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Speaker 1: How's it going, everybody? Go fish Eli Sussman here for

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Speaker 1: Stripes on YouTube as well in all those other places,

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Speaker 1: coverage heading into this exciting twenty twenty year heads up,

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Speaker 1: I'll be toying around with some different audio production elements

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Speaker 1: on this episode, such as this segue into Marlin's weekly news,

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Speaker 1: taking notes of all the team's transactions and announcements since

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Speaker 1: the previous fish Bites. We have a couple trades to discuss,

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Speaker 1: don't we. When the Marlins had agreed to terms with

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Speaker 1: outfielder Corey Dickerson and catcher Francisco Cervelli, their forty man

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Speaker 1: roster was completely full, which forced the Marlins to designate

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Speaker 1: and make those signings of fish. They decided to continue

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Speaker 1: what's been somewhat of a trend this offseason, which is

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Speaker 1: totally revamping their entire major league bullpen, coming off a

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Speaker 1: year where they really struggled, especially down the stretch. We

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Speaker 1: and the most recent ones that their situations were just

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Speaker 1: first one being Kyle Keller, who had just made his

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Speaker 1: it on. He was traded to the Angels for catching

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Speaker 1: all things considered, It's the type of trade that I

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Speaker 1: He's heading into his age twenty season and he has

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Speaker 1: a reliever gets over the course of the season, a

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Speaker 1: couple bad outings could sour his entire stat line for

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Speaker 1: the season. So none of these guys are safe bets.

435
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Speaker 1: But you'd like to see the team at least make

436
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Speaker 1: an effort to improve. What exactly are they going to

437
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: be looking for in relievers in free agency? Well, I

438
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: think the easiest prerequisite is to have somebody that has

439
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: closing experience, because you look across the entire organization right

440
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: now and there's nobody. There's nobody on the Marlins forty

441
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Speaker 1: manter roster. The stat that has been circulating quite a

442
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: bit is that the career saves leader among anybody on

443
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: the active roster is Drew Steckenrider, with six saves coming

444
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: off a very serious elbow injury and a very bad

445
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen season, He's the one that has saved more

446
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Speaker 1: games than anybody else on the Marlins roster. And if

447
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Speaker 1: you want to expand that a little bit, among all

448
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Speaker 1: the pitchers they'll have in major league camp, Ryan Cook

449
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: has seventeen career saves. He was an All Star with

450
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: the Oakland A's about eight years ago. He most recently

451
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: was pitching in Japan. He's several years removed from having

452
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: anything close to an average major league season, but at

453
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: least he has some experience in that situation the intangibles

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Speaker 1: to handle it if he does make the roster seventeen saves.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be the threshold that I'm looking for

456
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Speaker 1: in free agents is somebody with more saves than anybody

457
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Speaker 1: currently in Marlin's major league camp. We're looking at pitchers

458
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Speaker 1: with at least eighteen career saves. Another issue with Marlins

459
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: last year was too many free passes. As a bullpen, overall,

460
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: they walked about eleven percent of all batters faced. That

461
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Speaker 1: that includes some with the bases loaded to walk in

462
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Speaker 1: extra runs. This team did not have consistency throwing strikes,

463
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: and that's partially reflected in some of the moves they've

464
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Speaker 1: made this offseason, the addition by subtraction, getting rid of

465
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Speaker 1: guys that cannot throw strikes in high leverage situations. If

466
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Speaker 1: they're looking to add, if they're looking to spend real

467
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: money on one other reliever, it should preferably be a

468
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Speaker 1: guy that has some track record in the majors of

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Speaker 1: being able to go after hitters. That's going to be

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Speaker 1: another criteria we look at is a career walk rate

471
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Speaker 1: below ten percent, at least eighteen career saves, walk right

472
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Speaker 1: below ten percent, and somebody that actually pitched in the

473
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: majors in twenty nineteen that means having a guy that

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Speaker 1: is definitely going to be available to pitch on opening Day,

475
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Speaker 1: especially during the start of the season. They have some

476
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: exciting prospects that might be ready to break through during

477
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Speaker 1: this season, and some internal roles, particularly guys like George

478
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Guzman and Alex Vesia, guys that have very interesting skill

479
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: sets that could potentially translate into great relief work during

480
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Speaker 1: this season, not as opening day candidates. So you want

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Speaker 1: guys who pitched this past year at least eighteen career

482
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Speaker 1: saves who walk less than ten percent of their datter's face.

483
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Speaker 1: And I came up with the list of nine pitchers,

484
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Speaker 1: and as I'll explain later, there's really only six clear

485
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Speaker 1: candidates that I believe the Marlins should be ready to

486
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: spend on in free agency. And frankly, it would be

487
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: great if they picked up multiple pitchers from the following

488
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Speaker 1: list to reinforce their twenty twenty bullpen. With less than

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Speaker 1: one month until pitchers and catchers report to Jupiter, the

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Speaker 1: first of our free agent relief targets for the Marlins,

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Speaker 1: just going in alphabetical order, Cody Allen. Cody Allen, best

492
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: known for being a very good closer for the Cleveland Indians.

493
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: But this past year with the Angels was a big

494
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: departure from his prime form A six two six era,

495
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: a eight point thirty nine fielder independent pitching nearly one

496
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: win below replacement level only twenty three innings last season

497
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Speaker 1: before he was released. The Angels paid quite a bit

498
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Speaker 1: I think eight and a half million dollars to bring

499
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: him in, if not as their closer, then at least

500
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: as a very important late ending arm. And he was

501
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: a total bust. And this is somewhat of a continuation

502
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Speaker 1: of a trends that had showed itself the previous year

503
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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen with the Indians. That's why they didn't

504
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: make a strong effort to resign him. But for his

505
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: career overall, he's been really good in the majors. A

506
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: three fourteen er three point four to three fielder independent pitching,

507
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: about seven wins above replacement, four hundred and sixty four

508
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: career endings in the majors, and he just barely meets

509
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: the standard that I said a moment ago about walk rate.

510
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: His career walk rate, after being bloated last year, is

511
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Speaker 1: now up to nine point nine percent. We wanted to

512
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Speaker 1: keep it below ten percent, and another discouraging trend is

513
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: that his four seam fastball has been losing its oomph

514
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: to it. He's a two pitch pitcher, just a four

515
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: seemer and a curve. During his prime, his four seemer

516
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: said ninety five ninety six miles per hour. There's a

517
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: good differential between that and the curve, and this past

518
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: year a career low ninety two point two miles per

519
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: hour on average with that pitch. So this is a

520
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: guy that was heading in the wrong direction. He's not

521
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: that far removed from being one of the better relievers

522
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Speaker 1: in the majors, though, So he's someone that I believe

523
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: could be had potentially on a minor league deal, not

524
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Speaker 1: even on a major league deal. This whole exercise is

525
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: built around the idea that the Marlins need late ending experience,

526
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 1: and they need and they should spend the money that

527
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: they were able to save in their pre arbitration negotiations.

528
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Speaker 1: So Alan, he's name that came up on this query

529
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: when we looked at guys with a certain amount of saves,

530
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: the walk rate, the recency of pitching in the majors,

531
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Speaker 1: and at least one hundred career relief appearances in the Majors.

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Speaker 1: He checked all those boxes, some of them just barely.

533
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: He's clearly not a prime target for the Marlins at

534
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: this stage, but he's someone that as they fill out

535
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: their non roster invite te list to spring training, maybe

536
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: he's someone that would expect a certain amount of performance

537
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: bonuses if he mixed roster. I'm totally fine with that.

538
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: I think this is a nice, low risk, solid reward

539
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: pickup that the Marlins should seriously consider. Next up alphabetical order,

540
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Speaker 1: we're going with Luke Gregorson, who had a seven nine

541
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Speaker 1: to four RA in the majors last year, but a

542
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: three point h four field or independent pitching all that's

543
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: really messy because it was such a small sample size,

544
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: only five and two thirds endings pitched last year as

545
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Speaker 1: he dealt with some injuries. Clearly on the downside of

546
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Speaker 1: his career, but it's been an excellent career overall, a

547
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: three point fifteen RA in the majors, a three eighteen FIP,

548
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: and nearly nine wins above replacement over the course of

549
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: six hundred and seventeen innings. His last solid season came

550
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: with the Astros in twenty sixteen, and more so than

551
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: anybody on this list, he tries to get you with

552
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: his unconventional delivery rather than with his raw stuff. His

553
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: main pitch is his sinker, which only averaged eighty six

554
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: point four miles per hour last year. He also has

555
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: a slider and a four seamer. A little unclear what

556
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: his price would be. Its possible He's could be had

557
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: on a incentive Leyden Minor League deal, just like Alan could.

558
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Speaker 1: Might cost a little bit more than that because Gregorson

559
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: he had quite a bit of success in his past,

560
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: primarily with the Padres, also with the Astros. Just another

561
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: guy who has been there and done that quite a bit,

562
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Speaker 1: and for competitive teams as well. Not so much to Padres,

563
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: but those Astros teams that contended for the playoffs in

564
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. Gregorson has been around and

565
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: the fact that he was able to do it back

566
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Speaker 1: in the day with most people who consider well below

567
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: average stuff. He could be a very valuable voice to

568
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: bring into spring training and to counsel some of the

569
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: young arms of the Marlins are going to be relying

570
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: on quite a bit in the next few years. Next

571
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Speaker 1: on the list Jeremy Jeffris a five h two era

572
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: last year a three point nine six fielder independent pitching

573
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: zero point two wins above replacement, and that was over

574
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: the course of fifty two innings pitched. Our friends at

575
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: Marlon Maniac and also at the Fish Across the Ponds

576
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: podcast both advocated for signing Jeffris, and after looking deep

577
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: into this and more so at the lack of decent

578
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: alternatives on the market, I could definitely see why the

579
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: Marlins would be a fit for him. He is a

580
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: three to sixteen career era, a three sixty two career FIP,

581
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: about four wins above replacement in over four hundred career

582
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: innings in the majors. Jeffries has better raw stuff then,

583
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Speaker 1: certainly than Gregorson does, and you could say even better

584
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: than Cody Allen at this stage of their respective career.

585
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: His sinker averages almost ninety four miles per hour. He's

586
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: got a four seemer, he's got a cutter, he has

587
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: a splitter. He's a ground ball specialist, as you would

588
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: probably guess by the sinker A fifty seven career ground

589
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: ball rate, although a little concerning that that took a

590
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: big dip last year back down to being much closer

591
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: to the league average when he's on, he's able to

592
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: get a lot of really harmless contact, a lot of

593
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Speaker 1: ground balls. As the Marlins are shaping up right now defensively,

594
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: potential especially later in the year, to be a really

595
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: good defensive team of course with Miguil Rojas, depending on

596
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: how much Brian Anderson plays at third base, expecting some

597
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: improvement from Isan Diez, and if later in the year

598
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Speaker 1: Leywin Diaz gets called up at first base. But even

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00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: in the meantime, someone like Haitius Agalar actually has a

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00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: good defensive reputation. There's another connection there that I actually

601
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: hadn't thought of when preparing the podcast, between Jeffries and

602
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Aguilar and also Jonathan vr all three of them played

603
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: together for the Milwaukee Brewers for a certain stretch at time,

604
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: at this stage of the offseason when there's just not

605
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: that many alternatives out there and free agency, I think

606
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: those relationships matter. So that's another reason why Jefferies could

607
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: make sense despite the bloated era that he had last year,

608
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: considering how good he was just the previous year. He's

609
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: one of the most effective relievers in baseball. On those

610
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Brewers, he's gonna command a major league deal

611
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: for sure, probably just a one year deal, no more

612
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: than a couple million dollars. But he's someone that I

613
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: would definitely like to see the Marlins if they haven't

614
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Speaker 1: already to engage with. Jeffers well regarded for being an

615
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: energetic individual in the clubhouse, and I think most importantly,

616
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Speaker 1: over the last five years he has averaged sixty three

617
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: appearances per season, so hardly any serious injuries whatsoever in

618
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: his recent history, despite now being in his mid thirties,

619
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't be all that expensive to acquire him, and someone

620
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: that come the trade deadline if he's been really successful,

621
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: teams can look at his track record and feel pretty

622
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: confident that they can acquire him and expect him to

623
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: contribute down the stretch and be willing to give up

624
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: some interesting young pieces for the Marlins to further reinforce

625
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: their future free agent reliever candidate number four Sean Kelly

626
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: a four point ninety four ERA last year five point

627
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: five to two FIP. He was slightly below replacement level overall,

628
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Speaker 1: and that was over the course of forty seven and

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Speaker 1: the third innings pitched his career. Overall, not quite as

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Speaker 1: impressive as the others that we've discussed three eighty ERA

631
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: three ninety eight FIP more or less just your average

632
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: middle reliever setup man at times. He's pitched a lot

633
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: in the majors four hundred and sixty four and two

634
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: thirds sendings pitched his only one career year where he

635
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: really stuck in the bullpen at major league level throughout

636
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: the whole season. So that's a pretty big departure for Jeffers,

637
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: who has been very consistent at at least staying healthy

638
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: in the major leagues. Kelly only has one full full

639
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: major league season, and that was with the Nationals in

640
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. A two pitch pitcher, slider and a four seemer.

641
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: The four seemer averages about ninety two miles per hour,

642
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: So he's not the sexiest option on this list for sure.

643
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Not sure what the big upside is with him. I mean,

644
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: given the way that the market is this offseason, there's

645
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: a chance that he requires a major league deal, but

646
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: I have to imagine that he would be cheaper than

647
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: Jeffers because of just his overall body of work isn't

648
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Speaker 1: quite as good, and especially over the past couple years,

649
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: not quite the same guy. But he has at times

650
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: had some excellent swing and miss stuff at his very

651
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: best between those two pitches. When he has when he's

652
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: tunneling as he as you want between the four seamer

653
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: and the slider and keeping head ears guessing by throwing

654
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: them almost in any counts and throwing those two pitches

655
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: almost interchangeably, he can have decent stretches of success. So

656
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: Kelly is not the flashiest guy, but we are going

657
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: with the players that came up in this query. He

658
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: does have some closing experience, just like Alan and Gregorson

659
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and Jeffers does at times in his career, and someone that.

660
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Speaker 1: Considering the current state of the Marlins bullpen, you bring

661
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Speaker 1: in Kelly, and I think he makes the group overall

662
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: slightly deeper than it currently is. My favorite option on

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Speaker 1: this entire list is Brandon Kinsler, who had a two

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Speaker 1: six to eight ERA last year a three point five

665
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: to six FIP about one win above replacement in fifty

666
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: seven endings for the Cubs. He had also previously pitched

667
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: with Brewers and perhaps most notably with the Twins for

668
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: career a three point three seven ERA a three point

669
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Speaker 1: seventy three FIP over four hundred innings. There's he's interesting.

670
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: He's interesting because he's not all that flashy like Jeffries.

671
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: He's a ground ball machine. His career ground ball right

672
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: is almost the same as as Jeffers is, and including

673
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: last year, So that's the main distinction between him and Jeffries.

674
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Speaker 1: It's what's gonna get Kinseler paid. I think better than

675
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: anybody else on this list is that even as recently

676
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Speaker 1: as last year, he was pretty close to his peak form.

677
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: He was doing all the things that had made him

678
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Speaker 1: successful in the past handful of years. He has a sinker,

679
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Speaker 1: change up, slider, very occasionally a four seamer. As I

680
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: dug into this, I was actually kind of surprised that

681
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: he throws as hard as he does. I'd always thought

682
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: of him as somewhat of a junk baller because he

683
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: doesn't really miss a ton of bats. But his sinker

684
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: actually averaged ninety two and a half miles per hour

685
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: last season, So he throws almost as hard as Jefferson does,

686
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: and at least last year he threw slightly harder than

687
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Cody Allen does, so that certainly doesn't match the perception

688
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: that those both those players have. I like him a lot.

689
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: I think he's very clearly the best free agent reliever

690
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: remaining on the market, and we saw a lot of

691
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: guys at the top end of the market get more

692
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: than was expected. The Marlins had interest, we believe in

693
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Speaker 1: Sergio Romo, and weren't weren't willing to guarantee him five

694
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Speaker 1: million dollars that he got to return to the Twins.

695
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Speaker 1: So we'll see how what their tolerance is for Kinseler.

696
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: He should be slightly cheaper than Romo, I'm not totally

697
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: sure on that. Again, the impetus for this whole conversation

698
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: is that the Marlins are spending less on their twenty

699
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: twenty roster than they did in twenty nineteen, so they

700
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Speaker 1: should have some wiggle room here where he really shouldn't

701
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Speaker 1: be all that much about the price point at this point.

702
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: They should be willing to bid against just about any

703
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: other team that's still looking for relief help. But Kinseler

704
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: is a guy that just based on his most recent year,

705
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: is his career overall, He's going to draw interest from

706
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: some competitive teams as well. If he's a guy that

707
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: really prioritizes being on a contending team, because he has

708
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: been in the past before with the Cubs. He also

709
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: pitched with the Nationals. I should mention that briefly the

710
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: year before and then with when the Brewers and the Twins.

711
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy that in most of his

712
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: years and the Majors, his team has been in the

713
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: mix at least for a playoff spot. So that preference

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Speaker 1: may have a role here and what team he ultimately

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Speaker 1: goes to, but I think the Marlin should be making

716
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: him their top priority at this point in the offseason.

717
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Speaker 1: And the final featured reliever that we're going to discuss

718
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Speaker 1: here is Blake Parker, who had a five I should say,

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Speaker 1: the final featured reliever we're going to discuss here is

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Speaker 1: Blake Parker, a four point five to five ERA five

721
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Speaker 1: point seven field or independent pitching about replacement level over

722
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: the course of sixty one and a third innings pitched.

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Speaker 1: If you've seen Parker, he has a very unconventional delivery,

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Speaker 1: a very deliberate delivery that I think if he's on

725
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: your team, you really like the quirkiness. If you're facing him,

726
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: you're kind of irritated by it and how deliberate he

727
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: is to slow down the game. First career in the

728
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: Major's a three point five to six ERA FIP slightly

729
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Speaker 1: below four over the course of two hundred and eighty

730
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Speaker 1: five and two thirds innings pitched, doesn't throw hard ninety

731
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Speaker 1: one mile an hour fastball, also throws a splitter, a curveball,

732
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: and an occasional cutter, so he mixes those pitches up

733
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: falls into the same category. I would say as Sean

734
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: Kelly where not coming off a particularly good year. He

735
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: seems to be passed his peak, but he does have

736
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: some background closing games. If you do have to sign

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00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: him to a major league deal, it's not going to

738
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Speaker 1: be with all that much of a guarantee attached to it.

739
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Speaker 1: So my optimal approach to this relief situation is either

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Speaker 1: Kinseler or Jeffries. I don't think he could go wrong

741
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Speaker 1: with either of those two and then pairing them with

742
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Speaker 1: one of these other secondary guys, whether it's Alan gregorson

743
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Kelly or Parker. Bringing in two guys as tight as

744
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: the current roster is, and although that's been a challenge

745
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: all off seasons, fine space on the forty man roster

746
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: without giving up on any intriguing young guys. This bullpen

747
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: could be a disaster. I mean, as things currently stand,

748
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: it could be the worst bullpen in the Majors last year.

749
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Speaker 1: I guess we were thinking that last year, and then

750
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Speaker 1: Romo had a good bounce back and Nick Anderson kind

751
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere to be really great. But overall,

752
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: this team is not really setting itself up to take

753
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: a huge leap forward unless they pay more attention and

754
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: invest a little bit more in this relief course. Just

755
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: a quick mention of a couple other guys that came

756
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: up on the same search when I was looking for

757
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: guys with closing experience who throw strikes pitched in the

758
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: Majors last year. Tommy Hunter came up there, but he

759
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: had surgery on his elbow late last summer, not fully

760
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: trustworthy to be available for the start of the season.

761
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: He's had a good career, but the timing isn't right.

762
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: Jen mar Gomez, you may remember, was the closer for

763
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: the Phillies at the nator of their rebuild, a guy

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Speaker 1: that got an opportunity kind of by default because they

765
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: didn't have any other good options in their bullpen, But

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Speaker 1: he is so far removed from pitching in any important endings.

767
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Speaker 1: He just hasn't been a significant pitcher in the Majors

768
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Speaker 1: since the middle of that Phillies rebuilds about four or

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00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: five years ago. And also Sam Dyson's name came up

770
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Speaker 1: in the search. He's a former Marlin. He was decent

771
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: last year in the major leagues, although a little inconsistent.

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Speaker 1: I just had to cross him off this list because

773
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball is still investigating him for a potential

774
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: domestic violence incident. The Marlins, especially this new ownership, have

775
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: been pretty clear about avoiding anybody anybody that has these

776
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of serious character questions about him. Zero towerance policy

777
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: for guys potentially involved with harming another person or skirting

778
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: the rules in any other way. So he's a pretty

779
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: clear no for me at this stage based on the

780
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: details that we currently have about his significant other. But

781
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: even with that, you got six names that I think

782
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: are pretty clear upgrades for the Marlins bullpen that could

783
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: be important veteran presences in spring training. Even if some

784
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: of those guys aren't quite major league calver at this stage,

785
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: even if they don't make the team, it's important for

786
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: the Marlins to bring in sage veterans to be around

787
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: their younger arms. This is a rebuild that is going

788
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: to be led ultimately by the pitching depth that this

789
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: organization has, and by the end of the season, we

790
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: could see a lot of these really exciting former top

791
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: prospects breakthrough to the majors and have pretty quick success.

792
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: But to best put them in that position, you want

793
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: to surround them with pitchers who have been there before

794
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: and had some success and are at a stage of

795
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: their careers where they're willing to be mentors towards the

796
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: next generation. And I think even at this late stage

797
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: in the offseason, you have a handful of these really

798
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: intriguing options that could fill that necessary role. On the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty Marlins, My commentary on this episode is a

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Speaker 1: little bit shorter than usual because I wanted to dedicate

801
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Speaker 1: the final segment of it to Danny Martinez. He hosted

802
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: fish Bites for most of the twenty nineteen Marlins season.

803
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: He has recently returned to the public on both Twitter

804
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: and on YouTube by launching his series Marlins Unfiltered. The

805
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: first episode just coming out on Friday. What you're about

806
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: to listen to is episode two, titled the Time to

807
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: Bury Rebuild Conversation. He wants to move on from dwelling

808
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: about what the Marlins used to be under their old

809
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: core and focus on all the current talent that's presently

810
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: in the organization and the management style that is currently

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Speaker 1: in charge of the Marlins. So make sure to subscribe

812
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: to him. He's on YouTube, his account titled Danny m

813
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: Be sure to find him right there, and while you're

814
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: at it, of course, subscribe to Fish Stripes on YouTube

815
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: as well. But here it is Marlins Unfiltered, Episode two

816
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: with Danny. This has been Eli Susman great speaking to

817
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: all of you guys again as we inch closer to

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Speaker 1: spring training. Go Fish.

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Speaker 2: Here's Danny state of the union of the Marlins, looking

820
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Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen right the rebuild to where they are

821
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: right now. What has gone right, what has maybe not

822
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: gone so perfectly? And more importantly, I really want to

823
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Speaker 2: get this point of cross have this conversation for the

824
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: last time because I'm tired of it. I'm tired of

825
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: having the conversation. Now. I understand this is a product

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Speaker 2: of the rebuild. We are the status of the Marlins

827
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: right now is because they chose to rebuild and reconstruct

828
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Speaker 2: their roster to pursue sustainability, something people will not ever understand.

829
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Speaker 2: But like I told you in the first video baseball acumen.

830
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna talk to you like you did to build sustainability,

831
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: but I'm tired of always having to rehash the entire

832
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Speaker 2: conversation questions like should they have rebuilt. I'm tired of

833
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: having those conversations because the year is twenty twenty. We

834
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: are quite literally living in January twenty twenty, and that

835
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: rebuild happened two plus years ago. There are so much

836
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Speaker 2: positives around it that it's frustrating that we have to

837
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 2: continue hearing only the negatives, because those are the only

838
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: people that have enough time to waste to continue hashing

839
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 2: on the negatives. But let's have the conversation one last

840
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: time and then bear deep into the farthest way that

841
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: we can go in the everglade. Let's start. The year

842
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: is twenty seventeen. The Mammy Marlins are nowhere near competing

843
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: in the National League, not in the National League East,

844
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: and not in the National League overall. As a wild card,

845
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Speaker 2: you can sit there and you can say whatever you

846
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: want that have gone and gotten two veteran arms. Number one,

847
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: there weren't any veteran arms that, even using hindsight, you

848
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Speaker 2: could go back at and say if they would have

849
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Speaker 2: signed them using full hindsight, knowing how they performed wherever

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00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: they went, that they would have taken a seventy eight

851
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: win team or a seventy five win team to the playoffs.

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00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: So that little theory you could just throw out into

853
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: the rest of the fantasy. It's the unicorn pitcher theory,

854
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: and it does not work. My goodness, look at all

855
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,479
Speaker 2: of the talent, why did they rebuild? Let me list

856
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: out all of the talent that everyone always discussed, right,

857
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: Gihn Carlos Stan's coming off of an MVP year. Christian

858
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: Yelich is not yet an MVP, so they did not

859
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Speaker 2: trade away to MVPs. But I get it. He becomes

860
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: an MVP the next following year because he goes to

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Speaker 2: a boonbox and the n O Central and his forty

862
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: plus home runs. Dee Gordon all right, J t Ramudo

863
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: a year later, Marcelo Zuna. Those are the big trades,

864
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: those are the big names. All of those stars together

865
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: listened very carefully, averaged seventy five ones. From the moment

866
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: that they played together to the moment that they were

867
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: traded away. They averaged a total score that started with

868
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: a seven, even a five hundred team which seventy five wins.

869
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: One of them had a bloated contract that Lauria and

870
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: everybody with even one IQ of baseball knew was going

871
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: to be traded away once the backloaded part of it

872
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: came into play. He was always gone. Whatever the drama

873
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: was with Yelich, I don't care to discuss it, but

874
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,479
Speaker 2: he was gone. A Zuna a rental player right two years.

875
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: He's a free agent right now, still in the free

876
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: agent market. I wonder why gone? And then jt Roumuto

877
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: with the reports that he also wanted a trade, so

878
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: there's some drama there too, also was a rental. As

879
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: we sit here right now, in twenty twenty, Marcelo zun

880
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: would have been a free agent. Jt Rimundo was about

881
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: to be a free agent, and the finances of the

882
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: Miami Marlins would be worse than I don't even know

883
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: the kind of example I could throw at you. Because

884
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: of Stanton's bloated contract, and because the inability for South

885
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: Florida to support a team that isn't winning championships every

886
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: year like the Miami Heat, it is unrealistic to think

887
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: that this rebuild should not have happened. So that first

888
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: sentence and that first question of should they have rebuilt?

889
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: I want you to know that I had to censor

890
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: myself before in other platforms, I don't have to hear

891
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: idiotic if that's still a question that we're answering. Of

892
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: course they had to rebuild. It's something that I was

893
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: saying before Jeter and Sherman even took over the franchise

894
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: was something that we were discussing should have happened in

895
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, after, or rather going into twenty seventeen, the

896
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: death of Jose Fernandez, the tragedy of him and his

897
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: friends that they all lost their lives. After that, the

898
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: Marlins were destin in for a rebuild. Basic level of

899
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: things that pissed me off. It is the people that

900
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: still think should the Marlins have rebuilt or not? Or

901
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: the YouTube content creators that do MLB the show rosters

902
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: of what would have happened if they would have kept

903
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: the Marlins together. Let me tell you something, seventy five wins,

904
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: that's your answer. We don't have to know what would

905
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: have happened. We saw what happened. And in a world

906
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: where you can't make unrealistic trade scenarios like in the show.

907
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: It would have been hear me out seventy five wins?

908
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: Do you know why it's not because there would't have

909
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: been money, trust me, the debt that Laurier left there

910
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been money anyway. But let's say that there

911
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: was no It is because the Marlins had zero pitching

912
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: and zero farm system. They had the worst ranked farm

913
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: system in baseball, and I believe they were ranked either

914
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: bottom three or bottom five prior to the rebuild. When

915
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: we're talking about starting pitching. You don't win in baseball

916
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: with three stud up position players, no pitching, and no

917
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: farms system that could supplement the talent. This is not basketball.

918
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why you don't understand it. But for those

919
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: of us that do, like the many of the individuals

920
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: that are listening to this and looking at this right now,

921
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: you understand the frustration when people say, should they have rebuilt,

922
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: let's bury that part. How did they rebuild is a

923
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: different question. The answer to that question is they did

924
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: a somewhat risky job of targeting superstar ceilings but very

925
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: low floors in the trades. They have course corrected that

926
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: in the drafts and in their international signings, but in

927
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: the trades. The initial trades they did absolutely go get

928
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: the pictures were flamethrowers that had K versus walk tendencies

929
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: that were an issue. The hitters were lively sixty grade

930
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 2: power and good glove, but forty forty five grade hitting

931
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: and contact. We don't know if that will pan out.

932
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: Some of you will say it hasn't already panned out

933
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: with the Lewis Brinson. It may plan out with a

934
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: Nissandias and Amante Harrison. It panned out with Sandi al Contra.

935
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: Will it pan out with the George Guzman. We don't know.

936
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 2: And these are the questions that will continue to ask

937
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: and will still be allowed to talk about the rebuild

938
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: in that situation. But that's what they did. They targeted

939
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 2: high superstar ceiling. They continued that with the jazz Chism

940
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: trade versus Zach Gallon, Zach Gallon has a very safe floor.

941
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: For those of you all of a sudden anointing him

942
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: a future cy Young, let me remind you I was

943
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: the one who called him someone who wasn't just a

944
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 2: throw in piece in that Ozuna trade. While most of

945
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: the people that now think he's a cy Young were

946
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: telling me that he was just a throw in and

947
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: that he would be a back of the end rotation.

948
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: So don't flip now because it's easy. Stick to your conviction.

949
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: I won't change my conviction back then. I told you

950
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: he's not a throw and nothing has changed. I don't

951
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 2: think all of a sudden now he has an ace material.

952
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he has a number two material. I

953
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: think he's still going to be a solid mid rotation piece.

954
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: And he got traded from a position of strength for

955
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: a jazz Chishlm, a position of weakness. We didn't have

956
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: a superstar cal shortstop low levels Na Saint Nunas of

957
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: Cyrus Johnson even though he was hurt, and some others.

958
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: But a jazz Chisholm that could be at Marlin's Park

959
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: web gems at shortstop while hitting thirty home run as

960
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: early as this September is not something we had in

961
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: our farm system. So the Marlins have been aggressive, and

962
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: Grafts put out an article a year ago praising them

963
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: for this, saying that it's not the safest or conservative

964
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: way to do a rebuild, but that it's a new

965
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: way and it's an aggressive way, and that if even

966
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 2: fifteen percent of their prospects that they've inherited over the

967
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: last year and a year in change hit. When you

968
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: have a continuous playoff team in South Florida that's not

969
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 2: named the Miami Heat, because the talent is there, because

970
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: they have an elite farm system in place as we

971
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: stand right now in January of twenty twenty, because they

972
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: have a top half of MLB young rotation at the

973
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: major league level, because they have young pieces in a

974
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: George Alfaro in, a Brian Anderson who's inn above average

975
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: third basement and right fielder. In someone like an Aissan Dias,

976
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: which we discussed in the first episode, was on pace

977
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: for eighteen home runs and an above average defensive run

978
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 2: saved at second base. This is coming together. This isn't

979
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: an imagination. This isn't a fantasy. If there's something that

980
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: you want to counter, do so in the commons section.

981
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: But the belief that the state of the Marlins is

982
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: a pathetic, lowly team is something of the past, and

983
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: if you are still with that mentality, then you're not

984
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: paying attention