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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com, joined by Super Bowl champions

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Speaker 1: Shawn O'Hara. You can catch this podcast at All o

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Speaker 1: dot Com slash podcasts. So the Giants stuffer a forty

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Speaker 1: eight to twenty two loss to the Philadelphia Eagles at

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Speaker 1: Metlive Stadium, one in which, to be honest, Shawn, the

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Speaker 1: Giants were never in Philadelphia gets to eight yard touchdown

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Speaker 1: drives on their first two possessions and the snowball kind

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Speaker 1: of started the game steam after that, Yeah, Paul, that's

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Speaker 1: snowball turned into an avalanche. And really for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: in order to have a chance to even win this

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Speaker 1: football game, they had to play well in the first half.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't start off slow. This The Eagles have been

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Speaker 1: the best first half team in the entire NFL all

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Speaker 1: season long. And you know, to not only give up

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Speaker 1: two touchdowns on the opening possessions for the Eagles, Giants

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Speaker 1: putting on their first four, so you you basically spotted

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Speaker 1: them fourteen points. They had two sacks on the opening drive.

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Speaker 1: You can't start football games against mediocre teams and expect

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Speaker 1: I think what we saw today, Paul, was we saw

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Speaker 1: roster discrepancy was clearly evident. Um. You know that being said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants played their best football. Um,

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Speaker 1: But as a player, you're always looking for that bohmer,

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Speaker 1: How how good are we? Who's the best? Well, you

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Speaker 1: just played the best team in the NFC right now,

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Speaker 1: and you found out where you are, found out what

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Speaker 1: your weaknesses are, found out how far you have to come,

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Speaker 1: and the areas that you need to get better at

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Speaker 1: to compete with the best of the best. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the psychological gamesmanship that goes on in the game

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Speaker 1: like this. I don't know if you have ever been

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Speaker 1: on an offense. They gave up two sacks in the

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Speaker 1: first series of a game. But psychologically, what does that

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Speaker 1: I think initially, you know, it's obviously set you up

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Speaker 1: do you do? You start to question your technique? Um?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the first sack of the game, Uh,

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Speaker 1: his past set. So those are the things that can

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Speaker 1: be corrected. But um, you know, when you're playing against

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Speaker 1: and we saw it. I mean, Jamie gilliam has not

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna crucify Julian Love. He's been phenomenal all

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Speaker 1: For the Giants defense, we saw today Paul some things

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Speaker 1: We saw him giving up some big plays and big

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Speaker 1: So you kind of you throw this one away. You

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Speaker 1: rematch in Washington. How critical is it to get those

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Speaker 1: no doubt Leonard Williams is a factor, and not having

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Speaker 1: all right, that's a Super Bowl Champions Shawn O'Hara as

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Speaker 1: here at MetLife Stadium this has been the rapid reaction

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Speaker 1: on the Giants Huddle. You can find it on all

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Speaker 1: of your podcast platforms and at giants dot com slash podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I'm Paulatino. We'll talk to you next time. Everybody