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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the second episode of the Hunting

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Speaker 1: Collected podcast. I've been O'Brien and I am joined in

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Speaker 1: the second podcast by the one and only Ryan Callahan.

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Speaker 1: You guys probably know Ryan from his time with Meat Eater,

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Speaker 1: or even more likely know him from his role with

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Speaker 1: First Light Clothing and all the things they do at

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Speaker 1: that brand. But where are you knowing from? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is that important in this case? The fact is Ryan

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Speaker 1: is good people. I mean, if you say Salt of

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Speaker 1: the Earth, you think Ryan Callahan a guy that isn't

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Speaker 1: about the flash, isn't about the show, isn't about all

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Speaker 1: the things that that may go into someone's reputation on

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Speaker 1: honey industry. Man, he just loves hunting. He loves wilderness,

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Speaker 1: he loves public lands, he loves to kill, he loves

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Speaker 1: to cook, he loves to eat, and as you'll find

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Speaker 1: out in this episode, he loves to educate. And he's

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Speaker 1: somebody that I greatly admire, not only for what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: but what he can do. And I think this conversation

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Speaker 1: will show you that he's thought long and hard about

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Speaker 1: his position in the hunting industry. He has a lot

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Speaker 1: to say and we can all benefit from Ryan Galahans

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Speaker 1: and his mustache in the hunting world. So for Numero two,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna come to you from the Salt Palace Convention

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Speaker 1: Center in Salt Lake City. We're at the Western Hunting Expo,

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Speaker 1: sitting and it's so Yota to come and pick up

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Speaker 1: on the trade show floor. Amiss the madness, So enjoy

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Speaker 1: this conversation, Bryan. Mr Brian, describe in your best first

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Speaker 1: where we are current time. I feel like, um, we

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Speaker 1: are on like our own little alien ship here observing

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Speaker 1: the people of Earth. Um. We we are inside a

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Speaker 1: Yetti branded uh Toyota, sitting on the show floor at

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Speaker 1: the Western hunt Expo here in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Speaker 1: And we're there's literally a sea of people wandering around us.

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Speaker 1: And I would say one out of about thirty or

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Speaker 1: forty looks over and realizes there's two guys with headphones

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Speaker 1: on and sitting inside of Toyota. Do you think they

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Speaker 1: think we're creepy? There's definitely if you make an effort

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Speaker 1: to lock eyes with somebody that you definitely get a

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Speaker 1: weird double take. That's currently a child out looking at

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Speaker 1: me like with It's pretty I'd be lying if I

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Speaker 1: said it's not fun. I like this. I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: did it here and not like in a just a

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Speaker 1: normal setting, because this gives us a chance to really

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Speaker 1: reflect on solitude and the human race in the nature

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Speaker 1: of trade shows. It's fascinating, right, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I think I make no bones about it.

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Speaker 1: Like being in it's it's a trade off between m

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Speaker 1: being you know, largely antisocial in the woods and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's like severe social time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like severe is a good word for it. It's a

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Speaker 1: severe I would The question I have for you is

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Speaker 1: which what is worse on your body and mind, Like

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Speaker 1: a month in the back country during elk season or

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Speaker 1: a month at trade show season in the various cities Vegas,

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake included. Oh, I don't think there's any doubt

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Speaker 1: trade show season is harder on you know, all aspects

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Speaker 1: of mind and body, and and it's not like it

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Speaker 1: and I think you could argue that you're really stretching

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Speaker 1: your mental capabilities, like having you know, thousands of conversations

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Speaker 1: and things. But at the end it all kind of

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Speaker 1: town you're in or you're talking to, but you're pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you're okay. The steak tastes all right,

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Speaker 1: but but it's not doesn't taste that good, No, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's yeah. It can be like generic meal thirty

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Speaker 1: some level, I was telling somebody to day, like you eat,

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Speaker 1: you have this social hour. You have a meal with

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Speaker 1: varying people. Sometimes it's the same person as the last night,

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Speaker 1: most times it's not. And then you have stay and

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Speaker 1: true trade show. We're at a consumer show where at

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Speaker 1: so it's open to the general public and it's a

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Speaker 1: like it never happens, and it's all partial conversations that

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Speaker 1: of substances, and I would also says just a point

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Speaker 1: of of where we are right now, that we're sitting

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Speaker 1: don't know that we're here at all. Well, maybe we'll

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Speaker 1: end the podcast by just just a commentary on what's happening,

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Speaker 1: just kind of a play by play yes on this

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Speaker 1: situation currently here in Salt Lake City. What are the

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Speaker 1: ground rules for your podcast? Ben? Is there is its

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Speaker 1: free thought? Is it cussing? Is it you can cuss? Okay,

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Speaker 1: for sure, it's definitely free thought. I think, Um, now,

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Speaker 1: after the first podcast with Steve, we had to we

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Speaker 1: the way the first one. I think going forward, we

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Speaker 1: just need to figure out what we're supposed to talk

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Speaker 1: about what And that's why did you want to do this?

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Speaker 1: Why did you want to do a podcast? Vin with UM? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I started my career in journalism, right, So

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Speaker 1: I always fancy myself some sort of storyteller or at

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Speaker 1: least interested in other people's stories rather than my own,

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Speaker 1: Right Like I didn't necessarily always want to, um have

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Speaker 1: telling other people's stories. And what what was important to

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Speaker 1: me I was being able to do that and whatever

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Speaker 1: career that I had, And so I started out at

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Speaker 1: a print magazines and digital and actually doing that UM

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Speaker 1: my current career at Yettie. We're distroyed storytellers as well,

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Speaker 1: we just do it in film in some different ways.

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Speaker 1: So for me, this is just a another way. It's

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Speaker 1: a burgeoning way that people tell stories, you know, and

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Speaker 1: this is a way for people to learn my story,

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Speaker 1: but but less that and more to learn yours and

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Speaker 1: Steve's and the collective group of people that we you know,

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Speaker 1: surround ourselves with. If you learn all those people stories

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Speaker 1: becomes this weird tapestry of ideas and philosophies and ideologies

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Speaker 1: that's hunting, because we all come from I come from

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Speaker 1: a far different place from where you came from. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: have you And I'm always afraid of redundancy, but have

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Speaker 1: you covered your upbringing? Because little Kenyan I um, when

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Speaker 1: have to have that mentor that that person that you know,

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Speaker 1: it helped. It certainly did help me. Having our neighbor,

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Speaker 1: if that was your sole goal, why do you take

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00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: thirty days to do that? To find a buck that

430
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: has four points? And similar similar case, similar case, when

431
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: you say I hunt for meat, we're like, oh, okay,

432
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: well what about the time where you picked up a bow?

433
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: Like what about the time um that you didn't just

434
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: shoot the first thing you saw? Like those meat and

435
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: conservation I think as hunters are by products of the activity.

436
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: We're acknowledging those byproducts and we know they're there, We

437
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: study them, we enjoy them. We understand that the byproducts

438
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: of our going a field are conservation for wildlife and

439
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: the being part of our model. But then also meat

440
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: is going to happen at the end. But when we're hunting,

441
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: what we're doing, what we do, there's there there's personal

442
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: reasons why you act the way you act. When you're

443
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: working out of the mountain and you're not walking around

444
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: thinking gotta give meat, gotta save the gotta save the population.

445
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: You're you're thinking, I want an experience, I want adventure,

446
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: I want to be with people I love and care about.

447
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: I want to learn, I want there's there's all kinds

448
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: of things you're thinking about that we should just acknowledge

449
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: when we're talking to people that don't hunt, the things

450
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: that we use as reasons to go. Sure, there are

451
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: reasons we go, but we're out there, we're not. That's

452
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: not the full its the you know, full picture. We

453
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: have to maybe at some levels separate those as the

454
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: reasons why we go hunting, because we don't. Our actions

455
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: don't support those words at some level. Does any of

456
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense to you, Ryan Callahan, Yes, much much

457
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 1: of it of it does. I would say, you know, looking,

458
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: the reason hunters are conservationists is because hunters are purchasing

459
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: things tags, bullets, rifles, um. And this is just on

460
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: the hunting side of things that the fishing side has

461
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: has its side also on Often those worlds overlap, right, um.

462
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: But it is because of the purchases that a percentage

463
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: of those purchases go into a big bucket, and that

464
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: bucket full of cash at the end of the year

465
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: then gets to be towards conservation, true conservation. It goes

466
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: to the States based on a percentage of their amount

467
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: of hunters, and they they put it towards all kinds

468
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: of things, wildlife, refugees, hunter safety, you name it. Yes, Now,

469
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: the reason you aren't truly justified and saying I am

470
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: a conservationist because I am a hunter is because you were.

471
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: You know, all these individual purchases are not are not

472
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: cutting it. The conservation work is much different than buying

473
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: your tag or duck stamp. And please do buy those

474
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: tags and duck stamps. And I'm not download who cares.

475
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: That's I care. I care, and that is important. But

476
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: if you really want to call your conservations, call yourself

477
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: a hunter conservationist, it is more than making those purchases.

478
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely it's and what is the threshold, I guess, like

479
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: is it? I think it is absolutely damned important to

480
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: go to your fishing game meetings. I think it is

481
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: absolutely damned important to go um to your you know,

482
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: your city council meetings. I mean this is you'd be

483
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: shocked at how many city council meetings I've been to

484
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: and and actual hunting issues come up, you know. Oftentimes

485
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: it's on things that are incredibly near and dear to

486
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: my heart, and it's uh, you know, a lot of

487
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: these new developments out there, they have ease months, public

488
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: ease months built into them, so you can traverse through

489
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: a neighborhood and newly developed neighborhood or one that's been

490
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: around for a long time to get to that national

491
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: forest back there, that BLM back there. And man, I

492
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: tell you, there's a lot of people that have moved

493
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: into some of these developments and they see a guy

494
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: at four am walking through their yard with a oh,

495
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: and they do not like that. And at these city

496
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: council meetings, oftentimes you'll see people be like, well, some

497
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: guy I was walking through and that's that's how I

498
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: got kind of weapon, yeah because I am yeah, so um,

499
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, and that is participating and I would think

500
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: conservation work can get done there, but it'd be an

501
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: advocacy statement. Um, and you know what is true boots

502
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: on the ground, conservation. It can be a lot of

503
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: different things, but man, you better volunteer at least some

504
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: of your time and effort if you want to say,

505
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: I am a hunter and a conservation and we've built

506
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: in right so if you buy I always one of

507
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: the ARGANSLAS makes. If somebody has egotistical or ill reasons

508
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: to go hunting, they still have to play legal hunting.

509
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: They still have to play the game and the rules.

510
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: We've said it up So no matter what their motivation is,

511
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: they're still in the game. There's still that money for

512
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: the bow, the rifle, the am with they bot still

513
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: going into Pittman Robertson phones, their duck stamp they buy

514
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: is still going back into that federal pool. Like, no

515
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: matter what their motivations are, they're still they're still benefiting

516
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: wildlife in some way. Right. But I mean it's amazing, Like,

517
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: so take Pittman Robertson, which is the excise tax for

518
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: UM firearms and ammunition. Um, you know, hunters aren't making

519
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: the bulk of those purchases, which is it's something we

520
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: like to think, but that's not the true no way.

521
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean this thing. This is a I was robbing

522
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: writing an article currently on it on Pittman Robertson for

523
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: for Peterson's Hunting. And one thing that I found, well,

524
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: I think said's seven during FDR that was, you know,

525
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: on the heels of Teddy Roosevelt and National forests and

526
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: just a push to really solidify how we take care

527
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: of our wild life because as everyone knows, and neither

528
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: many decades prior we did not. We killed them all

529
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: at wholesale. And so in the in the building of

530
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: this base that we we work in today. UM, the

531
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: idea that hunters would pay for this privilege to go

532
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: hunting became a thing, and we're you know, where what

533
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: are we eighty years past that? Um? And if you

534
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: look out in this room and all these people that

535
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: are staring at us in this truck right now, I

536
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: would guess that a good percentage of them do not

537
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: know what Pittman Robertson is. You agree, Yeah, I'd be

538
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: shocked if we found otherwise. Yeah, I think five out

539
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: of ten might have an inkling of what it is.

540
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Generation generationally, they're removed from that idea. My dad, God

541
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: bless my dad. I told him about Pitt and Robertson

542
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: like a month ago. He's been paying into it since

543
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: he was ten years old. He's sixty four, fifty four

544
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: years painting in Pittman Robertson. A month yet we found

545
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: out what it was. My jaws, my jaws dropped. And

546
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: so in the in the in my research for this article,

547
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: I just every person I ran into, I say, what's

548
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: Pittman Robertson, And I would tell you about three out

549
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: of ten new what it was. One out of ten.

550
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: I felt like I probably asked a hundred people. One

551
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: out of ten really knew what it was. Three out

552
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: of ten knew that it was some sort of tax

553
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: we paid to benefit wildlife. And so I say, say,

554
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: we're so generationally moved from the idea that Pitt and

555
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: rode we needed to have Pitt and Robertson. Then we

556
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: as hunters can't tell that story very well. You know,

557
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: I would welcome anyone to come and challenge us on that,

558
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: but I think it's true. And this kind of that's

559
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: why I like this. I'm a hunter, and what is

560
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: the saying like, I'm a hunter? Conservation? Honey, Well, hunting

561
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: is conservation. Yeah, it's not. And I feel like that

562
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: that can be that that slogan itself can be detrimental

563
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: to hunting as a whole. How much Hubris has built

564
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: into that idea because it allows people to not do anything. Well,

565
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: so I am, I'm like, oh no, you're not the

566
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: biproduct of your activity is. But you can still go

567
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: hunting and not know what Pittman Robinson is. My dad's

568
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: case for fifty four years, you're not. You didn't do

569
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: anything other than buy something someone told you to buy. Like,

570
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: you didn't actively you didn't actively take part in it,

571
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: although you did so like you said, it's it removes

572
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: some like tacit ownership away from the hunter has to

573
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: say like, well, if I don't know what Pittman Robinson is,

574
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I still have to pay the tax, So what do

575
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: I care? Like, that's just what a license cost. What

576
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: that's what a gun cost is, what a boat cost,

577
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: That's what a license cost. I don't know the tenants

578
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: of the North American Wildlife Conservation. I don't know those

579
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: seven or eight tenants or whatever it is. And and yeah,

580
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: so that in hunting could be seen as like we're

581
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: all one giant scalpel and we're trimming out, uh, a

582
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: little bit of the fat off off of our herds

583
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: that we are growing. UM. And and that part is

584
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: a conservation tool, management tool. UM. And yeah, there is

585
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: there's plenty of human wildlife conflict out there, so yeah,

586
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: that that makes sense. But it is shocking to me

587
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: and I always you know, I especially after this trade

588
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: show here in the heart of Utah, having so many

589
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: people grabbed me and not talk about UM, you know,

590
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: these random appearances on on meat Eater and the podcast

591
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: and not talk about first light clothing that I've been

592
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, has been my whole if UM for the

593
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: last six years. But say hey, thank you so much

594
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: for what you do for our community, for what you

595
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: do for conservation. UM. Having so many interactions like that,

596
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: I have always you know, when people, hey, thanks for

597
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: what you do for conservation, Like it's always kind of

598
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: felt disingenuous to to a degree, UM, but your eyes

599
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of start to slowly open to the fact that

600
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: there's so many people out there doing so little that

601
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: the little bit of time that I'm able to put

602
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: in it is actually a big deal. And it's kind

603
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: of scary to think about. And all of a sudden,

604
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm a dude that people are pointing a finger out

605
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: and being like, oh yeah, conservation guy, conservation you think.

606
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: But I just think about this way too. If you're

607
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: not If you're a new hunter, and I said to you, like, hey,

608
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: here's this stuff you gotta do to be a hunter.

609
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: And I said, you gotta learn how to read a map,

610
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: read a compass. You learn how to shoot a bow

611
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: or a rifle and be proficient with a weapon. You

612
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: gotta learn how to gain access to ground. You gotta

613
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: learn how to track. You gotta learn how to judge

614
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: an animal. You have to learn how to skin it.

615
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: You know, learn how to take its guts out. You

616
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: gotta learn how to take the meat off its body.

617
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: You gotta learn how to store that meat, use that meat,

618
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: and eat it. Maybe like that's a lot, man, I'm like,

619
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: all right, well I've got some more stuff. You also

620
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: have to learn about the natural world, the natural history

621
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: of the animal, where it lives, how it thrives, your

622
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: role in that, develop a bunch of philosophies around that,

623
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: and then learn about its habitat. And then maybe like no, man,

624
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: then i think I'll play tennis. You need to be

625
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: able to mentally write all that up and articulate it

626
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: in a way that you can then positively educate influence

627
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: a non hunter to carry the role on again, and

628
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: then everybody have you presented that, Yeah, that's it, that's

629
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: it simple. I'd be like mm about video games, video games,

630
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: Xbox thing. Yeah, I mean I think it's super It's

631
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: just a daunting idea. And I don't. I don't. You know,

632
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: you're going back to my dad not know him, Pip

633
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: and Robinson is. I don't. I'd never take that against

634
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: him or anyone else. I just think it's so complicated.

635
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: Just the act of hunting in itself is so complicated.

636
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: If you start to put on the icing of conservation

637
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: and be like you gotta understand all that you know

638
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: back to my joining b h A and understanding you even,

639
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: there's so many levels and layers to it that I don't.

640
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: I would never put it hold it against someone to

641
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: say like, it's enough for me in my life call

642
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: myself a hunter and and know how to respect the

643
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: animal and do the things inside of the bubble at

644
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: his hunting. Anything outside of it someone else has to

645
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: take care of for me. Set it up so I

646
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: don't screw it up and let me just do it.

647
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: That's all I have time for. And like, I respect

648
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: that I don't know that. I don't know that that's

649
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Um. And if this conversations like this

650
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: can help to add layers to their knowledge, opinions and

651
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: what they can do, great, I mean I think that's

652
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: that's maybe the point. But if anybody listening out there

653
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: that thinks that we're calling you out because you're not

654
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: out there doing habitat work on the overgrowing junior person,

655
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: you're you know, in your public land, we're good with that.

656
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: You don't need to do that. If you want too, great,

657
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, join these groups and go um. But we

658
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: can acknowledge it's a daunting idea. It's all of that together.

659
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: It would be so easy to just shut up and

660
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: sell clothes. Um. But you know, my day starts with answering.

661
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, emails that are you know, could turn people

662
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: off of First Light forever if I were to answer

663
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: them improperly, And it'd be a lot easier to just

664
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: be like, oh jeez, I never got that email, but

665
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 1: it's like I got one yesterday. Why are you guys

666
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: so anti shrinking of monuments. I'm like, well, this, uh,

667
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: the way this question is posed. I'm sure this person

668
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: probably doesn't. It seems like they have an agenda. They

669
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: have an agenda. This is a quicksand type of situation.

670
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's my responsibility to if we're

671
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: going to take a position on something, it's my responsibility

672
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: then to explain why we came to that position. And um,

673
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: you know I I certainly do not want to. I

674
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: feel like I'm a king issuing decrees. Um. If folks

675
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: can prove me wrong, I will gladly uh write another

676
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: position that says, hey, I used to think this, Now

677
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: I think this much like that's okay, yeah, much like

678
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: I've talked about, you sit down every year and think

679
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: about your hunting gear and what how it changed you.

680
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: I mean that that's everything in your life. Conservation say,

681
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, I never I don't know how many people

682
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: before the recent um dust up with national minds really

683
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: thinking about national monuments as a point of hunting and fishing.

684
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: Not a lot I would, I would adventure. I guess

685
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of people were. I'll guarantee there

686
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: are people hunting on those monuments. But they don't think

687
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: that that is the monument. Yeah, yeah, the Washington Monument. Yeah,

688
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: I get that, but but I don't I'm walking around

689
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: on this ground. It doesn't feel like there's no pictures

690
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: of old white guys around, you know, it doesn't feel

691
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: like a monument and what they're talking about. So yeah,

692
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: that that that monument was just a complicated situation on

693
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: the ground. I think, look, look, it looks a whole

694
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: lot different than it does from everybody's feet view that

695
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: they gain from media for wherever they get their knowledge. Um,

696
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: it's a shame that that piece, you know, bears ears

697
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: specifically has become a political football to be passed back

698
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: and forth from from um, you know, from office to office.

699
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: But that's that's it. And and maybe and then in

700
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: a way, that's good that we can talk about it

701
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, let's how many people have educated

702
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: themselves on national monuments that had no idea what they were,

703
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: what they did. There's a giant chunk of giant chunk

704
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: of the reason monuments scared me so much was or

705
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: this shrinking of the monuments scared me so much, is

706
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: you know it to me, it really brings to light

707
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: that this stuff was created with a stroke of a pan.

708
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: It can be resized next, re whatever with the stroke

709
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: of a pan. And I think hunters do a poor

710
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: job of explaining or being even willing to step out

711
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know, actually that place is really

712
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: important to me because I think there's part of all

713
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: of our hunting brands. Or if that, well maybe if

714
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: I just shut up and nothing happens nobody, then I'll

715
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: just have that place to myself. So uh, you know,

716
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: so I'm like, oh, well, what if what if they

717
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't hunt on Grand Staircase as Galante

718
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: or bearers ears, And I talked to quite a few

719
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: folks who who do now and and have grown up

720
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: in that area. I mean, many of which came out

721
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: of the woodwork when we issued a monument statement UM,

722
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: which tell people what that's even was so digging through everything,

723
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: it felt like from the top on down UM and

724
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: media outlets included that UM. There were many many statements

725
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: out there that were had just a little too much

726
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: uh built in media buzz in there from you know,

727
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: Padagon Yes saying the president stole your land and our

728
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: president saying I'm giving this land back to the people

729
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: like you can't. Anybody that would see that situation and

730
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: be like, both of those people are lying to me.

731
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: Anybody that would would argue with you that, like, those

732
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: two hyperbolic statements aren't both lies and the truth doesn't

733
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: lay somewhere in the middle is insane. But how can

734
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: you look at the same situation one person say I'm

735
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: saving you, one person say he's killing you. You can't

736
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: both are lying, Both are lying. I don't know a

737
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: lot of people would say like one personality truth, ones

738
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: like no, no, no. Both in some ways are shifting

739
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: the idea of what the truth is. Yes, and I've

740
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: and the history is you know, we had signed on

741
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: first Light as a company, had signed on to letters

742
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: from different organizations, um, you know, uh, you know a

743
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: year ago saying you know, hey, we know that you're

744
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: thinking about adjusting these monuments. Very concerned about the lasting

745
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: effects on the Antiquities Act, which you know, I believe

746
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: the Antiquities Act, when when used properly, has benefited hunters

747
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: and and people of America by you know, giving us

748
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: some some land that has some protections on it that

749
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you know, if I ever have kids

750
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: and when you rear your young pup there, Um, you

751
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: can hopefully go out to those places we like. Yeah,

752
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: this is real close to the way it was when

753
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: I got to hunt out here, right, And I think

754
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: that's incredibly important, because man, these wild places are certainly

755
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the reason I'm here. Um, you know, the being outside

756
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: is it is an important thing to me. And I

757
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: think it has great mental and educational value for everybody,

758
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: and if they so choose, they should be able to

759
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: go to experience that. And I think the Antiquities Act

760
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: is given many people that opportunity that I have had.

761
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: So I felt, um that it would again be disingenuous

762
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: if we did not, uh, you know, let our position

763
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: be known because we had truthfully been taking a position. So, Um,

764
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: that's much appreciated I think in this world, in this

765
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: in the hunting communities, especially, that a brand whose primary

766
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: goal is to make money, you know, would risk hindrance

767
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: to that goal to make a stand. I think that's

768
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: the idea that is to be respected. And I think

769
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: to your point, and I think public lands are this

770
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: way and a lot of other situations, in my mind,

771
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: are not this way. Public Lands are so important, they're

772
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: so fragile that simply the idea of them the is

773
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: more important than the micro points on the ground. Like

774
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: the idea, the slippery slope idea, I don't like it

775
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: in a lot of a lot of other arguments, but

776
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: I like it in public lands. I like it because

777
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: it is the idea is so important. It makes that

778
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: slippery slope real. It does, it does, it's and its

779
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: It's like, we can't there isn't a way for us

780
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: to allow somebody to chisel away parts of the idea

781
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: of what public lands are. And so, like you said,

782
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: with a stroke of the fact, with a stroke of

783
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: a pen, the idea it becomes reality. Just to me,

784
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: that slippery steak argument works for public lands where I'm not.

785
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm not big on that any other place. And so

786
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: what somebody says to me, well, here's why, you know,

787
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: here's why more access for hunters. I'm like, look, I

788
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: get that, I get the access parts. I'm with you,

789
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: But the idea of that land being important to us

790
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: and being protected is way way more uh significant to

791
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: me than any of the micro arguments you may be

792
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: able to make on the ground. And really it's I

793
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: just want to ask people, why in the hell do

794
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: we want to make everything easy. And there are so

795
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: many easy things that people get board with because it's

796
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: so easy, um that they don't do anymore. And the

797
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: challenge and the fact that things are hard is why

798
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: it is so good. And you know, right now, right

799
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: this very instant, there's folks lobbying like crazy to say, Okay,

800
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna just one day, one day out of the

801
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: entire year, We're gonna make uh, certain wilderness areas open

802
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: to wheeled vehicles, motorized access, electric bikes, mountain bikes, or

803
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: just have a chainsaw in there for one day. And

804
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: the real reason is because it just be easier. And man,

805
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: there's there's plenty of places to do easy things. And

806
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: if you want to go do those, go do them.

807
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, you can drive damn here anywhere on a

808
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: lot of blm and there's some cool chunks of there's

809
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: I hunting on a chunk of National forest called the

810
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Dixie National Forest. It might as well been I mean,

811
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: it might as well been a cattle ranch. And the

812
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: roads is someone that thing was amazing. You could drive

813
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: anywhere you wanted to, the the Apache National Forest, the

814
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: HeLa um unbelievable gorgeous places, and you cannot walk my

815
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: ale without crossing two roads. So yeah, and yeah, people

816
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: say that the idea that that has to be that

817
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: way everywhere is just not to me. It's too dangerous.

818
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: It's too dangerous to think that way. And it's too

819
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: dangerous to be like, ah this, you know they protected

820
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: they didn't adjust any other national minds stuff for those two.

821
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but those two were. Yeah, And it's

822
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: just a stroke of a pen people, that's all. And

823
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: that's how we got our wilderness areas that I absolutely

824
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: cherish and enjoy, and I don't hunt in them constantly.

825
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: That's not my soul thing. Variety is the spice of life.

826
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: And that that statement that's been around for quite a while,

827
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: I would think is absolutely freaking true. It's man, I

828
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: can go do the coolest things and the way that

829
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: I want to do them, I just can't do them

830
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: all in one spot. And and if I could write

831
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: it all up, I wouldn't do it any different. Like

832
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: I can go jump on a motorbike and drive on

833
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: a ton of BLM, a ton of national forest. Um,

834
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: I can decide that when I'm I want to get

835
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: away from that, I can go step into a wilderness area.

836
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: And you know, I was speaking with Cameron Haynes last

837
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: night and and he was like, you know, when I

838
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: was first starting out, I didn't didn't know anything, and

839
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: and so I figured that the best way for me

840
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: to have success is to find a wilderness area and

841
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: walk all the way into the middle of it so

842
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have people around messing me up. And I could.

843
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: And that's how I would find success, you know. And

844
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: and that opportunities out there for everybody who is willing

845
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: to go do it right now, you know. And what's

846
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: that opportunity worth to us, both the tangible for him

847
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: and also the idea that that opportunity is there. What's

848
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: that worth to us? To me, it's invaluable. Like you

849
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: can't put a number on that. You can't put a

850
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: We'll just put a couple of minds over there. I

851
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: would just need this one month. I live in Texas.

852
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: I live in Texas. Dramatic pause, Oliver say it again.

853
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: I live in Texas. Has anybody ever been to Texas?

854
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: And on a public Graham I would love I hunted,

855
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: I thought I live in Texas. On my part of

856
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: b h A, I believe in public lands. I'm gonna

857
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: try it. I'm gonna do all my research in Texas.

858
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to find a good chunk of public ground.

859
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hunt it. I'm gonna kill something, and

860
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna prove to everyone that you know, it

861
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: just takes a little bit of effort. I hunted one

862
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: day for doubs in an area outside Austin, and I

863
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: got hit with more babies, and then I hit doubs whoa,

864
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: and so I decided, funk that I'm out. I'll drive

865
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: up to Colorado. Like so in in Texas is the

866
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: best example of what can happen if you let that

867
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: if you start sliding down that slippery slope and there

868
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: is large chunks of the state that it's inaccessible to

869
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: anybody other than the landowner and whoever landed permits to

870
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: be on that ground. Which I don't have a problem

871
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: with that idea, but i'd also i'd like to, you know,

872
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: have some a little very land use and be able

873
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: to go do things. I talked to a lot of

874
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: folks in Texas. Uh first part of January, Dallas far

875
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: a club. Um. You know, I always like to wear

876
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: my public land owner T shirt around and I saw

877
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: a shocking amount of public land owner T shirts in Texas.

878
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: And I talked to so many people that like truly

879
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: gave me warm and fuzzies. They're like, you know what,

880
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: we've been in Texas. I've been listening to you guys,

881
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: and we're going to New Mexico this year. We're going

882
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: to color out of this Yep. We're driving all the

883
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: way to Idaho this year. And they are fired up.

884
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: They don't not a one of them knows what they're

885
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: really getting into. But I can almost promise you the

886
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: next time, you know, some nasty public lands bill rears

887
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: its head, those people have now had boots on the

888
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: ground and they're gonna be, you know, hopefully making some

889
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: phone calls to their re elected Right. Yeah. When I

890
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: when I first I first heard that there was a

891
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: b h A chapter in Texas, I was like, Hi,

892
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: laughed a little bit, like oh interesting, Um. Then I

893
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: figured out that's what those guys are doing. Those guys

894
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: are it's a group of guys who care about public lands,

895
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: that care about hunting, who are venturing out somewhere west

896
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: or north of the state. Do you have a public

897
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: lands venture in Colorado, Wyoming or New Mexico. And how

898
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: ridiculous that is. How ridiculous that they live in one

899
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: of the largest states in their nation. I don't know

900
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: if it's the largest, close with probably the most hunters

901
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: per capita, one of the top three most hunters per capita,

902
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: and they their idea of changing their hunting world is

903
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: to leave that state and to go to a magical

904
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: place called the West, where you live where the things

905
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: that they want to go do are available. How crazy? Yeah,

906
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: how crazy? And And the reason one of the main

907
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: reasons why I started to really harden my stance on

908
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: public lands because I was like, this is it, this

909
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: is it. We'll just you know, a couple of leases

910
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: from Bears Ears, no big deal. Uranium costs are down,

911
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: so probably the probably a lot of companies won't even

912
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: want to jump in and get leases. I don't care.

913
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't care about the reality right now. I care

914
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: about the idea of what that could turn into. Like

915
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: I just I lived there. I live in Texas, and

916
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: so that idea to me is has hardened and will

917
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: stay that way for as long as I'm on this earth.

918
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: Just from what I've experienced in my time living in Texas.

919
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: I live in Illinois. I grew up in Maryland, but

920
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I also grew up right at the at the foot

921
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: of about a hundred thousand acres of public land. That

922
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm much like you. As you're growing up, you don't

923
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: realize that's what the the cost that we've paid for that,

924
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: or the uniqueness of that around the world. Um So,

925
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: a fella took a pot shot at me um on

926
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: on the social media, really surprising. He said, Oh, you're

927
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: just mad because you can't afford a lease. And I

928
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: never responded to him because I don't ever think that's

929
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: real productive on those social forums. Um And I just

930
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: dearly wanted to just be like I do. And it's

931
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: forty million acres and there's a lot of variety on

932
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: it and guess what, if you want to come on it,

933
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: you can. Um And it's a damn cool thing. And

934
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: and and it's so weird because I've definitely gone full circle,

935
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, growing up in Montana, just like you're you know,

936
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: you're up brand. It was like, yeah, everon, you know,

937
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: two point three point whatever, and and it's the act

938
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: going out with folks that you love and and uh,

939
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, we spent a lot of time as young

940
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: guys staring over that barbed wire fence, like man, if

941
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: we can only get permission here, and ignoring everything that

942
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: was behind us. And I think about that from time

943
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: to time. And you know, I have done some just

944
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: absolute grocery shopping. Um on. My uncle's got a place

945
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: on the Boulder River in Montana, and and uh, and

946
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: it is grocery shopping. It's like it is so chock

947
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: full of white tails and you used to be you

948
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: can get a handful of dough TEGs and and you know,

949
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: basically just like go sit at the tractor and don't

950
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: shoot white tails. And you know, to me, that is groceries,

951
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: that that just isn't hunting. At this point, well, I

952
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna attempt an analogy here. It's gonna probably

953
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: not be good attempted anyway. And all difference to my wife,

954
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: who I love. When I when I first met my wife,

955
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: my wife loves to cook. When I first met her,

956
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: I told her that my favorite meal, one of my

957
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: favorite meals was shepherd's pie. It's a lovely dish, meat

958
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: and vegetables, hardy, hearty dish. Uh, it would be potatoes

959
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: ruver top soul food. Yeah, I like shepherd's pie. So

960
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: if she began to make Shepherd's pie for me, and

961
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: it was delicious, and she made it a lot of

962
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: you know especial occasions on my birthday, stuff like that,

963
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: and she knew that I hate peas, like I hate

964
00:59:54,280 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: peas so much. Peas are the devil's balls. Peas are terrible.

965
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: Anybody out there that's listening to this that likes peas,

966
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: please right in. I'll have you on to talk about peace.

967
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, she knows that I don't like peace, and

968
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: she I found a recipe book like a month ago,

969
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: and then that recipe book, it was the recipe for

970
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: her Shepherd's pie and at the bottom of the page

971
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: it said, with a little heart, he hates peas, right

972
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: there at the bottom of her recipe book. And I

973
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: warmed my soul. I'm like, this woman loves me so

974
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: much that she has written down my dislike peas and

975
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: her recipe changing it forever to not include peas. I'm like,

976
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: I picked the right lady, Like this is this is it.

977
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got married. And then I started to

978
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 1: realize that since we gotten married, which would be coming

979
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: up on four years, she had started putting the peas

980
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: back in to the shepherd's pie. So that we dated

981
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: for about four years, a pealless existence, I lead. And

982
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: then we've been married for about the same time. The

983
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: peace came back at some point. I don't know when

984
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: they came back. I wasn't paying attention. Maybe she wasn't either.

985
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: I think it just goes to say, I love you,

986
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: honey number one. You're amazing cook in person. But it

987
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: goes to say that we both of us got comfortable

988
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: with our shepherd's by having peas in it. I fucking

989
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: hate peas, and I've been eating peas and shepherd's pie

990
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: for some some years now without really knowing until I've

991
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: realized when I read it in a recipe like I

992
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: remember she made last time, last couple of times she

993
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: made shepherds probably was peas in it. Son of a bitch.

994
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: So I say that to say, I think we both

995
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: got comfortable, like when she was trying to, you know,

996
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: win me, and I was trying to win her. We

997
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,479
Speaker 1: did things differently to please each other. Then we got married.

998
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: I go, all right, this is for the rest, this

999
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: is solid. There's no uh, there's no guessing games here.

1000
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: We're married peace. So she started putting peace back into

1001
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: the shepherd's pie, and I started eating him. I could

1002
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: have never thought of that, would ever done that before.

1003
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: So I think here's the analogy, here's where it gets good.

1004
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: I think hunters sometimes like when you're young and you

1005
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: discover public lands and you're hunting hard and you're earning it.

1006
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: Then you get a little older and you have more money,

1007
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: I have less time. Now you have kids. You get comfortable,

1008
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: and you start thinking, maybe at lease would be nice.

1009
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of time. I got kids,

1010
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: they have soccer, they have band practice, I have a job.

1011
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: I used to be this crazy wild public land guy

1012
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: who go out for like seven days at a time,

1013
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: but I only got like two days on the weekend now.

1014
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: So if I got a lease where there was more dear,

1015
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: it would be easier and I could be more comfortable,

1016
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's more efficient, more efficient. So I

1017
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: think that idea compared to the idea sometimes that you

1018
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: get into with marriage, where you were, you know, very

1019
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: much in the beginning at it hard. You were you know,

1020
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: learned about each other, and you were it was exciting

1021
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: and then you, you know, you get married and maybe

1022
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: naturally you settle into it and you start eating the

1023
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: peas in the sepher spy, oh pease suck man, peace suck.

1024
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: I have often said, and I truly believe this, and

1025
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: I've done some samples testing that if you took you

1026
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: know a handful of random folks that truly identify as um,

1027
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: you know a number of outdoor recreationist groups like your

1028
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: mountain biker and your cross country skier, and your hunter

1029
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: and your fly fisherman and you're uh, you know bass fishermen.

1030
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: He had a random sample of these people that really

1031
01:03:52,880 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: identifies bias, these like single type athletes. Um. Event, Actually,

1032
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna have a number of, if not similar, identical

1033
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: responses to the yeah, but why do you really do that?

1034
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: And and it's it's the same man and and from

1035
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: an industry to come back full circle to this hunting

1036
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: industry thing that people talk about, I think the industry

1037
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: part of this has shot ourselves. Lost children here at

1038
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: the hunt x boll um. Maybe they got shangha had

1039
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: by an outfitter in there on their way, nor learned

1040
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: how to be a packer. Can you ride a horse? Son? Hey, um,

1041
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: so we as this industry, I think we have quite

1042
01:04:55,040 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: possibly shot ourselves in at least one foot by promoting this,

1043
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: even for myself, somebody who's you know, I am constantly

1044
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: reminded of a mulier that I shot, the only thing

1045
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: I've ever shot on TV, right, and uh, I am

1046
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: constantly reminded of this thing. And I we as an

1047
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: industry have promoted this so often unobtainable end result of

1048
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: this grip and grim of somebody standing there and holding

1049
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 1: up whatever animal every time they go out. And we've

1050
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: bread in this. You can almost taste it. Fear of

1051
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: failure and what if I don't get something? Well, let

1052
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: me tell you all about that. Because I don't get

1053
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: something the vast, vast, vast majority of the time. That's

1054
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: our value system. Like our value system. I think that

1055
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: may be the biggest issue, and I think it is.

1056
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: I think I think we value the animal. We all

1057
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: value the animal, some of them, some of us fetishize

1058
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: the antlers and have that thing going on. But some

1059
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: level that's okay, Like we can figure that out. That's

1060
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: a smaller issue. I think. I think the larger issue

1061
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: is that we've devalue the experience. It's to such a

1062
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: level that it's gonna be hard to come back from

1063
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: like that. It's gonna be hard to come back from

1064
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: the inches and and that and the social media showing

1065
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: off of your animal. Um, it's gonna be a little

1066
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: bit hard to come back from that. As a group,

1067
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: all these people in this room, like we're sitting in

1068
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: the truck where it's the fun. We're sitting in truck.

1069
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: We're sitting this here truck and like around us are

1070
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, taxidermy, heads of giant animals, bigger creators and

1071
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: I have every right. So there's kids here, man, Like,

1072
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: there's kids here that that's all that they know. And

1073
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: one of the things that pivot from that, one of

1074
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: the things that heartens me that maybe there's a change.

1075
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: And this is a long one, but what do you

1076
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: what's the percentage of hunters that are over fifty five

1077
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: that buy licenses? You know what that is? I mean,

1078
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: it's pretty good, it's pretty big percentage. Sorry, over yeah, over.

1079
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: I think currently over fifty five is our largest demographic.

1080
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: And so there's going to be a gap, right when

1081
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: that generation moves on, There's gonna be some sort of

1082
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: gap in the hunting populace, like there's gonna be a

1083
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: time when there's way less of us. I think that's

1084
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: what's happening now. As the numbers go down, there's a gap,

1085
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: there's going to be this generational gap, and I think

1086
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: we can fill that gap in a way that maybe

1087
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: would change that trophy hunting mentality or just change the

1088
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: devalue ring of the experience. So I got to take

1089
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: a a young lady that worked at this website called

1090
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: The Chive. You ever heard of that? Yeah? Yeah, So

1091
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 1: they got awesome, Yeah, they got ahold of me, and

1092
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: they said, we want to film this hunt with you

1093
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: in this year old girl named Taylor that works at

1094
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: the Chive and has never shot a gun, never hunted rarely. Um,

1095
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss characterize sure, but she rarely

1096
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: left city life. UM, pretty typically a city girl. And

1097
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: they said we want to film it, um and documented

1098
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: then have put a video up on the Chive. I

1099
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: was like, that's amazing, No, because she's probably gonna be

1100
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: in a bikini if everybody know the Chive. It's just

1101
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: it's not It didn't seem like a serious affair. But

1102
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: then I went and talked to the producers and the directors,

1103
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: and they were like saying all the right stuff. So

1104
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: I said, let's go do it. Set it up. We

1105
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: went there. Weile the havelin hunt in South Texas. We

1106
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: literally hunted for eight hours. I showed her how to

1107
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: shoot a rifle taughter. She cried two or three times

1108
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: during that experience. Was very excited to learn how shooting go.

1109
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: And we take her out. We find ha Alina. She

1110
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: shoots it about sony five yards and drops it, kills it.

1111
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: And then about a span of eight hours from never

1112
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: have a shot a gun to having killed a living thing,

1113
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: and that microwaved amount of time. So we get this thing.

1114
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 1: I sure had a gut it. We skin it, we

1115
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: eat it that night, we cook it, we eat it,

1116
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: and on the way back she said something like this

1117
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: was this one of the top five days of my life?

1118
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: And I thought, holy shit, like the experience of understanding.

1119
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: Because I didn't let any We never talked about any

1120
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: types of trophies. We never talked about seeing the animal.

1121
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: Is this thing you could take a picture of. I didn't.

1122
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: I try to look at some of the negative things

1123
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: that I think are in hunting out and I didn't

1124
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: let her have that, Like I took that away, didn't

1125
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: introduce it to her and just kind of said, we're

1126
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: gonna go kill this thing. You need to learn about

1127
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: the natural history of it. You need to learn about

1128
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: where it lives and and kill it, and then you

1129
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 1: need to eat it and have that experience you and

1130
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: that animals, just you and that animal. She came out

1131
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: saying that that changed her life. To me or you,

1132
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: that would be the most simple hunt you could ever do.

1133
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: A day hunt for Havelina is not something that I

1134
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 1: particularly would put up there as in my bucket list,

1135
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: but I found that, like there's so many people in

1136
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: the urban bubble now that have this inner yearning for

1137
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: something more that even the simplest form of hunting shows

1138
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: them a different way and it could change their life.

1139
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: Maybe that's hyperfectly, But for this gal, yeah, Kinada did

1140
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: at least changed a little bit of the way that

1141
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: she's all things. And so I think maybe that generation

1142
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: gap if everybody could, you know, remove the trivy hunting

1143
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: and all that stuff and take somebody out for that

1144
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: type of experience, a wilderness experience even, or something that

1145
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: is more about the experience and the learning than it

1146
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 1: is about the result. We could backfill that generation gap

1147
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people who will then be teaching

1148
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: their kids a whole different way to do it that

1149
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: I find way more enriching than a lot of this. Well,

1150
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: and so to back you up on this, I just

1151
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: read UH mentioned demographics and and and part of uh

1152
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: part of this study is lifelong hunters are not now

1153
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: looking at it now, lifelong hunters are not being made

1154
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: in the youngest hunting category. So the kids that we're

1155
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: bringing up into hunting, that group is not retaining those hunters.

1156
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: They're eventually finding something else to do. They get out

1157
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 1: in the real world there eighteen, they're like, oh, ships, chicks,

1158
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: chicks or dudes, I guess whatever. But the group that

1159
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: is coming into hunting that is much smaller later in life,

1160
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: are sticking with it to the end of I mean,

1161
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: for as long as they can. Well, I've seen I

1162
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: think there was a study in eleven that said it

1163
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: was like returning military was a big part of that.

1164
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: A big part of that was female, A big part

1165
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: of that was urban and suburban people that just wanted

1166
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: to have the experience that Taylor had with me. So

1167
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: I think those groups of people are, because that's the

1168
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 1: way to teach enough people that and be like, eventually

1169
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: you could get to the trophy hunting thing. It's not

1170
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: all wrong, but there's parts of it that wrong. Just

1171
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 1: don't start there, yeah, do not start there. Get there eventually.

1172
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: My buddy's kid and I told him we had a

1173
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: couple of cocktails after this hunt, and I told him

1174
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: flat out, I was like, hey, mann, I want I

1175
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: want to take your child from you for future hunting

1176
01:12:54,160 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: seasons as my official protege prodigy um and rear him.

1177
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: We will attach a mustache to him until such time

1178
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: as he can grow on and and and teach him

1179
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: out to hunt my way because he this kid has

1180
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: got it and his dad is trying to provide him

1181
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: all the opportunities he did not have. And you know,

1182
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: I have come to this conclusion that he has made

1183
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: hunting so easy for his kids. I will be shocked

1184
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: if any of them make it to that lifelong hunter line,

1185
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: because they've found all these goals that you know, I

1186
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: definitely had as a kid, but I still have not achieved.

1187
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: And and and it's and it's pretty much on a

1188
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: plate for him, Like there's some work in there, but

1189
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: also the attitude. You know. I had this buddy of

1190
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: mine out, Um, Kelsey Clevenberg, you may know him as

1191
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: Seattle's batman. He uh, he's It seems like a whole

1192
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 1: different chase. This dude down that broke off Ken Griffey Jr.

1193
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: Is bat off the statue in front of a Safeco

1194
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: feeling made a lot of local papers. No, the man

1195
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: was passed out in the alley and and he just

1196
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: picked up the bat out of the trash can. I

1197
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: think that would have made up a story anyway. This man,

1198
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: grown grown man. I grew up in Montana, uh in

1199
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: a hunting family. And Um, he shot a forking horn

1200
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: mule deer uh in the company of my buddy, uh Josh,

1201
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: who's fourteen. And Josh could not figure out why this

1202
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:03,879
Speaker 1: grown man had shot a two point mule here. And furthermore,

1203
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: I could not figure out why he was this grown

1204
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: man was almost crying, almost doing back flips on the

1205
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: mountain over the fact that he had just shot a

1206
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: foking horn mule here. And Um, Josh and I are

1207
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: dragging this forky down uh to where we can bring

1208
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: it out on on his side by side and um

1209
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: and Josh turns me. He's like, yeah I did. I didn't.

1210
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think he'd shoot that kind of in hushed tones,

1211
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: and I said, well, yeah, look at him, Josh. I'm like,

1212
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: he's overjoyed and that's all that matters, right, And we're

1213
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 1: dragging this buck through this old growth sage brush which

1214
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: is kind of a pain, um, and we're dragging along.

1215
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: Then eventually Josh was like, yeah, yeah, that that is

1216
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: what matters, and that right there was MHM. Had a

1217
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: lot of great moments last hunting season, but that right there,

1218
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: I feel is the only moment during hunting season that

1219
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: I did something or participated in something that did something

1220
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: for the greater good of hunting. That one little moment,

1221
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: that's yeah, man. I feel that though too. I mean

1222
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: I think there's these little driving back from that hunt

1223
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: with Um Taylor from the Chive. I have. The video

1224
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,759
Speaker 1: is good, hoping at overstate the experience, but um, driving

1225
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: back from that, I just thought this should be a job, Like,

1226
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: not the idea of taking people hunting. That's already a job.

1227
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: You've done it, yes, but the idea of, like, see,

1228
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: taking someone out of their comfort zone and intentionally giving

1229
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: them something they couldn't get in their current environment, because

1230
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: so many things about hunting that you can't get in

1231
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 1: that environment. So we were talking at at the dinner

1232
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: the other night. I just think the fact that more

1233
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: people are moving into urban environments is in a lot

1234
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: of ways good for hunting because all of those people,

1235
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: not all of them, a lot of them have that

1236
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: urge build into them to go do something wild. They've

1237
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: seen it on TV, they've you know, kind of build

1238
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: it up. And the more people that are in those

1239
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: urban environments, I think the more people we can convince like,

1240
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: try this out, here's a way, come do this, and

1241
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: it will change you if you do it right. If

1242
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: you do it wrong, it's just kind of a thing

1243
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: that you do. But it's you know, going out into

1244
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: the natural world and taking something you didn't put there yourself.

1245
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: A pretty serious deal. So it ought to be life.

1246
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: It ought to be you ought to cry and jump around,

1247
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 1: and and it's not making an impact on you. I

1248
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 1: wager you're going about it in the wrong way. Yeah,

1249
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: I wager I waged that exact thing. I would. There's

1250
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: too many people here that are there's just too many

1251
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: of them that how is your year? And they're like, well,

1252
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: I got me a mule, dear, I got me an elk,

1253
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: got me shout fourteen doves and antelope? What else I showed? Like, no,

1254
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: nont know? How was your year? Tell me how it was?

1255
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you have fun? Do you have a bad year?

1256
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: Good year? Would you learn my particular year? I hunted

1257
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: a lot in a lot of different places, and I

1258
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: feel like I got about thirty five or forty years

1259
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: of knowledge and perspective this year, seen this prior year,

1260
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm thankingful for. We could go through

1261
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: the list of things that I killed in each experience

1262
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: and what I what they meant all, but in its

1263
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: collective nature, it made me a better person, maybe a

1264
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: better hunter, and may be better able to tackle the

1265
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: things that I think we all need to. And so

1266
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: if somebody said, how your year? But like, it's freaking

1267
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: awesome because I got to travel around and see a

1268
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: lot of different things, gained some perspective and maybe in

1269
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: part that perspective on to other people. Maybe absolutely. Man,

1270
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh it wasn't. If I said, hey, how's your year,

1271
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta two elk that time. My year

1272
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: was huh, I'm a good hunter. Let's see what I got.

1273
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's built into our community,

1274
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: and I think maybe we should start to uh try

1275
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: to change that a little bit. Yeah, man, And and

1276
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: and it's it's gonna be hard to wrap that up

1277
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 1: in a nice little hashtag or in that dreat that's

1278
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: gonna get a bunch of social engagement. Yeah, But on

1279
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: a on a personal level, it can be done. It is,

1280
01:19:54,439 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: it is so attainable. And man, it you gotta know.

1281
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: Yet you just gotta be willing. I mean, that's that's

1282
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: all there is to it. Man, you gotta you gotta

1283
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: be willing to just go. And uh, you know, I'm

1284
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: on a pretty serious uh run on the old Elkasaurus front,

1285
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. And and I look at them as as

1286
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: groceries as well, and I feel like a weight has

1287
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: been lifted off my shoulders when I get one in

1288
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: the freezer. And I've been pretty darn and consistent. Um

1289
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: but and the question is always how. And I try

1290
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: a new spot every single day. And and even though

1291
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: I want one, the end all be all is not

1292
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: is not getting that sucker down. It's not getting that picture. Uh,

1293
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: it's it's it's something. It's just it's something much much different.

1294
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: I get get my days in the field and be uh,

1295
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: be quiet and not not talking him and uh. And

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01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: I do not leave the truck door with this. I don't.

1297
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: I don't leave the track going. This is going to

1298
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: be a failure if I do not get one. Yeah,

1299
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: I have I can confidently say I have zero fear

1300
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: of failure when I think like you're You're just a

1301
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: great example to me is someone who it's just a

1302
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: generally good person who wants to go out and do

1303
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 1: a good thing, um and wants to think hard about

1304
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: that thing and then you know, make sure your energies

1305
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,839
Speaker 1: are going in the right direction, boast a better yourself,

1306
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 1: but then also to have some ideas around that betterment

1307
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 1: that can be put out into the world. And I

1308
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: would say, like a lot of first this will be

1309
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: our second podcast, but the first one and this one

1310
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: we're both. Maybe they seem like there's a lot of

1311
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: negative talk about hunters and hunting in the community because

1312
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about things maybe we want to change and

1313
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 1: things we don't see. I think there's a ton of

1314
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: good people that are just doing something because that's how

1315
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 1: they were taught, or doing something because they're a part

1316
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: of groupthink or they're part of the collective group and

1317
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: that's what they see, so they emulate that. And um,

1318
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: I think that doesn't make them bad in any way.

1319
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 1: It doesn't make them really as harmful as as in

1320
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: my mind it may seem. I think those people are

1321
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: are essential. But all those people need to do they

1322
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,480
Speaker 1: start to think about things a little different, have a conversation,

1323
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: learn and grow and the way that you have and

1324
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: I have, and maybe sit down, Um, and well, next

1325
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: time they're out on the hunt, they buy hunt from outfitter,

1326
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: and it feels weird when they shot the animal. Think

1327
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: why did that feel weird? Why why did that not

1328
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: feel good? Because there's been some times where I shot

1329
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: at the animal and you're sitting there by it or

1330
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: you walk up to it and didn't feel good. It

1331
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: didn't feel right. And so maybe at the end of

1332
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: the day when that happens to you and then sit

1333
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: back and think, why didn't that feel right? Why didn't

1334
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: I have? You know, your your buddy that shot a

1335
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 1: forky and jumped around and was emotional and cried. That's right,

1336
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: Like that's the feeling we should all have all the time.

1337
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: When we we achieved that thing. So I would just

1338
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: hope that people can can sit down next time that

1339
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: happens to him and be like, what led to this?

1340
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 1: What led to this? Not is less than fulfilling feeling,

1341
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: because I've had it. I had it dozens of times

1342
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: in my hunting life, and each time I'm like, Oh,

1343
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna figure out how I got to this.

1344
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the way the outfitter treated it. Maybe it's

1345
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: that we just got out of the truck and sat

1346
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: down and shot this thing. Maybe you know, maybe it's

1347
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: we shot a bunch of ducks and I was in

1348
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: a camp and half of the guys never intended to

1349
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: take the ducks home. Like maybe being with that group

1350
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 1: of people just didn't make it good, like for me.

1351
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think about that a lot,

1352
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,480
Speaker 1: and I I hope that you know, in these conversations,

1353
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: people don't think we're bagging on a bunch of people.

1354
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: Were not. We're just trying to openly have the discussion

1355
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: that is necessary my view. Yeah, and I don't feel

1356
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: like we're having a negative conversation, And then I hope

1357
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: that's not what's being broadcast. I think I think it

1358
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: is an important message to all of us pig tough,

1359
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: macho dudes in the hunting world that it's important to

1360
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 1: think about this stuff because there is a lot to

1361
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: think about and h you know, and as this world

1362
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: becomes more and more populated, um, you know, these big

1363
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: wild chunks of ground are going to be more and

1364
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: more sacred, and these critters are going to be more

1365
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: and more sacred. Um. And we have an absolute responsibility

1366
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:17,560
Speaker 1: to do a better job myself included of sharing that

1367
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 1: passion with people who don't get it, because it is like,

1368
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: like we talked about in the beginning, I kill the

1369
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: things I love. And I don't say that lightly at all,

1370
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: because it is a bizarre thing when you really think

1371
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 1: about it. And if it's a bizarre thing to me,

1372
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: who has been doing it, you know, essentially my whole life.

1373
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 1: And when I wasn't doing it, I was wanting to

1374
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: want to participate. Um. If it's a weird thing to me,

1375
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 1: it's a different planet, alien type of observation to a

1376
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: just a non hunter. You think about where you are now,

1377
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: if you would have gone and talked to young mustache

1378
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: lest Ryan Callahan up there in Montana when you're growing

1379
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 1: up and be like, hey, you know later on in

1380
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: your life, this is what's gonna happen. Like people are

1381
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: going to recognize you as a person that cares about conservation,

1382
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: as a leader in this thing, and like you'll have

1383
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 1: an impact on people based on your hunting. And you're

1384
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: thinking about hunting, like, ah, yeah, out of here, get

1385
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: out of here. You're crazy, You're crazy. I mean, yeah,

1386
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: I don't. I think the same thing when people say

1387
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: to me, like, hey, I really appreciate you know what

1388
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: you do? Holy sh it, Yeah, party brands screaming why

1389
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: the hell does my opinion matter what? And then I

1390
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: think the people like other people I respect, like Ranella

1391
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:50,799
Speaker 1: and rogue In and people that have astronomically larger impacts

1392
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,919
Speaker 1: on the way people think and feel and are educated.

1393
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: I think like, wow, that's a heavy burden, but a

1394
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: good one. Um, that's a it's a heavy hammer to swing,

1395
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: but swinging anyway, you know, swinging hard and hopefully hit

1396
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: your mark. But that's um, So I think we should

1397
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: finish up. You probably have to get back to your booth.

1398
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: You think there's some people over there, Yes, there's been

1399
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: some some sex. Please bring caffeine, please help us, pizza

1400
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: and booze. I think maybe we should close out because

1401
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: I think would you look into your side view mirror

1402
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: please again, We're in a truck. Can you see that? Yeah,

1403
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: this is something that I keep staring at that there

1404
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: is at least a six point bull elk looking directly

1405
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: into the side of the driver's side mirror as we sit.

1406
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to capture a picture. This is over,

1407
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: I think. Um, one of the things that I think

1408
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: is I think a lot of things, but one of

1409
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: them is um. Storytelling and descript in is as old

1410
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: as humanity and very important. So I would ask you,

1411
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan, I will be quiet. I want to ask

1412
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 1: you to take a couple of moments and just describe

1413
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: and detail some of the things that you're looking at

1414
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: currently and help people to because we're not gonna film

1415
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: any Hunting Collected podcasts, and we're gonna make sure we

1416
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: always do them in weird situations like one a glass

1417
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: and tit or in a truck in a trade show.

1418
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,560
Speaker 1: So I'd like you to close it out by just

1419
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: picking points of this scene and explaining it to the listener.

1420
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 1: Imagine a a giant hall, a convention hall. Um, you know,

1421
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: forty ft tall ceilings. Imagine a Toyota pickup truck UM

1422
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: dropped in the middle of I would I mean thousands

1423
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: of people in this room. For sure. We're currently surrounded

1424
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: by hundreds, some of which have taken notice and and

1425
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: are looking in the windows of the truck at Benn

1426
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: and myself in front of us. Directly in front of us,

1427
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: there is a shooting range with re curve bows and

1428
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: bird arrows, and people are lining up to shoot aerial

1429
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: targets foam targets that are being thrown in the air

1430
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: UM large shoulder mount critters typically elk. I see an

1431
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: access here a mule dere to left, which is a

1432
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: giant foam yetie for some reason, the abombing a lost

1433
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: snowman literally clutching in American flag. God bless America. UM.

1434
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it. It's we are. We're in

1435
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: our own little cocoon here in this in this truck,

1436
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: and it's fascinating. It's almost like being in a submarine,

1437
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: like driving through the you know, in the ocean. And

1438
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 1: there was just a young man wearing a floppy hat.

1439
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: He had long flowing hair, kind of like a fabio

1440
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: looking hair, and he was just pounding these foam targets

1441
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: with a bow. And behind him while he was doing

1442
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 1: that was this yettie. It's white body yettie. It's probably

1443
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: about eight or nine ft tall. Say that tall, It's

1444
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: very tall. And then behind them at this very moment

1445
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: is the gritty bowman recording a podcast and much the

1446
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: same way we are. I don't see who he's talking to,

1447
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: but it looks very interesting conversation. So you maybe at

1448
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: some point listen to this and then listen to that

1449
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: podcast and know that it was at the same time.

1450
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: It's like the snow globe that looks out on another snow.

1451
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: So we are happily. I'm happy that we are in

1452
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:02,919
Speaker 1: this fairly unique set cuation. Yes, both in our careers

1453
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: and our lives and in our current locale. Yes, sir.

1454
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Where where do you go from here? Man? I'm gonna

1455
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: hidjack your clothing? Thought well, home home? Where does this

1456
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: podcast go from it? Oh? Where do I? I thought

1457
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: you were like, why I'm going home? This podcast goes

1458
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: to my home. I'm an interview of my wife child.

1459
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: You know, hey, and my name is Benn. Do you

1460
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:29,560
Speaker 1: remember me? Um? I want to I have a like

1461
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: maybe a realistic view of where it will go, and

1462
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 1: then I want to but I might as well just

1463
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: described the plant too, because I guess that's all that matters.

1464
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: From being in the world of marketing and sponsorships and

1465
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: as you are being involved in that dance, I see,

1466
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to do that, um, so

1467
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: I and being also a journalist in my head, um,

1468
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: hopefully in my mind. UM, I hope this can just

1469
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 1: be pure honest content. That's all that's my hope for it.

1470
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: I hope. I'm pretty certain that I won't let any

1471
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: other influences touch it. Um. If someone would like to

1472
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: jump on and and uh put words around it so

1473
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: get people's attention, that's great, that's fine. But I'm after

1474
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: experiencing a lot of content that isn't real and has

1475
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 1: other agendas. I would like there to be this outlet

1476
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: where there isn't that advertorial versus editorial editorial and and

1477
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: in very many ways, not only my own thoughts about

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Speaker 1: that are important, but like a guy like Joe Rogan

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01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: who has that idea already going when the people that

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01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: he's inspired, he's I've known him for a while and

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01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: he's inspired me. So I hope it just goes a

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01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: natural course. I hope it benefits hunting. That's what it's

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01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: here for. UM. It's not here to benefit skiers or surfers,

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01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: but I hope they listen and understand a little bit

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01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: of what's in our heads. There's a young boy waving

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01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: at Calais right now. But I hope it just can

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01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: be an honest and open conversation and a Catharsis for

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: me personally to discuss some of the ideas that confuse

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01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: me with very smart people and hope they can add

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01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: to my own personal knowledge base for hunting in my

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01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: own perspective, which I think I've already seen that it does.

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01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,719
Speaker 1: UM And you know, I hopefully can be an outlet

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01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 1: for passion and the knowledge and all that type of stuff.

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01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Learning and growth are good things. I definitely content matters

1495
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: to me because I think storytelling can impact people. I'm

1496
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: sure it's impacted you. It surely has impacted me. So

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01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever want to UM have

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01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: something that isn't purely about that. So this is I

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01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: think that's why we're in this truck here in this

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01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm excited. Does it make sense? It

1501
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: all makes sense that I just babbling along to follow

1502
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: your journey. And I think, yeah, in the in the

1503
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: hunting world, um again, we've you know, we've we've really

1504
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: focused on on the end, the the optimal end result

1505
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: for a long time. And and uh, I'll be the

1506
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: first to tell you that I will never consider myself

1507
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: an expert because I think ultimately the reason I love

1508
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: hunting is there are so many variables, so there are

1509
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: so many things that can happen, um that you know,

1510
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna have it perfect. I'm never going to

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01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: be what I considered the best right and and that's

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01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: why I love it. Um so um yeah, I mean

1513
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit like me, a little bit you, Yeah,

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01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more varied in your talents

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01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 1: than I am. Um. Like a lot of people might

1516
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 1: pick up archery and get really into the minutia of archery.

1517
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: I think maybe I picked up hunting and get into

1518
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: the menu, show the philosophy of it. Just as much

1519
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 1: as somebody might be a gearhead about a bow. I

1520
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: think I'm just kind of a get your head about

1521
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: the idea, like what it is. I don't know, maybe

1522
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: I think that's hopefully what we'll we'll come across that.

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01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: It's more to me exciting to discuss ideas and to

1524
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: discuss not travel or or uh specifically ill to do something.

1525
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's part of part of

1526
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: also what I'd like to to just continue to do

1527
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: is just exchange ideas and have good conversation. Push it

1528
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, I like it. I like it too.

1529
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: So you're point of you know, going back to young

1530
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Ryan calla here. I mean, yeah, I'm just I'm staring

1531
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: out the window of this truck on a trade show

1532
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 1: floor and people are masked in here to see uh

1533
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: mounts and stuff and just do something out of their routine.

1534
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 1: I think. And and if you were to go back

1535
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand years and grab some short, hairy hunter with

1536
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: a sharp stick and be able to communicate to them

1537
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: what you are doing right now, this is where it's

1538
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: going to be. Yeah, yep, here we are. We've arrived

1539
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: at this, at this juncture. I will close out by

1540
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: saying that if this podcast, and I appreciate you kind

1541
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: of interviewing me to figure out what this is, because

1542
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not probably good at just declaring whatever

1543
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: the hunting collective will be. But I will say this,

1544
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: if it ever becomes about me, let me know. Let

1545
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 1: me know. If it ever becomes about like who I

1546
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: am and what I do all the time, let me know,

1547
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 1: because I prefer it would be about guys like yourself,

1548
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: guys like Ranella, people like that, um, and then just

1549
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:14,040
Speaker 1: a show about my shit. So if it ever anybody listening,

1550
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: if you ever feel like there's it's starting to become

1551
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 1: more about me than about other people, let me know.

1552
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 1: I would love to know that. I would love for

1553
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you to tell me to stop doing it, because that

1554
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: is not my intention. So I like it. Man, No,

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01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: I think yeah, you can bend a few years. It

1556
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 1: will be a fun, fun journey. Looking looking forward to

1557
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: listening and thank you very much, thanks for coming on

1558
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: see you well. Damn, that was an awesome conversation. Thanks

1559
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: of course to run Callahan for joining me, for everybody

1560
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: at first Light for doing what you do, make a

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01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: badass gyar and support public lands. It was also a

1562
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 1: great time in Sault Like City this last weekend into

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01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:01,480
Speaker 1: Western Honey Conservation next bo at as of great conversations

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01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 1: with smart people care about hunting. I can't wait till

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01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: I hope to see you there. That's it. That's all

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01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 1: there is episode number two. We will definitely get better

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01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 1: for episode number three that will becoming next week at

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01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: you But until then, visit the Hunting Collective dot com

1569
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: for articles, videos, and all kinds of good information. See you,