Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome into the week thirteen recap.
Speaker 1: We've got injuries, we got breakdowns of all the games
Speaker 1: as we are starting up here. We've actually got just
Speaker 1: a couple of games that are right at the tippy
Speaker 1: toe at the end, and then we are going to
Speaker 1: be stepping in to the snow Bowl, the forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers getting probably whooped by the Bills and what is
Speaker 1: supposed to be probably some very disappointing snow thing. But
Speaker 1: all you guys listening, you know exactly how it ended.
Speaker 1: I am joined by Scott Bogman. We got Deepak Chowne
Speaker 1: in the house. Bogs, your smile is a little contagious,
Speaker 1: obviously because the Steelers in Longhorns, So all is right
Speaker 1: in the Bogman world.
Speaker 2: Yes, hook them and Escalator of Sadness in Cincinnati, all
Speaker 2: on the same weekend. I mean, a happy Thanksgiving everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm loving it over here.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a good thing that Niners haven't
Speaker 1: played yet, So my mood is up and down. But
Speaker 1: Deepok's always got a big smile on his face. Texans
Speaker 1: bringing it down, like you know, I know you're always
Speaker 1: hoping for and we do have a few injuries. Nothing crazy, Deepak,
Speaker 1: how we doing, Buddy.
Speaker 3: I'm good Man's right and high and getting ready for
Speaker 3: Fantasy playoffs.
Speaker 2: So let's do it.
Speaker 1: Man. It is critical time. I know all you guys
Speaker 1: out there, I've been saying it, whether it's you know
Speaker 1: you're coming to the end of some of those DFS
Speaker 1: Big DFS contests. FFPC playoffs started today if you were
Speaker 1: playing in the Fantasy Pros Online Championship or you know
Speaker 1: your playoffs are made here as you've only got this
Speaker 1: week and most likely next week to get everything right.
Speaker 1: So hopefully we can do all the breakdowns, give you
Speaker 1: guys some insight, and hopefully you started Bucky Irving like
Speaker 1: I talked about on the live stream this morning, because
Speaker 1: it was Bucky Bucky Bucky all me today and it
Speaker 1: was all Bucky Bucky on the field. Gentlemen, let's get
Speaker 1: into this. We do have some injuries. I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: up the big board here as soon as I can
Speaker 1: get to it. Here, our big board of injuries. One
Speaker 1: of the first ones we just threw out there was JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins was officially placed on the ir If everybody saw that,
Speaker 1: we have Gus Edwards a little Vidal. It's a bit
Speaker 1: messy there. The big injury though for this week, was
Speaker 1: an absolutely brutal hit that Trevor Lawrence took. Knocked him out,
Speaker 1: looked very two esque. He was taken out of the game,
Speaker 1: did not return. They're calling it a concussion, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know, we use air quotes of the best case
Speaker 1: scenari Yeah, obvious, but also like best case scenario that
Speaker 1: wasn't something else. But we know how serious these concussions
Speaker 1: can be. So the big question, mister Deepak Chona is
Speaker 1: how serious do you think this Trevor Lawrence concussion is
Speaker 1: going to be. Do you expect it to be the
Speaker 1: you know usually we see a game miss variety or
Speaker 1: do you think anything more severe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean certainly I would expect him to be
Speaker 3: out at least one game. It looked severe and you
Speaker 3: can't necessarily judge these things on video that well. But
Speaker 3: he did have the fencing response like tou it did.
Speaker 3: As you said, the other part of this is that
Speaker 3: he was already dealing with a pretty severe shoulder injury
Speaker 3: and he was pushing through and playing on this injury.
Speaker 3: It kind of, in my eyes, maybe doesn't make sense
Speaker 3: for him to put his body at risk given the
Speaker 3: status of their season. So it's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a judgment call. You may see this one slow played
Speaker 3: a little bit, bogs.
Speaker 1: One of the things from a fantasy perspective that anyone
Speaker 1: who was starting Brian Thomas when Lawrence got hurt, you
Speaker 1: were just like, oh man, Brian Thomas was able to
Speaker 1: still you do it a big play, he had the touchdown,
Speaker 1: like he was able to do well under Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: under Max Jones. I have a coult about Matt Jones.
Speaker 1: I was about to call him. I'm like, that's not right,
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, any fantasy repercussions, maybe specifically on Brian Thomas
Speaker 1: or any other targets, knowing that we're gonna lose Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence for a little bit, and really only we weren't
Speaker 1: starting Trevor Lawrence more. Is that like we were wanting
Speaker 1: him for the other piece.
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah, I do think it's a downgrade to
Speaker 2: the receivers. And you know, like Deepark said, we'll see
Speaker 2: when he comes back. Yeah it stinks, hopefully, it's just
Speaker 2: you know, the concussion is not as bad as it looked,
Speaker 2: but I mean i've seen you know, Joe Flacco took
Speaker 2: a shot like Milano from Milano like that. Similar Trent
Speaker 2: going all the way back to Trent Green versus Peco.
Speaker 2: I remember I hit like that, Like these are brutal
Speaker 2: he hits.
Speaker 1: What do you think I think that Brian Thomas hit
Speaker 1: would be here like he goes from back. He was
Speaker 1: in a wide receiver two. I mean Mac looked okay
Speaker 1: with him. Do you think he could stay a wide
Speaker 1: receiver two or he's gonna sit outside? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think just you know, in terms of ranking outside
Speaker 2: of Bia mcgeddon next week, I think for the rest
Speaker 2: you know, for the time that Trevor Lawrence misses, he
Speaker 2: probably dips down to a wide receiver three, probably a
Speaker 2: mid range as well. So Mac Jones just has not
Speaker 2: looked good. He looked fine today, but you know, I
Speaker 2: just don't have confidence in mac Jones. He has not
Speaker 2: looked good when he's been in there.
Speaker 1: On the board. If you're listening on the podcast, we've
Speaker 1: got the visual board here. Should be checking us out
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Speaker 1: can be checking out live or you can check the recap.
Speaker 1: We got the graphic up here. We had a bevy
Speaker 1: of injury wide receiver notes DeVante Smith was a real
Speaker 1: brutal one for a lot of people, just because there
Speaker 1: was a lot of optimism that was kind of leading
Speaker 1: up to today and then all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: was like, and he's gone, that's not gonna happen. We
Speaker 1: Noah Brown left with an early ribbinge. He's someone in
Speaker 1: deeper leagues people have been playing. And Lad mcconkee's a
Speaker 1: really interesting one because Ladd had a bonker's first half.
Speaker 1: It was like eight catches one hundred and something yards
Speaker 1: or whatever it was. It was just an insane His
Speaker 1: receiving air prop, by the way, was hilarious at sixty
Speaker 1: four and five and a half catches. He crushed that
Speaker 1: in the second quarter, but then he suffered some type
Speaker 1: of knee injury and we didn't see a lot of
Speaker 1: him in the second half. So Deepak, I'm throwing all
Speaker 1: these wide receivers at you if there's any long term
Speaker 1: outside of Week thirteen for Dvante Smith or Noah Brown stuff.
Speaker 1: But more specifically, I'm really curious about your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean let's start there with Lad McConkie.
Speaker 3: We didn't have a lot of detail on this injury,
Speaker 3: but he did leave, and he came out and said
Speaker 3: afterwards that he's going to find out tomorrow. That suggests
Speaker 3: to me they're probably thinking MRI and look at the
Speaker 3: knee could very well be totally fine. We really don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of info to work on, Ladd. Regarding
Speaker 3: Noah Brown, these rib and chest area injuries, assuming there's
Speaker 3: no rib fracture, a lot of these can be played
Speaker 3: through even a week or sometimes two weeks out. The
Speaker 3: key though, is that there's typically about a four week
Speaker 3: performance hit, and with Noah Brown, he's kind of a
Speaker 3: borderline guy anyway, so you may want to factor that
Speaker 3: in going forward. And then DeVante Smith sounds very much
Speaker 3: like he's headed towards a return next week. But these
Speaker 3: even mild hamstrings do sometimes pop up and reinjure, so
Speaker 3: something to keep in mind. That's probably the real reason
Speaker 3: they sat him, more so to protect him going forward.
Speaker 1: Deep Palk logs nothing.
Speaker 2: I just want to ask depok a question real quick.
Speaker 2: I saw Lad McConkey after the game on the field
Speaker 2: doing an interview. Does that is that positive towards the
Speaker 2: knee injury here? If he'd like, is not going straight
Speaker 2: to the locker room and keeping off of it and
Speaker 2: all that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think so. I mean, if you saw
Speaker 3: a very clear concern for a major ligament injury, you'd
Speaker 3: probably put him on crutches in the acute setting. So
Speaker 3: I would think so, yes, but not a lot of
Speaker 3: info unfortunately yet on that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Boggs, that'll probably not We're not going
Speaker 1: to do anything with I mean, this was exactly you know,
Speaker 1: I had been taught what I remember my thing I've
Speaker 1: said on every show this week. I'm like, if you
Speaker 1: gave lad Puka like targets, he's going to put up
Speaker 1: Poka like numbers. And he put up like Puka time
Speaker 1: numbers in the first half. But you know it's got
Speaker 1: banged up. I would say, all of this leads to
Speaker 1: an optimism, And are you optimistic that he's going to
Speaker 1: be able to get past this injury and carry over
Speaker 1: and be probably a top fifteen wide receiver next week?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think so for sure. You know,
Speaker 2: like I said, I think him doing that interview afterwards,
Speaker 2: he did not. He was talking about coming back to
Speaker 2: Atlanta because he played for Georgia last year. Right like
Speaker 2: that was the big They were not talking about his knee.
Speaker 2: So I think he's going to be fine, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: You never know. Sometimes that stuff blows up.
Speaker 1: Uh. The other man watching this live this Bucks and
Speaker 1: Panthers game as we're doing this, sweat Bucks just hit
Speaker 1: this field goal to go into overtime, and I have
Speaker 1: McLoughlin in an f FPC, so let's go deepak. The
Speaker 1: other injury that we don't have a graphic for. It
Speaker 1: happened a little bit later at the end of the
Speaker 1: Saints game was Hill. Taysom Hill took a brutal blow.
Speaker 1: He was getting involved. If you betters are out there
Speaker 1: and you followed me at all, I had his three
Speaker 1: and a half receptions on my card. That hit that
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I also had the anytime touchdown and he
Speaker 1: may have been getting into that spot, but he got
Speaker 1: knocked out of the game and it didn't look good.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Taysom Hill, because you know he's been
Speaker 1: ranking is like tight end four or five. Is this
Speaker 1: something that's going to carry out outside of this week?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Unfortunately, the video is very concerning here. The knee
Speaker 3: hyper extended. It sort of looked like it buckled high
Speaker 3: concern for a ligament tear such as the ACL or PCL,
Speaker 3: so at this late of a juncture, probably season ending,
Speaker 3: but will hope that the video sometimes overestimates severity. But
Speaker 3: we'll kind of see what they come out with expecting
Speaker 3: the worst here and Bogs.
Speaker 1: You know, the one thing I'll throw out lastly here
Speaker 1: is just the tight ends have kind of stabilized. You know,
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews was was good. I mean, Laporta did stuff.
Speaker 1: The tight ends are stabilizing themselves when we're getting into
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So losing Yeah and losing Taste Hill doesn't
Speaker 1: have as brutal of a blow because you were playing him.
Speaker 1: On the upside, it was okay. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of options out there, and you'd probably be comfortable
Speaker 1: with the zach Ertz or the Pat Friar Moose of
Speaker 1: the world if you ended up losing Uh, if you
Speaker 1: end up losing Taysom Hill, you might hit that at
Speaker 1: the waiver wire this week.
Speaker 2: First, even Juwan Johnson on his own team had seven targets,
Speaker 2: and he had said Taysom Hill had seven targets, so
Speaker 2: we could just see an increase for him, especially with
Speaker 2: all those wide receivers down and it's you know, Alba
Speaker 2: Kamara and nobody in New Orleans right now.
Speaker 1: That's right, and a lot of injuries. Playoffs are here.
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Speaker 1: down the rest of these games right after this.
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Speaker 1: this week, relative chaos, bogmint your game. When we get
Speaker 1: to it was nuts. We got end of regulation in
Speaker 1: the NFC South. There's just a whole lot and then
Speaker 1: we're going to be traveling to some snow here shortly
Speaker 1: as we're talking to everybody. First game we're going to
Speaker 1: kick off. In the recap are the Houston Texans and Jaguars.
Speaker 1: We mentioned that Trevor Lawrence is out and expected to
Speaker 1: miss some time. Twenty three point twenty. Houston was able
Speaker 1: to hold this off even after that late Brian Thomas touchdown.
Speaker 1: The Fantasy Studs Joe Mixon as always, Stroud was relatively doable,
Speaker 1: and we also had the Brian Thomas ingram working out
Speaker 1: for us. So what say you, Bogs on what you
Speaker 1: saw to this game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what I saw was more of a
Speaker 2: you know, the running backs were closer to a split
Speaker 2: for Jacksonville was thirty seven snaps for ETN to thirty
Speaker 2: two for Tank Bigsby. With the Ernest Johnson out, neither
Speaker 2: one of them produced very well. It was, you know,
Speaker 2: fifty eight total yards for ETN and thirty five or
Speaker 2: startin So yeah, they just you know, the Jaguars specifically,
Speaker 2: you know, if we're going to knock the pass catchers
Speaker 2: with Mac Jones the running backs, I mean, you just
Speaker 2: stacked the box and stop the run because Mac Jones
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to pass very well. So the defense
Speaker 2: has been playing better for Jacksonville. We kind of saw
Speaker 2: that early. It took Joe Mixon a little bit to
Speaker 2: get rolling, but when he did, he did get rolling.
Speaker 2: Nico again just as always giant weapons.
Speaker 1: They took Dell out of the game though, they took
Speaker 1: it like I thought that was really interesting because we
Speaker 1: were talking about how bad the secondary was all week.
Speaker 1: Nico was Nikos like I think, number one in the
Speaker 1: consensus ranks, but Dell was one that It's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if Nico's gonna dominate, Dell has got an opportunity and
Speaker 1: he was just completely taken out of the game. One
Speaker 1: catch on four targets for twenty three.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I tell you what, as bad as
Speaker 2: this Jacksonville offense is getting, the defense is getting better.
Speaker 2: On the other side, the defensive line in particular has
Speaker 2: been playing much better, which makes you know, everything back
Speaker 2: a little bit better. Okay, So on the Nico's just
Speaker 2: never going to be stopped on.
Speaker 1: The Texan side, mixing and Nico, you know you said it,
Speaker 1: forget it? Sure do you trust Dell for week fourteen?
Speaker 1: Would you? What's the scenario? Is he a top thirty,
Speaker 1: top thirty five and then the same thing. I'm throwing
Speaker 1: out to you for Stroud Stroud, I was more encouraged.
Speaker 1: Though you know you're saying the defense is better. It's
Speaker 1: still a little bit of a struggling defense. But Stroud
Speaker 1: is twenty two of thirty four pass for over two forty.
Speaker 1: You know that's what you want to see out of him.
Speaker 1: So Stroud seems fringy, but Dell seems like a really
Speaker 1: big risk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're on a by next week, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I do, Okay, then you will it is by mcgeddon
Speaker 2: next week. It's six more teams on by which this
Speaker 2: is the week that I think that I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna ignore Week fourteen. Who cares if I'm dead.
Speaker 2: I'm dead.
Speaker 1: I've got the Henry Hit, I forgot the jack.
Speaker 2: I got JT, I got Lamar Jackson. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of buys this week, so it stinks. But yeah, he
Speaker 2: I think once they get back to rolling, I think
Speaker 2: he's closer to a wider, low wind wide receiver three,
Speaker 2: high end wide receiver four. He is definitely boom or
Speaker 2: bust tank.
Speaker 1: Dell On the Jaguars side. What is startable moving forward
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones at.
Speaker 2: QUARTERBA after Washington had a pretty nice game, but I
Speaker 2: just you know, they got the game against Tennessee this week.
Speaker 2: I don't really feel trustworthy of too much. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm starting Brian Thomas. Even Evan Ingram hasn't been great recently,
Speaker 2: so I think those are the two guys anybody else,
Speaker 2: you know? I like Washington having a huge game, but
Speaker 2: I mean, do you trust him or Vley more? You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like Yley, we've seen a do
Speaker 2: We've seen him do it a couple of Bayles, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I would trust a guy like that way more so.
Speaker 2: Parker Washington is earning my trust. He's on the radar,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's startedable unless you're in a
Speaker 2: deep deep sixteen man plus leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and right here on the sheet, by the way,
Speaker 1: Houston on a bye. I didn't even look at that.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has got Tennessee for next week. Next game up
Speaker 1: the Chargers and the Falcons. It's kind of a bore.
Speaker 1: Seventeen to thirteen. As mentioned, Lad McConkie went berserk. He
Speaker 1: was twelve targets. He went nine for one seventeen before
Speaker 1: suffering that injury. No other wide receiver did much. We
Speaker 1: were without JK. Dobbins, which turned into I guess Gus Edwards,
Speaker 1: but like Hasskins had a fumble, Videal didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: They gave six carries to Gus Edwards and then on
Speaker 1: the Falcons side it was, you know, a lot of bijon,
Speaker 1: as it should be. Bijon was the big play and
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins probably played one of the worst games ever
Speaker 1: a league that Bogmin and I share. I put in
Speaker 1: the Chargers defense for us in this big Pentathlon league
Speaker 1: and that was a good play. This week we scored
Speaker 1: quite a few points here. So what takeaways do you
Speaker 1: want to throw out here? For that? There's a lot
Speaker 1: of obvious bijon, Lad even Herbert, you know these are
Speaker 1: the obvious things. What's not obvious and what should we
Speaker 1: focus on here?
Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts, I mean we were talking about the tight
Speaker 2: end position stabilizing. It's not for him. He had fewer
Speaker 2: snaps than Charlie Warner this week. I mean you ran
Speaker 2: way more routes. I mean Charlie Warner was on the
Speaker 2: field for forty seven snaps to Pitts thirty three, and
Speaker 2: Pitts ran twenty six routes to Charlie Warner's eight. So
Speaker 2: Pitts is still the receiving tight end, but they just
Speaker 2: are not putting him on the field. Charlie Warner saw
Speaker 2: a lot here. Now, A lot of that could because
Speaker 2: the Chargers front is tough, and Kirk Cousins just had
Speaker 2: a garbage game with four interceptions, so they were running
Speaker 2: the ball a lot, you know, So a lot of
Speaker 2: that was because of just the flow of the game
Speaker 2: and all that. But I mean, Kyle Pitts is an
Speaker 2: absolute drop at this point. You don't need to be starting.
Speaker 2: Would you rather start Kyle Pitts or Juwan Johnson at
Speaker 2: this point? You know what I mean? With Taysom hill down,
Speaker 2: I think I want you one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of the scenario. The only
Speaker 1: problem we have is like he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that you look at and you're like, oh, okay, what
Speaker 1: if you know, what if if it's bus was candies
Speaker 1: and nuts?
Speaker 2: But I but so are we and we're in our
Speaker 2: forties and don't play for NFL teams, But like what
Speaker 2: if we were tight ends? Right? Like because we're we're
Speaker 2: we had the same production as Kyle Pitts today.
Speaker 1: So we're in retirement age. Unfortunately, Bagna, I finally had
Speaker 1: to hang it up in our brains that we're not
Speaker 1: going to make it in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Well, well, doing my dynasty sheet every year, I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the birthdays and when Tom Brady retired, that was
Speaker 2: the last guy that was older than me. Oh, you know,
Speaker 2: older than.
Speaker 1: When I start seeing the prospects that are older than
Speaker 1: my kid or the same age as my kid, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna pack it up. I'm going to pack
Speaker 1: it up and be so.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean so that. That is what I
Speaker 2: saw from the Atlanta side. Obviously, just a bad game
Speaker 2: for Kirk Cousins and everyone is affected by that. Drake
Speaker 2: London staid sixteen targets. I mean Mooney had six targets
Speaker 2: but only got three.
Speaker 1: For two really poorly thrown balls at Mooney. Mooney could
Speaker 1: have had not a big day, but a much better day.
Speaker 1: Just a couple just unketchup balls for him to do anything.
Speaker 2: Chargers defense man it's Dangel Derwin James was out there
Speaker 2: making plays. He made to play to steal the game.
Speaker 2: Had a nice pick as well, like he was just
Speaker 2: out there making it happen on the Chargers side, Vidal
Speaker 2: over Videll over Haskins, and Haskins really he had one
Speaker 2: carry short yards, he fumbled and they didn't give it
Speaker 2: to him again. So Videll is the backup to Gus
Speaker 2: Edwards and that was kind of more evenly split. They
Speaker 2: didn't have a ton of the Chargers offense had forty
Speaker 2: six snaps in this game. So Atlanta dominated time of
Speaker 2: possession here and just still really couldn't get anything done.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask the question, like, you know, would
Speaker 1: you if you were hail marrying Gus Edwards or Vidal
Speaker 1: next week? Here's the problem. They got Kansas City, so
Speaker 1: that's just not a good space for either of them.
Speaker 1: Gus got whatever the volume was, but there was just
Speaker 1: nothing else. So the running backs are not the play
Speaker 1: Quinton Johnston. They I mean, they had like an end
Speaker 1: to round, they had four targets. It's not Palmer Johnston, Yeah,
Speaker 1: another drop, it's Maconkey and Herbert, and Herbert's going to
Speaker 1: have a rough go with Kansas City and then on
Speaker 1: the Atlanta side, Atlanta's going to be going up against Minnesota,
Speaker 1: which is also a relatively tough defense. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, you can still throw. I'm still throwing out Mooney.
Speaker 1: I'm still throwing out London next week, Vijon of course, Cousins.
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to start. There's probably better stream up a.
Speaker 2: Option and Pitts like I just I am. I've had
Speaker 2: it with Pitts. I'm tired of you know, I'll eat
Speaker 2: a real donut. I don't want one on my fantasy team.
Speaker 1: No thanks, and sounds really good right now, Let's go
Speaker 1: over to the third game Tennessee. They got taken to
Speaker 1: the woodshed by the Washington Commanders forty two to nineteen.
Speaker 1: Though the Commanders I got up to it like a
Speaker 1: twenty eight point lead, then they just started like giving
Speaker 1: it away and then and you know, ultimately ended up
Speaker 1: scoring a bunch of Daniels two oh six three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: had another one on the ground Brian Robinson. That was
Speaker 1: a big one on our start sit stream this morning.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that that one worked out, because every
Speaker 1: answer of mine was Brian Robinson sixteen for one oh
Speaker 1: three in a score. He was great. McLaurin, he got volume.
Speaker 1: That was like a big key. I've been looking for
Speaker 1: more volume from McLaurin. Eight targets caught all eight for
Speaker 1: seventy three and two scores, plus zach Ertz saved a
Speaker 1: couple of my days, and then on the Tennessee side,
Speaker 1: Pollard not much of anything. Nick Westbrook Akina is the
Speaker 1: craziest things.
Speaker 2: A touchdown machine.
Speaker 1: He single handedly is gonna let me win in the
Speaker 1: industry flex leagues where I was down and I had
Speaker 1: to put him in. Today in the starting lineup.
Speaker 2: He's singing NWI for Life shirts for LIGHTEWI let's.
Speaker 1: Go World order for life or New Westbrook Order for Yes.
Speaker 1: I agree. He's crazy and he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: where it's like, what do you do? Like he's touchdown
Speaker 1: dependent except kind of today because he had sixty one yards,
Speaker 1: but he just catches him every week. He is the
Speaker 1: modern day Chris Carter. All he does is catch touchdowns,
Speaker 1: so he is week in and week out going to
Speaker 1: be a deep league flex option. Ridley was piss poor,
Speaker 1: but you know he just had no really no viable targets,
Speaker 1: so anything else you want to hit with these guys,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Less of a split than I anticipated because it has
Speaker 2: been for Spears and Pollard when Spears plays. This might
Speaker 2: be just because of game flow. Obviously they were getting crushed,
Speaker 2: so you know, uh, Pollard comes in more at the end,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, maybe they're going more towards Pollard.
Speaker 2: We'll have to see against Jacksonville next week. And then
Speaker 2: Rodriguez and McNichols they split kind of Eckler's touches here,
Speaker 2: wasn't it kind of seemed like it was going to
Speaker 2: go more to McNichols, especially after the last two weeks.
Speaker 2: But Rodriguez was in there. Thirteen carries, ninety four yards
Speaker 2: in a score. I mean a lot of that was
Speaker 2: in mop up time, right, like you're just giving the
Speaker 2: ball to your big back that runs forward. So a
Speaker 2: lot of that was game script and game flow. But
Speaker 2: it is not just straight McNichols for Eckler. So they're
Speaker 2: splitting those touches behind Brian Robbinson.
Speaker 1: So do you think Rodriguez is going to be worth
Speaker 1: anything on waivers this week? At all?
Speaker 2: Not much, because I do think that McNichols will get
Speaker 2: more if they're in a more, you know, a more
Speaker 2: competitive game. They're also on a buy this week, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the million teams on a by Washington is
Speaker 2: so I would, but if I have like you know,
Speaker 2: a dollar and an empty roster spot, or someone going
Speaker 2: on ir or something I would throw a bucket. Chris Rodriguez,
Speaker 2: he's he's a goal line guy. He's a big back.
Speaker 2: So dollar in a dream, dollar in a dream, baby,
Speaker 2: that's all that matters. Let's says right.
Speaker 1: Tennessee versus Jacksonville next week. Washington is on a buy,
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Speaker 1: get to our next game up here, the Arizona Cardinals
Speaker 1: and the Minnesota Vikings. Vikings held off the Cardinals twenty
Speaker 1: three to twenty two. Sam Darnold two thirty five with
Speaker 1: two scores, Aaron Jones saved his day with a touchdown
Speaker 1: near the end, Justin Jefferson solid, Addison, Okay Hawkinson little
Speaker 1: disappointing from what our expectations had been. And then over
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals side, Kyler two sixty with a score,
Speaker 1: couple picks, James Connor just got that, just got the
Speaker 1: contract extension, didn't do a ton, Marvin Harrison did get
Speaker 1: twelve targets. Really is a just solid option and one
Speaker 1: of the best catches you've seen all year that Michael
Speaker 1: Wilson like tipped past one handed catch and Trey McBride
Speaker 1: firmly a freaking monster. So those are some of the
Speaker 1: surface level stat stuff. What do you want to throw
Speaker 1: out on the Vikings and Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as soon as I tank Harrison in
Speaker 2: the rankings, he gets the touchdown in twelve targets. Of course,
Speaker 2: it's just the way it works. But more snouts for
Speaker 2: de Marcaro than Benson likely to pick up blitzes in
Speaker 2: this game. Like, I know that, you know, people are
Speaker 2: afraid of Benson now because Connor got that contract extension everything,
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, it doesn't help me in
Speaker 2: a lot of dynasty spots for sure. But kind of
Speaker 2: surprised by that. But I think this was more game flow,
Speaker 2: and no one blitz is more than Minnesota in the league,
Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of what that was about.
Speaker 2: Aaron Jones fumbled twice and was benched for a little
Speaker 2: bit of a stretch in.
Speaker 1: This game, a little bit of a run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so we had more because we had gone
Speaker 2: like it was closer to a split two weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and then last week it was way more Aaron Jones
Speaker 2: and now back to cam Akers being involved, So that
Speaker 2: was the reason behind that, and then it if you're
Speaker 2: just looking down the board at like Michael Wilson, he
Speaker 2: is clearly the two to Marvin Harrison. Obviously McBride is
Speaker 2: like the number one target guy on this team, and
Speaker 2: then Marvin Harrison is right with him, and then Michael Wilson.
Speaker 2: But dorchin z A Jones. They're splitting and rotating between
Speaker 2: each other, so not much there at all. Those guys
Speaker 2: can be cast aside if it's not Michael Wilson. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Benson is a hold. But I think, you know,
Speaker 2: those guys are obviously toss us.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty standard across the board. Are you
Speaker 1: going to win the Aaron Jones stuff? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: have reservations in ranking slash starting him he's going up
Speaker 1: against Atlanta in Week fourteen?
Speaker 2: No, I think he you know he was. He scored
Speaker 2: the game winning touchdown, So like, I'm okay with Aaron
Speaker 2: Jones moving forward. It was just kind of a hey, look,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna put the ball on the ground twice,
Speaker 2: we got to take you out. We have we have
Speaker 2: to keep the football. It's a close game. So I
Speaker 2: think it was one of those with a vet like that.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe if it was a younger player, I
Speaker 2: would be worried, but with a vet, I'm just not
Speaker 2: too worried Addison.
Speaker 1: Addison's going up against Atlanta. Do you think Addison is
Speaker 1: still firmly a top thirty five wide receiver? Let's say yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he had just as many snaps as he
Speaker 2: had fifty to Jefferson's fifty one, and they ran the
Speaker 2: same exact amount of routes. So he is definitely the
Speaker 2: guy there. And Hawkinson not a great day for him,
Speaker 2: But I don't you know, I know Johnny munt vultured
Speaker 2: the touchdown. I understand people's frustration with Hawkinson, but Hawk
Speaker 2: is an auto start for me if I have him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I must have tuned in at a certain time where
Speaker 1: I felt like, I'm like, is Nailor going to get
Speaker 1: every target? But only in two? And I think it
Speaker 1: was just like a drive because I had Addison going.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, can we get Addison going in here?
Speaker 1: Kyler or Sam Donald? Next week? Sam Donald versus Atlanta,
Speaker 1: Kyler versus Seattle.
Speaker 2: They give me Sam Donald. Kyler's been kind of tough
Speaker 2: and Seattle's defense is not bad. We saw Leonard Williams
Speaker 2: of that big pick six today beautiful.
Speaker 1: He was beautiful. So Arizona's at Seattle, Minnesota is facing
Speaker 1: off against Atlanta, the Colts and the Patriots. Another one
Speaker 1: point game here. Colts to beat the Patriots twenty five
Speaker 1: to twenty four. Anthony Richardson two passing touchdowns and a
Speaker 1: rushing touchdown. Jonathan Taylor had a really solid day ninety
Speaker 1: six on the ground. I believe he had a receiving touchdown.
Speaker 1: Pittman did not fill in necessarily the Josh down shoes.
Speaker 1: He did get seven targets, but five for forty two.
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce got the touchdown as he did, except it
Speaker 1: wasn't fifty yarder like we expect from him. Drake May
Speaker 1: fifty nine on the ground, two thirty eight in a
Speaker 1: passing touchdown. Stevenson had a pretty serviceable day and we
Speaker 1: saw a lot more for the first time the Booty Man.
Speaker 1: He had six targets, three for forty one. Hunter Henry
Speaker 1: was also great. So do you think the Booty Man
Speaker 1: should be at the top of waivers for this week
Speaker 1: by apocalypse? Well, unfortunately, Yeah, New England is on the by.
Speaker 1: So India and New England are both on the by,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't help you during bipocalypse. Is he someone
Speaker 1: you want to have stashed going into the playoffs for
Speaker 1: Week fifteen with this target uptick?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. And it's not just target seventy one
Speaker 2: snaps of seventy two for him. The next highest wide
Speaker 2: receiver on the Patriots was Born with forty six and
Speaker 2: also thirty nine routes run. Born was second with or
Speaker 2: Douglas excuse me a second with twenty eight, so eleven
Speaker 2: more routes as the next guy in New England as well.
Speaker 2: So Boute has become their guy right now. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I do I want to invest in him for sure.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, man a rich He had the
Speaker 2: one good game when he came back, and he has
Speaker 2: looked like garbage once again. So twelve of twenty four,
Speaker 2: one hundred and nine yards and two scores. He had
Speaker 2: the rusher, So like the fantasy day was not bad
Speaker 2: fantasy because he had three touchdowns. But he is not
Speaker 2: helping anyone else here. It is tough. Pittman is going
Speaker 2: to remain a low end or a mid end wide
Speaker 2: receiver three to maybe with Richardson, And yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: a question tough right now?
Speaker 1: How bet a better question for Pittman. Do you think
Speaker 1: you are comfortable dropping Pittman right now because he's got
Speaker 1: a buy in week fourteen? You're in a everything is
Speaker 1: kind of do or die right now, whether it's seeding
Speaker 1: or maybe you're trying to get in, it literally is
Speaker 1: do or die. Do you think Pittman is the type
Speaker 1: of guy at this stage with Anthony Richardson you could
Speaker 1: cut bait if need be, because you are destroyed by
Speaker 1: by apocalypse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I'm destroyed by by apocalypse and I need
Speaker 2: this playoff spot, everyone on my roster's cuttables, so he's
Speaker 2: definitely well.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jonathan Taylor is not cuttable, but like I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, a guy like Pittman is probably maybe.
Speaker 2: Like a anyone, but the ridiculously obvious guys are are
Speaker 2: not cutable. Yes, if you're in that situation. But I
Speaker 2: do think that it's possible, and I think that I
Speaker 2: would have a harder time to do it because I
Speaker 2: backed Pittman so much. I'd feel bad cutting him, But
Speaker 2: I mean, who cares? Who cares about how you feel?
Speaker 2: Let's get the win. So I Pittman's not doing anything.
Speaker 2: Richardson has been, you know, taking this whole offense back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Pittman is definitely a guy that is a
Speaker 2: borderline roster guy.
Speaker 1: At this point, Richardson was ranked I believe eleven in
Speaker 1: the consensus ranks this week by all the rankers. Who
Speaker 1: would you rather go into? And it's probably matchups are
Speaker 1: going to be determined here as well, Like sure who
Speaker 1: they're playing? Who would you rather go into the playoffs with?
Speaker 1: In Week fifteen? Richardson or May?
Speaker 2: Probably May?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's super like matchup?
Speaker 2: Depending it's very close? Yeah, because May May like May,
Speaker 2: we'll take off and run just like Richardson does, and
Speaker 2: he can score with his legs just like Richardson does.
Speaker 2: But he also passes the ball better. So the targets
Speaker 2: are obviously way better in Indy, and the surrounding cast
Speaker 2: is way better in Indy. But I think I would
Speaker 2: rather have May for you know, in a vacuum without
Speaker 2: looking at all the matchups.
Speaker 1: So here's the matchups. In Week fifteen, Colts are going
Speaker 1: up against the Broncos Broncos and the Patriots are traveling
Speaker 1: to Arizona against the Cardinals. That's Week fifteen.
Speaker 2: Cardinals defense has been pretty good, but I still want
Speaker 2: Drake May.
Speaker 1: And then the following week and I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: all of them. Sixteen. Patriots have the Bills and the
Speaker 1: Colts have the Titans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably go Richardson in that one. So it is
Speaker 2: it is, you know, matchup dependent here like we thought
Speaker 2: it was. Because rich Aris had a terrible game today
Speaker 2: and still was okay in fantasy because of the scores.
Speaker 2: So if he's gonna keep getting those scores and running,
Speaker 2: he's good. He just lowers everybody else around him. That's
Speaker 2: not JT.
Speaker 1: Patriots have the Chargers in the fantasy playoffs, and the
Speaker 1: Colts are facing off against the Giants, so.
Speaker 2: That the championship championship, and the Giants just lost Dexter Lawrence,
Speaker 2: their best defensive player for the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's a little bit of a brutal run there. So,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, both teams are on the by The
Speaker 1: Jets held out against the Seahawks, winning twenty six to
Speaker 1: twenty one. Gino did not have a great day, ken
Speaker 1: Walker did not have a great day. Metcalf did not
Speaker 1: have a great day. Jays no one had a great
Speaker 1: day with Seattle. It was all pretty bad.
Speaker 2: We sound like that this is Okay, this is okay,
Speaker 2: everything's okay.
Speaker 1: That's all bad, except it's all bad on the Jets side.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers look kind of spryed. Still makes horace. I
Speaker 1: mean that pass of Garrett Wilson getting the separation in
Speaker 1: the end zone and not making that is just absolutely brutal.
Speaker 1: Bareis Hall did not look healthy force fumble twelve on six,
Speaker 1: he handed a fumble in the ball. Deante Adams had
Speaker 1: twelve targets, only five or catchubles sixty six in a score.
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson ten targets only five for forty one. Let's
Speaker 1: start with Let's start with the Seahawks real quick, JSN
Speaker 1: Metcalf Walker, Gino. The latter is more streamable. The other
Speaker 1: three are full on plays. Is there any concern whatsoever
Speaker 1: across the board going into week fourteen making sure there's
Speaker 1: not a buy I don't see the buys actually here,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if either one of them are
Speaker 1: on a BUYE.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not concerned with either one of these, with
Speaker 2: any of these Seahawks players. This is a bad game
Speaker 2: for Gino, and the Jets run defense is still really good,
Speaker 2: so I'm just not going to be overly concerned with
Speaker 2: the Seahawks' pieces here. I think jsn is gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: He's been good before that. DK still a monster. It's
Speaker 2: just you know, the Jets defense did bow up and
Speaker 2: play a decent game here. Yeah, and I if I'm
Speaker 2: concerned about anything, it would be more of a split
Speaker 2: between Sharbonnay and Ken Walker. But we've seen this happen before.
Speaker 2: You know, He's ballooned up to like forty five percent
Speaker 2: while Walker's fifty five percent, and then next week he
Speaker 2: goes back to sixty five thirty five or closer to
Speaker 2: seventy thirty.
Speaker 1: So the bigger question, I think it was the very
Speaker 1: first question in the stream before we had even started,
Speaker 1: Someone said, what is your level of worry with Breece?
Speaker 1: We know we brief had come up earlier in the
Speaker 1: week with some potential like injury concerns that were floating
Speaker 1: out there. I want to say, I think it's snaps
Speaker 1: were down a little bit. It still had a pretty
Speaker 1: good snap count, But then they brought like Davison, what
Speaker 1: is your level of concern with Breece Hall after that performance?
Speaker 2: I mean, my my performance or my concern is not
Speaker 2: really about Breece. It's more about the Jets offense as
Speaker 2: a whole being miserable. But they do have good matchups
Speaker 2: coming up. It's the Jets next week, then the Jaguars,
Speaker 2: and then the Rams.
Speaker 1: Wait, you said the Jets next week? The Jet is
Speaker 1: the Jets.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that is the Jets. The Dolphins say they
Speaker 2: on a buy are they facing themselves? The Jets play
Speaker 2: the Dolphins next week. That's my bad. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: the schedule right here, But yeah, they play the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: I think that's a decent matchup for them than the
Speaker 2: Jags and the Rams. So I'm not too concerned with Breece.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you are you going to bench him?
Speaker 2: Who will we benching him? For? That question?
Speaker 1: Next week is not the great week to have those
Speaker 1: type of decisive issues because like, you're gonna lose Dereck Henry.
Speaker 1: I mean, who do we We're losing Jonathan Taylor, Derek Henry,
Speaker 1: Remondre Stevenson. I don't have all the BUYE teams. It
Speaker 1: looks like I don't even see the rest of them.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's the Baltimore, Denver, Houston, Andy, New England,
Speaker 2: and Washington.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so Brian Thomas is going to be on
Speaker 1: a buye. That's not great.
Speaker 2: I mean there's some sequel Colin, Jonathan Taylor, Derrick, Henry Lamar, Jackson,
Speaker 2: Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews.
Speaker 1: Talking running backs, if you were saying, like who are
Speaker 1: you sitting there, there's a significant players that are on by,
Speaker 1: but from the running back standpoint, there's already four off
Speaker 1: the board. Yeah, you're probably right, like who you're gonna
Speaker 1: end up sneaking in there?
Speaker 2: It's you're probably maybe who who would you rather start?
Speaker 2: We rather start Breese against the Dolphins or Rico against Cincy.
Speaker 1: It might be Rico. They got Rico heavily involved. And
Speaker 1: look at the I mean your.
Speaker 2: State did with the running and the Bengals defense is awful.
Speaker 2: I think that is the closest one you're gonna get
Speaker 2: other than that right there. Yeah, I'm I'm not Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not starting Chewbo over him against Philly. You know
Speaker 2: the rest of these matchups. I'm not starting Pollard against
Speaker 2: Jacksonville or anyone for Jacksonville against Tennessee. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's limited scenarios where you're benching Breese anyway. That is
Speaker 2: why my concern level remains fairly low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're not wrong about that. The limited
Speaker 1: scenario though, is having options if you don't have. But
Speaker 1: like Rico is an interesting one because I would think
Speaker 1: most people would instantly be like, well, no, you're still starting.
Speaker 2: Uh brief, I'm glad that you paused because to pangles
Speaker 2: defense has been terrible. Right at is getting way more involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I will rank him over him,
Speaker 1: but probably not everybody who's gonna have the benefit. Also,
Speaker 1: like you lost JK. Dobbins, and like, that's one of
Speaker 1: those guys that people may have gotten late that really
Speaker 1: played well. So it's a it's an odd one. We'll
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Speaker 1: let's get back to the games here, and I believe
Speaker 1: this is Bogman's happy time. Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Bengals
Speaker 1: forty four to thirty eight. I think they said it
Speaker 1: was the highest scoring maybe matchup of all time, the
Speaker 1: highest scoring first half of all time of russ over
Speaker 1: four hundred yards, three touchdowns, Jalen Warren cashing my props,
Speaker 1: thank you for three receptions. Nase was good. Hello Pickens.
Speaker 1: Of course you caught a touchdown, you got a penalty.
Speaker 1: That's what you do. And Joe Burrow wasn't great, Chase
Speaker 1: Brown was Jamar Chase and Higgins both kind of you know,
Speaker 1: did what you expected. Boggs, you saw this whole game.
Speaker 1: I know there's plenty of things to be happy about
Speaker 1: in real fantasy football perspective. Is there anything that stands
Speaker 1: out from a fantasy perspective because the one that jumps
Speaker 1: out to me is, oh, Nase got back right, because
Speaker 1: I was sure living in a bad space with nause
Speaker 1: and this looked good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked really good. He looked much much better.
Speaker 2: I think the ten days between he actually he got gased.
Speaker 2: They were using him so much early. He got gassed
Speaker 2: on a play and had to leave for a little bit,
Speaker 2: and Quarrel Patterson came right in and replaced him for
Speaker 2: a little while.
Speaker 1: But you pulled Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean he almost feinted. It looked like
Speaker 2: on the sideline, so it was real. They took a
Speaker 2: couple of plays to walk him back around, so they're
Speaker 2: just using him too much. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: I think there was something about like he did like
Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving thing with Pratt Firemouth. He said his wife
Speaker 1: had made some really good food. But I think he
Speaker 1: was alluding to maybe he had to hit the bathroom
Speaker 1: or something like that, if you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, ha could have been it. He just looked like
Speaker 2: he was about to pass out. He gave up like
Speaker 2: in the middle of the play. It was very strange.
Speaker 2: But I mean, the refs were super involved in this game,
Speaker 2: so you you know, we look and Joe Burrow didn't
Speaker 2: do great, but I mean there were so many pass
Speaker 2: interference calls. He would have had more, you know, if
Speaker 2: those would have been catches, he would have had way
Speaker 2: more yards than Russ. But the refs were over officious
Speaker 2: in this game. Twenty penalties in this one was nuts.
Speaker 2: So but Nauji back was good and then I thought maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, the Bengals traded for Khalil Herbert.
Speaker 2: Maybe we're gonna see a little bit more of him
Speaker 2: with Zach Moss being down and they want to, you know,
Speaker 2: do this. Nope, it's the Chase Brown Show. Fifty snaps
Speaker 2: for him of sixty two, only six for Khalil Herbert.
Speaker 2: So it is Chase Brown's job moving forward, and he
Speaker 2: is an RB one moving forward in this offense. They
Speaker 2: are still clicking even in a loss. I mean, their
Speaker 2: defense just isn't doing anything. So I'd expect every Bengals
Speaker 2: game to be high scoring moving.
Speaker 1: Forward their in defense week, So their defense can't stop
Speaker 1: anything right now.
Speaker 2: So it's wheels up on Higgins and Chase Brown and Gasiki.
Speaker 2: I think someone was asking in the chat about GASICKI
Speaker 2: he's a decent tight end if you had Taysom Hill
Speaker 2: go down or something, So would.
Speaker 1: You rather Gasiki or Kyle Pitts next week?
Speaker 2: Gasiki?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that answers that. I think that's a big thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a bit much big takeaway.
Speaker 1: It was an incredible performance. I think this, Well, you're
Speaker 1: not going.
Speaker 2: To see Russ cook for four hundred again this year.
Speaker 2: I highly doubt it.
Speaker 1: Well, they got Cleveland next week, so we can see
Speaker 1: what that is. Pittsburgh's got Cleveland, Cincinnati has Dallas for
Speaker 1: Monday night football. I think all the regular players are
Speaker 1: out there. I think friar Mouth is a better streaming
Speaker 1: tight end option than Gasiki Nause is kind of back
Speaker 1: in a version of the circle of trust. Pickens is
Speaker 1: massively frustrating, but you know, don't.
Speaker 2: Completely He's just still good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take a touchdown, take a couple of catches, and
Speaker 1: take your penalty. It's more of a real life thing
Speaker 1: that's frustrating. The next up, we had the Rams and
Speaker 1: the Saints twenty one to fourteen in favor of the Rams.
Speaker 1: This one was just that, you know, the weird one
Speaker 1: with Taysom Hill going down. It seemed like every single
Speaker 1: time I looked, Alvin Kamara had the ball, because he did.
Speaker 1: He had twenty seven touches, he went over one hundred
Speaker 1: on the ground. MVS caught a touchdown, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: fifty plus yards. Taysom Hill a couple catches, couple of
Speaker 1: rushes before getting hurt, and the most disappointing thing for me,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, well, there's a fantasy angle here,
Speaker 1: but my god, I had a little fifty yard parlay
Speaker 1: going and I just needed Cup to be involved in
Speaker 1: there and Debro's cup Cup Cup was absolutely not involved
Speaker 1: in this game. Three catches for seventeen yards. Puka did
Speaker 1: have a touchdown. The biggest surprise though, was Blake Krumb.
Speaker 1: Blake Korum eight for forty two look good in his
Speaker 1: opportunities he was getting early. Kyen ended up having the
Speaker 1: massive Kyene day, but Blake Koram's usage kind of perks
Speaker 1: up a tiny bit. Do you think there's anything there
Speaker 1: through the end of the season with Blake Koram or
Speaker 1: is it just an annoyance that takes away from Kyroen.
Speaker 2: I think right now it's an annoyance. But if you're
Speaker 2: rostering Kyroene and you don't have Korum and he's on
Speaker 2: the wire, you need to go get him because if
Speaker 2: he goes down, Korum's value shoots through the roof. And
Speaker 2: if you're someone that has RB issues, then go get
Speaker 2: Koram because if anything happens to Kyne, then his value
Speaker 2: shoots through the roof. If you have that extra roster
Speaker 2: spot that you're not doing anything with, MVS is sitting
Speaker 2: there and you know you can cut him and get
Speaker 2: yourself a running back. I would I would like to stay.
Speaker 2: I want to cut. They got the Giants next week.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to cut MVS. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think I'm going to start MVS
Speaker 2: most of the time. So if it's just I guess
Speaker 2: my point is not MVS specifically, if you have a
Speaker 2: guy on your on your bench that is not going
Speaker 2: starting lineup because you just can't find a way to
Speaker 2: wedge him in there, I would rather have quorum and
Speaker 2: wait and see.
Speaker 1: Was there anything else out of this game that stood
Speaker 1: out to you? Stafford wasn't at his best fourteen to
Speaker 1: twenty four. He had two touchdowns. Derek Carr had a
Speaker 1: bunch of volume, but not big production just because his
Speaker 1: team is kind of a mess. And you had mentioned
Speaker 1: Jwan Johnson maybe being somebody that you know can be
Speaker 1: a pickup if you lost Taysom Hill and it's a
Speaker 1: really like just empty wire. Anything else in this game
Speaker 1: fantasy wise.
Speaker 2: No, not really. I mean, like you said, Johnson five
Speaker 2: for thirty six, not a great day, but still way
Speaker 2: better than Kyle Pitts and seven targets on the table.
Speaker 2: Now that Taysom Hill has gone a a big chunk.
Speaker 1: The Rams have Buffalo next week, no boy no. But
Speaker 1: as I mentioned the Saints, they've got the Giants. So
Speaker 1: if you get Taysom Hill out, I mean it is
Speaker 1: going to be the Alvin Kamaraes show. MBS will get
Speaker 1: a couple of those targets and he might be even
Speaker 1: more playable against that Giants team. And I actually do
Speaker 1: like Dwan Johnson the more that we're kind of talking
Speaker 1: about it and going up against the Giants next week,
Speaker 1: he might be a super sneaky option because Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: was there just their secret weapon. But legit, it should
Speaker 1: be thirty touches for Kamara next week.
Speaker 2: Got the Giants lost, Dexter, Lawrence Antheo Johnson, Catt, Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2: It is a mess. They are packing it in for
Speaker 2: the winner.
Speaker 1: I think two more games. Wild game. At the start
Speaker 1: of this live stream, that was if you were watching
Speaker 1: on the video, I was looking down at where the
Speaker 1: Bucks and Panthers went into overtime, miss field goal, then
Speaker 1: a turnover, and Thenclaughlin hit the field goal to win
Speaker 1: the game. Bucks win twenty six to twenty three. Am
Speaker 1: I saying that correctly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Twenty six to twenty three in overtime. Bucky Irving had
Speaker 1: an absolutely monster correction game to one fifty two on
Speaker 1: the ground with a score in twenty five carries. Also
Speaker 1: caught three for thirty three. You're welcome, love some Bucky.
Speaker 1: Mike Evans had a big day eight for one to
Speaker 1: eighteen in a score. Baker Mayfield did not have a
Speaker 1: great day. He got hit knocked out of this game
Speaker 1: for a tiny bit. Trask had to come in throw
Speaker 1: a pass, but he came back. He threw two interceptions
Speaker 1: with a touchdown. And on the Panthers side, Bryce Young
Speaker 1: twenty six to forty six, two ninety eight and a
Speaker 1: touchdown shoot, but had a really slow game. Bryce also
Speaker 1: had a rushing touchdown. Delan eight for ninety nine and
Speaker 1: a score. Tommy Trimble had five or seventy seven. Delan
Speaker 1: is the number one there and he is a massive
Speaker 1: target for Bryce Young, and he might still be out
Speaker 1: on the wire. I think he's the type of guy
Speaker 1: that you just make just make sure, just make sure,
Speaker 1: had you not just to pick him up and don't
Speaker 1: let him float around because the Panthers, they are just
Speaker 1: slinging the ball at the end of games.
Speaker 2: I completely agree with that, and Leeged had one hit
Speaker 2: him right between the numbers and just flat out dropped it.
Speaker 2: Eight targets right, yeah, yeah, a lot of targets for
Speaker 2: him too. I mean, look, Bryce Young look good. Now again,
Speaker 2: you know Irving got the Panthers defense, Sam Bryce Young
Speaker 2: got the Bucks defense. So you know this is a
Speaker 2: little bit of a slap fight. But uh yeah, Delan,
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you. If he's gonna be getting
Speaker 2: a lot of targets and we expect the Panthers to
Speaker 2: pass the ball a lot because they're going to be
Speaker 2: losing a lot, then yeah, wheels up, let's go get
Speaker 2: him if he's on the wire. Absolutely, I'm not too concerned.
Speaker 2: I know it was twelve touches to nine touches for
Speaker 2: Hubbard and Brooks. I don't see the snap count yet,
Speaker 2: but I still I'm just not too concerned about Hubbard
Speaker 2: moving forward. The one thing the Bucks have on defense
Speaker 2: is a good front, so.
Speaker 1: Just point out too. But didn't get involved in the
Speaker 1: passing game. And I believe he's the one with a
Speaker 1: critical fumble. Not saying that's gonna amount to anything to
Speaker 1: give him a contract extension, but just very interesting seeing
Speaker 1: the usage adjustment here Jonathan Brooks nine touches technically to
Speaker 1: Cuba's twelve, and in the receiving game and then that
Speaker 1: critical fumble. I don't know, man, like maybe Jonathan, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think Jonathan Brooks has enough juice to be
Speaker 1: the type of guy that you would flex if you're desperate? Desperate?
Speaker 2: I sews, Yeah, you have to have pretty big stones,
Speaker 2: I think to do that, But I mean I would.
Speaker 2: I want to look at the snap count. I want
Speaker 2: to see what the snap count was between these guys
Speaker 2: before I make, uh, you know, a big time decision.
Speaker 2: But right now, I don't think I would. I still think,
Speaker 2: you know, this is a backup running back for the Panthers.
Speaker 2: I think Chuba is still their guy. Me.
Speaker 1: What about Bucky?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Where are you out of? Like I see it, I
Speaker 1: didn't get. I want to say I got a pushback. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I didn't get. I don't call it pushback,
Speaker 1: like I do feel like I'm kind of the Bucky guy,
Speaker 1: uh in our crew because it was every question today,
Speaker 1: I'm like Bucky Bucky, But like, do you think this is.
Speaker 2: He defended him so so much on our show that
Speaker 2: you threw me under the bus for my ranking of
Speaker 2: him and I it's still higher than he's ther on him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh whatever Bogan hypothetical fumble for I'm like,
Speaker 2: I have him at thirteen.
Speaker 1: Bro, I'm not like, well, but my point was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you had said, like, well, if he fumbles, like now,
Speaker 1: Bucky's not He's not coming out of the game.
Speaker 2: I think it will have a shot White. But after this, yeah,
Speaker 2: Rashad White is the backup, So that's why is the guy.
Speaker 1: So my main point is like, what do you you think, like,
Speaker 1: what's the line of where Bucky starts over said person.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a million Bucky questions this week because
Speaker 1: he's the type of guy that someone might have with,
Speaker 1: you know, Brice Hall and another good back. I'm starting
Speaker 1: Bucky over Breese Hall. And it's not even a question,
Speaker 1: but I know it will be a question. I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: what do you just pseudo you're not doing the research
Speaker 1: right now? What do you think the line is? He's
Speaker 1: top fifteen, he's the top twelve. You did say RB one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's an RB one. Moving forward with
Speaker 2: some of these guys falling a little bit and Bucky
Speaker 2: getting twenty five touches. Again, it's the Panthers, but they
Speaker 2: get the Raiders next week, and then they play the Chargers,
Speaker 2: not a good matchup, but then they get the Cowboys
Speaker 2: and the Panthers' just so yeah, the rest of this
Speaker 2: schedule is unbelievable for Bucky. So yeah, Bucky is going
Speaker 2: to be an RB one moving forward, if not like
Speaker 2: a top ten RB.
Speaker 1: Only other thing, Sterling Shepherd end up having seven targets
Speaker 1: in this game again in the world of Desperation. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's something maybe worth looking out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of those type of guys. Leguet might
Speaker 1: be one of the Sterling Shepard we've talked.
Speaker 2: I would rather have the get I'd rather have so
Speaker 2: many guys in Sterling Shepard. I just think he's super old,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think he is extremely touchdown de pendant.
Speaker 2: Now they put him in around the goal line a lot.
Speaker 2: You see him in those formations. You see him getting
Speaker 2: the occasional target, the occasional touchdown. But I just don't
Speaker 2: want anything to do with Cerling Shepard, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Final game that we're breaking down Eagles and the Ravens
Speaker 1: Eagles beat him twenty four to nineteen in Baltimore. Jalen
Speaker 1: hurts to see it, you love to see it. Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: U it was pretty brute to watch. Be honest, if
Speaker 1: you watch this game, this was not a great game.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts eleven for one nineteen one hundred, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Eleven for nineteen, one hundred and eighteen passing yards with
Speaker 1: a touchdown. He had a rushing touchdown. Barkley did go
Speaker 1: over one hundred. AJ Brown we all thought no one
Speaker 1: person is culpable here. We all thought AJ Brown was
Speaker 1: going to go ballistic. He was just five for sixty six.
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard had a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Get him the ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they couldn't. There wasn't a lot of great
Speaker 1: throwing in general. Lamar Jackson was pretty good. Twenty three
Speaker 1: or thirty six for two thirty seven, two touchdowns. He
Speaker 1: rushed for seventy nine. Derrick Henry was fine eighty two yards.
Speaker 1: We have unfair expectations for him. Mark Andrews six for
Speaker 1: sixty seven and a touchdown just absolutely saved me. Likely
Speaker 1: also had to score. Zay Flowers seventy four yards. What
Speaker 1: do you do here? You know, what is the breakdown.
Speaker 1: It was a brutal week for Hurts, and you know,
Speaker 1: hat tip to anyone that did put questions into this
Speaker 1: matchup and maybe didn't start Jalen Hurts for some other options.
Speaker 1: But is there anything that's breaked down noble here? I
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better about Mark Andrews.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sucks Jalen Hurts is not passing the ball. Well,
Speaker 2: they only let him throw it nineteen times. They ran it,
Speaker 2: what is that thirty three times? And he got He
Speaker 2: got a little exposed in this game because the Ravens
Speaker 2: secondary has been garbage and he could not do anything
Speaker 2: against him. That's why aj Brown was so high in
Speaker 2: all the rankings. So I'm a little concern for targets
Speaker 2: with the e was moving forward, I mean got a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Devontae didn't play in this game. Maybe DeVante comes back
Speaker 2: and loosens everything up, and you know, just the whole
Speaker 2: offense moves a little bit better. Let's hope for that.
Speaker 2: But Herts was brutal to watch today because everyone's been
Speaker 2: passing on the Ravens, So I was a little surprised
Speaker 2: by that. You're right, with the Ravens there's not much
Speaker 2: to break down outside of I got a text from
Speaker 2: our boy c K today, He's like, why did the
Speaker 2: Ravens trade for Deontay Johnson? Again, like what was the
Speaker 2: point because he's just never on the field, And I said,
Speaker 2: because it was free and he could replace Ay if
Speaker 2: something like they.
Speaker 1: Did a favor for somebody, someone called in a favor
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: No, by trading that pick, they get the comp pick
Speaker 2: back for when Deontay signed somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So it's what it's free? Are you going to get
Speaker 1: a two forty two? It's the same thing they traded it.
Speaker 2: It's a six. They traded a six, they get a
Speaker 2: six back, so they you literally have nothing to lose.
Speaker 2: And the Panthers get the idiot out of their locker room,
Speaker 2: and you know, they get Adam Alan back and get
Speaker 2: involved in just more younger players involved in Deanta's big
Speaker 2: old cry baby. So you hate to see it. You
Speaker 2: hate to see him go to a team and they
Speaker 2: lose a bunch of games.
Speaker 1: I know you do, I know you do. Ravens are
Speaker 1: on a buy and it's the biggest brutal bloats for
Speaker 1: me and a lot of fantasy teams Dereck Henry. I
Speaker 1: have in a lot of spots this year. I've got
Speaker 1: to share two of Lamar Mark Andrews early on was
Speaker 1: very unfortunate that I've had a lot. This is probably
Speaker 1: one of the biggest blows to the bipocalypse. They're out
Speaker 1: on the inverse of what we were just talking about,
Speaker 1: and just wanted to throw out. The Eagles have the Panthers,
Speaker 1: so if there's a game to potentially get right, hopefully
Speaker 1: the Eagles can get right against the Panthers at home.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts get going. It's a beautiful, perfect matchup Bogs.
Speaker 1: Those are the games we got the snowball. I know
Speaker 1: people listening you'll know the ramifications of it. I will
Speaker 1: say that, and Terrell and I talked about this early indications.
Speaker 1: We literally said this. I said, hey, listen with what
Speaker 1: the knowledge that we have right now is this game
Speaker 1: looks terrifying because of the weather, But we could overplay
Speaker 1: it and the weather could calm itself down where it
Speaker 1: is just a bad, weird, cold game and there could
Speaker 1: still be a ton of offense. At this stage that
Speaker 1: might have been it, and hopefully we had enough options
Speaker 1: to like turn to you were never not starting McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: but party is going to be very interesting in here.
Speaker 1: Shakir Jinnings, I think those are guys that are very susceptible.
Speaker 1: I'm saying all this, you guys know it, not trying
Speaker 1: to break it down, but just to say that, like
Speaker 1: this was the risk of having a game at night
Speaker 1: that has torrential you know, snowstorms. It was just a
Speaker 1: really unfortunate thing. It would have been great if we
Speaker 1: had it at any other time. But that will be
Speaker 1: a big part of what we're talking about this week.
Speaker 1: So the final thing is, is there anything else from
Speaker 1: this week from a fantasy perspective that we're going to
Speaker 1: be carrying into week fourteen?
Speaker 2: Do you think that we didn't just by apocalypse? Man,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's going to be a lot of
Speaker 2: scrambling to fill your roster and figure it out. So
Speaker 2: we will be with you the whole week doing shows
Speaker 2: to tell you how to fix the holes.
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