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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast. Hey, Greg, nice tortoise nerd

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Speaker 1: from the Chris Westling podcast studio sniper shot. It's around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm Dan Hansis Greg Rosenthal's here? Untoward Gregg,

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Speaker 1: untoward Mark Sessler? How is everybody? I'm all for a

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Speaker 1: you know, out of out of a deep space shot

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Speaker 1: at Greg once in a while, but that seemed unseemly

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Speaker 1: to me. Greg, I don't I don't approve. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: for the concern. Nori has been struggling with the move.

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Speaker 1: We've had to move her cakes all around. She hasn't

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Speaker 1: been eating. The rain came and we had a covering,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we're having to buy something to cover up.

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Speaker 1: But she got a little wet. So we're we're we're

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Speaker 1: a little worried about Nori. Why does caring for an animal,

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Speaker 1: which we've all done in our lifetime, and why does

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Speaker 1: that make you a nerd? Among other things that I mean, Listen,

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Speaker 1: we didn't write that, we didn't record it. We had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this through me. We never do.

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Speaker 1: Um the tortoise, I feel like you can probably of

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Speaker 1: all the pets. Yeah, if the tortoise doesn't make it

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Speaker 1: just get another one. Yeah, they're all the same. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not personality driven, not an animal from that I'm different.

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Speaker 1: It's like no, like you are the same, You're the

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Speaker 1: same during dinosaurs with the child even know, depending on

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Speaker 1: the child. The whole point though, is that like I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be sixty five years old and Nori will still

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Speaker 1: be there. And that's the that's the beauty of the tortoise.

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Speaker 1: They don't die on you say, they stay with you

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Speaker 1: forty years. Oh well, then everybody wins. But I'm saying

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Speaker 1: if the tortoise croaks, yeah, there's a scenario where you

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Speaker 1: just replace the tortoise because of all the most important

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Speaker 1: thing is to keep your child happy and not not

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Speaker 1: be facing themes about what about myself? You know, it's

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Speaker 1: about you. It's about the around the NFL digging into

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Speaker 1: a big, big newsday. Um, we last spoke of you

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Speaker 1: on two on Monday, and then Tuesday was a massive

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Speaker 1: development of various storylines and we're gonna get to them

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Speaker 1: all in the news m But you know, Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: I think it's the biggest. I think the Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: story and he's meeting with the Jets. That is huge

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Speaker 1: obviously on a number of levels personally as well. But

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Speaker 1: the Lamar Jackson situation has layers. It's got a little

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Speaker 1: something for everyone. Whatever angle you cover football from, it's

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Speaker 1: got a little something for you. And I thought that

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Speaker 1: yesterday was fascinating because Greggy as for instance, you're a

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Speaker 1: member of the Lamarmie. Yeah, and I'm not. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a freedom fighter. On the other side, I feel like

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Speaker 1: you are. But you're just taking the easy way out.

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Speaker 1: Just say how you feel. You think he's overrated, You're

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Speaker 1: part of the Smarmie ll Smarmie. I don't find him

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Speaker 1: to be at the level of you know, the greats

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Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Love to have him by my team.

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Speaker 1: But I what I'm saying is when after all this talk,

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Speaker 1: all this speculation for weeks about why don't the Ravens

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Speaker 1: give him what he wants, the fully guaranteed contract, and

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Speaker 1: then they hit him with the transitional tag, the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: the franchise tag, the non exclusive franchise tag, and then

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Speaker 1: where it got really juicy, Mark was multiple teams. It

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Speaker 1: told right now. That's where it stands now. The Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Falcons and Miami Dolphins, the Carolina Panthers, the Washington Commanders,

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Speaker 1: and it's creating this big story that goes beyond the player.

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Speaker 1: And maybe in some ways it's always been bigger than

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Speaker 1: Lamar because of what it means financially with the league.

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Speaker 1: It's just heating up. This is a huge story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I think the interest among any general

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Speaker 1: If Lamar's you know, theorized contract demands at some stage

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Speaker 1: I think that adds some complexity because of an agent

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Speaker 1: can make Deshaun Watson and Deshaun Watson's financial demands which

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Speaker 1: If you look around the league, the idea that these teams,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, said that the contract for Deshaun Watson is

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Speaker 1: quote going to make it harder to do business. That's

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Speaker 1: his agent, David Mullaghetta, had all these reporters under his thumb.

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Speaker 1: A lot of hypocrisy there about. You know, reporting is

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Speaker 1: That's a sad thing to see, Mark. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Does that mean all other ownerships now have to do

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Speaker 1: And in theory Lamar Jackson, the closer and closer he

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Speaker 1: gets to free agency, I've heard that he's lost his leverage,

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Speaker 1: that he should have held out two years ago and

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Speaker 1: people are saying, well, the Watsons thinks so much bigger. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but just contracts in generals are bigger. And obviously Jackson

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Speaker 1: It's best for anybody who has an interest in us

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Speaker 1: little bit, it's very sleepy. Those are two best friends,

427
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: just chopping it up late at night. Yeah, late night chatting. Yes,

428
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Speaker 1: that's what Aaron Rodgers said last week. He doesn't want

429
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Speaker 1: to draw this thing out. And I think that would

430
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: be great if that's how it plays out, because right

431
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: now the Jets and Aaron Rodgers are in communication. Last

432
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, it was reported that the Packers had given

433
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Speaker 1: the Jet permission to speak with their long time quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And then the Jets got on a private jet and

435
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Speaker 1: met with Rogers in California. And we don't know where

436
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: things are right now. That's where we're at, but this

437
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: is this is the situation. Now, the Jets are not

438
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: going to have Derek Carr and their team. The Jets

439
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: obviously need an upgraded quarterback, and now they're speaking with

440
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And all I could say is get it done.

441
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: You cannot get into the red zone here and not

442
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: put this across the goal line. Fingers cross for everyone

443
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: that follows Gang green Well that assumes everyone wants Aaron Rodgers.

444
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Is that the case? I think, well, smart jetsman, I

445
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: think it is you want Aaron Rodgers? Do you want

446
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers even with all the baggage? Or do you

447
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: want Jimmy Garoppolo? Right? I mean, let's be honest about it,

448
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: like Jamis Winston, Andy Dalton, Ryan Tannehill, like who do

449
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: you want? Do you want to win a super Bowl? Like?

450
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Speaker 1: Are we we're a half century deep into this weight

451
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Speaker 1: for our next super Bowl visit? Do you want to

452
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 1: win the super Bowl? Because I am not. I don't

453
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: think I'm over shooting the moon here when I say

454
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Speaker 1: if they have Aaron Rodgers and he has a better

455
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Speaker 1: year than last year, of course this could be a

456
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Speaker 1: super Bowl contender. I think those are the stakes right now.

457
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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think they'd be, you know, no

458
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Speaker 1: higher than fifth or sixth in my list of like

459
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: likely teams, but they would have in the AFC, but

460
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: they would have a shot. I believed when Woody Johnson

461
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: got on a plane, as the reporting shows, goes out

462
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: to California with a big contingent, that more likely than

463
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: not Aaron Rodgers will be a Jet and you you

464
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: were already you know, being cautious with your optimism, worried

465
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: about Lucy, you know, taking the football away from you

466
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: as a Jets fan. And I and I get that,

467
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers isn't is also a cruel vixen sometimes

468
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: an unpredictable guy say, and it's totally up to him.

469
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: But to get this far, it just feels like, well,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers wouldn't take the meeting unless he was, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: willing to go to the Jets. He knows the Packers

472
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: don't want him. On some level, we know his head

473
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: is not in the sand in terms of news reports.

474
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Speaker 1: He knows exactly what Bob McGinn reported. He knows they're

475
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Speaker 1: letting him talk to the Jets. He wants to be wanted.

476
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine him going back to the pack

477
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: at this point once you've already taken this step. We've

478
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: heard it thrown back out there that retirement is really

479
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: an option here, that he's still not giving up. But

480
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I don't know what's in

481
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: his heart, but I don't see other teams making this

482
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: trip either. It just feels like this is probably gonna happen,

483
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: and he might make you sweat it out a little bit,

484
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: but I think he will do that. But I think

485
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: if you're a Jets fan, you aren't trying to compete

486
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: against three other franchises that have just as much to offer,

487
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: and the Jets actually in this matters Daron Rodgers because

488
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: I think if you're Aaron Rodgers, if you are constantly

489
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: thinking about your life, your consciousness, your legacy, who you

490
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: are as a football player. Talked about gaining new appreciation

491
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Speaker 1: for the fact that he is the one thing about

492
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: the Jets and applied to the Browns back when Odell

493
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Becka went there and all this other stuff. If you

494
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: turn the Jets into a winner, if you took them

495
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl, if you want a super Bowl,

496
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter about anything else. Ever, Aaron Rodgers

497
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: become complete and total legend and he's completely won. And

498
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: I just think if you're in New York, to your

499
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: point with the red Zone, Dan, if you're going to

500
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: fly out there on the plane, if you're going to

501
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: take him out to dinner, do all that business, there's

502
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: no one else competing for him. You've got to seal

503
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: the deal, and like, I kind of wish that the

504
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: like while they were out there, everyone just agreed to

505
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: it and you fly home. I don't like any situation

506
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: when you fly to meet someone and then you fly

507
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: back home and you sort of just have them sitting

508
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: there waiting. But you know what, they're the only team

509
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: in the race right now. I think the Packers are

510
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: in the deep rear view mirror at this point. Yeah.

511
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: And the thing is, because we were talking about before

512
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: the show, Greggy, it's like the Jets kind of need

513
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: this decision in advance of free agency, when other players

514
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: hit the market, when other teams have the opportunity to

515
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: engage in trade talks, when this Lamar Jackson situation is unfolding,

516
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: and it becomes a situation where they can't just sit

517
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: here and then be left like without a chair, Like

518
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has to work with them one way or

519
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: the other. And what makes me nervous is that Rogers

520
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: is an unpredictable person and Woody Johnson and the Jets historically,

521
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: although they did get Bread Farve once upon a time

522
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, this week, yes, do I trust? Do

523
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: I trust this to go off without a hitch. No,

524
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: it seems like I'm still a pretty wide open situation.

525
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a fly on the wall

526
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: just to know how these conversations go. But it makes

527
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 1: too much sense. I've been saying this for almost two

528
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: months now. This always made so much sense for the Jets,

529
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: and I think it makes sense for Rogers as well now.

530
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: And we talked to I was on Rachel's show yesterday, like,

531
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: this is where he is at in his career now.

532
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: If the Packers are looking to move on, like, go

533
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: to a team that has a chance to win where

534
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: you could cement your legacy in a different way. If

535
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: you have the passion, this is a great setup where

536
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: you could be a legend in the New York market.

537
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd also you know, who knows where Aaron

538
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: Rodgers was mentally a year ago. But like, if you're

539
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: going to go take this money from the Jets, this

540
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: is not year forty six with the Packers, I think

541
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: you need to be like, you need to get a

542
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: guy who is absolutely all in on the entire from

543
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: here on offseason on to work with new players to

544
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: make it is anti Aaron Rodgers, as we've felt about

545
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: him the last couple off seasons, Like, I mean, you've

546
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: had your time away, your retreat, your X and Y

547
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: and Z. Now if you're going to join the Jets,

548
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: like give them everything that you're worth, right, I think

549
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: the love of the game is real. You don't you

550
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: don't go through this, you don't become Aaron Rodgers if

551
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: it's not deep, if it's not profound. I think there's

552
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: this idea that he's, you know, little leftist center and

553
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: you like, this guy loves ball. Now, he loved having

554
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: a situation last year where he didn't have to be

555
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: there the whole off season, and I think the Packers

556
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: didn't love that. So I'm with you. I think that

557
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: would have to change. But that was one of my

558
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: takeaways listening to that podcast was how much I think

559
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: the love of the game and eat like that win

560
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: over the Cowboys alone, Like it sounded like it was

561
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: one of the most memorable moments of his entire career.

562
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: And I could see that even on the fans are like, well,

563
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: the only one one, it cames in the end, But

564
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: to him, this is his life and that was just

565
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: like a moment. And I think going to a newer

566
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: place and we saw it with Tom Brady. We saw

567
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: it with Peyton Manning when we thought he was kind

568
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: of done after Indianapolis, these greats. I think it's just

569
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: human nature. You can get reinvigorated being in a new situation.

570
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: And I think he's looking for a new man. Dan

571
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: like it may ultimately come out when the autobiography of

572
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Jets winning quarterback Aaron Rodgers hits the shelves, that maybe

573
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: it was this much maligned darkness retreat that inside of

574
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: his heart, his soul, his mind turned the Jets into

575
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: a tangible concept for him, versus just floating around up

576
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: and down the avenues of Green Bay, where going to

577
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: the Jets would sound like a nightmare. Maybe this didn't.

578
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: It's it's like, what am I? God, I already know

579
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: the way to the stadium. You take a left on

580
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: Mike Holmgren Way and a right on McCarthy Avenue, And

581
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: I see, I saw this tweet from your old place

582
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: of work, Greg Pro football Talk, Aaron Rodgerson will be

583
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: all smiles and they'll say all the right things if

584
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: the Jets trade for Rogers. How long until the first

585
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: story citing unnamed source that Rogers hates Wilson and or

586
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Wilson hates Rodgers, you know, miss me with all that

587
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: trash people want to bring storm clouds in all the

588
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: time with this team, Just let's see how it all

589
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: plays out instead of trying to manifest misery for an

590
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: organization that's had more than it's fair. Sharon Rodgers is

591
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's hero. And it is kind of hilarious to

592
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: me that, like, Zach Wilson isn't even mentioned in any

593
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: of this, and he shouldn't be. But it is weird

594
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: that it's like a number two overall draft pick that's

595
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: in his third season and no one's even considering him

596
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: as an option, including if they don't get Aaron Rodgers.

597
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: No one's considering him as I think if they got

598
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: there at Card, he might not have been on the team.

599
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: Rogers Actually makes sense to me that it's like, Okay,

600
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: I can just chill, I can learn the position if

601
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm ever going to develop, Actually, this maybe gives me

602
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: a better chance. One last thing is, uh, you know

603
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: that Woody Johnson. Maybe you know he's he's been up

604
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: and down, mostly down, but he didn't always have the

605
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: closer Nathaniel Hackett on him. That is true Nathaniel Hackett

606
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: if he does nothing else, if he because remembers then

607
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: the Broncos a year ago, I thought when they always

608
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: when they went after Nathaniel Hackett, that was when we

609
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: were going Aaron Rodgers to Denver, like that would decrease

610
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: the skids And it didn't happen. But a year later,

611
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett all roses. You know what I would love

612
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: if the trade happened and then they have the big

613
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: press conference. First of all, I'd want Hackett to do

614
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: similar to what he did with Russell Wilson at the

615
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: press conference. Come on, y'all, Russell Wilson, holy just replace

616
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Also, if he is the one that gets

617
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: this done, I want him entering the press conference, Hackett

618
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: to enter Sandman by Metallic to you just build a

619
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: statue of him outside. No no no, no, and he just

620
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: comes in like a rock star, dressed like Dean Blandino,

621
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: ready for a night out. Oh my god. Are more

622
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: valuable to the Jets than he was? Then he's got

623
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: to actually coordinate the offense. That's the problem part. Do

624
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: you think the Packers have the Jets over the barrel

625
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: a little bit? In terms of trade talks though, Uh,

626
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: you know you send you the owner there, you know

627
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: that they don't really have an option b I'm they do.

628
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I think they want to go with Jordan Love you

629
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: mean in terms of another trade with leverage and like

630
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: who can they pivot and say, well, if you don't

631
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: give us this, we're gonna go to I think it's

632
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: just something where you kind of know you're going to

633
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: get a deal done. But I think the Packers start

634
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: out with a little extra edge here, and it's it's

635
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: weird because the contracts so big. I have a hard

636
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: time figuring out what Aaron Rodgers's value is because he's

637
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: obviously better than Russell Wilson. But you're not gonna get

638
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson package at this point. I don't think

639
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that. Is there any reality where the

640
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Speaker 1: Jets get out of this with Rogers and their first

641
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Speaker 1: round pick? How can you Brian Goodencoston in trade Rogers

642
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Speaker 1: without a first round pick being involved? Right? I just

643
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: think part of it is part of story putting a

644
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: seventeen percent chance, But I think I think there's a

645
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: chance to like, we're surprised sometimes by the way these

646
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: trades because of the money. The money. Yeah, because of

647
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Speaker 1: the money. It might be like a first and a

648
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Speaker 1: fourth or which might be next years though sure fourth

649
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: and this year's third, you know, like and he has

650
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: to work with them because he has to say, well,

651
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: I also want to go here, and then they could

652
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: play those two teams off each other. It's it's why

653
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: it's messy, because sometimes you compare one situation to another,

654
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: like Lamar to Watson, it's not it isn't the same exactly.

655
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Speaker 1: And like you can't compare Rodgers to Stafford, for instance,

656
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Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson. I actually think, you know, the Jets

657
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: won't have to give up as much as those teams

658
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: gave up to get Roger. Um. All right, let's stay

659
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Speaker 1: in northern New Jersey and talk about the John Alliance.

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Speaker 1: Who human they make a huge splash on Tuesday. Tuesday, which,

661
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Speaker 1: by the way, was the birthday of Justin Graver, our producer.

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Speaker 1: That's true, Happy birthday, Justin. Thanks. How old did you

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Speaker 1: turn yesterday? I turned thirty one years young. You know,

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Speaker 1: people don't really talk about thirty one. Thirty one just

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Speaker 1: sneaks under the radar. It would be a big year

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Speaker 1: for you, but well it comes after a massive landmark

667
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Speaker 1: the thirties, who started they start to get lost a

668
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Speaker 1: little lost there it is what do you do for

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Speaker 1: your birthday? Jessica and I had a nice brunch and

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Speaker 1: then we had a nice day together inside watching some

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Speaker 1: Oscar Contender movies. So we're ready for this weekend. So cute.

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Speaker 1: And she got me a nice few gifts, very nice dinner,

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Speaker 1: nice dessert. It was great. Were there any um if

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Speaker 1: you could see marks the look in his eyes thinking

675
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: about the birthday evening, you wouldn't. I think it sounds

676
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: like you had a great time, and I'm not for you.

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Speaker 1: Were there any moments? And I know it must have

678
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Speaker 1: been uncomfortable, but like where you were a part? And

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Speaker 1: did you FaceTime during those like when you were in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom for instance? Uh? No, there was no facetiming yesterday.

681
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: There was a lot of texting with you guys. At

682
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Speaker 1: one point Jessica was like, you have to be on

683
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: your phone so much. It's your birthday and I'm like, yeah,

684
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: it's a really busy. We're trying to plan all this

685
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Speaker 1: free agency and adults. How about it? How about the

686
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: gift from us to you? No emergency podcast? Yesterday? That was.

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Speaker 1: That was tremendous. And you know what, I also have

688
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Speaker 1: to thank a quote unquote anonymous person for contributing to

689
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Speaker 1: our dinner fund last night, which I'm not supposed to

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Speaker 1: know who it is, but I know and thank you

691
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Speaker 1: very much. Is this somebody in the studio? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: think I know who it is. I think I think

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Speaker 1: I know exactly what it is. If I had to

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Speaker 1: choose between the two, both very upstanding gentlemen. But uh,

695
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: because this person wants me to say who it is,

696
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: but should I because I know it's from the playbook,

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00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: because this person has done the same for me in

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Speaker 1: the past for different things. I see, Yes, it was

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. I'm not confirming or to nine. A very

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Speaker 1: generous man, Mark Sessler, thank you well. It was that

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Speaker 1: makeup for the Valdi's thing. Gave you that, not even

702
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: the least because my intention was for it to not

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Speaker 1: be spoken about. But I'm happy that you enjoyed your evening.

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Speaker 1: Justin thank you. Until Dan gets involved, all right, let's

705
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Speaker 1: see Daniel Jones. Two part are here. So they do

706
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: come to terms on a long term deal. It's sign

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Speaker 1: he signs a four year, one hundred and sixty million

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Speaker 1: dollar contract that includes reportedly thirty five million and incentives.

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Speaker 1: How much is it virtually guaranteed, Greggy eighty two? I

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00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: think in the first two years, and then you get

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Speaker 1: twelve into the third year as well. How about this,

712
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Speaker 1: how about looking at Tuesday as a bad day for

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, maybe a great one, because I think he

714
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: will get more than Daniel Jones from somebody, and that

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Speaker 1: will make him very happy, I believe, to look at it,

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00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: that's just another way to look at it. And in

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00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: of course hope so though and he might less this year,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he's aiming a Lot're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: the Lamar. Somebody's going to offer him a big contract, right,

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Speaker 1: Somebody get out him something here. I mean, even if

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Speaker 1: it's not fully guaranteed, be not a showmanship yesterday amongst

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Speaker 1: his team. Someone's great. So the Ravens, depending on what

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Speaker 1: reports you believe, have offered a minimum of one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty three guaranteed, which is, you know, considerably less

725
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Speaker 1: than Kyler Murray, but is considerably more than Daniel Jones already.

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Speaker 1: Um So, because they were able to get a deal

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Speaker 1: with Jones, they didn't have to use the franchise tag,

728
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Speaker 1: which allowed them then to use that on se Quon Barkley,

729
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: who now will most likely stick around. You keep the

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Speaker 1: nucleus together, the two most important players on that offense,

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Speaker 1: and then it's up to Joe Shane and Brian Dable

732
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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler to build up the offense around them, and

733
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Speaker 1: we shall see so much. Obviously, this is all built

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Speaker 1: around the idea that Jones goes from what he was

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Speaker 1: last year, which was a functional to good starter to

736
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: great quarterback, franchise quarterback. It's a gamble, but also there's

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00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: a lot of money out there for a quarterback. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot for Daniel Jones based on really one year

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Speaker 1: where he looked like a complete changemaker. To me, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if suddenly they put Jason Garrett back at his co

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: head coach, I'd hate this deal. But it's full trust

742
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: for me and Brian Dable what he did last year

743
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Speaker 1: and having the ability to continue to do that with

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00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones as really kind of a guy who's becoming

745
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: a top five, top seven offensive play caller and quarterback developer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you think that day Ball can keep

747
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: that going there, you are I mean, this is starting

748
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: to become the price of quarterbacks in general. But this

749
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: was a bit of a head turner that Daniel Jones

750
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: initially started to ask for way more than they thought

751
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: originally at that one point, and then he got it.

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Speaker 1: How about Lamar hires the agent that Danny Dimes hired

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Speaker 1: last week after firing the other guy. There you go

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00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: the contract, which didn't come out until this morning. So

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00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: that's a plus beyond helping Graver's love life of not

756
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: podcasting yesterday is we have the details, and even there's

757
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Speaker 1: an update since the last since I last read it

758
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: on PFT, they had an error. There is not twelve

759
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: million guaranteed for twenty twenty five until twenty twenty five,

760
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Speaker 1: which means in all practicality, it's a two year, eighty

761
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Speaker 1: two million dollar contract and it's fully guaranteed, which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: So everyone's complaining about, you know, guaranteed. He got fully

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Speaker 1: guaranteed two years at forty plus million a year, which

764
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Speaker 1: is a lot, but then they can get out. It

765
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: reminds me almost exactly of the Kirk Cousins contract that

766
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Speaker 1: he keeps resigning over and over because it puts the

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00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: Giants in a difficult position to have to make a

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00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: decision on Daniel Jones almost every year because his cap

769
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: hit as you extend this thing out, they got a

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00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: phony baloney twenty twenty six year in there starts getting

771
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: crazy and they're gonna have to keep renegotiating it. And

772
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: at that point you almost have to decide, Okay, do

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Speaker 1: we add another year of guarantees. That's a long way

774
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Speaker 1: of saying it's a two year deal. But he still

775
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: holds a lot of cards because they're gonna want to

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Speaker 1: go back to the table and renegotiate it pretty soon,

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Speaker 1: maybe as soon as next offseason, and certainly after two

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00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: of these four years, he does hold the cards. But

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Speaker 1: specifically with Daniel Jones, I don't hate this because we

780
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: don't really know what Daniel Jones will be two years

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00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: from now. Now there's the kind of thread of the needs.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even hate this for Lamar Jackson if Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson were coming from a different angle, like heavily guaranteed

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Speaker 1: two years, find out where we are after that, verses

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Speaker 1: four years, five years. If thet thin for Lamar would

786
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: be like two years ninety million plus and then you

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Speaker 1: get some guaranteed into the third year. Earth oh, or

788
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: he's so far below other quarterbacks who have been at

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Speaker 1: that level. Daniel Jones what had the fewest amount of

790
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: big time throws in the NFL last year. Daniel Jones's

791
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: numbers have been terrible. And I've always been on the

792
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: side of like, actually, Daniel Jones could be like a

793
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: good to average starting quarterback, but this is it's a lot.

794
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: I give a sense this is kind of like them.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder how Brian Dable's feeling because he made

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00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones all this money. If there were if he

797
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: had another coach last year, Daniel Jones is bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Totally agree. Yeah, I saw somebody wrote like, if they

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Speaker 1: if they kept Joe Judge around, Jones is probably signing

800
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Speaker 1: like a one year, four million dollars deal to be

801
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: a backup quarterbacks. It's a little, that's a little. It's

802
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: within the outcomes. I mean said, he signs this this deal,

803
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: and isn't it crazy? And how unusual the Giants and

804
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: Jed I was texting with some Giants buddies yesterday. Such

805
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: a funky kind of strained hard to put your finger

806
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: on year. In general, for the Giants, who we know,

807
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: the expectations were so low. You have this new head coach,

808
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: You had a roster that didn't seem to have a

809
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: lot of pieces, a former first round pick, a quarterback

810
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: who had underwhelmed with a bad set up, a former

811
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Speaker 1: number two overall pick running back who had lost his

812
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: juice it had seemed, and then all these different things happened.

813
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: They actually make the second round to the playoffs. And

814
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: now these guys that Dave Gettleman drafted, the quarterback that

815
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: Gettleman drafted, the running back that he took, they get

816
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: new contracts. I know. It's a franchise tag right now

817
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: for sequon from the next regime that took over a

818
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: huge mess that almost never happens like that. You would

819
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: have these key players from a failed regime and then

820
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: build the next era of the franchise around them. It's

821
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: been kind of interesting. Lawns might be next too. It's

822
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: another Getleman guy. They're an interesting team because there it's

823
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: unusual how this next phase of Giants football is unfolded

824
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: different than how it usually works, which is new regime

825
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: takes over and then builds the whole thing from the

826
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: ground up, right but to the Jones contract and what

827
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: you got going on the sequon that if this year

828
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: went south, it's a you're not looking forward for half

829
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Speaker 1: a decade. This is I think if you're Joe Shaney said, well, yes,

830
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: of course, Like I would rather have picked up the

831
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: fifth year option. They didn't assess him to be this player.

832
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: He became it under day, but didn't they give him

833
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: the tag. That's the thing. I think they're making the

834
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: same mistakes that they made with Eli Manning. I think

835
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: this contract could be very regrettable. I think still just

836
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: two years though, I get it. But if if Janiel

837
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Jones plays around the same level but they don't get

838
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: as many breaks and things aren't ready to really take

839
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: that next step, and let's say they go six and

840
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Speaker 1: eleven and Daniel Jones is the nineteenth quarterback in the

841
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: league and you owe him forty two million dollars the

842
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: next year, It's like, and it's not really the quarterback

843
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: that dayboll wants and loves. I just think it's thorny

844
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: when ownership gets involved, and you get the sense from

845
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: reporting that the Maras love Dan Jones like a son,

846
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: and they pushed them to treat him like this when

847
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the tag was sitting right there. I mean if the

848
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: Ravens can give Lamar the tag or you can use

849
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: the tech. Just give him the tag. He's the perfect

850
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: candidate for the tech. Let's see if you can do

851
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: it again and if you get better in this. This

852
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: one was part of this conversation or who got him paid?

853
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: But would you want sa Quon getting a long term

854
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: lucrative deal when he turned down twelve million a year

855
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season. I think we'd be

856
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: having we'd be critiquing the Barkley part of it if

857
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: he didn't get frantishised and got a deal that depends

858
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: on the guarantees we heard from Mike Garrett followed, I

859
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: mean first quarterback that they're they've gone up to thirteen

860
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: a year for Quon. If if that was like a two,

861
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather play sa Quan two for thirty and most

862
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: of it's all of it's guaranteed and tag Jones. Then

863
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: then committing this extra year to Jones and paying the

864
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: extra money when you're see who you're coming from, Greg

865
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: Is and why this is a again with everything else

866
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: of the Giant. They're kind of an interesting team right

867
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: now and unique in some ways, like you don't typically

868
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: pay this kind of money and give out this type

869
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: of contract on a projection of course like this is

870
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: he has not proven he's worth this type of money yet,

871
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: but they're so confident internally that he will be that

872
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: guy that they're rolling the dice a little bit. I

873
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: think it's dare betting on Dable as much as it

874
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: is their guy. It's their in house guy. I put

875
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: something into that. I put something in into ownership and

876
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: the front office. And maybe day Ball is not so

877
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: hot about it, but I think he probably swings a

878
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: pretty big stick in there after what he did in

879
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: his first year that they believe in him. So believe

880
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: in your guys. They did, they showed it and they paid. Yeah,

881
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: it's it is tricky because they weren't there guys to

882
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: begin with. Right, It's weird, as you mentioned, And I

883
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: think Dexter Lawrence is going to be the next guy

884
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: who gets a long term deal and he makes sense

885
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: as an elite interior defensive tackle. One thing it does

886
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: do is it helps them spend more of their cap space.

887
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: This year, Daniel Jones's cap number is way way lower.

888
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: It's at nineteen million, uh than it would have been

889
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: if you got a tag so that would have been

890
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: at thirty one. So they have twelve million dollars more

891
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: to spend and they need you. They got a lot

892
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: of holes. Let's hear from Dimes, who spoke to the

893
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: media on Wednesday. In a situation like this, you're uh,

894
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, trying to do what's uh, what's best for

895
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: you and your family while while also bouncing, you know,

896
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: being part of a team and understanding the goals and

897
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: the vision, uh that we have as a team and

898
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: as an organization. And that was certainly important to me

899
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: throughout the deal and and um, you know, I think

900
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: we found a way to to uh to do those

901
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: things and to to do do it, uh do it the

902
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: the right way for for both sides. So yeah, that

903
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: was certainly important to me. Um. And yeah, I mean

904
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: se Quon you know, I've you know, I've said he

905
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: means a ton to me as a as a teammate,

906
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: as a friend, and means a ton to us as

907
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: a as a player. So um, you know, certainly won't

908
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I won't talk about his business, but um, you know

909
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: that was a piece of it. He's the perfect giant

910
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I know, Greggy forty two and forty six and all

911
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: that but uh, like he's kind of the That's why

912
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: the Mayers love him too. Like he's that guy that

913
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: you could send him out there say nothing interesting, be

914
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: a good organizational soldier and somebody that like Eli, you

915
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: could just kind of plug him, and they see him

916
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: as that type of this this figure yes of stability

917
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: that they could build an organization. He's a guy you

918
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: would want your daughter to date. How About someone who

919
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: can make some more big plays in the in the

920
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: passing game annoy the end. I know the Eagles were

921
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: one thing, but you know he did light up some

922
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: teams at the end of the season about him getting

923
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: the standing ovation for the entire Giants crowd. I think

924
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: you'd want your daughter to date that guy. He's also

925
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: making forty million a year. He's considerably older than Greg's daughter.

926
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I'm saying like they like him

927
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: like you read there as boys. They like him like

928
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: a son. And it's like, okay, uh, Daniel Jones, how

929
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: about you not to be aggressively boring Like Pat Leonard

930
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: was on our show, right, and he had that whole

931
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: sum interview where he sat down. Okay, so they had

932
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: to stay dinner and Daniel Jones told him, yes, what

933
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: I like? He told him what I present publicly. I

934
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: go out of my way to be as boring as possible.

935
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: And it's just like, why, I don't know if there's

936
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: that much like charisma and everything exciting. Everybody needs to,

937
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, command the spotlight. You don't party, boy, you

938
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: don't have to commit, just be yourself. Why to be

939
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: not being kind? I think he's boring, Like that's his

940
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: strategy that he doesn't want to cover because he's self

941
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: conscious about how boring is. So he's like, hey, this

942
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: is all just an act to keep the media at bay.

943
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: It was like, actually, I mean it worked for the

944
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: most outside of I'm not getting that, Johnny, I've been

945
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: I let the record show. I think I've been the

946
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: biggest dime supporter on this podcast throughout his career. The shows.

947
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, as a player, I've always thought, Okay,

948
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: he's a little underrated here, but now he's he's a

949
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: little overrated. The man got paid, well, everybody gets paid,

950
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: just like Gina Smith got paid. How about that, Greggy,

951
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I bet you're happy with that contract? Was Gino Smith?

952
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: This one came down, of course, as always does right

953
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: after we taped on Monday. Um the veteran quarterback who

954
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: had an incredible breakout season in year nine, h signed

955
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: a three year contract extension that includes forty million guaranteed.

956
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: He makes twenty eight million in the first year of

957
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: his new deal. And this is all funny money, but

958
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: just so you know, like Gino comeback player of the Year,

959
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: thirty touchdown passes, maxed out every possible uh incentive, I

960
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: believe on his deal. Got seven million last year and

961
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: it was probably the most he ever made it his

962
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: life far. He had only made seven only, but he

963
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: had made seventeen in his career before this time. And

964
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: now he quadruples his twenty twenty two salary in the

965
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: first year of his new deal. Good for Gino Smith,

966
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 1: I gotta say it, Greggy, I'm happy for him now.

967
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: Is this a lot of money to give out to

968
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: a guy that has had one big year in a

969
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: decade and kind of cooled off down the stretch. You

970
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: could make that case. I won't do it, though, because

971
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: when you have the year that he had, and just

972
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: like with Daniel Dimes there in New Jersey, they like

973
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: him in that building Seattle and they're like, we believe

974
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: in him as a guy that we could kind of

975
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: trust to run our offense and be a face of

976
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: the team. Gino got paid. Yeah, this was a win win.

977
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean, this to me is one of the best

978
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: sporty stories in sports. For Gino Smith to come through,

979
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: it's so unlikely at this point. And like I said, yeah,

980
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: seventeen million dollars in his whole career now forty million guaranteed.

981
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's too much. I think the

982
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: Seahawks actually got him to take a pretty team friendly contract,

983
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: and I think he understood where he was at in

984
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: his career year and he's not as young, he's not

985
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: a first round pick like Daniel Jones, and and that

986
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: all factors into it. But it's a very different contract

987
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: than Daniel Jones. It's really a two year, fifty million

988
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: dollar contract and they can get out of it if

989
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: they want after one year. Really that he's gonna make

990
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars guaranteed uh in twenty twenty four regardless,

991
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: And so that's a lot of money to have to

992
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: just give away. But we've seen teams do it if

993
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: for some reason they wanted to move on and otherwise, Yeah,

994
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: it's a three year, seventy five million dollar contract that

995
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: there was a ton of incentives. There's a ton of incentives,

996
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: but it's three for twenty five, so that's that's right

997
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: around the league average or even below it for for

998
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: starting quarters. I think it's a completely fair contract. I

999
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: think he was a a better quarterback than Daniel Jones

1000
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: a year ago. That's the thing is, Derek Carr and

1001
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: Gina were better quarterback and are better quarterbacks I think

1002
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: than Dan, but it's forty two million less than Daniel Jones.

1003
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: I think it's very much a Sea Hawks situation too,

1004
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: where they were looking to move on from an ego

1005
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: drenched starting quarterback who was clashing with leadership, and they

1006
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: moved on to Geno Smith, who fells Russell Wilson in

1007
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: the opener, which I thought was symbolic and beautiful, ends

1008
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: up breaking Russell Wilson's single season passing record along the way,

1009
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 1: completely changes the way we feel about athletes who struggle

1010
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: as quarterbacks over the first half decade of their lives,

1011
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: and in theory, I think is exactly what the Seahawks

1012
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: are looking for. This Seahawks under Carol want to still

1013
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: be this like team first type situation. Thirty million of

1014
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: this is an incentives which speaks to Gino and the

1015
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: team believing that he can reach those and if they

1016
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: does good for them, And they can also go out

1017
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: and draft someone like Anthony Richardson and have him in

1018
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: a perfect situation to develop behind Geno Smith and figure

1019
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: out what you do at this point. I don't think

1020
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: you stop looking at young quarterbacks, but Geno's not in

1021
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: the way. But you keep a bridge here and it's

1022
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: a great way to end a good story. Hed he

1023
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: end up somewhere else, it would have been an ill

1024
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: taste after the comeback Player of the Year operation that

1025
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: he pulled off. I kind of think they're gonna draft

1026
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: Richardson now if it's perfect, though why not? Sure? It's

1027
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: such a great would he would only he would only

1028
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: sit for so long, like five weeks probably right, And

1029
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: that's where the contract kind of being a one year

1030
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: deal maybe two comes into play if something like that

1031
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: should happen. But who knows. Maybe Richardson is the guy

1032
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: they truly love, and he feels like the guy they

1033
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: would truly love. They just love big traits guys like

1034
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: physical uh freaks. But maybe Richardson goes one overall and

1035
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: they don't get the chance and they end up taking

1036
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman, or Richardson goes talking about ards going

1037
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: on a little bit, Yeah, I mean I think it's

1038
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: a little We would depend who who would trade into

1039
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: that speA inflated, but that's some people around the Or

1040
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: he goes number four overall, the Colts take him, whoever

1041
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: it is. Maybe the Seaks don't get him, so they're

1042
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of covered either way. UM, I just feel like

1043
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: the way things worked out because of the Denver trade

1044
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: and then just hitting um the lotto on gino U.

1045
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity, it's like an organizational life hack

1046
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: here where you could be a contender in the NFC,

1047
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: have a have a season where you're contending for a

1048
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: division title, and grab a potential star quarterback in the draft,

1049
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: Like I gotta do it. I think done well. The

1050
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: rebuilding year went all right. If it falls to them,

1051
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: I umlike, and I've seen this on Seahawks Twitter. I

1052
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: disproportionately followed too many Seahawks fans, but they're they're very

1053
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: entertaining and there's definitely they're already clashing. Some people think

1054
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: it's crazy to draft another quarterback with Gino. And some

1055
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, yeah, what you're saying, it's a

1056
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,479
Speaker 1: life hack, of course do a team hack. Well I would.

1057
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm more on your side that Actually. I think take

1058
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks if you love them as much as I love Gino,

1059
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: and I sort of am rooting for them. Not. I

1060
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: actually think it's it's not a bad idea to do that.

1061
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: And in this kindric kind of reminds me this Gino

1062
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: thing on this podcast. Yeah, just us talking Gino, us,

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00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: all of us. I mean, he's gonna be in the

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00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: NFL six or seven more years because his skill set,

1065
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: to me, translates perfectly to a guy who, even when

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00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: he's not starting, is gonna be like a good veteran

1067
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: backup because to me, he sort of has that like

1068
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: ability to read the field and understand coverages that just

1069
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: age as well, and like that even when he's not

1070
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: starting anymore. Like, I just feel like Geno's gonna be around.

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: He feels like a nice logical endpoint for your victory lap.

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00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: Like today's podcast, great job, Greg, We're all proud of you.

1073
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: You nail the Geno thing. Um, now we can move forward.

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00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: Perhaps I think it'd be organic to move. That's not

1075
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: my style, but I will take a victory laugh. Look

1076
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: at this. Greg literally just ran around the desk. I

1077
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: like that. This the dusty like that. Here's Pete Carroll

1078
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: and Gino Smith. Yeah, when when you guys get your

1079
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: chance and you really dig in, you'll see that it

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00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: Just see Rodgers comes to the gentleman. I knew that way.

1081
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: We're counting on him coming through and doing the things

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00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: that he was able to do last year, and if

1083
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: he dares, he's gonna get rewarded. And uh, we know

1084
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: that if that, if he's able to come back and

1085
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: do that, he's gonna have a great season and we're

1086
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: going to be in great shape. We're gonna have a

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00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: real chance to be at the best at our best. So, um,

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00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: it is heavily structured that way, and uh, you know,

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00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: and he's gambling a little bit in that sense on himself.

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00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean what does that say about him.

1091
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: He's clear about it. They were you know, this was

1092
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: part of it and the perfect person throughout. So it's

1093
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: a it's a really strong part of the contract. And

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00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe why the ownership is so happy

1095
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: with it. Too if you if you perform and you

1096
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: get it done and you know gladly we would reward

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: you know. And so I think that was a real

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00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: combination of thinking that it worked out for us. That's

1099
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: Brock and Salt show on Seattle Sports seven ten am.

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00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: It's like unbelievable. What does it say about Gino that

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00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: he just quadruple the salary to twenty eight million this year? Well,

1102
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: what a soldier, well saying he took as there's an

1103
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: extreme amount of insive integrity. Shout out to Derek Carr.

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00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Saints, because I I've heard some

1105
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: back room whispering that like the Saints coming up in

1106
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: that Derek Carr move absolutely helped Gino get paid and

1107
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: get this thing over all connected, So all connected? All right,

1108
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: let's wrap it up here. The news no franchise tag

1109
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: for Chiefs left tackle Orlando Brown. There's some saucy tackles

1110
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: available to teams if you're looking to overpay for a

1111
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: guy that's a little older but also has a track record.

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00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: Uh casey edge rusher Frank Clark also no longer connected

1113
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. He has been released. The Bucks cut

1114
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: ties with their veteran left tackle Donovan Smith. So that's

1115
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: another dude out there, and the Dolphins say goodbye to cornerback.

1116
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, he's at least where do these various players

1117
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: fall in the greggy one O one well or Lena

1118
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Brown number two overall? Man the the top one one

1119
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: took a beating enfranchise tag deadline. Yeah, and there's been

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Speaker 1: some uh signings elsewhere too or later. Brown is now

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00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: number two overall. He'll get probably the most amount of

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00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: guaranteed money in this market. Now. I think we used

1123
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: to do that, We used to try to guess. Yeah,

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00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: I think it would be because he's only twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: You're right, there are some veteran tackles out there, like

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey. Uh. There there's some younger ones too, Juwan Taylor,

1127
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: Caleb McGarry, Frank Clark. He is very inconsistent um as

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher, thirty years old. So he's down at

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00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: number sixty three Byron Jones. Nice career, but it sounds

1130
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: like does not sound good that he's gonna be able

1131
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: to continue playing football. Unfortunately, and now with all these

1132
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, guys that come off the list when they

1133
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: get tagged and whatnot. A lot of guys are being

1134
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: pushed up. So Baker, who be again at one on one?

1135
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: He's got to be in what the eighties, now, nineties,

1136
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: maybe low nineties, seventies maybe well, Dan Baker remains at

1137
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: one on one, but you just lock him in there.

1138
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: So one oh one is is more of a mindset.

1139
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: It's a spiritual thing. And so it is unfair if

1140
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: you're a Baker Mayfield fan that as these other players

1141
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: are coming off the board. Our editor Ali Bun Purry

1142
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: yes points out, are you going to be comfortable if

1143
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: Mike White and Sam Darnold now pass the Baker to

1144
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: sign the list because he's on this desk when Darnold passed?

1145
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: Fans you have coming at you about this? H Glit

1146
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: not many now, is he? I think it's something like

1147
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: that where he's creepd nine spots. So we will lock

1148
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: it in when free agency actually opens. But yeah, there

1149
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: will be more players flying off this list. Amazing. I

1150
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: love it, the one on one conundrum. Let's take a

1151
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: break and wrap things up with some more lamar chatter.

1152
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: All right, here we go before we say goodbye. Obviously,

1153
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: did a lot of talk about Lamar Jackson in a

1154
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: situation at the top of the show. But it makes

1155
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: sense to talk about what teams make the most sense

1156
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: to you guys in terms of where he should land

1157
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: and and I'll leave it up to you guys, because

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01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: I didn't put too much into all those reports of

1159
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: those teams being out, So you could certainly represent one

1160
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: of those teams in a more meaningful way and pitch

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01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: Lamar on why he should join the team. Mark get

1162
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: us going. I would love to see what um Shane

1163
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: Stikeen and the Colts could do with Lamar Jackson. Are

1164
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: representing the cults right now? Yeah, I'm representing the cults.

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01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: I think that you've got um an offensive mind who

1166
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: turned jail and Hurts. We've got well, you know, the

1167
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 1: collective we and you've got a coach that basically turned

1168
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: jail and Hurts into an high flying Envy Pe candidate

1169
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: and a Super Bowl quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I don't

1170
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: know if like our city, Indianapolis totally feels like the

1171
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: place where star players want to go necessarily compared to

1172
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: like a Miami or something like that. But we have

1173
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: a quarterback need and I think we've got the coach,

1174
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of them stray to your own

1175
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: city and your pitch because this is me I find

1176
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: that is just to be honest, A little little isn't

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Speaker 1: where I would call like the Circus of Stars necessarily,

1178
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: But you've set some great quarterbacks that have played here,

1179
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson would be totally appreciated in Indianapolis. I

1180
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: think he did the chance low after all this quarterback

1181
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: wreckage that we've dealt with and Chris Ballard, who let's

1182
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: be honest, like Chris, he works right down the hall.

1183
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: He's got about one more chance on the quarterback front

1184
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: before the whole ship sinks. Let's get this Lamar thing done.

1185
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: Get Shane Styken off with a good situation at quarterback

1186
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: for another. You know journeyman that you got to sell

1187
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: to the press for six months, Let's do with he's

1188
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: gonna help. I don't speak to them. They've got the

1189
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Speaker 1: number four overall. Pick. I just hate when teams let

1190
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: he has the number. You have the number four for all?

1191
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: Guess I hate when who am I again? Shane? Just

1192
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: don't don't let the cults as mistakes from the last

1193
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: few years. Just change what you're gonna do you can

1194
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: you imagine if Lamar was available for the Colts last

1195
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: year at this time or two years ago at the time,

1196
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: they would have been the team that would have gone

1197
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: after him the most. But now because they've been burned

1198
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: by Mat Ryan and Carson Wentz, then we have to

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Speaker 1: go with a rookie. They do have the number four

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01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: overall pick, though, so we have to see this differently. Yes,

1201
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: it feels, but I mean, don't let those mistakes affect you.

1202
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: And that's not Shane Stiking, by the way, about our coach,

1203
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: who's got experience working with his rep for the organization.

1204
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: You're a public rep, okay. I want to make amends too,

1205
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: as a public rep for the New England Patriots who

1206
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: drafted Sony Michelle thirty first over in the twenty eighteen

1207
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: draft when all the national reporting and local were like,

1208
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: you know that it doesn't quite make sense because you know,

1209
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: Brady's still here, but they really love Lamar Jackson and

1210
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: I was just hoping. I just felt perfect the end

1211
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: of the first round and they took Sonny Michelle, who

1212
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: by the way, was absolutely vital in winning their six

1213
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: Super Bowl came playoff run just because the right cover

1214
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: but now is the time. Now is the time to

1215
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: do it. They're laying low. You know, I've been into

1216
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: mac Jones. But if you have a chance to get

1217
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I think you could find a home for

1218
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, maybe get some sort of pick back, and

1219
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: you make it happen with Lamar. We make it happen.

1220
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: We make it happen. Bill O'Brien, who would you rather

1221
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: have with Lamar Jackson? Probably have like seven or eight

1222
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: people thirteen, But he did coach Deshaun Watson. They're very,

1223
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: very different players. But it just showed to me that

1224
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien can be flexible. Whereas he went from like

1225
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: Hoyer to Watson, he went kind of from Watson as

1226
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: a runner to Watson much more as a pocket passer.

1227
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Speaker 1: And I just think it would make my life more fun.

1228
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: And I would just as a team REP right as

1229
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: a team REP. I'm a huge fan of the Around

1230
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: the NFL podcast, and I'd love to get Greg Rosenthal

1231
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: back on board and bringing him Lamar. That would do it. Really.

1232
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: That's interesting. He's taken a victory lap. He's now referenced

1233
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: himself as a vibrant character up from the third person angle.

1234
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: You're edging dangerously close to having a Neon sign behind me.

1235
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm a human, classic non human move right. They don't

1236
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: feel like that crazy of a out of left field team.

1237
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: I think they would be into it. Yeah, I'm curious. Yeah,

1238
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: they hate the Ravens and that's cool, and they don't

1239
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: really they respect him, but it's a rivalry. It's certainly

1240
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: a rivalry with the Ravens. I guess they lose some

1241
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: control here at this point, obviously Lee, but they do

1242
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: ultimately have the final say about whether they want to

1243
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 1: match a contract. Would you be comfortable traded or losing

1244
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: him to an AFC rival at that level and then

1245
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: having a deal with him for a decade plus potentially,

1246
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: or would the Patriots? You left yourself open to these

1247
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: type of situations to minecraft, you got that escrow money,

1248
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: let's do it. I think the Ravens have to be

1249
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: okay with the idea that someone could craft a contract

1250
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: they're not going to match and they move on. I

1251
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: just think that's part of this. But I don't know

1252
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: if New England, I like, I kind of had I

1253
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: had them on my thing too as a potential fit.

1254
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: But it's like, do you think the Patriots the way

1255
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: they operate, UM would dish out that kind of money

1256
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: for for Lamar Jackson. I don't know. I think all

1257
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: bets are off with the Patriots right now. They've been

1258
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: very unpredictable. They are willing to spend on top of

1259
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 1: the market type guys when they feel like there's a

1260
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 1: value there. And it just feels like the end of

1261
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: days in terms of balochick and things. I mean, they

1262
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: freaking hired map but Trisia to be their offensive coordinat

1263
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: or a year ago. Yeah, I think they're willing to

1264
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: just do some things. Um. I'm a public rep, uh

1265
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: front facing rep for the Atlanta Falcons, and I just

1266
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: want to let everybody know, like we're just joking yesterday.

1267
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: I just wanting to get people mad. We want to

1268
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: get the Lamarmie fired up and cause some buzz so

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01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: that when the reports leak of us whining and dining

1270
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: Lamar come out, it makes us look that much better,

1271
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: like just like, oh, wow, they're playing chess. The last

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01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: Smarmie is not gonna like that. The um and listen,

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01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't overthink things. We got a ton of

1274
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: guap escrow out the ace. We got escrow out the ace.

1275
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: You ever heard home depot? Ever heard of it? Yeah,

1276
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: these are large store fronts, large stores. Go get your

1277
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: lumber bit. Yeah, home Depot. It's like, oh you you

1278
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 1: won your your You got your team because your dad

1279
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: like had a good day at the racetrack. I built

1280
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: home Depot literally screw drivers. Everything you need, hammers, plumbing supplies, fencing,

1281
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: carpeting indoor and out, or grills would lumber deep. So

1282
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: we got the escrow and we also have a head

1283
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: coach who knows how to win with a mobile quarterback.

1284
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: We got a nice offensive line. Uh, Mark, I know

1285
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: you are a REP for a different team, but who

1286
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: we got in the backfield in Atlanta. You've got a

1287
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: wide ranging assortment of battlers, of maulers. I got you

1288
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: a teachump, you got quarter All Patterson, and you got

1289
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 1: is your guy. I'm not speaking about any player from

1290
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: other team I've only I'm not I'm not going to

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak. I'm playing team rep. I'm

1292
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: not Mark Sessler. Okay, fair, fair Tyler, who is that

1293
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: that's noticing? I am now battling myself. Tyler Algier Bang

1294
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: who averaged five point six yards per carry. Oh Kyle Pitts,

1295
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh h Drake London, Oh, a good offensive line. Did

1296
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: I mention a week division? Did I mentioned playing in

1297
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: a dome? Did I mention in playing in Hotlanta? This

1298
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: is this makes too much sense to not happen. So

1299
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: you can have your little Rassini reports out there. That's fine.

1300
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: You could get people fired up on Twitter, you can

1301
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: get the Lamarmie angry. But at the end of the day,

1302
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: we are the place for this guy, and we might

1303
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: not offer him two hundred and thirty five million guaranteed

1304
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: or whatever, but we're gonna give him a ton of guap,

1305
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: that home Depot guap, and he's he's gonna come to

1306
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: us because it's too perfect. It was an interesting move

1307
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: to added the gate rush to let him know we

1308
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: don't we're not interested. That was the one team that

1309
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: playing around the most. But they have the number eight pick.

1310
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: Do you ever where you ever? You ever going to

1311
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: home Depot as a kid with your dad or whatever,

1312
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: and sure you just he kind of set you free

1313
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: and you just start wandering around. It's kind of a

1314
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: fun place to get lost in. Those aisles are like

1315
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: forty yards tall. There's just all sorts of there's a

1316
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: home and garden area outside. The wander out there. It

1317
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: smells nice, the birds are out there. Um, it's fun.

1318
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: I never did that. You never did they did. I

1319
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: don't think they had what home depots in western Massachusetts. Well,

1320
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it was maybe took a while to

1321
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: come out, but you're it's it's a larger version of

1322
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 1: being taken to the hardware store when you're young. Sure

1323
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: it's got that lumber smell. It's had some good time

1324
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: at true value. Sure, how hardware store um, which is

1325
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: the opposite, by the way, And I think Pergament was

1326
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: dating myself here, But Pergament, I believe was a home

1327
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: approven story in the Tri State area that I went

1328
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: to a lot with Keith. The place I didn't want

1329
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: to go to was Marshal's. Debbie would take me my

1330
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: mom to Marshals and she would just, oh, my god,

1331
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: Marshals is a discount um like clothing store. And I

1332
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 1: would go on my it was the eighties, early nineties.

1333
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: I would go on the lap around the store to

1334
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: try to kill time. And by the time I got

1335
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: back to where I left my mom, she was like

1336
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: three feet over in the same aisle. The Marshal's trips

1337
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: were forever a mom wormhole to home. Yeah. Anyway, does

1338
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: anybody else, anybody else have another rep you want to

1339
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: throw out there? What about one little operation here? We

1340
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 1: are in the middle of the country. Uh. And everyone

1341
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: just assumes that we're going to be parting ways with

1342
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: our quarterback and just taking this guy that's played like

1343
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: eighty two snaps and where everyone thinks we're set well.

1344
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: Jordan Love could be sent back to any team anywhere

1345
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 1: in reverse. And we just have Lamar Jackson as our

1346
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: quarterback in green Bay. We love the idea of having

1347
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: the backfield we have. We're a cold weather team. You

1348
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,879
Speaker 1: get Lamar Jackson as part of a run heavy offense

1349
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: and our growing defense. And the green Bay Packers would

1350
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: welcome Lamar Jackson after what we've been through with our

1351
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: rather extra veteran quarterback of the past, you know, decade plus.

1352
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: And we'll take Lamar from here and go. And I

1353
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: think the Packers are this team that sits out there

1354
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: is an excellent fit that's not being talked about because

1355
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: we're operating. Can the Shadows can answer question? I've already

1356
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: said what I need to say, But you're the team rep.

1357
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: So I just want to throw it out there, Lamar.

1358
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: One of the things he's dealt with for a long

1359
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: time in Baltimore is like they don't know how to

1360
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: properly build around him. Why would Lamar want to go

1361
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: to a team that might have a worse skill group

1362
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: than even the Ravens. Well, we don't see ourselves that way,

1363
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: first of all, on any level. And we will do.

1364
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 1: What we'll do is build around Lamar. I mean we

1365
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: will flexibly coordinate our roster to accelerate and you know,

1366
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: magnify his gifts. They might have two first round draft

1367
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: picks this year after that, and that's right. I mean,

1368
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: we're fully set up to build around him immediately. And

1369
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: it's it's the greatest fan base in sports. He'd get

1370
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: the chance to play in Lambeau and like look over

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01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: at Baltimore and say check you later. Nice move up,

1372
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: Nice move by you, Ravens. All Right, I'm not a

1373
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: rep from a team, I'm a rept from the NFL,

1374
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: I guess. And what I would say is there's just

1375
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: so many teams out there that Lamar would really juice

1376
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: up that people are able to talk about it only

1377
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: takes one or two. No, I'm not going anywhere. Could

1378
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: be anywhere in these divisions. Could be Detroit, it could

1379
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: be Minnesota. Carolina still makes a lot of sense. Tampa,

1380
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: they've got a cap situation, but they certainly need a quarterback. Someone.

1381
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna pop up and provide a home for Lamar.

1382
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I though, you're gonna go with

1383
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: Washington because what or what fan base needs a fresh

1384
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: start more than the Commanders. And maybe you have a

1385
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: fresh start from the top down, and then Lamar is

1386
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: your quarterback and you can, finally, after decades in the wilderness,

1387
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: feel like you're onto something fresh and beautiful and exciting. Um.

1388
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, that and you would stick maybe stick at

1389
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: to baltiware that those two organizations don't really they don't

1390
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 1: like each other. I will make one last team rep move,

1391
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: which is h come home, Lamar. You know, we we

1392
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: got a quarterback here in Miami that we're putting it

1393
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: out there publicly. We do support him. We would only

1394
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: come off of twa tongue of Voloa if we got

1395
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 1: a super duper star, an MVP caliber quarterback. That's who

1396
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: you are, Lamar, come home. He's a super duper star. Yeah,

1397
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: he's he was an MVP, uh and he's a top

1398
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: ten quarterback when he plays whenever he plays. Had some

1399
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: injuries but nothing crazy. The Ravens are forty five and

1400
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: sixteen with Lamar Jackson in two and eight without him

1401
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: that superstar. Yes, I think he's a superstar. You said

1402
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: super duper star. Okay, I'll leave it at superstar. I'm

1403
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 1: just saying there's the one thing we haven't really talked

1404
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: about today, which is like Lamar Jackson, is he a

1405
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: superstar or is he a super duperstar? Because I think

1406
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: that might define like whether he ever got his wish

1407
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: or not? And how much do people put in? Twenty

1408
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,520
Speaker 1: nineteen was several years back now to injury plague seasons. Uh,

1409
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: and the production wasn't extremely high. Um. I was looking

1410
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: at the QBR. It was kind of a middle of

1411
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: the pack guy. Last ten years, EPA per drop back

1412
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen through twenty twenty two has gone from

1413
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:53,919
Speaker 1: first to fourteenth to sixteenth to twenty first. Although EPA

1414
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: I have, well that's that's it seems like here's when

1415
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: every time there's any critique of Lamar, it's like, yes,

1416
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: but that doesn't really, that's not really valid. It's like

1417
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson has missed twelve games over the last two seasons.

1418
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: And all I'd say is that Baltimore, as much as

1419
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: any team in the league, when Greg Roman's offense, when

1420
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: it works for the first couple of years, made it

1421
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: about as Lamar friendly as possible. You'd have to go

1422
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: do that in Miami, where you have Tyree Hill and

1423
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: Jail and Waddle. I am fully confident that would be

1424
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: an extremely Lamar I think it's a great fit. But

1425
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: that's I'm just saying of any of these about any quarterback,

1426
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: but I just can't. I don't think you stick Lamar

1427
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 1: Jackson to do any offense without it being Lamar was

1428
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: in QBR this best season behind Jacoby Brissette. UH year

1429
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: before he was seventeenth behind rookie Mac Jones UM. So

1430
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: that's the only I'm certainly like. Aaron Rodgers is twenty

1431
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: sixth in QBR, and I just think, using your eyes,

1432
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: if super duperstars top five quarterbacks, he's not there right now.

1433
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: He's not. Do I think there'd be a chance he

1434
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: can get back there, certainly, but he's not there. He's

1435
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: more in the six to ten rings. So I'll just

1436
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: say like my final kind of thought on the situation.

1437
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: And because if there is any type of backdoor conversations

1438
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 1: going on with owners on how to handle this, you know,

1439
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: that's something that needs to be brought to light. But

1440
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: if you are not in that top five, should you

1441
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: be getting the type of contract that is nearly unprecedented

1442
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: in the league? Is that carve away conspiracy theories? Is

1443
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: that partly at the heart of this No, And it

1444
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: happened last year with a quarterback, right because with two

1445
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: Kyler and Deshaun Watson. I mean, I'm dan, I'm with you.

1446
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: I just I think that I think Lamar Jackson's a

1447
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: tough long term sign. I really think that I wish

1448
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: you could craft like a two year deal that like

1449
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 1: rewards him richly for the player he is, which is

1450
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: unlike any other player in the league. And I think

1451
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: it would make it easier for teams. Okay, so try

1452
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. I don't know about two, but three,

1453
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: maybe try it. Talk to him, don't cancel yourself. See

1454
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: if we can creative, because it's that's the weirdest thing.

1455
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: Seems like he kind of wants out of Baltimore, or

1456
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: that the Ravens are ready to do this seat. See

1457
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: what you can come up with. Maybe it will work,

1458
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: maybe it won't. Yeah, all right, that's it. Thank you

1459
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: and everybody for listening. Uh subicized edition of Around the

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01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: NFL with good reason. We'll be back, uh sooner than

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: you might expect with Around the AFC and forty eight

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01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: minutes with the Great Colleen Wolf Around the NFC and

1463
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes will follow soon after that. So a

1464
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: big week and of course we are on standby. We

1465
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: took Tuesday off because it was Justin's birthday, but otherwise

1466
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 1: we are locked and loaded for whatever it may come next.

1467
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: And Justin something on escrow real quick, real quick, real quick.

1468
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: Nailed it. As you put the money away, Greg was

1469
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: spot up. Okay, Greg, go around the Dusky. It's a

1470
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,799
Speaker 1: one time bit. He's a call