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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety, episode

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Speaker 1: one of Daily Day production of My Heart Radio. This

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Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: america share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, June sixth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my name's Jack O'Brien. Wait, I'm thrilled to be

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Speaker 2: just gloss over the day, Jack. Yeah, oh shit, I

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Speaker 2: am almost National yo yo day, freak. It's National iewear Day,

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Speaker 2: It's World Past Day, It's D Day quite literally June sixth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty four, land in Normandy, National Guardening Exercise Day.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. National Apple Sauce Cake Day,

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Speaker 2: a National Driving Movie Day, Apple Sauce Cake Show. I

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Speaker 2: wear day on the day after or is it the

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Speaker 2: day that Apple introduces their big Oh ohpak, I am

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Speaker 2: just happened. Yeah, may have just happened.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined as always by my co host

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Speaker 1: mister Miles Great.

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Speaker 2: Miles Gray, Gay Miles Morales, but the older Blazian one

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Speaker 2: who's in the middle aged. Okay, I just saw the

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Speaker 2: Spider Man movie. This weekends fantastic. Yeah, yeah, all right, Miles,

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Speaker 2: we did it.

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Speaker 1: We broke the damn format for the first time in

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Speaker 1: the history of the show.

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Speaker 2: We are doing a new publication schedule.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the first full episode of the

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Speaker 1: week on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: We've scaled back to a mere eight episodes this week,

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Speaker 2: they meager eight episode.

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Speaker 1: We've scaled back to a meager eight episodes, and we're

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Speaker 1: trying some new episode formats and this is one of them.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to some listeners today. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to an astrophysicist. In that order ye going

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Speaker 1: to talk to We're going from high to low.

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Speaker 2: That's right, exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So basically the idea is we, you know, spent one

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Speaker 1: thy five hundred dish episodes talking to me.

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Speaker 2: Really fifteen that long? I mean, it's been that long.

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Speaker 1: It's been it's been a lot, but we've been talking

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Speaker 1: to I'm sorry, Is it weird to you that it

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Speaker 1: that it disturbs or it's I mean, I find it

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Speaker 1: weird that it's kind of kind of disturbing.

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Speaker 2: That we've done that many episodes. I'd be like, and Jack,

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Speaker 2: we've done it. We've done so many I'm like, what

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Speaker 2: I feel like Uma Thurman and kill Bill when she's

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Speaker 2: like looking at like the lines on her hands to

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Speaker 2: figure out how long she's been in a coma, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I also find it disturbing how hard it is

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Speaker 1: for me to do this other format revolting. Yo, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where's the comedy guest ZiT gang?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all. This is like every human being,

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Speaker 2: when you get used to doing things a certain way,

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Speaker 2: it's very very hard to do something new. And like

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Speaker 2: the whole time, I was like, but this is what

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Speaker 2: every day. But it's working out. It's working it is, And.

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Speaker 1: Big shout out to super producer Justin, superducer Brian, all

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Speaker 1: the supers producers because it's a it's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a heavier lift, and we're still figuring it out

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Speaker 1: as we go, but we're very excited about the two

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Speaker 1: conversations we had for this episode. Yesterday was kind of

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Speaker 1: more of a trending episode, catch up on all the

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Speaker 1: stuff we missed over the weekend. Uh, And this episode

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Speaker 1: we're talking to different people, people who aren't you know,

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Speaker 1: other podcasters other podcasters.

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Speaker 2: So we're doing we're doing kind of a mixed expert

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Speaker 2: and mail bag episode in this first episode to kind

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Speaker 2: we are going to give you a sample of what

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Speaker 2: we asked you, guys, Hey, what's something interesting about your job? Like,

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Speaker 2: what are What's something you learn in your job with

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Speaker 2: something people don't understand about your job? What you know,

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Speaker 2: to have to share with people. Yeah, you're up top. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we said a message, hit us up on Discord,

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Speaker 2: on Instagram, wherever, wherever we're at, at us, d m

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Speaker 2: us whatever, but tell us some wild things about your work.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna this story. This is like one

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Speaker 2: and say, I'm just gonna read their their their their

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Speaker 2: DMA said, I'm in a pretty niche field. So I'm

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Speaker 2: a veterinary pathologist. Basically means I did extra board certification

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Speaker 2: after vet school. Veterinary pathologists equals autopsies on animals to

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Speaker 2: figure out why the animal died, and biopsies to diagnose

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Speaker 2: your dog's cancer, such, et cetera. So detective basically, So

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Speaker 2: for simplicity steak, simplicity steak, Actually for simplicity's sake, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I guess CSI slash medical mysteries for animals. But wait, wait,

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Speaker 2: I get even more niche. I specifically sub specialized in

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Speaker 2: voice for the voiceless and such anyways weirdest case because

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Speaker 2: again we're saying, what's the weirdest or wildest thing that happened.

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Speaker 2: So this veterinary pathologist says. Weirdest case during my residency

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Speaker 2: came at the Wildlife Diagnostic Center I was at. I

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Speaker 2: cloud of white smoke billows into my face. Couldn't help

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Speaker 2: but we always look at the organs microscopically too. I'm

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Speaker 2: totally vibing out while performing autopsies on these birds. I

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Speaker 2: dead bald eagles. You could say MRCA changes that I

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Speaker 2: signed microscopically, and these three eagles were nonspecific but technically

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Speaker 2: could be attributed to a cocaine overdose. I guess someone

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Speaker 2: all right, pe So shout out to that was. That

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Speaker 2: more of that, Daddy. That was so good. Bald eagles

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Speaker 2: coked like cocaine covered bald eagles and trash bags like

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Speaker 2: I feel like an AI couldn't have even like generated

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Speaker 1: So and people are hiding cocaine in landfills. They're like

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Speaker 1: burying their cocaine and landfill former interesting to me, the

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Speaker 2: Chemist in me is like, what are you what? Maybe

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Speaker 2: don't know, but anyway, those are the kinds of stories

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Speaker 2: to get from you all, So please keep writing in

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Speaker 2: because as we go through these are like, oh yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: do such fascinating things. And all I do is sit

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Speaker 1: So an incredibly high bar set from that person literally

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Speaker 1: figuratively amazing work. So we're going to take a quick

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Speaker 1: break and when we come back, we're going to actually

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Speaker 1: call all a phone on the telephone who sent in,

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Speaker 1: you know, let us know some interesting things about their

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Speaker 1: job as a pizza delivery man that we had some

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Speaker 1: when they're delivering pizzas. So we are going to be

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Speaker 1: right back and we will talk to Hugo Boss on

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Speaker 1: the discord.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Hello, you go, Hugo bos What gentlemen, I'm just gon

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Speaker 3: do this like I do every phone call in a

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Speaker 3: professional setting and open it up with.

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Speaker 2: So we're here with Hugo Bosk. I'll get the discord

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Speaker 2: from the Discord. Also, I'm guessed, like I've said before,

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Speaker 2: I think when we referenced your name from AKA, that

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Speaker 2: you're referencing the bounty hunter. Correct.

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Speaker 2: Jack, you know all about Bosk. Correct.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't call myself a boss expert, but

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Speaker 4: I definitely I'm a Star Wars fan for sure.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I was. I was shaming our other Star

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Speaker 2: Wars expert Jack just now asking a lot about just learning.

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Speaker 1: I'm like going through a crash course, but your your

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Speaker 2: Up in my damn household. People don't know what a

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Speaker 2: trandoshan is. Jack, That's the thing. They look like the

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Speaker 2: What have we even calling this? Jack? Yeah, Worker interviews,

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Speaker 2: zite gang?

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Speaker 1: I think is it those where to take a whiz y'all?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And you know, we we had some people who worked

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Speaker 1: for certain we're gonna, you know, keep doing this segment.

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Speaker 1: We had some people who like do all sorts of

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Speaker 1: really like high brow crazy stuff. But as it is,

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Speaker 1: when I'm making my decision of where to order pizza,

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Speaker 1: we gotta go Dominoes. You know, doesn't doesn't matter what's

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Speaker 2: But no, you go.

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Speaker 1: You wrote in and basically said that being a Domino's

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Speaker 1: pizza delivery driver is a fascinating angle to view the

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Speaker 1: What are what are things that you are seeing as

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the most interesting thing about it

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Speaker 4: it's I mean, I feel like there are a lot

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Speaker 4: of jobs, and I've had many of them where you

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Speaker 4: you know, sit behind a desk all day or you

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Speaker 4: stand behind a counter all day and you just interact

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Speaker 4: And this job is it's fascinating in that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, like do do people in mansions? Do their

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Speaker 2: Homes, right right.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things I was genuinely most surprised

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Speaker 4: Right, I would think if nothing, they could at least

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just go right back to it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially with the way in which you know, houses

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Speaker 1: Right, I feel like wealth like probably there's some shared

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Speaker 2: Right, Like I feel like I see this all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say there's definitely a different, like a

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Speaker 4: I've been delivering for like seven years now because the

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Speaker 4: I think I've only ever had one said somebody was

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Speaker 4: we were insanely busy when I was two and a

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Speaker 2: That's gotta be a tough But what did the tracker

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Speaker 4: Well, okay, just to roll in on a little secret

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Speaker 1: We heard that and that I didn't want to believe it,

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Speaker 1: And the whole podcast has actually been building to this

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Speaker 4: They do use the real names, although it is like

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Speaker 2: Right? How many? How many people like answer the door

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So that was actually one of the things that

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Speaker 4: I was genuinely shocked by with this job is the

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Speaker 2: Up seeing, like for real, for like for real, for real?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, mostly dicks.

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Speaker 1: What I know, I know, I've heard everything. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: wrote in your thing like more, I've seen more dicks

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I just between when we did a

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Speaker 2: Enough right with the So is how freak? How frequent?

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Speaker 2: Just real quick, like, how frequently is that happening?

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Speaker 4: I mean I've been doing this for about seven years now.

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Speaker 2: Damn. So is it always on some like predatory ship

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Speaker 2: Like are people just trying to like flash you like that?

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Speaker 4: I have some theories about this. Part of it. I

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Speaker 2: Oh so like you're looking at people like with eyes

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, people with eyes red like stop signs.

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Speaker 2: Right right right? Oh got it? Because part of me

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Speaker 4: Eh ye, I mean I will say there the very

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Speaker 2: Of he was wielding a hammer. Fanness, he did seem

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody shows up to the door and naked with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, but they don't, so they there's not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just just Donald Duck in it. And yeah, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I hate to say it, but in

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Speaker 1: I'm always amazed by that, Like how many people have

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Speaker 2: Unless you are unless you showed up to the Dick Show, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I always think too about I mean,

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Speaker 4: This could all just be a hitchcocky and plot to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but who would be a behind such a thing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does seem to happen enough that I'm like,

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Speaker 2: People, right right? It can't just be me. What's I mean?

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Speaker 2: Tell me like just sort of from you know, from

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Speaker 2: What's the shit that irks you the most about the

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Speaker 4: Uh Well, part of it is that the franchisees are

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, what are those like? So what are those

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Speaker 2: Right.

437
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 4: I Mean these are people who just like they bend

438
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 4: like a compound way way outside of the city.

439
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: And siphoning money from this.

440
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 4: Right, and then they just have the managers that they

441
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 4: send around to you know, make sure everything is basically

442
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 4: running and collect the checks so to speak. Right, And

443
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 4: I suspect that that this level of gentry for lack

444
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: of a better term, that every like major city in

445
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 4: town is full of these kinds of people, or rather

446
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 4: it is its power structure is full of these kinds

447
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 4: of people.

448
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: Right, people are just like, ah, this is just passive money.

449
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: I just get to sit back and not do this

450
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: job in any way and make other people's lives miserable.

451
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: But I'm insulated enough from it that, oh yes there was.

452
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: I worked with somebody who's family were like the like

453
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: in the top five franchise owners of Dominoes, and like,

454
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: for the longest time, I was like, what what do

455
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: y'all do but this and the like? And like one

456
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: of my other friends like, it's all Domino's money, Like

457
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 2: they have a seventy wretch or some obscene number of

458
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: franchises that they just sort of like, yeah, and that's

459
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: kind of where all the money comes from. And I didn't. Yeah,

460
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: like I failed to realize like those sort of mini

461
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 2: like fiefdoms of like owning numerous franchises. That's wild. I'm

462
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: also curious, like what are I think you know, Jack,

463
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: we were talking about like we kind of want to

464
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: do overrated and underrated too.

465
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what's something that you like about your job

466
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: or like a skill that your job kind of requires

467
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: or has like given you access to.

468
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I will say the two most underrated things

469
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 4: about the job. One is I get to listen to

470
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 4: podcasts all day, and that is I'll be honest, It's

471
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: part of the reason it's hard to leave that job,

472
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 4: the idea of having to work in a place where

473
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 4: I have to like just my own thoughts and just

474
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: stand there doing whatever in my head all day instead

475
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 4: of just getting to listen to podcasts all day and

476
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: hand people who change for money that don't know if

477
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 4: I can go back guys. But also it definitely and

478
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: I've had prior jobs that sort of did this to

479
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 4: a degree. I worked at a call center for comcasts

480
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: many years ago. It just sort of forces you to

481
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 4: be a level of social that I think a lot

482
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 4: of people are no longer forced to be, where insofar

483
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: as you're social, it comes to this extremely mediated interaction

484
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 4: where you're like worldway through like a sort of pre

485
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 4: written conversation. Whereas, at least in the context of being

486
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 4: a pizza guy, I mean, the you know, the interaction

487
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: you have often are fairly perfunctory, but there's still real

488
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 4: in a way than any other job that I have,

489
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: because people are always happy to see you. Yeah, nobody

490
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: pissed off because their pizza has arrived, right and so

491
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 4: you do get to see. Sorry, I'm trying to think

492
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: of like a way to articulate this.

493
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: Is it like heartening, it's like life affirming in a way,

494
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: or is.

495
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 4: It in a way? I mean it isn't. It isn't

496
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 4: the sure the where when you asked before about like

497
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 4: the thing that is most frushed about the job, what

498
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 4: came to mind was people who don't tip. Sure, as

499
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 4: far as I concerned, our moral monsters.

500
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well yeah, the way this country operates like

501
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: it's incumbent on on tipping.

502
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: Right, You would think over time I would get more

503
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: used to it and just eventually stop caring. But if anything,

504
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: the longer I do the job, the more just every time,

505
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: it just feels like a core betrayal of the social.

506
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: Compact, right right, Yeah, I be wrong.

507
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 4: I understand the history of tipping and that it was

508
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: originally instituted for like racist reasons and stuff like that.

509
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, after slavery. But yeah, but but look at but

510
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: here we are now and now everybody suffers under that

511
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: ship exactly exactly.

512
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 4: And and that's the thing is, at the end of

513
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 4: the day, if you can afford to order your home,

514
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: you can afford to tip, right, it just just full

515
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 4: stop it. It's like going to a restaurant through a

516
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 4: bar and then not tipping your waiter or your bartender.

517
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: Like it's just as rude. Sure, sorry, I put some frank.

518
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Totally. I think it's anything I see all the time.

519
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: People debate this though, like about like I'm not tipping

520
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and like do you understand like what

521
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: the the toll? It would a take on your vehicle

522
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: if you have it's your own car, and then that

523
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: there's gas and these other there's It's not just like well,

524
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: that's what they get paid to do. There's all these

525
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: other parts of a job that I think a lot

526
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: of people don't understand or or really look at it

527
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: very narrowly as to who does or does not you know,

528
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: deserve a tip, like in a given industry.

529
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 4: I mean, I do think that there is an extent

530
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 4: to especially if you don't take the time to pay

531
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: attention to it. These sort of like logistics behind how

532
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 4: everything works are sort of masked for most people, and

533
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 4: so unless you really spend the time to look into it,

534
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: you sort of end up with these very almost like

535
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: magical thinking perceptions of the world. Like I based on

536
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: interactions that I've had with customers, I think there is

537
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 4: a substantial percentage of them who think the pizza just

538
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: comes out of like a magical hole in the wall. Yeah, right,

539
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: Like people will come in and ask for food and

540
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 4: then we'll be like, Okay, it's gonna be like ten

541
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 4: to fifteen minutes to make, and they'll be like, you

542
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 4: don't have it ready, Like.

543
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: The words just left your mouth, my dude.

544
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I think it's masked intentionally, right, Like

545
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: that is more and more of the world that we're

546
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: built into. Is that everything, like all the behind the

547
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: scenes stuff, like that's what Amazon puts behind a wall.

548
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: That's what a lot a lot of these you know,

549
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: food delivery services put behind a wall is. And I

550
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: guess Domino's was at the at the forefront of that

551
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: of just getting rid of any human interaction other than

552
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: like that quick transactional moment like that. That's what the

553
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: people who build this system called friction, and they want

554
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: to like create less friction. And it's like it's very

555
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: bleak and also makes us all dumber.

556
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: I think it's of a sell it, But to be honest,

557
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: I think it's a form of oblique union busting. Right

558
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: that essentially, after the sort of the height of unionism

559
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: in like the sixties and seventies, capital started to rearrange

560
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: the actual physical terrain of how businesses are put together

561
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: in order to prevent unions from arising. Like now factories

562
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: are out in the middle of nowhere instead of in

563
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 4: a city where they have like a set of third

564
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: plate of bars and stuff like that around them, where

565
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 4: like people can get together after work and talk to

566
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: their coworkers. Now, you know, if you work in a factory, yeah,

567
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: you're out in the middle of nowhere. You live in

568
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 4: a house that's out in the middle of nowhere that

569
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: you drive thirty miles to and then you drive back

570
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: to your house. Everyone is literally atomized in a way

571
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: that exactly. I don't want to sound like conspiracy brainout

572
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: it because I don't think that it's that. I do

573
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: think that it's more like aggregate classes acting in their

574
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: own interests, right, But the asymmetry of power because they

575
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: have so much more money and political access, allows them

576
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: to rearrange that terrain. And I think that that's true

577
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: with stuff like like like that masking is just a

578
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: side effect of that process. I think right that if

579
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: you can't see the labor conditions, then you can't even

580
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: build the awareness necessary to overcome them.

581
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yeah, for sure.

582
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: Why would I worry about this guy who just gets

583
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: the pizza out of the.

584
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: Hole in the wall down the street from me and

585
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: brings it to me in a duffel bag takes twenty

586
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: minutes to get it from the hole in the wall

587
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: to my mouth. The hell?

588
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I always think about that. There's this anecdote that like

589
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: London cab drivers have like this super powered part of

590
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: their brain that you know, they have access to, just

591
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: like and now obviously we have GPS, but like, is

592
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: there anything that you know better than you know people

593
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: might expect based on what's it's a superpower?

594
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you definitely, at least for your delivery

595
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: area or mine. I suppose you do get like a

596
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: perfect mental map after a while, to the point where

597
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: people can just tell you where they're at. In a

598
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: more general sense, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I know

599
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: exactly where to find you, or you know all the

600
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: little like tricks of oh, this building is impossible to

601
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: park at, so here's where you have to go instead

602
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: in order to get to them. And also you you

603
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: sort of you see the insides of lots of places,

604
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 4: and people just sort of freely give you the like

605
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: access codes to their buildings or offices constantly, to the

606
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: point where I often think about how like if somebody

607
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 4: wanted to, you know, be like a like a serial thief,

608
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: become a pizza driver. Like people will just give you

609
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: access to everything. It's wild.

610
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I guess like the sort of your defenses

611
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: go down because they're like, well, they're only here to

612
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: deliver the thing and not remember how to get into

613
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: this bank building.

614
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: Well not just like you. You almost get treated as

615
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 4: like like background noise. Like I've definitely delivered to like

616
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: business meetings where people are like discussing high level stuff

617
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 4: and I am just not there as far as they're concerned, Right,

618
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 4: I am just like a like a like a Star

619
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: Wars droid. It's just like putting pizzas on the table

620
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: for them, and that can just be safely ignored, right right.

621
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Ye, Ocean's eleven needs to hire a Domino's delivery driver

622
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to their crew. Domino's ca Burglar.

623
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: That's just the new way to you infiltrate, Like the

624
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: Capitol just like, oh no, just going to the ray

625
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: Burn building, just with some pizzas to Senator Schumer's office

626
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: and then just like who stuff.

627
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I I genuinely wonder sometimes if any

628
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: like clever foreign power has ever like gotten a guy

629
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: into the Pentagon by literally just waiting until they ordered

630
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: a pizza and then intercepting that and sending their own

631
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: guy in. Because I'm sure they can.

632
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: Get that all the time where I've been like access

633
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: controlled buildings and like you can tell someone's getting like

634
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: a delivery and you just open the door. You're like, yeah,

635
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: yeah you can, you're dropping something off, go ahead, And

636
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: I never bets. I'm like they, I don't know they

637
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: had a shopping bag. It all seems up and up. Well,

638
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: one thing I like to ask, right because I'm a

639
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: big fast food head and food head in general, it's

640
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: actually a two part question. Are the secret codes real

641
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: at Dominoes? And are this? Is there a secret menu

642
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: at Dominoes?

643
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, there aren't as far as I'm aware

644
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: secret codes. If there are, nobody's revealed them to me.

645
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: And I feel like I've been far and away the

646
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: longest serving peace person at that store. So if there were,

647
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: I feel like I would have found out about them.

648
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: But do you know what I'm talking about, like about

649
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 2: like there's like these coupon codes.

650
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean there are like codes that only

651
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: we as employees can use that are just for us.

652
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: But to be honest, I don't know if it varies

653
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 4: from franchise to franchise, but the ones that buzz not

654
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Speaker 4: actually as good. It is the ones the customers happier discus.

655
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: Right right, they're like, what did we say? You go

656
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: three pepperonis on there? That's it. Don't don't lose your ship.

657
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 4: Now, insofar as the secret menu goes, there are definitely

658
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: like combinations of food that we make for ourselves that

659
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: are not on the menu. Yeah, okay, Like I I

660
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: do like what what I've called the heart Attack special,

661
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: which is the Wisconsin three cheese with salami.

662
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: Onto something called the Wisconsin three Cheese Amazing.

663
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: It's yeah, and you tucked the salami in under the

664
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 4: cheese for the layering, yeah, John style. Yeah. And they

665
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: just they just debuted that new loaded tot item a

666
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: little while back, and we've been experimenting with mixing that

667
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 4: with the chicken and doing like a thing where it's

668
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: like cheese blend and some bacon and then doing like

669
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: a menu hob and arrow sauce drizzle and like some

670
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 4: of the regular like hots of Barbie sauce combined with

671
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: that for like a real like good sort of spicy savory. Yeah,

672
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 4: it's it's good stuff. But yeah, you can't really order it.

673
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: There's not like a way you can be like secretly

674
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 4: ordering it off the menu, because a it would be

675
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 4: crazy expensive and be with like the really good stuff

676
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: that we make for ourselves there, it would take too

677
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: long to make for a regular customer, it would take

678
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,479
Speaker 4: like twenty minutes because we're putting it through the oven

679
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 4: multiple times.

680
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay.

681
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: One of the things I will you know, put out

682
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: there to the listeners as like a good hack for

683
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 4: our wings. Never let them put them through just once.

684
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: Always make sure they put them through at least a

685
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: second time. If you're willing to wait.

686
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Well done, ask for them well done. What you like

687
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: you asked for it like that way, like oh good question.

688
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: So the thing is when you order well done, all

689
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: we do is just like push it back in the

690
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: oven like one like length of the tray back wings.

691
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: You genuinely want to wait the extra ten minutes to

692
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: like have them put it through a second time. If

693
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: they're willing, allis they will not be. Just to warn you, like,

694
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 4: don't be surprised if you ask them, they're like, we're

695
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: not going to do that.

696
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: They're like, who the fuck told you that?

697
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, there's a decent chance. That's the response you

698
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: will get. But if they're cool about it, or if

699
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: it's a slow day that day, ask them if they

700
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: will put it through a second time for you, because

701
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 4: then the wings actually come out closer to I won't

702
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: call them great.

703
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know what you mean, because yeah, then

704
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: they're not when they're feel like slightly undercooked or not undercooked,

705
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: like in terms like they're inedible. I'm like, these could

706
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,479
Speaker 2: get a little bit more of a cook on them,

707
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: just for Yeah.

708
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 4: They did used to have an item which I desperately

709
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: wish they would bring back, and I think they still

710
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: have other franchises, A half dip chocolate cookie. Do they

711
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: have that where you guys are at No?

712
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: No?

713
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, that was that was one that I was

714
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: a big fan of for a long time. You take

715
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: one of those, throw it in the microwave for like

716
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: ten seconds and it just comes out just oh beautiful.

717
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: I mean they should have I mean they should have

718
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: a unified menu with all the states that have legalized cannabis,

719
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: you know, like, I think that just makes sense as

720
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: a general business practice.

721
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: I mean, all be honest, I am genuinely surprised that

722
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 4: they haven't gone the route of Jack in the Box,

723
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 4: where Jack in the Box just openly has it's like

724
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 4: Munchy menu, where it's just like listen, stoners, we are

725
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: here for you. We know where our business comes from,

726
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 4: right right, right, And I feel like enough of Dominoes'

727
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: business also comes from that same crowd that it's wild

728
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 4: to me that we haven't literally sort of just been like, hey, guys,

729
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: we got something for you.

730
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, look weed. You guys like weed? Right, we

731
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: get it. We know, try this new one out. All right.

732
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: Well, hugo, this has been such a pleasure. We really

733
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time.

734
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: This was a blast.

735
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 1: I feel both more informed on you know, your particular job,

736
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: and worse about humanity based on the number of people

737
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: who are showing you their dicks. But yeah, it's a

738
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: very thrilled that you are a listener. You're really smart dude,

739
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: and it was really great talking to you.

740
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 4: Thank you. And likewise, I just if I may say, Uh,

741
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 4: I've Jack, I've been following since the since the beginning

742
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: of Cracked, uh and Miles since you started on the podcast.

743
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: Giant fans of both. You just can't thank you enough

744
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: for all of the first and hours of entertainment and

745
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 4: insight that you all have given me. I just from

746
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: the bottom of my heart, thank you, guys.

747
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: Well, we've are just as indebted to Zite Gang for

748
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: making this a thing that we can continue doing all together.

749
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it goes both ways, and we really

750
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: appreciate you all, especially you for being our inaugural listener.

751
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 4: Genuinely honored by that. You guys, I had no idea, really,

752
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: I you know, I'm almost well enough. It's it is

753
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: genuinely a real honor to be the first.

754
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: All right, Well, you go get back to catching those

755
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: vagabonds out there and get back to your trans ocean

756
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: bouncy hunting ways.

757
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely all right.

758
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: Thanks all right, folks, Thank you again to listener Hugo

759
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: Bosk on the discord for talking us through, yes, you know,

760
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: life out there in these streets delivering the Domino's pizza

761
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: that everyone craves.

762
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I just didn't even think about the like when you

763
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: go to these like like restaurants and stuff where everything's

764
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: behind a wall. Yeah, you absolutely, it just becomes completely obscure.

765
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: And I really never, truly never considered the fact of

766
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: how like taking away that visual of workers working with

767
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: somehow like is a very ghost done by ghosts. I

768
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: wish I had brought that up a ghost kitchen.

769
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, yeah, it's a some mythical character that

770
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: makes your pizza sport to the middle class.

771
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: Actually, yes, that's right.

772
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So with the important business out of the way,

773
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: we also wanted to talk to the theoretical physicist who

774
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: works on astrophysics and cosmology. Was the or I think

775
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: is the Frank B. Baird, Junior Professor of Science at

776
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: Harvard University, was the longest serving chair of Harvard's Department

777
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: of Astronomy and is the founding director of Harvard's Black

778
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: Hole Initiative. And also, is you know open to ideas

779
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: around you know, extraterrestrialism, like what first contact is going

780
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: to look like? The sort of thing that you guys

781
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: have heard me just not be able to stop talking

782
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: about I've sometimes said, like why is why do we

783
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: ever talk about anything else? I sometimes wonder, But just

784
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: a fascinating question, especially right now, you know, we're as

785
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: we're we mentioned on yesterday's you know, weekend catch up.

786
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: There's there's been a constant back and forth on UAP

787
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: in the media, but recently NASA is in paneling a

788
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: group of experts to figure out like the best way

789
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to assess these UAP phenomena. They were like, yeah, there,

790
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: for instance, there are a lot of metallic orbs hovering

791
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: around the globe that we have caught on various you

792
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: know cameras that we can't can't really explain. So we

793
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: are going to try to we want to start investing

794
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: in getting scientific reading, you know, scientific observation of these things.

795
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: And it's it's like it's kind of it's this isn't

796
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: something NASA does. Like ever, they never weighed into the

797
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: arena like about UFOs or UAPs or whatever you want

798
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: to call them. So like it just shows, like as

799
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: as more and more of these sort of clips or

800
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: like videos or anecdotes and things come out about UAPs

801
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: or observable phenomenon and things like that. It's just like

802
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: more and more agencies are like, maybe we need to

803
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: talk about this also. But it's interesting how like how

804
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: contentious it is too, because that first meeting there were

805
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are like, what are you

806
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: guys hiding from us? As like it's kind of the

807
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: energy from some people of course, but again this is

808
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: because it's around like such a huge, like existential question

809
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: of is is it more than this little marble we're

810
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: on And I think I mean, like, like you'll hear

811
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: me say in the interview, like I've I can't imagine

812
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: why we could be alone just given the probability of everything.

813
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not thinking, like, and it's the only place

814
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: that special is here, and I'm the most special one

815
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: here my little boys in the universe.

816
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, there is one part where I think obviously

817
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: suggests that the world doesn't revolve around me as a

818
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: as an individual.

819
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: And I may have cut that out because that was

820
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: one of the most inflammatory things we'd heard on this podcast. Yeah,

821
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: we probably cut it, but I just everybody knows that

822
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: I disagree with that. But yeah, interesting station, interesting time

823
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: for people who are open to the idea of you know,

824
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: U aps and we talk about the very specific case

825
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: of a muamua and all sorts of interesting things around that.

826
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: So we're going to do that right after this.

827
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: Break, and we will be back at the end to

828
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: wrap things up. So we will be right back to

829
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: talk to doctor A Vi lope.

830
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: Av.

831
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us, doctor Avi Lobe,

832
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Doctor A. We're not familiar.

833
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get there in the intro.

834
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 5: You don't need to spend too much time on the

835
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 5: intro and just call me a farm boy.

836
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: Farm boy.

837
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was going to do, actually, so

838
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this next person is a farm

839
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: boy who we found on the side of the road

840
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: to talk to us. No, you know, I've been reading

841
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: you for a while now, but I want to get

842
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: people kind of up to speed about who you are

843
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: and your career.

844
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: You didn't spend your career.

845
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: Thinking about contact with extraterrestrial intelligence, or at least that

846
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: was not your area of expertise, right, Your area of

847
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: expertise was black holes, and then you came across some

848
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: ideas that sent you down this path. So I was

849
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: just wondering if you could describe your career up to

850
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: that inflection point and then talk about kind of what

851
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: those ideas were.

852
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: Well, let's start from the beginning. I grew up on

853
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 5: a farm, and I was mostly interested in the big

854
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 5: questions that were in the realm of philosophy, and I

855
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 5: thought of becoming a philosopher, but then the circumstances forced

856
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 5: me to pursue physics because that was the closest to

857
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 5: philosophy that I could get while serving in the Israeli

858
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: military in a special program that allowed me to fe

859
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 5: finish my PhD at age twenty four in physics and mathematics.

860
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 5: At that point I said, well, it looks like I'm

861
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: even though it was an arranged marriage, I'm actually married

862
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 5: to my true love. Because in the context of astrophysics,

863
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 5: there are some basic fundamental questions that we can ask

864
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 5: about our existence. For example, where did we come from?

865
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 5: How did the universe start? So my first projects were

866
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 5: about the first stars, the first galaxies, and you know,

867
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 5: the most fundamental question perhaps that we can ask is

868
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 5: are we alone? Is there anyone else out there? And

869
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen October nineteen, the first report about an

870
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 5: object from outside the Solar System was announced, and I

871
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 5: did not expect that because a decade earlier I wrote

872
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 5: a paper saying that this telescope in Hawaii pun stars

873
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 5: should not find any rocks from other planetary systems like

874
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 5: the Solar System. We show that, based on what we

875
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: know about the Solar System, the number of rocks per

876
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 5: unit volume in interstellar space is so small that the

877
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 5: telescope will not find anything. So to me, that was intriguing.

878
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 5: But as time went on, this first object appeared to

879
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: be anomalous. It was given the name of Mua Mua,

880
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 5: which means a scout in the Hawaiian language. Also, it

881
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 5: was pushed away from the Sun by some mysterious force

882
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 5: without any cometary taale. So to answer your question, this

883
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 5: brought me to a new subject that I started working

884
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 5: on over the past six years, which is the possibility

885
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 5: that we are not alone, that there might be technological

886
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 5: objects near Earth that were sent by an extraterrestrial civilization

887
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 5: far away. Because you know, just to put things in context,

888
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: most of the stars form billions of years before the Sun,

889
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: and it takes half a billionaeres for spacecraft of the

890
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: type that we sent to to traverse the entire Milky

891
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 5: Way galaxy. So they could have made it here and

892
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 5: by the way, this morning, that was the report by

893
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 5: very reputable journalists that interviewed a former government employee who

894
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 5: disclosed that the US government has a special section analyzing

895
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: objects that are non human in origin and without giving

896
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 5: further details. So it's interesting to see how this will unfold.

897
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 5: And I should say that I myself established a scientific

898
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 5: project called the Galileo Project, where we are searching for

899
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 5: such objects. And I'm about to go to an expedition

900
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 5: to the Pacific Ocean to search for the relics from

901
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 5: the first interstellar meteor, an object that collided with Earth

902
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen, that was four years almost before or

903
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 5: what was discovered. And the US government confirmed the discovery

904
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 5: of this object as being of interstellar origin. So with

905
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: my student, we were first to identify this object as

906
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 5: an interstellar meteor, and the Department of Defense, the US

907
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 5: Space Command wrote a letter to NASA confirming that. And

908
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 5: so we are going on an expedition to retrieve the

909
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: fragments left over from this object, and I can talk

910
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 5: more about it.

911
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: I had underrated how uncommon it is for an object

912
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: coming from outside of our Solar system that like I

913
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: assumed that that's where lots of asteroids or meteoroids are

914
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: you know that that stuff came from.

915
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: So can you talk a little bit about like how

916
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: in common that is?

917
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: And like what are we seeing these things because of

918
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: better technology? Like would we have been able to see

919
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: a momoa in the nineteen eighties with the technology we

920
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: had at that time.

921
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 5: No, only over the past decade we had the technologies

922
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 5: to find such objects. So that explains Fermi's paradox. Who

923
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 5: are He asked, where is everybody? And the answer is

924
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 5: you better use a telescope or check your backyard to

925
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 5: find objects that were sent by an extraterrestrial technological civilization,

926
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 5: and he simply didn't have good enough telescopes at the time.

927
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 5: So in two thousand and five, the US Congress tasked

928
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 5: NASA to find ninety percent of all the objects bigger

929
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 5: than a football field one hundred and forty meters in

930
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 5: size that could collide with Earth. These are called near

931
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 5: Earth objects, and so the pant Stars Observatory was established

932
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 5: in Hawaii for that purpose to find near Earth objects.

933
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 5: These are I mean objects The size of a football

934
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: field is roughly the sensitivity of present day telescopes in

935
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 5: terms of seeing the reflection of sunlight from an object.

936
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 5: You can have much smaller objects, many more of them,

937
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: but you will notice them because they reflect very little sunlight.

938
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 5: And so Muama happened to be one of these near

939
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 5: earth objects. It was flagged by this telescope without them

940
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 5: knowing where it came from, and then they realized it's

941
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 5: moving too fast to be bound to the Sun, so

942
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 5: it must have arrived to the Solar System from outside.

943
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 5: And that's how it was discovered, completely by a coincidence.

944
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 5: And the meteor that I mentioned before was found by

945
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 5: again a set of sensors that the US government put

946
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: in place over the past decades to look for ballistic missiles,

947
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 5: for objects that might risk national security. And you know,

948
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 5: every now and then they see a fire ball created

949
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 5: by a space rock that collides with Earth and burns

950
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 5: up in the atmosphere as a result of the friction

951
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 5: with air. And so in twenty fourteen they noticed this object,

952
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: and with my student, we realized that it was moving

953
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 5: too fast to be bound to the Sun, and the

954
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 5: US government confirmed that. So it turns out that this object,

955
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 5: if you do the calculation, was actually made of a material.

956
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 5: This tougher has material strength larger than all two hundred

957
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 5: and seventy two other meteors that came from the Solar

958
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: System in the same catalog that NASA compiled over the

959
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 5: past decade. So not only it's the first object that

960
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 5: was recognized to come from outside the Solar System, but

961
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 5: also it was able to maintain its integrity down to

962
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 5: the lower atmosphere of the Earth. And so that's the

963
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 5: fundamental question, why are these first interstellar objects like this

964
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 5: meteor orma so unusual, so unfamili and Omoa was flat,

965
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 5: was pushed away from the Sun by some unusual force

966
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: without evaporating. And you know, three years after m was discovered,

967
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 5: the same telescope in Hawaii found another object and this

968
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 5: one was pushed away by reflecting sunlight. It was very thin.

969
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 5: It was given the name twenty twenty s oh. There

970
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 5: was no evaporation observed, and then a few weeks later

971
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 5: the scientists realized, oh, twenty twenty s oh, this object

972
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 5: actually is a rocket booster that NASA launched in nineteen

973
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 5: sixty six. They could trace back the orbit and figure

974
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 5: out that it came from Earth. So we know that

975
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 5: twenty twenty so so is artificial because we made it.

976
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 5: The question is who made o I suggested that it

977
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 5: was also pushed away from the sun by reflecting sunlight

978
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 5: because it had very thin walls.

979
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: Interesting, I mean a blind spy.

980
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: The toy stuck out to me in terms of like

981
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: how we conceive of the search for intelligent life and

982
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: like what first contact would actually be like is just

983
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: the time horizon of Like it's one of the first

984
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: things we learned in school is that, you know, humanity's

985
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: time on this planet has been relatively brief, just in

986
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: comparison to like frilled sharks have been here for one

987
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million years, and like the Bible was

988
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: written a few thousand years ago, So we're just a

989
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: blank like a you know, a tenth of a percentage

990
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: point of that time, like when you're just stepping outside

991
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: of our species and then you step off the planet

992
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: and it expands again. And I've heard you say there

993
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: are lots of stars with good candidates for you know,

994
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: like Goldilocks planets or planets that might sustain life that

995
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: are much older than our star. So we're conceivably just

996
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: starting out compared to other intelligent life. We're like extremely

997
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: young for our planet. Our planet is extremely young for

998
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: potential life sustaining planets. We're just the blink in a

999
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: time spectrum that itself is a blank. So for me

1000
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: it was important context, right, because it makes me wonder

1001
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: if first encounter we have might be with a species,

1002
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: like a piece of technology, or like something that is,

1003
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, more of an archaeological find than you know,

1004
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: aliens stepping off of a spaceship and asking to be

1005
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: taken to our leader.

1006
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1007
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, there are two aspects. One is indeed time,

1008
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 5: and the second is space. Space is huge, and the

1009
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 5: situation is similar to an ant that the survey is

1010
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 5: the head of a pin and wants to make a

1011
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 5: statement about the most distant planet in the Solar System.

1012
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 5: This is a very presumptuous end. That's my point. In

1013
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 5: terms of space. Now, in terms of time, well, let's

1014
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 5: just go in logarithmic steps.

1015
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 4: You know, the.

1016
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 5: Appearance of humans, which were a factor of almost ten

1017
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 5: thousand times more recent than the big band. You know,

1018
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 5: they represent just the end of the cosmic play. And

1019
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 5: you know, we know that we are not at the

1020
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 5: center of the universe. We know that we came to

1021
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 5: the cosmic play just at the end. And if you

1022
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 5: come to a play at the end, then you are

1023
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 5: not at the center of stage. The play is not about.

1024
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: Q, right.

1025
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: It feels like that's kind of the tension that kind

1026
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: of exists when even discussing things like UAPs or the

1027
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: existence of UFOs and things I feel like, for me,

1028
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm infinitely interested in space and the idea that like,

1029
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: surely this we can't be the only people here, just

1030
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: based off of like the probability. But then you go

1031
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: a step further, and like when it's discussed in more

1032
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: formal arenas or even scientific places, there's like you start

1033
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: getting accusations about people like saying, oh, like this this

1034
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: is for this reason. This isn't because someone is actually

1035
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 2: interested in the observable science, or there are people who

1036
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 2: are just reluctant because I think, to your point, there's

1037
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: this idea that how could we as human beings not

1038
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: be the like is this not the apex of living

1039
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: intelligence everywhere? And what do you think is that? Like

1040
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: is that like sort of the biggest hurdle in terms

1041
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: of like really studying or discussing these things, is it

1042
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: doesn't all sort of relate back to our own sort

1043
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: of sense of self importance. Because yeah, I mean, like

1044
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: to you're point, we started off thinking like, yeah, everything

1045
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: revolves around us, like very early on is where we

1046
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 2: get and they're like, okay, maybe not. And we're beginning

1047
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: to shed those assumptions more and more.

1048
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: Like even Fermi's paradoxes, like you know, there should be

1049
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: so many life sustaining planets. Where is everyone? And it's like,

1050
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: why aren't they talking to us? What's their fucking problem?

1051
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: Do they think they're better than us? It's like maybe

1052
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,479
Speaker 1: they're just not interested because we're you know, I've always

1053
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of a fun one.

1054
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 5: The point is that the common sense is not common

1055
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 5: and what I mean by common sense is that we

1056
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 5: should not have an opinion. We're talking about the reality

1057
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 5: that we live in, and it's not a matter of

1058
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 5: having an opinion. Whether we have a neighbor in our

1059
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 5: cosmic street, and whether the neighbor is this or that

1060
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 5: relative to us. That's not a matter of opinion. We

1061
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: of course can have long conversations about our opinions, but

1062
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 5: a better approach is to look for evidence. We just

1063
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 5: need to step outside to our backyard and see if

1064
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 5: there are any tennis balls or other objects that came

1065
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: from the cosmic street. That's an easy thing to do.

1066
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 5: We have the instruments for that. And you know, in

1067
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: terms of waiting for a phone call from a neighbor

1068
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: at home listening for radio signals just because we are

1069
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 5: transmitting radio signals, instead of doing that, we better check

1070
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 5: our mailbox whether there are any packages that arrive there,

1071
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: because the center may not be alive. Waiting for a

1072
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 5: phone call is really not a valid approach if those

1073
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 5: civilizations are dead by now, most of them.

1074
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: We've been a lot on the show about UAPs, like

1075
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: Seen Closer to the Planet, you know, there was that

1076
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: that's become more of a journalistic mainstream, if not a

1077
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: scientific mainstream.

1078
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: But you know, sixty Minutes.

1079
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: Had the story about the nimic sighting off of the

1080
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier. And I think you've mentioned these UAPs in

1081
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: the context of you know, this new NASA panel that

1082
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: is going to be looking to try and explain what

1083
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: these metallic orbs are and the Galileo project trying to

1084
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: kind of eliminator or like offer explanent scientific explanations for

1085
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: what these things are. But can you just talk a

1086
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Speaker 1: little bit about how you encounter these intellectually like these

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Speaker 1: UAP sightings that are more like I think I read

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Speaker 1: that you had a pilot on who had a photograph

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Speaker 1: of like a cigar shaped thing that was spotted over Spain.

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Speaker 1: And but it's not something that you can take into

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Speaker 1: a lab or you know, you know, get data on.

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Speaker 1: So just how do you think about that as you're

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Speaker 1: having these parallel inquiries into Amama and the other meteorites.

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Speaker 5: Well, and the meteor that I mentioned at the beginning.

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Speaker 5: They were observed by scientists by scientific instruments that are

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Speaker 5: monitoring the sky, and the data is of high quality.

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Speaker 5: It's believable. It was published in peer reviews reviewed journals.

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Speaker 5: This is the way science is done. If you look

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Speaker 5: at the UAP reports, they are all based on anecdotal

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Speaker 5: evidence where people by chance found some evidence for things

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Speaker 5: that were not expected. And that's very different because first

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Speaker 5: of all, they were using instruments that are not calibrated,

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Speaker 5: are not under control. We cannot tell exactly you whether

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Speaker 5: it was perhaps the malfunction of the instruments, perhaps these

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Speaker 5: were optical illusions. Perhaps you know, the distance was not

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Speaker 5: assessed correctly, so an object moving close to you can

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Speaker 5: appear to be moving very fast if you are thinking

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Speaker 5: that it's far away. And so that's the problem with

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Speaker 5: past data that you can't really verify it. You can't

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Speaker 5: go back to these events and the examine the circumstances

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Speaker 5: and try to get better data. And what the Galileo

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Speaker 5: project is doing. This project aims to assemble new observatories

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Speaker 5: that monitor the entire sky twenty four to seven with infrared, optical, radio,

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Speaker 5: and audio sensors. And then we analyze the data using

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Speaker 5: artificial intelligence software to classify objects, to distinguish between natural

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Speaker 5: objects like birds, from human made objects like drones, wounds, airplanes,

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Speaker 5: and see if there is anything else. And this is

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Speaker 5: the first systematic, not an ecdotal study of objects in

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Speaker 5: the sky, and that's extremely important because by monitoring the

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Speaker 5: sky continuously you can tell how rare are anomalous subjects,

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Speaker 5: how anomalous they are, and because you understand your instruments,

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Speaker 5: you can figure out their properties very well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well we do have to let you go, but

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Speaker 1: I just want to get you to promise me here

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Speaker 1: that if you do find the evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: that you come on this podcast and break that news here.

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Speaker 2: Could I just get that real quick from you. This

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Speaker 2: is the place to do it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: Last in my last class at Harvard, I asked the students,

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Speaker 5: if you were to find the gudget, let's say, in

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Speaker 5: the expedition to the Pacific Ocean, and it has buttons

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Speaker 5: on it, would you press the button?

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Speaker 2: Hell? Yeah? Final answer, Oh yeah, yes, yes, how many?

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Speaker 2: How many? But like Simon, so half.

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Speaker 5: Of the students said no, because we are worried about

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Speaker 5: what will happen to our body, to humanity. And so

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Speaker 5: half of the students said yes, we are curious, we

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Speaker 5: would like to know what will happen. And then one

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Speaker 5: of the students asked me what I would do, and

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Speaker 5: I said, well, you know, I would treat it like

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Speaker 5: an intelligent animal that suffered the trauma. And I have

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Speaker 5: to bring it to the laboratory to examine it before

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Speaker 5: I engage with it physically.

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Speaker 2: So bring it up. Yeah, yeah, if you want to

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Speaker 2: press about its about on the show.

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Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be huge for our numbers.

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Speaker 2: Probably recovered artifact to this show about the press the button? Everybody.

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Speaker 2: Then a black hole appears. Well, this is a.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting conversation. We really appreciate you taking the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're We're looking forward to seeing how things go on

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. Good luck, Thank you so much. And then

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Speaker 1: I will keep a diary on medium dot com. If

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Speaker 1: you just want to follow what happens there, look for

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Speaker 1: search for A V. Lowe A V I l o

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Speaker 1: E B at the medium dot com and you will

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Speaker 1: find my diary reporting back.

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Speaker 4: What do we find over there?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 1: All right, well, good luck, god speed, Thanks for doing

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Speaker 1: the show. We appreciate you, my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: And that was our interview with av Lobe. Miles.

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Speaker 1: What a first crack at these special, weirdly formatted episodes. Again,

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Speaker 1: can't thank the super producers of this podcast enough for

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Speaker 1: helping us try some new things out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and please keep hitting us up with just anything.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like even if you have an interesting job,

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Speaker 2: like we're hearing all kinds of like celebrity animal wrangler.

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Speaker 2: This is wild, the kinds of things that we're hearing.

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Speaker 2: The phonies are lighting up, Miles, Yes, the proverbial phones

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Speaker 2: are blving up right now. But yeah, again, I think

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Speaker 2: it's it's so interesting just to hear from people doing

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Speaker 2: the ship that they do then just you know, screaming

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Speaker 2: into the void all the time. So please join us

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Speaker 2: on this journey. Yeah, we have a lot of a

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Speaker 2: professional void screamer. I'd love to hear about that. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: absolutely sounds like Miles. Where can people find you? Follow you?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you can find me follow me all at

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Speaker 2: based life form symbol what I'm What am I trying

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Speaker 2: to say? At bay At Based? Find me on Twitter

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Speaker 2: and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Okay, and I'm also

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Speaker 2: on PlayStation Network Miles of Gray. If you've seen me

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Speaker 2: on there, try and you know, step to me on

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Speaker 2: FIFA or maybe we can team up on Red Dead

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Speaker 2: Revolver Redemption because I really want to do that again.

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Speaker 2: Also find Jack and I on our basketball podcast and

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Speaker 2: Miles and Jack good mat booties and man I shout

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Speaker 2: out the Heat. Shout out the Heat. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: so look at look at spo oh making adjustments? What's

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Speaker 2: that like? Darknhead? So good? And what else? Find Sophia,

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Speaker 2: Alexander and I on four to twenty Day Fiance, which

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Speaker 2: will be back up just better than ever this week,

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Speaker 2: along with the new season of ninety that just premiered

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Speaker 2: on Sunday Amazing. Is there a work Amedia you've been

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Speaker 2: enjoying Honestly, the works of social media I'm enjoying are

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Speaker 2: all the people that have tagged me or at DMed

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Speaker 2: me or added me with their super interesting lives. And

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Speaker 2: as much as I'm like, yeah, I guys should to

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Speaker 2: talk about on a podcast, I'm like, this is fucking great.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, please please keep talking to us, Please interact

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Speaker 2: with us, because we love hearing from you. That is

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Speaker 2: what I'm working with on social media.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian

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Speaker 1: and a tweet I've been enjoying is just somebody tweeted

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Speaker 1: two videos of owls and said, there are two types

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Speaker 1: of owls, and owl's apparently run very funny or walk

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Speaker 1: around very funny. They like walk like they are cartoon

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Speaker 1: characters trying to sneak around. And then in another video

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Speaker 1: and now like literally like kramers into frame, like does

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Speaker 1: the like run slide in?

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Speaker 2: Owls are cool.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the media I've been enjoying, the simple, good

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Speaker 1: old fashioned media of owls.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, id they get their eyes that have you

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Speaker 2: seen them without feathers. It's it's kind of like it's

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Speaker 2: probably seeing James Harden without the beer. Yeah, it's scary,

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Speaker 2: it's like a little bit cool.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The person who posts is why you should have an

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Speaker 1: animalle On Twitter. You can find us on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: have a Facebook vampage and a website Daily zekeist dot com.

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Speaker 1: Worry post our episodes on our footnote. We link off

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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a.

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Speaker 2: Song that we think you might enjoy. Myles, is there

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Speaker 2: a song that we think people might And yes, this

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Speaker 2: is a There was a cover of Do for Love

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Speaker 2: for Love, but it's by snow Allegra. But then this

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Speaker 2: is the remix by Black Coffee. So this is the

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Speaker 2: Black Coffee remix of Do number four Love with snow

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Speaker 2: a leg ground vocals. So check this on. That's very

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Speaker 2: I love I just love that song and that melody

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Speaker 2: is just so I don't know, like the first time

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Speaker 2: I actually heard it was when Tupac sampled it when

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Speaker 2: I was like an adolescent, and then ever since then

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Speaker 2: I got into like the real version and every other cover.

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Speaker 2: So this is like a great like darker sort of

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Speaker 2: ambient cover that's really dope. So check this out. Do

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Speaker 2: for Love the Black Coffee Remix.

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Speaker 1: Amazing and we will link after that in the footnotes

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Speaker 1: to Daily Zeitke is the production by Heart Radio. For

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Speaker 1: That is going to do it for us this morning,

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Speaker 1: back this afternoon to tell you what is trending and

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