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Speaker 1: And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by a r P.

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Speaker 1: And it's Bucky Brooks. But no, we don't have DJ.

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Speaker 1: We have eight Town's finest, my Man Lance their line

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Speaker 1: on the other end. How you doing, Lances, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the city where just don't stop by. Man, how's everything going?

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Speaker 1: It's been a look, it's been a crazy fall for you.

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Speaker 1: You've had so much stuff to do. Like I know

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Speaker 1: you're busy not only hosting your radio show and doing

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Speaker 1: all of the other stuff, but man, you dig deep

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Speaker 1: into the scouting profile. So I can't wait to kind

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Speaker 1: of talk to you about that stuff. I also want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about the coaching and GM firing

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Speaker 1: news to potential replacements, reactions, all of that stuff to

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Speaker 1: college football playoffs. Obviously whenever you see the college football playoffs,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had a chance to see some of

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Speaker 1: the top prospects in the one class and then preview

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Speaker 1: Saturday's a f C walk or matchups. Because you're there

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Speaker 1: I gotta get your insight on that game. And so

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Speaker 1: the Titans versus the Patriots. But first off, man, let's

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Speaker 1: start with some of these uh coaching firemers. I just

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Speaker 1: want to get your take, because look, not only you

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Speaker 1: I just kind of got want to go down him

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Speaker 1: one by one. The New York Giants fired Pet Shermer.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised? What do you think about that John's

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Speaker 1: job in general? I actually was, because that's an old

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Speaker 1: school family that owns it, the Mayor family, and you

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Speaker 1: know typically would like the Rooneys, the marriage. It's there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more consistency from a head coaching standpoint, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect to see Pat Shermer fired after two years.

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Speaker 1: I know, the the Giants, they just drafted a quarterback

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Speaker 1: You give Shermer a new You got rid of Odell

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Speaker 1: There's some things to build on. You can't fix all

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Speaker 1: Bucky I wanna right here at the outset. I want

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Speaker 1: you have a really interesting perspective because of your connections

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Speaker 1: to the you know, to both sides, the players side,

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to Freddie Kitchens because I think that

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Speaker 1: clearly a factor. You don't have an offensive line that's

431
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Speaker 1: gonna take time to you know, you gotta just focus

432
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Speaker 1: a draft on getting the offense, on taking care of

433
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Speaker 1: and this looks like a pretty decent offensive line. Draft

434
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: definitely good for tackles, better than I've seen and since

435
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: I've probably been doing the uh the writing for NFL

436
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: dot com. And then you know, two receivers at a

437
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Speaker 1: thousand yards. You know what you had Baker Mayfield two touchdowns,

438
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: one interceptions. That's not good enough, but you see the

439
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: potential is on tape. You see the potential on tape. Defensively,

440
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: I think that they need one big voice and they

441
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: got to get the organization figured out. Between the analytics,

442
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: the coaching, and the personnel. They've got to figure out

443
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Speaker 1: how to get on the same page. Because I don't

444
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: know that they have the same shared vision and that

445
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: we're all in this together and we're all kumbay yah.

446
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: I don't get the sense that that's the case. But

447
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Cleveland, I really do. My dad

448
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 1: was in Cleveland with Butch davis Um. He was on

449
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: that staff that came in, uh there were the second

450
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,400
Speaker 1: staff on that team with that organization after they came back,

451
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: and so he was there starting in two thousand one,

452
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Speaker 1: and that I mean, I just know I have my

453
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Speaker 1: heartbroken for him. With that Kelly Holcomb game where he

454
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: went off for four yards and the snow against Pittsburgh,

455
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: but they ended up losing. Since then, it's been an

456
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: absolute disaster for the Browns. And you want for their

457
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Speaker 1: fans who still stay loyal, You want them to have

458
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: somebody who loves them and grinds and puts into work

459
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: and puts on for the city. And I just, man,

460
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Speaker 1: it's just I have it's hard to believe that they're

461
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Speaker 1: in order. You we used to say that about the

462
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: Clippers with Donald Sterling. Man, it's like the Clippers. Now

463
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: it's the Browns And I don't even know who else

464
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: to compare them to, you like that's it's the Browns

465
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: are that organization in all of sports. And I feel

466
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Speaker 1: bad for him. Yeah, I do feel bad for him.

467
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: And I will say this, And I am never one

468
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: that says that you should turn down talent because you're

469
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna hear some people saying like, hey, they've done a

470
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: great job of collecting talent, but they haven't build a team.

471
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Speaker 1: I disagree with that notion that you can't have a

472
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Speaker 1: very talented team and win. Um. I think what you

473
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Speaker 1: have to have is when you have a team with

474
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. And a Jarvis Landry and a Nick

475
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: Chubb and some of the other loud personalities that you have.

476
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Speaker 1: The guy in the front of the room has to

477
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Speaker 1: be a dude, and he has to be a dude

478
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Speaker 1: who is clearly respected. And because of that, I know

479
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Speaker 1: that they're throwing out these first time head coaches, these

480
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Speaker 1: guys who were coming out you mentioned Robert, So I

481
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Speaker 1: believe this has to be a job where an experienced

482
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: guy who has some pelts on the wall comes in,

483
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: because then he can come in and be like, hey, dude,

484
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't really care, I've done this, I've done it

485
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Speaker 1: at a high level. I know that there is some contention,

486
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Speaker 1: some friction maybe between the Mike McCarthy and Dorrisey and

487
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Speaker 1: some of those guys in there, But the guy who

488
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: would be perfect for that job, in my mind, would

489
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Speaker 1: be a Mike McCarthy because not only has he won

490
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Speaker 1: at the highest level, he's won a Super Bowl, he

491
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Speaker 1: has a terrific record. He's coached Aaron Rodgers, so Baker

492
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Mayfield can't pipe up and say anything. He's coached big

493
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: time receivers and had a lot of production, so Jervis

494
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Speaker 1: Landry and Odell Beckham Jr. He knows how to get

495
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Speaker 1: them to football and and being from that Midwest because

496
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: he's a Western p a guy like, look, he understands

497
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: how the Browns have to be in Lance. I'm a

498
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: believer that your team has to reflect the city, and

499
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Speaker 1: so you being in Agetown, I believe the Texans and

500
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,479
Speaker 1: the Rockets and the Astros, they all gotta have something

501
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: that is very Agetown like about them. When I look

502
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 1: at the Browns, the Browns are the dog pound, blue collar,

503
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: hard nose, rough and rugged. They have to play to

504
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Speaker 1: that identity. And I think the head coach has to

505
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Speaker 1: have some of that and then we'll see how it

506
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Speaker 1: goes down the line. Yeah, I do think that. I

507
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: do think the right head coach and then um, I

508
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: think the right head coach and the right uh mix

509
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Speaker 1: of offensive lineman because I think you can upgrade fairly quickly.

510
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Speaker 1: We saw Ballard do that and with the Colts he

511
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Speaker 1: did that quickly, upgraded them quickly. If you get that

512
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Speaker 1: upgraded with that, with that group of personnel, with that

513
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Speaker 1: group of a skill position guys, then it just becomes about,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, one voice, one vision. So I think that's interestingly.

515
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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera being fired from the Panthers was almost a

516
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Speaker 1: little more so, especially in season that one shot Bucky.

517
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Speaker 1: That was one that was really surprising to me because

518
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Speaker 1: I thought he had he had had enough cachet built

519
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Speaker 1: up to at least make it through the year. Yeah,

520
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: but I actually think they did him a favor. I

521
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: think he did and they did. They did. They did

522
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Speaker 1: him a favor in the end by letting them go

523
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: because look, David Tepper and the Carolina Panthers wanted to

524
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Speaker 1: go in the different directions. He is very, very big

525
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: on the analytical world. And look, we we we've talked

526
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Speaker 1: about that. He wants to be on the cutting edge.

527
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: He's done some things on the business side that is

528
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Speaker 1: really upgraded the team and the franchise in the way

529
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Speaker 1: they're going. They're building a new facility down in Rocky Hill,

530
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Speaker 1: South Carolina. So he's trying to take it to the

531
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Speaker 1: next level. I think the coach that he hires is

532
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Speaker 1: going to be a guy that kind of embraces all

533
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Speaker 1: of that and maybe puts a product that kind of

534
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Speaker 1: reflects that vision that he has. I think in Ron Rivera,

535
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Speaker 1: what you had is a guy it was old school like, look,

536
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Speaker 1: Ron Rivera played for the Chicago Bearts. He played in

537
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Speaker 1: the mix on the Mike Dicka. He's been around the block.

538
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Speaker 1: He's with the Philadelphia Eagles and the Jim Johnson UH

539
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Speaker 1: and he read he he kind of understands those things.

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Speaker 1: North Turner obviously, he was a decordinator for him in

541
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Speaker 1: San Diego before getting the job. He has had some

542
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: success um look, winning record for playoff appearances, three straight

543
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Speaker 1: division titles. He has done some of those things that

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Speaker 1: you like. I think with Washington, UH, now that you

545
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Speaker 1: have Bruce Allen out of there, I think the one

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00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: thing that the Washington Ridskins need they need stability. They

547
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: need uh consistency in terms of the approach and the

548
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: way they go about doing things. They need someone who

549
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Speaker 1: can hold their guys accountable. Now I believe Ron can

550
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: do all of those things. I think the big thing

551
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: that will have to happen for Ron who is going

552
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: to be the offensive coordinated with the young quarterback because

553
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Speaker 1: the owner is fond of Dwayne Haskins. I believe Dwayne

554
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Haskins definitely has some talent, but I do believe that

555
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Speaker 1: pairing the quarterback with the right coordinator is critical. I

556
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: would say I don't know if he's gonna bring north Turner.

557
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: I would think north Turner would be great for Dwayne

558
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: Haskins in terms of the way that he called plays,

559
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: that vertical system and all that other stuff. But Ron

560
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: Rivera has to get it right when it comes to

561
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Speaker 1: who he hises to oc because the young quarterback has

562
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Speaker 1: to continue to grow and development. Yeah, I think that's critical.

563
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Speaker 1: I mean we know this. Anytime that you draft a

564
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round, your job as a head

565
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: coach depends on development of that quarterback. And even though

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Speaker 1: round Rivera is being hired beyond when when Haskins was

567
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: first drafted, Haskins is still his responsibility the growth and development.

568
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Speaker 1: We know Ron is a you know is is a

569
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Speaker 1: defensive minded guy, so finding the right mix and I

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00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: agree with you, Haskins is a pocket passer who's got

571
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Speaker 1: a chance to push the ball the best thing to do.

572
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: Terry McLaren was a great addition for them. What a

573
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Speaker 1: what a great season he had this year. Even though

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Speaker 1: you may have missed on Josh Dockson, you got it

575
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: right with McLaren. And I think continuing to you know,

576
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Speaker 1: fit the pieces defensively, um find maybe a healthier tight

577
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Speaker 1: end that you can really rely upon there's a out

578
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: of out of Florida Atlantic name Harrison Bruns. That's that's

579
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: a dude. Watch the Ohio State. You're like, oh yeah,

580
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Speaker 1: like him at all. Yeah, that's the kind of guy

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00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: like because he can, he can block for you, he

582
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: can help him a run game. He's a dude, is

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Speaker 1: a pass catcher, he's a great athlete. Go give him

584
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Speaker 1: a safety blanket at corner, I mean at a tight end.

585
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: Go find another wide receiver bolster that's that core, add

586
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: an offensive linement and get better on defense. But you're right,

587
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: all that's fine and good, but you gotta have the

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00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: right signal caller back there for him. You gotta have

589
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the right play caller. Yeah, I think I think the

590
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: right play caller. And also Um, because it's been done before,

591
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: what he did with Carolina. Like, if you look at

592
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Speaker 1: how Carolina won, they won with a young quarterback with

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00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: a dominant running game and a stellar defense. I think

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00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: you build it the same way in Washington. Look, I'm

595
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: a believer the Washington red Skins in their heyday with

596
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, where they were winning three Super Bowls with

597
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: three different quarterbacks. The thing that was always Um, the

598
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: common Deenomen dominant. Yeah, the offensive line, the hall. You

599
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: can run the football and then they play great defense.

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Speaker 1: I think that is how you build it. And Washington

601
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: with Dwayne Haskins as a pocket passer, I look, i

602
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: want to stud running back. I want a big, beefy

603
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Speaker 1: offensive line where we match people, and then I'm gonna

604
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: let those pass rushers hunt. And I'm thinking, look, I

605
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: got my desk with I got an older Ryan care Again,

606
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm picking second so I can take Chase young man,

607
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I rebuild that defense, and we get a rocking and

608
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: rolling in the nation's capital. Bucky, what do you think

609
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Speaker 1: about this? Now? More than ever, quarterbacks are groomed to

610
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Speaker 1: a to be a certain type of quarterback from the

611
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Speaker 1: time they're very very young, from quarterback camps to the

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Speaker 1: opening to the elite opening, the elite whatever, all the

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Speaker 1: you do, all that stuff. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. You got this quarterback

615
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: camp that could the Manning Passing Academy, Steve Clarkson, George Whitfield.

616
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Speaker 1: You got seven on sevens here in Texas it's huge

617
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: as seven on sevens as as well as in California.

618
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Speaker 1: And and then you have systems the quarterbacks get into.

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Speaker 1: You ask less of them from a mental standpoint because

620
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the adjustments are made on the sidelines.

621
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Speaker 1: But they're very good at some things that quarterbacks weren't

622
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: as good at in the past. I think they're more

623
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: accurate in terms of some of the ways that that

624
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: they throw the ball, on their understandings of understanding of

625
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: how to throw the deep ball, and and touch that

626
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: needs to be you know, that needs to be used.

627
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: And I think there are some quarterbacks that do a

628
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: very good job of reading safeties and making decisions on

629
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Speaker 1: combo routes, even if they're not really classic full field readers.

630
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: But now more than ever, I don't think quarterbacks can

631
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: change their stripes. I think nowadays a quarterback is who

632
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: he's going to be once he gets in to the league. Now,

633
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: they're obviously going to grow and get better and and

634
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: change some but I feel like you absolutely must build offenses.

635
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: Except for a few rare exceptions, I think you absolutely

636
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: must build the offense, including the play caller, and really

637
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: the concept of what you're gonna do philosophically around who

638
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback is, what his strengths and weaknesses are, and

639
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: you you do not say, well, this is a kind

640
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: of offense we run and we need him to get

641
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: better at doing this and this and this, because you

642
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: know what, you're gonna find yourself out of a job.

643
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Speaker 1: If that's what you think you're gonna do. You got

644
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Speaker 1: to match it to your quarterback. You absolutely have to

645
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Speaker 1: match it. And that was kind of like a nice

646
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: jumping point to the n f C Wilder Weekend because

647
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: right there in your city, in the town, you got

648
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills coming in to take on the Houston

649
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: Texas and you have two quarterbacks Josh Allen and Deshaun Watson,

650
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: where you could say that the offensive coordinators have done

651
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: a great job of matching the system to the player.

652
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: When you look at that matchup, what do you see,

653
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: particularly with the quarterbacks? Well, I mean, you know, for

654
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: for Deshaun, Deshaun is still a work in progress, and

655
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: I think some of it he's got a very unique buck.

656
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about something now that no one talks

657
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: about down here, and it's not talked about nationally, and

658
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: that's I do think Bill O'Brien has done a very

659
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: good job of creating an offense and a and an

660
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: identity and a philosophy around what Deshaun Watson does well.

661
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: I think he's done a good job of that. I

662
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: think for the most party, he has been a pretty

663
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: good play caller, not a great game manager, and I

664
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: don't think he should be GM, but I think as

665
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: a play caller um and and building an offense around

666
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: de Shawn strengths, I think he's done a pretty good job.

667
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: The strange thing about Watson is he can look dominant

668
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: for stretches and then he'll have a game that looks

669
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: like a regression game where you think, what in the

670
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: world happened here? We saw it against Denver, we saw

671
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: it against the Baltimore Ravens, we saw it against the

672
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers this year. He just will randomly throwing a game,

673
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: and you see it in the first two series where

674
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: he's holding onto the ball forever and it just can't

675
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: get into rhythm. And once he starts that way, he

676
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: usually finishes that way. But a big problem for him

677
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: has been that Will Fuller. They can't keep him healthy,

678
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: and that dude is so important because when he's and

679
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: you know this, Bucky, when you have a field stretcher

680
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: like that, you can't play games with the safeties. You

681
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: you can't be a game player. You gotta just make

682
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: sure that you stay deeper than the deepest. When you

683
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: have a guy with that kind of speed and game

684
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: breaking ability, it helps the running game out, it helps

685
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback out. It's gonna help DeAndre Hopkins out. And yes,

686
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: you you got a chance to get a chunk play.

687
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: If they get a little frisky with running single high,

688
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: you've got a chance to do some damage down the

689
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: deep sideline. And I think um will Fuller's injury history

690
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: has been a big problem with Deshaun getting into rhythm offensively.

691
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another one that's not talked about.

692
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins does not practice a lot. He is a

693
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: veteran who has some bumps and bruises behind the scenes.

694
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: He's not a big practice er. He's not going to

695
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: practice a whole lot. Kenny Still's same thing, bumps, bruises, veteran,

696
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: doesn't practice a whole lot. Will Fuller always hurt. So

697
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: you've got a quarterback in Deshaun Watson who's three primary targets.

698
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: He can't get them on the practice field very often

699
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: together at one time. I mean, I think it's tough

700
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: on a young quarterback to develop that synergy and develop

701
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: the rhythm with three different targets as one collective group,

702
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: especially when you have you know, some revolving door issues

703
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: going on at right tackle right now as well, so

704
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: I think. And then you've got Bill O'Brien doing his

705
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: GM stuff and personnel stuff, and you've got a different

706
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. And I've heard this behind the scenes from

707
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: someone tight in the building who um was someone tight

708
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: with with with uh with. I don't want to give

709
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: away too much, but let's just say this, Bill O'Brien

710
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: is coming in late to the process to handle the

711
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: offensive stuff. The install is primarily done without him, and

712
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: then he'll come in and make some changes and alterations

713
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: to game plan like on on a Friday or Saturday.

714
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: That's not good. That's not good. I wanted to put

715
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: that out there because I want to I want to Shawn,

716
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: I don't think it's optimal for Deshaun Watson right now,

717
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: and that's a problem. He can handle it. He can

718
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: still thrive. But when people look at him, they need

719
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: to understand that some of the things that are standard

720
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: with other NFL teams, he's dealing with some unique issues. Yeah,

721
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: because he's winning in spite of and I think, yeah,

722
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Look, I love their uh three

723
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: headed monster a wide receiver. When Will Fullers there, you

724
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: talking about stretch in the field, DeAndre hot DeAndre Hopkins.

725
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: When I talked to the defense cording and they said,

726
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: he's an absolute dog, like you just can't deal with him.

727
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: He ain't done on one situation, he does it. And

728
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: then they got the perfect guy and Kenny Stills who

729
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: wears people out in the slot or outside. So I

730
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: like the pieces around him. When I look at the

731
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, what I will say is man. And it

732
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: was hard for me looking at Josh Allen as a

733
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: prospect because man, it was like wow and whoa. Like

734
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 1: you see some wild throws and he's see month throws,

735
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: You'd be like, WHOA, why is he making that throw?

736
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Speaker 1: But I will say the Buffalo Bills um have done

737
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: a really really good job. Brian Dayball has done a

738
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: great job of put him in a situation where he

739
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: can play to his strengths and where he is right now.

740
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: The strengths are the athleticism and the pure arm talent,

741
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: meaning his athleticism as a runner as a scrambler creates

742
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: added dimensions in big plays. His arm talent allowed enables

743
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: him to throw the ball over the top of the defense.

744
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: We've seen John Brown emerges a thousand years receiver for

745
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. We've seen Cole Beasley be a critical

746
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: factor in their third down package when they spread it out,

747
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: go empty, and they allow him to do his thing.

748
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bills are problematic for the Houston Texans, not

749
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: only because of their offense, but Sean McDermott and Leslie

750
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: Fraser have done a terrific job with his defense. This

751
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: is a game that if I'm a Texans fan, I'm

752
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: a little worried about because the Buffalo Bills basically play

753
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: defense to make you crack. They're waiting for you to

754
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: make the big mistake. And if you make that big mistake,

755
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is just good enough to make enough plays.

756
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: I think this is a game where Deshaun Watson has

757
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: to kind of tow the line between being a playmaker

758
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: and a game manager. And as you said, the first

759
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: quarter will tell us a lot about what he's going

760
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: to do and how's he going to do it. Yeah,

761
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: and you know, I haven't watched the pro tape to

762
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: tell you that if there's a common theme about what

763
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators are doing to to get him out of

764
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: his rhythm early on, I can't tell you this. I

765
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: completely agree with you about Buffalo. Buffalo is one of

766
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: those teams that wants to stay close to you in

767
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and then trying to overtake you um

768
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: at the end. But you can also boat race them

769
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of you can get out in front

770
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: of them as long as you are steady, you don't

771
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: turn the ball over. If you can get out in

772
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: front early, that's a big key. But but buck there.

773
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: The Texans are one of the worst teams in the

774
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 1: league in the first force. In the first quarter, they're

775
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: one of the worst. And when that happens, the the

776
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: home crowd has no juice like right now, that the

777
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: home crowd the Texans fans are kind of a cynical

778
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: bunch right now anyway, because they've seen this story time

779
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: and time again and it always ends the same way

780
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: with you know, with with failure, and they're already they

781
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: need something to get excited about. If you get off

782
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: to a poor start or Buffalo scores early, that energy

783
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: is gonna be zapped from the building, and they got

784
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: a problem. They need to score early. They need to

785
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: script some plays that get them rolling and gets to

786
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Shawn into a rhythm. Carlo's hyde is going to have

787
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: to be a dude, which is tough against the Buffalo Bills.

788
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: And then I think most importantly is they've got to

789
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: get on the board first so that the building has

790
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: some energy. I think it will help having J. J.

791
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: Watt even playing, because that's really gonna get people hyped,

792
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: and that's a good thing for them. Not it is

793
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: a very very good thing. Let's go to the other

794
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: matchup very quick. The Tennessee Titans go to New England

795
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: to take on the Patriots. Obviously, we didn't expect the

796
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: Patriots to be playing, uh walk card weekend. They blow

797
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: a game against the Miami Dolphins. So from your advantage point, um,

798
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Patriots? Do you think

799
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: this is the end of the dynasty? Is it over? Yeah?

800
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: It's over? And I and you've seen cracks when Rob

801
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: Gronkowski hasn't been there in the past, Tom Brady has

802
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: really struggled and eventually Gronk would make it back, and

803
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: we'd say, oh, here, it is premature on Brady again,

804
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: Gronk's not there a whole year, and and Brady looks

805
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: like he's falling completely off a cliff. I mean, it's unbelievable.

806
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: You got Stefan Gilmore, he got done up by DeVante

807
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: Parker in the last game and has has not been

808
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: quite as good. Re Sently, you aren't dominating teams with

809
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: your rushing attack right now. I don't see this is

810
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: a big sample size. There really is no reason to

811
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: believe that they can default into some kind of flip

812
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: the switch Patriots team, I don't see it. I don't

813
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: see it with Tom Brady. I don't see what the

814
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: Patriots now. You know, they got a real big battering

815
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: ram and Derrick Henry that can cause majoror major damage.

816
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: He does some damage to the to the body of

817
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: that vehicle when he sideswipes you, So you know, make

818
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: sure that you've got a good body guy that those

819
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: dents out of the uh out of the side panel.

820
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: But um, the story here to me is either the

821
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: downfall of Tom Brady or the second coming of Ryan Tannehill.

822
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's a I think Tannehill along with

823
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Speaker 1: you know, I go back to any test of already

824
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: rich Gannon. This isn't the first time we've seen guys

825
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: have a resurgence from renaissance in their career. I think

826
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: after they flame out the first time around, there's something

827
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: that fundamentally changes with some of these guys where they say,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm I'm I ain't going out like

829
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: that again. If I get another shot, I'm gonna do

830
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: me and I'm gonna let it all hang out. And

831
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: that's what it feels like with Tannehill right now. It

832
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: absolutely feels like that. And I give him a ton

833
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: of I give actually I get the Titans a ton

834
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: of credit for what they were able to do with him.

835
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, uh first time offensive coordinate has done a

836
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: terrific job. Like when they put Ryan Tannehill in the lineup,

837
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: the offense has taking off. And one of the guys

838
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: that has been chiefly responsive for that is not only

839
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, but man A J. Brown has been a killer.

840
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: And you know, like here's the thing, like I feel

841
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: like A J paid for the sins of old miss

842
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: receivers in the past. The Kuan Trip will flame out

843
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of preventing me from falling in love with A J.

844
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Brown because I'm like, man, I kind of seen this before,

845
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: Like big buddy playmaker doesn't have a lot of juice,

846
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: catches a ton of balls. He's terrific in that main,

847
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: but is he going to be able to separate? And man,

848
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: all this guy has done has made a ton of

849
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: big plays, and the work that he has been given

850
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: wide receivers on the perimeter has been a problem. And look,

851
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: I know people that have kind of fallen in love

852
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: with the novelty that Stephan Gilmore is the best cornerback

853
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: in football, but if you looked at him the last

854
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: two or three weeks, people have spun him around like tops.

855
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: The speed receivers have given them problems. A J. Brown

856
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: isn't a speed receiver, but if Stefani Gilmore isn't on

857
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: his game, A J. Brown is going to work. You know.

858
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I'm looking at my overview of of

859
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: what I had on A J. And I just said,

860
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: I just called him slot bully with a rare combination

861
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: of braun and quickness allows him to separate with both

862
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: power and foot quickness. Uh. He has size and demeanor

863
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: to take on a heavy workload as a safety blanket

864
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: for a young quarterback and a ball control passing attack.

865
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: He'll see an upgrade an athlete across from him, but

866
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: he has a feat and body control to uncover and

867
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: create windows as a premium route runner. And and while

868
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: this isn't a typically a classically young quarterback and Ryan Tannehill,

869
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: this is he is new to this resurgence. And I

870
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: think A J. Brown as that safety blanket has been

871
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: a big has made such has made such an packed

872
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: on not only Tannehill, but also we're starting to see

873
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: what Corey Davis a little bit too here. I I'll

874
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: tell you Tennessee to me is a live dog. There's not.

875
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: It's they're not a great offensive team right now in

876
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: New England. You've got a bully on the ground, you've

877
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: got a bully in the slot, and you've got a

878
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: quarterback that is mobile and conduced damage with his legs.

879
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: I think Tennessee is a live dog in the situation.

880
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: And I give them a real shot, uh of of

881
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: upsetting the Patriots if they can get Derrick Henry downhill

882
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: and into a rhythm. Yeah, just feed him. Yeah, it's

883
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: all about it's all about getting downhill. It's all about

884
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: getting them to play the game the right way. I think.

885
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: I think when you look at this matchup, the reason

886
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: is kind of the worst match of the Patriots. Mike

887
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: Rabel isn't a scared of the mystique. And I've been

888
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: calling to Patriots this all year. They're old Mike Tyson.

889
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: They're not Mike Tyson that ran in and knocked uh

890
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: Michael Spain's out. As they are Mike Tyson is hanging

891
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: in the corner against Lennox Lewis and Vander Holyfield. You

892
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: look over there and you see iron Mike. But if

893
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: you can just withstand the opening round or two, you

894
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: can knock him out. I think this is a game

895
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: where the Titans have to play the game quarter the quarter,

896
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: Meaning if they can just get out of the first

897
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: quarter close, get out of halftime close, I think they

898
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: can knock the Patriots out in the second half. Because

899
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: the magic number to me is twenty four. If you

900
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: can put twenty four points on the Patriots, I just

901
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: don't see a scenario where they can score more than

902
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: twenty four points playing their traditional way. I can't believe

903
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: that we say that now but that's the truth. That's

904
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: where we are. I mean, this isn't a this is

905
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: a big sample size. It's an entire season and that's

906
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: what it's been. No, it's it's crazy real quick because

907
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: we've got a few minutes left. I want to fast

908
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: forward to next Monday night, the championship game. Um, look,

909
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: we got two quarterbacks that are I will say, maybe

910
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: the future of the National Football League. Regardless of what

911
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: people may think about Joe Burrow. Some people absolutely love him,

912
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: some people are kind of cool on him. I'm more

913
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: in that camp. I'm kind of wondering, if he's a

914
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: one hit wonder, can he do it again? And then

915
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: you have Trip Trevor Lawrence, who I think about most admissions,

916
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: people are saying he's a transcendent player. When you look

917
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: at this matchup L s U. Clempson, what do you see? Well,

918
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you start with the quarterbacks. You've got one

919
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: guy who I think plays to his system extraordinarily well

920
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: and plays your strengths extraordinarily well. And that's and that's

921
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. And you do start to balance out. Okay, well,

922
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: how much of this is justin Jefferson? How much is

923
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: this is Chase. How much of this is Daddius Moss?

924
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: How much of this is that Joe Moore Award winning

925
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: offensive line? But you know, I gotta tell you Buck,

926
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: I wrote Joe. I wrote Joe Burrow last summer. This

927
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: this last summer, I watched the tape. I was doing

928
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: some quarterbacks. I wrote my notes. I'm like, six seventh

929
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: the best best, That's what I mean, and that's what

930
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: this take was. And then I went and I in

931
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: the midpoint and so early in the season, I just

932
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't buy in. Nope, nope. And I went to the

933
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Texas game. I'm like wall manute, Joe Burrow didn't do

934
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: this last year. I saw him stand in and make

935
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: a and dime dimed at seven yards down the field

936
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: on a zero blitz and I was like, what that

937
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: was not I didn't see this on tape. And then

938
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: as he kept going, I kept waiting for him to crash.

939
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: I kept waiting, and then three quarters through the year,

940
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: I reached over to a friend of mine, who's who's

941
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: in that building, and I said, Hey, did I miss

942
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: on Joe? Because I didn't see armed talent And I

943
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: still don't think he has a big arm, but whatever.

944
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: I didn't see this. He didn't throw with accuracy on

945
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: the run. He was a little late to do this.

946
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: He was smart. You could see he could process and this,

947
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: that and the other. And the guy told me said,

948
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: you're absolutely not wrong. What you said on tape was right.

949
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Last year, he said, he went into the lab, he

950
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: developed mentally as a quarterback, his confidence developed, he said,

951
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: he kept working on his game. He said, Lance, this

952
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: is just a case of the kids just continuing to develop.

953
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: And he happened to develop faster because he found the

954
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: perfect offense to help, you know, help him do what

955
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: he does best mentally, which is play chess and make

956
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: reads and throw accurately. What Trevor Lawrence, you can at

957
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: him in damn near any offense. He's one of the

958
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: rare exceptions, Bucky, that we were talking about earlier when

959
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: you when I say, okay, well then you need to

960
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: build an offense around Trevor Lawrence. But whatever you want

961
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: around him, because it does not matter to me. And

962
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: all the tank for two of talk that we had

963
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: before the year started, Trevor Lawrence is reminding you y'all

964
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: had two years of tanking that you needed to do

965
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: to get to get me because at least, you know,

966
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: more than likely because he was the prize this whole time.

967
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: Like Trevor Lawrence, size, speed, toughness, mental makeup, Trevor Lawrence

968
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: has it all. Joe Burrow we've never. I talked to

969
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Jim the other day. He just can't buy into Joe Burrow.

970
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: He just hard. He said, how can I just forget

971
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: last year? I said, I get it, and we've never.

972
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: You don't have any can you remember this in any sport? Ever? Bucky?

973
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: The only person I can compare it to is the

974
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: rise at Baker Mayfield Head. What about Jeremy Lynn? What

975
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: about lyndsay a little? Yeah, insanity is is very is

976
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: very very close and comparable. Um, this game is gonna

977
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: be one that's terrific because here here's what I will

978
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: say about Joe Burrow and Joe Burrow. And this offense

979
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: does look like Drew Brees. But remember Drew Brees was

980
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: the thirty second pick when he first pick of the

981
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: second round kind of grew into it and Drew Breeses, Yeah,

982
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: Drew Brees didn't really become Drew Brees until he got

983
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton. So when I look at Joe Burrow,

984
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: and I look at this game and I don't know

985
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: if this game is gonna be the game that kind

986
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: of maybe brings him back to earth, because I don't

987
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: know if Clemson is as good as they They're not

988
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: as good as they were upfront last year. They will

989
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: bring pressure, but Joe Burrow kind of gets the ball

990
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: out of his hands very very quickly. I just wanted

991
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: as we look at this game and then we go

992
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: ahead to next year, Hey look, Zach Taylor, you're you're

993
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, But if you

994
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: ain't Joe Brady, can you replicate what this is what's

995
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: happening in L s U. I don't know this game

996
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: is gonna be terrific, though. I am leaning towards the

997
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: Clemson Tigers just because Clemson has kind of like that

998
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: been there, done that feel, and if L s U

999
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: doesn't knock them out early, if you let Clemson hang around,

1000
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: the figure out a way to win. Well, I've just

1001
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: been playing a role of Silkie Johnson all year that

1002
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: the player hater of the year on Clemson all year long,

1003
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: just like, well, you know, they don't have Wilkins and

1004
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: they don't have they don't have Ferrell, And I keep

1005
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: telling you that they don't look the same in the jerseys.

1006
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: It's not the same squad, I'm telling you. And then

1007
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: they then then they then then they beat Ohio State

1008
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: in a phenomenal game. Um, I just feel like two things, Bucky,

1009
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: this is why I like L s U. I have

1010
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: to believe what I've seen over and over and over

1011
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: again with this offense Joe Brow. Whether whether you believe

1012
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: in them as an NFL talent or not, it's clear

1013
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: that he knows how to wreck you with this offense

1014
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: and with these and with the players that he's throwing

1015
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: at you. The second thing is, I think the rise

1016
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: of of Chason and the defense of of L. A

1017
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: Shoe has to be considered because they were a team

1018
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: that was not very good defensively earlier in the year.

1019
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Over the last three or four games, it's like a

1020
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: completely different squad. They have really grown up and gotten

1021
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: healthy and figured things out. And I think more than anything.

1022
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: We'll talk about Burrow, We'll talk about Trevor Lawrence, but

1023
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: I think that the L. S U defense is really

1024
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: the key here because if they keep playing the way

1025
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: that they've been playing recently. It's gonna be really, really

1026
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: difficult for Clemson, uh to get it going offensively to

1027
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: the level that I think they'll have to against the

1028
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: l s us pass an attack. Yeah, man, I think

1029
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a terrific game. It's gonna be

1030
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: fun to watch. I think. Uh. Shoot, man, if I

1031
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: was going to take the over under, I would say

1032
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: eight to say, because I don't know how many stops

1033
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: we will see in this game, but it would be

1034
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: a terrific one to watch, and it'd be one that

1035
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: we reference, uh in the spring when we started doing

1036
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Path to the Draft last man. That was that was fun. Man,

1037
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: it was great. Uh, it was great talk to you.

1038
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to get to some of

1039
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: those college prospects. But I know one thing is for sure,

1040
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: you and I will be talking about it. We'll talk

1041
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: about it soon on the Mood Sticks podcast. I appreciate

1042
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: you filling in for dj uh this today on the podcast. Um,

1043
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: he was great, enjoyed it, have fun, look forward to

1044
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: it again. Hey man. That's hey, guys, that's the end

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