WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Serve the Defense First? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:03.120 The following. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.160 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.840 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.920 Doll Cowboys. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:17.280 This he's Talking Cowboys Straining live from the Dallas Cowboys 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.480 World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:27.880 Putson take burners here, that's got Tisayas touchdown and now 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:35.400 your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.159 It's a Talking Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys presented by 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.240 Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco, Texas, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.720 in the s w BC studio. Welcome in, everybody. We've 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.240 got the whole cast and crew ready for you to 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.160 rock today with Patrick no Cy Walker back in the building, 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:59.240 Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah standback with the theme in the Backham 0:00:59.320 --> 0:00:59.920 Kyle Yeomans. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.480 So glad you're with us. You might want to get 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.800 on the phone line right now. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:05.440 Got me now? 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.120 Eight eight eight eight five five two two nine seven, Because. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.160 Ladies and gentlemen of Talking Cowboys Nation are family out 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.920 there doing We're talking. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:16.199 We're taking your phone calls. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:16.920 How long, Kyle. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.160 This is the last show that we're gonna take your 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.040 phone calls in the regular season, so it has to 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.040 be worth it. So it's gotta be worth it. It's 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.760 a Talking Tuesday. It's the last Talking Tuesday of the 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.160 twenty twenty five calendar and football season. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.119 The best Dressed to Talking Cowboys podcast on Dallas Cowboys 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:40.440 dot Com. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:40.960 Look at it. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.760 I'm you know what i'mbout to go. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.160 That's what I'm gonna put it out here. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.080 The twelfth caller, Uh huh, the twelfth, twelve, We're gonna 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.200 get the twelfth. The twelfth caller gets that jacket right 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:54.520 there from no seat right here. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.720 I'm down for that. All right, let's do it. That's it. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.200 Let's do we get that jacket right there. That hear 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:05.280 you another morning, much like much like a fiber field brick. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:14.280 This contract is right, it's very mad. A musical contract. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.160 That is not he said. I didn't say it. Can't 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:17.960 hold me to him. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.040 Patrick, We missed you yesterday. Man, that other guy. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.400 Brother, we forgot to do the drop like with him 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.440 on the show. I know we missed the opportunity. Missed 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:32.040 the opportunity. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.760 Guys, had a little bit of a family emergency. My 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.480 my fourteen year old son, he broke his leg. Oh yeah, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.320 uh just boy being a boy, boy being a boy. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:44.919 We've all been there. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.320 No growth plates, right, no, right. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.760 He went to the ortho on yesterday and turns out 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.120 he does not need to have surgery. They simply cast them, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.480 make sure. Yeah, they made sure the bone was reset correctly, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.000 cast him up and follow up in four weeks. 0:02:58.280 --> 0:02:59.040 It will assbody. 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.320 Yeah, you know how tough that is, as like a 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.800 twelve year old kid to be like, yeah, I broke 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.480 my leg. Okay, fourteen year old kid, uh to say like, yeah, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.799 I broke my leg. Yeah, like sorry, yeah, yeah, you 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.680 guys just got to deal with your like wimpy little 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.800 things over there. It was, and I'm just gonna come 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.280 back stronger than that. It's awful to do it in 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:21.679 the winter break. 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:26.200 Too, school, but reappear with the cast. Yeah, but see 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.600 now they have it. I didn't know this was a thing. 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.680 They it's not gonna miss summer, Like he's not gonna 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.720 be like, you know, like he's not gonna be able 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:33.680 to run around outside and that kind of thing. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.280 They make it difficult to kind of sun the cast nowadays, though, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.040 because back in the day they gave us the tan, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:39.320 the beige, the white cast. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:40.800 Their casts are black. 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.040 Now silver gold sharpies. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.000 Yeah, but then that's given raiders and we don't that's true. 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:47.840 We're not doing that. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.640 So yeah black to Xavier, Dad is extremely proud of you. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.680 I know exactly how much pain you were in when 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.280 that happened. Dad has broken bones before. I know that 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.840 was level fifteen pain level ten scale. But he handled 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.880 it like an absolute champ. And I mean he's also 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.960 he's in karate and jiu jitsu and has been for years, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:08.000 so he then you're his dad. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:12.120 Yeah, I'm sure that doesn't hurt. But seriously, I mean 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.280 he knows how intended. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.200 Yeah, yeah, facts, he knows how to manage his pain, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.560 and he knows the mental part of it. So shouts 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.240 out to Xavier, love your big boy, and hell love Dad. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.480 To talk to you later. Very cool, that man. Well 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:24.280 glad to have you back. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.320 Tommy did a great job yesterday. I do you want 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:29.480 to get your thoughts on the Cowboys and Commanders before 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.840 we get into news and now, g RG what's. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.200 That get right game? Okay, defense was a get right game. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.600 Cowboys didn't play Jaydon Daniels, they didn't play Marcus Marioda. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.279 They played Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson put up the most 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:51.720 points that he has in years. Okay, running backs out 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.120 there looking like Adrian Peterson, you know, and I'm not 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.120 just talking about Debo. I will say, yeah, Krosskey married 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:00.720 looks like Adrian Peterson. I even tweet that day, I 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.240 was like, is that Crosskey, Marritle? Is that ap or 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:03.840 ad if? 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:04.040 You know? 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.000 All day? 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.080 I can respect Deebo Samuel getting his look back after 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.440 Javonte Williams put one of their defenders through the planet. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:13.360 That's fair. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.320 Love me some good football, some payback football. But the 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.360 defense for the most part, it just looks like it 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.800 can't figure itself out. And then after the fact you 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.120 ask questions about, well, why was Logan Wilson receiving zero 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.080 defensive snaps? And then the answer was there was quote 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.000 unquote confusion on the on the side of the coaching staff, 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.440 the defensive side of the coaching staff as far as rotational. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.680 So it's week seventeen and there's. 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:46.440 Still miscommunication, not simply between players on the field, maybe 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.840 because he's in the booth, but was it much better 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.640 communication wise when he was on the sideline. So I 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.480 mean that's another takeaway from me. You you know, now 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.240 you have better now you have the revelation that they're 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.320 continuing to have coaching issues on the defensive side of 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.200 the ball, and that you know, translates onto the field. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.400 So there were a couple of bright spots to Devion 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.280 Clowney being the biggest bright spot for me. You know, 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.360 I can't stand on that table enough as far as 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:18.920 resigning that guy, re sign him, re signed him, Jaevion Clowney. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.680 He wants to be here. He also said he wants 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:26.680 to participate in some training camp, not for It's seldom 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.840 that you hear a mercenary, twelve year mercenary say that 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.240 he wants to be in somebody's training camp. He wants 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.240 to be in someone's full offseason pro so that so 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.080 that he won't have as much rust as he did starting. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:40.160 He wants to hit the ground right. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.640 Full seventeen plus, seventeen plus at the highest level, not 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.600 not okay for the first seven and then elite for 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:49.680 the remaining ten. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:51.599 I like those words. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.080 I did look up something yesterday after the show that 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.680 has me slightly concerned with, Oh, come on, way to 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.520 be a Debbie Downer. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.480 Well, it's because we're supposed to speak the truth here 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.760 are you talking about the Cowboys having ever the worst 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.240 that the most points given up in Cowboys history. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:11.200 Yeah, that's pretty bad. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:13.400 That's not the one you were talking about. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.480 No, Oh, that's not what it was. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.840 It's the fact that Jdavian Clowney every year, every other 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.880 year in his career has been productive. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.240 And then he disappears. Then he's productive and then he disappears. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:27.760 Light switch. 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.640 Yeah, And it's very back and forth, and it's very 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.720 contingent on what the contract situation. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.080 Is, Kyle. But he didn't have a full season, so 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.600 he would be right in the first yea, So. 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.840 Maybe it is maybe we're okay, maybe we're we're all right, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:44.560 But I mean, you look, you look back at it. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.000 So let's go after the Pro Bowl years. 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:48.880 So he had three straight Pro Bowl years where he 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.400 was fantastic from twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen. After that, 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.320 he goes three sacks, which is okay but not great. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:59.800 Then he goes zero. New team signs him Cleveland, puts 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:03.160 up nine sacks. Second year with Cleveland, goes back down 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.520 the three. Then he goes to Baltimore. New team, what's 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.640 up nine and a half sacks on a one year deal. 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.040 One of his best seasons he's had in recent memory. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.840 Then he turns around, he goes to Carolina. Five and 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.200 a half sacks not the same, but he signed a 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:22.400 new deal with Carolina where he had more cash. Then he's, 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.080 of course a free agent, comes in late with Cowboys. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.080 He's put up five and a half again, been more 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:31.520 productive and less games and less appearances. Does that mean 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.360 that he's ready for that contract and ready to take 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.080 the step forward and continue that production in twenty twenty 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.800 six or are we due to see a bit of 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:41.360 a drop off. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.640 Five and a half is double digits around these parts. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:44.880 Buddy, take the. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.640 Sacks right, the hitters absolutely. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.480 I don't think beggars can be choosers when you have 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.640 a situation where you got Javion Clowney, who is given 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.160 the effort that he's giving in games that have no 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.240 playoff implications and for a defensive endroom that we have 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.120 continuously said is in dire st We do hope and 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.760 expect that as Raku will take the next step. We 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.360 hope that the Cowboys will address the position with one 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.040 of their top one of their top picks, be it 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.160 first round or third or whatever, one of their top 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.200 picks in the twenty twenty six NFL Draft, and then 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:15.839 you hope they address it in free agency. But I 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.840 feel like one way to address it in free agency 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.839 is to go with what you know, and what you know. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.319 Having test driven Jenevion Clowney for the entirety of a season, 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:24.160 now you know what. 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:25.880 He can be in the locker U all the entirety 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.400 of the season, but not even you. 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.240 Also, he can be in the law. You also kind 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.880 of did that, not to cut you off. I mean, uh, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.480 you kind of did that with Dante Fowler Junior, and 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.920 you thought you knew. You thought you you thought you knew, 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.520 and you didn't. You did, and he didn't. He hasn't 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:40.480 done it. That's fair. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.160 So so the same thought process could be applied to 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.360 Jadevian Clowney. It might not happen the same way. 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:46.959 It might not. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:51.160 Difference being though is again it's it's to your point, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:52.959 because you make an excellent point as far as the 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:54.040 up down, up down of Ji. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.320 I just want to point it out. I love Jaavian 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.040 and I've been very impressed with him. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:03.640 But the between Fowler and Clowney was wildly different. Okay, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.240 Fowler is the one coming off of a career season 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.880 with the Washington Commanders, Fowler was the one reuniting with 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.680 this staff and new staff, but reuniting with the organization, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.760 so they were supposed to be familiarity. That kind of 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.920 helped him kind of hit the ground running to make 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:18.360 none of those things game. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.040 The fruition for him. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.080 But then here comes Genevion Clowney from a completely different, 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.280 different sphere with the Carolina Panthers. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.560 He's never been with the real expectation, no real. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:32.720 Expectations, and he outperforms. So you have an overachiever versus 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.640 an underachiever, and that's kind. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:35.360 Of what you have to look at. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.280 I think when he was signed, though I'm waiting on you, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.040 when he was signed, I think our whole thought process 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.840 is if he could get to the production he had 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.320 in Carolina, then it was worth five and a half secs. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.200 And he's got he's literally there right now. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.160 Who knows what he gets this week to up that number, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.680 but I think he's been worth what you've had overachieving. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.240 It's just been marginal, like it's a marginal overachievement, but 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.559 it is a slight over it. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:01.640 It's more than you expected. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:02.520 Exactly. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.280 But it's not a marginal underachievement, not at all. Yeah, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.840 it's just not under all. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.040 Right, Isaiah, you had your hand. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.440 I don't believe that it was an overachievement by Jadavian Clowney. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.080 That's what I'm saying. It's it's exactly what you fel. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.640 Yeah, this is the expectations that I had of Jadamon Clowney, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.640 reason being exactly what I said last week or the 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.480 week before, whatever it was, when we were having a 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.800 conversation about the type of defensive end that I would 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:31.520 like to bring in. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.120 Big body, big body. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.080 You want that, dude, because a big body defensive end 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.079 that possesses the ability to pass rush as well as 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.360 the run stop is more valuable than just a pure 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:48.040 pass rusher. In my eyes, I can't speak for everybody else, 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:53.000 Dante Fowler Junior is just a pass rusher. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:54.719 Start dragging your words out like that. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:02.480 In a particular system, Dan Quinn system, that's where Dante 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.080 Fowler Junior has thrived. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.680 No indictment on him at all. He's just better utilized 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:10.160 and more. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.439 Impactful when he's in that specific type of scheme. A 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:22.040 Jadevian Clowney body type is somebody that has a greater 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.599 chance of having success in any system that you have, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.240 because no matter what, when you bring in different coaches, 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.040 you don't want to have to turn over your personnel 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:37.000 as well. Change is imminent in the NFL, So you're 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.320 either gonna be changing personnel or you're gonna be changing 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.719 your coaches. Right, You much rather be able to keep 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.439 your personnel and have them adapt to the coaches should 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.480 you need to change there. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.160 Jadevian Clowney is. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.199 A versatile He's a Swiss knife type of guy that 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.280 could play whatever you need and to play you needed 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.440 a pass rush, you can passor you need a run stop, 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.040 he could run stop. You need to hold the fort, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:58.959 He'll hold the force, set the edge, whatever it might be. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.000 Every the d is not made up that way. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.559 And that's what I would like to say about Jay clown. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.160 But Okay, you're talking about scheme, fit and all those things. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.400 Are you saying that the Cowboys not? I'm not trying 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:14.199 to put words anymore, but do you think the Cowboys 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.160 did enough to change the personnel to fit? 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:19.079 They tried. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.280 They certainly tried. That was the point that I wanted 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:22.520 to make. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.319 Certainly tried going back to our conversation last last yes yesterday. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:27.240 Yeah, they tried. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.959 They added two new interior defensive tackles, dulf of what 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:36.000 you are a dogs, okay? They they they traded for 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:41.520 three linebackers. Three linebackers. Okay, they went and ahead and 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.080 drafted big corner. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:44.920 Don't forget about kyri Elam. 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:50.240 They brought it right, they So they brought in kyer 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.440 Elam was not a man and man guy. We knew 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.720 that last year right when it was in Buffalo didn't 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.480 have the greatest of years. But they brought him here 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:57.880 because they said, you know, he's not a man of 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.360 man guy. He's more of his own guy. So work 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.360 for this system didn't work out, right, Traded for three 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:10.840 linebackers in most people's eyes, hasn't worked out. Brought into 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.920 two interior defense alignment hit. They hit on that one right, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.760 And then they brought into Davian Clowns. So when you 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:26.040 think about the additions to this defense, Clowney Clark, Williams, Wilson, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.320 H Murray, who else am I miss? 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.480 Sam Born? They brought in elm eight guys. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.440 They tried, but like you just said, and I think 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.040 you kind of just reiterated his point from earlier. You 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:45.480 brought in two sure surefire guys Clark, Yeah, Clark and 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.000 Quinn Williams, guys that could probably work in any scheme. 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:51.560 It doesn't matter the scheme. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.840 So those are just god and they tried and in 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.120 guys you knows first and foremost. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.360 No see can allude to this. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.400 It's not specific because it never went down right, But 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.600 they tried to acquire other people as well. That would 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.480 have had a tremendous impact and would have helped tremendously 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.720 on this defense. It just didn't work out financially right. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.480 But so also the point we had yesterday, there's only 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.280 so much pie. There's only so much pie, and it's 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.880 gonna get worse because if you choose, if you choose 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.920 to bring back George Pickens and Williams and Jamonti when 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.760 Jamonti was not gonna kill the bank, I think you'd 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.480 be able to find somebody compromise. He's gonna want a 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.640 multi year deal though, he's gonna want a multi year deal, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.160 but I don't see it being more than you know, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:33.760 five or sixty. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.520 He's not gonna be a franchise tag possibility like Pickins. 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.600 Will Yeah, he's not gonna affect your salary cap in 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.680 my eyes, right but George Pickens, George Pickens is right. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.760 If you want to retain George Pickens, he is going 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.920 to impact how much pie can go around. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.080 There's there's already not enough pie going around. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.520 So most if it's on the offensive side of the football. 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:57.760 Absolutely three, you're gonna be paying five people, probably seventy 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.800 percent of your salary your salary cap. Yeah, summer, I 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:02.800 don't I numbers. I don't have that in front of 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:06.200 me right now. But dak CD Georgia if he comes back, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.440 Tyler Smith, Jake. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.920 Person, I'm not worried about the seller, Kip not worried 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.720 about I'm I'm not worried about that. There's there's the 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.880 pie is finite, but the pie can be you can 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.480 find ways to expect to that pie, but to sign 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.480 impact players and that. So that with that being said, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.200 you're going to have to let some guys walk, and 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:27.360 that because right. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.040 Now they're projected to be thirty million over the cap 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.120 in twenty twenty six, but in which is the worst 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:32.720 in the NFL. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.040 The guys that you have to discuss potentially walking is 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.400 not the George Pickens of the It's not the Javonte 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.520 Williams of the world. For me, it's not the Davion 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.160 Clowney of the world. It's if you're going to move 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.000 on from this defensive coordinator. And it sounds as if 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:48.920 because you can interpret what Jerry Jones said in one 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.520 O five three the Fantas however you like. He said, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.000 I'm glad this, thanks, but here's the quote he said, 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.040 as far as discussing the defensive side of the ball 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.280 and the coaching staff and the quarterator quote, we'll get 0:16:59.280 --> 0:16:59.920 to that pronto. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.320 More than one person had their finger in this. 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.720 We're trying to solve the problem and get better where 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:06.600 we are, and one guy is not going to do 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.560 that freeze for a second. So at that moment you're thinking, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.480 oh man, he might hold on. It's not all ebra 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.119 flues at all. That's a team wide breakdown. And then 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.560 he continued on as far as making it sound one 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.359 way or the other, there's no one between. It sounds 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.600 like either Jerry Jones is going to keep his continuity 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.240 with Matt Eberflus or. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.159 He's going to clean house. He's a defensive side of 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:27.440 the ball. 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.680 I don't feel like there's any one way in between that, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.840 which brings me back to the point I'm about to make. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.280 Do Isaia, if you're going to make that change at 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:39.080 the fensive coordinator and clean house. Jerry also later in 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.880 the conversation with the fans, spoke about his concern about 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.040 progress stoppers. 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.399 That was his phrase, progress stoppers. It wasn't tied to Clowney. 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.480 It wasn't tied to Williams Jiante obviously, it's not even 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.440 tied to George Pickens obviously. But might it be tied 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.560 to a guy like a Jack Samborne or Kenneth Murray. Absolutely, 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.680 you see what I mean, might be tied to those guys. 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.680 So then if you take that thought probably from Jerry 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.560 and he's concerned about certain guys being progressed oppers, not 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.040 the guys we're talking about, new defensive coordinator comes in. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.000 What's the message to the new defensive coordinator? Has Jerry 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.879 Jones and the Cowboys learned to not look at that 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.560 DC and say we'll get your guys, or will he say, 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.720 develop who's here like your Mayris Lea Files, you're demr 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.040 Fion overshown some of your younger Donovan z Roku Jamar 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.000 Shamar James. It makes for a very interesting conversation to 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:26.880 be had upstairs. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.960 And that's where I think dan Quinn had success here 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.560 because I'm I'm of the mentality and when you watch 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.159 the film going back to twenty twenty one, when he 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.840 took over a Mike Nolan defense that was historically bad 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.639 in twenty two, when you started in twenty twenty one, 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.280 I don't think the talent on this defense is overstepping 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:47.520 anybody else in the NFL. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.560 But what dan Quinn did is he developed the talent 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.320 that was in the building because and he developed the guys. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.159 He fit guys to the system that he had, and 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.000 we've talked about that multiple times, and then that system 0:18:59.080 --> 0:18:59.640 kind of a game. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:00.880 His system. 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.960