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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: I have Ben.

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Speaker 1: That's Noel. Do you see a wanderer from Afar? Who

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Speaker 1: is that man?

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Speaker 2: Is that Max shoots at Clouds Williams.

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Speaker 1: It might be our super producer, mister Max Williams.

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Speaker 3: Max won't pass the gunshot residue test. Williams.

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Speaker 1: Max with opinions about the President's Williams.

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Speaker 2: Max Howe, that kind of has a slant rhyme to it.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: So Max, you have returned to us recovering from the conditions.

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Speaker 4: Yes, what Okay? Now I'm just gonna just keep go

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Speaker 4: past that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I was on a quick little vacation when I

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Speaker 5: saw some friends up in Charleston. When and saw my

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Speaker 5: friends Michael and Jacqueline, who since the last time I've

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Speaker 5: seen them, had two more children. They have five children,

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Speaker 5: all under the age of eight. Yes, yes, and they're

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Speaker 5: all blonde with blue eyes. My friends are referring to

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Speaker 5: them as children in the corn. And they live on

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Speaker 5: a farm. And yeah, I was like, Michael, I don't

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Speaker 5: get why you moved to a farm. And then like

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Speaker 5: you know, drove the tractor around and shot his twenty

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Speaker 5: two millimeters rifle because that's the that's that's the biggest

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Speaker 5: one I would hold.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't do the shotgun.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, I kind of get it. Still,

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Speaker 5: like you know, Walmart's within thirty minutes of me, but still.

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Speaker 1: You would say the shotgun was too spicy.

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Speaker 4: It was a little too spicy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you see what we're doing here, Noel, I do,

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: We're getting to the the the spicy stuff, the hot

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Speaker 3: the hot juice.

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Speaker 2: What's another name for hot sauce. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I've hit a wall Ua caliente.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough, fair enough?

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Speaker 3: The uh uh the Devil's nectar, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: uh the Mephistopheles sip and juice.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's that's a reach. But we are the milk

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Speaker 1: of Apollo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go for it. Yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So we are returning with our history of condiments, and

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Speaker 1: today we are following up on a conversation with our

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Speaker 1: pal Ben Hackett, guest super producer here on Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about hot sauce and uh, Noel shout out

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Speaker 1: to stuff they don't want you to know. I was

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Speaker 1: listening to a recent recording we do, those holes, those

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Speaker 1: absolute monsters. I was listening to a recording we did

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Speaker 1: wherein we talk about the word sauce sauce.

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny, Ben, I watch a lot of

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Speaker 3: British type cooking competitions, and I've noticed that they accent

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Speaker 3: the word sauce really Unusually, they'll call it hot sauce,

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Speaker 3: not hot sauce or any kind of you know, we're

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Speaker 3: making like a nice Bonnets sauce and there's a real

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Speaker 3: hard punch on the sauce.

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Speaker 1: They spend a lot of time on the.

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Speaker 3: U they do, they do, and they also, you know,

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Speaker 3: they call it a filet absurd. You're close enough to

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Speaker 3: France to know that it's pronounced file What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: It's an odd flex.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of which, check out our crossover episode with Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 2: But Ben, I love hot sauce. I'm pretty sure you

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Speaker 2: love hot sauce. Max I think could take it or

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Speaker 2: leave it because of his condition.

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Speaker 1: He has the condition.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I will say the condition is exacerbated by it.

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Speaker 5: But I also just I just have never been with

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Speaker 5: the hot sauce. I was at a friend's birthday party

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Speaker 5: the hot wings and I ate a few of them,

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Speaker 5: being like, I can handle this, and my friend Rob

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Speaker 5: looked at me, goes, you look like you're in a

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Speaker 5: lot of pain.

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Speaker 2: Now I hate it.

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Speaker 4: I wish I could.

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Speaker 2: You immediately fell out with a case of the vapors.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well as Max is recuperating from the condition,

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Speaker 1: which we are never going to explain. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the history of hot sauce first off, can we. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's so we're talking about when we say hot sauce,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a group term for condiments made with

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Speaker 1: chili peppers as a base. It's true that there are

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Speaker 1: other hot things, right, other hot condiments, sure, But nowadays, Noel,

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, in general, when people

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Speaker 1: as sort of the kaiser sos, the key.

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Speaker 2: Ingredient a million saying yea.

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Speaker 3: And of course, much like barbecue sauce, there are lots

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Speaker 2: There's gonna be you know, more vinegary ones.

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Speaker 3: There's gonna be ones that are a little more chunky,

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Speaker 3: maybe almost resemble more of a salsa. There's gonna be

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Speaker 3: some that are punishingly spicy for the intrepid culinary travelers

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Speaker 3: considered hot, almost more of like a nice little just

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Speaker 2: I like them all.

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily go out for the punishingly spicy ones.

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Speaker 3: I find those to be oppressive and pretty unpleasant. But

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Speaker 3: there are some I think, you know, what is it

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Speaker 2: We should really talk a little bit about that at

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously there's a there's a scale for how

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Speaker 2: I think I find myself living comfortably probably in the

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Speaker 2: middle somewhere. This is where I max out nice. How

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Speaker 2: about you, Ben?

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Speaker 3: Do you like the I know our buddy Matt, who

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Speaker 3: is not with us, who is one of those a

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Speaker 3: holes on stuff that I don't want you to know, likes.

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Speaker 2: This hot as they come. Baby. He's like, give me

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Speaker 2: all the caps, says.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird when we are on the road with Matt,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like because Matt is so kind and polite.

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Speaker 1: It usually falls to one of us to be the

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Speaker 1: person who speaks to the waiter and says true, no, seriously,

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Speaker 1: he does want it as hot as possible.

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Speaker 2: We our boy wants to be punished. He's been a

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Speaker 2: bad boy.

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Speaker 1: He feels bad about something that there's this huge variety

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Speaker 1: also now a wide variety of chili peppers. There's active

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Speaker 2: Being made, right, We're trying to the mutant chilies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out Carolina Reaper, et cetera. So the weird

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Speaker 1: thing is, with a lot of food inventions or discoveries,

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Speaker 1: it's usually difficult to trace an origin point. Hot sauce

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Speaker 1: in the world. They come from what we would call Mesoamerica, Mexico,

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Speaker 2: They would have grown naturally there. I got I got it, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then of course, like colonizers, Am I right, they

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Speaker 3: just kind of scoop them all up and spread them

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Speaker 1: Right, and these are pre European colonizers because chili peppers,

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Speaker 1: just like maize or corn, chili peppers were domesticated by

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Speaker 1: local populations. And oh gosh, I'm looking at all our

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Speaker 1: bad puns for peppers. Little pep PEPs got domesticated really quickly.

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Speaker 1: The use of chili peppers as a condiment dates back

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Speaker 1: easily seven thousand BCE. Like the Aztecs were using this,

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Speaker 1: They were probably grinding up chilis with water and whatever

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Speaker 1: which means the world's first case adea was likely a

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Speaker 1: chili pepper paste casadea.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, Ben, I have to I may have to

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Speaker 2: dispute this.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that they have the shredded Mexican cheese

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Speaker 3: blend at this point in history?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: They? We do know they had some variety of dairy,

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Speaker 1: They did have da Okay, yeah, Now was it the

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Speaker 1: kind of casadea we would recognize today?

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Speaker 2: Probably not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, perhaps more of a caeso fresco type situation.

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Speaker 1: I mean they also know isn't it true that Aztec

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Speaker 1: civilizations or Meso American civilizations didn't just use this stuff

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Speaker 1: as a condiment, they also used it as medicine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's it's powerful stuff,

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Speaker 3: and as we know, oftentimes if you do have a

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Speaker 3: nice spicy soup, you know, can really clear out your

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Speaker 3: So the az Sex figured this out. They use it

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Speaker 3: not just to enhance the flavor of their food, but

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Speaker 2: And again I mean to this, Dave.

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Speaker 3: Actually, if you ask Anthony Bourdain rest in peace, what

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Speaker 3: the best cure for a hangover is, he will say

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Speaker 3: some really spicy food, a Coca Cola classic, and smoke

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Speaker 2: Oh I thought he. I thought he said aspirin. You

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Speaker 2: might have said aspirin as well.

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Speaker 3: The rest of them might be placebo effect, except for

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Speaker 3: the spicy soup, because I swear to God that stuff

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Speaker 3: will cure what ails you, and at the very least

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Speaker 3: it comforts you in some respect, and kind of does.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's because it's like such a a it affects you. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: Oh right, right, right, Yeah, it's because chili peppers contain

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Speaker 1: a collection of things called capsaius aenoids. The main one

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Speaker 1: of these is capsausin, and capsayusin mimics that sensation of

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Speaker 1: heat when it hits where a families show when it

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Speaker 1: hits certain tissues in the human body. Also, it was

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Speaker 1: astonishing to learn capsayusin is part of the vanilloioid family,

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Speaker 2: Wait, is that real vanilloid? Yeah? Yeah, it sounds like

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Speaker 2: a very like white robot or something.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's a It has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the nooid of was that pizza hut? It was dominos, dominoes.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the nooid of.

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Speaker 2: That guy was crazy.

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Speaker 1: That guy had made some really specific choices.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was basically if anyone doesn't remember

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Speaker 3: thenoid it was this like claymation dude wearing a rabbit

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Speaker 3: believe he used an umbrella like Mary Poppins, or maybe

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Speaker 3: it was balloons, but I do distinctly. Remember there was

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Speaker 3: a golden period for product tie in video games, and

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Speaker 3: there was an Avoid Thenoid video game for Sega Genesis

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Speaker 3: as well as one where you could play as the

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Speaker 3: seven Up Dots.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and I did like the seven Up game

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 3: I don't recall anything about it other than you were

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Speaker 3: a little dot with like sunglasses.

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Speaker 2: So he is he?

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Speaker 1: Thenoid is a problem for all pizza delivery folks.

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Speaker 2: Is he a Hamburgler type figure? Very much? Yeah? You

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Speaker 2: guys ever played checks Quest? No? I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of funny because you you'd think it

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure there are some peppers that will make

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Speaker 1: All right, So we know that this pepper, the chili

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Speaker 1: He did not find India. He found instead this intense

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Speaker 3: Oh funny, So they weren't aware of this other kind

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Speaker 3: That's interesting, and now to this day we use peppers

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Speaker 3: Can we can we dissect really quickly what it means

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Speaker 1: So black pepper, the pepper, corn, the table pepper. It's

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Speaker 2: Sure, Oh yeah, please say when? Right? Right?

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Speaker 3: Well, so I guess what I'm getting out here, Ben,

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Speaker 3: Full of that kind of stuff, isn't it. It just

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Speaker 1: Now, so we can give a collective boo to our

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Speaker 2: Are we ready? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Please, let's boom boo on you.

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Speaker 2: Shame on you.

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Speaker 1: However, like the Police Academy franchise, this was not all bad,

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Speaker 1: all right, Max? Do you want to do your Crystal

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Speaker 5: That he's just like, you know, an early edition of

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Speaker 1: New Potus rankings dropped.

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Speaker 4: So still too high. Still too high.

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Speaker 2: Not low enough.

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Speaker 5: He was top ten, though he's he's I think they

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Speaker 3: Can you give me like three of the worst things

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Speaker 4: He resegregated the national government.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that'll do it, Okay, cool, staytamar.

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Speaker 1: He also invented that thing where you have to put

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Speaker 2: I like emoji's in texts. Never well, he's much less

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Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, I got you on this one.

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Speaker 1: H And you know this trade, this proliferation of peppers,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting too, especially considering that if I'm not mistaken, Ben.

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Speaker 3: The spiciness of a chili is almost like a survival mechanism,

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like a like a flower having thorns.

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Speaker 3: It's to discourage animals from eating them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely true, and humans enjoyed that. We'll get

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Speaker 1: won't tell you the Great Columbian Exchange, all right, So

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Speaker 2: A middle passage type situation.

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Speaker 1: Geez really Yeah, So our buddy Christopher Columbus goes back

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Speaker 1: it's adaptable. Spaniards in particular borrowed the word chili from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just let's just call it what it is.

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Speaker 2: Stole like they stole everything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the cool fact that you taught me a

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Speaker 3: Oh God, I love paprika. So paprika is is not spicy.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the idea of chili's being flavorful for people

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Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I agree with you because Hungary loved the flavor, the sensation,

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: I know, you know what I like a lot, Ben,

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Speaker 1: Also, I'm a cheap skate. So if I'm in your

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Speaker 3: Smoked is usually a little bit more because it's this guy.

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Speaker 3: for like pennies on the dollar.

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Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say pennies on the dollar.

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Speaker 2: The last forever, you know. I mean, they really do you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the chili pepper didn't just hit Europe, right,

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Speaker 1: It's now a fundamental part of Asian cuisine exactly.

444
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Speaker 2: But then we're talking about different types of pepper.

445
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 3: We got Seschwan peppers at this point, some of these

446
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: peppers that have almost a numbing quality to them. It's

447
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 3: really interesting the varieties of peppers that are out there

448
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: in the world.

449
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the chili pepper arrives on the Asian continent via

450
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Speaker 1: Portuguese traders, probably in the early fifteen hundreds or so.

451
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: And this stuff is an instant hit. Their affordable, they're durable,

452
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: you can domesticate them and grow like customize them for

453
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: lack of a better word. So they replace black pepper

454
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Speaker 1: as the primary spice across most of the continent, and

455
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Speaker 1: Asian cooks begin mashing up their peppers with liquids and

456
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Speaker 1: other flavorings, making all sorts of sauces a whole panopoly.

457
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Speaker 1: Thailand in particular is the birthplace of something called nom

458
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Speaker 1: prick that combines peppers in a sauce with things like

459
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Speaker 1: fish paste or fermented shrimp paste. Shout out again to

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Speaker 1: our pal Ben Hackett. He is a fellow fan of

461
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Speaker 1: hot Takes and hot Sauce.

462
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Speaker 3: We were talking when he guest produced the show the

463
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Speaker 3: other day about how it was a real bonding thing

464
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: between he and his dad when he was growing up.

465
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Speaker 3: They would try all these different spicy hot sauces after church.

466
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Speaker 2: They'd also go and get like, I think I'm not

467
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Speaker 2: gonna lie. This kind of grossed me out a little bit.

468
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Speaker 2: You know.

469
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Speaker 3: We see on hot Ones, that Hot Wing show a

470
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Speaker 3: lot of times people will have a glass of milk

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Speaker 3: on hand.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's scientifically proven.

473
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Speaker 3: That milk actually nullifies the effects of a spicy food.

474
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Speaker 2: But perhaps it's a placebo thing. But Ben and his

475
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: dad opted for cottage cheese, which I find to be

476
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Speaker 2: the most detestable substance in the culinary world.

477
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Speaker 1: Interesting out of all the other things.

478
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Speaker 2: It's a texture thing.

479
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Speaker 3: Okay, it looks like baby vomit to me kind of

480
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: it evokes those feelings.

481
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Speaker 1: Do you eat a lot of baby vomit?

482
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Speaker 2: Or what's me? Who am I an acceptable amount? Acceptable?

483
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Speaker 1: Just like the FDA of Ratords and cereal.

484
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Speaker 3: I am a father. At some point a baby has

485
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Speaker 3: probably vomited in my mouth.

486
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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're absolutely right about the milk dairy products

487
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: do help you if you are over your head in

488
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: a heatful situation. And it's because hot peppers, like you

489
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: said earlier, they did not evolve to become purposely delicious.

490
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: The heat was originally a way to make the plants

491
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Speaker 1: less delectable to various animals. Exactly, I wouldn't fruit evolve

492
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: to avoid being eaten. Apparently, it's due to the fact

493
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Speaker 1: that small mammals would eat peppers, and when they did,

494
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: because mammals have teeth, they would chew at the seeds

495
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: and this would ruin the plant's ability to propagate to reproduce.

496
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Speaker 1: But birds, as you know, well null, oh boy, they

497
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Speaker 1: don't have teeth.

498
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 3: No, they just have weird, sharpened, pointy bone things that

499
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: they come at you with. Sorry, I'm turning over a

500
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: new leaf about birds.

501
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: I told you.

502
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: I've been playing Wingspan a lots. Yeah, and it's really

503
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 3: changed my outlook on birds. I know so much about birds,

504
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: and they are quite delightful creatures in their own way,

505
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Speaker 3: but they also still freak me out. We'll leave it

506
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: to humans to say, well, fu plant to your biologically

507
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: evolved defense mechanism.

508
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna eat you. Just the same.

509
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Speaker 6: M h.

510
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

511
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, birds have different taste receptors than mammals, so capsaiusin

512
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: doesn't them the way a rat would be deterred. But

513
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: humans liked the they liked the rush, they liked the

514
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: pain of the thing. And one of the first questions

515
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: civilization asks itself as the chili pepper goes global, is

516
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Speaker 1: can we make money off of this?

517
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: Oh?

518
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's definitely money to be made. I don't know

519
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: how quickly do you think it kind of caught on,

520
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: ben Like, it seems like a little bit, you know,

521
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: when it would hit, it would be an acquired taste, perhaps,

522
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, at a time where let's just say culinary

523
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: offerings were perhaps a little bit more on the vaniloid side.

524
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Speaker 2: Ah.

525
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Speaker 1: Nice, callback Yeah, it happened pretty quickly in the grand

526
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: scheme of things, because again, the chili pepper is so

527
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: easily cultivated. But so when they start making commercial hot sauce,

528
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of debate about this. We are not

529
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: sponsored by any like big hot sauce brand, please sponsor us,

530
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: but we're super down by the way. So let's go

531
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Speaker 1: to Massachusetts. In eighteen o seven, this thing comes out

532
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: called cayenne sauce and it was named after the Cayenne

533
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: chili peppers. But it wasn't until the eighteen sixties that

534
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 1: hot sauce became a big staple in the United States.

535
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: And it's all due to Tabasco.

536
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: Tabasco. Gosh, you know what I think when I hear Tabasco. Now,

537
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: what's up that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Bob

538
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: Odenkirk plays the porn star and he tells this whole

539
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: story about how he was having a hard time getting

540
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, up for the scene and how Tabasco plays

541
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: a role in helping helping I actually realize now that's

542
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Speaker 3: why I said the thing about blood vessels contract. Oh wow,

543
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 3: I remember it from Curb because apparent if you apply it.

544
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: Let's just say to you, what was it? What did

545
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: you refer to the backside as the Australia the Australia.

546
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: Then it'll causes you to go to messens.

547
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: That Bob Odenkirk is going places.

548
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they should give him his own show.

549
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get one. Speaking of fiery, fiery facts and foods,

550
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: we got to give a shout out to Dave DeWitt

551
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: and Chuck Evans over at Fiery Foods Central because they

552
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: break down the evolution of commercialized hot sauce uh in.

553
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, they learn about it via vintage bottle collectors.

554
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, and they say much of what we know

555
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: about now extinct brands of hot sauces comes from bottle collectors.

556
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: Like you said, Ben, there is not a great body

557
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: of material on the subject of collectible hot sauce bottles,

558
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Speaker 3: but we are indebted to Benny Zumwalt, author of Ketchup Pickles, Sauces,

559
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: Century Food in Glass.

560
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: It's a whole book.

561
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: Really, No, it makes sense, you know, the idea of again,

562
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: the ability to preserve this stuff. That's another thing that

563
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: happens when you make hot sauce, especially there's a little

564
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: bit of fermentation going on. Is it'll it keeps a

565
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: lot longer. Although I only recently realized Ben that you

566
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: you are supposed to refrigerate your hot sauces after opening.

567
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

568
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: Some people don't think about that because they think of

569
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Speaker 3: it as like a table sauce, you know, like at

570
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Speaker 3: at a restaurant.

571
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 2: But you should. I don't think it's gonna kill you.

572
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: I've definitely had some nice hot sauces that I did

573
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: not refrigerate, and I ate them and I'm okay, I'm

574
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: still with us. It didn't even get a tummy ache.

575
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 3: But it does recommend that if you read the fine

576
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: prim going on pickles, sauces, nineteen century food and glass,

577
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: who dutifully this is Betty's zovall. We're talking about catalog

578
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: obscure hot sauce bottles found by collectors. Many bottles in

579
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Speaker 3: the hands of collectors were uncovered from archaeological digs and shipwrecks.

580
00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they found they found the condiments that the sailor used, right, Right,

581
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Speaker 1: And we've talked in the past about how naval food

582
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: just absolutely sucked for so long. Right, they had heart attack,

583
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: which is barely digestible or edible. So they want some

584
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: hot sauce and the Yeah, the militaries of the world

585
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: still love hot sauce today. If you open an mre,

586
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: anybody in the US Armed Services can tell you one

587
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: of the best things you get is a tiny little.

588
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: Like airplane bottle.

589
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Airplane there it is airplane bottle of hot sauce.

590
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: It's the kind that Hillary Clinton keeps in her bag.

591
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: Right, she has that thing on her because she's connected, man,

592
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 3: she's with the culture.

593
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: She's very relevant. Yeah.

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00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: So if we fast forward, we see that eighteen forty

595
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: nine is a crucial year in hot sauce and condiment history. Yes,

596
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: because that's when Lee and Parns out of the UK

597
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: make something called Worcestershire sauce.

598
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, people might pronounce it Worcestershire sauce, Wooster sauce, Wooster

599
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: sauce results Harry, but yeah, I mean it's it's it's

600
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Speaker 3: I don't know how I would describe Worcestershire sauce as

601
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: sort of like liquid oo, mommie. It's a it adds

602
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: a little tang uh and a little bit of not

603
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: really spice exactly salt for sure, but really it just

604
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: has this extra thing to it, right. It's really good

605
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: to add to a soup, bass or whatever. Maybe on

606
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: a steak. It's like if you've.

607
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Speaker 1: Ever, if you've ever, uh ever had to throw a

608
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: bag of wet trash over your head and uh like,

609
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: while you're throwing it in the dumpster, a little bit

610
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: of that garbage juice, just a tiny bit gets in

611
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: your mouth grows.

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00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what. Okay, So you tell us how you

613
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: really feel about Worcester sauce. I love it. I love it. Yeah,

614
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: I think it's good.

615
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: It Also it feels to me again, I couldn't tell

616
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: you what's in it exactly, but it does feel to

617
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: me like, uh, there has to be some relationship with

618
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: like a one sauce. You know, there is something in

619
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: a one sauce that is very woosh to sure, but yeah,

620
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: this really does become quite popular because also, as we know,

621
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Speaker 3: British food kind of has a reputation for being bland

622
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: and terrible. So you know, anything to add a little

623
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Speaker 3: bit of flavor to that stuff.

624
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: We're sure actually has a lot in common. I would

625
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: argue with the ancestors of ketchup right, like garam it's

626
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: early guess it was.

627
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: More of a brown yeah, kind of like umammi paste.

628
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think we're nailing it with umami. And again,

629
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: just to be clear, folks, please do not drink trash

630
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: juice out of your garbage can just.

631
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Speaker 2: God, Ben, you had to say it again to bring

632
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: it back. We're bringing it back.

633
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Speaker 1: Also, eighteen forty nine, that's the first recorded crop of

634
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: tabasco chili's, which are the key ingredient in Michael Henny's

635
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: Tabasco pepper Sauce. There is a guy who doesn't get

636
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: sighted too often in the Michael Hinney story. His name

637
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: is Colonel Monsel Watt. Oh, yeah, Louise or gentleman. Yeah,

638
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: he's a real pilm. He's a Louisiana banker, and he

639
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: has this. He has a series of plantations. One of

640
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: them is called the deer Range plantation. He grows well.

641
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: The people he enslaved grow these tabasco chilis on this plantation,

642
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: and he eventually starts spreading the word. He speaks to

643
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Daily Delta paper of note at the

644
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: time about this this crop he's growing, and no, I

645
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: think you would love to chew the scenery on this one.

646
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 6: I must not own meant to notice the Colonel's pipple patch,

647
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 6: which is two acres in extent all planted with a

648
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 6: new species of red pipple which Kondel Lots has introduced

649
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 6: into this country called Tabasco red pepple. The kernel attributes

650
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 6: the admirable health of his hands to the free use

651
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 6: of the pile.

652
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: Amazing, well done.

653
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Speaker 3: Health of his hands. I don't think he's talking about

654
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: his two hands. Yeah, he's definitely not talking about his

655
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: his you know, paid laborers with yeah, benefits and health care.

656
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: He's basically referring to them almost like livestocks. Look look

657
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 3: at the health of of my of my Yeah, yeah,

658
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: it's it's gross.

659
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, showing a horse's on auction or something.

660
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: It's And Tabasco itself is a misspelling of Tabasco, the

661
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: Mexican state. More appropriation lovely. Yeah, he's not even get

662
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: the spelling right. Super chill guy. He makes the first

663
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: hot sauce from these chilies and he sells it in

664
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty nine. Around about eighteen fifty nine, he gives

665
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: some of the chilies and a sauce recipe to his buddy,

666
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Edmund Mikilhinney. And Edmund mikil Henney, also a plantation owner,

667
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: has a spot on Avery Island. He's starting to grow

668
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: these things. The US Civil War happens. Union troops come

669
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: in from New Orleans. In eighteen sixty three, mickel Henny

670
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: and his family leave Avery Island. They hide out in

671
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: San Antonio, Texas and wait for the heat to die down.

672
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: They come back. Wait, why are they on the lamb?

673
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: Why are they being sought.

674
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: Up because the Union soldiers are invading.

675
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and these are bad, bad slave owner men.

676
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not super chill hold onto their antiquated and

677
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: despicable way of life. So they come back to Avery

678
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: Island their plantation there in eighteen sixty five, and they

679
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: see the plantation is mostly destroyed. It's pretty ruined. However,

680
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: in the soil they see a few like picture Dave

681
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Attenborough style, they see a few little green sprouts chili

682
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: plants have survived, and those patch the pepple patch, and

683
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: Mikael Henney is able to regrow a huge crop of

684
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: Tabasco peppers from this stuff.

685
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: They are resilient little buggers. That's actually a part and

686
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: parcel with their whole. You know, stay away, don't eat

687
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: me like they are. They have a bit of a

688
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: heartiness to them.

689
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 1: And so in eighteen sixty eight he packages this stuff

690
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: up using Colonel Watt's recipe or something inspired by it,

691
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: and he sells it, or he doesn't even sell it.

692
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: At this point.

693
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: He said it to people that he hopes will be wholesalers,

694
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: and he sends it in used cologne bottles.

695
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 3: Is there anything that Tabasco company has done to distance

696
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 3: themselves from their racist legacy.

697
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 5: Also, do we know if they got all the cologne

698
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: out of the bottles or unclear? Sauce was just like

699
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 5: really clone, Like wait.

700
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: There was a there was like a little bit of

701
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: a spill that was part of the secret ingredient.

702
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: Michael Heady's original now with Drakard Doir.

703
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. You know he would be a man.

704
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Drakard Noir is a choice. It's a bit

705
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: of a douchebag cologne. Let's be honest, all right, Well,

706
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: you know we're we're taking a lot of we're taking

707
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot of shots of people today, right hot.

708
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: So nobody in particular.

709
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: Just hey, if you were at Tricard Noir, go with God,

710
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: It's fine.

711
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: I've definitely warned at some point, did you really? It's

712
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: when I was younger and didn't know better.

713
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well all right, man, everybody's on their journey.

714
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: It just sounds pretentious.

715
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: It sounds fake French or something, you know what I mean,

716
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: like very hog daw Yeah exactly. I think we're talking

717
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: about that that's fully fully invented. It's nothing to do

718
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: with anything.

719
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: But speaking of invention, we do have to mention someone

720
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: you you brought up earlier, Wilbur Scoville, the creator the

721
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Scoville scale. So whenever you see those TikTok or YouTube

722
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: videos where someone's like, this is the hottest pepper, here

723
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: are the stats, it's so and so on the Scullville scale, exactly.

724
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, but I meant to mention this earlier.

725
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: But it reminds me the the innovations in peppers that

726
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: are going on today. People you know, cross breeding things,

727
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: and I believe there was another pepper that was just

728
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 3: just dropped that is even spicier than the ghost pepper.

729
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: I can't quite remember what it's called.

730
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: I love it when people say something just.

731
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this new species of pepper just dropped. But it

732
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: kind of.

733
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: Reminds me of like, you know, what, what what happens

734
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: with marijuana now that it's much more you know, freely

735
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: available and legal and less suppressed and stuff. So there's

736
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: tons of different you know, strains and all of that,

737
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: and cross breeding and people trying to make the fanciest,

738
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: you know, most potent one. People always talk about weed

739
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: back in the day was like way less strong. I

740
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: kind of wonder if the same thing was true of peppers,

741
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: you know, like old school peppers, probably there was nothing

742
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: even approaching the levels of spice and variety that we

743
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: have today.

744
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: But you're one hundred correct.

745
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: It was popular enough that there were enough different ones

746
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: and enough different folks making hot sauces that somebody needed

747
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 3: to keep track of them. So any little baby mouths

748
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: out there wouldn't get point.

749
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, inter Wilbur Scooville, Yeah, Silber, a little Wilber.

750
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

751
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: So he like he's alive. It's nineteen twelve or so,

752
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: and there's so much hot sauce that people are trying

753
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: to have some sort of uniformity right too, figure out

754
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: some comparative scale. And his idea was this the Scuolville scale.

755
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: Ask us, how much water do we need to dilute

756
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: a spicy extract of a pepper in his case until

757
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: it no longer tastes spicy? So every degree of dilution

758
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: is one Scoville heat unit or shu a shoe. So,

759
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: for instance, five thousand cups of water dilute one cup

760
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: of Tabasco sauce to the point where it's no longer spicy.

761
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: For some reason, I'm picturing like a drug deal of

762
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: hot sauce going now, or someone whips out the testing

763
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 3: kit and has like the little dropper, you know, sticks

764
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: it on like a like a magnifying glass plate or whatever.

765
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: How does one conduct a Scoville test? Surely they don't

766
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: actually have to dilute the thing with like a thousand

767
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: cups of water.

768
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: Well, the scale itself evolved from that practice, but I'm

769
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: sure there's much more evolved science now. We do know

770
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: the Scoville measurement is the globally accepted standard for spiciness

771
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: with these peppers. So and not all the peppers are,

772
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: of course as spicy as the others. So shashido peppers

773
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: almost a sweet pungency to those things. They have a

774
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: pretty low shoe. They can be fifty to two hundred

775
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Schoolville units of Pulplano is more like fifteen hundred. Ajabanyero

776
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: can be one hundred thousand to three hundred and fifty

777
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: thousand Scoville units. And right now, if we're looking in

778
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the world's hottest pepper according to the

779
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: Scoville rating system is called pepper X.

780
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: That's right, two.

781
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Point sixty nine million Scoville units.

782
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: Wow, how many cups of water? Would that be too many? Human?

783
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: I did do a little cursory google and and there

784
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: apparently is a thing, a device called the chili pot,

785
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 3: which is claimed to be the world's first Scoville meter,

786
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 3: designed to be using situations where people want to quickly

787
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 3: and reliably know the Scovil units with their chili based

788
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: product or chili pepper.

789
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, so kids, test your chili peppers.

790
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 3: You don't wanna you wanna get you want to get

791
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: any of those tainted PEPs I'm picturing.

792
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm picturing some like hippie woodstock thing, but instead of drugs,

793
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: it's all chili peppers. So I'm saying there's some guy

794
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: running around like, don't eat the orange peppers.

795
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

796
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: Or like that scene in Boogie Nights where the dudes

797
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: like fight lighting off firecrackers, you know, and like everyone

798
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: and you listening to Sister Christian.

799
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: But I believe that's Rio Speedwagon.

800
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: Excellent scene, one of the most anxiety inducing scenes ever.

801
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: Who's that actor that plays like, oh.

802
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: Gosh, Gary, or no, it's not your own bit, but

803
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: you could have It's not he could have though.

804
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: Alfred Molina, Alfred Molina.

805
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah he could.

806
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: He's unhinged. Gary Oldman totally could have played this role.

807
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: He's in a bathrobe waving a gun around. You know,

808
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 3: I think Gary Oldman basically played that character in True Romance.

809
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: Very similar. But but Max, I believe you have a

810
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: Gary Oldman aside.

811
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.

812
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: So before we got on the recording, Ben and I

813
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: were talking. I'm like, oh, yeah, I finally got to

814
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: watch Oppenheimer and I'm like, we're talking about the presidents

815
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 5: at the same time. I'm like, yeah, Gary Oldman played

816
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 5: a good Truman. Ben goes Gary Oldman's and Oppenheimer.

817
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: And I've seen the film.

818
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, seen the film because we.

819
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 4: Talking about Robert Downey Jr. Kind of hiding in the character.

820
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: It's right.

821
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 4: I looked at the cast list. I'm like, oh, Gary

822
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: Oldman's gonna show up as Truman.

823
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: Benny Softie's in it too.

824
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: Who I just is blowing up. I love that guy

825
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: so much. I'm sad the Softie brothers are breaking up

826
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: for the time being. But what a polymath. I'm just

827
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: incredible actor, incredible director, incredible writer.

828
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: Just really really had to see that guy succeed.

829
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: And we're gonna wrap this episode up before one of

830
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: us reveals themselves to be Gary Oldman, who is again

831
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: an amazing actor. Like, if you're hearing this now, you

832
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: might be Gary Oldman and you might not know he's

833
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: that good.

834
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: He is. Yeah, he can rock the makeup. You know.

835
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: All he needs is like an eye patch, you know,

836
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: to set him over the top. There's some really good

837
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 3: memes where it's just like side by side images of

838
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: him in different films, and the guy is an absolute chameleon.

839
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's a regular till this one. They may

840
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: be the same person. No, entirely possible. It's entirely possible.

841
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: A thing that is also entirely possible. Speaking of awkward seguays,

842
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: you can save yourself from the sensation of heat if

843
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: you eat a pepper that's too peppy for you. Capsaius

844
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: In binds to a thing called t RPV one vanilloid receptor, right,

845
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: because again it's related to the vanilla bean. Sure, drinking water,

846
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: as we all know, does not help you eliminate the heat,

847
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: not a.

848
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: Bit, because it's not heat.

849
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: It's not like it's it's not exactly like you've burned

850
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 3: your tongue or you have an auchi. It's something else

851
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: you've like ingested a substance that is eliciting a chemical

852
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: reaction that feels like heat, but it's not like But

853
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 3: at the same time, though, I have to have to say,

854
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: with certain levels of spicy food, you do feel like

855
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: you're sweating and your face does kind of get warm.

856
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: So the urge or the impulse to drink water it

857
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 3: makes sense. But no, it's not going to do a

858
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: damn bit of good.

859
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right on all accounts. Capsisin again, that active

860
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: ingredient or kaiser sous capsaisin dissolves in fat and alcohol,

861
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: not in water, So if you drink a lot of water,

862
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: you're spreading that substance around. We're just moving the burn

863
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: to different areas, like you're like your gullet, right, dairy

864
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: products and weirdly enough, booze will help absorb or act

865
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: as a detergent.

866
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: Okay, it's true, Okay, cool.

867
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: Not for nothing do people serve chicken wings and beer

868
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: and so many restaurants.

869
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: That does make sense.

870
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: It's a good pairing too, because a good beer has

871
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: a nice crisp bite to it as well. They just

872
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: sort of like it's just sort of like a nice

873
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: white wine with the shrimp pasta or something like that.

874
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: Big fans milk from mammals. It turns out contains a

875
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: protein called casin, which is the same protein that creates

876
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: the kurds in sour milk. No favorites those lumpy boys

877
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: that also Yeah, if you scrape them off and splat

878
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: them into a vat and you got yourself cottage cheese.

879
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: Casin is a lipophilic, which means it was the fat

880
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: protein and that causes it to act as a kind

881
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: of almost the way detergent is able to dissolve and

882
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: kind of you know, react with stains and with with

883
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: you know, besmirchments of garments. This does so with spicy

884
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: food with capsasm.

885
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: I do like besmirchment. Yes, thank you, that's great. And

886
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: with that, folks, we are going to wrap up our

887
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: history of condiments starting you know, this is our hot

888
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: sauce episode. I don't know how to end it. I'm

889
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: just so excited.

890
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: I will say this.

891
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 3: I may have let this little story slip in the past,

892
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: but I am a big fan of hot sauce and

893
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: I have very lucky to have occasion to travel to

894
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 3: New York relatively frequently and when I go. In the

895
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: past handful of years, I've been staying in Williamsburg and Brooklyn,

896
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 3: and in Williamsburg, really close to the hotel where I

897
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: always stay is a little shop call the Heatonists, which

898
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 3: is a storefront connected with the now We Feast brand

899
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: and the Hot Ones you know the Chicken Wing celebrity

900
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: eating Chicken Wing show, And they have all of the

901
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: hot sauces you can get with a subscription.

902
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: Again an a sponsor, but would be happy to be.

903
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: You can get all of those Heatonists Hot Ones hot

904
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: Sauce bundles and they just have a remarkable collection of

905
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: hot sauces from around the world. So every time I go,

906
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 3: I grab a hanvel with the first time I went,

907
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: I was a Dodo and I put it in my

908
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: carry on bag.

909
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I.

910
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: Forgot that hot sauces just barely exceed the fluid outs

911
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: levels for a carry on you are able to check it,

912
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: but I was not able to check my bag for

913
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 3: other reasons, and so they confiscated my precious hot sauces.

914
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: Ever since that, I'll always checked check the hot sauce.

915
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: I had a similar situation with moving some kimchi from

916
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: South Korea.

917
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 2: And you sound like you're smuggling in it. No, no,

918
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: I got it.

919
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: I got it through you know, totally.

920
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Legal means.

921
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: And I just didn't think of the air pressure. And

922
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: so when we landed in the US, I had this

923
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: would have once been a very reasonable package of kimchi

924
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: had ballooned up, and.

925
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 2: Lead leak in your bad.

926
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: Just expanded, expanded, and I was thinking we could probably

927
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: still eat it. Kimchi is quite durable. It is quite durable,

928
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: but it is uh. It is best to not take

929
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: things on planes unless you know how they won't behave

930
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why that sounds like a mean comment

931
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: about children on planes.

932
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: Oh, man, children on planes are the worst. They're up there.

933
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, you ever been in front of one that

934
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:57,479
Speaker 2: that just.

935
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: Like kicks your seat like I guess he's like he's

936
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: doing it on purpose. And if you ever had to

937
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: turn around and make a mean face at him, I'll

938
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: do that.

939
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: I've done the face.

940
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 5: I've uh. The most recent time I came back from Portland.

941
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 5: I like to come back from the West Coast a

942
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 5: red eye because you get on the plane, you fall asleep.

943
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 4: And I got stuck next to.

944
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 5: A woman and her kid or kid was in the

945
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 5: middle seat and he hapen trying to sleep on my shoulder.

946
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, you man, don't don't don't get.

947
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: No, he made it weird. Kid made a weird buddy.

948
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 5: You were a lot smaller, you fit in these seat

949
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 5: a lot. But I mean, granted my not general love

950
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 5: for children as well stated, but still I'm like, here.

951
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: How how old would you guess the kid to be?

952
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: Nine?

953
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Okay, undercover air marshal right.

954
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: Obvious, definitely definitely.

955
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: I will say I've been on the other end of

956
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: that as well, where I've accidentally popped a snooze on

957
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: somebody's shoulder and a plane what so yeah.

958
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: I mean it's look, when you're asleep, you don't know

959
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do.

960
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: I'm perpetually nine in my mind and in my heart.

961
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: But no, seriously, guys, what's here?

962
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: Sleep? All bets are off.

963
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: Sure this wasn't asleep. This kid was like trying to

964
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 4: do it while he was away.

965
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 2: He was doing he was knowingly max.

966
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely an air marshall. Okay, that's h and again

967
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: so they call it honeypot right there. Yeah, so wow,

968
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: tune into ridiculous histories, extended cinematic universe. Little Marshals, the

969
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: new new.

970
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: From the Police to Cat, from the makers of Police

971
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: Academy and Kindergarten Cop Comes Little Marshalls, Little Marshals.

972
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: We can't wait.

973
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on Hulu probably or maybe maybe Disney.

974
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna get buried on Apple Plus. There it is there.

975
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: It is stick with us. Hey, you guys know who

976
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: else is a fan of hot Sauce? Do you tell

977
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland aka the Twister.

978
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: I thought he was allergic. I thought it would kill

979
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: him instantly? Or is that just shellfish?

980
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: I think he has the condition?

981
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: Okay, well I just I just hey, look I just

982
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 3: dropped in to see what condition Max's condition was in.

983
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: Oh, this whole episode is worth it because of the

984
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: weird shrug Max just gave us.

985
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: It was a very good shrug. It was clear.

986
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: It was like the the It was like the shrug

987
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 3: they based that emoji on.

988
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: There. It is there.

989
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: It is thanks as well to the fact, thanks as

990
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: well to our super producer, mister Max Williams. Thanks to uh,

991
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: let's see Eve's Jeff coat. Doesn't the condition sound like

992
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: it could be like a wrestling name.

993
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm really do.

994
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: It could be on Jersey. I'm sure they called me

995
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: the condition.

996
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 5: You know, I'm going to write an entire episode about

997
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 5: this condition and make us do an episode about it

998
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 5: just because of this now, right, Well but no, no.

999
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: No, we got to keep the condition mysterious.

1000
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can never explain demystifying the I will never

1001
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: say what it is.

1002
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna say every single liken, like, every single

1003
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 5: thing about it, what it is. Someone can just Google

1004
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 5: search and figure it out.

1005
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 6: Why.

1006
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1007
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: Sorry, man, all right, Max, you're the boss. Whatever you say,

1008
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: samer than this tree while we have.

1009
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: The chance, get it while it's fresh, folks. Uh, thanks

1010
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: of course to Alex Williams who composed this track. Thanks

1011
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: to aj Bahamas Jacobs, which we will also not explain.

1012
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: Noel, what is?

1013
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: People might hear you on the Puzzler.

1014
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: They might.

1015
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: I actually was supposed to record yesterday, but I had

1016
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: to reschedule because I've had some electrical issues in my

1017
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: studio and the electrician.

1018
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: Ran into the time that I was supposed to record

1019
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 2: with a jam.

1020
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: But we have rescheduled for this Friday, so barely a

1021
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: hicco should come out around the same time that it

1022
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: was originally planned to, which I don't know when that is,

1023
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 3: but it will be in the very near future.

1024
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, do us a favor and see how I want

1025
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: to embarrass you.

1026
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: I was going to say, see.

1027
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: How old Bahamas feels about hot sauce?

1028
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: What is this Bahamas business man? What is this Bahamas business?

1029
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: You'll have to ask him. He doesn't know, he said, So.

1030
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 4: It's life conditioned, Noel, I guess.

1031
00:55:52,360 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: Let's see you next time, folks.

1032
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

1033
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.