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Speaker 1: welcome into the All Ball Podcast. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This

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Speaker 1: week's guest is Eric Musselman. He's the head coach of Nevada.

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Speaker 1: He's had an amazing life and he's only in his fifties.

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Speaker 1: involved in in the fight. And you know, it was

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00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: interesting because both teams University of Minnesota at the time

430
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: of Ohio State UH DOUG were really really good basketball

431
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: teams and my dad was from Ohio. Um, there was

432
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: actually a player on the University of Minnesota, Chief Young,

433
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: who was from Columbus Ohio and Ohio they did not

434
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: recruit him. And there was a halftime where in Minnesota

435
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: player with spit on as they were leaving the floor,

436
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, unfortunately, uh, you know, a fight

437
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: did didn't do at the at the end of the game.

438
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: And UM, you know there was there was a lot

439
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: of things that people didn't know. Uh, they kind of

440
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: led up to that fight. Um, but it happened. And

441
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's that one incident, UM is probably what

442
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: drove my dad to go to the Pro games. Yeah,

443
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: he left the University of Minnesota and UH went worked

444
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: as a as a head coach in the A B

445
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: A for the San Diego Sales, and that team folded

446
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: because they found out about eight games into the A

447
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: B A season that they were not going to be

448
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: part of the NBA merger. Um. And that following year

449
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: was when you know, the Spurs and the Paces and

450
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: the Nets UH entered into the NBA, and the teams

451
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: that were remaining in the A B A they all folded.

452
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: And so that the owners found that out and they

453
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to continue the year. UM. And so I

454
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: learned at a really young age because at that time

455
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: I was in junior high. We had you know, my

456
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: dad had left a really stable situation for the Pro game,

457
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting at dinner table one night, and my

458
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: dad's out of a job, and and my mom is

459
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: upset because she loved living in Minnesota. Um, and so

460
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: you know what what happens next, And and Virginia Squires

461
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: hired my dad about two weeks after the sale folded. Um,

462
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: and so he was off the previnion. Our family was

463
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: was then separated. And as you know, Doug, when your dad,

464
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: you know, when Bob was coaching, you were probably not

465
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: with him all the time. That's just kind of what happened. Yeah. No, No,

466
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: my brother, my brother's birthdays in March, early March, and

467
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: I remember that, Uh, it wasn't until um, I think

468
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: eighties six. So my brother was that was seventy two

469
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: steths like his fourteenth birthday, I think, I think honestly

470
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: was the first birthday my dad was ever around my

471
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: brother for like literally wasn't doing fourteen years old because

472
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: back then you had eighteen scholarships and the second one

473
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: season was over, you had to get on the road.

474
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: And and he had this Honda Civic and he would

475
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: go and drive and go all across the country and

476
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: and and find find find more players. Um. He was

477
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: the head coach to the Minnesota Timber rules when when

478
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: they were an expansion team. And here's what I remember,

479
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: and this is what I remember from pump camp when

480
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: I was a kid, was they used to talk about

481
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: your dad. Go, now, he's a great coach, but does

482
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: anybody know he's actually running a one three one? Is

483
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: that accurate? Is that he was? It was that was

484
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: back in the days of the old old illegal defense

485
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: rules where you couldn't play zone, right, and they used

486
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: to give the ball to Michael Jordan's you know, Kevin Lockery,

487
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: gave it to him on one side of the court,

488
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: put everybody else in the other. And your dad was like,

489
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: the hell with it, I'm just gonna find are ei

490
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: a way of running a one three one? Is that

491
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: an accurate recollection? Yes? It is. And it was interesting

492
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: because when we kind of presented it to the team, um,

493
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, because of the illegal defensive rules, my dad

494
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: would were you know, worded that we're playing a you know,

495
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: hyperbolical transitional floating zone. Man demand um And then flip

496
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: actually flips Honders ended up when the when the rules

497
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: changed and you were allowed to play his zone in

498
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: the NBA, which are still currently allowed to flip ended

499
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: up using that same um zone defense, which was basically

500
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: a matchup zone, but out of a one three one. Look.

501
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: You know that because I was with my dad. Tom

502
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: Thibodeau was an assistant coach with the Timberwolves team, and

503
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: he did some really really unique, uh you know, strategic things.

504
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: For instance, one night he had Randy Brewer, who was

505
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: seven foot four, guard Magic Johnson, and Magic was obviously

506
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: a point guard for the Layers, and and it worked

507
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: perfectly for us. He basically had Randy Brewer at seventh

508
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: four back completely off of Magic and try to take

509
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: away all the Magic Johnson's post ups and forced him

510
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: to shoot three point shots, which at that time, you know,

511
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: Magic was an incredible post up player at the point

512
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: guard position, UM, and not a very consistent three point shooter.

513
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: So he thought outside the box. UM. Although a lot

514
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: of people thought he was old school. UM, when you

515
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: think about the warm up, you think about doing things

516
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: like having Randy Brewer guard Magic, or you think about

517
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: the one three one when zone defenses were not legal

518
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: in the NBA. He was. He was pretty creative and

519
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: very very innovative. This is obviously a question that I

520
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: think of oftentimes during times. I lost my dad four

521
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: years ago, you lost yours eighteen years ago. Um, you've

522
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: been through a lot, right from being two times an

523
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: NBA head coach, bouncing around at the college system, but

524
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: now you've clearly made a mark in college. How much

525
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: hell can you think of him? Probably at the same

526
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: time you think you know as much as you think

527
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: about your dad. Um, Doug, I don't do you know?

528
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: It never changes. Um, It's pretty interesting. When when I

529
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: had my press conference, the first NBA job I had

530
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: with Golden State, I think I was like thirty six

531
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: or or something, and and so I was in my

532
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: brand new office getting ready for the press conference to start.

533
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: My mom was there with me, along with one of

534
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: my sons, and I broke down crying about fifteen minutes

535
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: before the press conference because you know, my goal and

536
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do is I wanted to be

537
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: the first father's son head coaches in the NBA. And

538
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: at that time, you know, we were the only father

539
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: son head coaches. And since then the Malone's done it.

540
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: But UM, I I really wanted that, UM as a goal.

541
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: And when you're you know, when you're in high school

542
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: and you say you want to be an NBA head coach.

543
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: You know, your dad's even rolling his eyes, like, Hey,

544
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: that's awesome, but it's really hard. You gotta have a

545
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: lot of breaks, and um, it was a really emotional

546
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: time for me. And you know the hardest thing when

547
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: you lose a parent or a loved one, because for me,

548
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: my dad was not only my idol, but he was

549
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: my best friend, uh, and someone that I talked to

550
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: every single day from the day that I left my

551
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: first day, uh, going to the University of San Diego

552
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: as a freshman. Not a day went by where I

553
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: didn't pick up the phone and talk to my dad.

554
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden sickness happens and he's

555
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: gone in a short time, and and uh, you know

556
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: the one thing I just hope he's he's watching what's

557
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: going on, because because it hasn't always been easy. Um.

558
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: You know, you get these two jobs at a young

559
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: age in the n b A and and then you

560
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of got to resurrect your career and figure out

561
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: what direction it's gonna go. And you know, some people

562
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: that are good friends of mine, like Tom Thibodeau. Tom

563
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: was very frustrated not getting a head job until he

564
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: was into his fifties. But yet when he got that job, uh,

565
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: you know he was ready for it through working for

566
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: great coaches and sometimes younger coaches. You know, you climb

567
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: up the ladder so quickly, uh, and then all of

568
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: a sudden the rug can get pulled out of you.

569
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: But the great thing about that is when you get

570
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: it back, the appreciation becomes tenfold. One thing you learned

571
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: from Chuck Daley, well, shoot, Doug, that would take me.

572
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: He was a second father to me. Um, what was it? Well?

573
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: How about this? How about this? This is he's really

574
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: he's fascinating me because he didn't play. And I'm always

575
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: fastening like you were a player I played like I do.

576
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Think it's I've always had this. I'm not negative perception,

577
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: but I've struggled. The few coaches I've struggled most with

578
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: were with guys that didn't play, Like, I don't know

579
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: there whereas I think there's a there's a field Chuck

580
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: till he didn't play. On the other hand, Um, he

581
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: he was great in college and even better in the pros.

582
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: And I mean people forget he was the coach of

583
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: the Dream Team and there was no there was no

584
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: real arguing there in terms of when he got the job,

585
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, somebody else should get it. He

586
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: had an amazing way of handling superstars, and UM, I

587
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: just I'm I'm just fascinated by Chuck d He feels

588
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: like the least studied all time great coach I can

589
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: think of. I don't know why that is. Like when

590
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: we point to great coaches. We talk obviously about Phil Jackson,

591
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: we talked about Larry Brown. I think some people talk

592
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: about Rudy Tom Jonovinc. Um. You know obviously read our bak.

593
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean kind of we go through him. I don't

594
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: feel like Chuck Daly and you, like you said you

595
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: were very close to him and you coached with him. Um,

596
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: are there any nuggets that you that that are resonate

597
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: the most with you? Well, hit number one, You're right

598
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: about handling the most incredible UH coach that I've ever

599
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: seen with rapport with his players, an incredible people person. Um.

600
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: He could predict the future. Um he would. He would

601
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: not just in a game, but in a season. His

602
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: big thing was there's always gonna be turbulence in every season. Um.

603
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: Kind of like a pilot encounters turbulence when he flies

604
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: a plane, and Coach Daily always said, you know, my

605
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: job is to try to land the plane safely when

606
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: the season ends. Um, and he there's just so many wings. Uh.

607
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: There was a night when Vernon Maxwell, who was on

608
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: that Magic team, was struggling, and I kept saying, Coach,

609
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: we got Vernon out of the games. He's killing us.

610
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: And a couple of minutes went by and and Coach

611
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: Daily called the time out. When we went to huddle

612
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: before we met with the team, he he winked at

613
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: me and he said, must I'm gonna show you how

614
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,959
Speaker 1: you take Vernon Maxwell out of the game. And so

615
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: we go into the huddle and he diagrams a play

616
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: for Vernon. The guys get up to go out of

617
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: the huddle, and he says, hey, Vernon, I'm gonna sub

618
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: you out. We're gonna put Darryl Armstrong in. And Vernon's

619
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: happy because he thought there was a play gonna be

620
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: run for him out of the time out. And so

621
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: Vernon sits on the end of the bench and then

622
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Chuck Lean's back and he goes, now, do you know

623
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: what would have happened if I would have said a

624
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: sub down live ball situation. He's on the other side

625
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: of the floor. He gotta walk all the way down

626
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: ninety ft to the bench, and he'd be mumbling under

627
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: his breath. And so he had all these little things,

628
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: Doug that he was phenomenal with. Horace Grant hated the

629
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: practice and so Coach Daily went to him in training

630
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: camp and he said, hey, Horace, here's the deal. I

631
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: know the year before Coach Daily, he's talking the year

632
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: before you got here. You wouldn't practice. Do this for me.

633
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: Let me pull you out of practice when I know

634
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna do something that you don't want to do,

635
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: or that's gonna be strenuous on your body. I'll get

636
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: you ready to play the games. You gotta go through stretching,

637
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: you gotta suit up. You can't sit over there in ice.

638
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: And so he had all these little ways that he

639
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: dealt with guys, and he was masterful in getting everybody

640
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: to buy into the good of the team. That's amazing, amazing.

641
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: Um when you're at the Hawks, it was ln Krueger.

642
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: It didn't work. Did not work because he was a

643
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: college guy. Because he was I've known Lon played for

644
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: my dad. My dad was the freshman coach and assistant

645
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: varsity coach at Kansas State. I nearly went to play

646
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: for lawn at at Florida. UM. I remember he also

647
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: he brought in some of his Florida guys, and I

648
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: feel like that that was a mistake. Why didn't work

649
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: with Lon Crue, Who's literally one everywhere he's been, like,

650
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: he has an amazing lone. Crue has an amazing track record.

651
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: You go back to like many one there he won there,

652
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: he went there, he went there with exception of the NBA.

653
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Why didn't, Well, first of all, he is literally the

654
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: nicest man that I've ever met, UH, and the best

655
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: person to work for. UM. There wasn't a day that

656
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: went by Doug that that coach Krueger did not allow

657
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: me to go pick my son's up at the bus

658
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: stop UM when they were very very young. UH. An

659
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: incredible people person, an incredible basketball coach. But we had

660
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: no talent. I mean we we drafted guys like Damar

661
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Johnson in a lottery, UH, Dion Glover in the first round,

662
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: cal Bowdler out of Old Dominion in the first round,

663
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: and so we you know, and all those Jimmy and

664
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: it was Jimmy's and Joe's right. I mean, we had

665
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: no players. And I felt so bad four Coach Krueger

666
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: because it was not only a young team, but it

667
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: was a team that lacked talent in reality. You know,

668
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: we had Jimmy Jackson, who was who was really good player, obviously,

669
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and and we had Jason Terry, who was a rookie

670
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: and who was trying to convert from an off guard

671
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: to a point guard. Obviously, management, you know, they always

672
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: like you to play the young guys, and so Coach

673
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: Krueger was just put you know, in what I thought

674
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: it was an impossible situation for anybody. You could add

675
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: Chuck Daily, Phil Jackson, h Read arbak All on the

676
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: staff and that that roster was not gonna win and

677
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: so and and you know what, unfortunately for for for

678
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: several college coaches that are great X and those coaches,

679
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: they've been put in those positions. And it also happens

680
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: with young coaches. Their NBA assistance is sometimes you get

681
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: saddled with the roster that you know that that that

682
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: nobody can win with. And and the NBA you gotta

683
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: have players to win. You obviously needed college too, but

684
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: if you don't have players that can manufacture shots in

685
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: the NBA, you've got zero chance to win it at

686
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: a consistent level. When you took over with the Golden

687
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: Day Warriors, UM, your problem with you guys were just

688
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: too young, right, I mean that was like Gilbert was

689
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Gilbert's like half crazy but super super talented. But he

690
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: was I'm gonna say, like twenty one at the time.

691
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: Jason Richardson twenty one at the time. You know, Troy Murphy,

692
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: who I think would have been better now than he

693
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: was then. Right, Anton Jamison was just coming into his prime.

694
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Like there were some other flaws within the roster, But

695
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: was was youth a big, a big part of the issue.

696
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean it was, but we you know the interesting thing,

697
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: Doug is is we you know, we had a seventeen

698
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: game improvement from the year before. Um In in year one,

699
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: we were second in the NBA and scoring because I

700
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: felt like we had to have an identity. Uh, we

701
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: knew we had to try to somehow, you know, get

702
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: free agents if if ownership was willing to pay guys

703
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: and have a style that people wanted to play in

704
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: to add to our incredibly young, youthful team. That was

705
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: was talented and fun. They were a rate group of

706
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: guys to be around. UM. You mentioned Arenas and Troy

707
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Murphy at the four and Jay Rich at the two

708
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: and Jamison at the three. But what happened was after

709
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: the first year we had a slight change in management.

710
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: Some some new guys were coming into the front office,

711
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: and Gilbert Arenas walks and goes as a free agent

712
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: to Washington. And then Antoine Jamison, who was the guy

713
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: that I was close with and had high character. He

714
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: and Eric Dampierre both get traded and they get traded

715
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: for Avery Johnson, who's in the last year of the contact.

716
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: Nick Van Extol, who was dealing with a ton of injuries,

717
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: was at the end of his career, and Popeye Don't

718
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: who was in the end of his career. And then

719
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: the guy that I had relied on UM as a

720
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: locker room peace connection to the coaching staff was was

721
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: Earl Boykin's and Earl was from Cleveland, Ohio, where I

722
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: had spent some time. And then Earl Boykin's was let

723
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: go via free agency and Speedy Claxton was brought in,

724
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: and so the fabric of connected coach and players it

725
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: was gone. It was missing. And so our second year

726
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: we we we went from thirty eight wins the thirty

727
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: seven wins UM still respectable for where the Warriors were

728
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: at that time. UM. And then there was a new

729
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: general manager, Chris Mullen came in as a gym and

730
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: Gary st Geane, who had hired me, was let go.

731
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: And and in the NBA, obviously when there's a new

732
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: general manager, things were going to happen. UM. I remember

733
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: I was, I was reading up and I know you

734
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: had Hank Hank Egan as your assistant one year. You

735
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: had Fizz as a young assistant as well. But you

736
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: also Jim Boylan was your assistant. Wasn't he with the

737
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: Warriors one year? Yes? He was Jim Boylan was was

738
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: was with us and and handled a lot of our

739
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: defensive stuf up and and then uh, you know, it's

740
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: it's just so interesting. So many of the guys that

741
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, Keith Smart was on that staff and and

742
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: and you guys go on, I mean, Keith Smart was

743
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: the head coach. He was on that staff, boiling staff.

744
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: But but I asked you, I've asked you about boiling

745
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: because he just gets the bulls job and they get

746
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: embarrassed and he wants them. You know, he's he wants

747
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: in to practice for two hours, which is kind of

748
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: how we all grew up. But but the NBA, is

749
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: you point out with Chuck Daly, is is different. Like

750
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful, you know, you've gotta be careful

751
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: in terms of how much how much conflict, um, how

752
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: much conflict you cause, especially when you just just get

753
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: the job. Um. It's just it's really interesting to watch

754
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: what's kind of going on different teams, different NBA cultures

755
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: when you're trying to build toughness and winning mentality and

756
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: hard working mentality. You know, since spending time with you

757
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: and being a head coach in college, he's also spent

758
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: time with Gregg Popovich. Like his ability, I'll see if

759
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: his ability to stick through this thing with Chicago. Yeah,

760
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting because you know, you you you

761
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: bring up the word conflict or you know, that's where

762
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: guys like Chuck Daily separate themselves, is their ability, uh

763
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: to kind of tow that line of getting your team

764
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: to play hard. Um. But in the middle of an

765
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: NBA season, it is really difficult to have a two

766
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: two and a half hour practice. Guys are are tired

767
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: and they're not used to that. And um, you know,

768
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: I think that you know, a guy like coach Thibodeau

769
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: gets away with it, has success with it, whatever word

770
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: you want to use, because that's who he is and

771
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: he's got a team. From the very beginning was the

772
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: stands in training camp that this is how we're going

773
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: to operate. When you do that in the NBA Mid Susan,

774
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: it becomes very, very difficult. I went to with coach

775
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: Mike for Tello early November after the NBA season. We

776
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: started with Hubie Brown with the higher foot, the grizzly

777
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: that I can tell you what, there's a LA World

778
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: line line with with And it was just Mike for

779
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Tello and I were the only two new ones. Everybody

780
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: else stayed on the coaching staff and uh coach for

781
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: Telling and I met a lot alone because we were,

782
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, the two new ones on that staff. And

783
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: and and he talked a lot Doug about how he

784
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: wanted to slowly progress into his philosophy. And he was

785
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: friends with Hugh by Brown and had great respect for him,

786
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: and so he did not want to change a lot

787
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: really quickly, even though there were some things that eventually

788
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: he wanted to get to that were different philosophically, and

789
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: and and so it is. It's a very vary a

790
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: balancing act that you've got to have as a coach,

791
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: especially when you come in mid year. You got the

792
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: job with the Sacramento Kings that only lasted a year.

793
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: When it was when it was over, was there ever

794
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: this thought, I'm not going to get back like I'm not.

795
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what's you know? It's like you can lose

796
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: one job in the NBA, because, as you said, a

797
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: lot of times, you take your first job you don't

798
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: have talent, and then you take the war back. When

799
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: you took the King's job, that thing was a mess.

800
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: Everybody knew it was a mess. It went through five

801
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: years of being a mess until now they're fairly stable.

802
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: But when you when you lost the King's job, did

803
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: you think this might not happen for me? Again? I did?

804
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: No question. Does I think that, uh, you know, the

805
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Warriors situation for me because up until a couple of

806
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: months ago, I still had a home in the Bay Area. Um,

807
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: last night I went and and and watched my son

808
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: who's got his senior year in high school over there.

809
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, when I go work out in the Bay Area,

810
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: I still wear my Warriors stuff. Warriors fans are incredible.

811
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: I love going into their arena and watching them play.

812
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: And and Sacramento just a completely different situation. You know.

813
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: I felt like I failed because it was only one year.

814
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Um we didn't you know, they had had great success

815
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: of under coach Adelman. And obviously Rick is a Hall

816
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: of Fame type coach. And and and I learned, you know,

817
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: when you replace a great coach, it's a lot harder

818
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: then when you replace a program or an organization, it's

819
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: really really down. Like the Warriors were, We're so far down.

820
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: It was just about, hey, how do we get them

821
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: to play hard? How do we get respect to the referees?

822
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: How do we get the Warrior brands uh to be respectable?

823
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: And when you go into a situation like the King's like,

824
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: they had very laid back practices before I got there,

825
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: and they had success doing it. They had success with

826
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: certain superstars not even showing up for shoot around. So

827
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: when I was hired, the maloof were was intrigued by, um,

828
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: what we could do as a staff based on discipline.

829
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: But then once we got in there and we expected

830
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: everybody to come to practice and show up on time.

831
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: The maloof actually kind of wanted to the players to

832
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: to enjoy a situation and if a guy showed up late,

833
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: it was cool, it was all right. And so uh,

834
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: that was a hard Everybody says they want this, Everybody

835
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: says they want discipline until they actually have to go

836
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: through discipline, right, you know, And and this is really

837
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: what Boilan is going through is is um Paxton has

838
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: told him like, hey, I got your back. You know,

839
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: this is what we need. We need to get back

840
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: to a hard practice and being tougher and all right, fine,

841
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, now the players pushed back.

842
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: You're like, wait a second, whose side do you have

843
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: in this one? And you know, back when the Maloos

844
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: were in charge, you know here they are spend half

845
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: their time in Vegas and hanging out with the players

846
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and that makes it kind of a toxic

847
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: job job to keep no, no, it was. It was

848
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: really difficult. And that's why there were so many coaches

849
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: during the short time frame after Coach Rick that that

850
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: we're not success. From Reggie Theis to myself, to Keith Smart,

851
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: just so many guys that really struggled there. But but

852
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: getting back to your question, Doug, you know, at that point,

853
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: I knew that I still had three years coming from

854
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: from a pay standpoint. UM. I had just gone through

855
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: a recent divorce, and my thing was, you know what,

856
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: how do I just become a dad? How do I

857
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: connect with my two sons. There was miss time when

858
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: I was in Memphis UM as an assistant coach with

859
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: the Grizzlies, and and my sole focus was, I want

860
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: I want to hang out with my kids. I don't

861
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: want to miss any games. I don't want to miss

862
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: a little league game. I want to be an assistant

863
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: coach on my son little league team. Uh. And I

864
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: went and did all that, UM. And then after two years,

865
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: going into my third year, I was in carpool Lane

866
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: dropping my oldest son off at junior High and I

867
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: looked around and it was a lot of moms that

868
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: weren't working in a pretty affluent area of Danville, California.

869
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: And I was the only dad because I knew that

870
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: there were so many people at work at that time.

871
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what I mean, I've I've

872
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: I've I've reconnected with my sons, my sons want me

873
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: to work. Um. And then it was actually my current wife, Danielle,

874
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: who I met in that three year time frame, and

875
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: and she said, hey, you love coaching. Uh. And she

876
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: actually kind of sacrificed her own career for me to

877
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: go back and coach in the D League with the

878
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: Reno Big Horns. And I can promise you, Doug that

879
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: my pay with the Reno Big Horns was not even

880
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: half of what she was making at the time. And

881
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: she sacrificed and and would get on a plane uh

882
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: and and and go do her work in l A

883
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: while we were in Reno. And and but yeah, there's

884
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: I knew two times being an NBA head coach. I

885
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: did a lot of research on how many coaches get

886
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: a third opportunity at that level to be a head coach,

887
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: and it's very few. Terry Stops as one of the

888
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: few guys that got a third opportunity without a ton

889
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: of wins and losses in his first two stops. And

890
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: so I knew, you know, And that's when I decided

891
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: after two years in the D League, we had two

892
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: great years in the Day League, and I did not

893
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: get the coaching call up as a head coach. I

894
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: did have some assistant coaching opportunities, but wanted to be

895
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: a head coach. And then that's how this door got

896
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: open to the collegiate game. And uh, look, you worked

897
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: for a good man, but one had that up until

898
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: they reap your contract. You know, Nevada didn't have have

899
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: a ton of money, um, has it? I mean, obviously,

900
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: you guys are as good in comparison to the rest

901
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: of the country as anyone could have possibly hoped. But

902
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: if this how you thought it would be, did you

903
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: think he would have to be a bunch of transfers

904
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: and and and you know, kind of mismatched parts. I mean,

905
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: you guys don't actually shoot the three that well. Like,

906
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: is this if I was to ask you honestly, two

907
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Doug Knuth announces you as head coach, and

908
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: fast forward to today and your top ten team. Is

909
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: this the path you thought he would take Nevada to

910
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: be back? You know, I think that the first way

911
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: to answer that, Doug is so my I think the

912
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: highest my dad's team was ever ranked was was likewelve

913
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: um And again that's my idol. So and I'm at

914
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: as an assistant at Arizona State, and I'm an assistant

915
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: at l s U with great facilities and great boosters

916
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: and name brand, and so in those three short years

917
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: as an assistant coach, I'm thinking it's really hard to

918
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: get in the top. Like when we got in the

919
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: top twenty five at those two places, like it was

920
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: a celebration, um. And then you know, when you're at

921
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: those schools, you figure out how hard it is just

922
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: to get into the n C Double a tournament, let

923
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: alone win a game. And and so to say that, yeah,

924
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: when Doug K. Newton President Johnson made the decision to

925
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: to hire and to give us an opportunity, it was

926
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: my first time as a head coach in college. I

927
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: hadn't proven myself as a recruiter. Um. You know, basically

928
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: in my previous stops at l s U and Arizona State,

929
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: recruiting was was you know, if I had helped in

930
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: that area, great, But that's not why I was on

931
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: those staffs. It was it was from an excello standpoint,

932
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: player development on floor stuff more so than anything recruiting wise.

933
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: And but we did have a plan. I was really

934
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: lucky that that that that I got to be an

935
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: assistant coach before a head coach, I would have failed miserably, Doug.

936
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: If if I would have had an opportunity UM without

937
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: the assistant coaching role, I probably would have lasted one

938
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: or two years. But I got to see things I liked,

939
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: things that I might tweak UM and so it was

940
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: great and I and I felt like, how do we

941
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: get a little we can be in year four knowing

942
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: while somewhat of an spoken four year cycle, and how

943
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: could we be as good as we possibly could as

944
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: quickly but yet with sustainability. Uh? And so we were

945
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: really really fortunate to get two pack twelve commits and

946
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: Lindsay Drew and Cameron Oliver in year one, and people

947
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: forget did those two guys, those two incoming freshmen were

948
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: really the springboard to all this because the Jordan's Carolines

949
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: and the Marcus Marshalls, those guys all sat out the

950
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: first year and and and and obviously in year two.

951
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: To have a guy like Caroline come and play and

952
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: changes things. But but we wanted to get incoming freshman

953
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: and we wanted to get transfers, and we were able

954
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: to do that year one with Drew and Oliver. And

955
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: then we were able to do that year two with

956
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: the vil Ramsey was since transferred as well as Josh

957
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: Hall who has since transferred along with the transfers, and

958
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: and then obviously getting George Brown as a five star

959
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of changed us from a perception standpoint. Um, you

960
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: know the landscape of highly recruited players and what about

961
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: it to potessially do you know? It's interesting you bring

962
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: up the transfers. Cam Oliver was with my brother in

963
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: Oregon State four. I think it was three days before

964
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: he I think that's what it was. It was like

965
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: it was like three he was literally there three days

966
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: and then he's like, no, this is not for me,

967
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: and then he ends up playing for you and being

968
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: everything you possibly could have hoped for. But you mentioned

969
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: guys leaving, like, look, you've been through this. This is

970
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: the longest you stayed anywhere since I'm gonna say Rapid City, right, Um,

971
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: And and so, how how do you handle that? How

972
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: do you handle all of the moving parts which allow

973
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: of the old school, longtime college guys. I think it

974
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: hurts fans because fans you're like, wait, who's playing where now?

975
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: That's very hard. A lot of the old school coaches

976
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: like this is crazy. All the movement. It seems like

977
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: you function a little bit better in chaos. You've had

978
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: a new staff. I think every year you've you've been

979
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: how do you function in that chaos when so many

980
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: others struggle. I think the biggest thing Doug and you

981
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: can attest to is when you're in the violent league,

982
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: it's chaos every day. It's all right, your best player

983
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: gets called up, Uh, you got to readjust your offense,

984
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: your defense, by the way. Two days later another player

985
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: gets called up, and then a week and a half later,

986
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: your third best player goes to Europe. And so I

987
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: think I do operate really well in the in the chaos,

988
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: just because that's uh the life that I had for

989
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: so long. Um. But so when I grew up, when

990
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: you grew up there, there weren't a ton although I

991
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: know you did. There weren't a ton of transfers. Like

992
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: when I played at USD in four years we had

993
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: one player transfer. But obviously with over eight players now

994
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: it's a different landscape. And it's so interesting because last

995
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: year Johnny Jones was on our staff and that's who

996
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: I worked with at l s U, and coach Jones

997
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: had so many highly recruited players that he was able

998
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: to land right out of high school. And you know,

999
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: he would laugh at me and say, coach, you keep

1000
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, all these transfer recruits. We gotta

1001
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: get high school guys. And then coach Jones gets the

1002
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: head coaching job um at Texas Southern, and I look

1003
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: at his rosters now roster, they're all transfers. Um. But

1004
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: so I think it's just a nature, uh where our

1005
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: sport is. And it's not just basketball. I mean you

1006
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: look at all the football college grad transfer quarterbacks, some

1007
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: guys that had no opportunity at other places and then

1008
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: they go to it could be another power five school

1009
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: and they end up turning their career around and opening up,

1010
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: you know, new doors to play in the NFL. And

1011
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: the same thing is happening at this college level as well. Um,

1012
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: why wasn't Fennis Dembo as good as advertise you coached him?

1013
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: Fennis Dembo was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and

1014
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: probably people our age Doug remember that he was. Finnis

1015
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Dembo was a character on that Rapid City team. I

1016
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: had both Finnis Dembo and Derrick Chibius, and Derek was

1017
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: known as the band aid man. He would put a

1018
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: band aid somewhere on his body prior to every game,

1019
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: and he would spend twenty minutes in front of the

1020
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: mirror strategically deciding where he wanted to put it. If

1021
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: he didn't play well in the first half, the band

1022
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: aid would change to another spine. But both Fennis Debouh

1023
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: and Derek were two of the all time great characters.

1024
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: Uh Fennis Debo did not stick in the NBA. UM,

1025
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: I would say because he was six ft four, lack

1026
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: lateral speed, was very strong player physically, but just from

1027
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint, latterly did not have what the NBA

1028
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: level looks for. What was minute Bowl like? To coach

1029
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: ah Manu, Bowl was was awesome. He the only problem

1030
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: was when he played for coach Don Nelson. Coach Nelson

1031
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: loved him to shoot the three ball. When he shot

1032
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: the three ball for me with the Florida Beach Dogs

1033
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: and West Paul Beach, I would cringe. Um. But he

1034
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: he was a fun loving guy. Obviously prior to me

1035
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: getting him, he had all this NBA experience and he

1036
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: had NBA bunny and I would say the New Bowl

1037
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: was the most generous person financially with his teammates than

1038
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: anybody I've ever seen. You had people forget You had

1039
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: Jeremy Lynn the year before Linsanity. Now, I called his

1040
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: college game and I liked him, and he almost beat

1041
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: I think he almost beat Yukon kind of kind of

1042
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: by himself. But if you'd have told me that he

1043
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: would have Lyn sanity. And granted it's since the knee

1044
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: injuries come back down to earth. He's more of a

1045
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: bench player. You know, guy comes off the bench. But

1046
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: did you know that Jeremy Lynn had in him what

1047
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: we've seen in him in moments in the NBA. It's

1048
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: really interesting because you know when when the Warriors sent

1049
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: him down, Um, you know, I was unfamiliar with his

1050
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: game because he had not gotten much NBA burn and

1051
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: I had not watched him in college. But Jeremy Lynn

1052
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: when he was completely healthy, when we had it, his

1053
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: dose for Looke balls, his ability to rebound the ball

1054
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: and twist it on the brake, and his ability to dribble,

1055
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 1: drive with his right hand and get to the cup

1056
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: or gets fouled far surpassed anybody in the D League. Now,

1057
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't a great shooter. He wasn't a good ball

1058
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: handler going to his left hand, but he did a

1059
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 1: few things that were really special. And as you know, Doug,

1060
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: like the key to the NBA is could you do

1061
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: one of things, one or two things that are great

1062
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: and if you can, people find a niche for you,

1063
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: and and and and and some of it's also timing

1064
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: and who you play for. There's a couple of things

1065
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: for you do you only do those things you do well,

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys, like my thing was, I

1067
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: couldn't shoot, and I got to this point where I'm all, r,

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00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna prove to people I could choose like no, no,

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00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: we know you can't you if you can really just

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00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: pass just right. So so you struggle with that. On

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00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 1: the other hand, remember when he had linsanity. He played

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: for the perfect coach in D'Antoni, and they didn't have

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00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: Mellow for that that time period, so there was nobody

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00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: calling for the ball in the lane. He had Tyson

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00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: Shanner like greatest teammate ever who just screen role right.

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00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: They didn't have Mari stodom Are either, so there's nobody

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00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: who else needs the ball, and he could play through

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: turnovers and he was also a high turnover guy. Even

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00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: though he would make a lot of plays, you wouldn't

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00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: make a lot of negative plays, and d'antonia let him

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: play through it. So it's a lot about knowing yourself,

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: but also having a coach that sees what you have

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00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: and kind of puts you in the right system for

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00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: what you have. Fair I don't think there's any doubt

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00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: that's that's more than the uh you know. I look

1086
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: back at a guy like didn't He Low who couldn't

1087
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: suit um, but he played for my dad. My dad

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00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: wanted Sydney just to run the offense, didn't want his

1089
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: point guard take a shot, and so that was a

1090
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: perfect marriage for Sydney Low to play in the NBA.

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00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: And he probably doesn't really make the NBA, you know,

1092
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: if that's not the case. And I look at a

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00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: guy like Scotty Brooks at his size and you know,

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00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: Doug growing up in in in southern California. I mean,

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: people never thought Scotty Brooks was going to play in

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00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: the NBA when he was at Irvine and he left

1097
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: TCU because he got home sick and went and go

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00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: back to Southern California. He was modesto guy. He was

1099
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: a modesto exactly, but playing at Irvine. Um, you know, people,

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00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: I thought he was a really good college player, but

1101
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: because of the incredible grid, its fit perfectly with my dad,

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00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: and he played great with an expansion team and then

1103
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: Philly picks him up in the expansion draft and he

1104
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: has an NBA career. So it's it's I think you're right,

1105
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: really fit player in the system and player with certain coach.

1106
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: Coaches really work out for the player. Last thing, um,

1107
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 1: and I think you know you're how you use Jordan

1108
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: Caroline playing often as your center, perfect example that how

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01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: you use the Martin Twins, and the fact that at

1110
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: your level, you know they might not have gotten they

1111
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: didn't get those opportunities in there at NC State to

1112
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: handle the ball as much as they have and to

1113
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: have a coach who puts the system around them. Last thing,

1114
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: I know you gotta go, Um, have you realized where

1115
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: the final four is this year? I have because I

1116
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: still have family. Okay, so so so here. So so

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01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: here's the question. I mean, like, look, to take Nevada

1118
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: to the final four would be incredible, to be incredible

1119
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: to take Nevada to the final four in the twin

1120
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: cities in that dome where your dad was a college coach,

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01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: your dad was a pro coach. What I mean, there

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01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: would have to be a little bit of special meaning

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01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: to doing it, there wouldn't it, I would think so.

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: But as you know better than anybody, the key is

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: how do we win our next game? How do we

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: win the game after that? And and and the one

1127
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: thing that's you know that I think is is really important, uh,

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01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: for for us and for our team is how do

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01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: you win the next game? And then how do you

1130
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: keep in perspective that we still got to figure out

1131
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: a way to get into that tournament because in the

1132
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: Mountain West, we don't know, there might only be one

1133
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: team in that, you know, in our conference, and we

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01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: have to put ourselves in a position where number one

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01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: we make the tournament. And then if that is the case,

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01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: then how do you put yourself obviously in the best

1137
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: position to get as high as seed. It all becomes

1138
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: matchups and once you get there, there's so much luck involved.

1139
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: And we and we saw that last year. I mean,

1140
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: we had matchups that worked for us to just as

1141
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: Mo Bamba and at seven ft two or whatever, we

1142
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: have a center at six ft five and so it

1143
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: was a good matchup for for us, and we just

1144
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,919
Speaker 1: gotta worried about how can we win this conference because

1145
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really hard when we go on the road,

1146
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: for sure, with the travel and not many charter flights.

1147
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: We got our work cut out for us the rest

1148
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: of these next games. No, I know, I know, and

1149
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: I know that that you focus on every game, and

1150
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: of course you've got break coming up, and so you

1151
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: gotta worry about how often do we go two days whatever.

1152
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: I just the second I knew we were going to talk,

1153
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking about Minneapolis and thinking about your pops

1154
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: and thinking about what it would mean for him to

1155
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: see you on that floor with your team, and what

1156
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: an amazing kind of journey it's been. So I appreciate

1157
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: you in capsulating as much of it as as are

1158
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: as time permitted, and Uh, thanks so much for your time,

1159
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: and I wish you nothing but health and success this

1160
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: year with you and your family. Thanks for joining us

1161
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: on the pod. No, thank you so much, Doug. And

1162
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you before we get off, like your

1163
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: dad had such an impact on all coaches and especially

1164
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: UH coaches my age and older, what your family has

1165
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: done in basketball is really really cool. It's had such

1166
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: an impact on so many people you and your brother

1167
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: probably don't even know. And I had to get that

1168
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: in before we get off. I'd love to do it

1169
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: again with you sometimes. Yeah, well we'll do it again.

1170
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: I still there's a bunch of other stuff I wanted

1171
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: to get to him. By the way, Uh, my brother

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01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: told me to not tell anybody, but he did. You know,

1173
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: he interviewed obviously for the job when you got it,

1174
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: and he said you were the or you told him me.

1175
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: He was the first call he made your Your first

1176
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: call you made was to offer him to come be

1177
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: on your staff. And I just told me, no, that

1178
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: was the problem, but I did try. Now he's he's

1179
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: a good one. But obviously they made an incredible higher

1180
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: and you've done as good a job as anyone could

1181
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 1: have thought you've done. He's obviously, you know, overachieved based

1182
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: upon anybody's reasonable expectations, nothing but success. Do you say,

1183
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: how did danielle for me? And we'll talk So it

1184
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: sounds great? Thanks again, Doug. And look, I could go

1185
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: through a run through of Kevin Durant and his interviews.

1186
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: I can talk about Lebron James and how the Lakers

1187
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: are changing and evolving, and maybe brandon Ingram becomes an

1188
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: even more viable trade pieces they've played as well or

1189
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: better without him, Or how interesting it is that the

1190
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: media is buying into the Clippers going after gonna get

1191
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard or or or Kevin Durant. But I don't

1192
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: know that discussion that that talk with with Eric Musselman

1193
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: was so good, we'll just leave it at that. You

1194
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: check back in next week. Make sure you download, subscribe,

1195
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: and ratear podcast. Check out the Daily Dug Gottlieb Show

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,240
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01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: Gottlip Show. You can follow me on Twitter. Listen on

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. This has been all ball

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Speaker 1: two two Step in the bat