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Speaker 1: Sorry. I appreciate you man coming on the show. Man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: This is big for us, you know, you our guy. Man,

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Speaker 4: we go back years. It's been getting old.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: So it's been like twenty two years now, we've been

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Speaker 1: knowing you.

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Speaker 3: My first European player. Man, be on the pile with

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Speaker 3: my draft class. Lot of a lot of two thousands here,

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Speaker 3: same class. Yeah, I feel older. Yeah, we appreciate you, bro.

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Speaker 3: We definitely appreciate it. When you first got to the league.

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Speaker 3: Who was the first person to bust yours?

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Speaker 2: Man? I should have brought my list. The list is

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Speaker 2: so long. I don't know where to start. You know,

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Speaker 2: I have a couple of things. Then first game, I remember,

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Speaker 2: I was embarrassed, man, big cat Jamal Mushburg.

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Speaker 1: Oh Matsburg killed me too.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I cried, man, I swear to God.

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Speaker 2: And it was slow. It was just my kid doing that.

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Speaker 2: You know, like you're coming from the bench, you know,

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Speaker 2: like rookie you want to do something. You know, like

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Speaker 2: whole team has to change all the defense just for you.

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Speaker 2: You know how embarrassing it is because they have you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like when they leave you. But

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Speaker 2: one on one guys kills you, you know, like I

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Speaker 2: can't guard. I can't do nothing, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like so, man, I went inside and man I was

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Speaker 2: crying and like rest in peace, Pete Carill, you know,

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Speaker 2: like Coachy. So like, boy, when are you crying like Coach?

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Speaker 2: You know, like you guys killed me. I'm embarrassed, you know,

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Speaker 2: like so like there is eighty one more games left,

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Speaker 2: you know, like you gotta cry ever after the game.

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Speaker 2: So it was a big day. But also I hate

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Speaker 2: to play you two guys man, and uh fucking I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry you curse on. I used to hate playing you

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Speaker 2: guys with the Clippers boys, man, you you two in

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Speaker 2: the Coremaghetti fift, Oh my god with the headband with

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Speaker 2: his things on his saying like Bigga today. Actually, you

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Speaker 2: know I tried to God. You guys you had this

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Speaker 2: thing going on back in the day. You don't like

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Speaker 2: to spin love. Oh my god, I hate that, man,

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Speaker 2: I tell you, I hate playing you guys. Man, I

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Speaker 2: swear to God because I couldn't do nothing, man, like

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Speaker 2: you guys are flying out there like I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: front you guys thro the love, trying to do something man,

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Speaker 2: I hate playing against you guys. I swear to God man,

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Speaker 2: so I can't say big cat than you guys. Man,

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Speaker 3: Yo yo yo. We live on location. We live in Orlando, Florida.

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Speaker 3: Today we got a special guess he's a neighborhood of ours,

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Speaker 3: a Orlando Magic. Then when it's the first time taking

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Speaker 3: over seas, we got a Turkey legend in the building.

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Speaker 3: We got missed the heato turker glue. President turn in

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Speaker 3: the building. Appreciate man, appreciate guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's Stan Bull. Tell us about Istanbul and

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Speaker 4: growing up in Istanbul. I heard he was a soccer player.

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Speaker 1: First.

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Speaker 2: I was back in the day. Man. Uh you know

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Speaker 2: that time basketball it wasn't big as right now.

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Speaker 2: So you pretty much you know, on the streets you

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Speaker 2: to like ah, there's places like you play like a

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Speaker 2: street fighter. You know those Okay, okay, you know like

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Speaker 2: video games. You know what I'm saying. You play soccer.

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Speaker 2: So I was a great goalkeeper and I was told

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Speaker 2: I went to the school. I went to the school.

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Speaker 2: So the school had the you know like basketball teams.

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Speaker 2: start and look at basketball more than I did in

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Speaker 2: the soccer. Yeah, so like when you start playing, you know,

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Speaker 2: like you get that feeling, Oh, I can do this,

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Speaker 2: you know, I got skills. Let me try a little

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Speaker 2: bit longer, let me do this, and you start middle school,

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Speaker 2: high school, then you start professionally. You know, I started

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Speaker 2: playing professionally when I was sixteen. Okay, so I started

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Speaker 1: Oh you right away?

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Speaker 2: So you got it? How does it go from?

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Speaker 3: Like, so at what point do you like go from

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Speaker 3: you start playing at eleven? And then at what point

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Speaker 3: between eleven to what do you feel like? Okay, like

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Speaker 3: I'm good? And then like you say, you started playing

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Speaker 3: professionally at sixteen, so I started feeling like when I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're pretty much like all day basketball for you

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Speaker 2: because you're trying to accomplish something, you know, like you

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Speaker 2: want to be good, you want to start making money,

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Speaker 2: and I start making money when I was fourteen with basketball,

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Speaker 2: saying with the school. Then you went to the club

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Speaker 2: FX pilsend. Then you start making like money was like

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Speaker 2: years old. Why then you start getting better every time

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Speaker 2: and then you're sixteen years old, you signed a professional deal,

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Speaker 2: I figured out more skills that I have. Then you

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Speaker 4: Who did you see? Like who was somebody you've seen?

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Speaker 4: Like all right, now I'm in basketball. This is something

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Speaker 2: Like when I get to like sixteen, seventeen, eighteen years old,

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Speaker 2: I started looking up two guys, Tony Cook coach and

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Speaker 2: you know, like as you remember, like I love you know,

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Speaker 2: like making place like drawing, loves making all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So like those two guys were like really in Europe,

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Speaker 2: Like I started looking up Tony. Then like when you

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Speaker 2: get to like seventeen eighteen, nineteen years old. Then your

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Speaker 2: a good player in my Turkish league in Europe. Then

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Speaker 2: of this? Then you start looking at like NBA. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, like then that time, like Tony and Scott,

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Speaker 2: it was like that who I wanted to be.

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Speaker 1: As a player, Like so that's the position you're small for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I like always look at myself like

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Speaker 4: With Scott, you know, playing like point foward. Tony was

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Speaker 2: I start I played certain times in my career as

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Speaker 3: I would to ask when you say at fourteen and sixteen,

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Speaker 3: you say you turn professional at sixteen, right, so what

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Speaker 3: type of is that? Like a lot of money is

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Speaker 3: that like in playing in the Turkeys league?

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Speaker 2: Was that like you all right at sixteen? Was you

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Speaker 2: Not a lot of money in fourteen It wasn't that much.

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Speaker 2: But like when you start getting professionally, and then I

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Speaker 2: was able to buy my own car at sixteen, sixteen seventeen,

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Speaker 2: in eight nineteen years old, I signed a deal, the

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Speaker 2: biggest deal in Turkish basketball history. I signed like nine years,

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Speaker 2: twelve million dollars plus every three every other three years,

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Speaker 2: I used to get like a house, cars and all that,

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Speaker 2: but like I have to break that up to you know,

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Speaker 2: pay one point five million yea, you know for my

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Speaker 2: to my ex about Tish, Yeah, to terminate my deal.

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Speaker 2: My dad almost had a heart attack and what.

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Speaker 3: Like like this Sunday, how did you decide like Okay,

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Speaker 3: go Like at what point did you know, like you

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Speaker 2: So like when things come like eighteen nineteen years old,

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Speaker 2: so you're pretty much in the market right now, like

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Speaker 2: you know, like even you're around, everybody knows, like even

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Speaker 2: right now, they do the same thing. Yeah, that time,

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Speaker 2: that was NBA, you know, like scouts agents, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like then in ninety nine we decided like okay, it

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Speaker 2: and then coming to the NBA. Like so I had

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Speaker 2: to terminate my deal one point five million. You know,

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Speaker 2: I was in New York that time because they told

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Speaker 2: me like lattery picks only come to the to the draft.

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't going to be lattery, you know, like

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Speaker 2: I was going to be fourteen a higher. So that

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Speaker 2: time Sacramento called and it was remember those days, like

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Speaker 2: it was me, you and Dasmond Mason. We yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was me. Either you were going to go to Sacramento, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Seattle or Clippers like three orpo like we are right there.

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Speaker 2: You were all right there. So, like Sacramento called my agent.

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Speaker 2: I was in New York. They asked me, like a

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Speaker 2: couple of questions, are you going to are you willing

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Speaker 2: to pay that much money? Because they don't want to

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Speaker 2: waste their draft. Yeah, they want to know if you're

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Speaker 2: gonna do they don't want to pay you. I started

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Speaker 2: I was into two years, so pretty much like you're

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Speaker 2: So like I said, like I have to make this decision.

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Speaker 2: pay them back. You know, Like in my first year

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Speaker 2: lived six months in uh sacramenty kings as a lady

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Speaker 2: called Matina. I live in their guest house for six months,

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Speaker 2: really six months. I didn't have money.

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Speaker 1: Even for because you was sending all the money back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because like that time I drafted was like sixteen.

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Speaker 2: So like that time I remember like yesterday, like whole

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Speaker 2: I was living in the guest house for six months.

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Speaker 2: I had and like pagem lades at that time, you know,

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Speaker 4: Talking about your draft process, how was your workout process?

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Speaker 1: How many teams did you work out for?

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Speaker 2: Wow, I work out like either sixteen or eighteen teams.

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Speaker 2: See you like me, bro, he was over here privilege,

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Speaker 2: top three pigs.

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Speaker 3: You know, he eat, he barely workout, meeting with people

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Speaker 3: in Prince you know, out here really working forward.

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Speaker 2: Man, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: They still don't believe what we both people and they

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Speaker 3: still like whatever, that was just a good day. They're

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Speaker 2: I remember, like like you said, like I had a

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, the workout, then fly to the next city

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Speaker 2: I was dying. I had to give me like a

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Speaker 2: I had the guy. I was like I had a translator,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So like that time, like you said, like I was

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Speaker 2: well it was just lucky day. You know, let's bring

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Speaker 2: him to the Philadelphia. I was like, bro, you just

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Speaker 2: saw me in Chicago. You know what I'm saying, Why

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Speaker 2: let's see if you can do this same ship, you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that, And I have to fly

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Speaker 2: like Seattles some.

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Speaker 4: Of the players that you had to work out against.

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Speaker 4: Did you have workout against anybody? Uh?

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Speaker 2: I think I work out with against Dasmond Mason. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that was tough. Hard man.

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Speaker 3: I used to hate Oh my god, yes, I got

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Speaker 3: no time for all that enthusiasm, bro, Like.

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Speaker 2: Like that's why, like I was telling, like I used

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Speaker 2: I wasn't, you know, like aware of players, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like so like man, I used to hate playing him

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Speaker 2: Ruben Patterson, like every time post up, post up, ducking

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Speaker 1: Many crashing every.

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Speaker 2: Time, every time I used to slash every time.

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Speaker 1: You ain't gonna take no break, crash from the three point.

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Speaker 2: Unbelieve, like I used to play, you know, like hate

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Speaker 2: playing against those man like like bro, like just chill man,

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Speaker 2: that's what I man, I like, but you guys remind

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Speaker 2: me of those days. Like I used to like hate

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Speaker 2: playing against those guys man like like slashing like Corey,

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Speaker 2: Like that's my Like Corey, like.

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Speaker 3: You take files. My whole career, we always take take files.

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Speaker 3: You'll be trying to get out of the way and

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Speaker 2: Get free throw man like, bro, go ahead, like just

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like don't hit me, man,

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Speaker 2: like you said, like you know, I was like you

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like and he was like making

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Speaker 2: like he was sending student. Man, I used to hate

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Speaker 3: Tell me how how much of a help that was

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Speaker 1: And we could see when.

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Speaker 2: I could have I wouldn't have survived if you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: you know, like those two guys remember like those days,

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Speaker 2: I was just like, that's what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't speak English. We said we have you.

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Speaker 3: I told you, I said, yo, I said, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: so the way Brookie t you remember they do the breakout,

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Speaker 3: You're being a big auditor and big ball with everybody talking.

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Speaker 3: Then they break you down into smaller group. You're going

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Speaker 3: he first from Turkey, English is not well right now.

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Speaker 2: Well don't have it.

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Speaker 3: So it would be like any time it would be

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Speaker 2: Bro, I'm trying to mix it up like dif from

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Speaker 2: us come go this and this, like they were like Colleen,

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Speaker 2: remember Kaleen Man, Oh my god boy was killing me. Man,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I hated that thing. Man. That's the

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Speaker 3: I was sitting there like I was sitting there like, yo,

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Speaker 3: it's not really funny, but it was funny, you know

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Speaker 3: I wasn't really laught. I was trying to help you

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Speaker 2: Was, yo, listen, there was you, and I remember like

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Speaker 2: like take it. Told me after that because that time

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Speaker 3: Because it was like one of these situations where you like, like,

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Speaker 2: It was kind of funny, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Like to see, like, bro, he really struggling, like this

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Speaker 2: If I would say, I'm like, why is my leaders?

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Speaker 2: Like I was just looking and smile, man. Just it

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Speaker 4: Man, but to have like I used to see how

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Speaker 2: They really like they got me under their wings, you

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Speaker 2: forget it Dan. After that, you know, like people start

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Speaker 2: to get to know you more, like I started to

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Speaker 3: Like then they found out he's fucking funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like Jay Will and Mike Bibi, you know,

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Speaker 2: that day when Shee Webb hooked up my car. He

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Speaker 2: did the rookie prank? What he do? No, Like he

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Speaker 2: really like, oh no, you're talking about he hooked it

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Speaker 2: like you know, like we always like either we go

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Speaker 2: I was like my car six cars, Like it was

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Speaker 2: it really did.

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Speaker 3: Talk about like because I can remember coming out there

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it was crazy, you know, like arcle that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you when you ride in, it's like where we're

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Speaker 2: You would see problem like every day you would see

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00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: cows are on you know what I'm saying. That's how

435
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 2: the thing starts because like it was middle of nowhere,

436
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: like old Land, nothing else around there. You see cows

437
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: out there. So that's how the Lakers started with the

438
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, cow bells and all that, but but that time,

439
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: you know, like I remember, like Jay Willis Jersey was

440
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: like number one Jerseys, yeah in two thomsand yeah, like

441
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 2: so that boy was really special man, Like he was

442
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: a I mean he's still live living in the same neighborhood. Yeah,

443
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: you know sometimes like when he plays goals like turk,

444
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: you're here, what's up, bubs? What's up, bubs?

445
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: What's up bubs?

446
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: And just how left me? And just move on?

447
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 4: Like so to get on a team like that, like

448
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 4: y'all transition form, y'all having Jay will to y'all got baby,

449
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 4: and y'all a winning team and y'all the team that's

450
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 4: really going against the Lakers them here you playing key

451
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: minutes on them teams? Like how was the basketball? How

452
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: was that like? Playing them here? How they was teaching

453
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: you how to play the game and get used to

454
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 4: the NBA game because you had game like that never

455
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: was a question. We all always knew you was nice

456
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: to go and we knew it was a reason that

457
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 4: he was always playing you. But how could they game

458
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 4: make you adjust? Because all of them can play. I

459
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: had a squad.

460
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: Already even before that, you know, the team was special,

461
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like they were winning, you know,

462
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: like the passing game was crazy in that team, crazy

463
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: like a lot was passing see where it was like

464
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, so like all.

465
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: You had to do just I hate it those splits, oh,

466
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 4: you know, like we would.

467
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: Go back to it and somebody like plus you can shoot,

468
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: so like it was really easy. And like we have

469
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 2: like guys like two big bands who can pass, and

470
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: you have like crazy Jay Will you know, like you

471
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: had that Christian and all day. So like it was

472
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: pretty much you have to be just ready because you

473
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: really don't know where to, you know, like you get

474
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: the ball, like you go back to somebody will find you.

475
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: So like you pretty much fit very well in the

476
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: team that already been together so many years and they

477
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: know how to play together. So like coming from Europe,

478
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: you pretty much kind of that's how you grew up,

479
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: you know what, Like, so all I have to do

480
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: just figured out my teammates who all play with when

481
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play. You know, it was in the beginning

482
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: it was struggled, but after that, you know, like it

483
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: was really easy because you had good players around you.

484
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: Like when you have good plays around you, it's easy

485
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: for you, especially for like a rookie or like a

486
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: second year guy. Yeah, Jem Walls was there too, Jabbari

487
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: Smith was there. Yeah, So like it was special for me.

488
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: Then rivalry with the Lakers, man, it was unbelievable.

489
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was that to be in no series with

490
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: the Lakers and going down to the wire and playing

491
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: them back and forth?

492
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh, it was special man. That's why for me in

493
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: the Rest in Peace and like it's Cobby is allays

494
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: for me the like I always put MJ on the side,

495
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: but like for me, Kobe is always yeah, you know,

496
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: like always been favorite for him, you know, like because

497
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: that guy was really special man, unreal you know, like

498
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: so he was unstoppable, like he killed us every time

499
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: you play, you know. Like so it was fun man,

500
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: like when you played that high level basketball, you know,

501
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 2: like you're always in the conference finals with the Lakers,

502
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: you know, like that's how you shine, you know. Like,

503
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: so I was able to be part of it. And

504
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: it said that the incident came up, you know after that,

505
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: the referee situation. Yeah, yeah, Teiam Donovan situation.

506
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

507
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: So that kind of hurts him more because you could

508
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: have won at least one rink, you know what I'm saying,

509
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: Like so if you look at it back in the day,

510
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: but it was special for me.

511
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: So you believe you opposed to beat them.

512
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 2: We could have. I mean we bought. I mean, like

513
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: besides that, I'm not gonna say lucky shot Robert Hordy, mate,

514
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: because like it was his job, you know, like it

515
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: was you know, like big, Like my thing was like

516
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: the ball had to hell, the fucking ball leant on

517
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 2: his hand, you know what I'm saying, Like right, and

518
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: he all has to do just set his feet and

519
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: just you know what I'm saying, like make that shot.

520
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: And after that game seven, we had like twenty six

521
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: miss free throws in our corena. Yeah, so.

522
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: It was sad man. Yeah, that was That's a tough

523
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: pill to swallow. This is what I want to know

524
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: because me and Me and Black talked about this all

525
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: the time. How we saw whenever we think about y'all

526
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: know those teams, like we always get that picture you

527
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: Vladi and Paige in the black suits looking like some

528
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: some some European assassins of the disguised his models or something.

529
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: Who's idea, I know somebody had to say it was

530
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: a page. Who's saying that's how we bringing it? Who's

531
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: setting up the swag? I think Peagua said it up.

532
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, like blah, there was the one of

533
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: the worst dress. So you can ever sing in your life,

534
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: that's what they got time. I didn't have money. I

535
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: couldn't buy things, you know what I'm saying, Like but

536
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: blood had money. But like man, he used to dressed

537
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: like a bump man. I swear it got like he

538
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: had his leather jackets, you know what I'm saying, Like

539
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: with the jeans, with your sweats all the time. So

540
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: like Pega used to, like, you know, getting dressed looking

541
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: European ki. You know, like so we all started with

542
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: you know, with so like that time whatever they bought

543
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: it for me, you know, I had to wear it.

544
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if I look good or not. So

545
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: they made me wear all kinds of stuff. They made

546
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: me do that kind of stuff man in Sacramento rookie time.

547
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I used to make me do like Chrispy

548
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: kremed on all kinds of stuff. Man, I used to

549
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: hate that.

550
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: Tell us about Pazeer man, Like a lot of people

551
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: don't speak on how nice and how how good page

552
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 4: it was, just tell us about like just how good pays.

553
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: It was how he prepared, you know what I'm saying

554
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: to go against some of the top two goals in

555
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: the league.

556
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: Man he was. I remember one day we practicing, he

557
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: shot fifty out of fifty two three point. I was like, damn, yeah,

558
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: because at that time I couldn't I didn't play against

559
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 2: him in Europe, but I was hearing, like and I

560
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: was following him so like in the practice, like he

561
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: shot it like fifty other fifty two and it was

562
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: like damn, you know, like he's weird that shot, like

563
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: from the side. Yeah, and it was hard to block it.

564
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: But du was really special man, Like he would really

565
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: prepare himself, like true professional, and you know he made

566
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: the All Stars and he had a great career. Man. Yeah,

567
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: he was. He was tough. He was tough. Like that's

568
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: why how we learned this, uh the fadeaway shot. Yeah,

569
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: like that's pretty much all Europeans, you know, like use

570
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: your right shoulder a little bit, push off, step back,

571
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: and you know that's I'll be trying to copy.

572
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: Going to San Antonio and playing for Pop. You're leaving,

573
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: you know, a franchise with Web and all them and

574
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: having that chemistry and going to a coach like Pop

575
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: and San Antonio.

576
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, how was that trench?

577
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: Now you don't it wasn't easy.

578
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: Pop, I mean, no more taking it easy, have page

579
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: in them, but like you running into Pop.

580
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: And oh my god, it wasn't easy at all. Man,

581
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I remember like how many I don't know,

582
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: like how many games I don't remember numbers, Like coming

583
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: from Sacramento, like you pretty much play like free lance.

584
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying we wouldn't play defense, but like it

585
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: wasn't strict as San Antonio. So you're pretty much you

586
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: get you still have the slappiness from the Sacramento times,

587
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: like you get to San Antonio, like like all defensive rules,

588
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, like you have to do whatever. Pup stays

589
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: like number one rules. You cannot break the rules. So

590
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck I'm gonna do now?

591
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: It was like practice, like you're like that like this

592
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: no middle rule, no matter what, don't let them drive middle.

593
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: Don't drive middle. So at that time, he's just playing

594
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: like the guy just like fucking wonderbble middle like table MANU,

595
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: it's like, so up, get Turk. I was like, the

596
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: fuck happened? I said, like Mike, now this is a

597
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: bit to Milwaukee. You know what happened? He said, like, Turk,

598
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: there's no know like middle, but it wasn't like a

599
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: straight middle, right, So like he pretty much he was middle,

600
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like wonderable middle. So like, okay, my

601
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: bench and probably become like ask him did he get

602
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: it or not? I said, I got it, man, Okay,

603
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: go back here. After like three or four minutes, I

604
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: sucked up again, right, I don't said nothing. I saw,

605
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: you know, money at the table. I just started running

606
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: to the I just started un bench and I was

607
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: just like, fucking man, it's my fault. It was like

608
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: three months. It was really hard for me, man because

609
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: like that time, like we had like Russian Astravitch and

610
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan. Yeah, and he was like Turk, no middle

611
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: because like we have to send the guy to the

612
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: baseline and the bigs has to come. Yeah, like it's

613
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: not your responsibility.

614
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: Double from the baseline. I used to hate the baseline double.

615
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was rule. You know what I'm saying

616
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: like you have to you know, like and I was

617
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: like okay, like I'm trying. Like it's not like I'm

618
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: a great you know what I'm saying. Like I've never

619
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: been a great defender, you know what I'm saying. Like,

620
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: so I needed time to adjust, but like in a

621
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: few months, you know, like I was really hurt. I

622
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: remember like one game, so I was like pretty much

623
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: like a spot up guy over there, so like Tony

624
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: and Man who was doing all the TD all the

625
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: like passing. And I remember like one game like in Cleveland,

626
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: so we lost the game, right, So at that time,

627
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: I was shooting like forty something on treepoint line. So

628
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: like one game, I was like like on the corner

629
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: and the edge of the line, like like you have

630
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: to either out of bounds, you know what I'm saying,

631
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: Like there's no you cannot go further, you know what

632
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So mom, like you know, remember man like

633
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: do all kind of crazy stuff like throw the ball

634
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: out of bounce like I tried to catch it, like

635
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: the ball went this way, and we lost the game

636
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: and Mona came to the locker room. I was like,

637
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: my bad guys, blah blah, blah, you know what I'm saying,

638
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: like and okay, like middle of nowhere, Pap was like

639
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: he took his shirt with his white tank tank top

640
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: with his you know, like pants like half down and

641
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: he's trying to pull back up.

642
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 5: Your fucking to me, you should to catch that fucking book,

643
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying, Like he said, he

644
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: just said it like it's my fault, like it's no nah.

645
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Then you complain about like you're not playing and all that.

646
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, man, like and everybody was like

647
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: tabbing me. I don't worry about it. I was like

648
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: the fuck like that am I? You know what I'm saying,

649
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: Like what's going on here? Am I in the right place?

650
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Like, oh man, it was

651
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: crazy for me, but shut up to that organization man,

652
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: Like really from my career, I still keep touch with

653
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: those guys, you know, like so they were true family man.

654
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: They still keep that you know, like family environment together.

655
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: Remember like they won in two thousand and three, so

656
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: I get there. In two thousand and four, we couldn't win.

657
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: We lost to the Remember like uh Jarik Fisher had

658
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: that throwing throwing shot, you know, like, yeah, we lost

659
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: to them, so I gotta deal with the Magic in

660
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, motherfuckers one again. I was in

661
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: between it between yeah, you know, like they were ezy.

662
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: Man.

663
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: I couldn't win ship in fifteen years, man, and I

664
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: had these Lakers. Man, that's where the god man Kobe

665
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: killed us.

666
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 4: Man, So how was it to get to get to

667
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: get a money there and go to Orlando?

668
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: See that time I was like with Spurs, so I

669
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: had really pretty much this in years, you know, like

670
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: shooting like forty something with a three point line and

671
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: it was okay, yere for me, you know. So my

672
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: agent that time, I was in Phoenix. That time Phoenix

673
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: was interesting and we had this conversation with the guy

674
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: called Johnsbro wasbro like one of it. I couldn't pronounce

675
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: his last name. When he lined up some stupid names

676
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: for the Magic, it was like does he really know basketball?

677
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Like, Because he was telling

678
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: my agent like he was thinking to bring me in

679
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: as a four, El Harrington as a five. I was like,

680
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: you know, I played three, well, played like three and four,

681
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying Like, But he was saying

682
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: like no, I want to bring because like they were

683
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: trying to draft Dwight that year, so now he wanted

684
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: to bring back up as a center. As like l Harrington.

685
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: I was like that, dal doesn't make sense what I'm saying.

686
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: But I said to my agent how much they pay?

687
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're playing me three four or

688
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: five what I'm saying. Like, And it was a good

689
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: start for me for my career because if you look

690
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: at it, Okay, I had thiscing years in Sacramento in Spurs,

691
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: but like if you look at it as a player,

692
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: the biggest impact I had was like in Orlando. Yeah,

693
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: so that's why it was really you know, like lucky

694
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: that we had this time that I able to sign with,

695
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: you know, with the Magic even that time it was

696
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: different combination to like staying came and like they were trying.

697
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: How was that?

698
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: How was there with you? First we're here with Johnny Davis.

699
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: Oh Davis. First we had Johnny Davis. Then we had

700
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: this Brian Hill. Okay, coach here, coach here in my

701
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: second year, it was fin I mean it was different.

702
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Like Johnny, he was a great person man, Like like

703
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: I have to give shout out and credit to all

704
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: the people that I worked with, like, they were all

705
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 2: good persons, you know, like and I'm gonna take any

706
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: credit of their personality, but like as a coaching wise,

707
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, like he was working with Doug that time,

708
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: you know, like so it didn't work out because he

709
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: had a crazy group of guys with him, Uh, Calvin Cato,

710
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: Steve Francis, Cotino Mobile, So it wasn't easy for that

711
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: guy either. Yeah, different personalities, you know.

712
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Like your voice don't rain over the lock and roll, So.

713
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: It wasn't easy for that guy. Then they try be here,

714
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, like he kind of worked out, you know,

715
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: like but still it wasn't matching. It was something was missing.

716
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: Then they brought this oldest Semit guy and uh they

717
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: brought Stanley and Gandhi you know, like whole thing change

718
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: for like for the organization, because that time you were

719
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: making the playoffs, you were barely making eight seats. And

720
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: then when the staying came, like every like as soon

721
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: as he came, like next year, we meet to the finals.

722
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Like, so it wasn't easy

723
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: working with stand either man. How was it working with

724
00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god? You know, like that time I hate mornings.

725
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: You know, like if he was still kills me on TV.

726
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like he still kills me

727
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: on TV, and he still texts me because because you

728
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: went show up to the second day, you know, it

729
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: was it was hard for me to wake up, you know,

730
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: Like I swear to God, like I never had a

731
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: good game like early games, like noon games, like one

732
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: o'clock games, because like you know, remember, like you remember

733
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: staying like the guy would fucking bring us out there

734
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: like three hours before the game. So like, bro, like

735
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: you go to bed, like what midnight one o'clock you

736
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: got to do? Like, so it wasn't working for me,

737
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: Like just put it that way. So one day in

738
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: the practice, it was like ten o'clock or ten to

739
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: of the practice. So I'm just just just trying to

740
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: get my sweating aka going through the mouses. And Sam

741
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: was like he had this fucking drink like pepsi or something.

742
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: They would put it right in the middle of the court.

743
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck. I've got nothing else to do.

744
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: I'm here all day. I'm here all day as long

745
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: as fucking lazy Turk starts moving, you know what I'm saying.

746
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: Like we start practicing, man, I start cussing up. Man.

747
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: Fuck if man, I'm not running like he's cussing me out.

748
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: I'm cussing. But it's like thirty minutes, you know what

749
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like we're still running like dumby stuff. Everybody

750
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: was that come on, Turk stopped the bushes. Man. You

751
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like stop talking to Yeah, right,

752
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: let's get it up, you know what I'm saying. Like,

753
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: So it was funny, man, But I give credit to him, man, Like,

754
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: he figured out things have to match all these players

755
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: to play together, and that's how we get successful. Man Like,

756
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: Otherwise I don't think I will be able to, you know,

757
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: like show my skills. Well, I don't think the whole

758
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: team will be you know, like this good. You know,

759
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: because he had like I remember, like training, they remember

760
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: those like he would come in training. He would like

761
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: demonstrate like this and this and this methodical like the

762
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: wide will playing the most talk blah blah blah, they

763
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: will take most of shots.

764
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, like now, that was

765
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: what I appreciated about them. It wasn't no he won,

766
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 3: no bullshit. He came in and he was gonna let

767
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: everybody know exactly what his vision was. I don't know

768
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: what you think, but I'm gonna let you see everybody

769
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: down in the locker room and go around in circle

770
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: like this is what I expect.

771
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: So that's why everybody bought in that time, you know,

772
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: Like so it was easy for all of us, you know,

773
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: Like I mean in the like last years, you know,

774
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: things get worse because big fellas trying to different things,

775
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, and the organization got

776
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: cut up with that bs, you know what I'm saying, Like,

777
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: and they messed up since then, you know what I'm saying, like,

778
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: they should gets it together since then, because it was

779
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: special that time.

780
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: Man was you?

781
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 4: Was you leaving off the rip when he was putting

782
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 4: you and at the four like y'all gonna play the

783
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 4: three and the four, we're gonna go small Hall the white,

784
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 4: clean everything up.

785
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's why he set it up. In the beginning,

786
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: he used like he used me as like a point forward,

787
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like small forward, point forward.

788
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 2: So like it was pretty much it was a perfect

789
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: perfect storm. Perfect for me too, because I was able

790
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: to play pick and rolls and do all kind of

791
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: crazy stuff, you know what I'm saying. Like so Rashad

792
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: in the beginning, he struggled a little bit because like

793
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 2: he'd been playing small forward all his life. But like

794
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: things open up, you know, like better for him as

795
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: well too, because like with the big fella playing pick

796
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: and roll, we had guys who can pass, so.

797
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: Was gonna get left and he was gonna be wired

798
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: up and for jumpers and stuff.

799
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like like m P was there even uh has

800
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: a kid Bogan shot even he was making shots. I

801
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: love you man, So like MP bogues, Like then j

802
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: J came in and like everybody was just it was

803
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: buying in the system, you know. So that's why how

804
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: do you get successful? But it wasn't easy in the

805
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: beginning because like trying to figure out to playing time,

806
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: who's gonna take the shots, who's gonna go to guy

807
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: and all that. Then Loss was there for a minute,

808
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: Royal cookies.

809
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: He was.

810
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: He was the one of the funniest guy I would play.

811
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: I remember one game either in Boston or in uh Philadelphia.

812
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: So like Loss is a you know, like a ballhowk

813
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: So like he wants to bring it up like dreg

814
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: you know, like the ship. So like Stan was like Carlos,

815
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: like you know, passed the ball like I'm running somebody

816
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: else like extendable, you know what I'm saying, like passage.

817
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: So like we play and like Lost was like yeah, man,

818
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now. I was like, did

819
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: you just do that? Says like, man, we came to

820
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: the time. I like Lost, Man, come on, man, just chill,

821
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: just play like you know what I'm saying, like, let

822
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: us play past the ball, like then you'll get the

823
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: game play because he wants to play pick and roll

824
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: doll kind of. She's like so like staying like two

825
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: to three. I was like, Carlos, man past the fucking ball,

826
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: and Los was like Stan, just choo, man, enjoy the show.

827
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: I swear to god, bro like lost it. He fucking

828
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: up like he turned the ball over to something. I

829
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: heard the noise and Stan that guy was funny too,

830
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: and he was like, let's end your show up together.

831
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: Next to me, he sew me mind and said like Colos,

832
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: let's enjoy the show together. You know what I'm saying,

833
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: Like you're going to put him back in the game again.

834
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Play the rest of that.

835
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: So it was funny man. Alright.

836
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 3: As you guys know, we've been giving away digital collectibles

837
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: on each episode. The secret word for this episode is

838
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: turk t U r K all lower case no spaces.

839
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 4: What did you learn from San Antonio and Sacramento that

840
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: made it work in Orlando?

841
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: Wow? Uh? I mean we grow up that way anyway,

842
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: Like coming from Europe playing overseas, you know, professionally, but

843
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: like you've been in a different environment like NBA, the

844
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: best organization in the world, you know, Like, so you

845
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: pretty much learn have to be a really good teammate,

846
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like that really because like

847
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: two different teams, so many different personalities, you know what

848
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like coaches, organization wise, So like I always

849
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: wanted to be like good teammate no matter what. You know,

850
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: we had good times, bad times, like winning wise, you

851
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. But I always enjoy playing with

852
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: my teammates, you know, like and everybody enjoy playing with

853
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: me too, So like it pretty much you know, like

854
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: how I learned to be a really good teammate, you know,

855
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: like because you play eighty two games with like a

856
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: preseason and all like ninety games. You pretty much see

857
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: those guys more than your family, you know what I'm saying, Like,

858
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: so I really enjoy being around all my teammates. So

859
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: of course basketball is it different because like system was

860
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: different comparing to Sacramento and Spurs. You know, like you're

861
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: coming to the team that has already won the championship.

862
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: You have one of the the greatest player ever, Tim Duncan,

863
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: things built around him, you know what I'm saying, Like,

864
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: so that how to have to manage it as a personality,

865
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: you know, like that really help because like that's gonna

866
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: come up in your next team as well too, because

867
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: you're gonna have new teammates, new coaching staff, know what

868
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, so instead of being outspoken guy, you

869
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: will just wait kind of like I lay back trying

870
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: to figure out who is who, what kind of personalities,

871
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, So it pretty much

872
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: really helped me to grow as a person as a

873
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: man more and more. You know, like when you get

874
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: in to the different teams, like after you play with

875
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: the Sacramento and Spurs.

876
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: And seven o eight, when you win the most improved

877
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: and you average your highest points, like.

878
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: When I get cheated on that one. Man, they just

879
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: stole my old star. Man, they stole you. Talk about it,

880
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: tell you what happened. I mean, like you said I

881
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: was averaging nineteen point five five five and fastically du yeah, then.

882
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: Of the really nineteen six and five?

883
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So like you're pretty

884
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: much having your best and your team was good. We

885
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 2: were really hurting it what I'm saying, Like, so I

886
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: was taking shots mister fourth quarter blah blah blah, you

887
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like making all kind of crazy stuff.

888
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,760
Speaker 2: So that's why, like that's how you get upset about

889
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: certain things, because I think that's how they trying to

890
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: make it up after they gave it to me, because

891
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: I was the oldest fucking guy who was the most

892
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: import improved player. You know what I'm saying, Like usually

893
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 2: the guys will get it after second or third years,

894
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I was already in the

895
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: league like what seven eight years or maybe nine years,

896
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like, so I swear it God,

897
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: because like I always, I had this argument with other

898
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 2: people as well. To listen, man, Like after that, I

899
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: look at the players, the number they put up. You

900
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like Roy Hubbert. You know what

901
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like all them guys. You know what I'm saying,

902
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: Like it was stupid, like eleven points, twelve points, ten

903
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: rebounds they were making All Stars and I was so

904
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 2: you would.

905
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 3: Have benefited from the way they do it. Now it's

906
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: no more centers, it's just forward's in.

907
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying that so like you look at it like

908
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: how like maybe like that time I wasn't Maybe I'm

909
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: gonna die next year. You know what I'm saying, Like

910
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like, how the hell are

911
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: you gonna know what's gonna happen. Maybe I'm gonna turn

912
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: my NCL or you know what, you don't want to

913
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: be like he's got plenty of time to get you

914
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Now, you shouldn't be looking at

915
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: it like, oh, it's this his first year, blah blah blah.

916
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, if the guy have

917
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: it not just for myself, you know what I'm saying,

918
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: Like I'm talking about that in general. If the guy

919
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: is having like a year like All Star year, it

920
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: should be awarded. I'm saying that I think this only

921
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 2: thing for me. They fuck it up and they're trying

922
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 2: to make it up or like and giving me like

923
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: because it didn't make sense, you know what I'm saying.

924
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: Like I was like thirty almost like twenty eight, twenty

925
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: nine years old. How the hell are you gonna give

926
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: me the most improved player. I'm older than the league

927
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 2: like eight years, nine years. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

928
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: But they couldn't admit it or come out, you know

929
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So they're trying to, Okay, we fucking

930
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: some Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

931
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: Saying home with something.

932
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: They asked you about this, Like, uh, when y'all played

933
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 4: the Calves in the conference finals, you seeing the Lebron

934
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: James and Kobe Bryant like commercials and and all that stuff.

935
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: So they kind of already had them kind of beating

936
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: y'all and y'all playing and said tell us about that

937
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 4: series and y'all coming in there and getting Game one

938
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 4: and then he hitting that half court shot to.

939
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there, Thanks for reminding. Now. The funny

940
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 2: about is like because Calves was like they had the

941
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: best record in the league that time. Yeah, so like

942
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, like you're underdog. You just want to go

943
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: out there and try and do your best. And like

944
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: we stole the first game. It was crazy, like nobody understood,

945
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: like like they came and beat us, you know what

946
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, but we were so like into it,

947
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like we were just enjoy

948
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 2: and just just doing what we're doing wholly along. The

949
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 2: White was killing. They couldn't stop him. So like second

950
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: game when he had that crazy shut over me, I

951
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: saw like whole arena, a whole bench, like remember that,

952
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: Like they celebrated like they won the championship. So like

953
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: then we went to locker room and we said to ourselves,

954
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 2: like we got them. You know what I'm saying, because

955
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: we're in their head because like if you aren't that

956
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: good team, you play great whole year long. You know

957
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you shouldn't be celebrating like that,

958
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like after the game and

959
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,479
Speaker 2: like one crazy shot over Lebron, you know what I'm saying,

960
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Like you shouldn't be that kind of happy happy, you

961
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like then the rest of it

962
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: was just easy for us, But it wasn't like we

963
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: were so mad about it, you know, like because like

964
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: media was hyping up like the greatest matchup ever Kobila

965
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: Bron blah blah blah. You know what I'm saying, Like

966
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: the TV race and let's like thanks for guessing us.

967
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like that's really how.

968
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: Tell me this because I know, like how locked in

969
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 3: and crazily prepared this. Then have y'all for that series.

970
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: This is the right place, right man. I used to

971
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: hate his walk throughs, like he would prepare us from

972
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: the books, the thanks we have to watch and his

973
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, his walkthroughs, like it would take two hours,

974
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: like in the hotel, it will be a little bit

975
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: bigger than this.

976
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: Room tape taped.

977
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: Up, Like I used to hate. He used to be

978
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: walking around there like, man, but this is this is

979
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: I would tell him, like we would go through let's say,

980
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: like cabs are like fifty place. This is the part

981
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: I was about to say, we would go like fifty places,

982
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: So I said, yo, man, like they basically played like

983
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 2: they smunch.

984
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, We're I'm gonna tell me

985
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: if I'm telling the truth. When I say, this is

986
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: where he when I first got here. This is like

987
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 3: give him my first year when I used to be like,

988
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: before you figure him out and you understand sting, your

989
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: first initial thing is you're gonna be like fuck, You're

990
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: gonna be frustrating with him, like at every like why

991
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: are we pricing this on soth? Like before you figure

992
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: that out? He just said that they're how fifty three

993
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: plays DD We'll go through all fifty three of them.

994
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: But in the midst of going through, he's the mad

995
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: scientist that he'll think of a wrinkle of his own

996
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 3: off their play and say, well, they should try that.

997
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they do that? Well, let's just walk through

998
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: it because I think they might. This is something they

999
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: should do off that you like, hold on, bro, you

1000
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 3: just made up a renkal out and now we're going

1001
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,439
Speaker 3: through this because you like, this is something that could happen.

1002
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, like you know, he like a bad

1003
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: basketball genius like that, he like I would try this,

1004
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: Like so we.

1005
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: Should like what if they do it?

1006
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: Like, let's walk through it, like like.

1007
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: He plays up off of things. I was like yo,

1008
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 2: and we asked like coachures like Steve dot Com Clifford

1009
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: Bob Yo, Man, did they really play this play? You

1010
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like, Bro, like we never see

1011
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: any of this motherfucker's play this play. You know what

1012
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, why the fuck we have to go

1013
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: through this ship? We have to pretty much like Bump,

1014
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: you know, denied all of that, like all of that,

1015
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: like that, come on, man, like we're not gonna play this.

1016
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: What happened? If they do?

1017
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: I was like, time out, this is the best right here.

1018
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: We be here, walk through shoot around or something. What

1019
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: JJ gonna do? JJ gonna blow by your ass when

1020
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: you walking? Almost slap you remember you got so bad?

1021
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: I remember, Bro, it's a walk through.

1022
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 4: Man, it says God damn it.

1023
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: You can't call anybody. Was like we're walking and I

1024
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: remember remember one day like we were playing like five

1025
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: on five, so like he wasn't that team too. But

1026
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: right before Stank came. So I had the same different

1027
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: with JJ, So like you, I was, he was guarding me,

1028
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: you know, like so he you know, like he used

1029
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: to grab and slap and all that. I said, he

1030
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: JJ and stopped doing this ship. Man, I'm just gonna

1031
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: fucking pass the ball man, like I don't want to

1032
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm just chilling. I'm

1033
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: just I swear to like in the you know, like

1034
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: our d V the old the old old pressure. So

1035
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: I said, like, yo J Man, like I'm just just chilling. Man,

1036
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna fucking. He was just like slap and

1037
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 2: like you know, like then you look bad because you

1038
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: turn the ball over. So I said, j J. Man,

1039
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: you I'm gonna suck you up like you can ask this.

1040
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: So like I got the ball. I was posting up right.

1041
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: I didn't look at this ship that boom. Brian here

1042
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: was coaching you motherfucker, you dirty beast.

1043
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: Get the fuck out, kick you out of practice.

1044
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 2: That's the man I warn you. I did stop sucking

1045
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: man like when I'm not like instane like bro, like

1046
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: it's walk through, Man, don't make me look bad, you

1047
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like we're just going through the motion,

1048
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: like don't be like no, j J, I don't like

1049
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: that ba be bast and get you too. Why he

1050
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: would do is pump fake, pump fake. We had a

1051
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: crazy team and walk through. Man, the miles, we will

1052
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: do this ship in walk through after like an hour

1053
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: and a half to get out of there. Y'all just

1054
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: doing that extra ripping true and pump faking you know

1055
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, bro, you know what I'm saying,

1056
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: Like m P m P. Guilty too. He got me

1057
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: a time too.

1058
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm looking like, yo, bro, like this this don't help

1059
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: nobody in here as a whole. This is sucking everybody

1060
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: up because like standing really yeah here, scream on you

1061
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: like it's staying.

1062
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: Then you have to start over. Yeah you stop bullshiting.

1063
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: Turk I said, like, yo, man, you know no, man,

1064
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: this is gonna happen in the game. You're gonna see

1065
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So like we have to do, like

1066
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: we have to go through it again. Come on, man, Like.

1067
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 3: Take me back to when he was talking about that

1068
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 3: when you beat Lebron and to go to the finals again,

1069
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: because like, how was it when y'all actually won the

1070
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference finals, y'all standing there with the trophy and

1071
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: y'all celebrating, and like what was that like in the

1072
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: locker room and for all of y'all on the team,

1073
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: Because like we said, it was that whole backdrop of

1074
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 3: the world thinking it was gonna be Cleveland and Kobe,

1075
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, Lebron Kobe in.

1076
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: The final, Like how was that feeling for y'all as

1077
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: a team? Man? It was really weird in the beginning though,

1078
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: because like you were underdog and nobody was expecting. You

1079
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, by the time you get

1080
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: there and you'll be to like Lebron and the like

1081
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: the best team that time in the league. You know,

1082
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: Like so, but the thing, it's happened so quick the

1083
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: way we played, and it didn't change anything the way

1084
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: we play, you know what I'm saying, Like, so that's

1085
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: how really you know, like help our motivation, you know

1086
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like the focus and by the time

1087
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: we won after six games, you know what I'm saying,

1088
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: Like we were kind of like accepting who we are.

1089
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Then, okay, you know, like

1090
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: we are who we are, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1091
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: but in the beginning, you know, like starting to the games,

1092
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't you know what I'm saying, because like nobody

1093
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: was expecting. So like, but like when you want it

1094
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: and the way you play it, you know what I'm saying,

1095
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: Like pretty much we weren't like they were celebrating. You

1096
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like after the second game they won.

1097
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like because we pretty much

1098
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 2: came with that mentality like Okay, we are better than them,

1099
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 2: Like we deserve to be here, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1100
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: and we have a chance to be to you know

1101
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Lay broke a lot of people for Yeah,

1102
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: we did, you know, I know then't Lakers?

1103
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 4: Like how was the like the finals experience with h

1104
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 4: You know how the final chance the finals is, the

1105
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 4: playoffs is one animal, but the Finals is a whole

1106
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 4: other animal within itself, like just two teams Leve Kobe

1107
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 4: Bryant and the legendary Lakers.

1108
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: I mean it was like as an NBA player, you know,

1109
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: like I think for me as a player, you want

1110
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: to be awarded as an All Star or like having

1111
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: a great year or et cetera. But also you know,

1112
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: playing in the NBA Finals, playing in the finals, you

1113
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, not just being in the finals.

1114
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like because we all grow up,

1115
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like because I got offers

1116
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: so many times, you know, like when I close to

1117
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: retiring for different teams, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1118
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 2: but like how do you grow up if I wasn't

1119
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: going to be able to pay I'm saying, like play

1120
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: or contribute something. I don't want to travel, you know

1121
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like half of the year, I don't

1122
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: want to go through that, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1123
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,919
Speaker 2: so being in that NBA Finals, you know, like you're

1124
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: pretty much one of the famous guys in the whole world.

1125
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: You know, like everybody everybody's looking for h you know,

1126
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: like when you're playing with the Lakers, Kobe, you know,

1127
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: like Powell, you know, like those guys. That's even more interesting.

1128
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: And the other part is like you beat the Calves Lebron,

1129
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, so they make you

1130
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: look even more, you know, pay attention, like who is

1131
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: this team? Like who is this guy? You know what

1132
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like you're pretty much like you would see celebrities,

1133
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: like when you go to the games like New York

1134
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: and LA you know, like during the season, but like

1135
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: you'll get like stars trecked. You know what I'm saying,

1136
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: Like you'll see everybody like like you swearing God, Like

1137
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, so like it was different,

1138
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 2: Like it was really different because like you see, like

1139
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, like you grow up watching those guys, you

1140
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like those movies and shows and

1141
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: all that, like listening to music and all that. Yeah,

1142
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 2: and now you're shaking hands and doing like fist bumps

1143
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: and all that. Like it was really you know, like

1144
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: the man that was it was it was man, you know.

1145
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like think about this because like guys like us,

1146
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: like coming overseas. You know what I'm saying, like like

1147
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: we're not from here, We're not born and raised, you

1148
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, so we're not from this culture. Yeah,

1149
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: So like it even makes more special to us because

1150
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: like you're pretty much grow up you know what I'm saying,

1151
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: Like you watching and seeing maybe running to the people

1152
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: those people, you know what I'm saying, Like us, you

1153
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like after that year, like you're

1154
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: playing the best and like two teams in the world

1155
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: competing each other. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

1156
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: and it was really different.

1157
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: Tell me this, So, like you said, you feel like

1158
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 3: you're one of the most famous people in the world, Right,

1159
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: how was it for you returning back home to Turkey

1160
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 3: or just going back to Europe and being around you know,

1161
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 3: your peers, people, other players and everybody, Like after coming

1162
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: off like you winning Most Improved, you had that huge year.

1163
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 3: Then you go to the finals and you play well.

1164
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: You have jaighteen in the finals, like you went out

1165
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 3: there and you bought that. Like was you walking around

1166
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 3: like I'm a man over here?

1167
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: I was walking that. I feel like I was walking

1168
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 2: on the water right to flow, you know, like you know,

1169
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: like Jim Carrey and the guy used to play Evan Almighty. Yeah,

1170
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like I

1171
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: was walking on the border. Because like even this time,

1172
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: like when I go back, they still remember the block

1173
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 2: I made for Kobe, So like think about it, after

1174
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: like thirteen twelve years, they still remember, Like you know

1175
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, so think about it, like this

1176
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying right now is like maybe like

1177
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: a thousand or a million times bigger than you know

1178
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like because like a Turkish guy playing

1179
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: in the finals and he's doing okay, you know what

1180
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like putting up numbers, and they had a

1181
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: chance like to be go to beat Kobe, you know,

1182
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 2: blocking blucky shun. You know what I'm saying, Like, so

1183
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: let me let me ask you that. And I was

1184
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: explaining to people like they were asking, like how do

1185
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 2: you block Kobe? Like I should listen, man, it's not

1186
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: meant to be like that, saying like the guy just

1187
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: being in the fade back, I just put my hands

1188
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: in just to just happening. It's not like I tried,

1189
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like block block blocking. I'm

1190
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: still trying to explain to people. You know what I'm saying, like, listen, man,

1191
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: the guy blew by me, don't you see like he

1192
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: just blew by me. You know what I'm saying.

1193
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,479
Speaker 3: So tell me this, right, what's the craziest reaction you've

1194
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 3: gotten from like when you back home, Like people being

1195
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 3: in awe of you being, you know, an NBA player

1196
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 3: that did so well in the league. Like, what's the

1197
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 3: craziest thing somebody's done, Like whether it's like trying to

1198
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 3: give you a crazy gift or just their reaction or

1199
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 3: doing something crazy when they meet you.

1200
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing that's happened for you. Yeah, even

1201
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 2: that time, like when we were playing like Whole Country,

1202
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: you know, like was calling you, like President calling you,

1203
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: Minister calling your prime ministers calling you. That's pretty much

1204
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: like you are the most talking guy. Everybody's just you

1205
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like because like it didn't happen

1206
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 2: to that time, Like yeah, because like occur, you know,

1207
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: like he played he wondered in two thousand and four.

1208
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, but like his time,

1209
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: after his time, then after my time is I was

1210
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 2: like five years, you know what I'm saying, Like, so

1211
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 2: as a guy like making that kind of impact playing

1212
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 2: in the game, you know what I'm saying, Like, after

1213
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: that year, I had grown more. It was more, you

1214
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like people even right now, they

1215
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 2: start to seeing more because like that time, they would

1216
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: just see on TVs. You know what I'm saying, Like

1217
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 2: like one game every other three weeks, you know what

1218
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, so coming to the two thousand and nine,

1219
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: it was every week every day, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1220
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: so people start like following you more, like get to

1221
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: know you about the more, and and you're putting up

1222
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 2: these numbers and you're winning and losing. You know what

1223
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, So when you went there, what I'm

1224
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: saying like, it was just like you want to be

1225
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: part of every commercial, I swear to God, like they

1226
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 2: wanted to put you on every commercial and any TV

1227
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 2: and any podcast. You know what I'm saying, Like they

1228
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: just want to be like around you. You know what

1229
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm saying like, So thank god I was married at

1230
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: that time. Let me ask you this, I would be crazy. Motherfucker. Man,

1231
01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm telling you think about me, you know, you tell

1232
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 2: me about that wildness be a fucking can't stoppable.

1233
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 4: What you think about the NBA now you're seeing the NBA, Like, uh,

1234
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 4: when you came in, it's still want a lot of

1235
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: European guys in the league, but now not only it's

1236
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 4: a lot more in European guys in the league. They're

1237
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 4: like top five, top ten, they all MVP back to

1238
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,560
Speaker 4: back MVPs. To see how twenty years from since you

1239
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 4: got drafted, Howard switched.

1240
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: What you think about that?

1241
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. The growth of European basketball, the impact

1242
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 2: having any NBA is unbelievable. Like if you look at

1243
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: it back in the day, it was just like few few,

1244
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, like that time, Dirk was the best. It's

1245
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: still for me, the best European player ever, you know

1246
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like then you had Pow, you had

1247
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: Manu even though money is not you know, European, but

1248
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 2: like he grew up in Europe, you play in Italian,

1249
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: came here like Tony Parker, you know what I'm saying.

1250
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: So if you look at it like you know, like

1251
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: you had the players they had like been all stars

1252
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: and had had the impacts in the teams. But like

1253
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: if you look at it, like last four years, European

1254
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 2: players been amp yeah and win in the finals.

1255
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like they say the top

1256
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 4: five NBA plus is European.

1257
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: Like you have the Joe Kits, Joannis Luca, you know

1258
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, so it's changed Joe Embiid. Yeah,

1259
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: he's also special as well too, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1260
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 2: so if you look at it, those guys, you know,

1261
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: like how they changed the look up to you know,

1262
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: like Youpean basketball, It's it's crazy. It's also growth and

1263
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 2: helped grow to basketball in Europe as well too. You know,

1264
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,639
Speaker 2: let the kids start to you know, trying to improve

1265
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: themselves more and more, trying to come to the NBA

1266
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 2: more and more, trying to be part of this organization.

1267
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 2: You know, Like so because they can see right now

1268
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: the players, like we mentioned it, right now, they can

1269
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 2: be best player in the.

1270
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,480
Speaker 1: Team every day in the league.

1271
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: You know, like dominating the league. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1272
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: so it's it's really huge.

1273
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: How cool was it to come back to Orlando after

1274
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 3: you you know, the love the brief stands in Toronto

1275
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 3: and and thing Phoenix? How cool was it to end

1276
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 3: back up here in the trade?

1277
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean you you know me, I've been straight forward

1278
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: to everybody. You know what I'm saying, Like I've been

1279
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: honest to everybody in the beginning. I didn't want to leave,

1280
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: right you know what I'm saying, Like I never wanted

1281
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: to leave here. I'm saying that because you fade the

1282
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: fucking NBA finals, Like why would you leave? You know

1283
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like the things works perfect for you,

1284
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: the fities the way you want it, you know what

1285
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like at that time, that management who was

1286
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: running it, you know what I'm saying, Like they wanted

1287
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: to go in a different direction, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1288
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: but the funny part is, like the money they didn't

1289
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: want to pay me that time they made the trade

1290
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 2: they brought me back. You know what I'm saying, assume

1291
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: that contract. So like I pretty much had to go

1292
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 2: through all the cities. Just see what I'm saying, Like

1293
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like and for a few

1294
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 2: months for to Phoenix, you know what I'm saying, Like

1295
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 2: I could be here and he came back, and I

1296
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: was waiting on you when you got back. Yeah, you

1297
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: know it was always specially like I like that's why,

1298
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: like my kids grow up here, they still live here,

1299
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like I always tell this,

1300
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: Orlando is always like second home for me, you know

1301
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like even though in different cities and

1302
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: all that, but like I built a great foundation here.

1303
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 2: I know so many great people around here at that time,

1304
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: you know, like the business they wanted to take, you know,

1305
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 2: like they wanted to bring you know, like shout out

1306
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 2: to do you know, like Hall of Famer for me,

1307
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: Vince Carter, you know what I'm saying, Like they wanted

1308
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: to bring him and try that way. You know what

1309
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, but I always put it this way,

1310
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: and even that time, you know what I'm saying that

1311
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 2: because it had example like two thousand eight Boss and Celtics.

1312
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like when you have those

1313
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: Big three, You know what I'm saying, like at that time, yeah,

1314
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 2: like Paul KG. You know what I'm saying, like ray Rajah,

1315
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like so like you could

1316
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 2: see that that worked, you know what I'm saying, Like

1317
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that time maybe me and you know

1318
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like b SE could have worked too,

1319
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying like, but at that time,

1320
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 2: the management wanted to you know, like try different things.

1321
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like I respect that, you know, like,

1322
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 2: but like it just didn't make sense for me for everybody.

1323
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: Like if you look around in Orlando, like like nobody

1324
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 2: understands you know what I'm saying, Like why would you

1325
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: not sign the guy the money he asked for? You

1326
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, and you're trying to after

1327
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 2: a year, you know what I'm saying, like you brought

1328
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 2: it back the same money. It's just even just stupid.

1329
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 4: How is it being the president of the Turkish basketball.

1330
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: So big bouce, Big bouce. Then you guys should tell

1331
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: you guys should come you guys should man Ain't come on,

1332
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm serious, man, I mean it's different because now you

1333
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: are in a professional life. Like you know, like right

1334
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: now you're chilling, you're having a good time. You know,

1335
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: you're kicking it. Now the expectation is different, the approach

1336
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: is different, you know, like it's pretty much now people

1337
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 2: look at you different way than you know, like ex

1338
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 2: basketball player that play in the NBA, you know what

1339
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, so like it has good things and

1340
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 2: bad things, not bad things at tough times because like

1341
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,839
Speaker 2: in Europe is different than here. Everything depends on results.

1342
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: So like if you're winning, you're good. If you lose,

1343
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 2: they have to blame somebody, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1344
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: so in this point right now, we always get this

1345
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: every weekend, you know, like every weekend we have like

1346
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,440
Speaker 2: a super league. Then the team underneath men and women's

1347
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: so like pretty much we play like trying like fifty

1348
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: games or something like that. Overall, so like somebody has

1349
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: to win, right, So like whoever wins, tombs up whoever

1350
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 2: loses casting me out. You know what I'm saying, It

1351
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 2: is my reps, my organization. I was like, yeah, somebody

1352
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: has to win or you know what I'm saying, Like

1353
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 2: somebody gonna win, somebody and to lose, you know what

1354
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Like, so this is the hardest part because

1355
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 2: like in overseas, this is the hardest part, you know,

1356
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 2: trying to not to educate, but like help the people out.

1357
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: The sports is winning and losing, winner and losing. But

1358
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: like in overseas, like if you lose, you know, like

1359
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: it's fucking turks fault. How the fuck is my fault?

1360
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like I don't play like

1361
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you build a team

1362
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 2: like this, you know what I'm saying. It's so funny,

1363
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 2: like like they have teams playing euro League and you

1364
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 2: have decent teams, Like we have budget teams like thirty

1365
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 2: million dollars, right, and we have budgets like three million dollars.

1366
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: So like you're pretty much it's unbalanced already, like the

1367
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: quality all players. So like when this team beats this team,

1368
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like it's normal, right if

1369
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: you look at the player wise, like you shouldn't be

1370
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 2: surprising to anybody, you know what I'm saying, Like even this,

1371
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 2: some teams they blame like, yeah, the Federation helped this

1372
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: team to beat us. I was like, how the hell

1373
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 2: is going to you know what I'm saying, Like they

1374
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 2: have one player he makes three million a dollar and

1375
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: your whole budget is like three million dollars. I'm saying,

1376
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 2: So how these make you? Know what I'm saying, Like

1377
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: he makes as much as that whole team, and now

1378
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: you're trying to blame like is your ref your organization?

1379
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So this is the only

1380
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 2: hardest part other than that. You like you're trying to

1381
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 2: do something new to your country, like your experience, what

1382
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: you learn here, and you're trying to bring that to

1383
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 2: your like a young general and like so, but sometimes

1384
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 2: it's really gets hot. You know when that time comes,

1385
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 2: I come here, stay a few weeks here. You know

1386
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like, relax, clean my mind, you know

1387
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like you a lot and go back.

1388
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: So back to that ward again.

1389
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 4: So you knowing how the system works, So what made

1390
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 4: you want to be a part of that because you

1391
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 4: cannot deal with the headache because you know, they don't

1392
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 4: know the things that goes with sports in the system

1393
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 4: of like man, it's a winner.

1394
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 1: Or lose or this is just how it goes.

1395
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 4: But that's how you build a legacy for an organization

1396
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 4: or something you're trying to build.

1397
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: So what made you.

1398
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 4: Knowing that it's like to get into it, Like, yeah, no,

1399
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 4: I want to be I want to take this.

1400
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 1: Job as being the president.

1401
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 4: I want to show y'all something different and I want

1402
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 4: to build off that for the kids that's coming.

1403
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: I mean, like you said, you have to be stupid, right,

1404
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 2: like knowing that you know, like this is how it's

1405
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: going to be. You know, Like but like you don't,

1406
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 2: I don't look at it that way, you know what

1407
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like I just don't don't look at it

1408
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: for results of the games, you know what I'm saying,

1409
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: Like I want to change something that never happened in

1410
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: the basketball Federation, Like I'm building something that's never been

1411
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: done in like in whole Turkish basketball history, you know

1412
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, so those kind of things, it's

1413
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: pretty kind of gives me more passionate about it, you

1414
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's why. Plus you have your

1415
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: friends that you grow up with. You know what I'm saying,

1416
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 2: Like I build a good team around me that's going

1417
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 2: to help me out. You know what I'm saying, like

1418
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: bring a great foundation and the things that's never done before,

1419
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: like bringing building facilities. You know what I'm saying, Like

1420
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: helping the kids like education wise, connecting the kids with

1421
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: these schools. Yeah, that's why it wasn't just for me.

1422
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 2: Like if you look at it, like you said, just

1423
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: for the results, it's a no brainer. You shouldn't be

1424
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: doing this, you know I'm because it comes for years

1425
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 2: and it's not going to change. Even I can't change that,

1426
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: and I know I'm not going to be able to

1427
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 2: change it. But like you're still trying to teach them

1428
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: and show them. Listen, man, we're trying to do our best.

1429
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like we are helping our

1430
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 2: officiating to be in a better system. You know what

1431
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We're trying to get them paid so they

1432
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: can only focus in this job before, you know, like

1433
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 2: it was mandatory jobs for the refs. Now you know

1434
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:39,440
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like we put them on the salaries

1435
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: so like they can come and work and seven, and

1436
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: you're trying to do some education stuff with the young

1437
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: kids so you can put them in the high school

1438
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: and the college. Like so if you look at it overall,

1439
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: you know that's how you wanted to be to bring it,

1440
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: you know, like a legacy.

1441
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 4: I know it was probably some bigger I know that

1442
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 4: was just one side of you saying it, but I

1443
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 4: know it was something even bigger than like you're saying,

1444
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 4: bigger than that of bringing these kids, educating them, getting

1445
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 4: them something that they ain't never had before. It's an

1446
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 4: easier route to get you to where you're trying to

1447
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 4: go if you're trying to go to this basketball route,

1448
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 4: you know.

1449
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: Because my wife says sometimes like like why do they

1450
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: have to go through this? You know what I'm saying,

1451
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: Like I swear to God, like it's so funny, Like

1452
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: you go to the games in Turkey, like ten thousand people,

1453
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like that's why, like I

1454
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 2: really love coming here because like I really have to

1455
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: clear my mind because like the people like who were

1456
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: loving you what you did here? Now you the top

1457
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 2: of the organization. You know what I'm saying. So the

1458
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 2: things come ahead of everything, like beinging and losing. So

1459
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 2: like when the things go bad, like ten thousand people

1460
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: is like booing for you. You know what I'm saying,

1461
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: like a Philly fan. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1462
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: Like crazy, like I said, like like it's you know,

1463
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: like I can't do nothing about it, like somebody has

1464
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: to lose, somebody asks you to win. But like the

1465
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 2: craziness about it. So like I come to the game here,

1466
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like people go crazy. Even

1467
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: my daughter goes crazy, like she's fourteen years old. Like

1468
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 2: we went to the game the other day, you know,

1469
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: like people give me like a standing ovation. You know

1470
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like, so like you go back home,

1471
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 2: it's to your own country, ten thousand people for you.

1472
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: You come here to Orlando, to the state, twenty thousand

1473
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 2: people cheer for you know what I'm saying. Like, so

1474
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 2: it was like deple mentality. That's why, like I try

1475
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: to balance it, you know, like both sides, you know,

1476
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: like I still have things to accomplish over there, but

1477
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 2: also love coming here, you know, like hanging out to

1478
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 2: people that you know, like I've been around here my

1479
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: family and my friends and all that. So but like

1480
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: you said, it's not going to change. Like the look,

1481
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: it's not going to change at all. Yeah, But like

1482
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: doing other things, you know what I'm saying, you can

1483
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: show people that you weren't just like people. It's like

1484
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 2: you made this much money, like you should be just

1485
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 2: chilling and smoking, drinking and all that. That's what I'm saying.

1486
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 2: I still do do those stuff. You know what I'm saying.

1487
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: I still drink. I still you know I'm saying, like

1488
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 2: smoke my cigar, you know what I'm saying. But also

1489
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: trying to build something that hasn't done. That's kind of

1490
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: keeps me happy.

1491
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 4: The next generation. Yeah, that's what I do my classic

1492
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 4: for I try to give them an easier route than

1493
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:29,879
Speaker 4: what I had to take.

1494
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: Because we all went through like difficult times.

1495
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 5: Man.

1496
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Like I said, like I

1497
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: told you before, in the beginning, I had to live

1498
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: in like six hundred square feet guesthouse. You know what

1499
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And if you look at it back in

1500
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: the day, you are sixteen pick NBA, you know what

1501
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But like if you look at it in

1502
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 2: the background. I live in the guest house. You know

1503
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, so we all have to go

1504
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: through things. So like the financial advice is we give

1505
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 2: to the kid. It's you know what I'm saying, like

1506
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: what to do with your money and all that. You

1507
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, That we all did crazy stuff.

1508
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 2: We lost so much money with stupidness. You know what

1509
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, but that's how you feel me like

1510
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 2: makes me, you know, like happy about it. Is Like

1511
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: even if I can't help to one kid, I know,

1512
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: you guys did so many things, so many you know

1513
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like when you grow up. You know

1514
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, you guys help so many players.

1515
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I look at it right now in

1516
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: these NBA teams, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's

1517
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: the thing I feel upset about it. Not all of them,

1518
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: some of them, does you know what I'm saying, Like

1519
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 2: I give credit to the Miami Spurs. You know what

1520
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like they have all these ex players. You

1521
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like they're part of the organization.

1522
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But you look look at

1523
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 2: the other organizations. You know what I'm saying, like they

1524
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 2: don't have those players. You know what I'm saying, So

1525
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: who's gonna help these young kids? You know what I'm saying,

1526
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 2: Like how they gonna grow? What I'm saying, like you

1527
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 2: look at the coaching staffs, they are more rookie than

1528
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 2: the goddamn players. I'm saying. You know what I'm saying,

1529
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Like it doesn't for me, it doesn't match certain things,

1530
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 2: like you need guys like you know what I'm saying,

1531
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: like who can be walking? You know what I'm saying,

1532
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 2: like help because things not going to be easier throughout

1533
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: the season. You know I'm saying, but you look at

1534
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: the guys like you're looking at You're looking at like

1535
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 2: coaching staff probably in the high school. You know what

1536
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, that that would have been to the NBA

1537
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: fucking games, forget it. You know what I'm saying, that

1538
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 2: right to the arena, in the arena. Now he's behind

1539
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 2: the bench trying to help to the kids. You know

1540
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like have to play? What to do?

1541
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, that's fine. Look

1542
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 2: at those organizations they're not successful.

1543
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 3: Tell me there as you was here basically for you know,

1544
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 3: when the White was a rookie and you watched his

1545
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 3: growth in his ascent to dominance and all that. How

1546
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 3: do you feel when you see that he didn't make

1547
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 3: the top seventy five? Like we play, we know, like

1548
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,919
Speaker 3: was no matter like no matter what was more opinion

1549
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 3: of him or whatever personal is Just like in my opinion,

1550
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 3: his who his basketball is speaks for itself. Like you,

1551
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 3: I want to hear your take on it from your

1552
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 3: perspective because you play more years with him than I did.

1553
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 3: But we both know the dominance that he exhibited for

1554
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 3: for how many years it was and he should have

1555
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 3: been part of that list.

1556
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 2: What's your take? That's the thing, like I always trying

1557
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 2: to explain to people, man like if you put personalities, problems,

1558
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 2: you're playing, et cetera in the same bucket. You know

1559
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, that's how you've fucked up things.

1560
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's how for me, NBA

1561
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: really fucked up in this one. You know what I'm

1562
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: saying because I know the word. There's some stupid stuff,

1563
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 2: some crazy stuff, you know what I'm saying. But still

1564
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: you can't trash his fu. You know what I'm saying,

1565
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 2: what he did, he can't. You know what I'm saying,

1566
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 2: Like he he was. I'm not saying that I was

1567
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 2: his teammate. It was obvious, it was he was the

1568
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: best at time. You know what I'm saying, Like what

1569
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: he was doing. You know what I'm saying. So if

1570
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: you're trying to put all his personality this what he did,

1571
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, you know what I'm saying, then you

1572
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 2: have to look everybody's from.

1573
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 3: The like nobody perfect, nobody, but it was perfect, and

1574
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 3: you can't be like it's more, he's less.

1575
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like you can't. That's why, like,

1576
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 2: that's why always fell like NBA really mess it up

1577
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: on that one.

1578
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: Bro.

1579
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 2: You have to give the guy the credit, man, you

1580
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that, So he really deserve it.

1581
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 3: But you remember when I first started playing, I told her,

1582
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 3: I said, I ain't never played with nobody like this.

1583
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 3: This boy. He made me change the whole I was

1584
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 3: defending and everything. He shut down the entire lane. You

1585
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 3: remember when I first got there, he I was accustomed to, Like,

1586
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 3: all right, somebody bought me or get by me up,

1587
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 3: like you're gonna to earn this at the line, I'm

1588
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: gonna take a hard one on you. Man, I'll be

1589
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 3: failing somebody. And it's like, God, damn solar eclips come

1590
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: over the top. All you see is a big ass

1591
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 3: shadow and he likes as they blowing the whistles, I'm

1592
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 3: taking the fault. He like, no, I'm my god, it

1593
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 3: would over the top man, that you for taking the fire.

1594
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: I had to like rethink my mind of like not

1595
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 3: fat like big fella got you if you if if

1596
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 3: he get balue, big fella coming. I'm talking about not

1597
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 3: just that you you know, picking rolls. I don't get

1598
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 3: d Rod CP whoever the best point guards out there.

1599
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: Man, he he had jump out on the.

1600
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 3: Man now and poked that thing and like like for real,

1601
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 3: the best I'm like, yo, big fella crazy defensively like man, please,

1602
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 3: that alone should have put him in there.

1603
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't improve my defense. It was on

1604
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: reason because he was out there waiting for you, you know

1605
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So but like still, man, like what

1606
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 2: he did you know what I'm saying, like or how

1607
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 2: he you know, like approached the when I didn't like

1608
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 2: it at that time, you know what I'm saying, Like

1609
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 2: when I was playing, because like like he had bad

1610
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 2: people are on him, what I'm saying, Like, especially like

1611
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 2: after we went to the finals, you know what I'm saying,

1612
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 2: Like even coming to the finals, he always had his

1613
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: in mind, like like he was trying to be focusing

1614
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 2: on different things than you know what I'm saying, like

1615
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 2: focusing on basketball, you know what I'm saying. Like so

1616
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 2: on the end, you know what I'm saying, like he

1617
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: fuck it up because like he started talking behind stand

1618
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 2: he wanted to change and all that. You know what

1619
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like that's how things for me went.

1620
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: When he had it perfect, right, it was perfect.

1621
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 2: It was perfect him, Like he could have built like

1622
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 2: a great legacy. Here saying, but.

1623
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 4: I gave a statue of I'm serious, like because and

1624
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 4: he could have still you know, like put up that

1625
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 4: kind of numbers.

1626
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 2: He's there was, he there was. It was just a

1627
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 2: fucked up combination. But like he had like people around him,

1628
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like they were just gassing up,

1629
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: like or you need to take more shots, you need

1630
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 2: to do this, you know what I'm saying, like because like, oh,

1631
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: Carmela was doing this and Lebron doing this, and he's

1632
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 2: doing this, He's averaging this and that. You know, I said,

1633
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 2: like the guy was just averaging like without doing nothing.

1634
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 2: He was averaging like twenty three twenty four a game,

1635
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 2: like you like doing nothing but post spools or nothing.

1636
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 3: And not only that, he was out voting everybody in

1637
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 3: all start Kobe, Lebron, name them. It didn't matter, It

1638
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 3: didn't matter. They couldn't touch Big Fellow. For that three

1639
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 3: to four year stretch, he was numero uno.

1640
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 2: But like they think, he didn't realize for me, you know,

1641
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 2: like he was trying to put up numbers, you know,

1642
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 2: like he was trying to like get to fifty twenty

1643
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 2: five and twenty six. I was like, bro, you shooting

1644
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 2: forty percent on fucking free throws, you make seventy percent

1645
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 2: on your free toe, you will be twenty five a game.

1646
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Because I he used to

1647
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 2: get foul, Like I remember like one game how many he.

1648
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Was like he was like top to a league of

1649
01:31:59,120 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: going to the.

1650
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 2: Free fifteen to twenty a game. You know what I'm saying,

1651
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 2: Like and you miss half of it and you look

1652
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 2: at it overall during this season, you know, like but

1653
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 2: like he had those you know, like he's I don't

1654
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 2: want to throw everybody under the bus, but like some

1655
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 2: of them I remember they were just like, oh, you're

1656
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 2: the best player. Standings against you standings then know, man,

1657
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: like as the people you know, like it's really fucked

1658
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 2: you up. But still no matter what, you know, like

1659
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: what he did for himself and because what he did

1660
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: for himself, you know what I'm saying, like he still

1661
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: should have been a top seventy five man because I

1662
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: look at some names out there, no disrespect what they did,

1663
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 2: but like the guy did as good as they did. Man,

1664
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 2: Big Smeller was the problem.

1665
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 4: If you had to name four teammates like that you

1666
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 4: played with out of any teams you played with, four

1667
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 4: other teammates to play with you who would be the

1668
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 4: other four teammates?

1669
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 2: And you're going against whoever out.

1670
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Of any team you play for me another four?

1671
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:05,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know the other four from Sacramento, San Antonio, Orlando,

1672
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 4: like everywhere you win, you named four other people who

1673
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 4: would be the four?

1674
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 2: I don't know the White or Lottie which one? Oh boy?

1675
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,679
Speaker 3: Yeah what am I five?

1676
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah? You got name four more because.

1677
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get I won't take me out testified. Uh wow,

1678
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 2: let me tell you the bags I play with t

1679
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 2: d mm hmmm. We forgot about between Tim, Chris and

1680
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 2: the white So you put the boy started with five.

1681
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 2: One is the four. So you're kind of cool there

1682
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 2: about TV playing four.

1683
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 4: Tim Doncy, that's if he want to go t d C.

1684
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 4: You want to play, that's if he want to play

1685
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 4: the four of the three?

1686
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 3: You know, like sure you had you got a problem here.

1687
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 3: What you're gonna do this one one of the top

1688
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 3: teens that we're gonna do a bracket turt. We're gonna

1689
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 3: have everybody love five. You're gonna have a tough, fast five.

1690
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Either way you go. I'm thinking about his point guards.

1691
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,679
Speaker 1: Will Billy Baby Parker.

1692
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, TP.

1693
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: Boy, he got Paiger Mino.

1694
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 2: This is what I'm telling you. What I'm saying, I

1695
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 2: don't want to put myself in there. Go here, you

1696
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 2: the six man, go with your need.

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01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: You went because you gotta be part of it because

1698
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:44,679
Speaker 1: it's your group.

1699
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 2: So I'll put Tim Duncan okay at the four or five?

1700
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 1: Chris Webber, Oh, Tim and Chris.

1701
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 2: For that's that's killer already, that's killer. That's what I

1702
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 2: put myself as a tree. Okay, I'll pitched you nobally

1703
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 2: two two, dang, I need the point, gud, I need

1704
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: to point gud. I gotta shout out to the white

1705
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 2: chocolate man.

1706
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 3: You're gonna go with bugs, was my guy, man Man

1707
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 3: over TV, so we all marked that. Then he got

1708
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 3: over TP Mike.

1709
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 2: That's why I said baby man at first, that of

1710
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 2: course serious though, so white I would have put I

1711
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 2: would have put like I would have put page over

1712
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 2: me as a tree. You know what I'm saying, Like yeah,

1713
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: so like that's why I'll take mana anytime.

1714
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 4: So mano, white chocolate you t d whatever.

1715
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: That's a nice fat, that's a nice fa.

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01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 2: So you have in the backup, you know, like dang,

1717
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 2: yeah a time. Man. Let me ask you this though.

1718
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 2: This one of the questions I like to ask.

1719
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 3: Like you talked about how like your first couple of years,

1720
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 3: you you know, you were sending money back to the crib,

1721
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 3: putting things away, and I just want to know you

1722
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 3: said you did a lot of stupid things. I want

1723
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 3: to hear one of the crazy things you did, like

1724
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 3: when you felt like man, I.

1725
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 2: Got that bag. I got a little.

1726
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 3: Let me let me treat turk one time, like what

1727
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 3: did what did my boy do?

1728
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 2: Like? What did you do? I don't know? What was it? Car?

1729
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 2: I like your ear ring? You know what? What? What

1730
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 2: was it? What did you do? I was this close.

1731
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 2: I was dis close. I was dis close to a

1732
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 2: plane back out here. When was you gonna buy? What

1733
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: kind of plane? Was a small one like the small

1734
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: private j I was disclose.

1735
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: How much was it?

1736
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 2: Though? It was like five million? It was?

1737
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,759
Speaker 3: He said small? He said, wasn't that much? Like five million,

1738
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,559
Speaker 3: that's a lot of money. But you were just saying

1739
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,560
Speaker 3: twenty million, like.

1740
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 2: Like if you look at like the biggest you know,

1741
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 2: like the private judge. You know what I'm saying, Like, right,

1742
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 2: I was just trying to do like twenty nineteen, okay,

1743
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,640
Speaker 2: so yeah, you you way under that. So because I

1744
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,000
Speaker 2: was looking for like flying in in Turkey, like back

1745
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth to Europe. You know what

1746
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, well, I was just close. Now I'm

1747
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 2: not saying the cars, Yeah, the boats I had, you

1748
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Wait what you said a boat? Cars?

1749
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 3: And you said boats with the s you said b

1750
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 3: O T b O A T S. You said boats

1751
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 3: that clue how many boats ye had?

1752
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: At some point? I had three? Now what's the biggest

1753
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 2: the biggest boats? Yeah, was it at ten feet? That's

1754
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: I don't like, I don't I don't know boat language.

1755
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 2: Like you guys should come to Turkey man you guys, Yeah,

1756
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: beautiful beaches, you know, like you can go chill.

1757
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 3: But beaches, beaches, ladies and gentlemen are like you know,

1758
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to go to the language border beach people,

1759
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 3: he said, bitches is something, he said, beaches everybody beaches.

1760
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to get cut up on that one.

1761
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 2: I got you so, but like I dropped it right

1762
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 2: now like that time, I was like going crazy. So

1763
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 2: like right now I just have we the Turkey. I

1764
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 2: have like two right now before like I had three.

1765
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 2: I have to like my wife, I have one small

1766
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: in the boss for us in Istanbul. You know what

1767
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like like two continental the wide by water

1768
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 2: like European and Asian side. So like summertime, it's beautiful

1769
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 2: and you have the south side of the Turkey like

1770
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: you go to with your family with your friends, you

1771
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 2: hang out, you know, Like like so I got a

1772
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 2: little bit big get over there.

1773
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 3: So man, I'm gonna have to Hey, listen, man, we're

1774
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,799
Speaker 3: gonna have to pull up the turkey man.

1775
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 2: Have my main man lay it out.

1776
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, taste that we have beautiful beaches.

1777
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 2: We do my wife like beaches, beautiful man for the kids.

1778
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 2: Like you're don't have to worry about sharks and all that,

1779
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 2: you know, like that's really nothing of them.

1780
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 3: So can I tell Turkey that the knuckleheads could be

1781
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 3: coming soon?

1782
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 2: Listen, man, summertime, you guys more than welcome. Anytime. June

1783
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 2: and July you guys more than welcome. You know, I

1784
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 2: take people up on offers, so listen, we can't take

1785
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 2: my offer on that one, for sure.

1786
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,560
Speaker 3: He already said he the man in them feeling the

1787
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 3: vibes you're giving off. I feel like you're gonna be

1788
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 3: like when when Jackie Chan brought.

1789
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 2: Chris Tucker too. Boy's gonna be on.

1790
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 3: We're gonna be hanging out, not on the the stuff,

1791
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 3: but on the good stuff.

1792
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 2: Good stuff for sure. All right, that's a wrap, man.

1793
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 3: We live on locations from right here in Orlando. This

1794
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 3: is our first time going to Europe and breaking news

1795
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 3: we might be coming to Turkey soon.

1796
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: Is it a go Turk? Definitely, it's a goal man Man.

1797
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 3: We appreciate my man Turk for pulling up Man, the

1798
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 3: international sensation, the legend from Turkey.

1799
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 2: He do Turker glue everybody.

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01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: It's Stan Bull.

1801
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 2: Appreciate her Man, appreciate it all right.

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01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:34,960
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