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Speaker 2: I took a brutal beating in the early games. I
Speaker 2: not only went oh for four, they all got blown out.
Speaker 2: I've never had one of those. I've had bad weekends.
Speaker 2: I've not been on the wrong side of everything. And
Speaker 2: I liked Army. I mean, everything went wrong. Thank god
Speaker 2: there wasn't a big college football weekend. So let's start
Speaker 2: with Philadelphia. Jalen Hurts. I mean, the guy had nothing
Speaker 2: but time. The old line for Philadelphia was fantastic. He's
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty two, two touchdowns, no picks. I
Speaker 2: mean it was really to watch him kind of do
Speaker 2: whatever he wanted to do in the second half, twenty
Speaker 2: seven to thirteen Philadelphia. You know, now, George Pickens was
Speaker 2: out for Pittsburgh. He was a go either way. If
Speaker 2: I could do it over again, I wouldn't have taken
Speaker 2: the Steelers with him out again. I guess it's the hamstring.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's second half for Philadelphia. I can
Speaker 2: say all I want about Nick Ceriani that second half.
Speaker 1: I mean we.
Speaker 2: Always say script first half, second half as players. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to make of it. Pittsburgh's defense. They clinched,
Speaker 2: by the way, a playoff spot, even losing because of
Speaker 2: the Chargers loss. What did you make of Philadelphia? I
Speaker 2: was kind of jaw dropping.
Speaker 1: You know, I was pacing around before the afternoon game started.
Speaker 1: I thought about putting a large wager on the Steelers
Speaker 1: money line, and I thought about ten minutes into that game,
Speaker 1: it was obvious the Steelers were in major trouble. They
Speaker 1: could not cover the two wide receivers. You know, the
Speaker 1: game plan is always going to be to corral Sakwon Barkley. Well,
Speaker 1: they held him. He didn't sniff one hundred yards. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: aj Brown and DeVante Smith had twenty catches over two
Speaker 1: hundred yards and he's had a touchdown. I mean that
Speaker 1: had to be given the circumstance and the level of competition.
Speaker 1: One of Jalen's best games in a long long time.
Speaker 1: He was under complete control Kellen Moore. I thought the
Speaker 1: two coordinators, Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio dominated that game.
Speaker 1: And like Listen, Syriotti's head coach, so he's got credit
Speaker 1: to I mean, that was a that was a dominant
Speaker 1: team effort start to finish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Naji Harris's fumbled the little bit of life Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: had in the second half when Naji Harris fumbles as
Speaker 2: they're driving in. They weren't taking a lead, but they
Speaker 2: were competitive.
Speaker 1: You know. It was funny.
Speaker 2: They only had eighty first half yards and they only
Speaker 2: trailed seventeen thirteen, So I'm like, God, if they can
Speaker 2: just muster two point fifty, they have a chance to
Speaker 2: pull it out. And then Nase Harris fumbled, You know it.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things and I try to avoid this.
Speaker 1: I try to.
Speaker 2: Avoid confirmation bias, and I mean, like Dan Campbell is
Speaker 2: what he is even today with that on side kick.
Speaker 2: He's just a risk taker. I don't like his situational football,
Speaker 2: but I do feel like Sirianni's one of those coaches
Speaker 2: I used to cover. Mike Bellatti was the coach of Oregon,
Speaker 2: and I always thought Mike was a good coach highly
Speaker 2: dependent on his coordinators. So and that's okay. I didn't
Speaker 2: feel that as much with Belichick or an Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: especially Andy Reid, but Steve Spagnola obviously elevates him. But
Speaker 2: is it possible that Sirioni's a solid to good coach,
Speaker 2: highly reliant on coordinators. And it looks like he's hit
Speaker 2: on two more so he had two hits, two misses
Speaker 2: and two hits. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of CEO head coaches
Speaker 1: are very dependent on coordinators. You know, Sirianni is an
Speaker 1: offensive guy. He can't call the offense, so it's a
Speaker 1: pretty unique circumstance. I mean, Tomin's defenses are always awesome,
Speaker 1: and he obviously has a huge role in that. If
Speaker 1: you watch that, you know, four team hard knocks, he's
Speaker 1: sitting in with the defense. He plays a big role
Speaker 1: in the mentality Siriani. I mean he's getting into it
Speaker 1: at the end of the game with Jalen Carter and
Speaker 1: the defensive line coach and Big Dom separating everybody after.
Speaker 1: It's just the Eagles have an infrastructure of they're like
Speaker 1: a collegiate team that's like Georgia LSU, where they got
Speaker 1: a pipeline to elite players and starts with the front
Speaker 1: office and Howie Roseman. I mean, they got good players everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean their defensive line, they invest the offensive line,
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. You know, he Inherit Stoutlin, who is
Speaker 1: an incredible offensive line coach. I think, yeah, Brady was
Speaker 1: on that call he's talking about you know, McKay Becton
Speaker 1: was a disaster with the Jets. They're like, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: take him and we'll move him to right guard and
Speaker 1: then it'll be one of the better guards in the season.
Speaker 1: You know, in the year. How many teams could have
Speaker 1: pulled that off. Probably not many. So they're really good
Speaker 1: at talent evaluation. They take big swings and they hit
Speaker 1: on a lot of them. I talked to a buddy
Speaker 1: with over the last week about Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter
Speaker 1: could not have functioned in a lot of places. You know,
Speaker 1: I think some of the teams that passed on them,
Speaker 1: like Atlanta, get a lot of shit. The Eagles were
Speaker 1: uniquely equipped, I think with you know, veteran defensive linemen.
Speaker 1: They had Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham still around and
Speaker 1: now Vic Fangio around him can really you know, Vic's
Speaker 1: been around the block a few times. But the talent today,
Speaker 1: the Eagles just have more talent. And Russell Wilson, he's
Speaker 1: been good this season, but you remove George Pickens and
Speaker 1: he sat today against a better team, it was like whoa,
Speaker 1: they got issues their passing game. You know, tight ends
Speaker 1: a good player. But outside the little guy Austin can
Speaker 1: only do so much. What's he He's not that tall
Speaker 1: of a guy. So Russell doesn't have his DK metcalf
Speaker 1: is George Pickens where he can just throw that lollipop
Speaker 1: to you. Felt it today big time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You feel with a lot of teams in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the bill are very much led by
Speaker 2: Josh Allen, but you feel with certain teams, like even
Speaker 2: good teams, you feel you know, you're sort of led
Speaker 2: by an individual player. Pittsburgh without George Pickens, it's just
Speaker 2: not the same team. But you start watching Philadelphia today
Speaker 2: and there are Sundays at Saquon Barklay and the O
Speaker 2: line dominate. Today. It was their wide receivers in Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's their defensive front.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I watched Philadelphia today and I don't want
Speaker 2: to overreact, and I'm looking at some notes here. It
Speaker 2: is it is really hard to watch that game today
Speaker 2: with Philadelphia, and you know, I'm looking at some notes here.
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh's first half offense two point seven yards of play.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you not put the Eagles in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Nothing against Detroit. I love their offense,
Speaker 2: they are so beat up defensively. Now that I watched Phildelphia,
Speaker 2: I watched Philadelphia and I'm like, I don't even think
Speaker 2: Detroit matches up with him, do you?
Speaker 1: No, well not right now with their defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: they lost McNeil today to a foot injury immediately out.
Speaker 1: They've already missed a bunch of guys. You know, one
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out to me this week is when
Speaker 1: the AJ Brown thing happened on Sunday and then Brandon
Speaker 1: Graham goes on his radio show and basically says, you know,
Speaker 1: they're calling it fake news, Like the story wasn't created
Speaker 1: by the media, it was created by their player saying
Speaker 1: they don't like each other. So I was pretty excited
Speaker 1: to see Sirianni in that press conference because even he
Speaker 1: kind of opens up, like, right, I know where he
Speaker 1: got a big game this week, but I understand the
Speaker 1: questions aren't going to be about that. I thought it
Speaker 1: was pretty impressive the way he handled the press conference
Speaker 1: in regards to AJ and Jalen, And you talk about
Speaker 1: a guy who's been under the firing line now for
Speaker 1: a couple of years and the pressure cooker of Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: just the way he kind of just I would say,
Speaker 1: dimmed the fire. He couldn't put it out because it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen in Philadelphia, but he could settle it
Speaker 1: a little bit. And by game time he's got eight catches,
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten yards and a touchdown. And everyone
Speaker 1: knew that they were gonna, you know, involve him in
Speaker 1: the offense, but he was really involved in the offense.
Speaker 1: So now everyone's happy. The great part about the NFL
Speaker 1: unlike a lot of industries where it's like half the
Speaker 1: company doesn't care about the quarterly earnings, in football, if
Speaker 1: you win, it'll quiet everyone down. If you get a
Speaker 1: wide receiver a few passes, everyone could well take a
Speaker 1: deep breath and that's what happens. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: how are they gonna look because if it went weird
Speaker 1: today with Jalen and aj Yeah, and they even if
Speaker 1: they wanted to be like, oh, something's still up, no
Speaker 1: one can say anything now. Well.
Speaker 2: And I also think sometimes and I keep going back
Speaker 2: to Sirianni, but people do, even talented people, they learn
Speaker 2: on the job.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I I've told destroy before. I had a friend she
Speaker 2: was really talented, and she took a job. She was
Speaker 2: working at like I, you know, Oracle for years and years,
Speaker 2: and she took a job at Google, and she said
Speaker 2: the first six months she was terrified. She literally would
Speaker 2: drive to work panicking, I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: And I remember telling her, like, that's what you should
Speaker 2: be doing in life. You should never be ready for
Speaker 2: a job. You should be qualified, talented enough to excel.
Speaker 2: But who's ready to coach the Philadelphia Eagles. It's never
Speaker 2: been a head coach like I mean, Chip Kelly's like
Speaker 2: got caught between the crosshairs of Howie and Lewie and
Speaker 2: the media, and Chip Kelly's been a head coach. And
Speaker 2: I think I think Philadelphia is just uniquely difficult. It's
Speaker 2: a hard place to coach. The media has impact the
Speaker 2: GM's the strongest and the most opinionated in the league.
Speaker 2: I mean, you work for the organization. There are tough
Speaker 2: places to coach in this league. You know, Green Bay
Speaker 2: no owner, small media, very I would say, static, stoic
Speaker 2: front office, no yellers, no screamers. Mark Murphy, that's a
Speaker 2: pretty easy and they get the core right, so you're
Speaker 2: almost always have a quarterback. Philadelphia is one of the rare,
Speaker 2: excellent franchises. Very difficult to coach.
Speaker 1: You also didn't you know obviously in the climate now
Speaker 1: with social media and the Internet. I would imagine when
Speaker 1: Andy took over in the late nineties for Ray Rhoads.
Speaker 1: It was intense then, but it's it's got to be
Speaker 1: on steroids now with the version of the Internet and
Speaker 1: the pressure with social media with all the players, I
Speaker 1: think you left out. A key figure too, is the
Speaker 1: owner's got opinions. Colin Now, I wouldn't call it. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Luriy is a very supportive you know, he's a great
Speaker 1: owner to work for because the checkbooks always open anything
Speaker 1: you need. But he's got takes. I mean, I listen,
Speaker 1: I wasn't invited to these meetings, but clearly when Doug
Speaker 1: got kind of pushed out every week. You know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just Howie meet and when the owner was there.
Speaker 1: The owner's son now is involved analytically the analytic department,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of how he's you know, how he's
Speaker 1: I would call it true hybrid. He does everything. He
Speaker 1: watch his tape, but you know, from contracts to analytics,
Speaker 1: like he's involved in it all. So there's just a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the kitchen, but they function that
Speaker 1: well or that way right. They're very comfortable in a dysfunctional,
Speaker 1: pressure filled operation because they've been good really now, I
Speaker 1: mean the moment Andy showed up, they have really been
Speaker 1: consistently good. Moving on, I mean, Kyle, they're twelve and two.
Speaker 1: They were just I mean last year they were whatever
Speaker 1: nine and one, ten and one, and they truly fell apart,
Speaker 1: but they were still ten and one. I mean, think
Speaker 1: how many teams would just die to even have that ability.
Speaker 2: Think about this. They fired Doug Peterson he won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. They fired Jip Kelly, he had a winning record.
Speaker 2: I mean, so you start looking at them, they've been
Speaker 2: good for about twenty five straight years mostly have been
Speaker 2: a good franchise.
Speaker 1: I think one thing They're really talented at is pivoting,
Speaker 1: and you talk about this a lot, like they will
Speaker 1: pivot fast. And when they did that, off Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: and they accumulated all those picks and then they could maneuver.
Speaker 1: They could trade one pick for aj Brown, they still
Speaker 1: had multiple ones. They're always doing shit and they're always
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the Saquan acquisition. Mlin this week
Speaker 1: called it the best acquisition of the offseason. He was
Speaker 1: available to everybody. Now, I understand he was more inclined,
Speaker 1: kind of chip on his shoulder for the Giants, but
Speaker 1: it's not like how he offered him fifty million dollars.
Speaker 1: So listen, he wanted to go there. They gave him
Speaker 1: twenty seven million dollars guaranteed. We see in free agency
Speaker 1: guards you're getting fifty. So how he was aggressive and
Speaker 1: it's been perfect, But what Aj Brown? Why is the
Speaker 1: other team he was aggressive? He gave a first round pick.
Speaker 1: They're just very, very aggressive. Listen, you talk about being nervous.
Speaker 1: It's really served me and my life well, I think
Speaker 1: since I left the Eagles, that's an intense place to work.
Speaker 1: And how he is an intense guy and if you
Speaker 1: can handle that and survive that you can handle most
Speaker 1: things in life. And he is from I still have
Speaker 1: a lot of friends there, including how he his personality
Speaker 1: is his personality and it starts there at Sirianni is
Speaker 1: a high emotional guy, and that's why I think Dom
Speaker 1: has played a bigger Dom's there to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: last year he became a star with a pushing incident
Speaker 1: with Drake Greenlaw or became a you know his name,
Speaker 1: everyone kne who he was. But he's really there just
Speaker 1: to calm who was in the middle of Jalen Carter,
Speaker 1: highly emotional, crazy guy who just had an awful penalty
Speaker 1: and Sirianni screaming at each other. Dom's right there trying
Speaker 1: to pull them all back. So I think they just
Speaker 1: they just know how to function kind of in dysfunction,
Speaker 1: and they do it at an extreme. I mean, beside
Speaker 1: the Cheeks over the last and like the Bills over
Speaker 1: the last four years, who's won more games.
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Speaker 2: Okay Buffalo forty eight, Lions thirty five. I thought the
Speaker 2: Lions off rest despite some defensive injuries. I thought Buffalo's
Speaker 2: defense has it was just a sieve against the Rams. Well,
Speaker 2: it wasn't great today, but the Lions couldn't get any rhythm.
Speaker 2: I thought you saw Goff's lack of mobility and key
Speaker 2: spots juxtaposed against Josh Allen's athletic ability. It felt like
Speaker 2: the difference in the game is that, you know, if
Speaker 2: you really look at was twenty one fourteen at half,
Speaker 2: and Buffalo was just clearly the better team. But I
Speaker 2: really think, and I think I said something like this
Speaker 2: last week, there were things about Detroit Today again they
Speaker 2: were banged up and the Rams young defense is good,
Speaker 2: but Josh Allen had his way as well against the Rams.
Speaker 2: I think you can make an argument and I don't
Speaker 2: think this is I don't think what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: even shocking. I think Josh Allen maybe the most talented
Speaker 2: quarterback not only to play this game, but I think
Speaker 2: he sort of distanced himself from Mahomes and John Elway
Speaker 2: in terms of his running. Now, I mean he is
Speaker 2: he doesn't even have to do it. They had or
Speaker 2: five hundred yards. I always thought Elway and Mahomes, I
Speaker 2: thought those are the two most talented, you know, athletes
Speaker 2: court I mean, Marino was great, but he wasn't that athlete.
Speaker 2: Brady's obviously highly productive. I think Alan is separated from
Speaker 2: even like Elway and Mahomes in terms of just raw traits,
Speaker 2: horse power. I'm watching him today. If there was a
Speaker 2: league above the NFL, there'd be about twelve guys in
Speaker 2: it and he would be the first teamer. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you defend him. Now, they have a run
Speaker 2: gat got, James Cook averaged eight point six yards per play?
Speaker 2: How many one handed catches did they make? Today? But
Speaker 2: to me, it all goes back to Alan. How do
Speaker 2: you defend him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought today kind of became official, like he's
Speaker 1: the MVP of the league and now you can check
Speaker 1: that box and the best player yeah to be. It's
Speaker 1: it's clear like I think there was a gap. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I would say Lamar is a better player right now
Speaker 1: than Mahomes. Now. It's not you know, you could make
Speaker 1: arguments for Mahomes cast, but I think you know, Josh
Speaker 1: is one I've been saying forever. If you talk to
Speaker 1: anyone with the Chiefs, like they've played all these guys
Speaker 1: in the big games, he is by far the harder
Speaker 1: guy for them to play of anyone in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not even close. He has played excellent
Speaker 1: against them, specific a team that nobody plays well against.
Speaker 1: The Niners crumble, Lamar crumbles. Yet Josh Allen when you
Speaker 1: look at his numbers one in the playoffs. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing you know. Oftentimes, like, let's face it, Lamar
Speaker 1: is kind of the NFL's version of like Harden and
Speaker 1: Russell right now. What he's doing in the in the
Speaker 1: regular season now, like he's an elite regular season player,
Speaker 1: his numbers are always going to be elite. He is
Speaker 1: at the point now it's simply gonna be judged on
Speaker 1: the couple games in January right Well, now, Josh, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get that MVP, so he's gonna be But his
Speaker 1: playoff numbers have been excellent. If anything, his coach has
Speaker 1: cost him the game. A couple of times his field
Speaker 1: goal kickers cost him the game. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: he's the first player you talk about like what he's
Speaker 1: doing right now compared to these older greats. I saw
Speaker 1: a tweet he's the first player since nineteen forty eight
Speaker 1: to have back to back games with two passing touchdowns
Speaker 1: and two rushing touchdowns. Yeah. So he's playing with the
Speaker 1: greatest rushing quarterback of all time in Lamar Jackson, and
Speaker 1: Lamar's never even done that. So it's like, now they
Speaker 1: got a real running back, which is something they've lacked
Speaker 1: over the last three or four years, and James became
Speaker 1: that last year and he's carried it over well. Josh
Speaker 1: is one of the better running quarterbacks I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: So you have a great running quarterback and an elite
Speaker 1: running back and then the passing game. They are kind
Speaker 1: of like the Rogers Packers. It feels like if they
Speaker 1: played in a dome, they would be borderline unbeatable because
Speaker 1: you've seen him now back to back games and a dome, yes,
Speaker 1: and he's looked like a video game player. It's been
Speaker 1: completely unfair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know when when when the Mariners built
Speaker 2: that new stadium, Safeco, they called it like the stadium
Speaker 2: the Griffy built. You know, it was like it felt
Speaker 2: like there didn't he leave, Yeah, but they it felt
Speaker 2: like Seattle may lose baseball. And then the Ken Griffy
Speaker 2: they beat the Yankees. They eventually went on the Mariners
Speaker 2: to lose to a better Cleveland team. But it was
Speaker 2: like it was the impetus to get a new stadium
Speaker 2: from the outdated Kingdome. And you know with Buffalo, when
Speaker 2: I see the new stadium, they have covered it for fans.
Speaker 2: But if that game would have been played today in Buffalo,
Speaker 2: then a blizzard. I mean it would have been seventeen thirteen,
Speaker 2: maybe you couldn't have seen the field. And it is
Speaker 2: I am a little surprised that Buffalo didn't go. Listen,
Speaker 2: we have nine years of this guy. We may just
Speaker 2: want to build a stadium to really you know, I
Speaker 2: know it sounds weird. We all know that. You know,
Speaker 2: like you know that you cut the grass in football.
Speaker 2: If you've got a faster team, you want to play
Speaker 2: on a fast track. If you have a slower team,
Speaker 2: remember the Charlie Weiss, who was at Notre Dame's team
Speaker 2: that lost to Pete Carroll and usc who was the
Speaker 2: Notre Dame coach.
Speaker 1: I forget, Yeah, it was wise like Brady Quinn and
Speaker 1: those guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, us he had Reggie Bush and they were saying
Speaker 2: that they hadn't mowed the grass in a week. They
Speaker 2: wanted it thick. But you watch Buffalo and you think
Speaker 2: to yourself that weather now almost is the only thing
Speaker 2: that can beat like him playing in a blizzard if
Speaker 2: you put him in normal weather indoors. I mean, we
Speaker 2: are watching the Otani of the NFL. He's just different
Speaker 2: than everybody else.
Speaker 1: I always thought about this with the Packers. You know,
Speaker 1: over the far of Rogers, and I know their defense
Speaker 1: over the Rogers era let them down in some big games,
Speaker 1: but they had years with those two guys where it
Speaker 1: was like, if you put them in a controlled environment,
Speaker 1: you were not going to have a better quarterback on
Speaker 1: the field than that guy. But in freezing cold, I mean,
Speaker 1: the coldest places to play in the league, ironically, are
Speaker 1: it feels like I mean that with good teams, the
Speaker 1: Bears suck are Green Bay and Buffalo, who consistently and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and like the Chiefs have built themselves into
Speaker 1: a defensive team and a gritty team. The Packers they're
Speaker 1: about to play, but I mean they are built offensive weapons.
Speaker 1: Buffalo they want to play like the greatest show on turf.
Speaker 1: Look how comfortable they have been these last two weeks.
Speaker 1: It's just harder to do that in the Blizzard. But
Speaker 1: I think right now, you know, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Mahomes it looks like he's gonna be okay. But how
Speaker 1: would you not pick Buffalo in to represent the AFC.
Speaker 1: If this guy's going to play like this, as long
Speaker 1: as he's healthy, I would bet on him to win
Speaker 1: the AFC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Philadelphia and Buffalo feel like, if not safe,
Speaker 2: prohibitive favorites to play in the Super Bowl. You know,
Speaker 2: it's interesting. We have so many topics today, you know,
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. The Broncos now was the
Speaker 2: final thirty one to thirteen over the Colts. The Broncos
Speaker 2: thirty one thirteen, so Bo Nicks had yeah and also
Speaker 2: finished with three touchdowns. I got to tell you something.
Speaker 2: The Colts had a great game plan, dominated early twenty
Speaker 2: to seven lead. If Jonathan Taylor doesn't drop I never
Speaker 2: thought of Jonathan Taylor as a knucklehead, but the minute
Speaker 2: he did that, I just kind of put him in
Speaker 2: a different camp. I'm like, oh, oh, you're one of
Speaker 2: those guys like Okay, Jonathan Taylor, for the uninitiated, dropped
Speaker 2: a long touchdown run at the goal line and it's
Speaker 2: called back. But what I thought was really interesting today
Speaker 2: is the Bronco bo Knicks was overshooting his targets, really struggling.
Speaker 2: You know, they they both had time off, so we
Speaker 2: came in with a ton of energy and didn't use
Speaker 2: it to his advantage. But they go in at halftime
Speaker 2: and Anthony Richardson at one point was twelve for twenty nine,
Speaker 2: no touchdowns, two picks they made. That was classic coaching.
Speaker 2: They made adjustments at halftime, and the Colts offense dried
Speaker 2: up and bow Nicks, despite a horrible first half John
Speaker 2: he came, they didn't quit on him. They did not quit.
Speaker 2: That a huge return by Mims. They continue to let
Speaker 2: bow Nicks throw. And my two takeaways in this game
Speaker 2: is I'm not sure Anthony Richardson. I'm not sure he's
Speaker 2: a starting quarterback in the league. I just don't think
Speaker 2: he sees the field at all. And my second take
Speaker 2: is Sean Payton's the coach of the year. This team
Speaker 2: is gonna make the playoffs. And they're not only gonna
Speaker 2: make the playoffs, they now can win when they play poorly.
Speaker 2: They beat the Jets when they played poorly on the road,
Speaker 2: They played poorly for three quarters today. Or how surprised
Speaker 2: are you by it?
Speaker 1: Well? I thought at one point in time in the game,
Speaker 1: it felt like there were twenty five turnovers. They were
Speaker 1: throwing picks every other series, I think, I mean, how
Speaker 1: good is Benito that the pass rusher the Holy God against?
Speaker 1: And I thought that play was pretty symbolic. You know,
Speaker 1: the game's kind of on the line, and they have
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback and they got to run a
Speaker 1: crazy trick play. Why because the guy can't function? I mean,
Speaker 1: I really think Jonathan Taylor's lucky that his quarterback is
Speaker 1: such a disaster, because that story's gonna I would say,
Speaker 1: overtake his drop. He was that bad. He was atrocious.
Speaker 1: You can't function with him, Colin, I mean, he's you can't.
Speaker 1: You saw bow Dix, listen, he looked like a rookie
Speaker 1: early in that game. He got fooled on a pass.
Speaker 1: He threw another pass right to a linebacker. It was
Speaker 1: just your classic when Jonathan Taylor was running the ball
Speaker 1: in there, you just went, hey, this is one of
Speaker 1: your classic rookie games where he just has a complete dud.
Speaker 1: You lose, but it's not the end of the world.
Speaker 1: Cults are desperate, their seasons on the line. And then
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, I looked up and I
Speaker 1: was like, how did Denver have the ball? And then
Speaker 1: you look Denver realized what happened, and then Denver went Clift.
Speaker 2: Denver out scored in the twenty four to nothing after
Speaker 2: the Taylor fumble forced three turning rovers, including a pick six.
Speaker 2: And I think to your point is the Taylor fumble
Speaker 2: will get all the attention. But now think about this.
Speaker 2: We all know how good Shane Steikeen is. That goes
Speaker 2: without saying he made Jalen Hurts an MVP level quarterback.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts today looked alike that regularly with Shane Steikin.
Speaker 2: That's what he looked like all the time with Shane Steikeen.
Speaker 2: Now it's an outlier. Justin Herbert broke records, he made
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew last year, like one game from the playoffs.
Speaker 2: He couldn't do anything in the second half, like he
Speaker 2: has halfs. He can't do anything with Anthony Richardson. Bow
Speaker 2: Knicks can struggle, but John, they'll go into half, they'll
Speaker 2: come out and bo Nix is firing and accurate and
Speaker 2: moving like there's a big gap between those two.
Speaker 1: To me, bow Knicks has a rhythm and a feel
Speaker 1: to his game and can function from within the pocket.
Speaker 1: Now he's still got to get better. He's a rookie.
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson can has no feel, cannot function, has no touch.
Speaker 1: I mean he threw a pick today on like a
Speaker 1: lollipop throw. It was like what it looks like a
Speaker 1: junior high pass. Yeah, and obviously, and I think these
Speaker 1: are the worst type players are the ones that are
Speaker 1: truly physically gifted, because it's like, ah, if we could
Speaker 1: just I think you could just go, this is never
Speaker 1: gonna work. I mean the likelihood. We have seen the
Speaker 1: occasional guys improve on accuracy. You know, Josh Allen is
Speaker 1: a great example. Lamar. Clearly, Anthony Richardson feels like he
Speaker 1: regresses or not even he's just bad. He just when
Speaker 1: it comes to throwing from within the pocket, you cannot
Speaker 1: function in the modern day NFL with a quarterback like that.
Speaker 1: And why Denver was in such trouble before he dropped
Speaker 1: the ball. It's like they're gonna get two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty yards on the ground between Anthony Richdon and Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: That's the only way they can beat you. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: then they got the lead and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson had to pass and it was like, Ah,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna work. And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: coachable at this point. Yeah, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: clear he has touch feel issues that you just can't overcome. Listen,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is never gonna be Peyton Manning or Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers from the pocket right or Drew Brees or a
Speaker 1: true pocket quarterback. But you go back to Oklahoma and Alabama,
Speaker 1: there is a feel to play quarterback. There are things
Speaker 1: he does pretty well, even Anthony Richardson on the move.
Speaker 1: Like one thing Jalen does a great job of is
Speaker 1: when he scrambles, keeps his eyes and can make a
Speaker 1: very accurate pass. You watch Anthiy Richardson scrambles and he'll
Speaker 1: throw these two and are mile an hour fastballs that
Speaker 1: will skip by the wide receiver's feet, who's kind of
Speaker 1: open running back to the sideline. You're like, I just
Speaker 1: don't think he can get his body to do touch passes.
Speaker 1: And I think it's very, very difficult for a guy.
Speaker 1: And listen, we've seen this in baseball for a long time.
Speaker 1: Guys that only throw one hundred and got nothing else
Speaker 1: and they can't throw a strike. Usually all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the light doesn't switch or you know, the switch doesn't
Speaker 1: light up and go boom, Okay, I'm accurate now, or
Speaker 1: I can throw a bunch of strikes. It feels I
Speaker 1: don't listen, I'm no expert on mechanics with throwing, but
Speaker 1: there is some twitch muscle in his shoulder that doesn't
Speaker 1: allow him jalen some of these Kyler Murray, I watched
Speaker 1: him when he scrambles, he can do, you know, touch
Speaker 1: lollipop passes. Anthony Richardson is just throwing as hard as
Speaker 1: humanly possible. He would have way more picks if he
Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball so hard.
Speaker 2: The you know, I look at all these games because
Speaker 2: I want to talk about brock Purty, Belichick and the
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy with you but I will say I'll just
Speaker 2: throw this out there, Bucks forty Chargers seventeen six straight
Speaker 2: defensive stops. Todd Bowles in that defense against Herbert, the
Speaker 2: number one defense in the league, gave up forty. Mike
Speaker 2: Evans was a problem for the Chargers. And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you there's clearly an upper crust right now in the league.
Speaker 2: Kansas City, I think Baltimore, Buffalo, I think Detroit, maybe
Speaker 2: Green Bay. By the time we're doing this, if they
Speaker 2: win tonight in Seattle, I think they will. I think
Speaker 2: they're a better team, but don't trust me. And I
Speaker 2: think Philadelphia. Then there's a second level of teams, and
Speaker 2: I think we put Pittsburgh in there, maybe a Houston
Speaker 2: maybe for whatever reasons, we don't want to put Tampa
Speaker 2: in there. But they kicked the shit out of the
Speaker 2: Chargers today. I mean that they Chargers couldn't run on them.
Speaker 2: Herbert was constantly under duress. Meanwhile, Baker Mayfield had time
Speaker 2: to throw. Their receivers were beating the secondary for the Chargers.
Speaker 2: I thought it was I didn't By the second half,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know what the Chargers offensive plan was.
Speaker 2: Between Jason Light's roster, the GM and Baker Mayfield. He
Speaker 2: and Darnold. And by the way, Baker can still throw
Speaker 2: really bad picks. He's got him within his game. But
Speaker 2: I was watching that today and you can't run on Tampa.
Speaker 2: Can't run on him. Vida v in the middle, can't
Speaker 2: run on him. Todd Bowles has always been an excellent
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. I'm sitting watching it and I'm like, they're
Speaker 2: going to beat somebody in the playoffs. You better be
Speaker 2: careful that team. I mean, that's the kind of team
Speaker 2: that could go to Philadelphia. Is a nine point dog.
Speaker 2: Saque couldn't run the Weather's and you end up with
Speaker 2: a twenty one to twenty football game.
Speaker 1: To me, well, they got a couple of things going
Speaker 1: for him. One, they got high end offensive players. I mean,
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving is really good. The running back. Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: has played in multiple playoff games now and won them. Right,
Speaker 1: go back to twenty twenty against the Steelers, you know,
Speaker 1: last year against the Eagles. So he's comfortable. He's a
Speaker 1: bright lights guy, and I'm with you. Early on in
Speaker 1: that game he throws that pick, You're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: Mentor Charger defense gonna be tough. And then he settled down.
Speaker 1: The different The gap between the offensive skill guys on
Speaker 1: this team or you know, between the two teams was
Speaker 1: pretty evident. Is JK. Dobbins Walter Payton or something? How
Speaker 1: can they lose him and not function in the run
Speaker 1: game without the guy? I don't get it. I like JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins as much as the next guy. Seems like an
Speaker 1: impressive guy and good player. But a hardball team has
Speaker 1: especially this one with their offensive skill, has no chance
Speaker 1: against an average, a non playoff team running the ball
Speaker 1: for thirty two yards. Looking right now, they had a
Speaker 1: lean rushes for thirty two yards. Jim Harbaugh, if you
Speaker 1: go back since he's been coached at San Diego, that
Speaker 1: is a recipe to lose. Now, obviously they got back
Speaker 1: or they got behind, so they had to try to
Speaker 1: get back into the game and throw the ball. But
Speaker 1: then they're not built to do that. What he's done
Speaker 1: with Quentin Johnson, to me is pretty commendable. The guy
Speaker 1: has eight touchdowns. I mean, last year we're talking about
Speaker 1: the guy's a complete bus and actually he's kind of
Speaker 1: a functional player. But you know it's basically him and McConkey.
Speaker 1: You're not coming back on Mike Evans, who was going
Speaker 1: straight to the Hall of Fame. Yatton is a good player, right,
Speaker 1: and McMillan had a big game today. I mean they
Speaker 1: just once they lost Godwin, you went, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and Evans had hurt the Hammy Evans came back, shows
Speaker 1: no signs of that hamstring, and other guys have stepped up.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that at the end of the
Speaker 1: Brady era, remember it was like they're historically shitty running team.
Speaker 1: And then a couple of years later they got Bucky
Speaker 1: Irving and he's now the starter and he just he
Speaker 1: has big plays every game. And the Baker the momentum.
Speaker 1: Remember when Dorsey drafted Baker, a lot of it was
Speaker 1: on like the bravado and cocky. Yes, you can't have
Speaker 1: that in the NFL when you're not playing well, but
Speaker 1: I would say for the last two years in Tampa,
Speaker 1: his energy is pretty palpable to them and you feel
Speaker 1: it when they get rolling and they're best player. Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: they clearly have a pretty InCor. For as shitty as
Speaker 1: the rapport was with him and OBJ back in the day,
Speaker 1: theirs is high level and it showed the day. I
Speaker 1: mean it was the Charges had no answer. And here's
Speaker 1: the other thing. Obviously, the Charges can't run the ball.
Speaker 1: If their defense isn't covering people that they're in major
Speaker 1: that's their formula. They can't win any other way.
Speaker 2: So the Bucks have won four straight. In each game,
Speaker 2: they've had four hundred plus yards and one hundred fifty
Speaker 2: plus rushing yards. So it's White, it's Bucky Irving, it's
Speaker 2: Baker playing with a ton of confidence. And they also
Speaker 2: have they had like an unsportsman like conduct. They're chirpye
Speaker 2: like they're they're they're the worst kind of underdog to
Speaker 2: play because they think they're better than you, even.
Speaker 1: Though they're not.
Speaker 2: But they're like a relent like they're like they're like
Speaker 2: a that's like forty and twenty eight with a good punch.
Speaker 2: Like they're not they're not refined, they're not terribly polished,
Speaker 2: but they play like they think they're the best team
Speaker 2: in the league. And I don't know, I can see
Speaker 2: I could see them absolutely going and beating a Detroit
Speaker 2: I really could. I think they First of all, they
Speaker 2: just as you said, their skill players are really good.
Speaker 2: They're really good. And today they gave Baker time to
Speaker 2: throw and you know, a couple of times the Baker
Speaker 2: went out and moved. You know, we always knew in
Speaker 2: that class that Darnold was a little bit better athlete
Speaker 2: than Baker. But Baker remember years ago in Cleveland when
Speaker 2: he screwed his shoulder up and I felt for like
Speaker 2: a year and a half he wasn't right. It just
Speaker 2: it felt like he was just always playing hurt. He's
Speaker 2: healthy now and he's you know, he's he's worked hard
Speaker 2: at it. He's pretty athletic. He can get up and
Speaker 2: move well.
Speaker 1: He's you know, you thought Jared Goff today, when you
Speaker 1: hit Jared Goff, he's much more like Cousins. He's not
Speaker 1: going to run around. I know he had a running
Speaker 1: first down, but he you hit him, it can throw
Speaker 1: him off. Baker much more like a lot of these
Speaker 1: athletic guys in the league. He's some hybrid version of
Speaker 1: a pocket quarterback, but he definitely has lost weight and
Speaker 1: he can move. I assumed, like I like the Chargers today.
Speaker 1: I thought the Chargers would win at home against the
Speaker 1: Bucks and and the Atlanta plays the Raiders tomorrow, so
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they'd be tied and Atlantas beat
Speaker 1: him twice, I'm like, you know, listen, the Bucks are
Speaker 1: having a commendable season. They are in the driver's seat
Speaker 1: right now, Colin, because they end with the Panthers and
Speaker 1: the Saints. Now the Cowboys are playing pretty well, that's
Speaker 1: a Sunday Night game next week. But I like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like the Bucks in that spot. They easily could
Speaker 1: win out and then Atlanta doesn't control their own destiny.
Speaker 1: If I would have told you at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season that Atlanta, after all the hoopla ive given
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollars of basically laughing Belichick out and
Speaker 1: going with Rahem Morris missed the playoffs, I mean because
Speaker 1: that's there. They're only getting one team in. And the
Speaker 1: Bucks be a huge muscle flex for Baker, for Jason Light,
Speaker 1: for because when you talk about the chippiness, like I
Speaker 1: worked with Todd in Philip, if Todd doesn't say anything,
Speaker 1: it starts with Baker. Baker gives them that mentality, and honestly,
Speaker 1: Jason Light has a little bit of that too. He
Speaker 1: likes those type players. And they didn't have Winfield today.
Speaker 1: So I think the Bucks, I'm with you that they
Speaker 1: would be a date because they get a home game.
Speaker 1: The thing, you win the division, even if you host
Speaker 1: the Lions or Minnesota. If you're the four to five,
Speaker 1: we've seen them before in that spot, win that game, right,
Speaker 1: host that game and win it.
Speaker 2: So right now Chiefs the number one seed, Bill second, Steelers, third,
Speaker 2: Texans four, Broncos for Ravens four. They're all tied, and
Speaker 2: then the Chargers seventh. So because the Dolphins lost, it's
Speaker 2: still a two game lead for the Chargers over the
Speaker 2: final playoff spot and the Dodgers and the Chargers. So
Speaker 2: in the NFC as of right now.
Speaker 1: The Dolls, I think the Dolphins stink. I mean the Dolphins, ye,
Speaker 1: dink and dunk to a.
Speaker 2: It's the Eagles and Lions tied for the number one
Speaker 2: one seed, Vikings three, Packers four they're playing tonight, Commanders five,
Speaker 2: Seahawks six, Buccaneers seven, Rams are right up against it.
Speaker 2: So you know the Rams Buccaneers. I think the Rams
Speaker 2: right now are better than the Buccaneers, but I don't
Speaker 2: think it's by a lot. I think it's all take
Speaker 2: McVeigh and Stafford over Bulls and Baker. But that run game,
Speaker 2: Kyra and Williams in that run game, you'd have to
Speaker 2: win it through the air because you're not running against Tampa.
Speaker 2: If I said, right now, Rams, Tampa, who would you take.
Speaker 1: I'd probably take the Rams. Yeah, I would give a
Speaker 1: flight edge, I mean the coaching edge to McVeigh. I
Speaker 1: would listen Bakers having a great year, but I'm taking Stafford. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that game we'll see, because I think
Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance that the Rams in Seattle
Speaker 1: both get into the playoff. Whoever doesn't win the division
Speaker 1: is the seventh seed, and that's a tough seventh seed.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw last year, right it was Rams
Speaker 1: Detroit Round one, and the Rams easily could have won
Speaker 1: that thing in the wildcard game. I would say the
Speaker 1: same thing about Seattle depending on their matchup. Like if
Speaker 1: you told me Seattle was the seven. I think we
Speaker 1: talked about this, and let's say let's say Minnesota wins
Speaker 1: that division and the Eagles are the one in Minnesota's
Speaker 1: the two. Well, we like Seattle in a dome, right,
Speaker 1: I mean with their skill guys, So I I think this.
Speaker 1: I think the NFC Playoffs, which early is like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think it's gonna be pretty good. I
Speaker 1: think all these underdogs and wildcard teams. The road teams
Speaker 1: could win all these road games. It's gonna That's why
Speaker 1: getting that number one seed for Philly. It'd be pretty
Speaker 1: tough to go on the road to Philly. Right. So
Speaker 1: they're they're in the driver's seat now with Detroit, who
Speaker 1: still has tough games for men. They still play Minnesota.
Speaker 1: It's just hard to win these games when you have injuries.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing with you know, the Rams feel
Speaker 1: like they're getting healthy. I mean that that Rams game
Speaker 1: to win that game, it doesn't didn't show you though
Speaker 1: that first half. You know, these are two tough, physical
Speaker 1: teams pouring rain on the West Coast. They can't function right.
Speaker 1: You put that game in the am North or Buffalo
Speaker 1: or Green Bay, those teams is so comfortable. You get
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Niners that they can't do anything
Speaker 1: in the first half in just a fifty five degree rainstorm.
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this. So there was a
Speaker 2: story and it came out today. It's almost if San
Speaker 2: Francisco leaked it that brought purty. He's not going to
Speaker 2: take a Baker deal. He's not going to take a
Speaker 2: garn Old deal that he wants in the fifty five
Speaker 2: million range. So just to give you and the reason
Speaker 2: I say, did they leak it because he was off
Speaker 2: a really bad performance where again he struggled because it
Speaker 2: rained a little bit. He's got smaller hands. So against
Speaker 2: the Rams, zero touchdowns, one pick, against Buffalo, eleven completions,
Speaker 2: ninety four yards Green Bay, he was hurt. Kansas City
Speaker 2: he was awful, no touchdown, three picks, and the four
Speaker 2: big games this year he's been bad. And again he
Speaker 2: has he is. He can struggle with wet weather. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have big hands. But when I saw the story
Speaker 2: coming out and people say, well, you know he's beaten
Speaker 2: Dak three times, well that that doesn't mean anything. That
Speaker 2: Dallas made a bad deal with Dak, Cleveland made a
Speaker 2: bad deal with Deshaun Watson for other reasons. That doesn't
Speaker 2: mean San Francisco's beholden to follow them. But when I
Speaker 2: saw that story on brock Purty, might take was why
Speaker 2: did that story? Why is it coming out now? I
Speaker 2: could never pay brock pretty fifty five million. You're more
Speaker 2: comfortable with it, though, I.
Speaker 1: Think, uh, fifty five million. That's listen. My deal with
Speaker 1: brock Purty is this first and foremost, I think we've
Speaker 1: got to look at the way the Niners negotiate charl Williams,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest left tackles ever. They just had
Speaker 1: a staring contest with him til week one. Nick Bose
Speaker 1: is one of the better players they've had over the
Speaker 1: last twenty years. He did not have a contract till
Speaker 1: a couple days before, you know, the season started, so
Speaker 1: that they do not just hand out money to all
Speaker 1: time great talents. Brandon Ayuk who has been a high
Speaker 1: end winning player for them, and a legit, he's not
Speaker 1: a top ten wider set, but a really good player.
Speaker 1: They had a knockdown, drag out Deebo Samuel carried them
Speaker 1: to the playoffs in twenty twenty one. That was not
Speaker 1: an easy contract to do. So this guy, listen, His
Speaker 1: deep ball is a problem right now. Yeah, it's atrocious.
Speaker 1: And one thing that separated in that second half when
Speaker 1: the rains stopped. Stafford was good. He was not. Now
Speaker 1: he did. Deebo had the one drop, but he was
Speaker 1: I think I saw stat o of seven on balls
Speaker 1: down the field passed twenty yards and he's and the
Speaker 1: pick at the end. If you're going to pay a
Speaker 1: guy like Brock Purty. Right, his that Josh Allen play
Speaker 1: today where he scrambled, got hit late and throw it.
Speaker 1: He could never dream about doing that, so that's never
Speaker 1: gonna be his game. Well, Drew Brees couldn't dream of
Speaker 1: doing things Aaron Rodgers did, Steve Young couldn't dream of
Speaker 1: doing things John Elway did. So they had to be
Speaker 1: an elite and this term sounds like a turn off.
Speaker 1: These got are Hall of famers. Manage the game, never
Speaker 1: turned the ball over, make the great decisions. I could
Speaker 1: not have a guy who has limited physical skills that
Speaker 1: has a bad decision in the big games. The seasons
Speaker 1: on line right, and that decision to throw it to
Speaker 1: Juwan Jennyings the game ended. They never got the ball
Speaker 1: back and there was multiple checkdown options. And he has
Speaker 1: some moments in these bigger games where were like, ah,
Speaker 1: the decisions and listen. Obviously the leadership and he is
Speaker 1: a good player, But to me, it's I'm offering the
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones Baker deal or we're just not doing a
Speaker 1: deal when we're playing it out, because that's where it's
Speaker 1: at because once I give the fifty plus million, well
Speaker 1: then I'm paying you like Joshua Lamar and we already
Speaker 1: know no one argues, including his representation or his parents
Speaker 1: even Brock, You're not that guy, so I can't pay
Speaker 1: you that. And then look at the Stephen Joneses comments,
Speaker 1: we're all in on probably makes you happy because you
Speaker 1: want to trade Micah. We're all in on CD and Dek,
Speaker 1: so we'll see with Micah right, well, they're all in
Speaker 1: on deck if they could have that one over, Like
Speaker 1: was that the right move? And I think when you
Speaker 1: pay these guys that are somewhere between like seven and fifteen,
Speaker 1: it's got to be perfect. And when it's not perfect,
Speaker 1: they josh could carry you no matter what. Mahomes can
Speaker 1: be an awesome player when shit's hitting the fan. Lamar
Speaker 1: could play with me and you out there and make plays.
Speaker 1: Brock cannut, We know that much. And you just saw
Speaker 1: against the Rams where it's like all the shit's hitting
Speaker 1: the fan for both teams. One guy just rises above it.
Speaker 1: Why because he's an elite talent and he has been
Speaker 1: for twenty years? Why was the number one pick and
Speaker 1: the other guy who again I've supported, but I cannot
Speaker 1: support that that decision that the interception represents what one percent.
Speaker 1: He could never do because I got to have you
Speaker 1: be like, well, he's the smartest player in the league.
Speaker 1: He makes the best decisions. Wasn't that always a Drew
Speaker 1: Brees thing. Drew never tried to make passes like Aaron
Speaker 1: because he knew he couldn't. He didn't try to do
Speaker 1: that because he had to play within himself. And once
Speaker 1: I see that, it's like and sometimes perty this goes
Speaker 1: back to when he was coming out of college. People
Speaker 1: liked him because remember his junior y, he was really good.
Speaker 1: I always stated, I think won ten games. Then his
Speaker 1: senior year lost a couple guys Breese Hall, and the
Speaker 1: word was little bit reckless and a gun slinger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't be a gun slinger when you don't have
Speaker 1: a gun. Right if you have, you know you got
Speaker 1: more of a BB gun. That gets back to when
Speaker 1: people made fun of the Andy Daltons of the world.
Speaker 1: Their arms not big enough to play like that, so
Speaker 1: you got to kind of contain yourself. That's the type
Speaker 1: stuff that has to drive Kyle mad. But they're kind
Speaker 1: of stuck, like what else do they do? I looked
Speaker 1: at the draft order day there you know they're having
Speaker 1: this atrocious season, think of what like the Jets and
Speaker 1: the Giants and the Jags would do for their season.
Speaker 1: They're drafting right now, like fourteenth or fifteenth, you know,
Speaker 1: depending on how the tiebreakers go. They're not nearly high enough.
Speaker 1: So it's like, but would they entertain like Drew Aller
Speaker 1: or something, you know, I don't know. I'm having conversations
Speaker 1: about everything right now if.
Speaker 2: I'm them, Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's funny because
Speaker 2: Brock pretty who, by the way, is also getting a
Speaker 2: little bit of an injury bug, which considering good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, Josh Allen's banging into people left and right,
Speaker 2: and he's not dealing with injuries. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: I if Brock Curdy was in the last year of
Speaker 2: his contract, like like like like let's say it ran out,
Speaker 2: you know, in three or four weeks, I think they'd
Speaker 2: go get Donald again.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I think they'd make a run for Donald because they're
Speaker 2: familiar with him. He's an athlete, and you could get
Speaker 2: him for forty nobody's gonna pay Sam sixty. Helly, you
Speaker 2: franchise tag him. It's like forty forty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a hard time if I'm Brock's representation,
Speaker 1: and this is where the market got screwed up because
Speaker 1: guy like Trevor Lawrence, who hadn't done anything, got two
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Even what you want to say about Dak,
Speaker 1: like he has a ten year resume up until this
Speaker 1: year of winning a lot of games like he's been
Speaker 1: doing it. I think that I think the Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: thing kind of screws the forty nine ers because if
Speaker 1: I'd just be like, well, look at my numbers, look
Speaker 1: at my wins compared to this guy, right, even Trevor
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, it was atrocious before he got injured.
Speaker 1: But I know the Niners, and I know the way
Speaker 1: Parrague operates. Listen, it's John and Kyle, but their money guy.
Speaker 1: They do not just hand over money. Now, if you
Speaker 1: want to take team friendly deals, they do a lot
Speaker 1: of the early or at least they used to when
Speaker 1: the economics were a little lower, with the Willises and
Speaker 1: the Bowman's and the frank Rs. Those days get a
Speaker 1: little harder because these guys drive a hard bargain because
Speaker 1: the amount of money and the nine are stare at
Speaker 1: you right in the face, and they don't flinch till
Speaker 1: the last minute where it's Trent Bosa. Okay, but with
Speaker 1: the pretty thing like what's the goin is? Would he
Speaker 1: hold out? Would he hold out or do a hold in?
Speaker 1: I doubt it. And I also think you just give him.
Speaker 1: Here's three years, one hundred million dollars. We'll guarantee every penny,
Speaker 1: So like thirty million dollars a year, thirty two million dollars.
Speaker 1: What's he gonna do not sign it? Yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty good you know, relative to your
Speaker 1: skill set. I think it's a complicated thing because of
Speaker 1: the previous years, but I think this year has to
Speaker 1: bode pretty well for them. They've had big spots and
Speaker 1: he just he has made mistakes. You can go, well,
Speaker 1: the talent's not there. And I had a buddy in
Speaker 1: the league say, I think two weeks ago they were
Speaker 1: missing one hundred and ten million dollars against the Bills,
Speaker 1: and last week I calculated just between the three guys, Trent,
Speaker 1: CMC and IUK, it was like almost eighty million. But
Speaker 1: like that, Welcome to the NFL. A lot of guys
Speaker 1: get injured.
Speaker 2: We got anyways, Lamar Jackson entered the season with a
Speaker 2: rebuilt offensive line, and Derreck Henry was brand new. You
Speaker 2: just deal with it. I mean, like like last year,
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews was hurt all year, Say Flowers was a rookie,
Speaker 2: you just deal with it. This year, Lamar's got a
Speaker 2: terrible back end defense, He's got a brand new offensive line.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear excuses Josh Allen for years.
Speaker 2: This is one of the first years he's had a
Speaker 2: running back and two capable tight ends.
Speaker 1: I also think it would be on the table if
Speaker 1: you're Brock and they're just offering you something that you
Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones' contract will like, we're not budget, so
Speaker 1: it's either this or nothing. What if you just went Flaco?
Speaker 1: Because I say this about the Niners, like they're having
Speaker 1: an atrocious season with a million injuries and they're still
Speaker 1: gonna end up with seven or eight wins if they're
Speaker 1: a little healthier next year. They draft pretty well. They
Speaker 1: know the type guys they're looking for. What if you
Speaker 1: go next year, we'll win eleven or twelve and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're in the second or third
Speaker 1: round the playoffs, and then I have more bargaining power.
Speaker 1: I think that would be on the table as well.
Speaker 1: He is, you know whenever I'm home. Maybe their national
Speaker 1: commercials too. He's making a lot of money off the
Speaker 1: field being the quarterback for the Niners. So what you've
Speaker 1: always said about Dak like you can take a little less.
Speaker 1: You know how much money you make as the cowboy quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's like what Mahomes did. His contract's kind of fake.
Speaker 1: He did the Chiefs so solid, like because Patrick knw
Speaker 1: we'll keep winning and I am going to print money
Speaker 1: a little Brady style. Why is Brady so valuable because
Speaker 1: he has like seven championships. If Brady had won, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the same. Why is Mahomes gonna be talked
Speaker 1: about like he's Michael Jordan for the next fifty years
Speaker 1: because he's gonna have four or five championships when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done, right. So I do think Brock
Speaker 1: is pretty small. I could also see the agent though
Speaker 1: I mean this, I don't know who his representation is,
Speaker 1: but I would imagine it's not exactly Tom Condon coming
Speaker 1: out of the draft as the last pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: probably getting ready to cash in, and he's he's gonna
Speaker 1: deal with a pretty tough negotiator here in the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers. I'll promise you that.
Speaker 2: So I have said, I think Bill Belichick's gonna last
Speaker 2: one year in college and very interesting his contract. And
Speaker 2: you know the lawyers went after this big time. There's
Speaker 2: no way Carolina wanted to give this up. Bill can
Speaker 2: leave July first of next year. I mean he could
Speaker 2: leave before he coaches a game, a single game. Now
Speaker 2: he's not going to because nobody hires. So he can
Speaker 2: leave before he coaches a game. Nobody hires at that point.
Speaker 2: So that's not the point. The point is one and
Speaker 2: done is very possible. I think he's going to jettison
Speaker 2: college football. I think he's going to be aggravated this
Speaker 2: This staff he's building is a pro staff. They're going
Speaker 2: to rub people the wrong way in the building. It's
Speaker 2: going to be Charlie Weiss times ten, where Charlie just
Speaker 2: wore people out. Charlitie was a good enough coach, not
Speaker 2: a great recruiter, wore people out in the building. I
Speaker 2: don't think this Belichick group fits college. I think their
Speaker 2: personalities are kurt outspoken by pro standards. John it is rough,
Speaker 2: it's hard, it doesn't work in many pro in it's
Speaker 2: not going to work. In college, there was a story
Speaker 2: Diana Russini reported that he showed interest in the Jets,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, if Bill showed interest in the Jets,
Speaker 2: he hates what he Johnson that this to me if
Speaker 2: you look at his drafts. Like urban Meyer who told
Speaker 2: me years ago, I don't watch Sunday football. I'm preparing
Speaker 2: for the next week. Bill doesn't watch Saturday football, watch
Speaker 2: their drafts. He's and the minute he takes over the drafts,
Speaker 2: he doesn't know what he's doing. He's NFL guys don't
Speaker 2: watch a lot of Saturday. College guys don't watch Sunday.
Speaker 2: I don't know. And I saw that Jet story. What
Speaker 2: did you make of it?
Speaker 1: Well, my first reaction was I don't believe it. Because
Speaker 1: Bill it's been his arch nemesis. The hatred was palpable
Speaker 1: for the last twenty five years. He despised the Jets.
Speaker 1: Then he finally gets a microphone in front of him
Speaker 1: for the last six months, and he you know, he'd
Speaker 1: pick his spots when to be critical and name people.
Speaker 1: He never hesitated with Woody Johnson. The moment they hired
Speaker 1: Robert Saw, he put all his chips in the middle
Speaker 1: of the table, I would say, was as critical of
Speaker 1: him as anyone in the quote unquote media, especially like
Speaker 1: NFL type person. And he didn't talk like that about
Speaker 1: other people. So my reaction was, listen, I know, Mike
Speaker 1: Tannebaum and everyone reported that, you know, Woody didn't tell
Speaker 1: people this. Mike who's running the search, told people. And
Speaker 1: they've known each other since Cleveland. I I have a
Speaker 1: hard time seeing Bill beg the Jets, And that would
Speaker 1: be an easy one if you're Woody Johnson. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone keeps talking about people or Bill flipping the middle
Speaker 1: finger in the NFL flipping the middle finger to him,
Speaker 1: a bunch of fus going back and forth. This would
Speaker 1: be an easy one for Woody, Like, let's put out
Speaker 1: there that Bill was begging me for a job, because
Speaker 1: what's Bill gonna do leak something when he's in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like he's just off doing something else. Now,
Speaker 1: if it is true, which I mean very credible, people
Speaker 1: are reporting this pretty embarrassing for Bill, that he's begging
Speaker 1: the Jets for interest, I mean, and maybe he knows
Speaker 1: and that's obviously the contract. I remember Simmons used to
Speaker 1: write about like when celebrities would date and one celebrity
Speaker 1: would be way more famous than the other celebrity, it
Speaker 1: would be hard to maintain that relationship, but it would
Speaker 1: usually end badly. When they're both Demi Moore and Bruce
Speaker 1: Willis right, two famous people, they could work well. This
Speaker 1: is Belichick's fame and his football aura is in a
Speaker 1: different planet than UNC football, so he could take advantage
Speaker 1: of them in a negotiation that never happens at that level.
Speaker 1: No one would sign a five year contract new football
Speaker 1: coach and put that in. But also if he's if
Speaker 1: it is true began Woody Johnson for the Jets job,
Speaker 1: is he gonna have that many more options in a year? Like?
Speaker 1: What would he have to do if his stock is
Speaker 1: low right now? Would he have to go ten and
Speaker 1: two in year one? Like? Could he just go six
Speaker 1: and six and people would think highly of them? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I actually kind of believe he
Speaker 1: just might be stuck there and he's just all in
Speaker 1: because the one thing people well, I remember being I
Speaker 1: think in college and reading the Halbertstam book, and he's
Speaker 1: he can get sentimental only about his father. I think
Speaker 1: the dad thing means something to him and his dad
Speaker 1: having coaching there. He brought out that sweatshirt that he
Speaker 1: had from UNC when he was there. So I just
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna be potential options. And I just
Speaker 1: think he might just be stuck there. But you're right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that was a pretty glaring like that's
Speaker 1: not getting put in any of these contracts.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that he can leave before he
Speaker 2: coaches the game is wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, but don't you take the ten million dollar
Speaker 1: buyout even to start is relatively low. They can't fire
Speaker 1: these guys five years in that their buyouts are fifty million.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just I think, I mean, Urban Meyer just
Speaker 2: didn't fit pro football. I don't think Bill's personality. I
Speaker 2: don't think it fits college. He was introduced at a
Speaker 2: basketball game and it just looked so odd. It was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this does And by the way, I've called multiple people
Speaker 2: that you know, no Bill, and they just can't. They
Speaker 2: just can't wrap their brain around it. So I'm I
Speaker 2: can root for something I can simultaneously hope he does well.
Speaker 2: I want to watch the games, but think it could
Speaker 2: be a mess. It won't be It's not like they'll
Speaker 2: win four games the ACC is bad, their schedules embarrassing.
Speaker 1: They get.
Speaker 2: The toughest game they play is Clemson. I mean they
Speaker 2: get it's a bunch of wake Forest. I mean those
Speaker 2: are the tough ones. Syracuse it is Duke it's bad.
Speaker 2: And North Carolinas always had pretty good players.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just when I saw the Jet story, I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this. So Ashton Genty finished
Speaker 2: the second to Travis Hunter in the Heisman. Now that's
Speaker 2: what I would have voted. I think when you have
Speaker 2: a historically unique player like Travis Hunter who played against
Speaker 2: much better competition. And my take on college football in
Speaker 2: the NFL, it doesn't really matter who you play. If
Speaker 2: you win, you're division, you're in. If you qualify for
Speaker 2: the playoffs, you're in. It does matter in college That's
Speaker 2: why there's four Big Ten teams in the playoffs, three
Speaker 2: SEC teams in the playoff, and two ACC teams in
Speaker 2: the playoff because the ACC is weaker. So it does
Speaker 2: matter who you play in college. And Ashton Genty had
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy yards and six t d's against
Speaker 2: Georgia Southern. Now he was good against Utah State one
Speaker 2: hundred eighty six yards. He was very good against San
Speaker 2: Jose State and Wyoming and Hawaii and UNLV. Hell, he
Speaker 2: got three touchdowns against Oregon. I'm not denying any of that.
Speaker 2: He who had two hundred and nine yards against Nevada,
Speaker 2: But it is it is hard for me with about
Speaker 2: eighty percent, because I consider Oregon and UNLV a couple
Speaker 2: of times pretty solid teams. But it is hard for
Speaker 2: me in college. Hell, you could probably go every third
Speaker 2: year and find somebody at Holy Cross, you know who
Speaker 2: dialed up big numbers. I do think your schedule matters.
Speaker 2: I've said this about college football. If your road games,
Speaker 2: what is your road attendance? If the average road attendance
Speaker 2: you face is like thirty three thousand, it's different than
Speaker 2: playing in Camp Randall and the Shoe and Michigan and Otson.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't bothered by it. Travis Hunter played against
Speaker 2: better players. Did it bother you that this kid that's
Speaker 2: going to go in the first round finished second?
Speaker 1: No? I mean I would have voted listen. I got
Speaker 1: my start out of college in the Whack, which at
Speaker 1: the time was Boise State. Now that turned into the
Speaker 1: Mountain West. It is not the same and at President State,
Speaker 1: Pat Hill always would hang his hat on. Our three
Speaker 1: non conference games were against power five, big time opponents.
Speaker 1: It's a different world than playing New Mexico and San
Speaker 1: Diego State, and listen he is. I would say he
Speaker 1: is a universal favorite of amongst the NFL scouted community.
Speaker 1: Genty honestly is only not because he's like five eighth.
Speaker 1: If he was six feet tall or five to eleven,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a lock top ten pick. I
Speaker 1: do think he's gonna be a fascinating draft prospect because
Speaker 1: his tape is like I mean, it's about as unique
Speaker 1: and dominant as you'll see. But he's small. I mean,
Speaker 1: you see a five eight running back going in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen. That's hard. But I think he'll end up
Speaker 1: going in the first round. I think Travis Hunter. I
Speaker 1: bet there are a lot of players, let's just pick
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, either wide receivers or corners, that
Speaker 1: if they had played the opposite position. You know, if
Speaker 1: they're a wide receiver and they had played corner or
Speaker 1: corner and played wide receiver, that they could have been
Speaker 1: elite and been a first round pick, and they were
Speaker 1: first round pick at the position they played. But we
Speaker 1: have never seen a guy literally play them both since
Speaker 1: like the leather helmet days and be universally accepted. He's
Speaker 1: the number one corner. He might not be the number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver, but he's a lock if he was
Speaker 1: only a wide receiver to go in the top ten
Speaker 1: or twelve. I mean it's in every single game, and
Speaker 1: you're watching as the season went on that this can't,
Speaker 1: he can't, and then he just would. And it's just
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten snaps, one hundred and five snaps,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twelve snaps and in the big twelve
Speaker 1: playing corner, which to me is harder than wide receiver
Speaker 1: to be good at because to be that's a passing conference.
Speaker 1: So he's run around to be able to play wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and he dominated at I also thought one he sounded
Speaker 1: like just a great guy and he feels like an
Speaker 1: easy person to root for. What if you're Colorado and
Speaker 1: you pulled the trigger on hiring Deon Sanders. I know
Speaker 1: year one was a disaster, but in terms of the
Speaker 1: popularity it brought you, it was a win. To be
Speaker 1: year two have your first Heisman since the running back
Speaker 1: in ninety four, to go nine and three to have
Speaker 1: this guy and Shadoor, which are gonna be top five picks.
Speaker 1: I just don't think it gets any better. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's an all time turnaround at a program that ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the coaches that would have gone there would
Speaker 1: I mean, best case this year would have been like
Speaker 1: six and six and there would be no top ten picks.
Speaker 1: The guy won a Heisman and you hear the way.
Speaker 1: And part of this is why Dion, It's also why
Speaker 1: I think Bill will be fine in recruiting, is because
Speaker 1: I think what really, you know, Deon's Dion acts like
Speaker 1: Dion since I was a kid he was playing. He
Speaker 1: just acts the same. Now he's just a coach like Bill,
Speaker 1: just be yourself, you know. I think that's why Brian
Speaker 1: Kelly takes some shit. He kind of acts like he
Speaker 1: kind of faking. It's like being a politician like Saban
Speaker 1: just felt like Saban, right, Kirby just feels like they
Speaker 1: just they're very comfortable in their own skin. Even Chip.
Speaker 1: You know, Chip's kind of honoree. He's not gonna kiss
Speaker 1: your right. But that's how he's been for fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 1: And I think Dion, it's remarkable what they accomplished. It
Speaker 1: really is now. I checked recruiting rankings before. They're not
Speaker 1: very high for this next year. But Dion's not big
Speaker 1: on the high school kids, that's big on the portal,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to totally judge him that way. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really cool moment for just
Speaker 1: when are we ever gonna see this again? Coln He
Speaker 1: starts at two positions corner non quarterbacks, one of the
Speaker 1: harder positions to play, and he's that's where everyone in
Speaker 1: the NFL is begging him to play.
Speaker 2: Please play corner, right, Yeah, I think he'll be a
Speaker 2: better corner than an offensive player in the NFL. He's
Speaker 2: a hundred and eighty five eighty eight pounds, he'll probably
Speaker 2: be a corner because timing is such an essential part
Speaker 2: of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. It's hard for
Speaker 2: me to see an elite quarterback saying, yeah, okay, kid,
Speaker 2: you'll just be here for half the practice. I don't
Speaker 2: that's just not the Brady's, the Rogers, the Staffords. Like golfs,
Speaker 2: they want you in on every snap, like the idea
Speaker 2: that you're going to be on the other side. But
Speaker 2: I do think if he goes to a really bad team.
Speaker 2: My guess is the Giants have the number one.
Speaker 1: He's going to a bad team because it's going to
Speaker 1: be he might be the first overall pick.
Speaker 2: Call well, I think yeah, I mean the Giants. I
Speaker 2: would say it would take Shador Sanders. Vegas could take
Speaker 2: cam Ward, maybe Travis Hunter, you know, maybe again. I
Speaker 2: could see Vegas going for Sam Darnold and saying we'll
Speaker 2: take Travis Hunter number two. I could absolutely see that
Speaker 2: because not te LESCo and cam Ward's interesting, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the personality fit he wants because
Speaker 2: cam is edgy and Tom's not into that. But so
Speaker 2: my take though, he's probably again for a bad team,
Speaker 2: play both ways, but I might I think he'll end
Speaker 2: up settling as a corner. Am I wrong?
Speaker 1: Well that's what everyone's pushing him to play. But when
Speaker 1: you look at the contracts, it pays to be a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Column that's what That's what I wonder about.
Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon, I you caught seventy five balls and
Speaker 1: he got seventy five million and thirty a year, So
Speaker 1: it's it's uh, and if you're good now, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, but those
Speaker 1: guys get Nick Bosa money, so financially now, I do
Speaker 1: think we're going to see You know, everyone thought that
Speaker 1: Sas Gardner was the greatest thing since Darrell Reeves and
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman. Well, actually the better player is Derek Stingley,
Speaker 1: and he's going to be up for a new contract,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, and even Sauce, if they
Speaker 1: get a new coach and he gets back to playing
Speaker 1: good football, you're talking eighty nine. I think their numbers
Speaker 1: will get much higher. With some of these younger Patrick's
Speaker 1: retain higher numbers at corner that will continue to rise.
Speaker 1: But the NFL wants them to play that because it's
Speaker 1: much easier to find a wide receiver. I can find
Speaker 1: a guy in the third or fourth round who can
Speaker 1: catch me eighty balls. It's Sauce, Gardner and Derek Stingley.
Speaker 1: We're top five picks, you know, to get the high
Speaker 1: end guy like Richard Sherman's an all time outlier, a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level player that you find in the
Speaker 1: fifth round like that doesn't happen very often a corner.
Speaker 1: Most guys are drafted high at that position, but like,
Speaker 1: what if he wants to play both ways? But my
Speaker 1: theory on that is, I do think physically it's very
Speaker 1: hard to play corner against every team as good a
Speaker 1: receivers now, so we said it was hard in college
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL to do it. It'd be
Speaker 1: hard to you know, maintain your health doing both, I
Speaker 1: think at the NFL level. And two, if you're a team,
Speaker 1: if you're my starting corner, one of my starting wide receivers,
Speaker 1: if you get injured, I lose two spots. Right, So
Speaker 1: it's kind of a weird spot to be in, right.
Speaker 1: It's why I thought one day, well, if you could
Speaker 1: pay him, could he just shatter records and get this
Speaker 1: unique contract because he's like show. Well, let's say in
Speaker 1: five years he's actually does both and I give him
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars. Well, then he breaks
Speaker 1: his leg. I just lost my best wide receiver in
Speaker 1: my best corner. If Stingley gets hurt, I don't also
Speaker 1: lose Nico Collins, right, So it becomes a little there's listen,
Speaker 1: Dion was an awesome player to watch as a kid.
Speaker 1: They let Dion play some wide receiver to just make
Speaker 1: him happy. But he wasn't just running out every play
Speaker 1: with Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice right this dominated corner,
Speaker 1: which I think everyone's going to push him to be.
Speaker 1: But you know, agents and money people go, well, look
Speaker 1: at these wide receivers, how much money they're making. So
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's going to be a little you know,
Speaker 1: tug of war on the business side. Also the Shador thing.
Speaker 1: Could you Chadoor in the in prime and the Marra family?
Speaker 1: Sign me up for that because you talk about it,
Speaker 1: talk about a team that needs some life. You talk
Speaker 1: about a lifeless franchise right now.
Speaker 2: I text Ian O'Connor, very respected New York columnist today,
Speaker 2: and I said, are they going to keep Brian day bullies?
Speaker 2: He's safe and his tech to me, without getting into everything,
Speaker 2: he said was they would like to. But you've got
Speaker 2: planes flying overhead. They're getting blown out. I mean the Jets,
Speaker 2: to their credit, they're playing their ass off today. I
Speaker 2: mean Aaron the last time weeks they are. But let
Speaker 2: me just give Aaron some credit here, because I know
Speaker 2: everybody thinks I pick on just to give Aaron some credit.
Speaker 2: Let's see here we go, Aaron Rodgers. If you go
Speaker 2: look at his last Aaron in his last seven games
Speaker 2: has thirteen touchdowns of pick and one hundred passer rating.
Speaker 2: So the DeVante thing, if you watch today, they've got
Speaker 2: a real relationship. Now it takes time. So Aaron and
Speaker 2: Davante are cooking. I like their personnel. It's you know,
Speaker 2: I said last week on FS one, I kind of
Speaker 2: thought the Giants had a brighter future. But it looks
Speaker 2: like to me, the New York Giants have quit on
Speaker 2: Brian Dable.
Speaker 1: I would agree. I thought that game was unworld I mean,
Speaker 1: the the Raven watch, it was a practice, it was
Speaker 1: a joke. Say this about the Jets that they threw
Speaker 1: up a stat you know down the stretch of the game.
Speaker 1: I think they were. They were. They've lost five games
Speaker 1: with fourth quarter leads, and coming in today they were
Speaker 1: zero to seven in games decided by less than a touchdown,
Speaker 1: So they have been in a lot of these games.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think I think people could make the
Speaker 1: argument is listen, they were never going to take out
Speaker 1: the Bills to win the East, but this season could
Speaker 1: easily be closer to five hundred if a couple of
Speaker 1: things go right for him now today, because part of
Speaker 1: it right, remember their schedule started hard and it got
Speaker 1: easier at the end, and they they.
Speaker 2: Won and had four hundred yards of offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Aaron was good today. Like if they got
Speaker 1: that Aaron. Now again, they're playing the Jags, who have
Speaker 1: an awful defense from just a bad team. But if
Speaker 1: he played like that, they would be okay. And like
Speaker 1: you said, DeVante, even Lazard, they had to play that.
Speaker 1: He dropped a ball, Aaron was putting it. One thing
Speaker 1: I had been critical on Aaron's like, God, is he
Speaker 1: lost his his Just it'sure accuracy that made him such
Speaker 1: a special player. Today he was hitting guys in the
Speaker 1: hands constantly and he wasn't missing the layup place. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I it'll be fascinating to see what happens there.
Speaker 1: They got a lot of cooks in the kitchen. You
Speaker 1: tannebomb running this search. You know, I think John Mora,
Speaker 1: I think he's just hesitant to just keep firing people
Speaker 1: over and over. But like, what are you supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Like this ain't working out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Macado and Shermer and Sludge or not Sol excuse me,
Speaker 2: Jojo Machado, Judge Shermer, Solis Jets. Yeah, Aaron went sixteen
Speaker 2: to thirty two hundred and ninety yards three touchdowns. He
Speaker 2: also ran six times and average seven and a half
Speaker 2: yards a run. So whereas Kirk Cousins off of surgery
Speaker 2: and forty has I mean, it's gone off the cliff
Speaker 2: Aaron's actually, I think last week in a losing cause.
Speaker 2: Last two weeks I've watched there and I thought he's
Speaker 2: been really good.
Speaker 1: I would agree. I mean, he's been way better than
Speaker 1: he was early in the season, which is kind of
Speaker 1: I would get. I guess if you're a Jets fan
Speaker 1: or just someone that like he might be on the
Speaker 1: team somewhat optimistic, you would think it would go the
Speaker 1: other way. Older player forty forty one years old would
Speaker 1: fall for Cliff as the season went on. He's actually
Speaker 1: still has a lot of energy. Kind of hit me
Speaker 1: today watching those two teams, because at one point time
Speaker 1: it looked like the Jets were gonna lose. I mean,
Speaker 1: Devanta had like two hundred yards today. Is is it
Speaker 1: kind of crazy that the NFL is hitting all time
Speaker 1: popularity with the Jets and the Giants really for the
Speaker 1: last decade plus being just atrocious football teams.
Speaker 2: I've said this recently. The most successful teams in this
Speaker 2: league are Kansas City, Green Bay, Baltimore, Buffalo. Those are
Speaker 2: your franchises. The New York teams are a mess. Chicago's
Speaker 2: a mess. Until this year, DC fifth, sixth biggest city
Speaker 2: in the country, was a mess. A high profile team
Speaker 2: like Pittsburgh, not a Super Bowl contender like you start
Speaker 2: looking around, Dallas, the biggest brand in the league. Really
Speaker 2: regressing quickly. It is remarkable. In the NBA, you've got
Speaker 2: you know, New York's viable. I mean, the Warriors are
Speaker 2: still viable. The Lakers won in the bubble several years ago.
Speaker 2: I mean, Dallas is good. That's a big market team.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia is good, Austin's good. Those are big market cities.
Speaker 2: Houston another big market interesting. Hawks playing well in Atlanta
Speaker 2: and their ratings are no circling the drain. The NFL's
Speaker 2: biggest markets are a mess, and on a lot of
Speaker 2: instances they're unwatchable. And it just shows the power of
Speaker 2: the NFL. I think there's a lot of reasons the
Speaker 2: NFL is king. It's relatable, we watch it, we bet it.
Speaker 2: It's built for television. There's one game a week. As
Speaker 2: society gets wider and more distracting. It's one game a week.
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge part of it. But college
Speaker 2: football ratings are up, and women's basketball ratings are up,
Speaker 2: and March Madness was up. The NBA continues to just
Speaker 2: not I think the load management, I think the aesthetics.
Speaker 2: Everybody's shooting for threes, and I think they have their
Speaker 2: best players in the wrong markets. But I don't know
Speaker 2: if a league is bulletproof. But I mean, I sit
Speaker 2: around and I can't wait for Sundays. I mean, the
Speaker 2: early window today was pretty awful. It was it was
Speaker 2: it was the worst early window of the season. But
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait for the afternoon. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the power of the sport. It just it just makes
Speaker 2: me think about it before the day starts.
Speaker 1: I also think this the explosion of college football, the NIL,
Speaker 1: the transfer portal, now the playoffs. You're just watching the
Speaker 1: incoming talent, so you just get to basically fans get
Speaker 1: to scout. It's pretty clear all the best teams have
Speaker 1: the best players. That's why I actually think Belichick is
Speaker 1: gonna be I mean, how many big time games I
Speaker 1: would imagine over the next couple of weeks they got
Speaker 1: money to spend gonna land some transfer portal guys. I
Speaker 1: just saw they kept the best recruit they had in
Speaker 1: the class was a quarterback. They kept them like if
Speaker 1: they are interesting next year. That just bleeds into the
Speaker 1: NFL because it's all kind of layered now. I feel
Speaker 1: like it starts on Saturday. I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: It was nice actually to take a deep breath. It's
Speaker 1: been a long season. But I did also miss, like
Speaker 1: you know it, with a lot of respect for the
Speaker 1: Army Navy guys. I love the over in that game.
Speaker 1: What those two team's been scoring a lot of points.
Speaker 1: But I missed just the SEC game or Ohio State
Speaker 1: or Michigan. There just wasn't anything. It was weird. It
Speaker 1: was a weird feeling yesterday without it.
Speaker 2: You know, it really was John Middlecoff, former NFL scout
Speaker 2: three and out. We do our hour to hour fifteen.
Speaker 2: We do it every Sunday. I'm gonna go. When I
Speaker 2: watch the Packers, I'm crossing my fingers. I have them
Speaker 2: minus two and a half. I do not remember having
Speaker 2: an zero for four early day. And not only did
Speaker 2: I go oh for four, all of my teams got run.
Speaker 2: I mean I was on the Rock. I almost picked
Speaker 2: Denver to win and cover. I got talked out of it.
Speaker 2: Shame on me, but I've had better weeks.
Speaker 1: I dare you to pick the Raiders tomorrow on television.
Speaker 1: I kind of like them. They're bound to take someone
Speaker 1: out down the stretch, a weird game and falcons. I'm
Speaker 1: right I'd be taken out.
Speaker 2: I thought that about Cleveland today and boy was I wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See Car the Volume