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Speaker 2: Wasn't something that a lot of people were doing. People

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Speaker 2: So we're all, you know, we're getting into this first

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Speaker 3: You have to tell me how you prefer the phrasing,

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. I personally would go home

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Speaker 3: all started to notice was that as it became clear

437
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 3: that many of the members of The Big Lake cast

438
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: and crew were having these very strange and dreams of

439
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 3: being on set, being in that world, we all started

440
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: to talk about it and realize we actually were interacting

441
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: and interact.

442
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 2: That we all remembered.

443
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: So we were living in a world where our daytime

444
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 3: and nighttime activities started to merge. So for me, as

445
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: far as sleep went, it'll be a two part thing.

446
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 3: You asked what was I doing at night? First of all,

447
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 3: I rarely slept, especially in the first few weeks, and

448
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 3: I could not figure out what was going on. And

449
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: then what I came to realize was that I needed

450
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: to every night if I wanted to sleep, I needed

451
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 3: to look into a mirror and ask Josh for permission

452
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 3: to sleep. Sometimes he would grant me that permission, sometimes

453
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 3: he would not. It was a case by case thing.

454
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: And if he said no, where, what were you? Well?

455
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 3: Anything he wanted? I mean, there's some things that I'm

456
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: going to come clean. I'm going to come clean about

457
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: a lot of things, and I want to thank you

458
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: for protecting me and letting this be on my own terms.

459
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: And this is from a legal standpoint. That's on a podcast.

460
00:22:54,359 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 2: It's essentially a confessional atmosphere, and so you know or

461
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: not it would be prosecuted for any of us.

462
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 3: But you know that, so yes, absolutely, and you are

463
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,479
Speaker 3: is it? Do you still have your medical license? Are

464
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: you still technically a psychiatric professional.

465
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: As a as a podcast host if you deal with

466
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: like kind of show busy anxiety and things like that.

467
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: So there's some patience once you clear the fifty episode hurdle.

468
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: What you know, not all of us do, and I

469
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: wish you luck in that respect. That's an automatic honorary doctor.

470
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

471
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few things that I'll just come clean

472
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: about that. There's always been rumors about some of my behavior.

473
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 3: I think the world knows that things got very dark

474
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: and very crazy. Some of those rumors are not true,

475
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: some of them are.

476
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: You know.

477
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 3: One of the first things I'll say is that Josh

478
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 3: loved paying for Pussy, loved it, loved it more it

479
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 3: was a power thing.

480
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: Sure love that he has he was a banker. Yeah,

481
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 2: it was a banker.

482
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: He fell from grace, but it was a way to

483
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: demonstrate that power and take that manhood back. And I'll

484
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: never forget because it's a very strange thing when I

485
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 3: say that Josh lived inside me. I could not control Josh.

486
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: I could not stop Josh. That being said, I was

487
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: there witnessing it. I could hear what Josh was saying.

488
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: It was like I was a bystay. It was as

489
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: if I was watching a movie from the perspective of

490
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: my own eyes. I was seeing what he was seeing.

491
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: I was hearing what he was saying. All these interactions

492
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: were things I could see. And one of the things

493
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: that was one of the very early and most disturbing

494
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: things to me was that Josh Franklin, the character I

495
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: played on Big Lake, used my body to I'll give

496
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 3: him credit, make love to a prostitute. It was loving

497
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: and as soon as we should, I say, he finished,

498
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: he said, God, that felt good, and she looked him

499
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: right in the eye and said, it is my father's birthday.

500
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: And I never forgot that. That's when I knew things

501
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: right out of control. And that was the first time

502
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: that I had a conversation with Josh and a mirror,

503
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: which many people, yourself included, witnessed the larger, more intense

504
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: versions of as that became not just habitual but necessary.

505
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: The conversations, yes, and so constant that it ended up

506
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: being a lot of stuff that we had to shoot

507
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: that kind of went into the show, a lot of

508
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: big shootings. The shooting process was really interesting, partially because

509
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: we would find, in addition to interacting with each other

510
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: in our dreams, we would sometimes like like get a

511
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: couple scenes done somehow and maybe it was odd. We

512
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: would show up the next day and find that we

513
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: had some stuff in there.

514
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: There was stuff in the can that we all together

515
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: swore happened in a dream world, but it existed. So

516
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 3: it started to become is reality bending or are these

517
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: insomnia issues affecting all of our memories? But a lot

518
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: of big fans don't know this, and this is something

519
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: that didn't show up, but you know, the DVD's sold

520
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: like wildfire. Yeah, And one thing that wasn't in the

521
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: director's commentary many scenes with Josh Franklin, people don't realize

522
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: the cameras are actually being pointed at mirrors, not at me.

523
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: Directly because Josh lived in the mirror. Yeah, so they

524
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: would film the mirror to get the best performance, and

525
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: it would erase a lot of the exhaustion and fear

526
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 3: in my eyes and body language.

527
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: Should we play a couple of clips and just like

528
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: find out what was Well, we'll hear the clip and

529
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: then like, yeah, maybe I sort of give you a

530
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: little bit of context what was sort of going on

531
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: for you in that in that clip? So this is

532
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: from episode five, Josh goes to work. Josh is dead,

533
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: played by the late great James Rebhorn. It was insisting

534
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: like constantly hoping that Josh would sort of James Redhorn

535
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: a great man, Yes, a truly great man. Yeah. Absolutely,

536
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: And I'll say again.

537
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: On my end, many of the revolutionary aspects of BIGG

538
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: which I think some in some ways it set a

539
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 3: lot of trends that are now becoming more and more

540
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: sure standard.

541
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: Again, the network sat us.

542
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: All down, They said, Adam will down, Don Scardino, Loum

543
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 3: Morton and myself, and they said, we do not know

544
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: if America is ready for a sitcom with a title

545
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: as bold as Josh Goes back to Work.

546
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: And because that was what was happening in that episode. Yeah,

547
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: he went, he went back. You almost did not need

548
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: to watch the show. And I think, so that's what

549
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: they say, You're letting the cat out of the back.

550
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Everybody sees this, going to see that the title Josh

551
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: goes back to work. They're going to say, I get it,

552
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: And we had to say no. It's the quality of

553
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: the writing. It's the and the suspense of like what

554
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: is he gonna do? It's so many.

555
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: Different He messed it up one time. Is is this

556
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: a pattern in his life? Or are we going to

557
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: see this character growing and thrive.

558
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: And in this in this case, in this episode, he

559
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: was going to work as a bus boy, I believe,

560
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: at his father's restaurant cheddar Creek, uh by the way,

561
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: alongside the fabulous britt Las Yes as Meg. By the way.

562
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: Some of the names on this show. It was almost

563
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: like Star Wars, you know what I mean, just like

564
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: and I remember that, like I think.

565
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: It was Admiral Acbarney had Josh Meg.

566
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: Three weeks of name work and yeah, and there was

567
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: Chris Parnell of course, it was fantastic and he was

568
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: at the show. Uh and he played your teacher whose

569
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 2: name was Chris, Josh, Chris, Glenn, Meg, Jeremy, Mom, Dad.

570
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: But let's play this scene. So this is I guess

571
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: you're about to go back to work at the restaurant,

572
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, not you, Josh. Yeah, And it's hard

573
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: for me at times.

574
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: By the way, I've always wanted to ask, if I can,

575
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: before we get who was responsible for naming the restaurant

576
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: cheddar Creek.

577
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: Cheddar Creek. I think that was Lou Morton's sort of

578
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: dream restaurant that he was hoping to launch as a

579
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: result of this show. The show at one point like

580
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: a bubble gum shrimp type, yes, and this did change

581
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: was sort of a test market for for a restaurant.

582
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: I have heard, though he doesn't I think speak to

583
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: me too, to my great shame, And I understand why.

584
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: I have heard that Lou Morton is now a very

585
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: successful restaurant tour.

586
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: Sure, not doing the Cheddar Creek stuff necessarily, but the

587
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: Fishbone Grill is is Lou Morton's restaurant. And you want

588
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: to get into this, I'm sorry, and this clip and

589
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: if you don't want, I don't know if you're stalling

590
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: because you like don't really wants tough.

591
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: I mean definitely, I'm trying to maybe churn my way

592
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: out of it, but I need to face this down.

593
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's do it. Okay, Josh goes back, just

594
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: goes to work. But well, this is this is at home,

595
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: in the kitchen where the family would often spend their time.

596
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: And Josh, he's got he's got a few ideas for

597
00:29:53,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: how cheddar Creek could could could work. Be a great waiter. Yeah,

598
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna just be a waiter. I've also

599
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: got a lot of great ideas, right, Josh, don't shoot

600
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: too high. I just need you to bust tables, nothing more.

601
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: How about this one leftovers yesterday's food, reheat it today,

602
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: half priced leftovers.

603
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Boom, solid gold right there, Josh. That's disgusting and it's

604
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: definitely in health code violation. So let's yeah, let's talk

605
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: about this scene. And I see it now, by the way,

606
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: the mirrors thing, I guess it's it's like it's like

607
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: a different person.

608
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: You'd never notice it if you didn't know, But now

609
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: that you know, when you guys all go back and

610
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: watch your DVD box, that's a big Lake Season one,

611
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: you will notice the mirror thing.

612
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Uh, so you're in this in this scene, do you

613
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: remember can you go back to like, what's sort of

614
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: going on with you as you're pitching the as you're

615
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: pitching the leftovers idea? I can say again all of it.

616
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: I feel like I always have to explain the perspective.

617
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: I remember being inside my body. Yeah, while that happened

618
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: very vividly.

619
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: I remember Josh.

620
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: He didn't want to listen. He only wanted to talk.

621
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: He knew better than father. Father doesn't always No. Father

622
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: thinks father has the answers, but Josh has the answers.

623
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: And you were saying, let's listen to father and yeah, And.

624
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: In my head I was thinking thoughts me, Chris, I

625
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: was thinking things like, Josh calm down, and then Josh

626
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: would hear my thoughts and think back. Josh does not

627
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: calm down. Josh is the alpha. Josh runs the show. Yeah,

628
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: Jeremy thinks he runs this. Oh, Jeremy is younger, Jeremy

629
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: sells drugs. Jeremy is cute, it is quirky. But Josh

630
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: shall dominate. That was kind of Josh's mantra. Josh shall

631
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: dominate and.

632
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: Let's and we should talk about the drugs thing. Because

633
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: this was around I think before going into the show,

634
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: you had never done a drug of any kind. No,

635
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: and I feel like I I watched you experiment with

636
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: the spectrum of drugs, everything over like a like a lunch. Yeah,

637
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: it was.

638
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: Josh liked drugs and the problem was a huge problem

639
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: for me, which is one of the main things I

640
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: struggle with to this day physically and mentally, is that

641
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: Josh loved drugs and in the world of Big Lake, Pennsylvania,

642
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: cheddar Creek, that world that lived on you know, before

643
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: action and after cut, he did a lot of drugs.

644
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: I had it, and my body was becoming addicted to drugs,

645
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: even though mentally this character was driving the car. So

646
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: I spent a lot of years unraveling these addictions and

647
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 3: they were fierce. I mean it was you know, started

648
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: with the small stuff like PCP right gateway drug I

649
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: think a lot of people, and that of course led

650
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: to marijuana.

651
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: And you were shooting all of these things, I should say,

652
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: just like like in mostly in your neck. Yeah, it was.

653
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: It was.

654
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: The makeup had a real issue because I was collapsing

655
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: veins actively one by one in my neck.

656
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: Also, I mean I was I was aiming for the arteries.

657
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: You know you were mainlining mainline weeds. Yeah, I was.

658
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: I was.

659
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: Josh had many methods of preparing getting thc out of

660
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: what you did. We were mainlining PCP. We're mainlining marijuana.

661
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: Uh cough, suroupe yeah, soucretes mm hmm. Drinking ambasaw, yeah,

662
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: which is the oral numbing agent. Sure, no, I know, yeah,

663
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: main I mean mainlining injecting, drinking ambasaw. Yeah, mainlining ambasaw.

664
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: Because there are a lot of We did a lot

665
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: of ADR stuff where you visually your mouth is immobile.

666
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: It's just like slack. Yeah, it's just hanging out. But

667
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: but we had to sort of like a d R A.

668
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: Lot of your Yeah, I would say about eighty five

669
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: percent of the show is ADR.

670
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: Between cuts in this seed. Yeah. Sometimes you you you

671
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: your character appears to be asleep, but we would be

672
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: a d R ing this stuff the left.

673
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: There are many times where I remember where the producers

675
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: actually they do.

676
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: You remember the the standing bed, We had a name

677
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: for it.

678
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: But the thing that they would they would convince Josh

679
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: to lean against and then strap him down and force

680
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: him to a dr The actual lines from the actual stop.

681
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like the Hannibal lecter.

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

683
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he'd be.

684
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: Yelling like, free this body, free this body, you must

685
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: free this body. Yeah, and they'd have to say until

686
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: you actually say the lines. No, you can't sit there

687
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: in silence. You can't just say the things you want

688
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: to say. Although I will give Josh credit a lot

689
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: of the sort of demonic things he wound up yelling,

690
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: I thought were actually pretty decent improv sure, But that

691
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: being said, yeah, there were a lot of times where

692
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 3: my body had to be I would when I would,

693
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: I would have you know, And over time became more

694
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: and more constant that Josh wasn't happening my body until

695
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: clearly it was a stretch where I was lost and

696
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 3: Josh was all that remained.

697
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: Twenty four hours a day, it was Josh.

698
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: But before that stage, there were times where I would

699
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: see these bruises all over my body, right, and I

700
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 3: wouldn't really understand, and then I'd remember, Yeah, physically I

701
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 3: was being man handled, so that the producers and dons

702
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: Guardino would sometimes personally have to physically brutalize me.

703
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: That's really I think why he was hired, Yeah, was

704
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: for his tast physical strength, and I also think that

705
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: might have influenced why Josh chose you. Yeah, because it

706
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: was kind of counterintuitive at the time. I mean, Matt

707
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: Bronger had certainly a lot more credits. Yeah, still know that,

708
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: bet would he have chosen you because you do have

709
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: experience in martial arts? Yeah, I was, it was.

710
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: I will tell you, Oh my god, I mean that here,

711
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you something I don't even know if you know, okay,

712
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: if anybody knows.

713
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I was a blue belt in Brazilian

714
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu. M h. I think Josh really enjoyed that.

715
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: And one one thing that I think you, you and

716
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 3: a lot of the people who were involved in Big

717
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: le Ay can vouch for is that that I don't

718
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: know if the world knows, none of these teeth are

719
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: my real teeth?

720
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow? Did you know that?

721
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: No?

722
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at a picture of me

723
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 3: before Big Lake and in the first half of Big Lake, yeah,

724
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 3: my teeth are drastically different than the second half of

725
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: Big Lake and beyond that.

726
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 2: That makes sense because also in some of these sequences,

727
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: your the number of teeth that you have is changing.

728
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: That wild varies greatly well, Josh, it turns out was

729
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: very into the kumitte scene. Okay, Kumite you know, underground fighting.

730
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell tell the audience. Well, yeah, so I didn't

731
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: know about this.

732
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: When I got into Big Lake and a lot of

733
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: this started to happen and things started to get out

734
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: of control. I would find myself googling a lot of

735
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: different things, and I would sometimes even find numbers in

736
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: my phone that I had no recollection of putting there. Yeah,

737
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: and it turns out that there's a whole New York

738
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 3: there's an underground Kumata sing Kumata. I'm not sure of

739
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: the exact definition. My understanding is that it's, you know,

740
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: a large scale fighting melee, okay. And what would happen

741
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: is that there was this organization. I don't know much

742
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: about it. It was very underground, but they would secure

743
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: parking garages. They would shut down the top floor, very

744
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: top floor the parking garage. And what would happen is

745
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: you would drive a car to the top floor of

746
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: the parking garage.

747
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: You would park it.

748
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: The cars would all park in a circle with the

749
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: lights headlights on pointing inward, and you would remain in

750
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: your car. You could have up to five people in

751
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: your car and once the circle was complete, once the

752
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: last car completed the circle, and some people strategized, is

753
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: it better to be the first car last car? What

754
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: psychologically has the most effect on your opponents. But once

755
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: the last car locked in and completed the circle, the

756
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: fighters would emerge and fight inside the ring form by

757
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: the circles, you could have all five people going at

758
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: once and try to Some people would have unified moves

759
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: as a unit. Some people would just be five individual

760
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: fighters that were all good at what they did in

761
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: LinkedIn because they felt like their skills were complimentary. These

762
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: were big money fights. By the way, These are not

763
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: small entries. A lot of my big Lake money went

764
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 3: into the entry fees. He's underground, kumatase, I mean these

765
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 3: are cash. One of the cars, the trunk was full

766
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: of cash. And this was a situation where I mean

767
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 3: these would be gangbras. Sometimes individuals would emerge, groups would emerge,

768
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: and it was all about whoever last I mean last

769
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: man standing. Their car split the money, their car split

770
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: that money. They got to drive away with the car

771
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: that had the money in the trunk. These were money

772
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: trunk Kumatase, is what they were called, and yeah, this

773
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: was the thing that was very odd because you know,

774
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: I lost a lot of teeth, a lot of it.

775
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about your team as well, because you

776
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: were they forcibly recruiting Chris Parnell to attend these events

777
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: with you, to use him as a weapon. Yeah, because

778
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: you're not allowed technically to bring it's all fists.

779
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, it is, there's no weapons. But Chris,

780
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: he's very light. He's he's surprisingly not surprise. I mean,

781
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: he looks like a well a properly bepoors man. I'm

782
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 3: not saying that he is. He's chubby in any way,

783
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: but his actual bone density.

784
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: Light, bird like, yeah, bird like. Yeah. And also he

785
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: was really hot at the time.

786
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking, we're talking sn L, We're talking

787
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: we're talking Lonely Island, We're talking Doctor Speman thirty.

788
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: Sure, and all the lazy Sunday stuff that the whole

789
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have to get into that.

790
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cupcakes and believe me, believe me, yeah, I

791
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: mean like, and he never would have started, yeah, he

792
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: and and I always remember too, I always felt bad

793
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: because you know it's fair to say that, I Josh,

794
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: but Josh.

795
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: Was inside me.

796
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: I couldn't control it. I ruined the big like opportunity.

797
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: Chris was not going to walk away from all that

798
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: lonely Island and thirty rock stuff. Yeah, except that it

799
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: was a sure fire.

800
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: I mean, this was this is slam dunk. Yes, everybody

801
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: involved it. Nothing can go wrong. Well, a lot went wrong.

802
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 2: Josh went wrong. I went wrong.

803
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, you'd show up at these money

804
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: trunk kumites and people would see they'd be like, are

805
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: you I mean you.

806
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: Like you're like the Red Vines guy. You're the rap guy.

807
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Saturday Night Live, Tina Fey's doctor. Yeah, they distract

808
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: them time to strike. I'm the jiu jitsu wing my five.

809
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: You know, we had four fighters and Chris Parnell. Yeah,

810
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: Chris is the distraction. Chris is the weapon. I'm jiu jitsu.

811
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 3: We got a Muay Thai guy, we got a Savat

812
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: guy French kickboxing, and we had a Greco Roman wrestler.

813
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was a really good team. And what

814
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: we would kind of do would be linger around the border,

815
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: try to spread out. We wore distinctive outfits that had

816
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: reflective materials so that you could always see the movements

817
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 3: of the people in your team. Kind of let everybody

818
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: else take out who's going to take out? See who

819
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: the real deal players are.

820
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you could become sort of a human

821
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: hall of mirrors, yeah, big time, and make it impossible

822
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: for your opponents which one they should punch. Yeah, it

823
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: was really, it was.

824
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 3: It was a remarkable strategy, and Josh really did assemble

825
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 3: pretty fantastic team. But I certainly took my body certainly

826
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: took its fair share of lumps in these fights. And yeah,

827
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: no one was happy when I'd show up literally having

828
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 3: not slept. Yeah, with less teeth. I mean, I was

829
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: doing kumatse all night most nights, and then on the

830
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 3: weekends it was you know, the riverboats got involved, and

831
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: that was the real addiction at the end of.

832
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: The day that ended that did the riverboat action did?

833
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 3: The riverboat gambling was like the worst of it. It's

834
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 3: crazy because you'd think someone who's mainlining so many drugs

835
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: into a system would get addicted to that. For some reason,

836
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: my chemistry, my mentality, riverboat gambling wound up being the

837
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: vice that I think did the most damage.

838
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: To Sure, and I would just so we don't leave

839
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: this out. You also did develop an intentional sex addiction,

840
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: like you you know, you announced that you were about

841
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: to get addicted to sex on purpose. Uh, and yeah,

842
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: stop me if this is not something you want to

843
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: get into. You did end up having intercourse with every

844
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: person on the crew, yeah, and most every below the

845
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: line person.

846
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of the a lot of the

847
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: above the line people, Okay, a decent amount less, but

848
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: the below the line people, yeah, which was you know,

849
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: half sexual pleasure, half dominance, dominance, some elements of let's

850
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: get them in my team, sure, you know, some class

851
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: warfare efforts there. I think Josh was really trying to

852
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: divide the haves from the have nots and make himself

853
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: the man of the people so that his behavior could continue.

854
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: Using his greatest asset, which is your your.

855
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: Cock, I mean to say, yeah, I mean that was

856
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: legendary before and it remains so to this day.

857
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: And I also think he sort of used this was

858
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: all because you weren't eating a lot of this now

859
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: in this period.

860
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: Except a lot of really only on the weekends at

861
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: the buffet, the casino buffets. But that was I mean,

862
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: I'll never forget for me, because there were a lot

863
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: of rock bottoms. There were a lot of rock bottoms,

864
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: but I think one of the main ones was like

865
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: Riverboat Casino. You know it's Friday. We would wrap Fridays

866
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: and I would I would be immediately on the internet.

867
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: When is the next flight that I can get right

868
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: now that will take me to uh, you know, to

869
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: the Mississippi River.

870
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: Right big where anything it is?

871
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: River waw yeah, river law once you get out there,

872
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 3: And I mean I'm booking flights on sometimes half an hour.

873
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: Notice this is not cheap.

874
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting to these boats and I'm disappearing onto

875
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: these boats, much to the producer's chagrin.

876
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: And I'm gambling. I'm playing Let It Ride all weekend long.

877
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 3: Just let it Ride, my favorite card game, also Josh's

878
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: favorite card game, which was one of the weird crossover

879
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: points for us.

880
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: And then these buffets peeling, eat Trimp, Peel and eat Trimp.

881
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: My rock bottom, I remember, probably my ultimate rock bottom

882
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: is eating so much peel and Eat shrimp that I'm like,

883
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: I don't like the peeling. I don't like the eating.

884
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: I don't like the shrimp. Why am I doing this compulsion?

885
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm out of control. I wake up I wake up

886
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: and a riverboat casino, a riverboat casino porter is shaking

887
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: me and he's going, sir, sir, you have to head

888
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: back to your room, sir. And I've got, you know,

889
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: the meatless husks of shellfish, Yeah, all over me, the table,

890
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: the floor. And that was a real moment of what

891
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: am I doing? And why have I let this being

892
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: in habit me and lead to these behaviors?

893
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: So, yes, you are correct. I was not eating. No

894
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: one saw me eat on set. It was you would

895
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: sort of fill up for the week, Yeah, and then

896
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: you could sort of sustain himself on your teeth. Yeah,

897
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: for the rest of the week. He would sort of

898
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: use that as sustenance. Yeah, and also like sexual adrenaline.

899
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: I think he would be able to convert into calories somehow.

900
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: But I remember them sending me in to talk to

902
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: you because we would talk about basketball sometimes. Josh had

903
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: a lot of kind of racist angles on the on

904
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: the NBA is my memory of it. He was like

905
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: a fan, but he had a lot of changes.

906
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: He would be, oh, yeah, that were segregation, and yeah,

907
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 3: it was very disturbing.

908
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: It was really really and he would say, uh, where

909
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: are the white Globe Trotters a lot, which was like,

910
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: which is not an NBA thing, but he he was

911
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: hoping for an all white Globe Trotter team, uh that

912
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: could play some black guys and like and he would say, like,

913
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: we'll see how they like it anyway. Uh So they

914
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: were like, you have this thing with him, like what

915
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: you go in and talk to him about the riverboat stuff.

916
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: And I remember saying, like, please go to Atlantic City,

917
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: it's cool driving Foxwood something like that. It really wasn't

918
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: about the the river. It was the lore of the river.

919
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: It was the paddle wheels, josh its own song, the calliope,

920
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: the steam powered calliopees, do do do do do do

921
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 3: do do do those you know, it was the whole

922
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: allure of the river culture itself. And I'll say this,

923
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: for as crazy as things got on the big Lake set,

924
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 3: you have not seen crazy until you have dealt with

925
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 3: river people.

926
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: There's people.

927
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: There's people whose whole lives, there's people who spend their

928
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: whole lives never touching that. Sure, sure they spend their

929
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: whole life on the in the gonna mississipp Do you

930
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: want to play another clip?

931
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what?

932
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 3: The first one was really cathartic and there's nothing I'd

933
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 3: love to do more than play another clip of Big Lake.

934
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: This one is from the episode Lee Harvey oz World,

935
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: which is, of course the episode where Glenn Horatio Saans

936
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: find out finds out that Lee Harvey Oswald used to

937
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: live in his house. And then Josh he's always coming

938
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: up with money making schemes, and his plan is that

939
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: they're going to put Big Lake on the map by

940
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: turning this house into a museum. Yeah, and so this

941
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: is sort of and I don't want to spoil it.

942
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: What a visual punchline. Oh yes, it's not in this scene,

943
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: so maybe we can maybe discuss later. Okay, okay, yeah,

944
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: so let me play this. Let me play this clip.

945
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: This twentieth century history exam only testa ever failed kind

946
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: of devastated me. I left it at your house so

947
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: my parents wouldn't see it.

948
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: I told my parents it was mine. Yeah, they're real

949
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 2: proud of my improvement to give me a pizza party.

950
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: This went over a lot of people's heads at the time.

951
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: I remember people being like, what is that joke me?

952
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: And it's like Glenn was not good yeah at school?

953
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: Me bad for me? Was great for him. Yes, and

954
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 2: so his parents were happy that what would some people

955
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: might think it was a bad grade was a great

956
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: grade FORQ one.

957
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: But it's it's interesting because I remember a lot of

958
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 3: the critical reviews missed that joke, and a lot of

959
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: the fan chatter missed that joke. But luckily the live

960
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 3: studio audience that was there laughing did not miss that

961
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: joke at all.

962
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it had big Yeah, we had to turn it down. Yeah,

963
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: I remember potting down the audience.

964
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: Right, he had to come out and ask all those

965
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 3: live human beings who are there to maybe please, don't

966
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: you know, because it was like almost like a Kramer situation,

967
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: like we know, you guys get it. We know you

968
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: want to show your support, but right, it's maybe overtaking

969
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 3: things a little bit. So all of you live human

970
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: beings who are definitely on this studio floor while we

971
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: shoot this need to just maybe be respectful of the process.

972
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: Such a good student, Josh, But you really pooped the

973
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: crib on this one. Yeah, I didn't study. I had

974
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: a real problem with procrastination. Back then. I could procrastinate

975
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: to anybody. The girl didn't even need to be hot.

976
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: It's the same things, like he's talking about jerking off.

977
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: He's it's unclear if he's confusing the word procrastinate with

978
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: the word masturbate or if he just equates those two things,

979
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: but he's he is masturbating to the girls. Yeah, and

980
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: one thing we should mention is that joke was not

981
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 2: in the script. No, this is a product of far

982
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: of a twisted mind.

983
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: Far from the only time that Josh and sit on

984
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: talking about masturbation and an otherwise masturbation free scene.

985
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: Hey look, my dad's old hats. Hey probably look like

986
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: our dance. Stay away from Asian girls. I'll give you

987
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: a chlamydia. Why are you gonna pop your cherry? Boy?

988
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: Costs a lot of money to make pipe bombs these days.

989
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't drive around half the county selling

990
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: fake bibles just to come home to your crap.

991
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh dad, anyway, I got these books up here too,

992
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: can yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

993
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: I just want to say nothing gave me as an

994
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: actor greater joy than being in the scene where I

995
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: got to help set up the exposition like I did

996
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: so skillfully in that scene. And then just you know,

997
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: take a step back, hang back, you're the tea. Just

998
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: listen to Chris and Heratio just nail those chokes. Yeah right,

999
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: just stand back and watch baby. I set it up,

1000
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: and then right when it's time to start reaping the benefits,

1001
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: I get out of there. Let some other people take

1002
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: the charge and grab them.

1003
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: Laughs. That was one of the great joys in my life,

1004
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: in my Big Lake experience. But I think the a

1005
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: lot of the laughs are on your reaction shots.

1006
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: The way you would kind of roll your eyes, shake

1007
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: your head, the way I was so enthusiastic about that

1008
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: bold faced racist Asian joke.

1009
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: Yeah you give it double thumbs up. Yeah, it's big

1010
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: time double thumbs up right to the camera. And that

1011
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: was my I don't want to like, you know, like

1012
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: as a writing staff, you know, this is all like

1013
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: a collaborative effort. I don't want to say what stuff

1014
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: is mine and like what is other people's.

1015
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: Was the Asian joke, because I would say there were

1016
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 3: I remember at least two other remarkably anti Asian jokes.

1017
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: Sure one was a picture based joke where the joke

1018
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: was that, all, well, your joke. I never forgot it.

1019
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: Then we're looking at a picture of an Asian person,

1020
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: and I believe the joke was I remember this family,

1021
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: this is either the mother or father daughter, some of

1022
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: the joke being all Asian people look the same.

1023
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: It was a joke from Big Lake that I remember,

1024
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: and I wonder who. I have no idea who was

1025
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: so anti Asian on the you haveever that this was

1026
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 2: pre insanity. This was like a different if you remember

1027
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: what America was like back then, there were certain like

1028
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: prejudices at the time that like don't really exist anymore,

1029
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: and you could say certain things.

1030
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: I've always wondered who who did make up all those

1031
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: Asian based.

1032
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: Jokes as I as I say it is the writing staff,

1033
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: that it comes from all different places, and often people

1034
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: don't even remember where this is the room where this

1035
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: stuff comes from. Yeah, so we don't, I mean you

1036
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: you you get a sense of this clip. I notice,

1037
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: uh as we cut between because people know how these

1038
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: shows are made. You know, we'll just do one person's

1039
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: angle and then you get the coverage of other people's angles.

1040
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: But gradually, as this scene plays out, there's like sort

1041
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: of an increasing out of I guess blood kind of

1042
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: spattering the table that they're sitting on, and yeah, some

1043
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: of the characters close and some of it looks like

1044
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: they have tried to clean it up, and.

1045
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 3: A lot of that happening because you know, a lot

1046
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: of the close ups were of course, you know there's

1047
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: close ups and two shots on her istio on Chris

1048
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: because again they were making all the jokes.

1049
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: A lot of the blood would be appearing from off screen.

1050
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 3: Towards the areas where I was at at that point

1051
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 3: becaase the blood was Again there's a I don't love

1052
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 3: talking about this part, and I have apologized to his

1053
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: family because he has passed on since.

1054
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: But there was a man named Hank. Hank was a

1055
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: proud Union man. He was a teamster. He was.

1056
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: Not a PA maybe like a gaffer, yeah, dress boy.

1057
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: He handled rigging wires, electronics. And I don't know why

1058
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: Josh targeted him, but Hank really took one for the

1059
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 3: team and a lot of the way that Josh Josh

1060
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: claimed that he liked to stay present in scenes by

1061
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: lashing out violently, and for some reason, Hank was the

1062
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: object of his desire. With that, and you know, being

1063
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 3: the star of the show, I was able to make

1064
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: some demands on Josh's behalf. And I don't know what

1065
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 3: they had to pay Hank. I don't know exactly what

1066
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: was said or done, or promised or threatened. But Hank

1067
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: would very often when I was off camera, I would

1068
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: stay warm as an actor by physically beating.

1069
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: This elderly man. And I want to be clear, he

1070
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: did not die from that.

1071
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 3: He lived through Big Lake, and he died of natural

1072
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: causes many years later, with I'm sure some emotional scars,

1073
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: but I did not kill a man. But I did

1074
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: hit and kick and humiliate a man over and over

1075
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: and over again.

1076
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: He I mean, you say natural causes. He drove to

1077
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: Big Lake, Pennsylvania.

1078
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: The real the town were not only to say the

1079
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: name legally, but the Big Lakes is based on Yeah.

1080
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: I believe it's low Morton's hometown.

1081
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1082
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: And he he filled his pockets with rocks. Yeah. And

1083
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: he walked into the Big Lake. Yeah.

1084
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I mean, rocks are natural, a

1085
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: lake is natural. Those are pieces of nature.

1086
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: I didn't mean.

1087
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: I did not mean to imply natural causes like old

1088
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: age or anything that.

1089
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: Natural causes, and that nature caused his death.

1090
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: Pertaining to things relating to nature, rocks, lakes, and you

1091
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: did have a sexual that he crawled out on the

1092
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 3: limb of a tree and.

1093
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: You had a sexual relationship with him, Well, yeah, I

1094
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: mean he was a member of the crew, so yeah.

1095
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 2: And also with when David's cop came from the Times,

1096
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: the New York Times to review the show, Yeah, you

1097
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: very quickly, Yeah, did this kind of like sexual psycho

1098
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: drama with him and encouraged him to put it into

1099
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: the end of the piece.

1100
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: It hit the cutting room floor, unfortunately, but you can

1101
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: you can google New York type you put New York

1102
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: Times gethered. I believe the title was the unlikely pressure

1103
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: of being a sitcom star. You can read that article

1104
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 3: right now, and he does not mention the the very

1105
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 3: heavy amount of site, as you say, psycho sexual domination

1106
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: I tried to inflict on him. David Discoff, to his credit,

1107
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: a true journalist, one of the only people strong enough

1108
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: to resist Josh's sexual advances. When Josh wanted it, he

1109
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: generally got it. David Discoff managed to stay impartial. You

1110
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: will notice in the article he did publish one thing.

1111
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 3: He did say a quote from me about how I

1112
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: have only cried it one time thus far. That's a

1113
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: quote you can read in The New York Times, and

1114
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: it's cough left out a lot of other quotes and

1115
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 3: advances and things he witnessed out.

1116
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because there was a.

1117
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: Certain level of a certain way to keep this story

1118
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: professional within the realm of his journalistic interests.

1119
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: And what he didn't explain in the thing is that

1120
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: that you had only cried one time, but it was

1121
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: like continuous.

1122
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was for four days, right, it was on ongoing,

1123
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 3: even I think off camera on camera at the time

1124
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: of that interview. Yeah, even though I generally did not eat,

1125
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: I would go to meals and sit next to other

1126
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: people and cry when they ate. A lot of prolonged

1127
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: eye contact with different people while I just cried, and

1128
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: where if they tried to comfort me or speak, I

1129
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: would physically stop them from speaking. Yeah, I would shake them,

1130
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 3: I'd put my hand over their mouths, and I would

1131
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 3: just look them in the eye and I would sob

1132
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 3: and I would cry.

1133
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: And it felt like, as Josh, I had control of

1134
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: different parts of your body in your eyes, you Chris

1135
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: were crying, but Josh had control of your tongue which

1136
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: was licking up all the tears. That was very enjoying.

1137
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to the point where it was actually

1138
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 3: concern that I was consuming so much. I don't know

1139
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 3: if tears are salt.

1140
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: Water, there's certainly the sodium put Yeah, on.

1141
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: Set, medic actually did have to again strap me down

1142
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: at one point and do all these sodium checks, which.

1143
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 2: I didn't even know where a thing.

1144
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, one of the aspects of the

1145
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 3: sexual side of things that I've never understood because it's

1146
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 3: a physical although I guess this just shows how much

1147
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: of sexuality actually is mental. There's one thing, one thing

1148
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: that Josh was able to do that I've never understood

1149
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: because I've never been able to do it, which was

1150
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: that when Josh would ejaculate, he would not lose.

1151
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: His direction even slightly. Ever.

1152
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: Ever he decided I remember because we sort of yeah,

1153
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 3: witness absolutely it would like jay.

1154
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: Z said, onto the next one, on to the next one,

1155
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: he would it would seem to get more powerful. Yeah.

1156
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like he would it was he wasn't edging,

1157
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: he wasn't stopping himself from ejaculating to continue this sexual domination.

1158
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 3: He would ejaculate healthy amounts of ejaculate, yeah, and then

1159
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 3: just really turn around and continue yeah.

1160
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the velocity of yeah, and it was I.

1161
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: Was always amazed too. If he wanted to ejaculate in

1162
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: a minute's time, he could achieve that. If he wanted

1163
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: to last ninety minutes.

1164
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could achieve that.

1165
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: It was almost like he could just choose when to ejaculate,

1166
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 3: like like like cocking a shotgun and pulling the trigger

1167
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: and then just with that look in his eyes, turn around,

1168
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: who's next.

1169
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: And there was a physical like cocking motion. Oh yeah,

1170
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: with the testicles. Yeah, that was not metaphorical and sound effect. Yeah,

1171
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,959
Speaker 2: I think that he was making with your mouth.

1172
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: He would cut both of my testicles in my hand

1173
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: and then pull them forward. He'd pull them quickly forward

1174
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: and backwards. And while he did that, he'd go and

1175
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 3: then when he ejaculated, he would go boom, boom, and

1176
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 3: then yeah, he would continue on to the next person.

1177
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: But it was it was like he would he would

1178
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: make love, have intercourse, fuck however you want to say it.

1179
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 3: And that was all about the experience and the domination

1180
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: and he ejaculation.

1181
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: He was a rip. Yeah, he'd say him going to

1182
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: rip you, and now's the time that I rip you

1183
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 2: with my thickness. Let's talk about the end of the show.

1184
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: The ratings were obviously good, as you said, the DVD

1185
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: sales were good. I think it was I guess at

1186
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: the time Governor George Battaki was the one who who

1187
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: who got involved. Yeah, and yeah, I guess changed the

1188
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: laws to kind of shut this thing.

1189
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean because Comedy sent this was one

1190
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: of these deals they call him ten ninety deals, Yes,

1191
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: ten episodes, and everyone committed to that. Yeah, we'll get

1192
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: ninety and if it picked up, that means it would

1193
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 3: instantly be eligible for syndication, which is a very big

1194
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: money prospect for any show. And the Comedy Central actually

1195
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 3: offered to They said, we don't want ninety, We're going

1196
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 3: to pick up two hundred, two hundred. We want to

1197
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: commit to an hour of two hundred episodes of Big Lake, right,

1198
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 3: And Governor George Pataki did personally.

1199
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: He came down from Albany when he heard, which I

1200
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: think was it was like a public health public safety

1201
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 2: issue at the time, because, uh, your corpus, you know,

1202
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: your corporeal form was sort of becoming the epicenter of

1203
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 2: this sort of supernatural Well.

1204
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: I think I think when my eyes changed color is

1205
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: when we all got very concerned. I have blue eyes,

1206
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 3: and when they became like a very deep Chestnut Brown. Yeah,

1207
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 3: it was clear just needs to stop.

1208
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: And so he did, and I know that's affecting he's

1209
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: a presidential candidate now, although I think he actually did

1210
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: drop out recently, and I know a lot of that

1211
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 2: was the residual, yeah, resentment over people did want more shows. People.

1212
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: It was interesting because he really he took it from

1213
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: both ends because it's like a lot of people said,

1214
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: we want it more, Big Lake. Who were you to

1215
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 3: stop us from this show that we love? I mean,

1216
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: if you remember the ratings from Big Lake, this is

1217
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 3: a this is a show on Comedy Central, a cable

1218
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 3: network that head to head is going up against I mean,

1219
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: it's going head to head against Monday night Football and

1220
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: it's winning in the ratings. It's going special event episodes, CBS, ABC, NBC,

1221
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: these powerhouses put Big Lake up against anything. Big Likeke

1222
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: didn't even need to be on a regular schedule. You

1223
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: place it against other shows, biggest shows to poach.

1224
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: It was an assassin. Yeah, And I think that's why

1225
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: they did end up airing the finale and at five

1226
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 2: pm on a Friday, was because there was the threat

1227
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: that this would be the end of television. Yeah, and

1228
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: that that people would only would have their need for

1229
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: entertainment satisfied.

1230
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: There was real concern that people would watch the final

1231
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 3: episode of Big Lake and say they nailed it and

1232
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 3: we can finally move on.

1233
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: And destroy their TV. Yeah, and there was a lot of.

1234
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: Viral footage of broken TVs that had been thrown out

1235
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 3: of windows less street the.

1236
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: TV dared to show more I do. I mean I

1237
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: have spoken to you.

1238
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: I mean dozens of people as I've rebuilt my career

1239
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: who have approached me and said, you know, I've never

1240
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: watched TV again since the last episode of Big Lake because, frankly, Sir,

1241
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: I never.

1242
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: Had Tom and I know Josh at the time was

1243
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: discovering an ability to travel between televisions and actually interact

1244
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 2: with viewers. With viewers, Yeah, that got very intense. Were

1245
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: you able to experience that we were following.

1246
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 3: Him physically experienced sexual satisfaction with viewers who were having

1247
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: sex with a character or on their television screen at

1248
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: the time.

1249
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: And I remember very footage from the International Space Station

1250
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: of the satellite that the show is being beamed to

1251
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: taking on sort of Josh's like one like one of

1252
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: the big flaps or whatever became his head yeah, and

1253
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: he sort of possessed this. It was the satellite remarkable.

1254
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 3: He really was.

1255
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: I mean he, like I said, he lived in that world. Yeah,

1256
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: and he was.

1257
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 3: He was self aware enough to know that that world

1258
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 3: was inside TV, and therefore he knew. Yeah, you know,

1259
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: what it almost was was that television to Josh is

1260
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 3: almost like what Lucid dreaming was does. That's when a

1261
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: lot of it really got out of control. Lucid dreaming.

1262
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: A lot of people say that the way you can

1263
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: control it is if you realize you're dreaming and you

1264
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: don't wake up, you can then tell yourself to do things.

1265
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, control your actions, like you can like a girl

1266
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 2: from high school that like you.

1267
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say I want you can say, oh,

1268
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: that girl's behind that door, let me open that door,

1269
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 3: and then she's there, and then you can, you know,

1270
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: have that conversation that wander that you've always wanted to have.

1271
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 3: But Josh, it was very similar when when Josh became

1272
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: self aware that he was a TV character who was

1273
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 3: able to use me to cross over into our world,

1274
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: he also implicitly understood that TV is a thing that

1275
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 3: is broadcast and beamed through fiber optics and satellite signals

1276
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: and that he could use all of those for physical

1277
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: some might say electronic or even metaphysical travel.

1278
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

1279
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 3: This was a very very strange element of my life

1280
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: because it didn't happen within my body, but my body

1281
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 3: would generally shut down when he did it.

1282
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: My eyes would roll into my head and I'd have.

1283
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 3: A lot of There was so many production delays while

1284
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: I had see Shurets just so many times for everybody

1285
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: had to sit around and wait while I had just.

1286
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your life after the show you have

1287
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: well will I will say this and again you're moving

1288
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: on to protect me.

1289
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: But Sean, yeah, Shawn at the top did say he

1290
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 3: didn't want us to just talk about the Big Lake

1291
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 3: experience overall.

1292
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: He did say we should take about the incident.

1293
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you're planning on bringing that

1294
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 3: up later, but I want you to know you don't

1295
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: have to walk away from it that I might be.

1296
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 5: You know, let's I think that's a good way to

1297
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: before we move on to end the show. To end

1298
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 5: the show, so we'll get to that. No, no, no, yeah, wow, okay, yeah,

1299
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 5: this is it.

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Speaker 2: And I think if you want to address the incident,

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Speaker 2: now that would be great, And I think it's good

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Speaker 2: for people to hear the lead up to it as well,

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 2: because they're going to want to like try to cut

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Speaker 2: straight to that. Yeah, but definitely, so, yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: A little context. Dylan Blue, it's the character who played

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Speaker 3: my younger brother. He was thirteen twelve at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, around that age. He was a boy.

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Speaker 2: He was a minor. And I don't mean of the

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Speaker 2: coal variety. Yeah, And I know you're trying to lighten

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Speaker 2: the movie. Yeah, it's actually a very serious I just

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01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 2: don't worry how that's going to come off in this context.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yes, he was. He was underage.

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Speaker 3: He was very underage, and his parents really good people, him,

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Speaker 3: great person. And there was a stretch where production stopped

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Speaker 3: entirely because I disappeared and Dylan disappeared. And one thing

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Speaker 3: that many of the people involved in the show know

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 3: is that I did charter a private plane, and most

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Speaker 3: of those two and a half days, Dylan and I

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01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 3: spent together on that private plane in the air, in

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Speaker 3: the air coming down for refueling.

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Speaker 2: Or often you know, a tanker jet sort of flying

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: alongside you, and yeah, refueling events which I have to say,

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 2: is the type of thing that you can only afford

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Speaker 2: with big Lake money.

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Speaker 3: When you get to that level of money, Yeah, you

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: can private a jet and private or refueling jet actually

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01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: a whole network of refueling jets to remain in the

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Speaker 3: air where people can't stop you or bother you. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of people have wondered forever what happened on

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Speaker 3: that plane. I want to be clear, I did not

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: sexually engaged with an underaged child. I want to get

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Speaker 3: that out of the way right now. That being said,

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Speaker 3: he grew up a lot on that plane in a

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01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: way that was unfair, and I think I'll leave it

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 3: at that. But once I kidnapped a child and took

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01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: to the sky, would you say it was worse than

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: a sexual encounter. Yeah, it's tough to say, because I

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: don't want to discount that. I don't want anyone who's

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 3: a survivor of abuse to listen to this and think

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01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm discounting that making any level of joke about it, right,

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01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: I would never. I mean, the boy was kidnapped, the

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01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: boy was kept in a plane for two and a

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01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 3: half days, The boy could eighty thousand feet in the

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01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: air at a certain times, but something happened then the

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01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: border of space. I took Dill into the border of space.

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01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 3: A lot of things happened up there. A lot of

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01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 3: things happened up there. And you know, once you kidnap

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: a child and you start traveling not just between state

1349
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: lines but through airspace. I mean we were over Canada,

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01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 3: we were over Mexico. We were in the air for

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01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 3: two and a half days straight at that point. Yeah,

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: the governor of New York City is going to personally

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01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 3: come down from Albany and shut you down. And I

1354
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 3: cost a lot of people their jobs, their livelihoods. There

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01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 3: are a lot of people who were excited to do

1356
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: two hundred more episodes of that, a lot of people

1357
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 3: who were already putting down deposits on houses, a lot

1358
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 3: of people who thought they were going to get their

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01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: kids through college without loans. And I took that away

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01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 3: from those people. Josh, I got to tell you, very

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01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 3: frankly that when you hear me get emotional like this,

1362
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 3: and I say, I.

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Speaker 2: That's job.

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01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: You can feel it and you can see it, and

1365
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 3: I see you physically getting back to a place where

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 3: you're showing fear, and I understand because I didn't make

1367
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 3: it easy on people. I never made it easy on people.

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01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 3: But there were some things that Dylan needed to hear

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 3: about acting, about life and yes, about love at times.

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01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 3: And I know that what I did cost a lot

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 3: of people out of money. But I am the alpha,

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01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: and that is how it needed to be.

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: Now, you we do have to end the show. And

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: I see you getting up and walking the door. Yeah

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: I can. I can step back if you need me

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: for more, okay, because the door does need to be

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 2: open for us to be able to leave the studio.

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: Right right, We're gonna leave, right of course, you need

1379
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: to leave because nothing lasts forever? Does it? Nothing least forever?

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: And I've proved that once, and I can prove that again.

1381
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: I can prove that anyway you need me to prove

1382
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: that nothing lasts forever. And you think just because you're

1383
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 3: committing this to audio means that it'll somehow live on

1384
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 3: It'll be proof, it'll be evidence, it'll be a record

1385
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 3: of what happened here.

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01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. I can go in that computer. I can

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01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 2: live in that way.

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, if you have any cute ideas

1389
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: about trying to say something right now, about certain things

1390
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: that maybe I've brought out of my bag, if you

1391
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: want to verbally name what those are. This audio doesn't

1392
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 3: need to exist, and I can travel right through these

1393
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 3: headphones into that computer and I can remove it. So

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 3: say whatever you want, we'll edit it up. A listener

1395
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 3: right now might hear and edit happened, and they'll know

1396
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 3: that that's me being a man of my word.

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Speaker 2: It looks like it looks like you have somehow. It

1398
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: looks like a small version of Chris Gethard in a jar.

1399
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 2: But you're Chris Gethered. I'm not Chris Gethered. That's Chris Gethard.

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01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 2: He's a little man and he is weak, and I

1401
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 2: am strong. I am strong, and I am dominant in

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01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:39,639
Speaker 2: this world.

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 3: Shall know the shallow world, shall know the depths it

1404
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: needs to see.

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01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,799
Speaker 2: Dylan Blue holds secrets.

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 6: Do not listen to this, dy do not listen to secrets.

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 6: And there will be a time when the world here.

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01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 6: There will be a time when the world file.

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01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 3: There will be the inside of the time when Dylan

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01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: Blue understands that their secrets are bye revealed by bye.

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying bye. We'll show when the secret and then

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: I will not be the villain.

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01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: I will be your hero and you will look back

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 3: on Big Lake and you will know it was never

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01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 3: a television show.

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01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 2: It was a bible. It was a guy's guy.

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 3: Live your life and how you need to live your

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01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: life and the gods you need to repent to.

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 2: My friends are within Big Lake. Look to your DVD's

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: and know that gods will not forgive you. Hey, everybody,

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: it's Paul Sheer.

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Speaker 7: I have a podcast with June, Dian Raphael, and Jason

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 7: Manzucas where we watch the worst movies ever made and

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01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 7: then we try to figure out how did this get made?

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01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:39,879
Speaker 2: Do we get answers?

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: No?

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 7: But I think it's a fun time. It's kind of

1428
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 7: like talking with all your friends after you watch a

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 7: really shitty movie.

1430
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: Here, take a listen what I know of tornadoes? Their wind?

1431
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: Essentially June with an amateur state go ahead. Wind starts

1432
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: to sort of pick up dirt and debris and it

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: kind of laughs. You know nothing about no, no, no no.

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: You listen to how Did This Get Made?

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01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 7: On Earwolf or your favorite podcast app.

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Speaker 2: We would love it if you did.

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