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Speaker 9: Patrick, We missed you yesterday. Man, that other guy.
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Speaker 10: Guys, had a little bit of a family emergency. My
Speaker 10: my fourteen year old son, he broke his leg. Oh yeah,
Speaker 10: uh just boy being a boy, boy being a boy.
Speaker 10: We've all been there.
Speaker 1: No growth plates, right, no, right.
Speaker 10: He went to the ortho on yesterday and turns out
Speaker 10: he does not need to have surgery. They simply cast them,
Speaker 10: make sure. Yeah, they made sure the bone was reset correctly,
Speaker 10: cast him up and follow up in four weeks.
Speaker 9: It will assbody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how tough that is, as like a
Speaker 3: twelve year old kid to be like, yeah, I broke
Speaker 3: my leg. Okay, fourteen year old kid, uh to say like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I broke my leg. Yeah, like sorry, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 3: guys just got to deal with your like wimpy little
Speaker 3: things over there. It was, and I'm just gonna come
Speaker 3: back stronger than that. It's awful to do it in
Speaker 3: the winter break.
Speaker 10: Too, school, but reappear with the cast. Yeah, but see
Speaker 10: now they have it. I didn't know this was a thing.
Speaker 3: They it's not gonna miss summer, Like he's not gonna
Speaker 3: be like, you know, like he's not gonna be able
Speaker 3: to run around outside and that kind of thing.
Speaker 10: They make it difficult to kind of sun the cast nowadays, though,
Speaker 10: because back in the day they gave us the tan,
Speaker 10: the beige, the white cast.
Speaker 1: Their casts are black.
Speaker 6: Now silver gold sharpies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then that's given raiders and we don't that's true.
Speaker 1: We're not doing that.
Speaker 10: So yeah black to Xavier, Dad is extremely proud of you.
Speaker 10: I know exactly how much pain you were in when
Speaker 10: that happened. Dad has broken bones before. I know that
Speaker 10: was level fifteen pain level ten scale. But he handled
Speaker 10: it like an absolute champ. And I mean he's also
Speaker 10: he's in karate and jiu jitsu and has been for years,
Speaker 10: so he then you're his dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure that doesn't hurt. But seriously, I mean
Speaker 1: he knows how intended.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, facts, he knows how to manage his pain,
Speaker 10: and he knows the mental part of it. So shouts
Speaker 10: out to Xavier, love your big boy, and hell love Dad.
Speaker 1: To talk to you later. Very cool, that man. Well
Speaker 1: glad to have you back.
Speaker 3: Tommy did a great job yesterday. I do you want
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on the Cowboys and Commanders before
Speaker 3: we get into news and now, g RG what's.
Speaker 1: That get right game? Okay, defense was a get right game.
Speaker 10: Cowboys didn't play Jaydon Daniels, they didn't play Marcus Marioda.
Speaker 10: They played Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson put up the most
Speaker 10: points that he has in years. Okay, running backs out
Speaker 10: there looking like Adrian Peterson, you know, and I'm not
Speaker 10: just talking about Debo. I will say, yeah, Krosskey married
Speaker 10: looks like Adrian Peterson. I even tweet that day, I
Speaker 10: was like, is that Crosskey, Marritle? Is that ap or
Speaker 10: ad if?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: All day?
Speaker 10: I can respect Deebo Samuel getting his look back after
Speaker 10: Javonte Williams put one of their defenders through the planet.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 10: Love me some good football, some payback football. But the
Speaker 10: defense for the most part, it just looks like it
Speaker 10: can't figure itself out. And then after the fact you
Speaker 10: ask questions about, well, why was Logan Wilson receiving zero
Speaker 10: defensive snaps? And then the answer was there was quote
Speaker 10: unquote confusion on the on the side of the coaching staff,
Speaker 10: the defensive side of the coaching staff as far as rotational.
Speaker 1: So it's week seventeen and there's.
Speaker 10: Still miscommunication, not simply between players on the field, maybe
Speaker 10: because he's in the booth, but was it much better
Speaker 10: communication wise when he was on the sideline. So I
Speaker 10: mean that's another takeaway from me. You you know, now
Speaker 10: you have better now you have the revelation that they're
Speaker 10: continuing to have coaching issues on the defensive side of
Speaker 10: the ball, and that you know, translates onto the field.
Speaker 10: So there were a couple of bright spots to Devion
Speaker 10: Clowney being the biggest bright spot for me. You know,
Speaker 10: I can't stand on that table enough as far as
Speaker 10: resigning that guy, re sign him, re signed him, Jaevion Clowney.
Speaker 10: He wants to be here. He also said he wants
Speaker 10: to participate in some training camp, not for It's seldom
Speaker 10: that you hear a mercenary, twelve year mercenary say that
Speaker 10: he wants to be in somebody's training camp. He wants
Speaker 10: to be in someone's full offseason pro so that so
Speaker 10: that he won't have as much rust as he did starting.
Speaker 1: He wants to hit the ground right.
Speaker 10: Full seventeen plus, seventeen plus at the highest level, not
Speaker 10: not okay for the first seven and then elite for
Speaker 10: the remaining ten.
Speaker 1: I like those words.
Speaker 3: I did look up something yesterday after the show that
Speaker 3: has me slightly concerned with, Oh, come on, way to
Speaker 3: be a Debbie Downer.
Speaker 8: Well, it's because we're supposed to speak the truth here
Speaker 8: are you talking about the Cowboys having ever the worst
Speaker 8: that the most points given up in Cowboys history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty bad.
Speaker 6: That's not the one you were talking about.
Speaker 1: No, Oh, that's not what it was.
Speaker 3: It's the fact that Jdavian Clowney every year, every other
Speaker 3: year in his career has been productive.
Speaker 1: And then he disappears. Then he's productive and then he disappears.
Speaker 6: Light switch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's very back and forth, and it's very
Speaker 3: contingent on what the contract situation.
Speaker 9: Is, Kyle. But he didn't have a full season, so
Speaker 9: he would be right in the first yea, So.
Speaker 3: Maybe it is maybe we're okay, maybe we're we're all right,
Speaker 3: But I mean, you look, you look back at it.
Speaker 1: So let's go after the Pro Bowl years.
Speaker 3: So he had three straight Pro Bowl years where he
Speaker 3: was fantastic from twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. After that,
Speaker 3: he goes three sacks, which is okay but not great.
Speaker 3: Then he goes zero. New team signs him Cleveland, puts
Speaker 3: up nine sacks. Second year with Cleveland, goes back down
Speaker 3: the three. Then he goes to Baltimore. New team, what's
Speaker 3: up nine and a half sacks on a one year deal.
Speaker 3: One of his best seasons he's had in recent memory.
Speaker 3: Then he turns around, he goes to Carolina. Five and
Speaker 3: a half sacks not the same, but he signed a
Speaker 3: new deal with Carolina where he had more cash. Then he's,
Speaker 3: of course a free agent, comes in late with Cowboys.
Speaker 3: He's put up five and a half again, been more
Speaker 3: productive and less games and less appearances. Does that mean
Speaker 3: that he's ready for that contract and ready to take
Speaker 3: the step forward and continue that production in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six or are we due to see a bit of
Speaker 3: a drop off.
Speaker 9: Five and a half is double digits around these parts.
Speaker 6: Buddy, take the.
Speaker 1: Sacks right, the hitters absolutely.
Speaker 10: I don't think beggars can be choosers when you have
Speaker 10: a situation where you got Javion Clowney, who is given
Speaker 10: the effort that he's giving in games that have no
Speaker 10: playoff implications and for a defensive endroom that we have
Speaker 10: continuously said is in dire st We do hope and
Speaker 10: expect that as Raku will take the next step. We
Speaker 10: hope that the Cowboys will address the position with one
Speaker 10: of their top one of their top picks, be it
Speaker 10: first round or third or whatever, one of their top
Speaker 10: picks in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, and then
Speaker 10: you hope they address it in free agency. But I
Speaker 10: feel like one way to address it in free agency
Speaker 10: is to go with what you know, and what you know.
Speaker 10: Having test driven Jenevion Clowney for the entirety of a season,
Speaker 10: now you know what.
Speaker 6: He can be in the locker U all the entirety
Speaker 6: of the season, but not even you.
Speaker 1: Also, he can be in the law. You also kind
Speaker 1: of did that, not to cut you off. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: you kind of did that with Dante Fowler Junior, and
Speaker 1: you thought you knew. You thought you you thought you knew,
Speaker 1: and you didn't. You did, and he didn't. He hasn't
Speaker 1: done it. That's fair.
Speaker 3: So so the same thought process could be applied to
Speaker 3: Jadevian Clowney. It might not happen the same way.
Speaker 1: It might not.
Speaker 10: Difference being though is again it's it's to your point,
Speaker 10: because you make an excellent point as far as the
Speaker 10: up down, up down of Ji.
Speaker 1: I just want to point it out. I love Jaavian
Speaker 1: and I've been very impressed with him.
Speaker 10: But the between Fowler and Clowney was wildly different. Okay,
Speaker 10: Fowler is the one coming off of a career season
Speaker 10: with the Washington Commanders, Fowler was the one reuniting with
Speaker 10: this staff and new staff, but reuniting with the organization,
Speaker 10: so they were supposed to be familiarity. That kind of
Speaker 10: helped him kind of hit the ground running to make
Speaker 10: none of those things game.
Speaker 1: The fruition for him.
Speaker 10: But then here comes Genevion Clowney from a completely different,
Speaker 10: different sphere with the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 1: He's never been with the real expectation, no real.
Speaker 10: Expectations, and he outperforms. So you have an overachiever versus
Speaker 10: an underachiever, and that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of what you have to look at.
Speaker 3: I think when he was signed, though I'm waiting on you,
Speaker 3: when he was signed, I think our whole thought process
Speaker 3: is if he could get to the production he had
Speaker 3: in Carolina, then it was worth five and a half secs.
Speaker 1: And he's got he's literally there right now.
Speaker 3: Who knows what he gets this week to up that number,
Speaker 3: but I think he's been worth what you've had overachieving.
Speaker 3: It's just been marginal, like it's a marginal overachievement, but
Speaker 3: it is a slight over it.
Speaker 9: It's more than you expected.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 10: But it's not a marginal underachievement, not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 10: it's just not under all.
Speaker 1: Right, Isaiah, you had your hand.
Speaker 6: I don't believe that it was an overachievement by Jadavian Clowney.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's it's exactly what you fel.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the expectations that I had of Jadamon Clowney,
Speaker 8: reason being exactly what I said last week or the
Speaker 8: week before, whatever it was, when we were having a
Speaker 8: conversation about the type of defensive end that I would
Speaker 8: like to bring in.
Speaker 6: Big body, big body.
Speaker 8: You want that, dude, because a big body defensive end
Speaker 8: that possesses the ability to pass rush as well as
Speaker 8: the run stop is more valuable than just a pure
Speaker 8: pass rusher. In my eyes, I can't speak for everybody else,
Speaker 8: Dante Fowler Junior is just a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: Start dragging your words out like that.
Speaker 8: In a particular system, Dan Quinn system, that's where Dante
Speaker 8: Fowler Junior has thrived.
Speaker 6: No indictment on him at all. He's just better utilized
Speaker 6: and more.
Speaker 8: Impactful when he's in that specific type of scheme. A
Speaker 8: Jadevian Clowney body type is somebody that has a greater
Speaker 8: chance of having success in any system that you have,
Speaker 8: because no matter what, when you bring in different coaches,
Speaker 8: you don't want to have to turn over your personnel
Speaker 8: as well. Change is imminent in the NFL, So you're
Speaker 8: either gonna be changing personnel or you're gonna be changing
Speaker 8: your coaches. Right, You much rather be able to keep
Speaker 8: your personnel and have them adapt to the coaches should
Speaker 8: you need to change there.
Speaker 6: Jadevian Clowney is.
Speaker 8: A versatile He's a Swiss knife type of guy that
Speaker 8: could play whatever you need and to play you needed
Speaker 8: a pass rush, you can passor you need a run stop,
Speaker 8: he could run stop. You need to hold the fort,
Speaker 8: He'll hold the force, set the edge, whatever it might be.
Speaker 8: Every the d is not made up that way.
Speaker 6: And that's what I would like to say about Jay clown.
Speaker 7: But Okay, you're talking about scheme, fit and all those things.
Speaker 7: Are you saying that the Cowboys not? I'm not trying
Speaker 7: to put words anymore, but do you think the Cowboys
Speaker 7: did enough to change the personnel to fit?
Speaker 6: They tried.
Speaker 9: They certainly tried. That was the point that I wanted
Speaker 9: to make.
Speaker 3: Certainly tried going back to our conversation last last yes yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they tried.
Speaker 8: They added two new interior defensive tackles, dulf of what
Speaker 8: you are a dogs, okay? They they they traded for
Speaker 8: three linebackers. Three linebackers. Okay, they went and ahead and
Speaker 8: drafted big corner.
Speaker 9: Don't forget about kyri Elam.
Speaker 8: They brought it right, they So they brought in kyer
Speaker 8: Elam was not a man and man guy. We knew
Speaker 8: that last year right when it was in Buffalo didn't
Speaker 8: have the greatest of years. But they brought him here
Speaker 8: because they said, you know, he's not a man of
Speaker 8: man guy. He's more of his own guy. So work
Speaker 8: for this system didn't work out, right, Traded for three
Speaker 8: linebackers in most people's eyes, hasn't worked out. Brought into
Speaker 8: two interior defense alignment hit. They hit on that one right,
Speaker 8: And then they brought into Davian Clowns. So when you
Speaker 8: think about the additions to this defense, Clowney Clark, Williams, Wilson,
Speaker 8: H Murray, who else am I miss?
Speaker 6: Sam Born? They brought in elm eight guys.
Speaker 7: They tried, but like you just said, and I think
Speaker 7: you kind of just reiterated his point from earlier. You
Speaker 7: brought in two sure surefire guys Clark, Yeah, Clark and
Speaker 7: Quinn Williams, guys that could probably work in any scheme.
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter the scheme.
Speaker 8: So those are just god and they tried and in
Speaker 8: guys you knows first and foremost.
Speaker 6: No see can allude to this.
Speaker 8: It's not specific because it never went down right, But
Speaker 8: they tried to acquire other people as well. That would
Speaker 8: have had a tremendous impact and would have helped tremendously
Speaker 8: on this defense. It just didn't work out financially right.
Speaker 8: But so also the point we had yesterday, there's only
Speaker 8: so much pie. There's only so much pie, and it's
Speaker 8: gonna get worse because if you choose, if you choose
Speaker 8: to bring back George Pickens and Williams and Jamonti when
Speaker 8: Jamonti was not gonna kill the bank, I think you'd
Speaker 8: be able to find somebody compromise. He's gonna want a
Speaker 8: multi year deal though, he's gonna want a multi year deal,
Speaker 8: but I don't see it being more than you know,
Speaker 8: five or sixty.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a franchise tag possibility like Pickins.
Speaker 8: Will Yeah, he's not gonna affect your salary cap in
Speaker 8: my eyes, right but George Pickens, George Pickens is right.
Speaker 8: If you want to retain George Pickens, he is going
Speaker 8: to impact how much pie can go around.
Speaker 6: There's there's already not enough pie going around.
Speaker 1: So most if it's on the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 8: Absolutely three, you're gonna be paying five people, probably seventy
Speaker 8: percent of your salary your salary cap. Yeah, summer, I
Speaker 8: don't I numbers. I don't have that in front of
Speaker 8: me right now. But dak CD Georgia if he comes back,
Speaker 8: Tyler Smith, Jake.
Speaker 10: Person, I'm not worried about the seller, Kip not worried
Speaker 10: about I'm I'm not worried about that. There's there's the
Speaker 10: pie is finite, but the pie can be you can
Speaker 10: find ways to expect to that pie, but to sign
Speaker 10: impact players and that. So that with that being said,
Speaker 10: you're going to have to let some guys walk, and
Speaker 10: that because right.
Speaker 3: Now they're projected to be thirty million over the cap
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, but in which is the worst
Speaker 3: in the NFL.
Speaker 10: The guys that you have to discuss potentially walking is
Speaker 10: not the George Pickens of the It's not the Javonte
Speaker 10: Williams of the world. For me, it's not the Davion
Speaker 10: Clowney of the world. It's if you're going to move
Speaker 10: on from this defensive coordinator. And it sounds as if
Speaker 10: because you can interpret what Jerry Jones said in one
Speaker 10: O five three the Fantas however you like. He said,
Speaker 10: I'm glad this, thanks, but here's the quote he said,
Speaker 10: as far as discussing the defensive side of the ball
Speaker 10: and the coaching staff and the quarterator quote, we'll get
Speaker 10: to that pronto.
Speaker 1: More than one person had their finger in this.
Speaker 10: We're trying to solve the problem and get better where
Speaker 10: we are, and one guy is not going to do
Speaker 10: that freeze for a second. So at that moment you're thinking,
Speaker 10: oh man, he might hold on. It's not all ebra
Speaker 10: flues at all. That's a team wide breakdown. And then
Speaker 10: he continued on as far as making it sound one
Speaker 10: way or the other, there's no one between. It sounds
Speaker 10: like either Jerry Jones is going to keep his continuity
Speaker 10: with Matt Eberflus or.
Speaker 1: He's going to clean house. He's a defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball.
Speaker 10: I don't feel like there's any one way in between that,
Speaker 10: which brings me back to the point I'm about to make.
Speaker 10: Do Isaia, if you're going to make that change at
Speaker 10: the fensive coordinator and clean house. Jerry also later in
Speaker 10: the conversation with the fans, spoke about his concern about
Speaker 10: progress stoppers.
Speaker 1: That was his phrase, progress stoppers. It wasn't tied to Clowney.
Speaker 10: It wasn't tied to Williams Jiante obviously, it's not even
Speaker 10: tied to George Pickens obviously. But might it be tied
Speaker 10: to a guy like a Jack Samborne or Kenneth Murray. Absolutely,
Speaker 10: you see what I mean, might be tied to those guys.
Speaker 10: So then if you take that thought probably from Jerry
Speaker 10: and he's concerned about certain guys being progressed oppers, not
Speaker 10: the guys we're talking about, new defensive coordinator comes in.
Speaker 10: What's the message to the new defensive coordinator? Has Jerry
Speaker 10: Jones and the Cowboys learned to not look at that
Speaker 10: DC and say we'll get your guys, or will he say,
Speaker 10: develop who's here like your Mayris Lea Files, you're demr
Speaker 10: Fion overshown some of your younger Donovan z Roku Jamar
Speaker 10: Shamar James. It makes for a very interesting conversation to
Speaker 10: be had upstairs.
Speaker 3: And that's where I think dan Quinn had success here
Speaker 3: because I'm I'm of the mentality and when you watch
Speaker 3: the film going back to twenty twenty one, when he
Speaker 3: took over a Mike Nolan defense that was historically bad
Speaker 3: in twenty two, when you started in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: I don't think the talent on this defense is overstepping
Speaker 3: anybody else in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But what dan Quinn did is he developed the talent
Speaker 1: that was in the building because and he developed the guys.
Speaker 3: He fit guys to the system that he had, and
Speaker 3: we've talked about that multiple times, and then that system
Speaker 3: kind of a game.
Speaker 1: His system.
Speaker 3: He said, Okay, it worked here, maybe it'll work in Washington,
Speaker 3: and he got a couple guys to go with him.
Speaker 3: It worked for a year, and then when those guys
Speaker 3: kind of fall out of favor or get hurt, then
Speaker 3: it falls into what happened this year in Washington. I
Speaker 3: think he was a developer. Mike Nolan didn't develop dan Quinn.
Speaker 3: Did Mike Zimmer No, No, he did not. And now
Speaker 3: we're at Matt Eberflus, And.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it before.
Speaker 3: I like Matt Eberflus. I've always liked him as a person.
Speaker 3: I think he's a good coach. I just don't think
Speaker 3: it was the perfect fit here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: I just don't think it worked out the way he
Speaker 3: wanted to. But I also can't say that he's had
Speaker 3: a more talented defense because outside of the interior defensive lineman,
Speaker 3: outside of maybe a healthy drom Land, who else on
Speaker 3: this defense are you confident.
Speaker 1: In right now?
Speaker 9: Really quickly?
Speaker 6: Though?
Speaker 7: I don't want to just because talking a lot about
Speaker 7: dan Quinn and what did work here, but let's not
Speaker 7: forget that there was a lot of bad too. We
Speaker 7: played a season without linebackers, yeah, and a safety as
Speaker 7: a linebacker for an entire couldn't off the run to
Speaker 7: save your life, couldn't stop the run, which is a
Speaker 7: thread that has followed the Cowboys for many years now.
Speaker 9: So I don't want to just say, oh, like the
Speaker 9: defense was unstoppable.
Speaker 6: Is that a problem or a scheme problem?
Speaker 1: I think that was a scheme problem. I think that
Speaker 1: was a person maybe both.
Speaker 8: But you were lacking linebackers. You had to bring a
Speaker 8: safety down. You had no interior divas linement, so you
Speaker 8: had to try to bring pressure.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing is they had to bring relentless
Speaker 3: pressure in the scheme that made it work. And they
Speaker 3: had to bring relentless pressure and that gives up the
Speaker 3: run almost for sure.
Speaker 8: So is it a scheme problem first or is it
Speaker 8: a personnel Probably personnel, and then the scheme tries to
Speaker 8: make up for which came first.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 1: The egg came first, and that is the personnel.
Speaker 7: But we're talking about the Green Bay playoff game, like
Speaker 7: your biggest loss ever, I mean absolutely, But why is
Speaker 7: that not a scheme?
Speaker 8: But why did you change the scheme because it was
Speaker 8: already because you had you didn't have enough cornerbacks, right,
Speaker 8: and the one cornerback that you had invested in for
Speaker 8: that year, the veteran cornerback and Stefan Gilmour had a
Speaker 8: dislocated shoulder, couldn't play press man. What is like Dan
Speaker 8: Queen like to play press man? So what do you
Speaker 8: have to do that game? Because of the lack of
Speaker 8: personnel change the scheme personnel scheme had a change.
Speaker 3: It's saying on the same page there it was personnel
Speaker 3: I just don't think the guys on this defense are
Speaker 3: very good.
Speaker 1: That's just playing and simple.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't have an I don't you don't have enough.
Speaker 1: I don't think you have certain certain guys.
Speaker 9: Guys you have some tech.
Speaker 1: I don't think either take is incorrect. I know it
Speaker 1: all again, there's one one to get to the other.
Speaker 10: Like Jerry admitted, this was a team wide failure on
Speaker 10: the defensive side of the ball, which means you have
Speaker 10: to assist the personnel outside of Quinn Williams, Kenny Clark
Speaker 10: and also who you just paid and wanting to bring
Speaker 10: back to Dave Yon in the development of Israku and
Speaker 10: you got a couple of young linebackers. You have to
Speaker 10: look at it from a personnel standpoint. How are we
Speaker 10: going to attack it free agency versus the draft. You
Speaker 10: don't want progress stoppers, but you need a veteran leadership
Speaker 10: such as Javian Colony because you don't have DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 10: in the building anymore. And I feel like that's a
Speaker 10: great replacement for DeMarcus Lawrence at this point in time.
Speaker 10: And then you look at the coach staff and you say, okay,
Speaker 10: well it's not all on Matt Eberflus, but it is
Speaker 10: on Matt Ebraflus, But it's also on position coaches. Right,
Speaker 10: Are the position coaches the one maybe the right guys
Speaker 10: to develop.
Speaker 1: The guys that you have. I feel we've had this
Speaker 1: guy have and I did that for a reason. But
Speaker 1: I'm believing that.
Speaker 3: I know one last point before we move on, because
Speaker 3: we got to take your calls. But you talked about
Speaker 3: whether to attack it through free agency, trades or the draft.
Speaker 3: You what has really hamstrung you more than anything in
Speaker 3: my opinion as well when it comes to personnel, is
Speaker 3: they have struck out on the defensive side of the
Speaker 3: ball in the draft. I'm gonna take twenty twenty five away, okay,
Speaker 3: because their rookies, Yeah, taking.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five out of it.
Speaker 3: The guys after before that that you have drafted, And
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can look at me and
Speaker 3: say you've seen enough out of any one of these
Speaker 3: guys for any particular reason. Please, but you've got of course,
Speaker 3: rest in peace, Marshaw Neeland, Love you, brother. He was
Speaker 3: probably the best guy out of that twenty twenty four
Speaker 3: class in terms of the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Maris Leafu, Kayln Carson, who's shown some thing.
Speaker 1: But have you seen enough?
Speaker 9: Same with Marris, absolutely not, same thing with with Mahris.
Speaker 3: Then you go down to Justin Rodgers, he was a
Speaker 3: seventh round pick, not even in the league anymore. Mazzie Smith,
Speaker 3: No Demarvi and over shown. You've seen some things and
Speaker 3: he might be the one exception, but he hasn't been
Speaker 3: on the fields, so that's tough. Villiami Fojoko, no Eric Scott,
Speaker 3: no Jalen Brooke. Oh wait, sorry, that's what offensive side
Speaker 3: of the ball. Sam Williams the year before that. He's
Speaker 3: still around, but has he lived up to the second
Speaker 3: round expectation?
Speaker 9: Absolutely No.
Speaker 3: Deron Bland, Yes, you've seen enough there that one's fine,
Speaker 3: Demon Clark, John Ridgeway, Devin Harper.
Speaker 1: I mean it goes on and on.
Speaker 3: That's three or four drafts where you have struck out
Speaker 3: on guys and you're still waiting on twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Donovan Azraku looks like he's going to be somebody, but
Speaker 3: you still need to see more. Savone revel he's been hurt, unavailable,
Speaker 3: and when he has been available, it hasn't shown out yet.
Speaker 3: Jamar James has shown some things, but still need to
Speaker 3: see more. You can't keep striking out on the defensive
Speaker 3: side of the ball in the draft.
Speaker 1: I agree they've added some pieces, but none of them
Speaker 1: have worked out, and that's a problem. Free agency, maybe
Speaker 1: free agencies the ante. Maybe trades are the answer. Who knows.
Speaker 3: I think they've they've kind of started dabbling in those
Speaker 3: realms over the last couple of years. All right, when
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Speaker 3: It is a Talking Tuesday, the final one of the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five seasons.
Speaker 6: I really like those words.
Speaker 3: I know we will take calls in sporadic points throughout
Speaker 3: the off season, just not right like every show because
Speaker 3: we're on Tuesday, so don't expect us to take calls
Speaker 3: every Tuesday.
Speaker 1: So here we go, Mike in New York, get us started.
Speaker 1: What's up, Big Mike?
Speaker 14: What's going on guys. I feel like the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 14: I know instincts. I wish the season wasn't coming here,
Speaker 14: and I feel like, you know, I hope we do
Speaker 14: something in free agency. I feel like the draft full
Speaker 14: of those things. You know it's hit or miss. You know,
Speaker 14: you get guys, you think you're gonna get guys that
Speaker 14: are good, and you just don't know. I like to
Speaker 14: see us do a little more free agency on the
Speaker 14: defensive side of the ball. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 14: Quinn Williams in interior's good, but we need lie we
Speaker 14: need lie backers, and we need sick indary help. I
Speaker 14: don't know. I know there's a lot to talk about Brian.
Speaker 14: Brian Flores is our new defensive coordinator. I don't know
Speaker 14: though here is it gonna change? I mean, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 14: coachem matters, but the players have to do it as well.
Speaker 14: And it's kind of you. I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 14: the way to see it.
Speaker 3: Thank you Mike for the call as always, and he
Speaker 3: brings up a good thing to remember when we go
Speaker 3: into this offseason. There are names and I'm not even
Speaker 3: gonna say Bflow because he's still under contract and he's
Speaker 3: doing this thing up in Minnesota, and there's a reason
Speaker 3: why he's having success on the defensive side up there
Speaker 3: despite not a great season. There are going to be
Speaker 3: names that fly around, whether it be coaching or free agents.
Speaker 3: Anytime there's a name that's mentioned online that is a
Speaker 3: free agent, in some sense of the word will be
Speaker 3: tied to the Dallas Cowboys. That does not mean that
Speaker 3: there is mutual interest between the Cowboys and that person
Speaker 3: g lidity. There might be interest from that person to
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. There might be interest from the Cowboys to
Speaker 3: that person, but there has to be mutual interest for
Speaker 3: that to happen. So this is a good reminder going
Speaker 3: into the off season that you cannot put your eggs
Speaker 3: in every basket that you see along the way, because
Speaker 3: just because a name is out there doesn't mean it's
Speaker 3: a real possibility or even that there's any truth to
Speaker 3: that name drives the price.
Speaker 1: Up and that's the case.
Speaker 8: And can you also communicate to our family, Yes, about
Speaker 8: what we can and cannot speak about.
Speaker 3: If anybody is under contract for the length of the
Speaker 3: league year, we can't talk about it. So if they're
Speaker 3: under Kyle, because that would be tampering get in real
Speaker 3: big trouble and the organization could lose draft picks if
Speaker 3: little old talking Cowboys decides to talk about people that
Speaker 3: are under contract on other rosters. So we can't talk
Speaker 3: about that. Let's do move on though, anybody else have
Speaker 3: any thoughts on it?
Speaker 6: Was a service announcement?
Speaker 1: Pa PSA. All right, Jalen and Shreveport. What's going on?
Speaker 5: Jayleen?
Speaker 6: Jalen just dropped.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jayleen, but we got Mike in Kentucky? What Mike
Speaker 1: in Kentucky? What part of Kentucky.
Speaker 15: I'm just a little bit west of Lexington.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I love Lexington so much. That's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite cities. I'm not even gonna lie
Speaker 3: so much. Bourbon and good food.
Speaker 1: It's a good spot. What's up that's on your mind?
Speaker 14: I think I'm the only Cowboys fan out here. It's
Speaker 14: a little lonely, but you down the fort.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, you'd be surprised. Appreciate you, Colin.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I'll be quick today.
Speaker 14: I just want to say how much I love the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I look forward to it every day, and I appreciate
Speaker 7: how positive you all are every day.
Speaker 1: It's just a bright spot in my day I get
Speaker 1: to look forward to, and I just want to call
Speaker 1: in to let you all know that as we finish
Speaker 1: up the season here.
Speaker 14: But uh, that's all I have. Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 9: I appreciate y'all, Thank you, Mike.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it.
Speaker 9: But you just said positive in.
Speaker 1: Like, what's that about? Where the heck is Corey Isaiah? No,
Speaker 1: not today remaining positive on us talking Tuesday.
Speaker 5: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you calling. Thanks, love and enjoy Lexington because that's
Speaker 1: a great talent. All right, Hoodie Cush from the bab Boys.
Speaker 5: Cush, what's up? Fella tells everybody this lovely day. Everybody
Speaker 5: enjoyed their holidays.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely positivity.
Speaker 5: Patrick, no seat prayers. Going up to the young man
Speaker 5: with a broken leg, you got to tell him to
Speaker 5: stop putting his foot up. People jump talking about.
Speaker 10: Well, you know, if it's free and Stoff talking about
Speaker 10: the Cowboys, maybe he won't break the foot off.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, Okay, some things are some things are acceptable,
Speaker 5: but let's let's get into it. So I'm seeing online
Speaker 5: you know shoddy is you know, uh the quote was
Speaker 5: we we messed up the rotation. That tells me that's
Speaker 5: coach speak for I'm taking bullets from my defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5: Am I wrong? And as far as coaching is concerned,
Speaker 5: as far as the uh prospects of coaching, I mean,
Speaker 5: you got Vans Joseph out there, who's probably going to
Speaker 5: uh his his contracts coming up, Steve Spagnolo, Jim Schwartz. Uh,
Speaker 5: there's a there's a litane you guys. So you guys
Speaker 5: are correct. It takes two to tango. We may want them,
Speaker 5: but do they want us? I am big on that,
Speaker 5: but that's pretty much where I'm go to leave it.
Speaker 5: I want you guys to have a blessed day. You heard,
Speaker 5: Happy New Year to y'all.
Speaker 1: So again, can't talk about those guys that he just mentioned.
Speaker 1: He was on hold, Kyle, he was fine.
Speaker 5: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to his first point of Brian
Speaker 3: Schottenheimer taking bullets for the defensive coordinated, he believe that's
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I think so absolutely.
Speaker 3: He took one most recently, and I respect Brian Foye
Speaker 3: most that's what a head coach should be doing.
Speaker 10: Not twenty four hours ago, he took another bullet because
Speaker 10: he said when he was kind of pressed about it
Speaker 10: being confusion on the coaching staff, because it was Stephen
Speaker 10: Jones that said to one O five three the fan
Speaker 10: that there was confusion as far as the Logan Wilson situation,
Speaker 10: and then they asked him to clarify.
Speaker 1: He said it was on the coaching staff.
Speaker 10: Okay, So segue to yesterday Brian Schottenheimer's press conference. Brian
Speaker 10: was asked about it and Brian said, yeah, it was
Speaker 10: on the coaching staff. He went to explain and then
Speaker 10: he pulled back for a second and said, hey, it
Speaker 10: happens on the offensive side of the ball too.
Speaker 1: Mm took that bullet again, did y?
Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, he's taking several bullets for the offensive coaching staff.
Speaker 3: And there are a couple times this year where you
Speaker 3: can see through kind of his wall a couple of
Speaker 3: times just because he is such a nice guy and
Speaker 3: he loves to talk, and you can kind of see
Speaker 3: there's a couple of times where eber Flus is not
Speaker 3: mentioned specifically, but you can kind.
Speaker 1: Of feel it. That frustrate frustration.
Speaker 3: But I think for the most part, I think Schottenheimer
Speaker 3: has done a good job of trying to shield the
Speaker 3: problems on that side of the ball and put it
Speaker 3: on himself as the head coach.
Speaker 7: As a guy that's so open with everybody and open
Speaker 7: with his answers, you can definitely see the wall when
Speaker 7: he puts it up. Yes, there will be certain questions
Speaker 7: where he's like, yep, could happen. I don't know, Jane
Speaker 7: Blue could be activated.
Speaker 1: I don't know who does. Who does and I don't know,
Speaker 1: but he'll protecting his guys.
Speaker 10: But I also stopped like he's he's the type of
Speaker 10: person that you know he'll do that great jubble of
Speaker 10: protecting the guys and then as soon as the press
Speaker 10: conference is over, pull that same gun to the into
Speaker 10: the offense seat.
Speaker 1: You're killing me, small, What are we doing here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Doing?
Speaker 1: Have y'all watch The Hard Knocks this season the nfcas
Speaker 1: it's worth a watch. It's actually really good.
Speaker 3: But there are some behind the scenes of Shody in
Speaker 3: that show that no one on the outside normally gets
Speaker 3: to see effects.
Speaker 1: And it's really it's He's intense. And I've said this before.
Speaker 3: One of the ways I was impressed with Schottenheimer to
Speaker 3: start was the way that he commanded the draft room
Speaker 3: on draft weekend. I've never seen anything quite like it.
Speaker 3: And one day, if I end up writing a book
Speaker 3: about some of the stories that I don't talk about
Speaker 3: on the air in the building here.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be one of the first chapter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tyler Booker and the Donovan Azeraku pick both
Speaker 3: of those were big time shoddy audience.
Speaker 1: Like those were not not shoddy, guys.
Speaker 3: But it was the way he commanded the room and
Speaker 3: put a vendetta across the board to make sure that
Speaker 3: they knew it was the right guy. He It was
Speaker 3: very interesting. It was quite interesting. I hope they make
Speaker 3: a documentary about it one day. Anyways, what were your
Speaker 3: thoughts on that one?
Speaker 1: For Isaiah? Were next? Call war stories? Three? Maybe? I
Speaker 1: don't know one? Last one one an emmy. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get to Jalen and shreem parties back. What's up, Jalen?
Speaker 15: How's it going, guys?
Speaker 7: New week and day for here, Yes, sir, it is
Speaker 7: just like Jalen to drop one and then come right
Speaker 7: back and and call back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good stuff, Jalen.
Speaker 15: Today is also today for the Independence I was.
Speaker 1: About to say, is the Independence Bowl today?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 12: So?
Speaker 1: It's lot of tech and who uh if.
Speaker 15: I knew that the initials are CCU, but I cannot
Speaker 15: recall like the Carolina car.
Speaker 5: Team that I could.
Speaker 15: It was a new team I've.
Speaker 1: Never heard of, coast Coastal Carolina. Yes, oh okay, so
Speaker 1: LO Tech in Coastal Carolina. That'll be fun. Are you going?
Speaker 15: I am, Actually it's gonna It's about a couple of
Speaker 15: years since the last time I've been out there. But
Speaker 15: I have a cousin who's actually at the Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, nice, very nice. We'll say hi
Speaker 3: to my my good friend, head coach of LA Tech,
Speaker 3: Sonny Comby. Good dude, h what's on your mind?
Speaker 15: I had a comment and a quick question.
Speaker 1: All right, okay.
Speaker 15: The comment was actually in reference to a couple of
Speaker 15: for being. First off, I'm gonna say I'm a long
Speaker 15: time listener for The of the Top Cowboys, and you're
Speaker 15: actually talking to the winner from a couple of seasons ago,
Speaker 15: to the person who won the Delays Potato ships.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, like the Lays
Speaker 1: turf chips it was yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 15: And I was the one who want that show and
Speaker 15: my loyalty for y'all all the ones that helped made
Speaker 15: that happen.
Speaker 14: Man, My question was, do you.
Speaker 15: Feel that the Cowboys need to both put more attention
Speaker 15: on free agency to fill the Greater Boys on defense
Speaker 15: and then leave the.
Speaker 5: Draft for.
Speaker 15: Uh BP a best player available considering where they are
Speaker 15: picking in the draft in the first raft.
Speaker 3: Great question, Jay, and appreciate you call, and appreciate you
Speaker 3: listening from all the way back there in those laze
Speaker 3: Chip days.
Speaker 1: Josh, I'm gonna let you start on this one.
Speaker 9: What you got, Yes, next call.
Speaker 1: Free agency, best player available? We solve the Cowboys, all right,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's what you do.
Speaker 9: That's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 7: Honestly, it feels like the Dallas Cowboys have kind of
Speaker 7: made a shift over the last off season to be
Speaker 7: more active in free agency, something we haven't seen from
Speaker 7: them in years.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 9: I think a little bit of that.
Speaker 7: I think it went a long way for us because
Speaker 7: you did get certain guys that are helping right now,
Speaker 7: thinking of Javonte Williams, thinking about a few other guys
Speaker 7: that really did contribute among all the other guys that
Speaker 7: didn't contribute that we talked about earlier in the episode.
Speaker 7: But I think that's an indicator of if you're getting
Speaker 7: guys proven guys. They are going to help your team
Speaker 7: right now. Regardless of the scheme. You need guys, Go
Speaker 7: get them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 10: The bottom line is in the NFL, the short of
Speaker 10: the window that you have, the more you need to
Speaker 10: lean on free agency, because the more you need proving
Speaker 10: guys you don't. You have less and less time to
Speaker 10: wait for a collegiate prospect to have a breakout season.
Speaker 10: Defensive line typically that's year three, if it's going to
Speaker 10: happen at all. Cornerbacks that's fluid, could be year two,
Speaker 10: could be year four. In the contract here, you need
Speaker 10: guys like a Jenevian Clowney. You just using him as
Speaker 10: an example because we were talking about him earlier that
Speaker 10: have already proven that they can and still play at
Speaker 10: a high level.
Speaker 1: And then that allows you to go into the draft.
Speaker 10: BPA have that freedom and say, Okay, these are the
Speaker 10: guys who are going to develop alongside and behind the
Speaker 10: proving guys we got in free agency. But again, I
Speaker 10: feel like if the window is longer, you can lean
Speaker 10: more on the on the draft side of things because
Speaker 10: you have some time to develop guys, which also means
Speaker 10: that you probably have some veterans already that you're still
Speaker 10: good to go with. But when you look at the
Speaker 10: Cowboys and you have a shrinking window, you have Dak
Speaker 10: Prescott still at a high level, but he's in his
Speaker 10: early thirties. I think he turns thirty three, thirty two,
Speaker 10: thirty three next year a second. Yeah, But when you
Speaker 10: have the window shrinking, bottom line is you have the
Speaker 10: windows shrinking, and you have the owner in general manager
Speaker 10: turns thirty three, and you have the owner and general
Speaker 10: manager becoming very aware of his own mortality.
Speaker 1: Not to be grim, but that's just the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter. Even deccoluting. He talks about it, all right,
Speaker 1: He talks about it all the time.
Speaker 10: Window is shrinking. You need more proven guys than developmental guys.
Speaker 10: I can't disagree with anything you guys just said. We'll
Speaker 10: get them guys. But it's not only just the guys
Speaker 10: in their capabilities on the field. You need some mental dogs,
Speaker 10: like especially on the defensive side of the ball. If
Speaker 10: there's a mentality that goes along and there is.
Speaker 7: A you need to intimidate a little bit. There's something
Speaker 7: about your defense right now is intimidating.
Speaker 9: Aside from your.
Speaker 8: Every in every dominant defense has an identity. This is
Speaker 8: one of the first years, regardless of how bad some
Speaker 8: of the defenses have been over the recent years, where
Speaker 8: you didn't feel as if there was an identity.
Speaker 1: Well they have one. It just it's just one spot.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, like even even star with it.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of teaks. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of discuss. There's been a lot of discuss.
Speaker 8: In terms of the defense of predictivity over the last
Speaker 8: whatever horse has been now.
Speaker 6: But you can go along the line, start at Nolan
Speaker 6: and walk your way down.
Speaker 8: You can say which each coordinator brought, what their identity
Speaker 8: of the coach was, and how they tried to reincarnate
Speaker 8: that with the players on the field.
Speaker 6: You can't say that this year.
Speaker 10: No, you can now like DQ, you can say takeaways,
Speaker 10: you can say pass rush, you couldn't say run defense.
Speaker 10: But yeah, he's zimmered. Do wa gat You know what
Speaker 10: I'm saying, Like fusion twenty twenty five, Well you got
Speaker 10: you got Q, you got Kenny, But those came.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not identity.
Speaker 6: Those are players. What's identity.
Speaker 3: That's that's a good point, all right. We got to
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Speaker 1: gonna get to.
Speaker 3: Let's go here in this final segment of a Talking
Speaker 3: Tuesday's been some great calls already, so the pressure is
Speaker 3: on for Jamie in Edinburgh, Texas.
Speaker 1: What's up, Jamie?
Speaker 12: Hey, thank you guys along time listener, and just want
Speaker 12: to say thank you for QB vision and for lab
Speaker 12: coat Dells or two awesome segments. Thank you guys for that,
Speaker 12: and uh, I just want to say two things one
Speaker 12: two more things. One, Kyle, if you could do me
Speaker 12: a favorite? And the U t R G V Vocos
Speaker 12: they're the inaugural season was this year they went eight
Speaker 12: and three and kind of wanted to maybe for the draft,
Speaker 12: U see who could be you know, considered from that
Speaker 12: team for the draft. Awesome, Thank you so much. I
Speaker 12: appreciate it. And then the I'll nex we'll make it quick.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 12: The other thing too is what would be the type
Speaker 12: of decordinator that you guys would like to have on
Speaker 12: this team. I know we can't say names said they're
Speaker 12: under contract, but like let's say a Rex Ryan type
Speaker 12: or I'm going to go way back in the day,
Speaker 12: so they wants that type and would you want the
Speaker 12: identity of that decordinator to be a front to excuse me,
Speaker 12: a front to back or a back to front. And
Speaker 12: U with that, I'll hang up and listen to you guys.
Speaker 12: You guys are amazing. Thank you so much for everything
Speaker 12: you guys appreciate.
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, happy Rex Ryan defense, it'd be foot.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 8: Since you asked, I am of the mindset of very
Speaker 8: aggressive defensive coordinator.
Speaker 14: MMM.
Speaker 1: And he's not under contract, so you can go ahead
Speaker 1: and say the name.
Speaker 8: I've been on the table for for Rex for some
Speaker 8: years and I've I'm on that mountain by myself. It's okay,
Speaker 8: and I'm perfectly fine being on the mountain. What is
Speaker 8: it I climb out Killiman Jarl two years ago? I
Speaker 8: have no I'm climbing mountains people, all right. Rex Ryan
Speaker 8: is somebody that I will put in the pool of
Speaker 8: people that I would like.
Speaker 7: To Why is it aside from his personality, aside from
Speaker 7: the name, what is it about his defense?
Speaker 8: I've had to prepare against his defense? So I'm speaking, yes,
Speaker 8: you can. That's a problem right into lat.
Speaker 1: No problem, No, no.
Speaker 8: And I've told Kyle this before, and I'm sitting on
Speaker 8: this platform before. I've had to prepare. I've had the
Speaker 8: the privilege of sitting in a room underneath Tom Brady
Speaker 8: as he and we prepared to take on the New
Speaker 8: York Jets at the time that was that was led
Speaker 8: by Rex Ryan. It was the most difficult team to
Speaker 8: prepare for. It was just hands down that that scheme
Speaker 8: was the most difficult scheme to prepare for and some
Speaker 8: for a defense is one thing. For a defense to
Speaker 8: be effective, is one thing for a defense to be aggressive.
Speaker 8: It's another thing for a defense to be confusing. Hardly
Speaker 8: ever do you get all three. And that was the
Speaker 8: one defensive coordinator personally that I experienced on the field,
Speaker 8: And now I can say, watching film all the time
Speaker 8: for all the games that Cowboys have played, that possess
Speaker 8: all three of those those categories for me. And I know,
Speaker 8: I know he's a wild card, and I know he's
Speaker 8: a big personality and all the things that people can
Speaker 8: dislike or like about him, but you can't talk about
Speaker 8: his scheme and if he has the personnel with that
Speaker 8: scheme and that confusion and that aggressiveness. I like all
Speaker 8: of that because you can literally adapt who you are
Speaker 8: from a week to week basis based upon your opponent.
Speaker 8: Every coordinator can't do that, and I've always felt as
Speaker 8: if he can do that, and he's a crazy enough
Speaker 8: dude where he is like I'm gonna die my own sword.
Speaker 6: Like if you're gonna beat us, you have to make
Speaker 6: a freaking play.
Speaker 8: It's not gonna be no sit back and chill and
Speaker 8: let you just work your way down the field or
Speaker 8: there's nothing. There's nothing about him that says, eh, go ahead,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? And I like that as
Speaker 8: a decordinator. Now, most offensive head coaches don't like that.
Speaker 8: They rather be safe, right, So they didn't get the
Speaker 8: ball back. So I understand why he's not perceived as
Speaker 8: being somebody else should be in a conversation. But I
Speaker 8: like what he's done in the league. I like his
Speaker 8: personality because the guys that are on the field are
Speaker 8: him right. They're balls to the wall, hit you know,
Speaker 8: go run through somebody's chest, aggressive type players. You have
Speaker 8: to have that personality type to play for a coach
Speaker 8: like that. He's not the only type that does that,
Speaker 8: but he is unique.
Speaker 9: Now to his question, is he more of a like
Speaker 9: from the secondary?
Speaker 5: He is?
Speaker 8: He is line of scrimmage, He's defensive lineman all the
Speaker 8: way out to the corners. Corners, gonna be big, physical,
Speaker 8: in your face. We're in your hip pockets.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 8: It's very much so like a dan Quinn. He is
Speaker 8: a which is why I love dan Quinn. Dan Quinn
Speaker 8: was that style of defense as well. If I'm gonna
Speaker 8: go out, you got to beat me, right. If that's
Speaker 8: just my style. Right, if I was the coach, You're
Speaker 8: gonna be one b one man.
Speaker 6: Mono, E mono. I'm challenging you as a man to
Speaker 6: do your job. You do your job, we win.
Speaker 8: And if they and if they do happen to beat us,
Speaker 8: it's because they made one hell of a play, not
Speaker 8: because we sat here and watched them run routes in
Speaker 8: front of us. Right defensive line, same thing, aggressive, same thing.
Speaker 8: If you're gonna protect against us and you're your quarterbacks,
Speaker 8: you gonna have time. You're all gonna have to work
Speaker 8: for it. It's not gonna because we're rushing for or
Speaker 8: maybe we'll bring one edition. No, no, you're getting after
Speaker 8: it and you don't know where it's coming from. And
Speaker 8: I love that about these defenses.
Speaker 1: I love everything you're saying. I love the mentality that
Speaker 1: that would bring.
Speaker 3: I love the opportunity that it would give to a
Speaker 3: lot of the guys on the team already to maybe
Speaker 3: take their game to at the level I think I'm good,
Speaker 3: understanding good without Rex Ryan and that capacity.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say there are two things to remember.
Speaker 3: One Brian Schottenheimer was the offensive coordinator under Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 3: for a couple of seasons in New York within the Jets.
Speaker 3: The number two thing you got to remember he was
Speaker 3: fired by Rex Ryan as the offensive coordinator after a
Speaker 3: couple of seasons with the Jets.
Speaker 1: So we don't know what that relationship's like. We don't
Speaker 1: know what that would turn into early in his career.
Speaker 1: It was early on, it was back in twenty nine
Speaker 1: and the twenty eleven or whatever it ends up being.
Speaker 6: Sometimes paying makes you grow, you appreciate those things.
Speaker 10: Sometimes one thing, great, argument, great, great, great, next year
Speaker 10: is what twenty twenty six Yeah, okay, Rix Ryan hasn't
Speaker 10: coached an NFL defense since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's ten years. Our NFL offense is
Speaker 1: the same as they weren't twenty sixteen. Not even what's
Speaker 1: his role? It's the window long or what's his role?
Speaker 6: What's his role right now? Football?
Speaker 1: It's the window long.
Speaker 8: So you're speaking to coaches in our past who have
Speaker 8: been away from the game, not tied to the game.
Speaker 8: This person you're talking about, somebody whose job is literally
Speaker 8: to watch football every day and then talk about it.
Speaker 1: Do you think he does that? Absolutely? Absolutely right.
Speaker 8: I'm just curious people who love people who love the game,
Speaker 8: watch the game, right And if you love the game
Speaker 8: and you're gonna watch the game, and if you're paid
Speaker 8: to talk about the game.
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch a game.
Speaker 6: You're gonna watch a game.
Speaker 10: Okay, you're stripping context ten years of that, that's fine,
Speaker 10: absolutely call. You're absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: So from the football acumen aspect, still sharp, I'll assume.
Speaker 1: So I'll assume.
Speaker 10: So the offensive game has changed from twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 10: these aren't the same types of players, better or for worse.
Speaker 1: You have to coach these players different.
Speaker 9: You're absolutely correct, different generation.
Speaker 1: And different generation and for better for us.
Speaker 10: I know people want to jump in the channel to
Speaker 10: look Okay, I'm an old school guy for sure.
Speaker 1: Just so we're clear, I'm an old school guy. I'm
Speaker 1: an old school sports guy, and I was.
Speaker 10: Talked to a certain way when I was in Pop
Speaker 10: Warner in junius, in high school and college. It was
Speaker 10: I'm raised on two A days in pestle juice, and
Speaker 10: that's those things wearing trash bags. That being said, I'm
Speaker 10: also not being asked to coach these plays. I don't
Speaker 10: disagree with these players.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other These players are here right after
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this question.
Speaker 8: So do you just take that and say I'm not saying,
Speaker 8: or do you bring in somebody who has a certain
Speaker 8: requirement of his players? And if you were to take
Speaker 8: a coordinator and place him on this team right now,
Speaker 8: which person could you put on this staff that will
Speaker 8: require less turnover and he can actually work with you?
Speaker 5: Have?
Speaker 10: I have a couple of ideas, got to say because
Speaker 10: in the contract. But what you need is a guy
Speaker 10: who can blend both the old school and the ability
Speaker 10: to relate. That's what Shottenheimer does on the offensive side.
Speaker 1: Yep, Sorry Chris, we didn't get time to get No.
Speaker 6: Twelve collars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry Chris and Mendeth. So we love you buddy.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk to you again tomorrow.
Speaker 3: More Talking Cowboys for Patrick Nosi, Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah
Speaker 3: stand back, Chris Beam in the back.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle yum As. We'll see it tomorrow.
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