Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jannet Kramer and I Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: So I am so excited to wind down today because
Speaker 1: I've got my besties in the studio today, and that
Speaker 1: would be my husband Hell and then my girlfriend Sarah. Hello. Hello.
Speaker 1: I'm really pumped because well, I feel bad because Jen sick,
Speaker 1: but it's also an opportunity to bring in some more
Speaker 1: of my my friends in here, and obviously my husband again,
Speaker 1: who has become quite the regular on the show, series regular.
Speaker 1: I love it's now as he's now. Yeah, he's now
Speaker 1: a series regular. So I'm gonna negotiate my contract talk later.
Speaker 1: So I have to tell you guys about Sarah because
Speaker 1: Sarah and I have a very unique story. Unique me
Speaker 1: or are you ready? And Sarah's like she's been practicing
Speaker 1: her I literally called her this morning, was like hey,
Speaker 1: I voice membered her and I said, hey, Jen sick,
Speaker 1: can you get to my house? Um? And she lives
Speaker 1: about like probably pretty five nuts away. I swear she
Speaker 1: was at the house in like twenty minutes. I am
Speaker 1: ready to row. She's all about and then my workout clothes.
Speaker 1: But I got done. You look great. So for everyone
Speaker 1: that's listening, Um, I I post Sarah a lot on
Speaker 1: my stories. She's become a great girlfriend of mine here
Speaker 1: in l A. And we met actually on a Southwest
Speaker 1: Airlines flight, this is true from Nashville to l A.
Speaker 1: Nashville was l A to Nashville. You were like here
Speaker 1: for like three hours. You're like, oh, that's right, because
Speaker 1: that's when I had that meeting with the I tested
Speaker 1: for a show and I didn't get it. But it's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, so Sarah was you were supposed to sit
Speaker 1: in another seat, so go ahead. I had my dog,
Speaker 1: the Frenchie, and I saw like two open seats and
Speaker 1: I was traveling with my boyfriend and I got on
Speaker 1: first and I was like, oh, sir, can I sit there?
Speaker 1: It was a middle seat aisle, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you need a seat for your dog. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, okay, So I looked no. So I looked
Speaker 1: right behind him and like there's just like this pretty
Speaker 1: girl and I'm like total judge a book by its cover.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's pretty. I'm sitting next to her, and
Speaker 1: so I just like I was like, can I sit here?
Speaker 1: And You're like yeah, And then we talked for like
Speaker 1: the whole flight. We talked the entire entire flight, which
Speaker 1: I feel like, isn't that opposite just from a girl's perspective,
Speaker 1: if you're like traveling with your boyfriend or your significant other,
Speaker 1: it's like a smoke and hot girl like Janna and
Speaker 1: you're like yeah. I mean, my boyfriend was say it
Speaker 1: would be great. I was tiring on the plant, like
Speaker 1: I don't even remember friend, I know, but he was
Speaker 1: like listening. Literally he sat down and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is my friend. She's from Nashville, like, she's married,
Speaker 1: she has He's like, he's like, you got them five
Speaker 1: minutes before. Literally literally. But I mean that's so true
Speaker 1: because I would never if there was a hot girl
Speaker 1: in the row and we were boarding. I'm with Mike,
Speaker 1: I would I would never sit next to the hot girl. Ever.
Speaker 1: Here I am, we are here, we are basically Sarah. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is how our conversation started. We reading instant
Speaker 1: best friends than the first five minutes. Then her boyfriend boarded. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me just tell you this story. Her boyfriend said, Okay,
Speaker 1: I talk. Oh no, here we go. Okay, here here
Speaker 1: it is. We're sitting down on the plane. This is
Speaker 1: my new best friend. She's in the middle seat, and
Speaker 1: usually like you don't talk to the person in the
Speaker 1: middle seat, so it's you know, but like she's really
Speaker 1: cute too, and she's fun and like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: this is cool, Like I have like a new friend.
Speaker 1: This is awesome. So then her boyfriend sits down and
Speaker 1: he's he's cute' that's just not my type. But I
Speaker 1: didn't mean like that, no, no, no, he just keeps
Speaker 1: to himself, like I don't even think he probably said HII,
Speaker 1: like maybe he said hi, but he's just like me, okay,
Speaker 1: like take him next to mine. He's so cute. He's cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not my tie anyway, So he dying right now. I
Speaker 1: mean if he was bald, i'd be like, not really cute.
Speaker 1: And he has a lot of hair, so yeah. Anyways,
Speaker 1: her boyfriend sits down, who's very cute, and um, so
Speaker 1: we're talking and I noticed that he's in like he
Speaker 1: has like hockey gear, you know, it says like hockey school.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm obsessed with hockey, like
Speaker 1: absolutely obsessed with hockey. I grew up you know, as
Speaker 1: a figure skater. I loved hockey players. I loved watching hockey,
Speaker 1: like the whole dire thing. Why did you know? I
Speaker 1: didn't say I love hockey players, like, oh god, she's
Speaker 1: a queen. I just sit here and watching. I know
Speaker 1: that both of us. You know, I'm just saying I
Speaker 1: love like I love. Yeah, absolutely fun back, Jenna loves hockey.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sarah. So I started talking to her boyfriend
Speaker 1: and I was like, so, where were you guys at?
Speaker 1: And you guys were just at a hockey you guys
Speaker 1: we were going to Nashville for the Hockey score. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hockey camp. And I was like, oh, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's really cool. Um, you know, that's really exciting. And
Speaker 1: I was like, did you used to play hockey? He's like,
Speaker 1: yeah I did. He's like I played for a little while.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh that's cool. Heays like my dad
Speaker 1: played hockey and I was like, oh that's I was like,
Speaker 1: oh that's really cool. She literally goes, oh, so like
Speaker 1: did he like play a lot? So I said, I
Speaker 1: was like, so he plays hockey. That's that's really cool.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of started talking to Sarah again,
Speaker 1: but again, huge hockey fan over here. I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to know more about you know, was it was
Speaker 1: his dead good, like did he like play play you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, who knows, Maybe he was just like
Speaker 1: an overseas player and never actually like oss like maybe
Speaker 1: he was like he didn't go professional kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It's hard. Hey, I will back her up. It's hard
Speaker 1: to make it. Yeah, I get it. You were like
Speaker 1: maybe he's like, yeah, dying in like Russia. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: which is still great and amazing for this, I'm gonna stop.
Speaker 1: But anyways, so you know, I kind of asked again.
Speaker 1: I was like, so was your dad like good? And
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you know he was, he was good,
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh cool. I was like, did
Speaker 1: he play like on a team that I would of
Speaker 1: like known. He's like, uh maybe, and I was like okay.
Speaker 1: So then I started talking to Sarah again and then
Speaker 1: I was like, god, I really want to know, like
Speaker 1: is someone that I know because again a big hockey
Speaker 1: fan over here. So then I was like, so what
Speaker 1: I like know your dad and he's like, um, yeah maybe,
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, what's your what's what's your
Speaker 1: dad's name? Like maybe I do know him. He's like
Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky and I go, you're an literally literally look
Speaker 1: at him and goes and he just like started dying laughing.
Speaker 1: I was like, Wayne Gretzky could have just started with that,
Speaker 1: like the greatest hockey player of all time? Put your
Speaker 1: dad name the great one. Yeah, okay, I was just like,
Speaker 1: so I then stopped talking to him because I was
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Speaker 1: What do you use? Yeah, I'm not afraid to admit it. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: this is when I knew we were going to be
Speaker 1: best friends, because we're sitting there and she's like, so,
Speaker 1: how long have you guys been together? And I said
Speaker 1: almost five years? And she looks at him and goes,
Speaker 1: what the f are you waiting for? And I said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like I think, I like almost wept.
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you, thank you, like somebody thank you.
Speaker 1: And he was like, oh my god. He like this
Speaker 1: girl that i've number five. He's like, you told her
Speaker 1: to say that. I'm like, I don't even know her,
Speaker 1: That's why I but that's again, it's five years, Michael, like,
Speaker 1: and I know that You're like, oh, that's such a
Speaker 1: jama thing to do, but it's five years. That's like
Speaker 1: I would say that I did it stranger again, she
Speaker 1: did not. I don't know. We'reybody come like besties, you know.
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, still to this day, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing no. And then we're sitting there
Speaker 1: and she's like, so I'm like, okay, take the heat off.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, what's your story? Like literally, I
Speaker 1: go how long have you been married? And she goes
Speaker 1: happily and tally looked at me. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I don't know if I should
Speaker 1: have them talk to each other. I mean, just a
Speaker 1: perfect storm. Sorry, that's always my leading, Like I'm even
Speaker 1: Mary for I'm like happily or no. But it was
Speaker 1: so funny, like she didn't think she was ever going
Speaker 1: to see me again. I don't think I was going
Speaker 1: to see her again. We were dying. I mean we
Speaker 1: were a very honor very It was like one of
Speaker 1: those things where like when you think you're never going
Speaker 1: to see someone against, you just go all out, just
Speaker 1: like full disclosure, here are my fears, here my dad is.
Speaker 1: And then five years like what is happening? And Aby
Speaker 1: wants to know this because she's in something where it'll
Speaker 1: be a hundred years. So it's like she but this
Speaker 1: is good. You need to hear this because she's putting
Speaker 1: her foot down. So like we're almost at six years
Speaker 1: and what is it good? Oh? No, it couldn't be.
Speaker 1: It's good, I know, because it's something that I want.
Speaker 1: I want that he would have a baby. Now she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to go on that order. She wants to
Speaker 1: be married first. I'm on like Jana scene where I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just what I want. I just want that union.
Speaker 1: I just want the marriage, like I just want to
Speaker 1: text back. But it's literally I said him a picture
Speaker 1: on the plane and it was the aisle and it
Speaker 1: was and I literally was like all my friends walking
Speaker 1: down the aisle and I'm just walking down the plane
Speaker 1: aisle like no, but I did that all the time
Speaker 1: to him. So I did you put your You did
Speaker 1: because we had it. Sarah's like, now become our our child,
Speaker 1: our child Jolie. Yeah, we call her Jolie two point oh.
Speaker 1: She's whenever it's Mike and I, it's always then Sarah.
Speaker 1: She becomes our our daughter, and it's always like third
Speaker 1: You're not like third wheeling because it's truly like our daughter.
Speaker 1: But we're like the same. What an honor. But so
Speaker 1: you came over and looked out with us and you're like, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I just w was say, Amy, listen up.
Speaker 1: This is where you need to hear. I just was
Speaker 1: like her dad, actually my dad and I had a
Speaker 1: really good talk and he is like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: the dad and we had like a really emotional talk
Speaker 1: and he's like, I just want you to be happy,
Speaker 1: like and I could. I am happy. And so that's
Speaker 1: why I go back and forth, because I'm like, why
Speaker 1: would I I have my girlfriend sending me like bumble
Speaker 1: pictures and they're like, thank your man tonight, like the
Speaker 1: freaks are out, and so I'm like, why would I
Speaker 1: like rock something that's so good? But however, you know,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to look back and be like,
Speaker 1: you know, like what if he never marries me? Right?
Speaker 1: But what if you're happy for a hundred years and
Speaker 1: she doesn't want that. She wants to be married. You know,
Speaker 1: She's like, and we may want to go another six years.
Speaker 1: Such an interesting conversation. It is such do you want
Speaker 1: to have a piece of paper? Do you want to
Speaker 1: be happy? I know what's his hold up? Maybe he's
Speaker 1: seen unhappy marriages. I think he just with GWayne Gretzky
Speaker 1: and no, he like literally he doesn't have a reason.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why I'm like, if you had
Speaker 1: like a reason. He just says, like why why? Now?
Speaker 1: Why rush? How old are you? How old is he?
Speaker 1: He's I know, I know, but but she's from Texas.
Speaker 1: Her little sister just got married. Yeah, that's hard when
Speaker 1: you have That's the main thing is, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure for me. I'm the one who gets all
Speaker 1: the questions like why is everyone asking me? Like why
Speaker 1: what about not worrying about the noise? Because she wants
Speaker 1: to have because I do want that with him, Like
Speaker 1: she wants to start, like and here's the problem because
Speaker 1: I feel like guys too in l A. It's very
Speaker 1: different from like, you know, you guys back in Baltimore
Speaker 1: where it's it's the guys here in California are like
Speaker 1: ten years behind. So she doesn't want to be thirties
Speaker 1: seven and still in a situation where she's not married
Speaker 1: and doesn't have kids totally where I think with you Michael,
Speaker 1: like yeah, it depends on Yeah, I think geographically he
Speaker 1: does have something to play to a part to play
Speaker 1: in it. But also what your parents are still married, right,
Speaker 1: They've been married for a long time. Literally, Like even
Speaker 1: in my sister's wedding speech, I was like, I'm someone
Speaker 1: who can definitely say, like, I think my parents have
Speaker 1: the perfect marriage. His parents have been married thirty years,
Speaker 1: mine are almost out thirty, so like we both come
Speaker 1: from that. I just I'm like what he literally is like,
Speaker 1: go like, why rush? That's literally his rush? I mean
Speaker 1: that's literally his why rush? And you can tell him
Speaker 1: it's not about rushing, It's about this year the person
Speaker 1: I know I want to spend the rest of my
Speaker 1: life with. Marriage is something that is important to me
Speaker 1: that my parents have shown me a good example, and
Speaker 1: it's something that for me, I won't feel complete until
Speaker 1: I have that, and I want to complete my life
Speaker 1: with you complete. So why not do that complete me
Speaker 1: and marry me completely? No, that means like that the
Speaker 1: more he gets it now. A year ago he was
Speaker 1: like whatever, but like he gets it now, So what's
Speaker 1: the timeline now? I mean, what do you mean, like,
Speaker 1: if you're thirty and you are still not don't have
Speaker 1: a ring on your finger? No, I'm thinking, like I
Speaker 1: think a year. I think it will be happening in
Speaker 1: a year. And you said maybe, you said be prepared
Speaker 1: for the consequences of what happens when you do pressure him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're going to break up with this No, And
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's all just talk. I'm so talk
Speaker 1: she but I will say this though, is like she's
Speaker 1: not doing the things that she's Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: almost like holding you back in a way. I just
Speaker 1: want that, like it is I would say, I just
Speaker 1: want that, like because it's like what is my purpose?
Speaker 1: Actel Like I'm just following him here and there, and
Speaker 1: they're all my families and Texas and I just sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, I get home, I have tons of nieces
Speaker 1: and nephews, and I just sometimes feel like I'm missing out.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you give me that, if you
Speaker 1: become my family and it's you and me, then I
Speaker 1: have then I'm fine staying here in California and I'm fine.
Speaker 1: If not, then it's like okay, and then I'm thirty,
Speaker 1: then I just start all over and do I move
Speaker 1: back to San France? Like this the great debate of
Speaker 1: all life? Literally because you're happy. I'm so happy married people,
Speaker 1: I know, but there's still something missing though. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: You can still be like missing just because you're pretending
Speaker 1: it's missing. Do you know what I mean? Are you
Speaker 1: making up that it's missing. Maybe it's not missing because
Speaker 1: she wants I just want to just I'm just so stubborn.
Speaker 1: Everybody support No, it's literally God, I gotta get to Texas. No,
Speaker 1: I think I'm just so stubborn. And so now I'm like,
Speaker 1: now it's a thing where like, okay, you won't give
Speaker 1: me a ring, so now why won't you? Wendy Walsh
Speaker 1: gets here. Dr Wendy Walsh, this is like a great
Speaker 1: thing to start with her, because you might be sabotaging
Speaker 1: your own happiness. I know I probably am like a psychologist,
Speaker 1: but here's my question though, but she might not not
Speaker 1: just to play Devil's advocate with you. Just what you
Speaker 1: just said, Amy is she might be sabotaging her own
Speaker 1: growth and her own dreams and aspirations by being held
Speaker 1: back by someone that isn't wanting to move forward with her.
Speaker 1: And it's a crap shoot, hold on, I'm getting the doctor, okay.
Speaker 1: But I mean from a guy's perspective though, like you
Speaker 1: don't want to feel rushed. I mean I remember in
Speaker 1: the very beginning, I mean I put my foot down
Speaker 1: and I was like, look, we own this house together.
Speaker 1: I don't want to play house put her ring on it.
Speaker 1: This is what I want. I told you what I want,
Speaker 1: and you're not in the same page. Get out like
Speaker 1: that's the I just have a very like, this is
Speaker 1: what I wanted. But then he would he didn't like
Speaker 1: the It's not that I ultimatum do or made you rush,
Speaker 1: but like, but because of my codependency, it felt like that,
Speaker 1: and so I felt like I had no choice and
Speaker 1: that was because of my internal struggle. So I felt
Speaker 1: like I had to do that to keep her happy
Speaker 1: when ultimately created a lot of resentment in me. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: you guys have five six years and our timeline was
Speaker 1: a lot shorter. So but I come from like I mean,
Speaker 1: my dad was married once. All I have three older sisters,
Speaker 1: they've all been married at least once, and so I
Speaker 1: come from line. I know that, you know, divorces a
Speaker 1: real thing. And so that's why I've worked so hard
Speaker 1: to not pressure him, not ultimate um him, not because
Speaker 1: I don't ever want him to to ever have that
Speaker 1: to throw back at me. I want and I tell him,
Speaker 1: I go, I just want you to marry me because
Speaker 1: you want to marry me. Well, but that's the thing too,
Speaker 1: that's why you don't want to have kids first because
Speaker 1: you don't want to feel like you're getting married because
Speaker 1: I had to kid, because that's that sucks. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you're just really marrying me because now I'm pregnant
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, I now I have your kid
Speaker 1: like that. Even Jane, Jane wanted to try to get
Speaker 1: pregnant we we got married. When I said I didn't
Speaker 1: want to have a baby until we get married, and
Speaker 1: she was we decided, Oh no, you guys, I'm never
Speaker 1: coming back. I thought we decided that we wanted kids,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna start trying. Oh my, Mike, Mike. We
Speaker 1: we eventually got to that point because we had our
Speaker 1: wedding plan. So we're going to we're on our way
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Speaker 1: in studio. Hi. I'm Janna. Hi, it's nice to me.
Speaker 1: This is my husband, my loving husband. So I would
Speaker 1: call the two of you on first sight, just the
Speaker 1: highest ranking mate ever when we're looking at mate status.
Speaker 1: So your babies are damn gorgeous. One we have one
Speaker 1: and I one on the way. We have one congratulating.
Speaker 1: And how old is a baby? She's two and a
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Speaker 1: my dear friend Sarah, Sarah, nice to you. I'm Dr
Speaker 1: Wendy Good nice to you. Oh oh, she's just an
Speaker 1: a very um she's it's she's been in a relationship
Speaker 1: for six years and she's kind of at that point
Speaker 1: where it's like what are we doing? You know, I
Speaker 1: call it the stalemate, the stalemate where you're just in
Speaker 1: a steelmate. So first of all, I need a couple
Speaker 1: of demographic questions. How old are you? How old i've
Speaker 1: he's okay, he's from California. I'm from Texas. Huge difference
Speaker 1: because in Texas traditional should have been married like fashion. Right. Okay,
Speaker 1: And um, how long you've been together? Almost six years? Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a cancer. I'm a scorpio. So let me throw
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Speaker 1: marriage for men is about twenty eight. Average age of
Speaker 1: first time marriage for women is twenty six. When I
Speaker 1: say average, that's an American average. So we're not talking
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Speaker 1: had to guess, what do you think the age of
Speaker 1: what age a woman is where she is most biologically fertile. Well,
Speaker 1: she has the most eggs at eighteen, which is why
Speaker 1: those girls get I think, But um, I would say
Speaker 1: twenty six. So what happens is we're all born with
Speaker 1: about four hundred little suckers tucked into our ovaries. We
Speaker 1: drop one, two or three a month if you're gonna
Speaker 1: have triplets, and um. So what happens is our fertility
Speaker 1: stays really strong through our twenties. It takes a dive
Speaker 1: at thirty, falls off a cliff at thirty five, and
Speaker 1: by the time you're talking forty, you're talking about high
Speaker 1: incidents of you know, disabilities, autism, et cetera. However, our
Speaker 1: culture is not matching up with our biology because right
Speaker 1: now we have more successful women than men. In fact,
Speaker 1: they're more women in the American workforce than men. And
Speaker 1: for every two guys that graduate college, there are three women.
Speaker 1: So when her is women are eating up their fertility
Speaker 1: window with education and career building. And then there's this
Speaker 1: scramble in the early thirties, a crazy anxiety that women
Speaker 1: have that men. Because you came into a great debate,
Speaker 1: let me just tell you this, Okay, you can just
Speaker 1: laugh all you want, sir. My mother went through menopause
Speaker 1: at thirty three, so I started to freak out. So
Speaker 1: I met him and when I was thirty one, so
Speaker 1: I'm like the biological reality, I was like, look, this
Speaker 1: is this is what I want. I want to get married.
Speaker 1: I want to have kids like, and I want to
Speaker 1: do it within this window because I'm freaking out if
Speaker 1: I can't have kids, Like my purpose in life is
Speaker 1: to be a mom. Like. What I like about you
Speaker 1: is that you're a smart woman who knows that you're
Speaker 1: in charge of relationships. Guys, just follow along. If we
Speaker 1: don't negotiate commitments questions. We don't have grooms magazines, all right.
Speaker 1: They don't spend their whole life dreaming about what tucks
Speaker 1: they're going to wear to their wedding. It's up to
Speaker 1: us to make the ultimatum happen, to negotiate commitment. But
Speaker 1: we have to be to find out. But here's the
Speaker 1: problem though, And here's the problem with that. And let
Speaker 1: me just say a side note, sidebar. We're going back
Speaker 1: to the pin. I did that because I wanted to
Speaker 1: freeze my eggs because I was so scared of not
Speaker 1: being able to have and of course those embryos weren't
Speaker 1: good enough to you know, to freeze, so we implanted
Speaker 1: whatever back to He held that against me, though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I don't What do you mean again? She
Speaker 1: missed the fact that I was like, this is what
Speaker 1: I want, and I want it now, like you know,
Speaker 1: I want in this window, this year period. And he
Speaker 1: held punished against what was his punishment? There was no punishment. Well,
Speaker 1: then he is not held against you. You won. No.
Speaker 1: She said that if basically I didn't jump on board,
Speaker 1: then she'd find someone that would. There you go, that's
Speaker 1: called an ultimatum. And baby number two, you're married, you're together. Right,
Speaker 1: We had major issues. So what guys, it hurts. It hurts,
Speaker 1: But if you want to get with an a list
Speaker 1: number time and get with the program. But here's the
Speaker 1: thing though, how for for a man though, Like because
Speaker 1: he used that against me and then that kind of
Speaker 1: fed into his his mental health stuff that followed that.
Speaker 1: So his punishment was kind of a little bit of
Speaker 1: emotional abuse. Yeah, alright, just keep your eye on the prize,
Speaker 1: which is the long range goal. Work through his emotional
Speaker 1: He'll get over it. He's good, lacorious name, that's happy,
Speaker 1: sweet baby girl. Another one coming. He has the world
Speaker 1: right now. He just needed to guide him a little
Speaker 1: bit towards that perfect life. Yes, as I said, no
Speaker 1: man reads a groom's magazine and that's not there because
Speaker 1: there's so much pressure on us. And that's what I think. Well,
Speaker 1: I also want to say something else, Sarah, is that
Speaker 1: we live in a culture with a very narrow definition
Speaker 1: of what it is to be masculine and what it
Speaker 1: is to be a man. Spend some time in Sweden,
Speaker 1: as I just did a few months ago, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: such a wide range of masculinity on display. First of all,
Speaker 1: they legislate fatherhood because they give you eighteen months off,
Speaker 1: but a woman is not allowed to take all eighteen months.
Speaker 1: Dude has to take a chunk of it. So you
Speaker 1: see these marauding rows of gangs of baby wearing guys everywhere.
Speaker 1: It is just that's beautiful. It is beautiful. And so
Speaker 1: what happens here is that guys don't realize they've ingested
Speaker 1: the rules of the man box and they're put in
Speaker 1: a very narrow man box. And so giving them the
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a good father, to be a loving
Speaker 1: husband is what women are doing by guiding them a bit, right,
Speaker 1: they're letting them out of the man box. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Sarah interrupted you. Oh no, no, no, I was just
Speaker 1: saying that. I just think it's not fair that there's
Speaker 1: so much pressure for like women when it's like why biology,
Speaker 1: no one's asking him when we're getting married. Everyone asked me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like why, I don't know you have a
Speaker 1: fertility window. It doesn't. And so the ultimatum is the
Speaker 1: so you you think there should be an ultimatum given
Speaker 1: to him. I'm a big believer in ultimatums. I just think, well, also,
Speaker 1: what happens is this, do you guys live together? I know,
Speaker 1: so here's again just statistics. Just because there's statistics doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you will fall into that group. But generally, if
Speaker 1: you live together before marriage, and the longer you live together,
Speaker 1: the worsh your marital outcomes, the higher divorce rate, the
Speaker 1: less chance you'll actually get married, because what ends up
Speaker 1: happening is you burn out the passion years. You know,
Speaker 1: we comfortable. I mean we're comfortable. Yeah, you're far in
Speaker 1: each other's face. Now, well no, no, actually I am not. No,
Speaker 1: We're not like that. That's a big thing I'm not about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know we're comfortable. I'm a lady. Janna's
Speaker 1: burping up a storm every time it gets me, But
Speaker 1: I know even when she's not, um, yeah, and I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. So the thing is, you
Speaker 1: have to be at your state of readiness and if
Speaker 1: in fact, you do want to become a mother. And
Speaker 1: as a little caveatte, I want to add the twenty
Speaker 1: percent of human beings male and female do not become parents. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that we're not or to reproduce. How
Speaker 1: do their genes stay in evolution's chain if they don't
Speaker 1: become parents, Because every allow parent, allow parents. Somebody who
Speaker 1: has not a biological interesting kids, but somebody who cares
Speaker 1: about kids keeps their genes by being the best and
Speaker 1: the best uncle. They also help nurture the culture because
Speaker 1: they tend to build businesses that employ families, they tend
Speaker 1: to build charities that help children. They tend to just
Speaker 1: nurture the culture at large. So I'm not thinking that
Speaker 1: every woman out there has to become a mother, because
Speaker 1: I mean, I was a single mom, a single mother,
Speaker 1: have been for fourteen years and if I didn't have
Speaker 1: a bunch of child free girlfriends helping me out, I
Speaker 1: could never have survived. And so you know, you're going
Speaker 1: to make the decision what you want in your life,
Speaker 1: make a relationship life plan. This is the dat I
Speaker 1: want to get married, if that's what you want, This
Speaker 1: is the date I want to have a kid by.
Speaker 1: And then you're very calmly going to inform that date
Speaker 1: and that relationship plan to your partner and the step
Speaker 1: up and if he can't step up by the eight
Speaker 1: then you have to be prepared to find a mate
Speaker 1: that will. Yeah, I feel like you hold you're you're
Speaker 1: You're staring at Wendy and you're like, you're disagreeing. I'm
Speaker 1: just taking it all in. But I feel like you're
Speaker 1: like you kind of looked at it or like because
Speaker 1: I feel like when like when we have like, um,
Speaker 1: Julie two point our conversations, me and you guys, the
Speaker 1: ultimatum thing, you guys are kind of torn on it. Okay, babe,
Speaker 1: do you want to elaborate on that a little bit?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you were you were given her
Speaker 1: the eye of like I don't agree with that at all.
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't agree I agree that men
Speaker 1: in general, Yes, we need a little pressure, because God
Speaker 1: knows that. Janna's pressure me in situations. I needed that
Speaker 1: um to mature and take the next step. But I
Speaker 1: just have concerns, just knowing how I am personally with
Speaker 1: whether it creating resentment or just holding something against my
Speaker 1: partner because it's something that maybe I'm not ready for,
Speaker 1: maybe something I really don't want to do now as
Speaker 1: a man, that's up to me to express my emotions
Speaker 1: around that. And I found that through Janna and not
Speaker 1: communicating better in our relates ship now that I don't
Speaker 1: have resentments like I used to because we are communicating
Speaker 1: and I'm communicating about my feelings. But because he was
Speaker 1: so codependent in the beginning of our relationship whatever, I
Speaker 1: but then held that against me, which is unfair, Which
Speaker 1: is completely unfair because I didn't tell her how I
Speaker 1: felt about it, and I couldn't not only that, I
Speaker 1: couldn't say in a healthy way because I would let
Speaker 1: things bottle up inside me. And then I'll just explore.
Speaker 1: Many men need to learn that lesson or to actually
Speaker 1: um find words for their feelings and express it. Because
Speaker 1: you know, what is a relationship. A relationship is an
Speaker 1: exchange of care. That care can take many forms. It
Speaker 1: can be sexual care, financial care, child care, domestic responsibilities care,
Speaker 1: emotional care, physical care. When someone's ill right and so
Speaker 1: when we're talking about Sarah being in a relationship where
Speaker 1: you've been exchanging care. You now have a need that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have at this stage, at this time. And
Speaker 1: when I talk about ultimatums, I'm not asked you to
Speaker 1: be manipulative and try to get him to do something.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to look at your own goals, your
Speaker 1: own life and put some boundaries on yourself because you
Speaker 1: can choose to wait it out until his state of readiness,
Speaker 1: which may or may not come and may or may
Speaker 1: not come along your fertility window schedule. And that's the
Speaker 1: thing too. He when I see him with children again,
Speaker 1: I weep, like he's so good with like that's when
Speaker 1: I love him the most. And we both come from
Speaker 1: big family, so he has nephews, I have nieces, and
Speaker 1: so we both love kids. We both but I'm just like,
Speaker 1: come on, I just want that order. I just want
Speaker 1: to let the conversation start with something about your relationship
Speaker 1: life plan. In other words, you know, honey, um, I
Speaker 1: don't want to pressure you. I love what we have
Speaker 1: going here, but I need to know where the end
Speaker 1: game is and when. So, what age do you think
Speaker 1: you'll be when you want to have kids? That's just
Speaker 1: explore are his needs we've had, Like that's the thing
Speaker 1: is we've had a lot of talks over almost six years,
Speaker 1: and they're always good. And he knows. That's the thing
Speaker 1: is he knows what I want and he knows how
Speaker 1: I'm feeling. But what does he want? He just wants
Speaker 1: me forever. He wants He tells me all the time,
Speaker 1: I want to be with you forever. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: with you forever. I just I'm just why why do
Speaker 1: we need to jump into something? Why do we need
Speaker 1: to rush into something? And again, I don't think six years,
Speaker 1: I don't think we're jumping or rushing. But I think
Speaker 1: that he just again California. Mean he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: married friends. Yeah, that's part of it too. And I
Speaker 1: have a lot in not in l A. And so
Speaker 1: it's marriage is contagious. I just like divorces. And she
Speaker 1: sees me like she comes every time she comes over,
Speaker 1: it's like she's with my daughter, and then like I'm
Speaker 1: pregnant and you know, so it's and so I think
Speaker 1: that again, and I've always said this, if he had
Speaker 1: a friend like in his get engaged, we'd be two
Speaker 1: months later. He does not. I just I think he
Speaker 1: just does not want to like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. But like we were talking before, no other issues,
Speaker 1: no other what do you want? I wanna I want
Speaker 1: to be with him forever. But and do you want
Speaker 1: to become a mother? I okay? And do you want
Speaker 1: to do that by the time you're what age? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to do it a sap oh sap. Not
Speaker 1: when I'm thirty two. No, I mean I would have
Speaker 1: liked to have already had Like then you're there, you're there,
Speaker 1: but he will have a baby without He is fine
Speaker 1: to have the baby. So maybe you just need to
Speaker 1: adjust that part of it. No, not if you've been
Speaker 1: together six years and you're from Texas and he can
Speaker 1: respect your background and he knew this, he knew what
Speaker 1: he was signing up for when he walked into It's
Speaker 1: the thing, my traditional value, my family love. I mean,
Speaker 1: his family loves me. I love his family, My family
Speaker 1: loves him. But I just like mind, I just it's
Speaker 1: a respect. I don't know what happens if he says no,
Speaker 1: he want to know my prediction. Here's my prediction. You
Speaker 1: eys are going to break up and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: get back together and get engaged. That's how the ultimatums work.
Speaker 1: I disagree, not gonna happen. He will not break up
Speaker 1: with her, but she she's he has his cake and
Speaker 1: he's eating it too. She lives with him, So the
Speaker 1: words mean nothing unless they're backed up by action. Action
Speaker 1: is her getting her own place he's been, But I
Speaker 1: just she's been saying for six years, this is what
Speaker 1: she wants, and he's not doing yet right, So we're
Speaker 1: nothing gonna do it right when he's right. It's like
Speaker 1: if you tell your two year old, no, you can't
Speaker 1: have a cookie before dinner, that two year old is
Speaker 1: going to keep going to the cookie jar until you
Speaker 1: back it up every behavior. But we can't all just
Speaker 1: have everything we want, like we're not. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get it. Maybe. Wait, wait, we're talking about the one
Speaker 1: thing we're put on the earth to do, which is
Speaker 1: to reproduce. So he said yes to that. He just
Speaker 1: isn't ready to get maybe, but that's but if it
Speaker 1: hadn't been six years, it hadn't been six years, I understand, Like,
Speaker 1: not everyone can get what they want. She's waited six years,
Speaker 1: so she hasn't she got what she wanted. She'd been
Speaker 1: doing it years ago, like really putting the heat on them.
Speaker 1: But there's two things that she's staying true to which
Speaker 1: I think are very valuable. The fact that she wants
Speaker 1: to get married before having children, and that she wants
Speaker 1: to have children with him and not and nobody else
Speaker 1: wants him or marriage than a baby. I mean obviously him,
Speaker 1: because that's what I go back and forth about. I'm
Speaker 1: like sacrifice, I know, and that's what that's the only
Speaker 1: thing that we find. I say something that he needs
Speaker 1: to hear from you, that we're not a socialist country,
Speaker 1: where a capitalist country. We don't have a big safety
Speaker 1: net for single parents. If people have babies out of wedlock,
Speaker 1: statistically break up rate by the time the kid is ten.
Speaker 1: So the best nest we still have in modern America
Speaker 1: is two people, hopefully with a biological interest in those kids,
Speaker 1: to help raise them. I'm not a big believer until
Speaker 1: Death do us Part because I think when Until Death
Speaker 1: do us Part was invented, death was pretty imminent, and
Speaker 1: because of our long lifespans, even the most monogamous of
Speaker 1: humans will have two or three long stints of monogamy.
Speaker 1: But I believe you sign up for eighteen years and
Speaker 1: you're about to sign up for another eighteen then you're
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, that's the commitment, and that's the thing
Speaker 1: the relationship grows. So why not have that marital contract
Speaker 1: because research shows it's the thing that keeps people in
Speaker 1: the game. No, And I told I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: before he comes, his parents have been married forever. So
Speaker 1: it's just something that I want. I would like to
Speaker 1: rena look like his mom to get that. What I
Speaker 1: think is interesting though, I think what amy it's like
Speaker 1: because you're in a different path, Like, you don't you
Speaker 1: don't want kids, so it's like you're fine with not
Speaker 1: being she's the great allo parent here. Yeah, and she doesn't.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to have kids. You know, she's your
Speaker 1: in your relationship, you're just wanting to You don't care
Speaker 1: about getting married. You just want the guy you just want.
Speaker 1: So it's like you guys just have two very different
Speaker 1: which is like, yeah, what on a saying is so interesting?
Speaker 1: I come at it from a completely different perspective. I
Speaker 1: want to keep talking about this, and then I want
Speaker 1: to talk about all these bad marriages too, and see
Speaker 1: what Wendy thinks we people need what do you mean
Speaker 1: bad marriages? Think of these people that, like, we all
Speaker 1: have friends. I'm not talking about you guys, because you
Speaker 1: guys are like working it out, it's great. But I
Speaker 1: have so many friends that have been married for ten
Speaker 1: twenty years. Like I have a girlfriend who the marriage
Speaker 1: is just dead. They've been together so long. It's not miserable,
Speaker 1: but there's just no there there, And what are those
Speaker 1: people supposed to do well? Also, looking at any relationship
Speaker 1: from the outside is impossible to imagine what they're experiencing inside,
Speaker 1: because there can be a level of secure attachment that
Speaker 1: you say there's no there there and they feel absolutely secure.
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is her words. She's telling me that
Speaker 1: it's well, I think for like when this is what
Speaker 1: I kind of tell Michael, and which is what I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm scared about. Yes, we've had some massive
Speaker 1: issues in the relationship. Were repairing. We're we're at a
Speaker 1: good place now. It's going to be constant repair and
Speaker 1: constant communication. But my fear is that when we keep going,
Speaker 1: you know, more years, there are times when we might
Speaker 1: grow and be different and change, and it's like, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you stay connected? Like so that
Speaker 1: we when we get to our tenure, I'm not here.
Speaker 1: I'm here, and he's like over here, and it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you stay together in that? In addition to
Speaker 1: relationships being an exchange of care, the other amazing thing
Speaker 1: about relationships is they're the best gymnasium we have for
Speaker 1: our minds. They help us grow. And that back and
Speaker 1: forth tangle that you're describing is the life of a
Speaker 1: healthy relationship. As two people grow, life is changing every second,
Speaker 1: every minute. Our fingernails are growing so fast, at a nanosecond,
Speaker 1: they're growing, right, Everything is changing. The person that you
Speaker 1: married will biologically not be the same person seven years later.
Speaker 1: Every cell in her body will have been replaced. And
Speaker 1: along the way, you guys get to tangle with each
Speaker 1: other and learn about yourselves and grow because that partners
Speaker 1: do you believe that partners do fall in and not
Speaker 1: of love in marriage? Oh well, let's define love. There
Speaker 1: are lots of different kinds of love. At the beginning
Speaker 1: of a relationship, it's mostly lust and passion. Right after
Speaker 1: a while, it gets into intellectual commitment, love commitment for
Speaker 1: the kids and for you know, the families brought together,
Speaker 1: and maybe the incomes and buildings, your or houses, your
Speaker 1: building and things you're doing right. You made an intellectual
Speaker 1: commitment to ride out the bumps because it's the long
Speaker 1: game is so important. And then eventually the couples that
Speaker 1: stay together the longest fall into something called mature companion
Speaker 1: at love. Look at your parents. If you say your
Speaker 1: parents have been married together, I promise you it's not
Speaker 1: first aid sex for them, if they're having it at all,
Speaker 1: but they're not going anywhere because they have mature companion
Speaker 1: at love. That is so good for our physiology to
Speaker 1: have somebody who knows you so well, who can almost
Speaker 1: read your mind, and someone who will still tangle with
Speaker 1: you and argue with you if you're straying out to
Speaker 1: be the key, Like Jeanna and Mike have junk and
Speaker 1: they're always kind of work. Everyone does. But I think
Speaker 1: that marriages that seem to need to be done are
Speaker 1: the ones where there is no tangling. It's so done.
Speaker 1: And I have friend after friend after friend who like
Speaker 1: they're just waiting for the eight teen, waiting for the
Speaker 1: kids to go to college. But that's so kids. I
Speaker 1: don't want. If they're not happy years, they they're not miserable.
Speaker 1: There's just nothing. What is that and what do you
Speaker 1: do about that? Well, that that's just two people not
Speaker 1: growing together, or it could be mature companion at love.
Speaker 1: And you're judging it based on sexuality. You know, there
Speaker 1: are lots of wide range of sexualities and every kind
Speaker 1: of relationship. Some people have sex every day, some people
Speaker 1: have sex only on Christmas, you know, and and some
Speaker 1: don't have it for years. I mean, they're just there's
Speaker 1: a wide range of sexuality, So that's not a litmus
Speaker 1: test to judge a relationship. Um. And the highest divorce
Speaker 1: rate is when the empty nest happens because they forgot
Speaker 1: to repurpose their relationship, They forgot to create whatever retirement
Speaker 1: life they want to have together, and they grew separately. Um.
Speaker 1: I do think that there are some people that have
Speaker 1: kind of an avoidant attachment style, meaning that they're actually
Speaker 1: afraid of emotional intimacy, so they live like roommates in
Speaker 1: their house, nobody entering tender private areas of their psyche
Speaker 1: and living like perfect roommates together and for them that works.
Speaker 1: Now you and I would judge it because we're intimacy addicts.
Speaker 1: Why do you think I'm in this business? Right? I
Speaker 1: want to know it's in your mind. I want to
Speaker 1: feel what's happening, right, So I would look at it
Speaker 1: and go that would never work for me, but for
Speaker 1: them when they find for them, they're not happy. All
Speaker 1: these people telling me they're not happy. But I was
Speaker 1: telling you all these people, all I have girlfriend after
Speaker 1: girlfriend after girlfriend telling me these same stories where I
Speaker 1: think we're nailing it, but they're not happy. They don't
Speaker 1: like here, here's one of the saddest things. So I
Speaker 1: want to really quickly give you a tiny little lesson
Speaker 1: in attachment theory. So um and again this is just
Speaker 1: boiling it down to simple jargon for everybody. So attachment
Speaker 1: theory is the theory that looks at how and why
Speaker 1: we attached to people across the life's man and it's
Speaker 1: a long scale. Some people have a lot of anxiety
Speaker 1: and fear and preoccupation with their partners. They have easy
Speaker 1: abandonment issues. They're counting the minutes between the text why
Speaker 1: didn't he call? What's happening? And there's a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 1: Other people feel easily smothered and they're even the person
Speaker 1: just calls once and they're like, oh, this girl calls
Speaker 1: all the time. What's happening? And I don't mean to
Speaker 1: put gender on it, because there can be anxiously attaching
Speaker 1: guys um And so what happens is the longest relationships
Speaker 1: that are sometimes the most painful but often last the longest.
Speaker 1: Is the person who have the anxious attachment style who
Speaker 1: meets the avoidant person. And what happens is we're trying
Speaker 1: to work out our earlier It's all developed in early life,
Speaker 1: in the first twelve months of life, when our brain
Speaker 1: triples in size, and we make assumptions about whether the
Speaker 1: world can be trusted, whether mommy and daddy will be
Speaker 1: there when we cry, whether we will be picked up,
Speaker 1: whether we'll be left in a wet diaper, And so
Speaker 1: this is how we form a blueprint for love. That
Speaker 1: then we go out and cast, and we look, we
Speaker 1: cast and look for that perfect person who will play along. Oh,
Speaker 1: you'll be the daddy who promises to abandon me. You'll
Speaker 1: be the smothering mother. Okay, and it's on. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: fix it this time. So interesting enough, when people have
Speaker 1: an anxious attachment style, they're most often sexually attracted to
Speaker 1: the avoidant people. So it's a chase that always goes
Speaker 1: on with both unfulfilled needs. I believe that in a
Speaker 1: corner and shaking, crying, so again, happiness and duration are
Speaker 1: not necessarily linked. In other words, there are people in
Speaker 1: unhappy relationships who will stay together forever because that chase
Speaker 1: never ends and they're always feeling they're in love with longing,
Speaker 1: they're not in love with love. And in my in
Speaker 1: my personal opinion, just in the last year and a
Speaker 1: half with therapy of Jane and I've done and we've
Speaker 1: done personally as individuals and growing together is I know
Speaker 1: it's cliche to say communication is key, but I don't
Speaker 1: think a lot of relationships out there understand really the
Speaker 1: depth of communication that they need to get to and
Speaker 1: be rigorously honest with your partner and get to a
Speaker 1: place where you feel safe with that. And that's where
Speaker 1: Janna and I start are starting to get where we
Speaker 1: can be rigorously honest with fears or feelings and what
Speaker 1: we have going on where now we're not really as
Speaker 1: reactive to that as the partner, where we get scared
Speaker 1: or triggered from those feelings. Um and that those feelings
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with gender. They're human. You can
Speaker 1: be all man and fully masculine and in fact very
Speaker 1: responsible and in charge and control by expressing your feelings.
Speaker 1: That's one of the most masculine things out there. And
Speaker 1: the best person you want to be regulously honest with
Speaker 1: is yourself, right, and then I'm self aware and I
Speaker 1: think your friends just they're they're just again it maybe
Speaker 1: haven't communicated over the years, and you just grow so
Speaker 1: apart that you're just like, I don't like the person
Speaker 1: up next to you know, and that I'm sure that
Speaker 1: happens a lot of times in marriages because you're not
Speaker 1: growing together and they're not maybe not at their state
Speaker 1: of readiness, you're at their state of readiness, and they're
Speaker 1: not anxious person. That stating the avoidance person. These are
Speaker 1: These are the wonderful couples to get into couples therapy
Speaker 1: because you're basically teaching the anxious person to contain themselves
Speaker 1: a little bit and hang on, and you're also teaching
Speaker 1: the other one to come out of his or her
Speaker 1: shell and express their feelings. So that could take some time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it's not a quick I'm an avoidant. Jana's gets
Speaker 1: anxious and through the work that we've done, we've started
Speaker 1: to meet in the middle, to understand that her love
Speaker 1: will not smother you and engulf you, will not kill
Speaker 1: you in any way, that it's just there. Just allow
Speaker 1: it to be there. And in the other hand, he's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere and needing to know that he's checking
Speaker 1: in a certain number of times a day or showing
Speaker 1: his love for you. Here's my feeling. And I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about you in your relationship, but I will
Speaker 1: say it's common that the anxious person is always looking
Speaker 1: for the other person to express love. The gifts that
Speaker 1: you tell me, I'm pretty all this stuff. When we
Speaker 1: learn to love ourselves deeply, that's the only time we
Speaker 1: can really love somebody else and we are so fulfilled
Speaker 1: with our own self confidence and self love. Oh and
Speaker 1: that's when we become really sexy. By the way, Okay,
Speaker 1: can we read an email for Corey? One of our
Speaker 1: listeners wants um some Michael, and your name isn't there too? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is it from Corey? We struggle with intimacy issues. My
Speaker 1: husband and I tend to struggle with intimacy issues. I
Speaker 1: want to have sex way more often than he does,
Speaker 1: and I can tell it bothers him because the drive
Speaker 1: is not always there. It's a struggle to always feel
Speaker 1: like I'm nagging for sex to happen. If Michael is
Speaker 1: in the studio, can he shed light to a male's
Speaker 1: perspective on this and what I could do to help
Speaker 1: the situation? Janna, how do you deal with feeling that
Speaker 1: the one who instigates more often? If that's the case,
Speaker 1: because it is with me, which it is, I understand
Speaker 1: the biggest thing here is communicating about it, and we have,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't changed the situation. I've suggested therapy, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to go. He doesn't think we're at
Speaker 1: that point you want okay. So this is why whenever
Speaker 1: I talk about relationships, I talk about biology, sociology, and psychology.
Speaker 1: So biologically, sometimes people just have different levels of sex
Speaker 1: drives they have and usually when they see a sex
Speaker 1: therapist it's because of a high desire low desire dynamic,
Speaker 1: and there are exercises and work that you can do
Speaker 1: to get into something that works for both. Now, so sociology,
Speaker 1: what does your social group think is a normal amount
Speaker 1: of sex? Where what messages are you picking up from
Speaker 1: your culture about sex? Is sex supposed to mean that
Speaker 1: you're in love and if you're not having sex, he
Speaker 1: doesn't love you enough. Psychology, do we have an anxious
Speaker 1: attachment person because the way that our attachment style plays
Speaker 1: out is through our sexuality. Is she anxious and is
Speaker 1: he avoidant? And the more she's needed, the more his
Speaker 1: body shuts down? Right, So that's why all of these
Speaker 1: things needs to be teased out separately and discussed. Well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like I mean, she says she has talked
Speaker 1: about it. It It seems like they talked about it good way.
Speaker 1: She suggested therapy, but it isn't He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: go even think he's at that point. So what does
Speaker 1: she do when she's already tried to communicate? Here's the
Speaker 1: good news. Even an individual can go to couples therapy
Speaker 1: and change the relationship because relationships and families are a system,
Speaker 1: and if you change one cog in the system, the
Speaker 1: system can change. But what else, I mean, what else
Speaker 1: can she do besides having a different conversation. She's already
Speaker 1: had the conversation though, like being like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: The therapist will help her come to a deeper realization
Speaker 1: about what her needs are connected to her. The therapist
Speaker 1: will help her understand whether her sexual needs are related
Speaker 1: to her psychology and her neediness, or whether it's a
Speaker 1: sex drive issue. The psychologists will help her find a
Speaker 1: better way to communicate her needs or maybe given ultimatum,
Speaker 1: um there will be if she can change her reaction
Speaker 1: to him through getting to know herself better, and that
Speaker 1: can change the relationship. Again, you don't go into therapy
Speaker 1: saying I'm going to get him to do this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get her to do this. You go into therapy
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna know me more so I can react
Speaker 1: differently to the world. You know. That's that is a
Speaker 1: great point. I hope people really heard that, because again,
Speaker 1: just we can only go back on what Jana and
Speaker 1: I have experienced personally and when we started therapy. Um,
Speaker 1: just since everything happened a year and a half ago.
Speaker 1: I feel like at the beginning of us going to
Speaker 1: individual couples therapy, it was about how can I you know,
Speaker 1: more about talking about our partner and how can we
Speaker 1: get them to do what we want or not do
Speaker 1: what we don't want? Started? Yeah, that if that's how
Speaker 1: it feels like it started, at least for me, and
Speaker 1: then then finally gets into you graduate into the place
Speaker 1: of you're not going to talk about your partner, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about yourself and your reaction to your
Speaker 1: The changes actually happened, and that's what I've seen personally.
Speaker 1: I think Jane can attested that too. And they may
Speaker 1: not happen in the way you envisioned, but because you're
Speaker 1: a different, different person in the dynamic, your needs may change.
Speaker 1: So what do you think of her perspective? Like what
Speaker 1: would you say? They're married? Yeah, they're married. She wants
Speaker 1: to have sex more than he does. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: how does you know? How does can you shed light
Speaker 1: to a male's perspective on this? Like what can I
Speaker 1: do to help the situation? Like, so what could she
Speaker 1: do to like to say if they've been married? Doesn't
Speaker 1: say if they're ma, it's just my husband and I
Speaker 1: m for me as an avoidant and one with intimacy issues,
Speaker 1: I don't know. In that title programming your Brain, that's
Speaker 1: how I started. That is how I started acknowledge acknowledge
Speaker 1: that because I know the work that I need to
Speaker 1: do and the work that I am doing. So that's
Speaker 1: why I acknowledge that, because that is someone who I
Speaker 1: still am in certain scenarios and I'm working not to
Speaker 1: be um, but for me, a lot of it comes
Speaker 1: with performance anxiety because I am an avoidant and knowing
Speaker 1: that maybe his spouse is someone who's anxious, and maybe
Speaker 1: your love language is physical touch, where any time that
Speaker 1: she may want to start to get physical, he might
Speaker 1: automatically think, Okay, I have to have sex, Like that's
Speaker 1: the verb, that's the verb. Is that my go in
Speaker 1: his head is I have to do this. Well, that's
Speaker 1: not what you want. You don't want to say I
Speaker 1: have to do this. You want to be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to do this. I just know that from
Speaker 1: experience where I've had feelings in my head where I've
Speaker 1: said I have to do this right now, and maybe
Speaker 1: you just start off a little bit. And these are
Speaker 1: things that you know, Jen and I have done at
Speaker 1: times where it's hey, let's just let's just kiss, let's
Speaker 1: just can you just hold me, hold me for a
Speaker 1: little bit and warm him up, where it's not like
Speaker 1: all or nothing, where it's you're away from him because
Speaker 1: you know he doesn't want anything, but just bring it
Speaker 1: up to him like, hey, will you just hold me
Speaker 1: for a little bit, No expectations, no pressure to perform. No,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to have sex, no have to anything.
Speaker 1: In fact, what you're describing is something I talked about
Speaker 1: on my CAFI show this week, which our sense ate
Speaker 1: Focus exercises. And the first thing a sex therapist does
Speaker 1: with a couple that walks in with a high high
Speaker 1: dynamic or high desire low desire dynamic is they say
Speaker 1: no sex for six weeks, so to take all the
Speaker 1: pressure off. Because what ends up happening is that one couple,
Speaker 1: one person says, well, if you stop nagging me and
Speaker 1: wait until I come to you, and the other one
Speaker 1: goes okay, So they grit their teeth and everybody's walking
Speaker 1: on eggshells and nothing's happening. So instead the doctor steps
Speaker 1: in and says, I prescribe that you do not have
Speaker 1: any sex at all for six weeks. However, you have
Speaker 1: to do a week of just handholding, you have to
Speaker 1: do a week of just foot massages, you have to
Speaker 1: do a week of back missile and you are not
Speaker 1: allowed to touch the genitals. You are not allowed to
Speaker 1: reach orgasm until six weeks. And so what that does
Speaker 1: is takes the sensation out of the genitals. Because another
Speaker 1: problem that happens with long terminogamy is that everybody knows
Speaker 1: each other's body so well. They know they're highlight reel.
Speaker 1: They go right to their hits and um. Therefore there's
Speaker 1: no novelty, there's no variety, and sex is exciting when
Speaker 1: it has variety in it. The other thing they do,
Speaker 1: especially when there's kids in the houses, they schedule their
Speaker 1: sex around childcare and working and everything else. So it's
Speaker 1: a predictable time, it's a predictable place. It's a predictable position.
Speaker 1: That will kill a sex life faster than anything. So
Speaker 1: having a sex therapist step in and go, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's take sex off the table for six weeks and
Speaker 1: go back into the arow. So you felt on your
Speaker 1: fingertips on your first date, what do you do for
Speaker 1: the like? I mean, I know I felt this at
Speaker 1: times where it's it just feels like such rejection and
Speaker 1: like you don't feel pretty enough. You don't, so it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you not take that on?
Speaker 1: Not to make them think that that's like I'm a
Speaker 1: big believer in reframing, and so what I would tell
Speaker 1: myself is, wow, this guy must be pretty confident if
Speaker 1: he turned down this tent. If you turned down this
Speaker 1: tent and I'm like, I'm so ugly, baby in my belly,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's beautiful. Don't guys find pregnant women sexy?
Speaker 1: There's something sexy about little but there are Yeah, you
Speaker 1: go ahead and sorry, yeah no. I was just telling
Speaker 1: Janna that, you know, I think last week of how
Speaker 1: beautiful I think she looks now it' sexually, especially with
Speaker 1: how um this and I was on the first pregnancy,
Speaker 1: with the issues that were going on. Just now I'm
Speaker 1: being able to see it through different lands where I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: you are beautiful, like just glowing, and I I finally
Speaker 1: see that like through my own eyes because before they
Speaker 1: are clouded. And the other thing I want to say,
Speaker 1: we always think that the Horror Madonna syndrome is in
Speaker 1: a man's head only, meaning that some men aren't sexually
Speaker 1: correct attracted to women when they're pregnant or mothers are
Speaker 1: nursing or whatever. Um, they have this concept in their
Speaker 1: head that they're two women and only one is effable, right,
Speaker 1: and so, but it can happen in um in a
Speaker 1: woman's head as well. So it's really hard when you're
Speaker 1: nursing and you're pregnant to turn all those mommy hormones
Speaker 1: off and go back into your vixen. There are guys though, too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a girlfriend that's pregnant and she's
Speaker 1: having a hard time because her her husband is you know,
Speaker 1: he's not into it, not into the pregnant really hard.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's definitely hard. But but also
Speaker 1: like once she communicated with him, it wasn't just about her.
Speaker 1: It's about how he's also feeling like he feels a
Speaker 1: lot of shape, so he doesn't feel sexy. So there's
Speaker 1: like different layers with so much stuff. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's just I mean, Corey Hope, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like those are some great tips from Michael
Speaker 1: and Wendy. Um. But Wendy, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: can find me anytime on the Heart Radio app just
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Wendy. Okay, So, Sarah, you know that I'm
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Speaker 1: we have a numerologist here, like just walked in the studio.
Speaker 1: He's so cool, like you just like you look just
Speaker 1: so cool. I try the guys. This is Remington Donna. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for those speaking for my husband and to me too,
Speaker 1: I'm just my girlfriend. Sarah is like all about this,
Speaker 1: like she knows the number, like she's she's like a
Speaker 1: crazy into this kind of stuff. So we'll we'll get
Speaker 1: to you, but let's start with here here. Well, let's
Speaker 1: get to my husband, because I know you have no
Speaker 1: idea what a numerologist is, right, No, I have an
Speaker 1: idea of everything else. I feel like this has been
Speaker 1: a theme, like let's test Mike skepticism every episode. Mediums
Speaker 1: and sidekicks and astrologers now numerologists. It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do it great. I literally got interviewed recently and
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I usually don't try to do anything
Speaker 1: for skeptics. I don't need to prove myself. But it's
Speaker 1: not like, you know, I just want to say a
Speaker 1: couple of things. It's kind of like, here's a here's
Speaker 1: a message, here's a message of your soul, and you
Speaker 1: can take it in a lot of different directions. And
Speaker 1: it's not so much just the numbers that kind of
Speaker 1: triggers an intuitive psychological response that starts to open up
Speaker 1: a process. And it's so it's it's similar to say astrology.
Speaker 1: You know, I use your birthday. It's really simple. Somebody
Speaker 1: else has your exact same birthday, but it's still not
Speaker 1: the same year. But yeah, um that everybody gave me
Speaker 1: their real year. But it does it creates a process.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have to be honest, I'm amazed every time.
Speaker 1: And I this is what I literally do for a living,
Speaker 1: and I consult with people every day and I'm booked
Speaker 1: solid and um every time it opens something up and
Speaker 1: I'm still like a little kid, and I still love
Speaker 1: how did you get into this? Like what is it?
Speaker 1: Was it? Just like was it? Was? There? A number
Speaker 1: always in your head and you're like, why is this
Speaker 1: coming to me? Or well I have so I grew
Speaker 1: up total hippie parents on like a yoga community. Um
Speaker 1: so which part of it is actually in Virginia now
Speaker 1: and I think that's where you're born, so um but
Speaker 1: uh so being in that kind of environment, I definitely
Speaker 1: see it more through kind of a spiritual perspective. What
Speaker 1: is the evolution of your soul? How can you use
Speaker 1: this to increase and expand and have a better life.
Speaker 1: So that spiritual experience is really this this expansion and
Speaker 1: this betterment of you, and somehow it comes through these numbers.
Speaker 1: So I've just always had an interest in these deeper studies,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely from a kind of more devotional, kind
Speaker 1: of loving perspective, and then you had to actually study
Speaker 1: like what these numbers mean is that, Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a background in years and something called mystical Kabbalah and
Speaker 1: that ties in a lot of number. So I'm actually
Speaker 1: an astrologer, numerologist. I read hetero and then I'll have
Speaker 1: when I do it, when I do a session with someone,
Speaker 1: I combine all of that. But for some reason, I'm
Speaker 1: more known numerology. It has a ring to it. But um,
Speaker 1: I'm not. It's like crazy number obsessed, like I'm not tracking,
Speaker 1: Like oh my god, that license plates at seven four two,
Speaker 1: and I saw that in my receipt. But I will
Speaker 1: notice it like I hadn't experience. I know, this was
Speaker 1: like a year ago. I kept seeing the number seventeen,
Speaker 1: like I had a receipt. It was like seventy one seventeen,
Speaker 1: and something else was seventeen seventy one. I parked behind
Speaker 1: a license places like seventeen seventeen. I went and got
Speaker 1: a taco and my number was seventeen. And I told
Speaker 1: my girlfriend and she was in Italy. She was by
Speaker 1: a casino and yes, and I kept Gina and I
Speaker 1: kept saying, I'm c seventeen everywhere, And so she went
Speaker 1: to a room, are you? So she went to a
Speaker 1: roue what what roulette wheel? And I'm not a gambler,
Speaker 1: and she put everything on seventeen and on how many
Speaker 1: times have you won the lottery? I've oh, yeah, then
Speaker 1: the lottery is for seventeen million dollars once. I'm like
Speaker 1: that right after all the seventeen I played totally lost,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was. You gotta have
Speaker 1: some perspective. People get totally their heads in the clouds.
Speaker 1: I get emails and messages daily that are like, okay,
Speaker 1: like a whole list of forty numbers that they see,
Speaker 1: like what does it mean. I'm like, it means you
Speaker 1: should probably start paying attention to the road, you know.
Speaker 1: I was like in a store once and this guy
Speaker 1: runs out. He's like, oh my god, your bill it
Speaker 1: was nineteen dollars and forty three cents. Wasn't mean Like
Speaker 1: around l A, I'm kind of known for it, And
Speaker 1: I was like it just it means I spent way
Speaker 1: too much money for like a bottle of water and
Speaker 1: a gluten free donut in Los Angeles. So I definitely
Speaker 1: have some perspective. But what it does, it's very um.
Speaker 1: It has a deep message of of your soul. So
Speaker 1: I and it's literally just these few I have a
Speaker 1: little notebook here, there's okay, you want to go start
Speaker 1: with Mike and I okay, so I'm gonna start with you.
Speaker 1: So Mike, so I have these numbers there's these different
Speaker 1: placements sort of like an astrology chart, like you have
Speaker 1: a sun sign, a moon sign, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: someone's a sagittarius or scorpio. Um. So this you have
Speaker 1: these different placements. And so Mike is a soul of
Speaker 1: eight and you can take so eight on its surface
Speaker 1: is an energy. It's actually somebody who's very much a healer.
Speaker 1: And what eight is is a symbol of is the
Speaker 1: sort of life force of the universe. And so where
Speaker 1: do you take it from there? So in a really
Speaker 1: good note, this says, Okay, Mike has a soul that's
Speaker 1: very enthusiastic, it's high energy, and it's it really loves
Speaker 1: to be of service. And even your numerology together, so um,
Speaker 1: you have a you have a gift of eight. So
Speaker 1: you guys together actually create a very uplifting, very enthusiastic,
Speaker 1: very healing energy. Does that mean you have to go
Speaker 1: to med school or study like Raiky or become like
Speaker 1: a clear light healer. No, but it means that you
Speaker 1: have an energy force and you have a lot of
Speaker 1: power and a lot of vitality, and there's excitement and
Speaker 1: there's enthusiasm, and it just wants to help others. Then
Speaker 1: we have a karma of two. So then we look
Speaker 1: at the things. What are the things to look at?
Speaker 1: You guys actually make a great relationship because there's actually
Speaker 1: a healthy code dependence. There can be a negative code dependence.
Speaker 1: I know that where it sounds is generally negative. But
Speaker 1: two is this very open you. You have a Jana
Speaker 1: has a two soul, Mike, you have a two karma.
Speaker 1: Karma is just the thing that we're born to work on,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to learn, we're supposed to master. And that
Speaker 1: is very man it's very loving. It's almost like a
Speaker 1: big hug. But then it's negative tendency is going to say, well,
Speaker 1: I love I really want to belong. So you guys
Speaker 1: have a collective energy that loves connection, it loves family,
Speaker 1: it loves community. The downside of that is, okay, I
Speaker 1: love fulfillment, but what am I fulfilling myself with? Where
Speaker 1: am I looking outside of myself to consume? So it
Speaker 1: can come through overeating, intoxication. Um, you know, being so
Speaker 1: caught up in a relationship or an outside issue to
Speaker 1: expand you and you lose track that what it really
Speaker 1: is is your very powerful open conduits. It's something much
Speaker 1: more sacred, So go for that. You have a gift though,
Speaker 1: of being very orderly. Six is very has a lot
Speaker 1: of follow through, a lot of consistency. It's a very
Speaker 1: diligent number unless you take the I'm a total slack
Speaker 1: around um well. Six is sort of like the orbit
Speaker 1: of the sun. So in a way that can get
Speaker 1: into a rut like six cannot make change. You can
Speaker 1: go through like an orderly flow. Six is the um
Speaker 1: It's like the cosmic harmony of the universe. That's something
Speaker 1: that you're talented at. Sometimes we don't know we have
Speaker 1: those gifts, to know that you actually have talents in
Speaker 1: creating order uplifting spaces. You're in the underfield that shows
Speaker 1: up and it's like, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I love that guy who's just vibrant and awesome. But
Speaker 1: what you have to work on is what are you
Speaker 1: opening up to? Yeah, but part of you, part of Mike,
Speaker 1: actually likes to hide and that comes through ten and
Speaker 1: ten is this very extreme. Ten is the number of
Speaker 1: greatness of nobility. It is the number of a king
Speaker 1: of a queen has an energy of fame about it.
Speaker 1: It's radiance how noble and radiant are you? And how
Speaker 1: are you? How cool are you? Just staying in that
Speaker 1: kind of energy of that and how much do you
Speaker 1: um take any perceived failures in your life and really
Speaker 1: build on it. It's this extreme. It's like I deal
Speaker 1: with a lot of actors in Los Angeles, and people
Speaker 1: that have incredibly successful careers will have all these tens
Speaker 1: and then they think they're total failures because they haven't
Speaker 1: won an Oscar, but they've been on tons of shows
Speaker 1: they've done really well. So you know, Mike would be
Speaker 1: really good to just be like, look at whatever you
Speaker 1: think is a failure and realize that ten is always
Speaker 1: a number of success and greatness. This is a huge
Speaker 1: energy field, like you're a powerhouse, but on a really
Speaker 1: deep soul level, Mike's very much a healer, and it's
Speaker 1: somebody who wants to show up and make everything better
Speaker 1: for everybody. And it's You're like you elevate people, you
Speaker 1: encourage people, and and on a keynote is really how
Speaker 1: how do you show up to a situation not only
Speaker 1: do you make it better? Only only do I sort
Speaker 1: of out charm this sort of someone's having a bad day, Mike,
Speaker 1: you can just show up be yourself, but you make
Speaker 1: people feel safe and that's a really big talent and
Speaker 1: gift and people will actually see you more as a
Speaker 1: teacher to start to think what can you do that
Speaker 1: just so even if it's like charity work, but in
Speaker 1: some way the things that are going to be the
Speaker 1: healthiest for Mike or like really deep community, family connections,
Speaker 1: love both of you like love love and uh, but Mike,
Speaker 1: you're you're really a teacher who who elevates everything and
Speaker 1: and makes it better and and a healer and and
Speaker 1: again take that on that sort of abstract these ideas
Speaker 1: you hide, there's a part of you that high that
Speaker 1: like stay great and you're gonna be good. I appreciate that. Um,
Speaker 1: but I love like the two because the dynamic that
Speaker 1: you guys with with Jenna, like your soul is too.
Speaker 1: It means you're very open. It's very how open Sometimes
Speaker 1: lessons they're like and the soul is like, here's your you,
Speaker 1: But how open are you? You know? Sometimes it takes
Speaker 1: discernment what am I again? Like I said, one of
Speaker 1: my fulfilling But you guys together have this match that
Speaker 1: just the deeper you go, the better it is. And um,
Speaker 1: but you have a gift of a levin Well, the
Speaker 1: leven is called sound. So literally your talents have to
Speaker 1: do with using voice with sound, playing music, talking on
Speaker 1: the radio. So but what what it is too is
Speaker 1: it's it's an expansion of your kind of frequency, is
Speaker 1: the way I put it. So everything about you has
Speaker 1: a natural tendency. You have gifts to head it out
Speaker 1: to the world. So what like the things that you
Speaker 1: can really that's really good for even like investing money
Speaker 1: for example, it's the kind of energy that says, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a little work in the moment, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hand it off, I'm gonna let something else, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let the universe in some level of another cultivate
Speaker 1: it and grow it. Do you have like a product line,
Speaker 1: because that is really good for product line for getting
Speaker 1: it right now you Well, that's your gift. You have
Speaker 1: to do it. You have to learn to be more
Speaker 1: of a boss. You know you have you literally have
Speaker 1: to own it. These are some of the biggest things
Speaker 1: that are going to make a difference in your life.
Speaker 1: Is going to say okay, it's okay for me to
Speaker 1: speak up for my needs and what I want and
Speaker 1: just sort of and it means doesn't mean you have
Speaker 1: to be a harsh B word means you can be
Speaker 1: really cool. So communication is going to be key for you,
Speaker 1: knowing where you set boundaries so things don't get to
Speaker 1: a point where you're just f and pissed and resentful
Speaker 1: and and keeping a bottled and I mean we all
Speaker 1: do that at some point. But for you too, is
Speaker 1: really learning to step into your real courage, your real
Speaker 1: authority and you have you literally some of the things
Speaker 1: I would say you were born to learn. It's kind
Speaker 1: of how to run a run a business, be a boss,
Speaker 1: be an authority, and use your leving gift that says
Speaker 1: the world is going to receive the things that you
Speaker 1: put out there. So something like, I mean this is
Speaker 1: great like doing a radio show, being a musician. Eleven
Speaker 1: has an energy, you know, acting it needs to be seen.
Speaker 1: But like think of yourself as an entrepreneur, run I
Speaker 1: would say, start, get a product line going, and it
Speaker 1: can be really successful as long as you know how
Speaker 1: to like just hone it in. You also have a
Speaker 1: path of eight. You both have this path of that
Speaker 1: enthusiastic kind of healer energy and at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's really about how are we of service
Speaker 1: to others? How do we help others? Yes by being
Speaker 1: kind of a natural teacher and say I'm gonna show
Speaker 1: up and make it better and make you feel safe
Speaker 1: for him and make you feel good about your life,
Speaker 1: like you would be a great like. Um you know
Speaker 1: those like and why am I totally going blank on
Speaker 1: those like speakers? A motivational speaker kind of energy. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you have to go do that, but know
Speaker 1: that that's an energy that you bring where people feel
Speaker 1: safe and good. But uh, Janet, you gotta be a boss.
Speaker 1: You gotta be cool with it. You gotta speak up.
Speaker 1: I know you speak probably all day for a living,
Speaker 1: but it's really no. Hey, it's okay for me to
Speaker 1: go for what I want. I'm not being selfish, and
Speaker 1: I can create order and structure. And you have to
Speaker 1: learn where Mike is a natural teacher, people actually see
Speaker 1: you as a teacher and as a guide and somebody
Speaker 1: who makes it better. You have to step into that
Speaker 1: role and that comes from the number five. Um. Five
Speaker 1: is also physical. So you know, pro athlete is going
Speaker 1: to be the best easiest extreme Like whoa actual pro
Speaker 1: athlete here? But it's really the number of a teacher.
Speaker 1: You have to learn about that just knowing them. Like
Speaker 1: even when I come talk, Mike is always like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about like with my life problems totally, and
Speaker 1: you speak up for everyone, all your friends. She's like
Speaker 1: a writer or die. So then that makes sense, like
Speaker 1: now do it for yourself? Yeah, oh yes, but you
Speaker 1: have a really the two souls. You have a very
Speaker 1: and you have it what's called the projection, so you
Speaker 1: may be heard from that astrologer like you have rising signs,
Speaker 1: which is sort of that's the idea of how you
Speaker 1: come off. You have a projection. This is Jannah has
Speaker 1: a projection of a number called four, which is all love.
Speaker 1: Everyone is going to see you as just holding this
Speaker 1: really loving space, so make the most of it. It's
Speaker 1: very not very accepting, very compassionate. What do I have
Speaker 1: to be aware of? Well, it's the um for you.
Speaker 1: It's viewing the world as working in your favor and
Speaker 1: that outside influences are in a threat and that things
Speaker 1: aren't working against you. And some level does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Like that comes from your karma of three where you
Speaker 1: might shut down. Uh, Mike's kind of even too open,
Speaker 1: like to like possibilities. But both of you have this thing,
Speaker 1: so look at like how open I am I to
Speaker 1: possibilities and expansion And where do I have the discernment
Speaker 1: to say no, that's not going to serve a higher
Speaker 1: purpose for me. But you're both our teacher. You have
Speaker 1: to learn Jan has to learn to be a little
Speaker 1: more of a teacher. But you're here to really as
Speaker 1: jeesy as it sounds, you're really here to uplift and
Speaker 1: help others shift the world and collectively your ten energy,
Speaker 1: you guys together have a soul of ten, experience of ten.
Speaker 1: You gotta stay shut. You guys help each other stay
Speaker 1: completely radiant at all times. It's like the sun. The
Speaker 1: sun is a symbol of radiance because the sun is
Speaker 1: always shiny and the sun is always giving. That's that
Speaker 1: energy and a lot of prosperity comes from that ten.
Speaker 1: But together, you guys have a path of seven and
Speaker 1: that's the number that says I want to make this
Speaker 1: better for everybody. I mean, you're like spot on with everything,
Speaker 1: with everything like we have. Sarah's over there doing a
Speaker 1: round of applause. Um, yeah, because we have We definitely
Speaker 1: are working on things to be able to publicly speaking,
Speaker 1: and Mike wants to go out there and take that rain,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm working on the business and so
Speaker 1: it's just together, we're working on our brand to help people.
Speaker 1: And so that's that's huge. You need to like help
Speaker 1: Mike have the confidence to stay radiant all the time
Speaker 1: and really be comfortable in that and to say, hey,
Speaker 1: you're an awesome guy and you have so much to
Speaker 1: give and share. If I had emotional problems, I'd be
Speaker 1: going to Mike. I love that. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's true that because he's like he's just now really
Speaker 1: starting to like open up to the idea of being
Speaker 1: able to help others with through his experiences because he
Speaker 1: has been through a lot. So I think it's and
Speaker 1: this is now the third time you've heard this just
Speaker 1: in this setting, so I know the only ones that
Speaker 1: are the only ones that carried away are honestly the
Speaker 1: astrologist and now Remington because the other stuff, I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's two subjective mediums and it's like nothing
Speaker 1: against that wherever for whatever people want to believe is fine,
Speaker 1: but for me, I feel like this is a little
Speaker 1: bit more concrete where there's not a lot of manipulation,
Speaker 1: at least in my skeptic mind. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of manipulation with numbers and in stars and maligning. I
Speaker 1: think it is what it is, um, So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just have a lot of shame behind things still
Speaker 1: that stopped me. And Jan is always there to cheer
Speaker 1: me on and encourage me. So that makes sense. That's
Speaker 1: a great way to put it. I try to keep
Speaker 1: it really simple and real. And when people call me
Speaker 1: a psychic, I kind of I'm like, it's not. It
Speaker 1: just opens up in intuitive process, just if you were
Speaker 1: a psychologist or it's it's more like being an artist.
Speaker 1: I'm more fascinated that somebody like you write a song,
Speaker 1: it comes through, it comes out, and you manifest that
Speaker 1: you turn into reality. And these are just little things
Speaker 1: that say, hey, here's some clues, here's some tendencies, and
Speaker 1: here's a formula whatever you're doing in your life. If
Speaker 1: you guys like owned a coffee stand, you could still
Speaker 1: use You're just like, hey, we're giving coffee. That is
Speaker 1: like uplifts everybody. Um. And just so you know too, though,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good uh, A lot of those
Speaker 1: eights and that enthusiasm, the energy and that level. That's
Speaker 1: all good for financial expansion too. So yeah, so be
Speaker 1: cool with that chas email six months but um, don't
Speaker 1: uh make sure, Mike, like just stay stay in that
Speaker 1: greatness and don't it Ten wants to doubt itself. Ten,
Speaker 1: this is the thing for you to work on. Ten
Speaker 1: is somebody who has has greatness and success and love
Speaker 1: and his lying in bed thinking I'm kind of a
Speaker 1: miserable failure at life. And I'm not saying you go
Speaker 1: that extreme. I say, that's kind of a funny way.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the super extreme. It's like that, Um
Speaker 1: I always describe it was that movie Talladega Nights. Do
Speaker 1: you guys see that where the Will Ferrell's character's dad
Speaker 1: is always like, boy, if you ain't first your last,
Speaker 1: that's ten. If I didn't if I'm not first place,
Speaker 1: if I didn't win forty super Bowls, if I didn't
Speaker 1: you know, get an oscar, if I didn't always be
Speaker 1: at what I think the top of my game is,
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm completely failed and I don't want to
Speaker 1: show myself to the world. And you know what, It's okay.
Speaker 1: You have to show yourself to the world because you're
Speaker 1: here to heal it and help it and make everything
Speaker 1: feel better. And we need a world that people are
Speaker 1: allowing people to feel safe it is and that is
Speaker 1: literally one of the hardest things for me to do
Speaker 1: because I do have that mentality, and I don't feel
Speaker 1: like anything I've accomplished is good enough and that there
Speaker 1: I just always feel like no matter even though if
Speaker 1: I look back, I know I tried as hard as
Speaker 1: I could or did everything I possibly could that was
Speaker 1: within my power, and things still didn't happen my the
Speaker 1: way I wanted them to. I still feel like I
Speaker 1: could have done more. Like I'm never satisfied with what
Speaker 1: I do, which is very hard to live with at times.
Speaker 1: So Jane is always there to encourage me to. I mean,
Speaker 1: I totally understand. You're the person that who's always encouraging
Speaker 1: everybody else and it takes a little practice to put
Speaker 1: it towards yourself, you know, Jane, just you give all love,
Speaker 1: like you know how to make connections now and like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know an emotional human interaction way that's really deep,
Speaker 1: it's very sincere, but even on a a practical real
Speaker 1: world way, like you know how to like let's say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to expand and I wanna I don't know,
Speaker 1: it might be a dumb example, but I want to
Speaker 1: get this person on the show that to energy. It's
Speaker 1: just like a just hug it all in, everything that
Speaker 1: you want, just kind of love it all in and
Speaker 1: give it back out to the world. There's no way
Speaker 1: you can't do awesomely well with these numbers. And you
Speaker 1: guys together have a relationship that encouraged so much healing,
Speaker 1: greatness and emotional support, and that's what we're trying to
Speaker 1: do on the show. Actually, So that's amazing. Um, I
Speaker 1: have to love it. You have to go so I
Speaker 1: love you and have a field day with this one.
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Speaker 1: got some time for my girl over here, because she's
Speaker 1: like she needs as much help as possible. What's funny,
Speaker 1: all three of you have all of this energy and
Speaker 1: paths of eight eight is this is very It's it's
Speaker 1: it's the life force. It's the life of the party. Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's the life of the party that shows up.
Speaker 1: Sure you can take that into like a crazy, wild, fun,
Speaker 1: decadent way and call me later, but um, what I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that same healing energy. So it's like know that
Speaker 1: you know Sarah know that you show up and and
Speaker 1: you bring that enthusiasm. But you have to look at two.
Speaker 1: For you, how far do you push yourself where you
Speaker 1: go to an extreme and then you crash and burn,
Speaker 1: then crash and burn, then crash and burn. So I'd
Speaker 1: say take some sort of adrenal vitamin supplement. But um,
Speaker 1: you also have the same thing about learning. If the
Speaker 1: more you speak up for yourself, the more you use
Speaker 1: your voice. Um, you actually have an eleven soul and
Speaker 1: that's the soul so and um, Jen actually want to get.
Speaker 1: Your gift is an eleven Levin is the number that
Speaker 1: literally can do anything. It's the number of anything. And
Speaker 1: you'll often meet people with eleven and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I have a consulting company and then I like to
Speaker 1: do weaving on the side, and then I do and
Speaker 1: then I do craft shows. It you know you? For example, Jen,
Speaker 1: I know you you sing, your an actor and a
Speaker 1: radio show host. Um, I don't know you personally. Uh well,
Speaker 1: I don't actually just met everybody, but I could like
Speaker 1: google stuff. I have that gift in my numbers googling.
Speaker 1: But um, Sarah, you haven't eleven soul. That again, you
Speaker 1: have to realize that you're who you are is trying
Speaker 1: to get out to the world more and don't limit
Speaker 1: yourself to think, oh I have to do one like
Speaker 1: sort of one dimensional thing career wise, like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is it? So so why don't you embrace the fact
Speaker 1: that you have talents to do everything? I mean both
Speaker 1: of you. Um, but you need to know that and
Speaker 1: to know that whatever thinking tells you, Oh, I'm only
Speaker 1: supposed to do one thing in life, forget about that.
Speaker 1: What about relationship though? Geez, well, very sensitive? That's so
Speaker 1: you have, Well, you have a gift of nine. Nine
Speaker 1: is the most sensitive, most sophisticated, most gentle number. It's
Speaker 1: highly intelligent, it's very intuitive, it's very psychic. But uh,
Speaker 1: it can be so sensitive that it just trips out
Speaker 1: and blows everything out of proportion. So let's take relationships,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you for you, like, where do you compromise yourself?
Speaker 1: Where do you accept just good enough and then get
Speaker 1: into a complacent rut and never cause change? Oh I
Speaker 1: can see it. Um, that's those are those are your
Speaker 1: lessons to learn. You have to learn to really stand
Speaker 1: up for the for quality. Eleven is the number that
Speaker 1: everything will kind of come to you and everything will
Speaker 1: work out, but then it can get lazy. And then
Speaker 1: so let's take your relationship. How many relationships have you
Speaker 1: been in where you're just like, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: sort of it's okay, it's not really good enough, and
Speaker 1: I nobody's listening, but uh, and you just sort of
Speaker 1: let it go on because you don't even want it.
Speaker 1: You're afraid to assert yourself and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: this doesn't serve a bigger purpose for me, and then
Speaker 1: you have ten experien and so it's also tells me
Speaker 1: sort of like Mike, what part of you says, I'm
Speaker 1: maybe not worthy enough to attract the quality relationship that
Speaker 1: I have. You need to find somebody. A lot of
Speaker 1: times with relationship work is getting a better understanding of
Speaker 1: yourself to know, hey, I should attract somebody of this
Speaker 1: sort of caliber that really aids in my existence, and
Speaker 1: then I will help that person. And eleven is a
Speaker 1: very great, very expansive, very big number. You can't puts around.
Speaker 1: Levin will just puts around and not figure it out
Speaker 1: because it's sort of like, especially even with options of dating,
Speaker 1: it's like you can go on like an app and
Speaker 1: you're just constantly swiping eleven is the number of all numbers,
Speaker 1: so all numbers are contained within eleven. I was described
Speaker 1: it's like watching Netflix, so let's look at that like dating.
Speaker 1: You can put it on next thing. You know, you've
Speaker 1: spent an hour just scrolling through a trillion options and
Speaker 1: then you're like there's nothing and it's like this sort
Speaker 1: of ce. So just make your mark, set your boundary.
Speaker 1: Know you're worth You're a freaking eight. Like that was fun,
Speaker 1: high energy, vital, enthusiastic person to be around. And you
Speaker 1: have to own your tent. You have to say every
Speaker 1: freaking day, I'm so radiant, I'm so beautiful, I'm a tent. Okay,
Speaker 1: just tell yourself you gotta wake up instead of like
Speaker 1: I'm just like a puts and I'll just go along
Speaker 1: with whatever seems good enough. I mean, right, where can
Speaker 1: my listeners find you? So well, Remington Donovan, I have
Speaker 1: a website which is my name, Remington Donovan dot com.
Speaker 1: But I love Instagram and I do a lot. I
Speaker 1: actually do a little thing where I pick a tarot
Speaker 1: card every day and I give a little lesson about it.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about the numbers and that. My Instagram, well
Speaker 1: it's the mystical arts, but it's Remington Donovan if you
Speaker 1: look that up. Those are probably the best ways. And
Speaker 1: then for private sessions, usually through my website, and you're
Speaker 1: booked out for like life for well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be out of the country for a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: actually teaching a lot in Spain right now. But once
Speaker 1: I get back, yeah, things are there's still be openings.
Speaker 1: You may have to wait a mind. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: you are awesome and I cannot thank you enough for
Speaker 1: bringing your numeralgy. I love it. You guys are great
Speaker 1: and own it you, guys. To one last note, you
Speaker 1: have a very just in the numbers. You have a
Speaker 1: very beautiful, very loving relationship. Just always work it out.
Speaker 1: There's so much love there and so much connection and
Speaker 1: there's so much healing and Sarah, you're freaking tent alright,
Speaker 1: just own it. Thanks guys. Okay, how are you doing? Girl?
Speaker 1: I mean we like, I feel totally set up, like
Speaker 1: this was planned. It wasn't planned. I swear it was
Speaker 1: not planned, but I mean, like, how was it for you?
Speaker 1: Like do you feel I mean not only are you
Speaker 1: attend that's what Remington said, but I mean the things
Speaker 1: that you know Dr Wendy Walsh said to you and
Speaker 1: just the conversation, how are you are you? Are you okay?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good. But I think it's because I've never
Speaker 1: had like a I mean I talked to like you
Speaker 1: and people I've never had like a specialist get all
Speaker 1: up in my grill and she was up in it
Speaker 1: and you don't know, I mean, like I said, I
Speaker 1: know she said, like I got an ultimatum or and
Speaker 1: then break up and they get back together. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like, am I really going
Speaker 1: to do anything? You're just gonna be happy, But you
Speaker 1: do need to set something though. That is and I
Speaker 1: what if you say, hey, this is what I want
Speaker 1: and I'd love to oh he knows what I want
Speaker 1: and say, well, when do you want it? I know
Speaker 1: whatever I need to get there. I just hope he
Speaker 1: doesn't want it to God, no kidding, I hope nobody
Speaker 1: I know who listen to um. But seriously, thank you
Speaker 1: for being a show. I swear I didn't set you up,
Speaker 1: even though I was. My girlfriend Katherine always saying I'm
Speaker 1: setting her up whatever mean she's on, But no, I
Speaker 1: swear to you this was not a setup. And I
Speaker 1: love you, I love you. And um, just a huge
Speaker 1: thank you to Remington Donovan, our numerologist and then Dr
Speaker 1: Wendy Walsh for just being fantastic guests on our show. UM,
Speaker 1: and thank you Sarah. Hopefully you'll come back. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: This was my opener to come to Vegas. Until next time,
Speaker 1: We're wine down later