Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. Hey, Greg, nice tortoise nerd
Speaker 1: from the Chris Westling podcast studio sniper shot. It's around
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis Greg Rosenthal's here? Untoward Gregg,
Speaker 1: untoward Mark Sessler? How is everybody? I'm all for a
Speaker 1: you know, out of out of a deep space shot
Speaker 1: at Greg once in a while, but that seemed unseemly
Speaker 1: to me. Greg, I don't I don't approve. I'm glad
Speaker 1: for the concern. Nori has been struggling with the move.
Speaker 1: We've had to move her cakes all around. She hasn't
Speaker 1: been eating. The rain came and we had a covering,
Speaker 1: but you know, we're having to buy something to cover up.
Speaker 1: But she got a little wet. So we're we're we're
Speaker 1: a little worried about Nori. Why does caring for an animal,
Speaker 1: which we've all done in our lifetime, and why does
Speaker 1: that make you a nerd? Among other things that I mean, Listen,
Speaker 1: we didn't write that, we didn't record it. We had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with this through me. We never do.
Speaker 1: Um the tortoise, I feel like you can probably of
Speaker 1: all the pets. Yeah, if the tortoise doesn't make it
Speaker 1: just get another one. Yeah, they're all the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not personality driven, not an animal from that I'm different.
Speaker 1: It's like no, like you are the same, You're the
Speaker 1: same during dinosaurs with the child even know, depending on
Speaker 1: the child. The whole point though, is that like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be sixty five years old and Nori will still
Speaker 1: be there. And that's the that's the beauty of the tortoise.
Speaker 1: They don't die on you say, they stay with you
Speaker 1: forty years. Oh well, then everybody wins. But I'm saying
Speaker 1: if the tortoise croaks, yeah, there's a scenario where you
Speaker 1: just replace the tortoise because of all the most important
Speaker 1: thing is to keep your child happy and not not
Speaker 1: be facing themes about what about myself? You know, it's
Speaker 1: about you. It's about the around the NFL digging into
Speaker 1: a big, big newsday. Um, we last spoke of you
Speaker 1: on two on Monday, and then Tuesday was a massive
Speaker 1: development of various storylines and we're gonna get to them
Speaker 1: all in the news m But you know, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest. I think the Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: story and he's meeting with the Jets. That is huge
Speaker 1: obviously on a number of levels personally as well. But
Speaker 1: the Lamar Jackson situation has layers. It's got a little
Speaker 1: something for everyone. Whatever angle you cover football from, it's
Speaker 1: got a little something for you. And I thought that
Speaker 1: yesterday was fascinating because Greggy as for instance, you're a
Speaker 1: member of the Lamarmie. Yeah, and I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: a freedom fighter. On the other side, I feel like
Speaker 1: you are. But you're just taking the easy way out.
Speaker 1: Just say how you feel. You think he's overrated, You're
Speaker 1: part of the Smarmie ll Smarmie. I don't find him
Speaker 1: to be at the level of you know, the greats
Speaker 1: in the league right now, but I see him as
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Love to have him by my team.
Speaker 1: But I what I'm saying is when after all this talk,
Speaker 1: all this speculation for weeks about why don't the Ravens
Speaker 1: give him what he wants, the fully guaranteed contract, and
Speaker 1: then they hit him with the transitional tag, the Ravens,
Speaker 1: the franchise tag, the non exclusive franchise tag, and then
Speaker 1: where it got really juicy, Mark was multiple teams. It
Speaker 1: starts leaking to reporters are instantly not interested. We're being
Speaker 1: told right now. That's where it stands now. The Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons and Miami Dolphins, the Carolina Panthers, the Washington Commanders,
Speaker 1: and it's creating this big story that goes beyond the player.
Speaker 1: And maybe in some ways it's always been bigger than
Speaker 1: Lamar because of what it means financially with the league.
Speaker 1: It's just heating up. This is a huge story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think the interest among any general
Speaker 1: manager or any coach in Lamar, it would be intense.
Speaker 1: If Lamar's you know, theorized contract demands at some stage
Speaker 1: in this process, Let's say they changed a little bit,
Speaker 1: they lowered, they became a little bit off of this,
Speaker 1: or they even found out what they were because I
Speaker 1: found out they were. He doesn't have an agent, so
Speaker 1: I think that adds some complexity because of an agent
Speaker 1: can make Deshaun Watson and Deshaun Watson's financial demands which
Speaker 1: were out astronomical and unlike anything we'd ever seen in
Speaker 1: the NFL, feasible to one team. Certainly, maybe an agent
Speaker 1: could do that for Lamar Jackson, who comes within zero
Speaker 1: baggage and such a better I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: whole Lamar Jackson experience is different, but I think there is.
Speaker 1: If you look around the league, the idea that these teams,
Speaker 1: through various channels and reporters came out to say no
Speaker 1: interest or like at least right now, no interest, It
Speaker 1: just tells me that there is almost a I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's spoken, but there's a league wide concept of
Speaker 1: we're not going there with this contract guy after guy
Speaker 1: at this point, what team Because a team right now
Speaker 1: could say we're it's not that hard, We're gonna give
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson Deshaun Watson level deal and we know the
Speaker 1: Ravens don't want to do that, so he'd be ours
Speaker 1: or even structure in a way that the Ravens couldn't
Speaker 1: match or just made it uncomfortable. It has been spoken about, though.
Speaker 1: Steve Bashatti, who's the most important figure on the team
Speaker 1: side here in terms of Lamar Jackson, the owner of
Speaker 1: the Ravens, said that the contract for Deshaun Watson is
Speaker 1: quote going to make it harder to do business. That's
Speaker 1: what he said last winter. The NFLPA actually had a
Speaker 1: report a complaint essentially back in December warning about this
Speaker 1: exact scenario. Worried that the owners were going to come
Speaker 1: together and not allow that to happen. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: you brought up like the agent for Watson, because I
Speaker 1: do think that is part of the story. Watson. The
Speaker 1: thing I was so upset about beyond that he is
Speaker 1: a creep and everything he did off the field was
Speaker 1: I was upset with our industry because I felt like
Speaker 1: his agent, David Mullaghetta, had all these reporters under his thumb.
Speaker 1: A lot of hypocrisy there about. You know, reporting is
Speaker 1: supposed to be about just being fair and balanced, and
Speaker 1: that they were playing to the agent. They were playing
Speaker 1: to that relationship. Lamar doesn't have an agent, and I
Speaker 1: think he's an interesting figure because he's so different as
Speaker 1: a player. People don't, you know, sometimes teams the power
Speaker 1: structure doesn't know what to do with guys that are
Speaker 1: so different as a player. He's also different in this
Speaker 1: scenario either, except in this time the media and the agents,
Speaker 1: who to me are very much on the same team
Speaker 1: and they're working together. They don't, like I've heard on
Speaker 1: our air, essentially people caping for the agent industry and
Speaker 1: saying this is why you need an agent. So from
Speaker 1: a pr angle in terms of how we're like handling it.
Speaker 1: The messaging is where I guess Lamar Jackson loses out
Speaker 1: from having an agent because he has a bunch of
Speaker 1: reporters who it's in their best interest to make it
Speaker 1: like Lamar is really blowing it by not having an agent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and here's the thing there is you can make that case.
Speaker 1: Just because this was always going to be a very
Speaker 1: complex negotiation, I thought it always read a big red
Speaker 1: alarm for me when the reporting came out that the
Speaker 1: NFLPA is working with Lamar as well to try to
Speaker 1: get this done. So now you got the union involved
Speaker 1: directly with the player and the owners. Obviously, as long
Speaker 1: as there's been unions in a big ownership, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be loggerheads there. That that was a red flag to
Speaker 1: me that this could go in a different direction, and
Speaker 1: that I think about the obviously kind of the root
Speaker 1: of a lot of this is the Deshaun Watson, as
Speaker 1: we're saying, the trade and then the fully guaranteed contract,
Speaker 1: and that to me is becoming like the exon Valdi's
Speaker 1: spill of the NFL where what had happened. It was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a disaster. I can't believe
Speaker 1: this happened. How is this allowed to happen? And then
Speaker 1: as time passed, you thought you kind of move forward,
Speaker 1: but no, it hangs around. It just it's this black
Speaker 1: slick all around the league. And you got the birds
Speaker 1: that are covered and you're watching them in the sink.
Speaker 1: That's a sad thing to see, Mark. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this now because and this is do
Speaker 1: not take this as me being pro ownership or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Everyone at the time said, wow, I can't
Speaker 1: believe Watson got that money, especially considering his past obviously
Speaker 1: and what he had done or what he was suspended for.
Speaker 1: Do NFL owners and teams because one team, the Browns,
Speaker 1: who have had a suspect pass let's face it, since
Speaker 1: they came back in the league in general, with ownership
Speaker 1: at times, made that decision to give the fully guaranteed money.
Speaker 1: Does that mean all other ownerships now have to do
Speaker 1: that with premier quarterbacks and if they don't, if they're
Speaker 1: not on board with that, does that automatically make a collusion?
Speaker 1: Like well, so that's the dirty word I speak about it. Yes,
Speaker 1: which was a formal memo actually that the NFLPA sent
Speaker 1: to the NFL just to give the background that they
Speaker 1: were colluding to refrain from offering fully guaranteed contracts. That
Speaker 1: was back in October. It was reported by Kaylin Kayler
Speaker 1: or the Athletic Yeah, And I think the thing is like,
Speaker 1: are you going to win that battle? Ultimately five years
Speaker 1: from now, is this going to be It will be
Speaker 1: a moment in time and then probably we're going to
Speaker 1: have to deal with quarterback contracts that way because the
Speaker 1: president has been set. But I think there is a
Speaker 1: clear I'm not saying it's like necessarily they're on a
Speaker 1: text message thread together. It's not that, but there is
Speaker 1: a clear pushback to just open the floodgate. I think
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of a Lamar esque element
Speaker 1: to it, Like we all see that Lamar Jackson. He's
Speaker 1: an MVP level player. His you know, injuries, durability has
Speaker 1: been a problem the last two years. But there's a law,
Speaker 1: like a Lamar side to where the type of quarterback
Speaker 1: he is, his durability the last two seasons, do you
Speaker 1: just hand him that money? Like if it were Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow vying for this contract, I just think there'd be
Speaker 1: if he were out there and it was Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: or it was just is a little bit easier just
Speaker 1: to basically look at and say, I can project Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow for the next ten years, what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: Maybe someone would line up here and say I'll do
Speaker 1: that deal. Well, it's an interesting case point because Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow's going to be looking for a new contract this
Speaker 1: of Jameson Herbert, but he's so far away from free agency.
Speaker 1: He's also working for the Bengals, and it's just hard
Speaker 1: to imagine the Bengals being the team to do this.
Speaker 1: And in theory Lamar Jackson, the closer and closer he
Speaker 1: gets to free agency, I've heard that he's lost his leverage,
Speaker 1: that he should have held out two years ago and
Speaker 1: now he's kind of stuck in the situation. And I
Speaker 1: get that. But the closer he gets a free agency,
Speaker 1: the closer he is to be in Kirk Cousins. Now,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins was actually the last quarterback to get the
Speaker 1: non exclusive tag when he was in Washington, and he
Speaker 1: was the last quarterback to get to free agency at
Speaker 1: this sort of middle of his career. And what did
Speaker 1: he get. He got a fully guaranteed contract. This has
Speaker 1: happened before, which at the time was setting records, and
Speaker 1: people are saying, well, the Watsons thinks so much bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just contracts in generals are bigger. And obviously Jackson
Speaker 1: is at that level. So if he wants to play
Speaker 1: it out and he actually could get to free agency,
Speaker 1: I guess I would have a hard time believing that
Speaker 1: he's not going to get a great deal. And I
Speaker 1: do think the stances teams are taking now is not
Speaker 1: necessarily the stands. First of all, teams that we haven't
Speaker 1: heard about are taking behind the scenes, but also what
Speaker 1: they could take in April or especially post draft. I
Speaker 1: think the draft in people liking this draft class is
Speaker 1: a big X factor here, and if Lamar doesn't sign
Speaker 1: that offer, sheet thinks could change a little bit after
Speaker 1: the draft, and even the teams and everybody because it's
Speaker 1: it's for football fans. It's juicy, it's a soap opera
Speaker 1: kind of here. So when Atlanta, Miami, Carolina, Washington, and
Speaker 1: through various reports come out as ow they're not that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean they're not interested. That to be fair,
Speaker 1: No national for the most party, this was not national
Speaker 1: reporters who are usually the word on these things. This
Speaker 1: was like one reporter per team. The Falcons actually were
Speaker 1: one NFL work we reported that was so widely reported
Speaker 1: and so definitive that I believe it because the others
Speaker 1: were like not expected to how it looks right now,
Speaker 1: They're not expected this or that, And it was like
Speaker 1: one reporter, the Falcons came out pretty hard. I was like,
Speaker 1: dang man minutes, sorry to interrupt. The Falcons took over
Speaker 1: like Twitter for ten minutes, where it's like this is
Speaker 1: the land, okay, So that one I'm like, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: buy it. I just yeah. That's where on the other
Speaker 1: side of it, where it's like something doesn't smell right here,
Speaker 1: is like why would these teams have that type of
Speaker 1: outlook where they were not even looking to negotiate when
Speaker 1: just because it's out there, and by the way, it
Speaker 1: was refuted directly to Stephen A. Smith, he might remember
Speaker 1: a week ago that he was even looking for a full,
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contract, Like why would that keep you from
Speaker 1: at least having conversations with him making a contract offer,
Speaker 1: which is let's say somewhere between like you know, Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray's deal or Daniel Jones's new deal, which we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to and give him an offer. Like That's where
Speaker 1: it was a little bit to me, like wait, teams
Speaker 1: are just saying we're out, Like we're just we're not
Speaker 1: even going to have a conversation Frank Reich a week
Speaker 1: ago at the Combine, you know, he's looking for a
Speaker 1: quarterback in Carolina and they're certainly in good position to
Speaker 1: draft one or trade up and draft the guy they want.
Speaker 1: But that he basically said, no stone unturned. We're looked
Speaker 1: through at every avenue. But so suddenly, and I know
Speaker 1: that it's it's not you know, the team saying this,
Speaker 1: but the no Panthers situation came a little quick. It's
Speaker 1: like why at this point I think, I think is
Speaker 1: the one little missing part with an agent is like
Speaker 1: you're right, Greg, like we don't know exactly what Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson's asking for, and whatever he's asking for today or
Speaker 1: what he wanted a week ago or a month ago
Speaker 1: can shift and change, and suddenly you can bring these
Speaker 1: nose back into the pool and you can bring these
Speaker 1: other teams like if the Aaron Rodgers thing with the
Speaker 1: Jets goes south, the Jets are heat seeking an answer.
Speaker 1: They shouldn't be saying no unless there's something out there
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere that says, do you want to be
Speaker 1: the next Haslem contingent that hands this type of deal
Speaker 1: to someone and draws the ire of every other owner,
Speaker 1: just ruining every thing again, you know, one year later.
Speaker 1: The the one thing, here's the thing that though like
Speaker 1: teams are going to broadcast this either and even if
Speaker 1: they're saying they're out, like the teams that were in
Speaker 1: on Stafford, we didn't know until the last minute. H
Speaker 1: the team like Carson Wentz had a market a year ago,
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan had a market, and most of these had
Speaker 1: very little breadcrumbs before they happened from the insiders. You know,
Speaker 1: as as great work as the insiders do, the big stories,
Speaker 1: this big haven't dropped until the last sea. Of course,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are gonna put it out there that they're
Speaker 1: not going to be going into quarterbacks. They were. They
Speaker 1: were saying the same thing about Tom Brady a year ago,
Speaker 1: and it took them essentially getting suspended and losing a
Speaker 1: first round pick to find out what the truth was. Like,
Speaker 1: they're serving piles of you know, you know what, and
Speaker 1: they could call it their side of the story to reporters.
Speaker 1: And in this case, and I think you're seeing how
Speaker 1: the reporting game goes. Like usually the eight, you know,
Speaker 1: presenting one side to their porters and the team's presenting
Speaker 1: the other side. And here it's just like all the
Speaker 1: reporters are basically just going from the team side and
Speaker 1: in a vacuum of information when it comes to a a
Speaker 1: little I wonder at the end of the day of
Speaker 1: Lamar and his family realized what they were really going
Speaker 1: up against before they went into this negotiation, like and
Speaker 1: how because obviously for him more though it makes me
Speaker 1: want to like the precedent obviously was potentially set with Watson,
Speaker 1: and if Lamar got or gets what he wants, what
Speaker 1: do you think's gonna happen with Herbert and Burrow and
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. So he becomes like this guy, Like was
Speaker 1: the Browns thing a standalone situation that the league moved
Speaker 1: on from or is this the deal that then cements
Speaker 1: this is the new reality? I think it would be
Speaker 1: a tipping point because why would you take less if
Speaker 1: you're Joe Burn That's why it is odious. There is
Speaker 1: something to it, Yeah, as odious as the Shaun Watson,
Speaker 1: the whole the saga was like that agent did his job,
Speaker 1: like he manipulated the media. He got him a fully
Speaker 1: guaranteed deal. Like maybe it would have helped to have
Speaker 1: somebody that was on his side that could read this
Speaker 1: situation because it was soul multi layered. But you know what,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I say all that
Speaker 1: he's gonna be fine, Like it's not like these people
Speaker 1: are talking, Oh, this is collusion. Look look at MLB
Speaker 1: in the eighties. That was hardcore stuff. Go read the
Speaker 1: Wikipedia on that. Daniel Jones just got a four year,
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty million dollars contract. Gino Smith got
Speaker 1: what one hundred million or whatever it was. These guys
Speaker 1: earned their pay days and because their quarterbacks, it seems inflated.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, Lamar will get paid
Speaker 1: a huge amount of money, right, huge astronomical amount of money,
Speaker 1: guaranteed money too. It might just not be what the
Speaker 1: initial goal was. He certainly doesn't need he I would
Speaker 1: expect him to, you know, do a hold in if
Speaker 1: if if the tag thing is all that sits out there,
Speaker 1: you see that relationship feels kind of over to me.
Speaker 1: But but even in another world. I think it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be if after July fifteenth you can regotiate a new
Speaker 1: deal with Lamar, and it could be it could be
Speaker 1: closer to this, like forty five million a year forty
Speaker 1: six where it's like, maybe not entirely all guaranteed, but
Speaker 1: you get closer. It's so different than the Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: situation though, because that didn't feel contentious so much as
Speaker 1: concious in Washington while he was still there it was
Speaker 1: multiple franchise actually almost felt uglier in a way that
Speaker 1: just because he was upset with the situation and eventually
Speaker 1: he got to go that The one thing, and I
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying about how the owners could
Speaker 1: be looking at it, whether they're talking about it or not.
Speaker 1: One boring thing that I didn't really know much about
Speaker 1: and we've heard more about it is this whole escrow idea,
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's very boring, But the NFL requires
Speaker 1: NFL teams to have all the cash of any guaranteed
Speaker 1: guaranteed part of the contract that they give out in
Speaker 1: escrow while that contract is happening. So as I understand it,
Speaker 1: and someone explained it, because I don't know what, the
Speaker 1: it's all falling apart it twice. If you if you
Speaker 1: give Kirk Cousins his three years ninety million or whatever,
Speaker 1: it was totally guaranteed three years ago, the owner of
Speaker 1: the Vikings has to have that ninety million dollars in
Speaker 1: cash sitting there, even if he's not spending it at
Speaker 1: that moment. You have to have actual proof that, like,
Speaker 1: we have enough money at this time to spend it.
Speaker 1: And you would think, oh, well, they're these guys are
Speaker 1: billionaire owners, Like, no way. There's a huge difference between
Speaker 1: how much cash some of these owners have and how
Speaker 1: much cash some other owners have. And I've heard the
Speaker 1: Raiders brought up as an example, for instance, that there
Speaker 1: was there's no earthly way Mark Davis could give that
Speaker 1: contract to Lamar Jackson just doesn't have the cash. Or
Speaker 1: Mike Brown or the Chargers or the Giants probably like
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of teams that just couldn't
Speaker 1: have that pile of cash sitting around. And there are
Speaker 1: a lot of teams like Jimmy Haslam who just like
Speaker 1: bought a portion of some other sports team. What did
Speaker 1: he just buy the Milwaukee Bucks. He's just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go buy a quarter of the Milwaukee Bucks
Speaker 1: for seven hundred million dollars. He's got that cash city around,
Speaker 1: and so that creates scenario other sports have had where
Speaker 1: it's like, really, the rich owners can have an advantage
Speaker 1: over the other ones. And I think that's partly what
Speaker 1: some of them are afraid of or just simply can't
Speaker 1: dolls the salary camp um before, we're going to get
Speaker 1: back to Lamar talking about some destinations that we like.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll pitch some teams we like them. Do these
Speaker 1: actual teams like them? That's I don't know, It's see,
Speaker 1: it's the crux of the whole thing. Again. I thought
Speaker 1: that we're gonna look into that during the break. I'm
Speaker 1: also gonna share with you I did a little digging.
Speaker 1: July seventeen of twenty seventeen, Cousins signed his second franchise
Speaker 1: tag the then you know, our Skins did release a
Speaker 1: um statement expressing disappointment, and then this is just a
Speaker 1: funny little note. Team president of Bruce Allen said in
Speaker 1: his statement, the Cousins was obviously important to our team
Speaker 1: and fans, and detailed the team's offer made to the quarterback.
Speaker 1: He also talked about the decision and a video posted
Speaker 1: on the team's website, but referred to Cousins on five
Speaker 1: occasions as Kurt instead of that's pretty good. That's pretty good,
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen. Let's uh take a break and we'll hit
Speaker 1: the rest of the news. Busy, busy, busy. All right,
Speaker 1: we're back. I got some developing news right here, Um,
Speaker 1: Dan rather a little different though similar. All right, listen
Speaker 1: to this boom. I'm an honest question for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mister integrity over there, integrity had just proper pronunciation drummed up. Um,
Speaker 1: I totally own the fact that, like, there is no
Speaker 1: excuse for me to U pronounce the name of that
Speaker 1: tank rink correctly, and I did, and I will I'll
Speaker 1: think about that. But had I, out of thin air,
Speaker 1: had the correct pronunciation, would we have just gone through
Speaker 1: all the bells and whistles to um senior Fallacier. We
Speaker 1: move right on into Daniel Jones and Richeals was the
Speaker 1: developing news? How about it? How about honest just so yes,
Speaker 1: or how about you don't hit out? Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's im I'm investigating the scenario wrong. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: it right. Well, we understand where you're coming from with that,
Speaker 1: I said before the break, I was going to check
Speaker 1: on it. So I had set it up with the audience.
Speaker 1: I had to pay it off. That's what the host does.
Speaker 1: And then I paid it off, and I would have
Speaker 1: taken the tank gets a fair question on my part
Speaker 1: to ask if we would have gone to such lengths
Speaker 1: to inform the audience. I said what I said, Greig,
Speaker 1: we're like Valdi's nuts. All right, let's see some news.
Speaker 1: It's best for anybody who has an interest in us
Speaker 1: to make a decision sooner rather than later. You know,
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when far before he retired. You know,
Speaker 1: there were times where it was in April and May
Speaker 1: and he's still you know, we weren't sure if he
Speaker 1: was going to come back because he didn't come to
Speaker 1: any offseason program. And then in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 1: he actually did retire in March and then kind of
Speaker 1: said no, no no, no, actually in June after OTAs, I
Speaker 1: actually want to come back and play. And then that's
Speaker 1: when you know I've been traded to the Jets. And
Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot of tension that summer, but for
Speaker 1: for everybody involved directly and indirectly, it's best for a
Speaker 1: decision earlier. That's, of course. Aaron Rodgers from his mythic
Speaker 1: appearance on the Aubrey Marcus podcast. The way that nearly
Speaker 1: put me to sleep, Just the way he speaks a
Speaker 1: little bit, it's very sleepy. Those are two best friends,
Speaker 1: just chopping it up late at night. Yeah, late night chatting. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what Aaron Rodgers said last week. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to draw this thing out. And I think that would
Speaker 1: be great if that's how it plays out, because right
Speaker 1: now the Jets and Aaron Rodgers are in communication. Last
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, it was reported that the Packers had given
Speaker 1: the Jet permission to speak with their long time quarterback.
Speaker 1: And then the Jets got on a private jet and
Speaker 1: met with Rogers in California. And we don't know where
Speaker 1: things are right now. That's where we're at, but this
Speaker 1: is this is the situation. Now, the Jets are not
Speaker 1: going to have Derek Carr and their team. The Jets
Speaker 1: obviously need an upgraded quarterback, and now they're speaking with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And all I could say is get it done.
Speaker 1: You cannot get into the red zone here and not
Speaker 1: put this across the goal line. Fingers cross for everyone
Speaker 1: that follows Gang green Well that assumes everyone wants Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Is that the case? I think, well, smart jetsman, I
Speaker 1: think it is you want Aaron Rodgers? Do you want
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers even with all the baggage? Or do you
Speaker 1: want Jimmy Garoppolo? Right? I mean, let's be honest about it,
Speaker 1: like Jamis Winston, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill, like who do
Speaker 1: you want? Do you want to win a super Bowl? Like?
Speaker 1: Are we we're a half century deep into this weight
Speaker 1: for our next super Bowl visit? Do you want to
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl? Because I am not. I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm over shooting the moon here when I say
Speaker 1: if they have Aaron Rodgers and he has a better
Speaker 1: year than last year, of course this could be a
Speaker 1: super Bowl contender. I think those are the stakes right now.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think they'd be, you know, no
Speaker 1: higher than fifth or sixth in my list of like
Speaker 1: likely teams, but they would have in the AFC, but
Speaker 1: they would have a shot. I believed when Woody Johnson
Speaker 1: got on a plane, as the reporting shows, goes out
Speaker 1: to California with a big contingent, that more likely than
Speaker 1: not Aaron Rodgers will be a Jet and you you
Speaker 1: were already you know, being cautious with your optimism, worried
Speaker 1: about Lucy, you know, taking the football away from you
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan. And I and I get that,
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers isn't is also a cruel vixen sometimes
Speaker 1: an unpredictable guy say, and it's totally up to him.
Speaker 1: But to get this far, it just feels like, well,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wouldn't take the meeting unless he was, you know,
Speaker 1: willing to go to the Jets. He knows the Packers
Speaker 1: don't want him. On some level, we know his head
Speaker 1: is not in the sand in terms of news reports.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly what Bob McGinn reported. He knows they're
Speaker 1: letting him talk to the Jets. He wants to be wanted.
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine him going back to the pack
Speaker 1: at this point once you've already taken this step. We've
Speaker 1: heard it thrown back out there that retirement is really
Speaker 1: an option here, that he's still not giving up. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I don't know what's in
Speaker 1: his heart, but I don't see other teams making this
Speaker 1: trip either. It just feels like this is probably gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and he might make you sweat it out a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I think he will do that. But I think
Speaker 1: if you're a Jets fan, you aren't trying to compete
Speaker 1: against three other franchises that have just as much to offer,
Speaker 1: and the Jets actually in this matters Daron Rodgers because
Speaker 1: I think if you're Aaron Rodgers, if you are constantly
Speaker 1: thinking about your life, your consciousness, your legacy, who you
Speaker 1: are as a football player. Talked about gaining new appreciation
Speaker 1: for the fact that he is the one thing about
Speaker 1: the Jets and applied to the Browns back when Odell
Speaker 1: Becka went there and all this other stuff. If you
Speaker 1: turn the Jets into a winner, if you took them
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl, if you want a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter about anything else. Ever, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: become complete and total legend and he's completely won. And
Speaker 1: I just think if you're in New York, to your
Speaker 1: point with the red Zone, Dan, if you're going to
Speaker 1: fly out there on the plane, if you're going to
Speaker 1: take him out to dinner, do all that business, there's
Speaker 1: no one else competing for him. You've got to seal
Speaker 1: the deal, and like, I kind of wish that the
Speaker 1: like while they were out there, everyone just agreed to
Speaker 1: it and you fly home. I don't like any situation
Speaker 1: when you fly to meet someone and then you fly
Speaker 1: back home and you sort of just have them sitting
Speaker 1: there waiting. But you know what, they're the only team
Speaker 1: in the race right now. I think the Packers are
Speaker 1: in the deep rear view mirror at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, because we were talking about before
Speaker 1: the show, Greggy, it's like the Jets kind of need
Speaker 1: this decision in advance of free agency, when other players
Speaker 1: hit the market, when other teams have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: engage in trade talks, when this Lamar Jackson situation is unfolding,
Speaker 1: and it becomes a situation where they can't just sit
Speaker 1: here and then be left like without a chair, Like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to work with them one way or
Speaker 1: the other. And what makes me nervous is that Rogers
Speaker 1: is an unpredictable person and Woody Johnson and the Jets historically,
Speaker 1: although they did get Bread Farve once upon a time
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, this week, yes, do I trust? Do
Speaker 1: I trust this to go off without a hitch. No,
Speaker 1: it seems like I'm still a pretty wide open situation.
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a fly on the wall
Speaker 1: just to know how these conversations go. But it makes
Speaker 1: too much sense. I've been saying this for almost two
Speaker 1: months now. This always made so much sense for the Jets,
Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense for Rogers as well now.
Speaker 1: And we talked to I was on Rachel's show yesterday, like,
Speaker 1: this is where he is at in his career now.
Speaker 1: If the Packers are looking to move on, like, go
Speaker 1: to a team that has a chance to win where
Speaker 1: you could cement your legacy in a different way. If
Speaker 1: you have the passion, this is a great setup where
Speaker 1: you could be a legend in the New York market.
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd also you know, who knows where Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers was mentally a year ago. But like, if you're
Speaker 1: going to go take this money from the Jets, this
Speaker 1: is not year forty six with the Packers, I think
Speaker 1: you need to be like, you need to get a
Speaker 1: guy who is absolutely all in on the entire from
Speaker 1: here on offseason on to work with new players to
Speaker 1: make it is anti Aaron Rodgers, as we've felt about
Speaker 1: him the last couple off seasons, Like, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: had your time away, your retreat, your X and Y
Speaker 1: and Z. Now if you're going to join the Jets,
Speaker 1: like give them everything that you're worth, right, I think
Speaker 1: the love of the game is real. You don't you
Speaker 1: don't go through this, you don't become Aaron Rodgers if
Speaker 1: it's not deep, if it's not profound. I think there's
Speaker 1: this idea that he's, you know, little leftist center and
Speaker 1: you like, this guy loves ball. Now, he loved having
Speaker 1: a situation last year where he didn't have to be
Speaker 1: there the whole off season, and I think the Packers
Speaker 1: didn't love that. So I'm with you. I think that
Speaker 1: would have to change. But that was one of my
Speaker 1: takeaways listening to that podcast was how much I think
Speaker 1: the love of the game and eat like that win
Speaker 1: over the Cowboys alone, Like it sounded like it was
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable moments of his entire career.
Speaker 1: And I could see that even on the fans are like, well,
Speaker 1: the only one one, it cames in the end, But
Speaker 1: to him, this is his life and that was just
Speaker 1: like a moment. And I think going to a newer
Speaker 1: place and we saw it with Tom Brady. We saw
Speaker 1: it with Peyton Manning when we thought he was kind
Speaker 1: of done after Indianapolis, these greats. I think it's just
Speaker 1: human nature. You can get reinvigorated being in a new situation.
Speaker 1: And I think he's looking for a new man. Dan
Speaker 1: like it may ultimately come out when the autobiography of
Speaker 1: Jets winning quarterback Aaron Rodgers hits the shelves, that maybe
Speaker 1: it was this much maligned darkness retreat that inside of
Speaker 1: his heart, his soul, his mind turned the Jets into
Speaker 1: a tangible concept for him, versus just floating around up
Speaker 1: and down the avenues of Green Bay, where going to
Speaker 1: the Jets would sound like a nightmare. Maybe this didn't.
Speaker 1: It's it's like, what am I? God, I already know
Speaker 1: the way to the stadium. You take a left on
Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren Way and a right on McCarthy Avenue, And
Speaker 1: I see, I saw this tweet from your old place
Speaker 1: of work, Greg Pro football Talk, Aaron Rodgerson will be
Speaker 1: all smiles and they'll say all the right things if
Speaker 1: the Jets trade for Rogers. How long until the first
Speaker 1: story citing unnamed source that Rogers hates Wilson and or
Speaker 1: Wilson hates Rodgers, you know, miss me with all that
Speaker 1: trash people want to bring storm clouds in all the
Speaker 1: time with this team, Just let's see how it all
Speaker 1: plays out instead of trying to manifest misery for an
Speaker 1: organization that's had more than it's fair. Sharon Rodgers is
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's hero. And it is kind of hilarious to
Speaker 1: me that, like, Zach Wilson isn't even mentioned in any
Speaker 1: of this, and he shouldn't be. But it is weird
Speaker 1: that it's like a number two overall draft pick that's
Speaker 1: in his third season and no one's even considering him
Speaker 1: as an option, including if they don't get Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: No one's considering him as I think if they got
Speaker 1: there at Card, he might not have been on the team.
Speaker 1: Rogers Actually makes sense to me that it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can just chill, I can learn the position if
Speaker 1: I'm ever going to develop, Actually, this maybe gives me
Speaker 1: a better chance. One last thing is, uh, you know
Speaker 1: that Woody Johnson. Maybe you know he's he's been up
Speaker 1: and down, mostly down, but he didn't always have the
Speaker 1: closer Nathaniel Hackett on him. That is true Nathaniel Hackett
Speaker 1: if he does nothing else, if he because remembers then
Speaker 1: the Broncos a year ago, I thought when they always
Speaker 1: when they went after Nathaniel Hackett, that was when we
Speaker 1: were going Aaron Rodgers to Denver, like that would decrease
Speaker 1: the skids And it didn't happen. But a year later,
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett all roses. You know what I would love
Speaker 1: if the trade happened and then they have the big
Speaker 1: press conference. First of all, I'd want Hackett to do
Speaker 1: similar to what he did with Russell Wilson at the
Speaker 1: press conference. Come on, y'all, Russell Wilson, holy just replace
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Also, if he is the one that gets
Speaker 1: this done, I want him entering the press conference, Hackett
Speaker 1: to enter Sandman by Metallic to you just build a
Speaker 1: statue of him outside. No no no, no, and he just
Speaker 1: comes in like a rock star, dressed like Dean Blandino,
Speaker 1: ready for a night out. Oh my god. Are more
Speaker 1: valuable to the Jets than he was? Then he's got
Speaker 1: to actually coordinate the offense. That's the problem part. Do
Speaker 1: you think the Packers have the Jets over the barrel
Speaker 1: a little bit? In terms of trade talks though, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know you send you the owner there, you know
Speaker 1: that they don't really have an option b I'm they do.
Speaker 1: I think they want to go with Jordan Love you
Speaker 1: mean in terms of another trade with leverage and like
Speaker 1: who can they pivot and say, well, if you don't
Speaker 1: give us this, we're gonna go to I think it's
Speaker 1: just something where you kind of know you're going to
Speaker 1: get a deal done. But I think the Packers start
Speaker 1: out with a little extra edge here, and it's it's
Speaker 1: weird because the contracts so big. I have a hard
Speaker 1: time figuring out what Aaron Rodgers's value is because he's
Speaker 1: obviously better than Russell Wilson. But you're not gonna get
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson package at this point. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that. Is there any reality where the
Speaker 1: Jets get out of this with Rogers and their first
Speaker 1: round pick? How can you Brian Goodencoston in trade Rogers
Speaker 1: without a first round pick being involved? Right? I just
Speaker 1: think part of it is part of story putting a
Speaker 1: seventeen percent chance, But I think I think there's a
Speaker 1: chance to like, we're surprised sometimes by the way these
Speaker 1: trades because of the money. The money. Yeah, because of
Speaker 1: the money. It might be like a first and a
Speaker 1: fourth or which might be next years though sure fourth
Speaker 1: and this year's third, you know, like and he has
Speaker 1: to work with them because he has to say, well,
Speaker 1: I also want to go here, and then they could
Speaker 1: play those two teams off each other. It's it's why
Speaker 1: it's messy, because sometimes you compare one situation to another,
Speaker 1: like Lamar to Watson, it's not it isn't the same exactly.
Speaker 1: And like you can't compare Rodgers to Stafford, for instance,
Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson. I actually think, you know, the Jets
Speaker 1: won't have to give up as much as those teams
Speaker 1: gave up to get Roger. Um. All right, let's stay
Speaker 1: in northern New Jersey and talk about the John Alliance.
Speaker 1: Who human they make a huge splash on Tuesday. Tuesday, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, was the birthday of Justin Graver, our producer.
Speaker 1: That's true, Happy birthday, Justin. Thanks. How old did you
Speaker 1: turn yesterday? I turned thirty one years young. You know,
Speaker 1: people don't really talk about thirty one. Thirty one just
Speaker 1: sneaks under the radar. It would be a big year
Speaker 1: for you, but well it comes after a massive landmark
Speaker 1: the thirties, who started they start to get lost a
Speaker 1: little lost there it is what do you do for
Speaker 1: your birthday? Jessica and I had a nice brunch and
Speaker 1: then we had a nice day together inside watching some
Speaker 1: Oscar Contender movies. So we're ready for this weekend. So cute.
Speaker 1: And she got me a nice few gifts, very nice dinner,
Speaker 1: nice dessert. It was great. Were there any um if
Speaker 1: you could see marks the look in his eyes thinking
Speaker 1: about the birthday evening, you wouldn't. I think it sounds
Speaker 1: like you had a great time, and I'm not for you.
Speaker 1: Were there any moments? And I know it must have
Speaker 1: been uncomfortable, but like where you were a part? And
Speaker 1: did you FaceTime during those like when you were in
Speaker 1: the bathroom for instance? Uh? No, there was no facetiming yesterday.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of texting with you guys. At
Speaker 1: one point Jessica was like, you have to be on
Speaker 1: your phone so much. It's your birthday and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really busy. We're trying to plan all this
Speaker 1: free agency and adults. How about it? How about the
Speaker 1: gift from us to you? No emergency podcast? Yesterday? That was.
Speaker 1: That was tremendous. And you know what, I also have
Speaker 1: to thank a quote unquote anonymous person for contributing to
Speaker 1: our dinner fund last night, which I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: know who it is, but I know and thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Is this somebody in the studio? Yes, I
Speaker 1: think I know who it is. I think I think
Speaker 1: I know exactly what it is. If I had to
Speaker 1: choose between the two, both very upstanding gentlemen. But uh,
Speaker 1: because this person wants me to say who it is,
Speaker 1: but should I because I know it's from the playbook,
Speaker 1: because this person has done the same for me in
Speaker 1: the past for different things. I see, Yes, it was
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. I'm not confirming or to nine. A very
Speaker 1: generous man, Mark Sessler, thank you well. It was that
Speaker 1: makeup for the Valdi's thing. Gave you that, not even
Speaker 1: the least because my intention was for it to not
Speaker 1: be spoken about. But I'm happy that you enjoyed your evening.
Speaker 1: Justin thank you. Until Dan gets involved, all right, let's
Speaker 1: see Daniel Jones. Two part are here. So they do
Speaker 1: come to terms on a long term deal. It's sign
Speaker 1: he signs a four year, one hundred and sixty million
Speaker 1: dollar contract that includes reportedly thirty five million and incentives.
Speaker 1: How much is it virtually guaranteed, Greggy eighty two? I
Speaker 1: think in the first two years, and then you get
Speaker 1: twelve into the third year as well. How about this,
Speaker 1: how about looking at Tuesday as a bad day for
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, maybe a great one, because I think he
Speaker 1: will get more than Daniel Jones from somebody, and that
Speaker 1: will make him very happy, I believe, to look at it,
Speaker 1: that's just another way to look at it. And in
Speaker 1: of course hope so though and he might less this year,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he's aiming a Lot're gonna get to
Speaker 1: the Lamar. Somebody's going to offer him a big contract, right,
Speaker 1: Somebody get out him something here. I mean, even if
Speaker 1: it's not fully guaranteed, be not a showmanship yesterday amongst
Speaker 1: his team. Someone's great. So the Ravens, depending on what
Speaker 1: reports you believe, have offered a minimum of one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty three guaranteed, which is, you know, considerably less
Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray, but is considerably more than Daniel Jones already.
Speaker 1: Um So, because they were able to get a deal
Speaker 1: with Jones, they didn't have to use the franchise tag,
Speaker 1: which allowed them then to use that on se Quon Barkley,
Speaker 1: who now will most likely stick around. You keep the
Speaker 1: nucleus together, the two most important players on that offense,
Speaker 1: and then it's up to Joe Shane and Brian Dable
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler to build up the offense around them, and
Speaker 1: we shall see so much. Obviously, this is all built
Speaker 1: around the idea that Jones goes from what he was
Speaker 1: last year, which was a functional to good starter to
Speaker 1: great quarterback, franchise quarterback. It's a gamble, but also there's
Speaker 1: a lot of money out there for a quarterback. It's
Speaker 1: a lot for Daniel Jones based on really one year
Speaker 1: where he looked like a complete changemaker. To me, I mean,
Speaker 1: if suddenly they put Jason Garrett back at his co
Speaker 1: head coach, I'd hate this deal. But it's full trust
Speaker 1: for me and Brian Dable what he did last year
Speaker 1: and having the ability to continue to do that with
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones as really kind of a guy who's becoming
Speaker 1: a top five, top seven offensive play caller and quarterback developer.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think that day Ball can keep
Speaker 1: that going there, you are I mean, this is starting
Speaker 1: to become the price of quarterbacks in general. But this
Speaker 1: was a bit of a head turner that Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: initially started to ask for way more than they thought
Speaker 1: originally at that one point, and then he got it.
Speaker 1: How about Lamar hires the agent that Danny Dimes hired
Speaker 1: last week after firing the other guy. There you go
Speaker 1: the contract, which didn't come out until this morning. So
Speaker 1: that's a plus beyond helping Graver's love life of not
Speaker 1: podcasting yesterday is we have the details, and even there's
Speaker 1: an update since the last since I last read it
Speaker 1: on PFT, they had an error. There is not twelve
Speaker 1: million guaranteed for twenty twenty five until twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: which means in all practicality, it's a two year, eighty
Speaker 1: two million dollar contract and it's fully guaranteed, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: So everyone's complaining about, you know, guaranteed. He got fully
Speaker 1: guaranteed two years at forty plus million a year, which
Speaker 1: is a lot, but then they can get out. It
Speaker 1: reminds me almost exactly of the Kirk Cousins contract that
Speaker 1: he keeps resigning over and over because it puts the
Speaker 1: Giants in a difficult position to have to make a
Speaker 1: decision on Daniel Jones almost every year because his cap
Speaker 1: hit as you extend this thing out, they got a
Speaker 1: phony baloney twenty twenty six year in there starts getting
Speaker 1: crazy and they're gonna have to keep renegotiating it. And
Speaker 1: at that point you almost have to decide, Okay, do
Speaker 1: we add another year of guarantees. That's a long way
Speaker 1: of saying it's a two year deal. But he still
Speaker 1: holds a lot of cards because they're gonna want to
Speaker 1: go back to the table and renegotiate it pretty soon,
Speaker 1: maybe as soon as next offseason, and certainly after two
Speaker 1: of these four years, he does hold the cards. But
Speaker 1: specifically with Daniel Jones, I don't hate this because we
Speaker 1: don't really know what Daniel Jones will be two years
Speaker 1: from now. Now there's the kind of thread of the needs.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even hate this for Lamar Jackson if Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson were coming from a different angle, like heavily guaranteed
Speaker 1: two years, find out where we are after that, verses
Speaker 1: four years, five years. If thet thin for Lamar would
Speaker 1: be like two years ninety million plus and then you
Speaker 1: get some guaranteed into the third year. Earth oh, or
Speaker 1: he's so far below other quarterbacks who have been at
Speaker 1: that level. Daniel Jones what had the fewest amount of
Speaker 1: big time throws in the NFL last year. Daniel Jones's
Speaker 1: numbers have been terrible. And I've always been on the
Speaker 1: side of like, actually, Daniel Jones could be like a
Speaker 1: good to average starting quarterback, but this is it's a lot.
Speaker 1: I give a sense this is kind of like them.
Speaker 1: I just wonder how Brian Dable's feeling because he made
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones all this money. If there were if he
Speaker 1: had another coach last year, Daniel Jones is bye bye.
Speaker 1: Totally agree. Yeah, I saw somebody wrote like, if they
Speaker 1: if they kept Joe Judge around, Jones is probably signing
Speaker 1: like a one year, four million dollars deal to be
Speaker 1: a backup quarterbacks. It's a little, that's a little. It's
Speaker 1: within the outcomes. I mean said, he signs this this deal,
Speaker 1: and isn't it crazy? And how unusual the Giants and
Speaker 1: Jed I was texting with some Giants buddies yesterday. Such
Speaker 1: a funky kind of strained hard to put your finger
Speaker 1: on year. In general, for the Giants, who we know,
Speaker 1: the expectations were so low. You have this new head coach,
Speaker 1: You had a roster that didn't seem to have a
Speaker 1: lot of pieces, a former first round pick, a quarterback
Speaker 1: who had underwhelmed with a bad set up, a former
Speaker 1: number two overall pick running back who had lost his
Speaker 1: juice it had seemed, and then all these different things happened.
Speaker 1: They actually make the second round to the playoffs. And
Speaker 1: now these guys that Dave Gettleman drafted, the quarterback that
Speaker 1: Gettleman drafted, the running back that he took, they get
Speaker 1: new contracts. I know. It's a franchise tag right now
Speaker 1: for sequon from the next regime that took over a
Speaker 1: huge mess that almost never happens like that. You would
Speaker 1: have these key players from a failed regime and then
Speaker 1: build the next era of the franchise around them. It's
Speaker 1: been kind of interesting. Lawns might be next too. It's
Speaker 1: another Getleman guy. They're an interesting team because there it's
Speaker 1: unusual how this next phase of Giants football is unfolded
Speaker 1: different than how it usually works, which is new regime
Speaker 1: takes over and then builds the whole thing from the
Speaker 1: ground up, right but to the Jones contract and what
Speaker 1: you got going on the sequon that if this year
Speaker 1: went south, it's a you're not looking forward for half
Speaker 1: a decade. This is I think if you're Joe Shaney said, well, yes,
Speaker 1: of course, Like I would rather have picked up the
Speaker 1: fifth year option. They didn't assess him to be this player.
Speaker 1: He became it under day, but didn't they give him
Speaker 1: the tag. That's the thing. I think they're making the
Speaker 1: same mistakes that they made with Eli Manning. I think
Speaker 1: this contract could be very regrettable. I think still just
Speaker 1: two years though, I get it. But if if Janiel
Speaker 1: Jones plays around the same level but they don't get
Speaker 1: as many breaks and things aren't ready to really take
Speaker 1: that next step, and let's say they go six and
Speaker 1: eleven and Daniel Jones is the nineteenth quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league and you owe him forty two million dollars the
Speaker 1: next year, It's like, and it's not really the quarterback
Speaker 1: that dayboll wants and loves. I just think it's thorny
Speaker 1: when ownership gets involved, and you get the sense from
Speaker 1: reporting that the Maras love Dan Jones like a son,
Speaker 1: and they pushed them to treat him like this when
Speaker 1: the tag was sitting right there. I mean if the
Speaker 1: Ravens can give Lamar the tag or you can use
Speaker 1: the tech. Just give him the tag. He's the perfect
Speaker 1: candidate for the tech. Let's see if you can do
Speaker 1: it again and if you get better in this. This
Speaker 1: one was part of this conversation or who got him paid?
Speaker 1: But would you want sa Quon getting a long term
Speaker 1: lucrative deal when he turned down twelve million a year
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season. I think we'd be
Speaker 1: having we'd be critiquing the Barkley part of it if
Speaker 1: he didn't get frantishised and got a deal that depends
Speaker 1: on the guarantees we heard from Mike Garrett followed, I
Speaker 1: mean first quarterback that they're they've gone up to thirteen
Speaker 1: a year for Quon. If if that was like a two,
Speaker 1: I'd rather play sa Quan two for thirty and most
Speaker 1: of it's all of it's guaranteed and tag Jones. Then
Speaker 1: then committing this extra year to Jones and paying the
Speaker 1: extra money when you're see who you're coming from, Greg
Speaker 1: Is and why this is a again with everything else
Speaker 1: of the Giant. They're kind of an interesting team right
Speaker 1: now and unique in some ways, like you don't typically
Speaker 1: pay this kind of money and give out this type
Speaker 1: of contract on a projection of course like this is
Speaker 1: he has not proven he's worth this type of money yet,
Speaker 1: but they're so confident internally that he will be that
Speaker 1: guy that they're rolling the dice a little bit. I
Speaker 1: think it's dare betting on Dable as much as it
Speaker 1: is their guy. It's their in house guy. I put
Speaker 1: something into that. I put something in into ownership and
Speaker 1: the front office. And maybe day Ball is not so
Speaker 1: hot about it, but I think he probably swings a
Speaker 1: pretty big stick in there after what he did in
Speaker 1: his first year that they believe in him. So believe
Speaker 1: in your guys. They did, they showed it and they paid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is tricky because they weren't there guys to
Speaker 1: begin with. Right, It's weird, as you mentioned, And I
Speaker 1: think Dexter Lawrence is going to be the next guy
Speaker 1: who gets a long term deal and he makes sense
Speaker 1: as an elite interior defensive tackle. One thing it does
Speaker 1: do is it helps them spend more of their cap space.
Speaker 1: This year, Daniel Jones's cap number is way way lower.
Speaker 1: It's at nineteen million, uh than it would have been
Speaker 1: if you got a tag so that would have been
Speaker 1: at thirty one. So they have twelve million dollars more
Speaker 1: to spend and they need you. They got a lot
Speaker 1: of holes. Let's hear from Dimes, who spoke to the
Speaker 1: media on Wednesday. In a situation like this, you're uh,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do what's uh, what's best for
Speaker 1: you and your family while while also bouncing, you know,
Speaker 1: being part of a team and understanding the goals and
Speaker 1: the vision, uh that we have as a team and
Speaker 1: as an organization. And that was certainly important to me
Speaker 1: throughout the deal and and um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we found a way to to uh to do those
Speaker 1: things and to to do do it, uh do it the
Speaker 1: the right way for for both sides. So yeah, that
Speaker 1: was certainly important to me. Um. And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: se Quon you know, I've you know, I've said he
Speaker 1: means a ton to me as a as a teammate,
Speaker 1: as a friend, and means a ton to us as
Speaker 1: a as a player. So um, you know, certainly won't
Speaker 1: I won't talk about his business, but um, you know
Speaker 1: that was a piece of it. He's the perfect giant
Speaker 1: I know, Greggy forty two and forty six and all
Speaker 1: that but uh, like he's kind of the That's why
Speaker 1: the Mayers love him too. Like he's that guy that
Speaker 1: you could send him out there say nothing interesting, be
Speaker 1: a good organizational soldier and somebody that like Eli, you
Speaker 1: could just kind of plug him, and they see him
Speaker 1: as that type of this this figure yes of stability
Speaker 1: that they could build an organization. He's a guy you
Speaker 1: would want your daughter to date. How About someone who
Speaker 1: can make some more big plays in the in the
Speaker 1: passing game annoy the end. I know the Eagles were
Speaker 1: one thing, but you know he did light up some
Speaker 1: teams at the end of the season about him getting
Speaker 1: the standing ovation for the entire Giants crowd. I think
Speaker 1: you'd want your daughter to date that guy. He's also
Speaker 1: making forty million a year. He's considerably older than Greg's daughter.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I'm saying like they like him
Speaker 1: like you read there as boys. They like him like
Speaker 1: a son. And it's like, okay, uh, Daniel Jones, how
Speaker 1: about you not to be aggressively boring Like Pat Leonard
Speaker 1: was on our show, right, and he had that whole
Speaker 1: sum interview where he sat down. Okay, so they had
Speaker 1: to stay dinner and Daniel Jones told him, yes, what
Speaker 1: I like? He told him what I present publicly. I
Speaker 1: go out of my way to be as boring as possible.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, why, I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: that much like charisma and everything exciting. Everybody needs to,
Speaker 1: you know, command the spotlight. You don't party, boy, you
Speaker 1: don't have to commit, just be yourself. Why to be
Speaker 1: not being kind? I think he's boring, Like that's his
Speaker 1: strategy that he doesn't want to cover because he's self
Speaker 1: conscious about how boring is. So he's like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is all just an act to keep the media at bay.
Speaker 1: It was like, actually, I mean it worked for the
Speaker 1: most outside of I'm not getting that, Johnny, I've been
Speaker 1: I let the record show. I think I've been the
Speaker 1: biggest dime supporter on this podcast throughout his career. The shows.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, as a player, I've always thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a little underrated here, but now he's he's a
Speaker 1: little overrated. The man got paid, well, everybody gets paid,
Speaker 1: just like Gina Smith got paid. How about that, Greggy,
Speaker 1: I bet you're happy with that contract? Was Gino Smith?
Speaker 1: This one came down, of course, as always does right
Speaker 1: after we taped on Monday. Um the veteran quarterback who
Speaker 1: had an incredible breakout season in year nine, h signed
Speaker 1: a three year contract extension that includes forty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: He makes twenty eight million in the first year of
Speaker 1: his new deal. And this is all funny money, but
Speaker 1: just so you know, like Gino comeback player of the Year,
Speaker 1: thirty touchdown passes, maxed out every possible uh incentive, I
Speaker 1: believe on his deal. Got seven million last year and
Speaker 1: it was probably the most he ever made it his
Speaker 1: life far. He had only made seven only, but he
Speaker 1: had made seventeen in his career before this time. And
Speaker 1: now he quadruples his twenty twenty two salary in the
Speaker 1: first year of his new deal. Good for Gino Smith,
Speaker 1: I gotta say it, Greggy, I'm happy for him now.
Speaker 1: Is this a lot of money to give out to
Speaker 1: a guy that has had one big year in a
Speaker 1: decade and kind of cooled off down the stretch. You
Speaker 1: could make that case. I won't do it, though, because
Speaker 1: when you have the year that he had, and just
Speaker 1: like with Daniel Dimes there in New Jersey, they like
Speaker 1: him in that building Seattle and they're like, we believe
Speaker 1: in him as a guy that we could kind of
Speaker 1: trust to run our offense and be a face of
Speaker 1: the team. Gino got paid. Yeah, this was a win win.
Speaker 1: I mean, this to me is one of the best
Speaker 1: sporty stories in sports. For Gino Smith to come through,
Speaker 1: it's so unlikely at this point. And like I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars in his whole career now forty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's too much. I think the
Speaker 1: Seahawks actually got him to take a pretty team friendly contract,
Speaker 1: and I think he understood where he was at in
Speaker 1: his career year and he's not as young, he's not
Speaker 1: a first round pick like Daniel Jones, and and that
Speaker 1: all factors into it. But it's a very different contract
Speaker 1: than Daniel Jones. It's really a two year, fifty million
Speaker 1: dollar contract and they can get out of it if
Speaker 1: they want after one year. Really that he's gonna make
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars guaranteed uh in twenty twenty four regardless,
Speaker 1: And so that's a lot of money to have to
Speaker 1: just give away. But we've seen teams do it if
Speaker 1: for some reason they wanted to move on and otherwise, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a three year, seventy five million dollar contract that
Speaker 1: there was a ton of incentives. There's a ton of incentives,
Speaker 1: but it's three for twenty five, so that's that's right
Speaker 1: around the league average or even below it for for
Speaker 1: starting quarters. I think it's a completely fair contract. I
Speaker 1: think he was a a better quarterback than Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: a year ago. That's the thing is, Derek Carr and
Speaker 1: Gina were better quarterback and are better quarterbacks I think
Speaker 1: than Dan, but it's forty two million less than Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: I think it's very much a Sea Hawks situation too,
Speaker 1: where they were looking to move on from an ego
Speaker 1: drenched starting quarterback who was clashing with leadership, and they
Speaker 1: moved on to Geno Smith, who fells Russell Wilson in
Speaker 1: the opener, which I thought was symbolic and beautiful, ends
Speaker 1: up breaking Russell Wilson's single season passing record along the way,
Speaker 1: completely changes the way we feel about athletes who struggle
Speaker 1: as quarterbacks over the first half decade of their lives,
Speaker 1: and in theory, I think is exactly what the Seahawks
Speaker 1: are looking for. This Seahawks under Carol want to still
Speaker 1: be this like team first type situation. Thirty million of
Speaker 1: this is an incentives which speaks to Gino and the
Speaker 1: team believing that he can reach those and if they
Speaker 1: does good for them, And they can also go out
Speaker 1: and draft someone like Anthony Richardson and have him in
Speaker 1: a perfect situation to develop behind Geno Smith and figure
Speaker 1: out what you do at this point. I don't think
Speaker 1: you stop looking at young quarterbacks, but Geno's not in
Speaker 1: the way. But you keep a bridge here and it's
Speaker 1: a great way to end a good story. Hed he
Speaker 1: end up somewhere else, it would have been an ill
Speaker 1: taste after the comeback Player of the Year operation that
Speaker 1: he pulled off. I kind of think they're gonna draft
Speaker 1: Richardson now if it's perfect, though why not? Sure? It's
Speaker 1: such a great would he would only he would only
Speaker 1: sit for so long, like five weeks probably right, And
Speaker 1: that's where the contract kind of being a one year
Speaker 1: deal maybe two comes into play if something like that
Speaker 1: should happen. But who knows. Maybe Richardson is the guy
Speaker 1: they truly love, and he feels like the guy they
Speaker 1: would truly love. They just love big traits guys like
Speaker 1: physical uh freaks. But maybe Richardson goes one overall and
Speaker 1: they don't get the chance and they end up taking
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman, or Richardson goes talking about ards going
Speaker 1: on a little bit, Yeah, I mean I think it's
Speaker 1: a little We would depend who who would trade into
Speaker 1: that speA inflated, but that's some people around the Or
Speaker 1: he goes number four overall, the Colts take him, whoever
Speaker 1: it is. Maybe the Seaks don't get him, so they're
Speaker 1: kind of covered either way. UM, I just feel like
Speaker 1: the way things worked out because of the Denver trade
Speaker 1: and then just hitting um the lotto on gino U.
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity, it's like an organizational life hack
Speaker 1: here where you could be a contender in the NFC,
Speaker 1: have a have a season where you're contending for a
Speaker 1: division title, and grab a potential star quarterback in the draft,
Speaker 1: Like I gotta do it. I think done well. The
Speaker 1: rebuilding year went all right. If it falls to them,
Speaker 1: I umlike, and I've seen this on Seahawks Twitter. I
Speaker 1: disproportionately followed too many Seahawks fans, but they're they're very
Speaker 1: entertaining and there's definitely they're already clashing. Some people think
Speaker 1: it's crazy to draft another quarterback with Gino. And some
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, yeah, what you're saying, it's a
Speaker 1: life hack, of course do a team hack. Well I would.
Speaker 1: I'm more on your side that Actually. I think take
Speaker 1: quarterbacks if you love them as much as I love Gino,
Speaker 1: and I sort of am rooting for them. Not. I
Speaker 1: actually think it's it's not a bad idea to do that.
Speaker 1: And in this kindric kind of reminds me this Gino
Speaker 1: thing on this podcast. Yeah, just us talking Gino, us,
Speaker 1: all of us. I mean, he's gonna be in the
Speaker 1: NFL six or seven more years because his skill set,
Speaker 1: to me, translates perfectly to a guy who, even when
Speaker 1: he's not starting, is gonna be like a good veteran
Speaker 1: backup because to me, he sort of has that like
Speaker 1: ability to read the field and understand coverages that just
Speaker 1: age as well, and like that even when he's not
Speaker 1: starting anymore. Like, I just feel like Geno's gonna be around.
Speaker 1: He feels like a nice logical endpoint for your victory lap.
Speaker 1: Like today's podcast, great job, Greg, We're all proud of you.
Speaker 1: You nail the Geno thing. Um, now we can move forward.
Speaker 1: Perhaps I think it'd be organic to move. That's not
Speaker 1: my style, but I will take a victory laugh. Look
Speaker 1: at this. Greg literally just ran around the desk. I
Speaker 1: like that. This the dusty like that. Here's Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: and Gino Smith. Yeah, when when you guys get your
Speaker 1: chance and you really dig in, you'll see that it
Speaker 1: Just see Rodgers comes to the gentleman. I knew that way.
Speaker 1: We're counting on him coming through and doing the things
Speaker 1: that he was able to do last year, and if
Speaker 1: he dares, he's gonna get rewarded. And uh, we know
Speaker 1: that if that, if he's able to come back and
Speaker 1: do that, he's gonna have a great season and we're
Speaker 1: going to be in great shape. We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: real chance to be at the best at our best. So, um,
Speaker 1: it is heavily structured that way, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's gambling a little bit in that sense on himself.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean what does that say about him.
Speaker 1: He's clear about it. They were you know, this was
Speaker 1: part of it and the perfect person throughout. So it's
Speaker 1: a it's a really strong part of the contract. And
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe why the ownership is so happy
Speaker 1: with it. Too if you if you perform and you
Speaker 1: get it done and you know gladly we would reward
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think that was a real
Speaker 1: combination of thinking that it worked out for us. That's
Speaker 1: Brock and Salt show on Seattle Sports seven ten am.
Speaker 1: It's like unbelievable. What does it say about Gino that
Speaker 1: he just quadruple the salary to twenty eight million this year? Well,
Speaker 1: what a soldier, well saying he took as there's an
Speaker 1: extreme amount of insive integrity. Shout out to Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Saints, because I I've heard some
Speaker 1: back room whispering that like the Saints coming up in
Speaker 1: that Derek Carr move absolutely helped Gino get paid and
Speaker 1: get this thing over all connected, So all connected? All right,
Speaker 1: let's wrap it up here. The news no franchise tag
Speaker 1: for Chiefs left tackle Orlando Brown. There's some saucy tackles
Speaker 1: available to teams if you're looking to overpay for a
Speaker 1: guy that's a little older but also has a track record.
Speaker 1: Uh casey edge rusher Frank Clark also no longer connected
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. He has been released. The Bucks cut
Speaker 1: ties with their veteran left tackle Donovan Smith. So that's
Speaker 1: another dude out there, and the Dolphins say goodbye to cornerback.
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, he's at least where do these various players
Speaker 1: fall in the greggy one O one well or Lena
Speaker 1: Brown number two overall? Man the the top one one
Speaker 1: took a beating enfranchise tag deadline. Yeah, and there's been
Speaker 1: some uh signings elsewhere too or later. Brown is now
Speaker 1: number two overall. He'll get probably the most amount of
Speaker 1: guaranteed money in this market. Now. I think we used
Speaker 1: to do that, We used to try to guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it would be because he's only twenty seven.
Speaker 1: You're right, there are some veteran tackles out there, like
Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey. Uh. There there's some younger ones too, Juwan Taylor,
Speaker 1: Caleb McGarry, Frank Clark. He is very inconsistent um as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, thirty years old. So he's down at
Speaker 1: number sixty three Byron Jones. Nice career, but it sounds
Speaker 1: like does not sound good that he's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to continue playing football. Unfortunately, and now with all these
Speaker 1: you know, guys that come off the list when they
Speaker 1: get tagged and whatnot. A lot of guys are being
Speaker 1: pushed up. So Baker, who be again at one on one?
Speaker 1: He's got to be in what the eighties, now, nineties,
Speaker 1: maybe low nineties, seventies maybe well, Dan Baker remains at
Speaker 1: one on one, but you just lock him in there.
Speaker 1: So one oh one is is more of a mindset.
Speaker 1: It's a spiritual thing. And so it is unfair if
Speaker 1: you're a Baker Mayfield fan that as these other players
Speaker 1: are coming off the board. Our editor Ali Bun Purry
Speaker 1: yes points out, are you going to be comfortable if
Speaker 1: Mike White and Sam Darnold now pass the Baker to
Speaker 1: sign the list because he's on this desk when Darnold passed?
Speaker 1: Fans you have coming at you about this? H Glit
Speaker 1: not many now, is he? I think it's something like
Speaker 1: that where he's creepd nine spots. So we will lock
Speaker 1: it in when free agency actually opens. But yeah, there
Speaker 1: will be more players flying off this list. Amazing. I
Speaker 1: love it, the one on one conundrum. Let's take a
Speaker 1: break and wrap things up with some more lamar chatter.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go before we say goodbye. Obviously,
Speaker 1: did a lot of talk about Lamar Jackson in a
Speaker 1: situation at the top of the show. But it makes
Speaker 1: sense to talk about what teams make the most sense
Speaker 1: to you guys in terms of where he should land
Speaker 1: and and I'll leave it up to you guys, because
Speaker 1: I didn't put too much into all those reports of
Speaker 1: those teams being out, So you could certainly represent one
Speaker 1: of those teams in a more meaningful way and pitch
Speaker 1: Lamar on why he should join the team. Mark get
Speaker 1: us going. I would love to see what um Shane
Speaker 1: Stikeen and the Colts could do with Lamar Jackson. Are
Speaker 1: representing the cults right now? Yeah, I'm representing the cults.
Speaker 1: I think that you've got um an offensive mind who
Speaker 1: turned jail and Hurts. We've got well, you know, the
Speaker 1: collective we and you've got a coach that basically turned
Speaker 1: jail and Hurts into an high flying Envy Pe candidate
Speaker 1: and a Super Bowl quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I don't
Speaker 1: know if like our city, Indianapolis totally feels like the
Speaker 1: place where star players want to go necessarily compared to
Speaker 1: like a Miami or something like that. But we have
Speaker 1: a quarterback need and I think we've got the coach,
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of them stray to your own
Speaker 1: city and your pitch because this is me I find
Speaker 1: that is just to be honest, A little little isn't
Speaker 1: where I would call like the Circus of Stars necessarily,
Speaker 1: But you've set some great quarterbacks that have played here,
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson would be totally appreciated in Indianapolis. I
Speaker 1: think he did the chance low after all this quarterback
Speaker 1: wreckage that we've dealt with and Chris Ballard, who let's
Speaker 1: be honest, like Chris, he works right down the hall.
Speaker 1: He's got about one more chance on the quarterback front
Speaker 1: before the whole ship sinks. Let's get this Lamar thing done.
Speaker 1: Get Shane Styken off with a good situation at quarterback
Speaker 1: for another. You know journeyman that you got to sell
Speaker 1: to the press for six months, Let's do with he's
Speaker 1: gonna help. I don't speak to them. They've got the
Speaker 1: number four overall. Pick. I just hate when teams let
Speaker 1: he has the number. You have the number four for all?
Speaker 1: Guess I hate when who am I again? Shane? Just
Speaker 1: don't don't let the cults as mistakes from the last
Speaker 1: few years. Just change what you're gonna do you can
Speaker 1: you imagine if Lamar was available for the Colts last
Speaker 1: year at this time or two years ago at the time,
Speaker 1: they would have been the team that would have gone
Speaker 1: after him the most. But now because they've been burned
Speaker 1: by Mat Ryan and Carson Wentz, then we have to
Speaker 1: go with a rookie. They do have the number four
Speaker 1: overall pick, though, so we have to see this differently. Yes,
Speaker 1: it feels, but I mean, don't let those mistakes affect you.
Speaker 1: And that's not Shane Stiking, by the way, about our coach,
Speaker 1: who's got experience working with his rep for the organization.
Speaker 1: You're a public rep, okay. I want to make amends too,
Speaker 1: as a public rep for the New England Patriots who
Speaker 1: drafted Sony Michelle thirty first over in the twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: draft when all the national reporting and local were like,
Speaker 1: you know that it doesn't quite make sense because you know,
Speaker 1: Brady's still here, but they really love Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 1: I was just hoping. I just felt perfect the end
Speaker 1: of the first round and they took Sonny Michelle, who
Speaker 1: by the way, was absolutely vital in winning their six
Speaker 1: Super Bowl came playoff run just because the right cover
Speaker 1: but now is the time. Now is the time to
Speaker 1: do it. They're laying low. You know, I've been into
Speaker 1: mac Jones. But if you have a chance to get
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I think you could find a home for
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, maybe get some sort of pick back, and
Speaker 1: you make it happen with Lamar. We make it happen.
Speaker 1: We make it happen. Bill O'Brien, who would you rather
Speaker 1: have with Lamar Jackson? Probably have like seven or eight
Speaker 1: people thirteen, But he did coach Deshaun Watson. They're very,
Speaker 1: very different players. But it just showed to me that
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien can be flexible. Whereas he went from like
Speaker 1: Hoyer to Watson, he went kind of from Watson as
Speaker 1: a runner to Watson much more as a pocket passer.
Speaker 1: And I just think it would make my life more fun.
Speaker 1: And I would just as a team REP right as
Speaker 1: a team REP. I'm a huge fan of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast, and I'd love to get Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: back on board and bringing him Lamar. That would do it. Really.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. He's taken a victory lap. He's now referenced
Speaker 1: himself as a vibrant character up from the third person angle.
Speaker 1: You're edging dangerously close to having a Neon sign behind me.
Speaker 1: I'm a human, classic non human move right. They don't
Speaker 1: feel like that crazy of a out of left field team.
Speaker 1: I think they would be into it. Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they hate the Ravens and that's cool, and they don't
Speaker 1: really they respect him, but it's a rivalry. It's certainly
Speaker 1: a rivalry with the Ravens. I guess they lose some
Speaker 1: control here at this point, obviously Lee, but they do
Speaker 1: ultimately have the final say about whether they want to
Speaker 1: match a contract. Would you be comfortable traded or losing
Speaker 1: him to an AFC rival at that level and then
Speaker 1: having a deal with him for a decade plus potentially,
Speaker 1: or would the Patriots? You left yourself open to these
Speaker 1: type of situations to minecraft, you got that escrow money,
Speaker 1: let's do it. I think the Ravens have to be
Speaker 1: okay with the idea that someone could craft a contract
Speaker 1: they're not going to match and they move on. I
Speaker 1: just think that's part of this. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if New England, I like, I kind of had I
Speaker 1: had them on my thing too as a potential fit.
Speaker 1: But it's like, do you think the Patriots the way
Speaker 1: they operate, UM would dish out that kind of money
Speaker 1: for for Lamar Jackson. I don't know. I think all
Speaker 1: bets are off with the Patriots right now. They've been
Speaker 1: very unpredictable. They are willing to spend on top of
Speaker 1: the market type guys when they feel like there's a
Speaker 1: value there. And it just feels like the end of
Speaker 1: days in terms of balochick and things. I mean, they
Speaker 1: freaking hired map but Trisia to be their offensive coordinat
Speaker 1: or a year ago. Yeah, I think they're willing to
Speaker 1: just do some things. Um. I'm a public rep, uh
Speaker 1: front facing rep for the Atlanta Falcons, and I just
Speaker 1: want to let everybody know, like we're just joking yesterday.
Speaker 1: I just wanting to get people mad. We want to
Speaker 1: get the Lamarmie fired up and cause some buzz so
Speaker 1: that when the reports leak of us whining and dining
Speaker 1: Lamar come out, it makes us look that much better,
Speaker 1: like just like, oh, wow, they're playing chess. The last
Speaker 1: Smarmie is not gonna like that. The um and listen,
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't overthink things. We got a ton of
Speaker 1: guap escrow out the ace. We got escrow out the ace.
Speaker 1: You ever heard home depot? Ever heard of it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are large store fronts, large stores. Go get your
Speaker 1: lumber bit. Yeah, home Depot. It's like, oh you you
Speaker 1: won your your You got your team because your dad
Speaker 1: like had a good day at the racetrack. I built
Speaker 1: home Depot literally screw drivers. Everything you need, hammers, plumbing supplies, fencing,
Speaker 1: carpeting indoor and out, or grills would lumber deep. So
Speaker 1: we got the escrow and we also have a head
Speaker 1: coach who knows how to win with a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 1: We got a nice offensive line. Uh, Mark, I know
Speaker 1: you are a REP for a different team, but who
Speaker 1: we got in the backfield in Atlanta. You've got a
Speaker 1: wide ranging assortment of battlers, of maulers. I got you
Speaker 1: a teachump, you got quarter All Patterson, and you got
Speaker 1: is your guy. I'm not speaking about any player from
Speaker 1: other team I've only I'm not I'm not going to
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak. I'm playing team rep. I'm
Speaker 1: not Mark Sessler. Okay, fair, fair Tyler, who is that
Speaker 1: that's noticing? I am now battling myself. Tyler Algier Bang
Speaker 1: who averaged five point six yards per carry. Oh Kyle Pitts,
Speaker 1: Oh h Drake London, Oh, a good offensive line. Did
Speaker 1: I mention a week division? Did I mentioned playing in
Speaker 1: a dome? Did I mention in playing in Hotlanta? This
Speaker 1: is this makes too much sense to not happen. So
Speaker 1: you can have your little Rassini reports out there. That's fine.
Speaker 1: You could get people fired up on Twitter, you can
Speaker 1: get the Lamarmie angry. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we are the place for this guy, and we might
Speaker 1: not offer him two hundred and thirty five million guaranteed
Speaker 1: or whatever, but we're gonna give him a ton of guap,
Speaker 1: that home Depot guap, and he's he's gonna come to
Speaker 1: us because it's too perfect. It was an interesting move
Speaker 1: to added the gate rush to let him know we
Speaker 1: don't we're not interested. That was the one team that
Speaker 1: playing around the most. But they have the number eight pick.
Speaker 1: Do you ever where you ever? You ever going to
Speaker 1: home Depot as a kid with your dad or whatever,
Speaker 1: and sure you just he kind of set you free
Speaker 1: and you just start wandering around. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: fun place to get lost in. Those aisles are like
Speaker 1: forty yards tall. There's just all sorts of there's a
Speaker 1: home and garden area outside. The wander out there. It
Speaker 1: smells nice, the birds are out there. Um, it's fun.
Speaker 1: I never did that. You never did they did. I
Speaker 1: don't think they had what home depots in western Massachusetts. Well,
Speaker 1: I feel like it was maybe took a while to
Speaker 1: come out, but you're it's it's a larger version of
Speaker 1: being taken to the hardware store when you're young. Sure
Speaker 1: it's got that lumber smell. It's had some good time
Speaker 1: at true value. Sure, how hardware store um, which is
Speaker 1: the opposite, by the way, And I think Pergament was
Speaker 1: dating myself here, But Pergament, I believe was a home
Speaker 1: approven story in the Tri State area that I went
Speaker 1: to a lot with Keith. The place I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go to was Marshal's. Debbie would take me my
Speaker 1: mom to Marshals and she would just, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: Marshals is a discount um like clothing store. And I
Speaker 1: would go on my it was the eighties, early nineties.
Speaker 1: I would go on the lap around the store to
Speaker 1: try to kill time. And by the time I got
Speaker 1: back to where I left my mom, she was like
Speaker 1: three feet over in the same aisle. The Marshal's trips
Speaker 1: were forever a mom wormhole to home. Yeah. Anyway, does
Speaker 1: anybody else, anybody else have another rep you want to
Speaker 1: throw out there? What about one little operation here? We
Speaker 1: are in the middle of the country. Uh. And everyone
Speaker 1: just assumes that we're going to be parting ways with
Speaker 1: our quarterback and just taking this guy that's played like
Speaker 1: eighty two snaps and where everyone thinks we're set well.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love could be sent back to any team anywhere
Speaker 1: in reverse. And we just have Lamar Jackson as our
Speaker 1: quarterback in green Bay. We love the idea of having
Speaker 1: the backfield we have. We're a cold weather team. You
Speaker 1: get Lamar Jackson as part of a run heavy offense
Speaker 1: and our growing defense. And the green Bay Packers would
Speaker 1: welcome Lamar Jackson after what we've been through with our
Speaker 1: rather extra veteran quarterback of the past, you know, decade plus.
Speaker 1: And we'll take Lamar from here and go. And I
Speaker 1: think the Packers are this team that sits out there
Speaker 1: is an excellent fit that's not being talked about because
Speaker 1: we're operating. Can the Shadows can answer question? I've already
Speaker 1: said what I need to say, But you're the team rep.
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw it out there, Lamar.
Speaker 1: One of the things he's dealt with for a long
Speaker 1: time in Baltimore is like they don't know how to
Speaker 1: properly build around him. Why would Lamar want to go
Speaker 1: to a team that might have a worse skill group
Speaker 1: than even the Ravens. Well, we don't see ourselves that way,
Speaker 1: first of all, on any level. And we will do.
Speaker 1: What we'll do is build around Lamar. I mean we
Speaker 1: will flexibly coordinate our roster to accelerate and you know,
Speaker 1: magnify his gifts. They might have two first round draft
Speaker 1: picks this year after that, and that's right. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're fully set up to build around him immediately. And
Speaker 1: it's it's the greatest fan base in sports. He'd get
Speaker 1: the chance to play in Lambeau and like look over
Speaker 1: at Baltimore and say check you later. Nice move up,
Speaker 1: Nice move by you, Ravens. All Right, I'm not a
Speaker 1: rep from a team, I'm a rept from the NFL,
Speaker 1: I guess. And what I would say is there's just
Speaker 1: so many teams out there that Lamar would really juice
Speaker 1: up that people are able to talk about it only
Speaker 1: takes one or two. No, I'm not going anywhere. Could
Speaker 1: be anywhere in these divisions. Could be Detroit, it could
Speaker 1: be Minnesota. Carolina still makes a lot of sense. Tampa,
Speaker 1: they've got a cap situation, but they certainly need a quarterback. Someone.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna pop up and provide a home for Lamar.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I though, you're gonna go with
Speaker 1: Washington because what or what fan base needs a fresh
Speaker 1: start more than the Commanders. And maybe you have a
Speaker 1: fresh start from the top down, and then Lamar is
Speaker 1: your quarterback and you can, finally, after decades in the wilderness,
Speaker 1: feel like you're onto something fresh and beautiful and exciting. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that and you would stick maybe stick at
Speaker 1: to baltiware that those two organizations don't really they don't
Speaker 1: like each other. I will make one last team rep move,
Speaker 1: which is h come home, Lamar. You know, we we
Speaker 1: got a quarterback here in Miami that we're putting it
Speaker 1: out there publicly. We do support him. We would only
Speaker 1: come off of twa tongue of Voloa if we got
Speaker 1: a super duper star, an MVP caliber quarterback. That's who
Speaker 1: you are, Lamar, come home. He's a super duper star. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he was an MVP, uh and he's a top
Speaker 1: ten quarterback when he plays whenever he plays. Had some
Speaker 1: injuries but nothing crazy. The Ravens are forty five and
Speaker 1: sixteen with Lamar Jackson in two and eight without him
Speaker 1: that superstar. Yes, I think he's a superstar. You said
Speaker 1: super duper star. Okay, I'll leave it at superstar. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying there's the one thing we haven't really talked
Speaker 1: about today, which is like Lamar Jackson, is he a
Speaker 1: superstar or is he a super duperstar? Because I think
Speaker 1: that might define like whether he ever got his wish
Speaker 1: or not? And how much do people put in? Twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen was several years back now to injury plague seasons. Uh,
Speaker 1: and the production wasn't extremely high. Um. I was looking
Speaker 1: at the QBR. It was kind of a middle of
Speaker 1: the pack guy. Last ten years, EPA per drop back
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen through twenty twenty two has gone from
Speaker 1: first to fourteenth to sixteenth to twenty first. Although EPA
Speaker 1: I have, well that's that's it seems like here's when
Speaker 1: every time there's any critique of Lamar, it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't really, that's not really valid. It's like
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has missed twelve games over the last two seasons.
Speaker 1: And all I'd say is that Baltimore, as much as
Speaker 1: any team in the league, when Greg Roman's offense, when
Speaker 1: it works for the first couple of years, made it
Speaker 1: about as Lamar friendly as possible. You'd have to go
Speaker 1: do that in Miami, where you have Tyree Hill and
Speaker 1: Jail and Waddle. I am fully confident that would be
Speaker 1: an extremely Lamar I think it's a great fit. But
Speaker 1: that's I'm just saying of any of these about any quarterback,
Speaker 1: but I just can't. I don't think you stick Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson to do any offense without it being Lamar was
Speaker 1: in QBR this best season behind Jacoby Brissette. UH year
Speaker 1: before he was seventeenth behind rookie Mac Jones UM. So
Speaker 1: that's the only I'm certainly like. Aaron Rodgers is twenty
Speaker 1: sixth in QBR, and I just think, using your eyes,
Speaker 1: if super duperstars top five quarterbacks, he's not there right now.
Speaker 1: He's not. Do I think there'd be a chance he
Speaker 1: can get back there, certainly, but he's not there. He's
Speaker 1: more in the six to ten rings. So I'll just
Speaker 1: say like my final kind of thought on the situation.
Speaker 1: And because if there is any type of backdoor conversations
Speaker 1: going on with owners on how to handle this, you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that needs to be brought to light. But
Speaker 1: if you are not in that top five, should you
Speaker 1: be getting the type of contract that is nearly unprecedented
Speaker 1: in the league? Is that carve away conspiracy theories? Is
Speaker 1: that partly at the heart of this No, And it
Speaker 1: happened last year with a quarterback, right because with two
Speaker 1: Kyler and Deshaun Watson. I mean, I'm dan, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I just I think that I think Lamar Jackson's a
Speaker 1: tough long term sign. I really think that I wish
Speaker 1: you could craft like a two year deal that like
Speaker 1: rewards him richly for the player he is, which is
Speaker 1: unlike any other player in the league. And I think
Speaker 1: it would make it easier for teams. Okay, so try
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. I don't know about two, but three,
Speaker 1: maybe try it. Talk to him, don't cancel yourself. See
Speaker 1: if we can creative, because it's that's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: Seems like he kind of wants out of Baltimore, or
Speaker 1: that the Ravens are ready to do this seat. See
Speaker 1: what you can come up with. Maybe it will work,
Speaker 1: maybe it won't. Yeah, all right, that's it. Thank you
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Speaker 1: Nailed it. As you put the money away, Greg was
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