1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit. 3 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: All right. We have a ton of cars to talk 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: about today, which is cool, right because. 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: But that's why people really listen. 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think so. I mean, who knows 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: why they listen. We do appreciate that you do listen, right, But. 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: I think the number three, I don't know when I buy. 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: When I buy a magazine at the newsstand, which I 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: used to do when they were magazines for sale at 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: the newsstand, the first thing I do is scan the 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: cover to see which brands and which models are going 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: to be in there, right. 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: So give them the headlines, Matt. 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: All right, So we're going to talk about the BMW 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: M five. It's one that Hannah had already driven. It's 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: a hybrid, a plug in hybrid, and for those who 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: haven't figured it out yet, the way this works is 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: Hannah gets to drive these awesome cars right away. She's 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: invited to the premieres, and I usually wait like a year, 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: and then I get to drive them too. So you've 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 2: already written about it for. 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Pursuits, I wrote about it. I drove it in Miami, 24 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, I had thoughts. We'll include the link to 25 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: that review in the podcast description. 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: And then the Ford Mustang, the new generation has been 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: around for a long time. Obviously, the GT is the 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: one you want. 30 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the GT is the one you want. 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: But now there's a California special, So I'm driving that 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 2: this week. 33 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: I need to request that. I don't know if I've 34 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: got my hands on that. 35 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: I mean, are there are some issues? But I thought 36 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: there was. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: It was an interesting juxtaposition to the M five, even 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,279 Speaker 2: though no one is ever going to cross shop those things. 39 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: But I'll explain when we get there. Hey, I drove 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: the Ford Ranger Raptor, which is the small truck, Raptor 41 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: version of the small truck that Ford makes, not the smallest, 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: not the Maverick, but the media midsize truck, and I 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: have thoughts on that also as a former F one 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 2: fifty Raptor owner, it means a lot to me, the 45 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: whole brand. And then you have a couple of like 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: supercars that are I think the opposite ends of the spectrum. 47 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I have upcoming the Aston Martin Vantage Roadster. 48 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: That's the convertible which is perfect time for summer. And 49 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: then next week I'll be traveling to Bozeman, Montana to 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: drive the full range of the twenty twenty six model 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: line of from Bentley, So that's on the other side 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. And I also think we should talk 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: about this piece I did this week on how to 54 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: plan a good summer drive, and it sounds really simple, 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: but I actually learned a few nice little things from 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: these road going veterans that I spoke with about that 57 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: that piece. 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: Definitely want to talk about, the summer driving piece, and 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: I also got to ask some questions about the my 60 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: bock gls that you're going to try, which is meaningful 61 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: to me because I have a non my bat but 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: non my bock GLS that has some pros and cons. 63 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: All right, let's get straight into it with the M five. 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: You drove this already. We have the link to your 65 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: story in the description, and it's a car that I 66 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: think was controversial because it gets ever larger, ever heavier. 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: But give me your take on the ultimate driving machine 68 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: in the executive sedan part of this. 69 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: I have to admit at first, I was a little 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: skeptical just because it's a huge sedan it does doesn't 71 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: look great in my opinion, but the M five is 72 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: the N five. It's this is the seventh generation version. 73 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: It's an icon. I went in with an open mind. 74 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: The number one thing that people asked about it, and 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: which I was really curious about two was how much 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: does it feel heavy? Because it looks big and it's 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: a hybrid, it just looks like a big baller car. 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: I think it weighs about fifty four hundred pounds. And 79 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: I have to say that I thought it drived amazing. 80 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what you thought, Matt, but you know, 81 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventeen horse power. It goes zero to 82 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: sixty miles an hour in three point four seconds, so 83 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: it's it's already faster and more powerful than anything that 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: came before it in the M five line. I ended 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: up really liking it. Thought it handled fine. I admittedly 86 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: did not have it in the canyons I was. I 87 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: drove it in Miami, and Miami has a lot of flat, 88 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: straight roads, so I wasn't canyon carving in it, but 89 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: certainly and I actually drove people in the backseat like 90 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: some of some car guys who loved the backseat, you know, 91 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: it has a real executive style rear, so I actually 92 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: thought to wrap all of that up for the prize, 93 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: which is about one hundred and twenty thousand. That seemed 94 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: fair for what you get. 95 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: So I I'll start with the weight, right, because that's 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: also the number one question people asked me. Yeah, it's 97 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: a concern my neighbor, you know, Eric, he's a BMW fanboy. 98 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: He hasn't and for gts he cares a lot about 99 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: the weight. He had an M two and he doesn't 100 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: like the new one because it is heavier. I was 101 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: thinking about it as I got in the car, and 102 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: to me, this M five feels extraordinarily light. Like yes, 103 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: I thought it felt like the whole car is made 104 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: of carbon fiber, and the one that I drove did 105 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: have the carbon fiber package that costs three thousand dollars 106 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: extra carbon. 107 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: Fiber roof, but it just felt really light. 108 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: The issue that I had was that it felt so huge, 109 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: like I felt like it was so far to the 110 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: edge of the hood and so far to the rear. 111 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: It was just and and it's very wide also, so 112 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: I thought it just felt like a gigantic car. And 113 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: for the first couple of days, that I drove it 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 2: just to and from work. I wasn't really that impressed. 115 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: That all changed when I put it into M one 116 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: and M two. You know, you have the little red 117 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: buttons on the steering wheel, it's like sport and track mode, 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: and drove it in anger. It is extremely fast, I know. 119 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: I mean, this is like mind blowingly fast. And I 120 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: had the same thought when I was driving the M two, 121 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: like wow, this is a rocket. But the M five 122 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: is on another level in terms of its quickness and 123 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: in terms of, you know, the time it takes for 124 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: you to get to triple digits without realizing that you're 125 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: doing triple digits, which we don't want to do right 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: on public, not in Miami, No, or here in New York. 127 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: But it was happening a lot. 128 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: I also thought it was incredibly precise, like almost too precise, 129 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: and that was kind of a I don't know if 130 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: it was a pro or a con for me, because 131 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: having something so big that is so quick and so 132 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: precise is just weird. 133 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: I don't think anything can be too precise. I agree 134 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: it's weird, but weird is good. I totally agree. I 135 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: think weird is good. It's memorable and so many of 136 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: these cars, even from BMW the Sedans, there are so 137 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: many of them it's really hard to remember which is which. 138 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: And I would say you do not have that problem 139 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: with the M five. And to your point about the size, 140 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: I actually just look back at my review. It's over 141 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: four inches longer and almost three inches wider than the 142 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: previous model, So you're one thousand percent right, it is 143 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: substantially bigger. But I agree. I think for them to 144 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: achieve the kind of handling that we both thought independently 145 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: of each other on a car that size is pretty special. 146 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: BMW is doing a really really good job right now 147 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: in a very tough landscape. 148 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: They are absolutely crushing it. 149 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean. The other thing is I didn't feel the 150 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: hybridness of this car as much as say I did 151 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 2: in the Corvette E Ray right where they have an 152 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: electric motor on the front and they have the V 153 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: eight running the rear wheels on that you can really 154 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: feel it. And it wasn't a it's not a dang 155 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: like I love obviously the E Ray I talk about 156 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 2: it all the time, but in this I couldn't really tell. 157 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: With the exception of how fast it was getting from 158 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: zero to eighty like, uh. 159 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: There is launch control also on this car. 160 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: I didn't even I didn't. I didn't mess around with that. 161 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: I just. 162 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 2: After I realized how quick and precise it was, I 163 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: just drove it as fast as I could and tried 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: to you know, weaven traffic. 165 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: This is why, this is why, at least in LA, 166 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, people who drive BMWs have a certain reputation driving. 167 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: I will have earned that reputation. And by the way 168 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: it looks, it looks the part also, the one I 169 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: had was the Sepia metallic paint, which is like a 170 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: dull blue gray, but if you look at it in 171 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: wherever the sunlight is shining, it looks more like a 172 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: yellow carbon fiber. Oh. 173 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: And it's it's cool, like. 174 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: In a it's cool in like a bmw M car 175 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: kind of way, Like if I went to a bmw 176 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: M Cars and coffee, everybody there would love it, like 177 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, and there's carbon fiber taped everywhere else. But 178 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: I will say, the the shape the like, if you 179 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: take away the paint, and if you take away the 180 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: quickness and the precision, it's not a great looking car. 181 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: I don't think. Oh, it didn't even. 182 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 2: Grow on me. Over the week and my daughter we 183 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 2: were walking down the street back from like the ice 184 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: cream shop to where we parked, and she turned and 185 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: went to get into an M three that was sitting there, 186 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's not our car, and she said, Daddy, 187 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: looks the same. Yes, they all look the same, you know, 188 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: one's just bigger. 189 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I had one that was purple, like the deep purple color. 190 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: And yeah, the car's rather brutalist, like it's it's very 191 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: it's brutal. It feels like a punch, you know. It's 192 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's not an elegant looking car. It's 193 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: not a sexy looking car. It's like a punch in 194 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: the face. And maybe maybe you like that. I did 195 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: think that if we're going to talk about like carbon 196 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: the interior does come with a lot of options. You 197 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: can get carbon packages, you can get Bowers and Wilkins 198 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: sound upgrades, all that stuff, and you can kind of 199 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: speck it to be really wild or more calm. I 200 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: think I'm personally a little bit more of the calm 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: side of things. 202 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would want it more elegant, although I mean, look, 203 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: I didn't even really think about the interior that much 204 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: over the last. 205 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: Week, did you how did you feel about the unlock 206 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: function for the car? It wasn't work, but see, Okay. 207 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking that I did something wrong, that 208 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: I messed up the settings because I would approach with 209 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: the key fob in my pocket and pull the door 210 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: and it didn't work. 211 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: I had to actually get the key fob out and 212 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: press unlock. 213 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a weak spot. 214 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that couldn't have been changed in settings. 215 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: But I will say that the one I drove, you 216 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 2: quoted a price of almost one hundred twenty and I've 217 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: seen in a base price reported of one twenty five. 218 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: The one I drove was one forty six and change. 219 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: And that's before the delivery fee, which carmakers are now 220 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: raising delivery fees so that they don't have to raise 221 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: the MSRP, but they still get more money. Right, So, 222 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: when the garage attendants asked me what do you think, 223 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: as they inevitably do, I was like, it's just too expensive, 224 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: Like it's an amazing vehicle, but I find it a 225 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: little overpriced considering the. 226 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: Competition. 227 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: Right, you're testing this against the Mercedes AMGGT, You're testing 228 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: it against an Audi RS seven, a poor chapanamer a 229 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: Cadillac CTSP Blackwing. 230 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: This is a big executive sedan. I don't think you'd 231 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd put an AMGGT against it, the. 232 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: Four door, the four door GT. 233 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: So maybe an S class right. 234 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 2: Seven series, though, I would think that AMG GT four 235 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: door because it's got four doors, it's got four seats. 236 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: There is some space in the back, but there's not 237 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: enough space in the back for two rear facing child seats. Okay, 238 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: when you're moved all the way back anyway, I just think, like, 239 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: wouldn't I rather have a Cadillac CT five V black Wing. 240 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: The CT five V black Wing does feel small compared 241 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: to this. 242 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've. 243 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: Got a supercharged V eight instead of the hybrid turbocharged 244 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: V eight. I don't know which one is gonna be faster. 245 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: Who cares if one's three point four or six. 246 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: I would prefer the harbrid. I will say we should 247 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: let everybody know. This gets twenty five miles on electric 248 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: only range, and it gets about fifty miles per gallon 249 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: equivalent using combined gas and electric power. 250 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 2: It I emptied that tank in like three days. 251 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: Well, there you have it. 252 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: Anyway, there you have it so a weird thing. You 253 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: would never think about cross shopping this with a Mustang, 254 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: I know. And the Mustang that I drove, this that 255 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: I that I got into after this. The only reason 256 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: I thought about it was the BMW doesn't make a 257 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: ton of noise. It's super fast and it's super precise. 258 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: Then I got into this Mustang GT. It makes a 259 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 2: lot of noise, it isn't nearly as quick, and it's 260 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: definitely not nearly as precise. It feels so much sloppier. 261 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: And this is not a ding because I love the Mustang. 262 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: I would buy the Mustang myself with my own money, 263 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be out nearly as much money. But 264 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: it just highlights having driven the M five highlighted to 265 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: me what a different experience a pony car or a 266 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: muscle car is compared to what BMW is making. Yes, unrefined, Yeah, 267 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: I mean I want I want. 268 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: The inferior, do you. I mean, it's just it's not 269 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: wrong to say a car is inferior to another car. 270 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: No, it's not. And I mean, obviously there's a huge 271 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: price difference. 272 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Sure there's a huge but the price difference reflects what 273 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: you're getting, and there is a you can draw a 274 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: general line between what you pay for and what you 275 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: get with cars. I mean, it's just like it's like 276 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: driving the old Corvette. That car is the worst driving 277 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: car ever. It's terrible, it's slow, it's like a ten Can. 278 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: It's horrible. Doesn't mean I don't love it. It's to 279 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: talk more about the Mustang because I'm I want to 280 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: hear comparison. 281 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: The reason that I can compare the two because it 282 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: is not a manual. And I will say that I 283 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: messaged Dan Barbosa as soon as they pulled it into 284 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: my driveway, who is the head of PR for Mustang. 285 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: At least he's respect for me. And I was like, dude, 286 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: do no Mustangs come with a stick anymore? Because the 287 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: last I think three that I've gotten from four to 288 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: test out have had an auto box. And he was like, 289 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: none of the Mustangs that go to New York have 290 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 2: a stick. But to me, you buy this car for 291 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: the stick, Like that's the reason. 292 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: That's the type of car you want to stick, not 293 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: in the M five hybrid, And. 294 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: That's probly a reason that you would buy the black 295 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: Wing also in the M five obviously, that's not even 296 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: an option, so that's not a possibility. But that's that's 297 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: an issue, I guess with whoever's putting together a Ford's 298 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: press car. You can buy this with a stick and 299 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: by the way, it's the only two door V eight 300 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: I think that you can get with a stick rear 301 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: wheel drive at all. 302 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: Something that's something? 303 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: Is there any other that you can think of? 304 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: Like the Black Wing is a four door and also 305 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: costs over one hundred thousand, so that doesn't rule it 306 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: out of the category. But this Mustang, even with the 307 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: California special package that they put on it is only 308 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: fifty six. I can't think of any other car right 309 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 2: that has it that has a V eight and a stick. 310 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: No, it might, I mean, I won't say nothing. 311 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: There's no Portia. 312 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: No I'm not, I'm nothing is coming to mind. 313 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: No, there's no Audi. There's definitely no other car from 314 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: GM because the Corvette doesn't have a stick. 315 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, thumbs up or thumbs down. 316 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: Oh I love it. I absolutely love it. I mean, 317 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: to me, the Mustang. It makes you feel like a teenager. 318 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: You feel like I wasn't the captain of the football team. 319 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: Homecoming King but I feel like it when I'm driving 320 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: this car and it's the drop top. So like the 321 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: point I was gonna make is that you because I 322 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: drove the M five previously, I feel how sloppy it is. 323 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: But the Mustang, the. 324 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 2: Mustang is in comparison to that. But that's not a reason. 325 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: Like I still had the time of my life coming 326 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: to work this morning with the top down, making as 327 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: much noise as possible. You can choose between on the 328 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: You can have a quiet start, you can have a 329 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: race exhaust, you can have the track exhaust. I obviously 330 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 2: go straight to the most obnoxious level, even though I 331 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 2: hate when other people do it, you know, So, I mean, 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: it's so much fun. 333 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: This is true. It can be sloppy and fun. Of course, 334 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: these don't exist separately. Do you think the Mustang has 335 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: been hurt by the amount of rental fleets that carry 336 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: Mustangs for tosts? 337 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: Not really, I mean not anymore than it was ten 338 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: years ago when the same thing was true. Like you've 339 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: always been able to rent Mustangs from Hurts. They famously 340 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: have had a partnership since like the sixties and at 341 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 2: least the sixties. But the same is true with Challengers 342 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: and Camaros, and so that whole class of car, of 343 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: which the Mustang is essentially the only one left right now. 344 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: I think, yes, has been hurt by the fact that 345 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: they're cheap, crappy versions. At It hurts, but there always 346 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: have been, so they're not hurt anymore now than they 347 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 2: were then. And frankly it's I mean, even though it's 348 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: not an M five, it's a it's a far better 349 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: vehicle than it was at the time. 350 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: Oh well, no question about that, no question. Every every 351 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: vehicle is a far better vehicle. I mean, the baseline 352 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: for new cars today is EON's better than they ever. 353 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: They're way safer, way more effishent all the things true, 354 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: quieter when you want them to be quiet. I personally, 355 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: for me, would say that the fact that every time 356 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: I see a Mustang convertible, I assume it's a tourist 357 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: means I would never want to own one or an islander. Well, 358 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: that bothers me less than it bothers you. But you know, 359 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: there is something that I think, at least in California, 360 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: every European tourist rents them and drives them up the coast, 361 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: you know, And I actually do think that hurts the 362 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: Mustang brand as being seen as a special car. 363 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I do as well. 364 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: I just was thinking it doesn't hurt anymore now than 365 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: it did ten years ago or twenty years ago. 366 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: It always been like that. Oh no, that's true. That's true. 367 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: I know it's always been like that because I'm the 368 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: guy at the rental counter who's like, hey, do you 369 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: have a Mustang? 370 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that there there. 371 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: My point is more than they're ubiquitous. And I'm all 372 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: about you know, if you've got a convertible, you should 373 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: feel it should feel special, and you know, like your 374 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: I love the idea that it feels like you're the 375 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: only one left. 376 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: All right, Speaking of special, I want to talk about 377 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 2: another board vehicle that I got to drive last week, 378 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: and that is the Ranger Raptor. And I will be 379 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: the first to admit that I typically discount smaller trucks, 380 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 2: like I want small trucks. I just feel like you 381 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: can't fit as much into the back. You don't have 382 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: as much room inside, Like, what's the point I can't 383 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: put a motorcycle in the back, right, so. 384 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: Unless I leave the tailgate open? 385 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: Yes, But This is the type of truck that I 386 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: would use to like go to the home depot, run 387 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: around on the weekends, like move random furniture from one 388 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: place to another, like take the dog to the beach 389 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: and get the dog in the back once we get 390 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: there and get her all clean, you know, like all 391 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: that stuff, all the like rugged stuff. And also would 392 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: be the perfect truck that you can draw when you 393 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: don't really want to worry about your vehicle just in general. Yeah, 394 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: I like that, but you can still park it. It's 395 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: not oversized. The worst thing to me is these enormous, oversize, 396 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: huge construction trucks that you can't park. They don't even 397 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: they barely even fit in the driveway, let alone a garage. Okay, 398 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: really just for the work site. 399 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: I mean. So those are my favorite vehicles basically. Okay, 400 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: this is one of the highlights of where we differ, 401 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: because my favorite trucks are the heavy duty, the super 402 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: duty trucks that have like a six inch lift and 403 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: a seven diesel motor. But yeah, everyone knows that about me, and. 404 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: They're almost unusable though. 405 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: I know, but they're they're great highway cruisers and I 406 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: can fit like my entire family plus uh, you know, 407 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: a full staff on the inside, and you know, two 408 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: big bikes in the in the bed. 409 00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 3: I mean. 410 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: My point though, is that I had so much fun 411 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: driving this little Ranger Raptor, and lately I've been having 412 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: fun driving other small trucks. I drove a GMC Canyon 413 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: even with a small motor that I liked. I drove 414 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: Toyota Tacoma. Like these have been have been really fun 415 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: in my experience the last couple of years. And what 416 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: I've been thinking is they're like jeeps. They drive like jeeps, 417 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: like like Wranglers or Broncos, and yet they're they're just 418 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 2: a little bit more useful. 419 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: So thumbs up. 420 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Love it. Now, the let's talk about the Raptor. Just 421 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: so people know this is, uh, it's a V six. 422 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, it's a turbo charge V six. 423 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: Four x four obviously snappy, snappy. 424 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: Okay, horsepower and change like four hundred and five or 425 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 2: something horsepower. 426 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: Do you do any pors with it? Or like put 427 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: a bicycle in the back or take the girls out or. 428 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: I took it. 429 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: So this is again one of the issues in terms 430 00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: of size. 431 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: Right, I have car seats and I've got to put 432 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: the kids in them, and so this is not a 433 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: big cab. I have to move the driver's seat all 434 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: the way forward in order to put rear facing car 435 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: seats in the back. But you're not buying this car 436 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: for that, So I don't ding it for that. But yeah, 437 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: I did like family stuff. I went to Costco, and 438 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: it's like I would put a cab on the back, 439 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: like a cap on the back. That is what I mean, 440 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: because if you're going to Costco, you don't want the 441 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: open back or a cover. But it's just I felt 442 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 2: like very jeepish in this and all these other trucks. 443 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 2: But this is another level higher the Ranger treatment or 444 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: the Raptor treatment, I should say, over, you know, your 445 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: base model, but you're paying for that, Like it's almost 446 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars this truck. 447 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Would you rather have the sixty thousand dollars truck or 448 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: the fifty whatever thousand dollars Mustang. 449 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: I would rather have Mustang. 450 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: The Mustang's like a party. Every time you get in. 451 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: It's a celebration, you know. And like, fortunately we already 452 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: have a family truckster for the kids. So if I 453 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: had to choose for a second car, the Mustang. I 454 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 2: want to put on a letter jacket when I'm driving it. 455 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: You know, it's just too But yeah, the Ranger Raptor 456 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I'd still prefer an F one 457 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: fifty Raptor from the first generation when they had the 458 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 2: six point two liters V eight. 459 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: I haven't driven I haven't driven this this truck, so 460 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: I can't really talk about it, but sounds awesome. I 461 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: love small trucks. I mean, I learned to drive a 462 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: stick on a truck, on a Ford truck. 463 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: So this should have a stick, by the way, which 464 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: it's not available with a stick, And I know that. 465 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: I mean, people probably get annoyed hearing me say this 466 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: all the time, but I just don't get it, Like, 467 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 2: why wouldn't you make a stick inconvenient and expensive? I 468 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: talked again with people from GM this week and I 469 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: was asking again why there's no stick in the Corvette 470 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 2: and it's. 471 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: Just the same answer. I mean, nobody buys them, and 472 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: so it's not worth the money to put it in. 473 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean, well, the good news is that it makes 474 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: the trucks that had a stick shift, or the cars that. 475 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: Had one special. 476 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: I saw a C six Corvette Z six driving down 477 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: the highway the other day and I was thinking, what 478 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: a sweet purchase that is now, like or a C seven, right, 479 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 2: uh huh. Obviously the C eights an amazing vehicle and 480 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: the performance is incredible, but now you can just go 481 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: back and get one of those for much less money 482 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: and you actually get to row your own gears. 483 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: I I think, honestly you're right about the C six. 484 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: It's going to age better and better. I'm not honestly 485 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: in love with it at this point, but probably in 486 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: ten years I'll think it's cool. Yeah, let's be hones. 487 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 3: Maybe not as cool as the Uh. 488 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, let's talk about the story that 489 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: you wrote for Summer Driving. 490 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, summer driving. 491 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 3: What's what's the idea? 492 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: Like I did a I did a three hundred mile 493 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: trip on on my hog the other day, which was 494 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: pretty pretty awesome. 495 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 3: But you're thinking about the car. 496 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: This is more about cars. But it's a very simple idea. Obviously, 497 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: we're now in quote unquote the summer season, Memorial Day 498 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: is gone, and a lot of people are going to 499 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: do road trips. Some people take them very seriously. And 500 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: the and the people that I spoke with for this 501 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: story for instance, this one guy, he goes by Pelly. 502 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: He drives from Portland, Oregon down to La often and 503 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: he avoids I five, which is the main throughfare. He 504 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: does everything he can, even if it as a day 505 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: of driving, to go on back roads. And his big hack, 506 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: which I thought was really smart, was he uses a 507 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: print at road at liss and he looks for water 508 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: because typically if there's a river or a coastline or 509 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: even you know, lakes, there's going to be an interesting 510 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: road that follows that the water. So at the point, 511 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: it's a really good point. And you know, this guy's 512 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: my age, so he still does remember being a little 513 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: kid and their parents. You know, your parents have the road, 514 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: the Rand McNally road atlas out and they're like trying 515 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: to find where to go. And I said, obviously, you 516 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: can use apps if you want. He also suggested, you know, 517 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: if you look at message boards that bicyclists use, like 518 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: very serious cyclists, they also know really good roads because 519 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid major highways and they want kirby 520 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: nice country roads just like drivers. But the fall of 521 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: the water, I think I think was my favorite piece 522 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: of advice. 523 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: That is a great piece of advice. I mean, it's 524 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: also really nice to actually look at the water and 525 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: your surroundings. The main thing I've taken away from my 526 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: recent transition to Harley Davidson Ryder is if I'm not 527 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: trying to go as fast as I can, which on 528 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: a Ducatta, you know, I'm always trying to push the 529 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 2: limit on the Harley, I'm happy to just cruise along 530 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: and I actually have time to look around me. Yes, 531 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: and I would love to drive more roads that are 532 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: next to water because it's not just you know, to 533 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: get the curve or twist your more undulating road, but 534 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: you also get like really cool visuals. 535 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Yes, it's very peaceful. Pelly also said, obviously it's worth 536 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: it to get up at dawn. Obviously during summer months 537 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: you want to avoid the heat number one, but also 538 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: number two, if you are driving early, the water, whatever 539 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: water you're by is going to be gorgeous. You'll avoid 540 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: traffic the lights better if you're taking photos and just 541 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: intaking beauty, like beauty for itself is valuable, has a 542 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: lot of value. And so yeah, we did talk about 543 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: just being by waters naturally calming. Now can we talk 544 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: about your motorcycle ride. 545 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was awesome. 546 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: I did it all in one day in terms of 547 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: the ride from Fredericksburg to Scarsdale, so I took it. 548 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: I woke up early in the morning, took the train 549 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 2: instead of the plane down south, and that was the 550 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: right decision. I brought my iPad so I could watch 551 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: the Moto GP sprint and that was that didn't that 552 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: did not disappoint. And then I got down there around 553 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: two o'clock, picked up the bike, and I was home 554 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: by like nine thirty. It was. 555 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: It was initially like. 556 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 2: The first half hour or so was terrifying because I 557 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 2: don't know this bike very well, and I'm immediately on 558 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: ninety five North it's like a five lane highway with 559 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: every truck trying to kill me. But then it got 560 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: into like a nice winding two lane road into DC, 561 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: and everyone who's driven around in and around DC knows 562 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, like a sort of parkway, and 563 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: that there's kind of like stop and go traffic the 564 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: whole time, but moving at a pretty brisk pace. So 565 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: on a motorcycle you got a chance to do a 566 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: lot of weaving and lane splitting at slower speeds, and 567 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: it's a huge confidence builder. Like absolutely gigantic. So then 568 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: for the rest of the time, you know, I'm wanting 569 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: to get home, so like pedal to the metal, pushing 570 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 2: triple digits but not quite. And it was a great ride, yeah, 571 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: really good. 572 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: It's such a like seven hour, seven hour ride. 573 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: It took me about seven hours, and it's like, obviously 574 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: on that trip, I'm not enjoying myself so much. I'm 575 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: just trying to make time and get home. But then 576 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: I took the bike out the next day for most 577 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: of the day, you know, around me up to Bear Mountain, 578 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: out to Connecticut all around, and it's just a totally 579 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: different vibe riding a Harley than a Ducati, even like 580 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: a multi strata because I found myself like often going 581 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: under the speed limit, which just because I was chilling, 582 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: like you know, you're on like a road sofa, you're 583 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 2: like looking around. 584 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 3: It's it's very different. 585 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: Any particular fatigue in your body after, especially like the 586 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: longer ride. 587 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: On the on the long ride, a ton of it 588 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: in my hips and my legs in general, because I'm 589 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: not used to having my feet in front of me, 590 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: you know, I'm used to riding a motorcycle with my 591 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: feet behind me, so it'll take a while, I think 592 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: for those muscles to develop, but I think, you know, 593 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: my biggest takeaway was it's just so there's a feeling 594 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: of fullness of warmth when you have that much displacement 595 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 2: motivating you with the same amount of cylinders. Like my 596 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: Ducattis are mostly like a thousand or twelve hundred CC's 597 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 2: for two cylinders, and this thing is like two thousand 598 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: CC's for two cylinders. And you know, I'm not up 599 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: in the high revs. I'm still I'm holding around two 600 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: or three, maybe four thousand max for the most part. 601 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: And it's just like you've got so much more there. 602 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: It's just a really different feeling and really rewarding. 603 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: Did people treat you differently on a Harley than they 604 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: do on a Dukati? Drivers or people at gas stations 605 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: and stuff. 606 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't think I've had enough time with it to 607 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: know the answer to that, but I mean, I know 608 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: that it's a totally different kind of cosplay. 609 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 3: Both things are right, but going. 610 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: To change for sure. 611 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: On the On the Ducati it's like a Power Rangers thing. 612 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: You know, you've got sliders everywhere, and and on the 613 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: Harley it's much more chilled out like I now I 614 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: understand why you'd want to ride just in a Hawaiian shirt. 615 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: You know, are you going to Sturgis? Is this the 616 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: beginning of your Sturgis era? 617 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm I'm too scared of like 618 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: the one percenters. I don't want like I'm a softie 619 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: for sure. 620 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: Well yeah, but I'm happy. 621 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 2: To uh, you know, go out my mustache and yeah, 622 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: I mean I would definitely I would love to go 623 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 2: to Sturgis. But I'm I'm I ride around, I see 624 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: other Harley guys and I know, okay, that is a 625 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: suburban dad pretending he's a motorcyclist for the day. 626 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: You know, do they do they like you know, acknowledge 627 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: you do they give you. 628 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 3: A little yeah, for sure. 629 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: You know everybody gives the two wheels down sign, and 630 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: that's the same I think on all motorcycles, even scooters 631 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 2: will flash on the peace sign. 632 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: So there's not a special I mean, forgive my ignorance, 633 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: there's not a special sign only among Harley riders. 634 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: No, it's the same as anytime you see another motorcyclist. Now, 635 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: a lot of times, you know, sport bikers won't maybe 636 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: acknowledge Harley riders or vice versa. Yeah, I think, but 637 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 2: it's the same signal, you know, two fingers like yeah, 638 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: and you do it in the most relaxed way you 639 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: can to show how cool I relax, I'm in control. 640 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 2: You are. 641 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, very not very subtle. 642 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mind that I'm doing, you know, a 643 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 2: hairpin corner at ninety I can still this. 644 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 645 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: So do you have you still have a couple du 646 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: katti's yeah, right, but now you've got a Harley. I'm 647 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: not going to ask you how many you have, but 648 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: does this feel like a complete stable for you at 649 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: the moment? 650 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: I honestly, I mean, okay, I've only had it for 651 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: a week, but I honestly feel like this is the 652 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: only bike that I need. Wow wow, unless I'm going 653 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: on longer tours than I'd rather have the multi Strata. 654 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean for just driving for a couple hours, 655 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 2: riding around you know, the Catskills are going up to 656 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: the Adirondacks, Like I, this is all I really need, 657 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 2: And I think it's a lot safer for me because, 658 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 2: like I said, if I'm on a twelve hundred cc 659 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: Testa Strada, you know, I feel like I'm wanting to 660 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: push the limits all the time. I just want to 661 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 2: go faster, I want to lean further, I want to 662 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: you know, get my adrenaline up, Whereas on this bike, 663 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm just happy to have an open face helmet and 664 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 2: feel the wind blow my beard. 665 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: Like, you know, how has Mary you been on it? 666 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 3: She has. 667 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 2: When we went to Austin for the Moto GP, we 668 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 2: rented one and she rode on the back. 669 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: But I know she rides too, right, Yeah, I. 670 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 2: Was gonna say, like, I can imagine getting myself an 671 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 2: even bigger bike. 672 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: I got the Fat Bob, which is the Cruiser. 673 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: Right. I can imagine myself one day getting a road King, 674 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 2: which is a touring bike, and then letting her ride 675 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: the Cruiser. 676 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: Oh that could be cute. 677 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. 678 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you ride it west, maybe you ride 679 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 1: it cross country for you know, Monterey Car Week, for instance. 680 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: If I had the days off, if I had the 681 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: time to. 682 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: Do that, maybe we do a Hot Pursuit podcast extravaganza 683 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: from Monterey Car Week. 684 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 2: Oh you know what we should point out before we 685 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 2: wrap it up that we are going to Lamont. 686 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: This is a really big deal. You guys everybody listening. 687 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: We are so excited about this. This is our first 688 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: co branded. 689 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: UH Group Tricks. 690 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: Field trip to Lamon the twenty four hour race in June. 691 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 2: I'm super pumped, especially because, well, I'm glad that you're 692 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,919 Speaker 2: going with me, and I've never seen the twenty four 693 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: Have you been to Laman before? 694 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: I've been to the track, I have not been to 695 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: the race. 696 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I have also not been to this twenty four 697 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 2: hour race or any twenty four hour race. 698 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: It's grueling. It is grueling, but it's fun. 699 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be grueling. And also, I don't drink anymore, 700 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 2: so what do you do for twenty four hours? Well? 701 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 2: I don't. 702 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that, because I do drink. 703 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: I would be crushing beers at a twenty four hour race. 704 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: Normally, but yeah, the year I went, it rained quite 705 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: a bit. But Laman back to Lavon. 706 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 2: So we have an incredible lineup of guests, which I'm 707 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 2: also excited, like Jim Farley CEO Ford is gonna join us. 708 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 2: And it's so significant because Henry Ford, you know, started 709 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 2: the factory after winning a race, and Henry the second 710 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: took the race to Ferrari, you know, and now I 711 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 2: think I heard that Bill Ford, who is the chairman, 712 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 2: his son Will is now working in the motorsports division. 713 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 2: So like racing means a lot to this family. 714 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: Dude, Racing is the backbone of a lot of car companies, 715 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: and I don't expect normal consumers to understand or care. 716 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: And even admittedly, you know, part of the reason I've 717 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: never been to Lamon to cover it is because as 718 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: an editorial decision, we don't think that our readers are 719 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: that interested. It's rather obscure, a niche. But the truth is, 720 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: races like Lamon Daytona, these endurance championships are the backbone 721 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: of the development and just the core identity of a 722 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: lot of these car brands, including Ford. You know, it's 723 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: not just Porsie, It's not just Ferrari and expensive sports cars. 724 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: It's also for. 725 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 2: Well and Cadillac, you know. I mean, I'm going I 726 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: initially got invited by my friend Tom Wagner, our buddy 727 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 2: from this podcast, because he owns the Joda World Endurance 728 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 2: Class racing team and they work with Cadillac. So and 729 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: they're going to be an F one and they're getting 730 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 2: increasingly involved in it. But you know, the funny thing 731 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: is it's really the trade war that led me to 732 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 2: cover this or got I think that helped me get 733 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 2: permission to cover this because normally my bosses would be like, no, 734 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 2: you're not going to Lama. But the global trade war 735 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: has shown a light on the fact that, you know, 736 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 2: most of global trade is cars, Like it's such a 737 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: big business for global trade. And Lamon is like the 738 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 2: original proving ground. If your car could make it through this, 739 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 2: then people would buy it. 740 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: And I think we should also say that Laman is 741 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: twenty four hours of driving and whoever goes the farthest wins. 742 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: It's a very simp pull concept. But imagine just driving 743 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 1: flat out for twenty four hours. Obviously you switch drivers, 744 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: but that's a very pure concept. When you talk about 745 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: approving ground, that's a very pure way to prove your 746 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: car's worth. 747 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 3: I'm surprised Alex Roy doesn't do this race. 748 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 2: It feels like it's made for him. Yeah, all right, 749 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 2: we got to wrap it up. That's all we have 750 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 2: time for today. But wait, how are we going to 751 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 2: do this next week? Are we going to do a podcast? 752 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 2: Before we? Wait? 753 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: Is next week that the weekend we have two weeks. 754 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 2: Okay, good. 755 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: I think we have same time, same place next week. 756 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 2: Actually, that's right. 757 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 3: I'm Matt Miller, and 758 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg