Guess prove I'm not. Prove

510
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Speaker 1: I'm not. The question is we'll go around the room

511
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Speaker 1: your favorite athlete in sports now, not as a kid,

512
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Speaker 1: but we could do both favorite athlete as a kid

513
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Speaker 1: and your favorite athlete right now. And for me, that

514
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Speaker 1: perspective changes because now I know professional athletes and some

515
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: of them are just idiots, and some of them are awesome,

516
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: but they're just like normal people bros. Yeah they got

517
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: they have more money, but they're just normal people. It's

518
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: like artists that I know that are really famous. Some

519
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: of them are awesome, some of them were radiots, but

520
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: they're so they're just normal in many many ways. So, Edie,

521
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Speaker 1: you go, first, favorite athlete as a kid, favorite athlete

522
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Speaker 1: right now? Man, this is weird. As a Cowboys fan,

523
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: just to say out loud, So as a kid, Joe

524
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Montana was my favorite. I mean he was just cool

525
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: like he was. We would win, but he was always

526
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Speaker 1: stress free and I love that about him. So when

527
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: he retired, it was tough. That's when I when I

528
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: went to the Cowboys and like became a Cowboys fan.

529
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Speaker 1: And now it's crazy to say this, but Jalen Hurts

530
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: is my current favorite athlete just because how he handles himself.

531
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Speaker 1: He's like and again Cowboys fan, like I don't. I'm

532
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: not an Eagles fan. I hate the Eagles. Like you've

533
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: picked the two teams you should hate the money, That's

534
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That why I said it's weird for

535
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: me to say, you guys, my favorite's a Longhorn. No,

536
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: and other favorite is the volunteer. But what do we

537
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: know about players They don't care about the teams they

538
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: play with. I mean, Hurts could go to the Cowboys

539
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: for all and he'll take it if that's the best.

540
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: It's weird that you have identified a player on a

541
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: team that you should hate. I agree that both of

542
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: them or that too, not even just well, but Joe's done,

543
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: Like Joe's done, that's that's old or whatever. But with Jalen,

544
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: it's just weird the way he like, you know, I like,

545
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: he's he's awesome. He's a great player. But at the

546
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: same time. He doesn't let his mouth speak for him.

547
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: His actions speak for him, and I love that about him.

548
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: I wish we had more athletes like that, where it's

549
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: like I don't have to say my way into this.

550
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: Just watch me play and that'll speak. That'll speak volumes.

551
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: I saw one of the receivers and Philly say, that's

552
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: what it was like, if he leaves, ship me out

553
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: with him, Okay, that's awesome. Yeah, he was like, if

554
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: he goes, just send me with him. That's like you

555
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: like that too with a quarterback where other players are

556
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: like I'll run though wall for him, Like, that's the

557
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: guy right there. That's pretty cool to see. So I

558
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: come on, big of me to take teams that. I'm like,

559
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: you can't compliment yourself how big you are. No one

560
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: acknowledged me, but okay, no, we acknowledged it was weird

561
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: that both of them were rivals. Are your favorite team

562
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: that you live and die with? That was a weirdness.

563
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: It's very weird to say it Coleman. For me, yeah,

564
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 1: for me as a kid, it's Russell Westbrook. I know

565
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: he takes a whole lot of criticism though, right right, absolutely,

566
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: But for me, like if I have a kid, I'm

567
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: going to tell him that's how you conduct yourself. Doesn't

568
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: matter if it's a preseason game against Sacmano King's an

569
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: NBA championship. He is going one hundred percent the entire game.

570
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: And he's never been a guy that bad mouths a teammate.

571
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: Teammates always seem to have great things to say about

572
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: him and let let the media run with their own stories. So,

573
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook as a kid, what do you But what

574
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: about now Russell Westbrook? Now I'm a little disappointed. I mean,

575
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: we had to see this drop off coming a guy

576
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: that relied so much on his athletic ability. Now when

577
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: NAT's gone, he doesn't quite have the fundamentals to be

578
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: able to succeed. And then for a guy that has

579
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: the mental approach that he does, you know, he's going

580
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: to continue to see himself as the guy or the dog.

581
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: And so the end of his career is not going

582
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: to look pretty. I mean we may not even be

583
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: at the ugliest part of it yet. But for what

584
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: he meant to Oklahoma City and how he conducted himself

585
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: favorite as a kid, for sure, my wife loved us too.

586
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: We have in Russ we trust sweaters and hoodies at

587
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: the house because she's a big thunderfan and she's all in.

588
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: She was all in and I can't badmouth Russ at

589
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: all in the house even now. She's like, we don't

590
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: talk about bad about us now, even now do it?

591
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: It's almost like rest in peace, but don't talk bad

592
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: about him? And what about now? Now, I'd have to

593
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: go with Justin Thomas. So as Russ has fallen off,

594
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Baker easily could have been one, but didn't quite have

595
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: the success that I'd hope for Justin Thomas. I went

596
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: to the PGA Championship this past year that he won,

597
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: watching him live, that was sweet. But I feel like

598
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: he's done a great job kind of not to say

599
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: that he's this guy's level, but taking the torch from

600
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: Tiger as to be the young guy to lead this

601
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: generation of golfers. I guess and expand and grow the game,

602
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: and then he's just a ruthless competitor. I feel like

603
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: he's the real Captain America. Patrick Reid got that after

604
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, a great one, great Perpatrick. It's hilarious, by

605
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, go ahead. But Justin Thomas I believe

606
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: is the true captain America. You know what's interesting, I

607
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: don't feel and it's you're like sixty years old picking

608
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: a golfer is your favorite? Yeah, yeah, which is wild.

609
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: So aside from that, if you had to pick somebody

610
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: that tiger quote unquote passes the torch to, who would

611
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: you say it was? Would you say what? Justin Thomas?

612
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think I will. I wouldn't. I don't think

613
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: I would. I think Rory. But he's not American. And

614
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: you did say captain American and you only love American people?

615
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: Who got it? John Rom's not American, although he looks

616
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: like he's American. Was gut hanging, you know, he's like

617
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: eats the processed foods like we do. Does that thing? No,

618
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying in terms of a talent perspective, but

619
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Speaker 1: in terms of being the face of the sport. What

620
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: about Justin Well yeah? Or what Jordan's Yeah? What about

621
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: Jordan Sho? I know Jordan a little bit right, Jordan's um.

622
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: I love Jordan's speed. I love the commentary that he

623
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: has that we can almost like get into his and

624
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: his daddy's Michaels. Yeah, yeah, we hear him talking throughout

625
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: every single shot. Oh, yeah, Ed, Michael's best friend. We

626
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: played around with it. What are you talking about? Thought?

627
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I am Michael's best We walked with Jordan Michael, we

628
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: played around with them. Ed he would forget my clubs

629
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: walking with Michael and I'm like, bro, he's carrying Jordans.

630
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: Why do you I have mine? You're yeah? And He's like,

631
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: while I was talking to Michael, okay, we're trading. We're

632
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: trading dad stories. And Bobby's like, hey, sand Wedge, I'm like,

633
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: you got it the bags over there, Michael. Yeah. And

634
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Speth just hasn't been as consistent as JT.

635
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: JT has been a top ten player consistently now for

636
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: the last six years. Speith's had that fall off, but

637
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: no doubt he could be argued right up there with them.

638
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: Have y'all watched that show on Netflix? Swing It. I

639
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: can't sway for this journey then, because that's the first

640
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: thing I'm doing. Hey, the first the first episode features

641
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Jordan and Justin so their and their relationship, which is

642
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: really cool. They did it. Yeah, well, I guess um,

643
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I haven't want I want to. There's also the show

644
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: coming out that they just announced that Peyton Mannings Production

645
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: Company finished. That's like the Quarterbacks on Netflix, where all

646
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: those guys are Mike the whole season. We didn't know it.

647
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, Yeah, Mariota too. They were, Wow, that's gonna

648
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: be good. They were. And that's good too, because you

649
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: got Mahomes who want it, Cousins who played better than

650
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: normal and they choked it, and then Mariota who kind

651
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: of flashed early but didn't have a great season overall. Right,

652
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say, like, he's not gonna have a job

653
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: next year guaranteed. So we're watching We're not watching three

654
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks win the whole thing or get deep in the playoffs.

655
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: It's like three different journeys of three different players. So

656
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: that's cool too. My favorite athlete as a kid was

657
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: Mark Grace, first based for the Cubs. I played first base.

658
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: I was left handed, he was number seventeen. Wasn't a

659
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: power hitter, neither was I. He would get on bass

660
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: a lot. I was like, that's my guy. Everything about him,

661
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Mark Grace, Mark Grace I was. And why I brought

662
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: this up is I think my favorite athlete as an

663
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: adult is Pat bev Woow because for a couple of reasons.

664
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: He just doesn't stop when you talking about he's a

665
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: guy that you want on your team, but if he's

666
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: not a team, you hate his guts. Yeah, exactly. And

667
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: that's the dude that I feel like he would have

668
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: everybody's back if he's in the locker room with you,

669
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: even if he may not get along with you right

670
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: then if something happens out on the court, like he's

671
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: got you. Like I would hear him defending Westbrook even

672
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: with the Lakers. He was like, that's my dude. Somebody's

673
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: gonna get into with him. We're gonna go right there.

674
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: But like Pat Bev always goes hard and he's playing

675
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: with the Bulls now, which will be interesting to see.

676
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: He's gone back home, that's where he's from, Chicago. I

677
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: just admire tenacity. And also he did play at Arkansas.

678
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if that affects anything problem being a

679
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook guy. I didn't like the knee injury that

680
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: you're a guy caused. I think I don't own I'm

681
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: a fantasy player that I've drafted or anything. So shut up, Emily,

682
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: what about you? Were you an athlete? Not at all?

683
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: I have a favorite like athlete adjacent. I have a

684
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: weird obsession with Jim Nance, Like his voice is like

685
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: my favorite. I met him really, yeah, he's so nice.

686
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: I love him. He called we were playing at Pebble

687
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: Beach and they did a thing on TV and they

688
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, up next, Bobby Bones, and I get

689
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: up and I was. I was in the group of Aaron.

690
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: I'd be Daron Rodgers. Yeah you did. You can always

691
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: say that I did in the But Jim Nance called

692
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: the shots and he's like, I'm next, uh, host of

693
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Snake in the grass and all right there it is,

694
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And it's crazy to say, like obviously he

695
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: talks like that in normal life, but he really does.

696
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: When he's just talking to he's like, oh, are you

697
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: having fun? You beat the chicken today? It's pretty good.

698
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: It looks like Eddie's walking over toward me right now.

699
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: So was that yours now? Or as a kid? Just

700
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: like always always, I don't really have one now. I

701
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: guess I just keep up with the thunder okay, And

702
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: who's every thunder player? Shay or uh, what's the other guy?

703
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: Jay Williams, the one that looks like Timothy Element. Yeah,

704
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: that's funny. He's like a tall Timothy Shall. Yeah, they

705
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: call him Himothy Him. That's good. He's cute. That's I

706
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: think we found out why guys like thirteen numbers long.

707
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: It's like an Australian area code. Okay, so we're gonna

708
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: go to Joelnardi here. Who Joelnardi's I mean, he's that

709
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: guy for sure. Joelnardi is the guy who created bracketology,

710
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: who has nailed it. I just if we'd have had

711
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: more time, I would have been like, seriously, somebody's like

712
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: tipping you off on stuff occasionally too right, because he's

713
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: got to have so many resources, not illegally, but somebody's

714
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: gotta be calling and being like, I feel like in

715
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: the room, this is happening. And now people like you know, uh,

716
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: Coleman exist, and Coleman's trying this whole new thing. But

717
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: if Leonardi's not there creating this industry, people like Coleman

718
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: probably aren't driving all over the country in mid majors

719
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: going I'm gonna find my niche inside of this niche.

720
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that at that fair? No? Absolutely.

721
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: When I originally started the Twitter that I have now,

722
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: it was a bracketology twitter. Joe was posting like once

723
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: every four days or something like that. That wasn't enough

724
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: for me. So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna try

725
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: and be a bracketologist myself. So Joe definitely inspired the

726
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 1: journey for sure. It's like guys for me that would

727
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: be like a Howard Stern Rush Limball. Although I'm not

728
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: like them. They did things on television and radio, and

729
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: so had they not kicked indoors, I wouldn't have been

730
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: able to go, oh, I want to do that too.

731
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little different, but like respect right, Yeah,

732
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: that's cool. That's it. So Joelnardi ESPN bracketologist. We're talking

733
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: to him now. Hi Joe, Hi Bobby, good to talk

734
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: to you. Is it weird being famous now? Because I

735
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: mean your name is as famous as anybody in sports media.

736
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: I just this is such a you know, you you've

737
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: cornered this market. Is it weird to be Joelnardi parentheses

738
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: famous guy? Only four these two or three weeks a year?

739
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: You know you say that, But I feel like I'm Joe.

740
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm living kind of in an out

741
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: of body experience for about a month. I watch your

742
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: brackets also, like the first week of the season and

743
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: like November, right, and I'm a big Arkansas guy, but

744
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: we're playing like practice games and it's like, here's Lenardi's bracket,

745
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Joe's working like full time. Now, this

746
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: is not even like getting close to the tournament. He's

747
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: going hard all the time. So I would do people

748
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: recognize you at the airport now, I'm like, there's Joelnardi. Yeah,

749
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: I can tell people are staring a little bit from

750
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: time to time, but it's more seasonal than anything else.

751
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: You know, I keep a pretty low profile in the offseason.

752
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be cool if I saw you. I would geek.

753
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: I literally would be nervous to talk to you because

754
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: to me, you know, we're in a fractured fame world

755
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: where everybody's you know, just because you're famous to somebody

756
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're famous to somebody else. But I would

757
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: see you in an airport and go like, I can

758
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: never go up and talk to Joelnardi because I'm a

759
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: massive fan of what he does, so I'm just gonna

760
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: let him be. I would be intimidated by you because

761
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: of how much I respect your work. Is that weird

762
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: to hear that? That would happen. Only the part about

763
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: not coming up to say hi, Like I have no

764
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: issue with that. Like if somebody kind of gives me

765
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: a look sometimes, especially if it's like a high school

766
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: kid or youngster, like I'll almost just put my hand

767
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: out and shake their hand and say, hey, I'm Joe.

768
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: And if they're obviously a college basketball person, I'll say, like,

769
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: who's your squad? And that's an easy way to start

770
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: a conversation. Yeah, please do that to me if you

771
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: ever see me, because I'll be too intimidated because I

772
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: want to bother the big famous Joelnardi. But if you

773
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: see me, say hey, I'm Joe, who's your squad? And

774
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: then we'll be well right off and run and Joe,

775
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: me and you buddies for life. There you go. Okay, Joe,

776
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: where did it start for you back in the day,

777
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: like when you first started to go I want to

778
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: do this job. Were you a writer at a small

779
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: newspaper something like that. I did do a lot of

780
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: sports writing in and around Philadelphia. It's kind of a

781
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: college basketball city because there's six Division One schools, and

782
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: generally in any given season, there's a couple three of

783
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: them that are in the national picture, so you know,

784
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: the tournament is pretty much an annual event. And you know,

785
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I can't say that during those years of being a sportswriter,

786
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: I ever said to myself, Man, I want to work

787
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: at ESPN someday and I want to be a bracketologist,

788
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: because frankly, when I started, there was no ESPN, and

789
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: there definitely wasn't bracketology much less the Internet as a

790
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: way to kind of convey all this and generate a

791
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: following and you know, maybe kind of create something from nothing, Bobby, Like,

792
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I'd like to say there was this grand business plan,

793
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: but there wasn't, and it just evolved into something that

794
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: fueled by the passion frankly of people like you, Like,

795
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: do a lot of people know that you're a college

796
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: basketball junkie. I've found that they're out there and you know,

797
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: the people from all walks of life, because it's it's

798
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of a unique sport in that way, right, Like,

799
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, pro sports are kind of dominated by the

800
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: big cities, but everybody has a team because everybody went

801
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: to school somewhere. Yeah, you know, it could be the

802
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: biggest city in America, you know, UCLA, or it could

803
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: be a small college stam making a run and being

804
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: a Cinderella. And I think in a way that's why

805
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: that the NCAA Tournament is unique in that it's so

806
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: inclusive geographically and all kinds of people. No, I do

807
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: want to get down to brass tacks in a second,

808
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: but I'm just interested in your story so much. And

809
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: have friends who are in the creative space, and you

810
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: know they had to work, well we'll call it a

811
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: real job, until they got to the point where quit

812
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: their a real job to do their passion. So you

813
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: spent thirty years a close to thirty years at Saint Joe's.

814
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: You had a real job communications in marketing. A real

815
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: job is untlike you go, you show up, you do

816
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: the work, and then you go home. But at what

817
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: point did you go, Man, this crazy idea, I can

818
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: actually make my full living. I'm gonna quit my real

819
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: job and do the dream job. Because that's a huge step.

820
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: When did you do that and were you nervous about

821
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: doing it or did you feel set? I didn't really

822
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: ever quit my real job. I just, in a way

823
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: maybe maybe just kind of rose out of it over

824
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: time when our youngest finished college and it became a

825
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: point where I didn't have to be a nine to

826
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: five administrator or a VP and higher ed anymore. And yeah,

827
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: I had always slept to myself, what would happen or

828
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: what could happen with basketball if I didn't have a

829
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: day job. But I loved my day job, and you know,

830
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: it was it was my school. I met my wife there,

831
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: one of our children went to Saint Joe's and and

832
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, you just kind of wake up one morning

833
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: and go, man, I economically I wasn't sure I hadn't

834
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: do that anymore. So it was it was a little

835
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: bit of a risk. But in retrospect, maybe I should

836
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: have made the jump sooner because I'm having a ball. Man. Yeah,

837
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's everything that I've worked for, right, It's

838
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, we worked so hard to have a shot

839
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: at our dream, and then once we get it, it's like, man,

840
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: like it can actually be done. I never thought it

841
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: could be done until I was able to like grind

842
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: myself into it. And like, I hope to be somebody

843
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: that people can look at and go, if he can

844
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: do it, then I can do it. But like, you

845
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: created this whole new space and like I really like

846
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: admire that and the fact that this wasn't happening until

847
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: freaking Joel Nardi did it, and he was doing it

848
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: a long time before it really popped. When did it

849
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: pop for you? Where I went to the next level

850
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: where you're like, holy crapple, what I'm doing is so

851
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: loved by people, and I didn't expect it to be

852
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: this big. There were a couple of inflection points, certainly

853
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: when Bracketology got its own space and page and real

854
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: estate on ESPN dot com. I have been doing it

855
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: for a few years, you know, before frankly, sports websites

856
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: had evolved very much. They were pretty much HTML and ugly.

857
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: And then in twenty o two, somebody got the idea

858
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: to give it its own kind of space and platform

859
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: within college basketball the ESPN, and it launched on a

860
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: Monday night in January. I'll never forget because because I

861
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: went from Philly up to Bristol, you know, to be

862
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: there and help out, and I mean the traffic in

863
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: the first hour or two, the editors and we just

864
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: kind of looked at each other and went, oh, we

865
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: found something. And you know, I'm not very good at

866
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: the business of business, or I suppose I would have

867
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: asked right the end to you know, get paid by

868
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: the hit or something like that. But clearly there was

869
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: Clearly there was an audience, and it coincided with the

870
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: time when frankly, the people who actually picked the tournament

871
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: and CIA Men's Basketball committee was not very open about

872
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: what they did or how they did it. So there

873
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: was if you're a fan of I don't know, Arkansas

874
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: or Boise State or Minnesota or Connecticut, you know, you're

875
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: you're going with what you get out of the local

876
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: paper or maybe a paragraph every once in a while

877
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: in USA today, like back when we had newspapers and

878
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: they'd be outside your hotel room during the morning, and

879
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: here was here. I was kind of letting people into

880
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: something that they were incredibly interested in, but no one

881
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: would have had a way of knowing that. So so

882
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: the combination of digital media and the Internet, and to

883
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: ESPN's credit, you know, look, I'm five five and slow

884
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: on a good day, and like I can't touch the rim.

885
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: I can barely coach a cyo team. And you know,

886
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: the typical model of sports experts on television is former coach,

887
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: former player, right, big name, you know, somebody with a

888
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: built in following, and you know, here. I am just

889
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: the kind of a nobody higher ed person from Philadelphia

890
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: who happens to like college basketball lot. And to ESPN's credit,

891
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: they were about the content, not about you know, how

892
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: I looked or how I sounded, or the fact that

893
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: my resume wouldn't have gotten me interviewed for an assistant

894
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: coaching position at a middle school. Uh. And then you know,

895
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: being reasonably accurate certainly helped over time, but I never

896
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: took it very seriously, probably for another ten or fifteen

897
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: years after that, because it was more of a hobby

898
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: than it was an advocation. Yeah, I just love a vocation.

899
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I should say one final question about just your story

900
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: and we will get to basketball. And I'm so much

901
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: that enjoy the person because this is it like he

902
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: he's like he's a revolution. I mean he is. He'd

903
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: started something and I know it sounds dramatic, but it's

904
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: the truth. And how you know, how I've done things

905
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: I've been in I wouldn't say trouble, but it was

906
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: difficult for me because I'm in the spaces that I've

907
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: been in, I've been very different, which people did not like.

908
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: The old guard did not like. Did you get any

909
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: pushback when you were revealing things from people who were

910
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: working inside of maybe schools or the NCAA, like, hey,

911
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: you shouldn't share that, Joe. I think it probably took

912
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: a little while to gain some credibility in the NCAA

913
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: and athletic administrative world because most people that come into

914
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: something like this have a bias towards their school, toward

915
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: their region, toward their point of view, whatever it might be.

916
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: And I was only interested in learning and getting it right. Yeah.

917
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I have favorite schools and favorite coaches and favorite players,

918
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: just like anybody else. But you know, at the end

919
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: of the day, I get judged on how well I

920
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: can predict what those ten and now twelve people in

921
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: the committee are going to do. It doesn't really matter

922
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,959
Speaker 1: if I think Alabama is better than Houston or better

923
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: than Kansas or better than Perdue. It matters what they

924
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: think and how much and how well do I understand

925
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: their process to replicate it. You know, coaches and administrators

926
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: call me all the time asking for insight, and I

927
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: have to remind it. I don't have a vote. I'm

928
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: never going to never going to have a vote. I'm

929
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: like an election pundit. I look at the polls. I

930
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: look at the numbers I observe and forecast, but you know,

931
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: and I'm unfortunate to have been the first to do it,

932
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: so I have the largest platform, I suppose, but many, many,

933
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: many other people are doing it now and doing it

934
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: quite well and maybe understand the math better than I

935
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: ever will. But my communications background, I think allows me

936
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: to convey it in a way that hopefully makes it watchable.

937
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: Yeah and readable. Five minutes for basketball questions, I would

938
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: just do a whole talk about Joe's life, honestly, but

939
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: being good our listeners, I want to know, Well, you're

940
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: the one, You're the one who's interested in it, so

941
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Well, we could do an hour about

942
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: you Joe. Basketball wise, I watched the Alabama South Carolina

943
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: game last night and I watched Brandon Miller just go

944
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: off scoring forty points. I want to overtime, and I'm

945
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: amazed to watch this kid. It's freshman, but he's also

946
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: in all this trouble, not trouble. All of this stuff

947
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: is coming out about the gun, so not asking about

948
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: that situation. But if he is not on the team

949
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: and Alabama is a clear number one right now, does

950
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: that affect us. I think I do too. Does that

951
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: affect us the seeding without him? Even let's say they

952
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: don't lose a game, but he gets is not able

953
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: to play in the tournament, would they drop him the tide? Probably?

954
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: And I'd say probably because we don't know when he

955
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: would go out, and would there be an opportunity for

956
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: the committee to observe them without him. This actually happened

957
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: once in I want to say it was two thousand

958
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: and nineteen nine, two thousand season. The number one team

959
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: in the country was Cincinnati. The player of the year

960
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: was Kenyan Martin, and in their first conference tournament game

961
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: as the presumptive number one team and top seed, he

962
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: broke his leg and he was out. I mean, obviously

963
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: you're not coming back and playing a week later, right,

964
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: And you know, what do you do at that point?

965
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: You're guessing at what that team is going to be like.

966
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: They ended up getting a two seed, Cincinnati, and they

967
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: lost in the second round. I think to whoever the

968
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: seven was, something in me wants to say Tulsa, but

969
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure of that. And you know,

970
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: that was kind of an experiment in how to observe

971
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: what the committee would do like that was on They

972
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: had no way of logically approaching that. But they couldn't

973
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: make them number one overall just on common sense, because

974
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: then they're giving a disadvantage to some other teams who

975
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: who might have been legitimately better at that point. I

976
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: think in Alabama's case, well, first of all, I don't

977
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: think he's going to miss any games. The university I'm

978
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: putting my higher ed had on universities made it very

979
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: clear what their position is, and I think, barring a

980
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: significant change in evidence, it's not going to change, and

981
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: we could have another whole show on whether that's right

982
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: or wrong. I'm just saying Brandon Miller playing in the

983
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: tournament and this situation being talked about for another month

984
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: is pretty much a guarantee. North Carolina Kentucky because we

985
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: have like three minutes left before I know, you gotta go,

986
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: but North Carolina Kentucky. North Carolina needs to probably make

987
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: a run it. I've never seen aything like it. What's

988
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: happened to them this season versus last season in the expectation.

989
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: And then also Kentucky, who just and they're playing a

990
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: little better now. But both of those teams what do

991
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: they need to do to get in. I think Kentucky's

992
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: reasonably safe at this point. You know, they swept Tennessee.

993
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm not a big eye test guy. I'm more of

994
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: a data of results guy. But it's it's it's pretty

995
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: clear that they figured out a better way to play

996
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: and it involves, you know, keeping the ball in the

997
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: hands more often of their better players, which seems kind

998
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: of a basic and intuitive. But but they they're probably

999
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: going to keep rising a little bit. They're not going

1000
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: to meet the preseason expectations in terms of seating, but

1001
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna be wearing white in their first game. I'm

1002
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: pretty convinced of that. As for North Carolina, without being

1003
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: there every day, like clearly they're a mess in something

1004
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: that's not basketball related, and we may never know what

1005
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: that is. I mean, this is a team, Bobby, you know,

1006
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: like they have four starters back in an age where

1007
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen much, and those players had a sixteen

1008
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: point halftime lead in the National championship game, and like, yeah,

1009
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: Brady Mannock was a really good player and he's not there.

1010
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: But they can't make a shot, and they made enough

1011
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: shots to be in the National championship game, So like,

1012
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: something is not right, and I don't think they're gonna

1013
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 1: make it because I just don't think they're good enough

1014
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: and their body language tells me that they're not. They

1015
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: don't really care enough about being in it, right. They

1016
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: won list night, but yeah the Notre Dame game, but yeah,

1017
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: it weren't good. It was sloppy, and yeah it did

1018
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: not and they beat a bad Notre Dame team too.

1019
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: It was not good at all. And I watched, going,

1020
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna play so much better, maybe they know now,

1021
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: and it just was like a group of guys that

1022
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: they were just a little better, and they won their

1023
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: game and it was over. Like Kentucky found a gear, Yeah,

1024
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: because they were. They were on the apps a couple

1025
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Caroline, Maybe they do find the gear.

1026
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm just not seeing it all right, one minute left here,

1027
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: and this is not a biased question, n except it's

1028
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: extremely biased. Arkansas has Nick Smith finally back Listen, we

1029
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: lost two starters. Nick Smith is finally back lottery pick.

1030
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: He's playing scored twenty five lott More twenty five against Georgia.

1031
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: Well that affect the seating at all If Arkansas does

1032
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: get in, which I hope and think they will. But

1033
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: now that they're their best player is back, well they

1034
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: give them a lift with the committee or are they

1035
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: just like you are who you are. I think it's

1036
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna be more the ladder. I could see maybe a

1037
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: seed line improvement from seeding. But but I'll give you

1038
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: the flip of that, Bobby, which is they're going to

1039
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: get a seed that they're probably better than and able

1040
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: to outperform. So it's not so much in an Arkansas

1041
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: situation as it is like who do they play and

1042
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: those opponents are going to be getting probably a much

1043
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 1: tougher draw because you know, Arkansas has like two seed

1044
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: three seed talent. I think when they really have it

1045
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: together and they've proven their ability to win in March,

1046
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: I think they're very dangerous. All right, we have to

1047
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: let Joe go. Here's the thing, Joe, I'm gonna I'm

1048
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: feeling it for rich Eisin next week on Riches's show,

1049
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: and hopefully I can get you on over there and

1050
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: we'll go straight basketball. I'm just such a big fan.

1051
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: And you guys followed Joe espn Lenardi, Uh, donate to us,

1052
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: go fund me. I don't even know if he has one.

1053
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: But if he does, pay send him some money. You know,

1054
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: I don't. But if you want to do coaches versus cancer,

1055
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: that would be my boom. That's cool. Here we go,

1056
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: all right, Joe Lenard, Joe, we got a clap for

1057
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: you because you're the guy I would appreciate you and

1058
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: we will hopefully see it soon. Joe, see your buddy.

1059
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: All right. That was Joe Lenardi. It's awesome. I wish

1060
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: we'd had more time, but you know, I'm grateful for

1061
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: the like doctors who said, don't be sad because it's over,

1062
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: be happy because it happened, or some crap like that.

1063
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: Not verb. Do you know, Emily what he said said,

1064
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's smile because it happened. Call him.

1065
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: Did not ask you and ask your wife? This is

1066
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: what happens at the house. I wouldn't want him home either, Yeah,

1067
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't listen. Well, yeah, I would be like you

1068
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: need to go to Winchester you for a couple of

1069
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: days and watching their third stream. I get it. I

1070
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: didn't get it, Emily, but now I get it. Yeah. Um,

1071
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: so thanks to Joe for coming on. That's pretty cool.

1072
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I want to talk about this rich

1073
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: Eysen thing in a seconds. I'll be feeling it for

1074
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: rich Eyesend next week, which I'm super excited about, and

1075
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: I'll get to that on my final thought here. But

1076
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 1: I'll be doing a series on TikTok called old people

1077
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: in sports who didn't know We're really cool. Oh that's

1078
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: cool because there are so many awesome We talked about

1079
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: Larry Bird earlier. Right, if we don't see a bunch

1080
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: of old clips in him dominating, we have no idea

1081
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: really how good he was, or TV shows or we

1082
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: depend on that. We depend on content to remind us

1083
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: at how good some of these old folks were. So

1084
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: I have all these people that I'm gonna do on

1085
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: my TikTok, which is mister Bobby Bones. But I'm gonna

1086
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: start with Pistol Pete, which just listen to the few notes,

1087
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: and if you've seen the Pistoeet movie back in the day,

1088
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: or if you've seen clips, I don't think people can

1089
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: fully appreciate how good Pete Mirovich was for a bunch

1090
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: of reasons. But I mean, he was showtime before the Lakers.

1091
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: He was doing no look passes, the ball handling, that

1092
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: would be advanced today he was doing then. But think

1093
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: about how advanced it was then. He was a great

1094
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: shooter if they would have had the three point line.

1095
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: They didn't have the three point line. His popping on

1096
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: from three when there was no three. He averaged forty

1097
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: four points a game at LSU was no three point line.

1098
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: Forty four points a game without a thing. I mean,

1099
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: you're talking about fifty five a game probably if there's

1100
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: a three point line. Can't even fathom that. It's so wild.

1101
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: His number has been retired, And here's the thing. People

1102
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: go like, well, he was a failure in the NBA.

1103
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: His number has been retired by three different NBA teams,

1104
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: the Hawks, the Jazz, and the Pelicans. The NBA did

1105
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: not even put in three point line until his final

1106
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: season in the NBA, and so he averaged I think

1107
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: twenty or so in the NBA before his knees gave out.

1108
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: But with no three point line, he was just so

1109
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: ahead of his time. So what I'll be doing in

1110
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: the series and showing videos and the pistol Pete thing,

1111
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: I just get angry even in myself for not given

1112
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: the respect he deserves. Yeah, I'm like, I'm so stupid.

1113
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 1: Why do I not love Pete more? It's because I didn't.

1114
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: I haven't been educated properly. So I'm doing a series

1115
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: soon called Old People. I don't really have the name

1116
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: yet work out that's something about I don't know if

1117
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: this will be in your series. But this was a

1118
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: little tidbit I got. So people on Twitter, um, some

1119
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: have been joining me for games. So I got joined

1120
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: by this North Carolina kid that he's a diehard NC

1121
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: State people are just like, you're like fish or yeah,

1122
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: They'll they'll just DM me be like, hey, I'm going

1123
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: to that game. Fans. It's like grateful dead something like that. Yeah,

1124
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: he tells you that Pete was supposed to go to

1125
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: NC State, didn't make the act score high enough, and

1126
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: then he went to LSU. Could have been an NC

1127
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: State player, but then your TikTok, that won't make it

1128
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: a failure. Awesome, So that'll be coming up. I do

1129
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: want to go over to this interview with coach Dana

1130
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: four from Missouri State. What was he like as a

1131
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: guy man? He was awesome to meet with, just a

1132
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: very respectable dude. Has an incredible foundation called the Rebound Foundation.

1133
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: He and his wife started where um, they take homes

1134
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: that had domestic violence. The female they helped support for

1135
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: the next six months to a year try to find

1136
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: a job, find living things that awesome. So he seemed

1137
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: like an incredible dude in my time with him. So

1138
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,479
Speaker 1: here he is. This is Coleman with coach Dana Ford

1139
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: doing a big at Missouri State. Here with coach Dana

1140
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: Ford had basketball coach of Missouri State, Coach Ford. I

1141
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: just wanted to ask you, growing up great high school

1142
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: basketball player, played college basketball at Illinois State. What pushed

1143
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: you to pursue basketball and then coaching after your playing career. Well,

1144
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: I grew up in a small town in southern Illinois

1145
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: and basketball was king and that's really the only thing

1146
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: that we had to do, and fell in love with

1147
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: the game at a young age. Was fortunate enough to

1148
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: play in college. And after college, you had a decision

1149
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: to make. And I've been impacted by coaches my entire life.

1150
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: My high school coach Chuck Nody, my college coach is

1151
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: Tom Richardson, Porter Moser, and so fortunately I chose that

1152
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: path and it's been a great experience. I'm o you, alum,

1153
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: So I gotta here. Coach Moser speak before the season

1154
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: this year. His inner g is just contagious from What

1155
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: is something that you learned from coach Moja and your

1156
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: playing career that you implement with your current teams today. Well,

1157
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from him, and he's very He's

1158
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: got a tremendous basketball mine. Just the importance of body language,

1159
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, the importance of habits, you know, the importance

1160
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: of commitment, attending to detail. There are so many things

1161
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: that we try to implement in our program right now

1162
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: on a daily basis as well. What was it like

1163
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: before you're even thirty years old getting offered a head

1164
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: Division one coaching job, being the youngest coach in college basketball?

1165
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, it was a very humbling experience. It was

1166
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: unique twenty eight years old head coach, something that you

1167
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: dream about, not necessarily doing it by that age, but

1168
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: but you feel like one day you can run your program.

1169
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: And Teresa Phillips, athletic director at Tennessee State at the time,

1170
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: I believed in me and so very appreciative for that.

1171
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: And you know, just every day of my life from

1172
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: banking to be a college basketball Take me through the lows,

1173
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: I guess of your first season five wins to then

1174
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: the highs of your very next year, quadrupling that getting

1175
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: twenty wins at a program that it only had a

1176
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: winning season two times in the last nineteen years. You know,

1177
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: the first year was tough and took over a program

1178
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: and it basically we had to bring in twelve new

1179
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: players and that that was not an easy task, but

1180
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: it was something that had to be done. And you know,

1181
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: it was sort of a blessing in the skies because

1182
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: we had a chance to implement our culture from day

1183
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: one because all the players were guys that we had

1184
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: brought in and the one returner was a guy that

1185
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: died signed when I was an assistant coach there, and

1186
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: so that that was fortunately that helped us the following year.

1187
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: Our culture was in place. We just added we just

1188
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 1: need to add a few more bodies, anew more guys

1189
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: that can do some things. Our kids played really hard,

1190
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: great kids, and won a lot of close games and

1191
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: ultimately ended up with twenty win season. When you're an

1192
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: assistant at which state you landed Fred Vanfleet, When you're

1193
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 1: at Tennessee States ahead you land Robert Covington, How are

1194
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: you able to find those diamonds in the rough, and

1195
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: then what is it like seeing their success in the NBA.

1196
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just a blushed man. I mean, I'd

1197
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: like to say that it's something else, but just the

1198
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: Lord lead me to the right places at the right times.

1199
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: To be honest, both of those guys are our coach's dream,

1200
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: high character kids, are tough, underachievers, play with a chip

1201
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: on their shoulder and become over achievers, you know. But

1202
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's exciting to see those guys have

1203
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: success because they're following their dreams. And you know, I

1204
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: use those guys as examples to our players every single

1205
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: day that you can you can obtain your dream somebody

1206
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: where you go. Right. Last year, twenty three wins here

1207
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: at Missouri State, most wins in the program in the

1208
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: last eleven years. What did that mean for you personally?

1209
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: And then for this program? Well, just personal I was

1210
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: happy for our players. We had a couple of guys

1211
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: that had stuck together for a few years and uh,

1212
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, we got a big key Engauge brand that

1213
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: could have transferred when anywhere in the country, but but

1214
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: stuck with us. And then we had a dynamic guard

1215
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah Mosley, probably the same scenario. But and then we

1216
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: had a host of high character guys playing around them,

1217
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: uh you know, Jamonte Black and Scott Patterson, Isaac Haney,

1218
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: Keith and Hervey, Donnie Clay. I mean, so we had

1219
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: a nice mixture of guys and so so just personally,

1220
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: I was just happy for the players this year, replacing

1221
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: essentially your entire roster nearly Donovan Clay the only guy

1222
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: averaging over two points a game returning. What was that

1223
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: challenge like? And how are you able to get chemistry

1224
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: to jail so quickly? Yeah, you know, it wasn't an

1225
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: ideal situation, but we had to play the hand of

1226
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: cards that we were dealt, and uh, you know, it

1227
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: was it was challenging because that's a lot of phone calls,

1228
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot of official visits, it's a lot of

1229
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: background check, character check, and uh, you know, I give

1230
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: credit to our staff a great job, and we've assembled

1231
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: a group of guys that have the potential to develop

1232
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: into a really good team. This year has been up

1233
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: and down due to a lot of different reasons, but

1234
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: I think most importantly just struggling with the level of consistency.

1235
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: You need to be good every day. But I think

1236
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: that comes from age. And you know, I have a

1237
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: lot of fun coaching this group, very fun group, and

1238
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: so looking forward to see how they can develop over

1239
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,959
Speaker 1: the next couple of years. How integral has Donovan Clay

1240
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: played in being able to carry that identity, the culture

1241
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: that you've established in previous years to this team with

1242
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: so many newcomers. He's played a big part of that.

1243
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: And just you know, having an understanding of what we

1244
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: like to do in regards to how we like to operate,

1245
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: having a voice in the locker room, uh, you know,

1246
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: especially dealing with so many first year Division one players,

1247
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: I think that that's very important. And you know, Donnie

1248
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: wants to win verst and foremost, and I think that that,

1249
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, throughout the course of this year has helped

1250
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: bring along some guy a little quicker at what we imagine.

1251
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: You've been able to bring in three Power six transfers

1252
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: along with two guys that played for NCAA tournament teams

1253
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: have been majors a year ago. What are your thoughts

1254
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: just in general on the transfer portal. Clearly you're able

1255
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: to utilize it for your success, you know, I think

1256
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: it's some positives and some negatives with our situation of

1257
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: signing some of the players, we felt that it was

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01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: necessary to tap into it a little bit. You know,

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: each year is a different challenge. Each team needs a

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: different type of player. But it's it's good to have

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01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: that option if you need it, and then it's good

1262
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: for the players to have the option if you're using

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. But that's like anything, and

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: so you know, my thoughts on the portal is it's

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01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: here to stay, and I think that the best device

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: is to figure out how to utilize it in order

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01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: to help your approgram. The previous three years, you all

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01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: have been about the middle of the pack in the

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01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: country in tempo this year three hundred and fifty fifth

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01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: out of three sixty three. What has been the reasoning

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01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: for that? Concerted that third to play a slower style. Well,

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: we struggle taking care of the ball, and uh, you know,

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: when we played really really fast, we turn the ball

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: over and then other team gets it in lazy in

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: it gets open shot. So until we can mature and

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: develop our skill to where we can take care of

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01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: the ball, and it's best that we take our time

1278
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: and at least get a shot at the rim. Right

1279
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Do you feel like your team is

1280
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: peaking at the right time as we head towards March

1281
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: and Arch madness. Well, you know, prior to our last

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: two games, I felt like we were starting to play really,

1283
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: really a lot better. Our last few games, we haven't.

1284
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: We haven't necessarily started one game very well and then

1285
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: finished another game very well. I do think in between

1286
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: we're doing some good things. What I like about our

1287
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: group is their high character. They keep working, They're a

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01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: lot of fun, and I do think that they can

1289
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: get hot and beat anybody. We've proven that we've got

1290
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,959
Speaker 1: I want to say, four wins against the top five

1291
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 1: teams in our league, and that's not easy to do, right, So,

1292
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, looking to you to work at it and

1293
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: hopefully play our best basketball a week from now. Right

1294
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: to that point, you all have already swept Drake. What

1295
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: kind of confidence does that give your guys in the

1296
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: locker room that, hey, we can play with anybody in

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01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: this conference. We just have to be playing our best

1298
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: basketball come early March. I think it gives the guys

1299
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. Drake's a really good team, a

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01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: program we have a lot of respect for. They're obviously

1301
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: one of the best bidden major. It's not one of

1302
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: the best programs in the country issue, and so just

1303
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: being able to draw back from those experiences throughout the

1304
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: year should help us and and no only help us

1305
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: this year, but help us in the years ago. I've

1306
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: got a bit of a tough question for you. I

1307
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: noticed through your career you had six conference tournament losses

1308
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: by one possession or less. What is the lows of

1309
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: that like to end your season when you're so close

1310
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: to surviving and advancing, and then conversely, does that fuel

1311
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: your fire even more to bring home a conference championship.

1312
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: It's a great question, and I think it does. You know.

1313
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: I think those hardships that we dealt with have to

1314
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: have fueled us to continue to keep keep going and

1315
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: and um, you know, looking for our opportunity eventually break

1316
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: through one day. I didn't quite notice that many. Remember,

1317
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a chance, if you'd like to,

1318
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: to speak on your faith and what that's done for

1319
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: you within coaching and impacting young people's lives as a coach. Yeah,

1320
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: it's been really important to me, and it's developed over time.

1321
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: My wife Christina has really helped me. Um, it's something

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: that I hold near and dear to my heart. I

1323
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: take very serious. Um, you know, no one's perfect, but

1324
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the beauty of your faith. It's just

1325
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: having someone to lean on, to carry you and just

1326
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: be there for you, especially and in tough times, you know.

1327
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: And so we've all got to spend eternity somewhere, and

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01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: so I'd like to spend mine in Paradise, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, I'd like to give you a

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01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 1: second to speak on your foundation, what that is and

1331
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: what I guess inspired you to start that. So the

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: Rebound Foundation was started by my wife Christina and I

1333
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: and both being from families who are domestic violence as

1334
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 1: a nasty history, and after the birth of our daughter,

1335
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: Charlie Rose, eight years ago, we felt like we needed

1336
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: to be able to reach out and help our community

1337
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: that she was growing up in in some way, and

1338
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: so we started Rebound Foundation and we provide transitional housing

1339
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: for women and children that leave a shelter and we

1340
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: do that for six months to a year and pay

1341
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: their bills and by their groceries. We give them everything

1342
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: they need to rebuild their lives. And the job place

1343
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: me financial literacy, and we just try to give people

1344
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: a second chance. You know, it's no different in basketball.

1345
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,839
Speaker 1: You miss your first shot, get the rebounding shot. That's amazing.

1346
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time today, coach wishing

1347
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: you and your team best of luck the rest of

1348
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: the way. Thank you all right, thanks to coach Forward

1349
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: for that. That's awesome. Actually haven't heard it yet. I

1350
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: recorded the end and out of that interview and I

1351
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: listen to it later, but I'm sure it was awesome.

1352
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: It was all right. Let's do final thoughts, Mike. You

1353
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: want to final thoughts? Yeah, I gotta go over to

1354
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: the NHL team, the Preds and do a shoot. Was

1355
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: supposed to happen in forty minutes, but instead it's in ten.

1356
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: Where are you gonna play for him? What are you doing? Well?

1357
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to really spoil I get drafted at

1358
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: age forty two. Around the room, Eddie final thought. So

1359
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: I was given homework to watch the slam Dunk contest

1360
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: and I did. Dude was mcl awesome. Mac mcclough was awesome.

1361
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know how inc Max Gray. I don't

1362
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: know how he plays, Like, how's he doing the NBA?

1363
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: Is he good? Because he looks like he could be

1364
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: good and Coleman can speak on this after I mess

1365
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: it up. He is a nightmare if to have out

1366
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: there defensively, it's it's tough. It's tough for him to

1367
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: guard these guys right now, and so it's a little struggle.

1368
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 1: Bus Well. I mean, look at him, he's a small guy.

1369
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: He can jump. I just think defensively right now, he

1370
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: ain't there and I think that's that's what's tough. What

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01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: do you think about that answer? No, I agree completely, Yeah,

1372
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: small guard to play the two, he's not really a one,

1373
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, Well, I mean should that he dominated

1374
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: that dunk contest, but I don't understand too how they

1375
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: judge it. Like to me, I'm like this, these were

1376
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: all awesome, like every single one except Jericho Sims like

1377
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: doing the whole thing hanging on his even moved. Did

1378
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: you see the like none of the other players has

1379
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: been reacted when he did it, they were like, okay,

1380
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: it's and it's and then afterwards he grabbed his elbow

1381
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: like ow that hurts, Like that of course it hurts. Yeah,

1382
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Thanks for the homework, dude. I enjoyed

1383
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: watching that. Kevin beginning of the football season. You know,

1384
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: we came up with the great name. Of course Coleman

1385
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: wasn't here, but kick off Kevin. So I was thinking

1386
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: the other day, I was like, well, do I need

1387
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: to change it from basketball? You can't know, you can't

1388
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: change it. You are who you are. But tip off

1389
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: Kevin sounds pretty day. There's no alliteration, and we're really

1390
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: doing this basketball for six weeks and football is like

1391
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: a four month thing. I like, then you should be

1392
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: tip off Tevin. It's like a chop part of our

1393
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: tongue off. Now, tip off Tevin, It's how I feeling

1394
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: up my tongue. Okay, my final thoughts, I think Russell

1395
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: Westbrook in his prime talking about my former favorite player.

1396
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: Um was a poor man's Lebron James and you could

1397
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: have won an NBA championship around him. He never had

1398
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 1: a team set around his skill set, had terrible shooters

1399
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: and was still leading the league and assists with guys

1400
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: like Andre Robertson standing there in the corner. But what

1401
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: about when like we'll go to the Okay, see days

1402
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: when Pardon was coming off as a six man Durant obviously,

1403
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: like that was a pretty good team but you're saying

1404
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: because it wasn't built around him. Look at what Lebron's

1405
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: always had. He's always had a great big that he

1406
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: can use in the pick and pop or pick and

1407
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,879
Speaker 1: roll a bosh Anthony Davis to Kevin Love. Russell Westbrook

1408
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: has never had that guy. He made Steven Adams look

1409
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: like he had offensive ability that it just feels like blasphemy.

1410
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: Comparing him to Lebron poor Man's poor Man's with Porson

1411
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: like third World country. Ye like nothing, we want to

1412
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: give your kitch all this praise, but triple double and

1413
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. The movie was trying to knock me, but

1414
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: Westbrook's like he's a stat pack whatever, it's his own. Emily,

1415
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: have a final thought for the day, Glad I can

1416
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: make my podcast debut on a sports podcast where my

1417
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: favorite athlete is Jim Nay Yeah, and Blake because he's big.

1418
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: It's a big dude. Yeah. I'm sure he played at

1419
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: some high school level of college level. Bi wow, yeah, Um,

1420
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: Emily had what kind of podcast would you do though?

1421
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: If someone said, Emily, you get to a podcast, but

1422
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: anything in the world that you're an expert on? Um?

1423
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 1: I listened to the morning toes. So it's my wife. Yeah.

1424
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: I have talked to Caitlin about it before. Um yeah,

1425
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: just like pop culture news probably what's really filling your

1426
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 1: cup right now pop culture wise or something that's like, oh,

1427
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: this is what I'm thinking about right now. Come on

1428
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: you guys. I got to come back to you think

1429
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: about it. It's like, here's my final thought. Um. So

1430
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: Rich eyes And called me yesterday and I was with Eddie.

1431
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: We're working out, and I had my Apple Watch on

1432
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: just because I like to see where we are time wise.

1433
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm just a big time freak and so pop pops up.

1434
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: But I don't have his number on my phone. But

1435
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: sometimes their name will be attached to their number and

1436
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: it's like, la rich Eisen, And I'm like, Eddie, rich

1437
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: Eisen's calling me right now. He's in the middle of

1438
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: a push up. Yeah, And so I'm not gonna answer. Hey, Rich,

1439
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: I call him, dude, pick up the phone. He's like,

1440
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm not gonna talk from my watch. And

1441
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: second of all, Rich, hey, buddy, So I don't. I

1442
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: don't answer it there, and then I feel like I

1443
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 1: got to be in the right head space to talk

1444
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: to rich Eisen. And like he's been on the show,

1445
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: but that was professional, like I could talk to anybody

1446
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: in this space, but like human, I struggle a little bit,

1447
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: like one on one. And so I didn't call him

1448
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: back at all last night. What you didn't, Well, like

1449
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: I was pretty busy, but still I couldn't. I just

1450
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,600
Speaker 1: wasn't in the right head space. I was tired. I

1451
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: don't want to like remember first talk to the rich

1452
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: and I'll be good. It's like first day. And so

1453
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: I texted him and said, hey, man, I'll be around.

1454
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna talk to him today like what later

1455
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: this afternoon at like five, And I'm know he's gonna say.

1456
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: I hope it's cool, but I'm a little nervous about it.

1457
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: I have at my calendar. Dude, what if he's like, hey,

1458
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: here's what you're gonna do. Don't do this, do that,

1459
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: do that? When you'd be like, oh, oh yes, mister, yes,

1460
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: I did see him comment on your Instagram that was cool.

1461
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: Which one when when I was stead of stilling in yeah, yeah,

1462
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: I said I'll leave the keys under the matter or something. Yeah, hope, awesome.

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Speaker 1: I hope he's like that in person. I don't know,

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: but I was nervous. It was like watching it like

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Speaker 1: I was in eighth grade and the girl called except

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01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: no girl ever called me an eighth grade, So I

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Speaker 1: know what that was really like, Emily, what do you

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Speaker 1: have now? What do you what do you think about

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Speaker 1: that time? I feel like I've been keeping up with

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Speaker 1: like Rihanna's baby announcement and then em Rada. Do you

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: guys keep up with em Rada and her new boyfriend Eric?

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Speaker 1: Do you know who these people are? Hold on him?

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Speaker 1: Eric Andre? Though I thought he was with Emily Radakowski Emrada. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh that's what they call her, em Rada. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a picture of them. She said that like we'd

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Speaker 1: all know. But then I acted like I knew because

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Speaker 1: I was. But so I also have been falling. He's

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Speaker 1: the Valenti picture they posted. They were like naked, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like he gives hope. Together, we were just like funny

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Speaker 1: and normal because it's it's not like he's ripped up

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Speaker 1: or anything. Right, Yeah, so Europe set you like that relationship? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like something current I've been following. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're going to be together in a week

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Speaker 1: from now, but was crazy you ship them a ship. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what are you talking about this podcast? Look, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'll go and cover fashion for Eat and then I'll

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Speaker 1: go to rich Eysen. That's how diverted. I am versatile.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that was right. We thank you Emilly for

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01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: hopping in here. And I was just like, Emily, you

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01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: can come sit with us. And I was like, we'll

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01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 1: just going sitt in a microphone. She's like this one

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Speaker 1: is like just go and talk, all right. I was like,

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01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: check your mind. She's like why. I was like, who

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Speaker 1: knows that? Turning her podcast into the Breakfast Toast, the

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Speaker 1: Morning Toet whatever. Don't talk about my girls. Okay, I'm big.

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Speaker 1: Jackie stands okay, alright, alright, so it's COVID. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jackie is awesome. They're both awesome, but I'm more of

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01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: a Jackie, you know. She she she plays a straight person.

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Speaker 1: She's smart, she sets her sister up for success and

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Speaker 1: obviously hilarious. But Jackie like that's my girl. Yeah, she's good.

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Speaker 1: I'm leaving with Eddie maybe here we're about to go

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Speaker 1: back and listen to it. Mike. We're good, We're good.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thank you guys, we will see you Monday.

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Speaker 1: Coleman will be in studio and Emily, you're welcome to

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: join us again if you'd like. I'll be gone, but

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01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I'm glad. Its like she was

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: about to be the yes this podcast. Yeah, yeah know,

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: she's olay favorite. Coleman's out. It's just her, all right,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, and go ahead, uh, go ahead, and

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Speaker 1: Kevin blow us out. I'm not gonna lie. I don't

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Speaker 1: know more money, guys. I'm the dependable one. I got you,

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Speaker 1: all right. We'll see you guys next week