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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do alive. I'm Bo, he's z What

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Speaker 2: do we pick this? We picked Browns by a billion

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Speaker 2: on Friday. Yes, those ones where you play the schedule game.

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Speaker 2: We played it last week. You said, well, look, this

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Speaker 2: Giants team's not very good. Opposing offenses kind of are

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Speaker 2: able to throw the ball and have a little bit

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Speaker 2: of their way with them offensively, There's not a whole

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Speaker 2: lot to be scared of except for Milik Neighbors, who

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Speaker 2: is sensational. And as it turns out, we were on

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Speaker 2: that one. He is sensational. But this was this was

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Speaker 2: a go down to the stadium, honor the voice, Honor

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Speaker 2: Phil Dawson, recover a kick, a fumble on a kick,

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Speaker 2: score on your first play, have an interception, and let's

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Speaker 2: blow these guys out and everybody's happy on the lake.

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Speaker 2: And it just went all sorts of bad. And it

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Speaker 2: was you know, the NFL is a momentum game. Obviously

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Speaker 2: any sport is, but that that interception by Rocket Hickman,

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Speaker 2: when you're up seven to nothing in your own end

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Speaker 2: and you're not ready to go up, you feel like, boy,

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Speaker 2: let's go up fourteen to ten at worst, up to scores.

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Speaker 2: They're chasing us is a winning team, They're not, no,

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Speaker 2: and they'd be chasing. They would have been like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is not going to be our day. And instead

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Speaker 2: that flips and then a billion other things that could

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Speaker 2: go wrong did, including an injury report that is defcon one.

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Speaker 2: Quite honestly, with the amount of injuries that occurred in

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Speaker 2: the game yesterday front row seat, it was still stupefying

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Speaker 2: to watch. And even despite it, all three instances in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter with the ball down just six, go

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Speaker 2: win the game, go steal it. You had three opportunities

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Speaker 2: to go steal it in the fourth.

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Speaker 3: In many ways.

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Speaker 4: And I think at some point I said in the

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Speaker 4: uh in the booth, I said, I imagine a Giants

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Speaker 4: fan watching this game in the fourth quarter was like

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Speaker 4: a Browns fan circa twenty sixteen, being like, I've seen

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Speaker 4: this script. We could have put this game away. We

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Speaker 4: had this game, and now we're going to give it

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Speaker 4: away at the very end, and in many ways they

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Speaker 4: tried to do that and the Browns were unable to

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Speaker 4: capitalize on it for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 3: This is.

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Speaker 4: I've had time to sleep on it, think about it.

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Speaker 4: This game feels to me as disappointing a loss as

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Speaker 4: I can remember in the last few years. And the

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Speaker 4: only one that I could think of that was close

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Speaker 4: to this was the Jets game in Week two of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, where you blew what was an unblowable

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Speaker 4: lead late in the game to believe it or not,

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Speaker 4: Joe Flacco and the Jets when they came back from

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Speaker 4: down thirteen with less than twos and which had not

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Speaker 4: happened in twenty thousand games.

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Speaker 3: This one has that feel.

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Speaker 4: It's home, it's a bad football team, yep, and you

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Speaker 4: basically it was this. If I said to you, the

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Speaker 4: Browns get to start this game seven to nothing, yep,

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Speaker 4: they just get golf handicap.

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Speaker 2: Yep, there's no way they're going to lose it. Thirteen

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Speaker 2: and a half points is the number.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's basically what it was.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: You're basically were a thirteen and a half point favorite

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Speaker 4: seven nothing. It was it's it's hugely disappointing. I think

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Speaker 4: it is a unfortunately, a colossal failure and many many regards.

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Speaker 4: You know, had Dustin Hopkins made his field goal, you'd

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Speaker 4: say special teams was actually pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It's fifty six.

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Speaker 3: It was fifty, yeah, fifty four, fifty five somewhere in there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I had been ten for ten yas

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Speaker 4: he's a due to miss one from fifty plus. But

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Speaker 4: I mean, you force the fumble. So the second straight week,

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Speaker 4: I thought they did a good job. And you know,

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Speaker 4: for the most part, in coverage, Borkaz was excellent and

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Speaker 4: unfortunately way too busy in this game. But defensively, a

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Speaker 4: lot of a lot of issues. Offensively a ton and

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Speaker 4: we're going to go through all of those. But this

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Speaker 4: is the stat that was maybe the most disheartening to

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Speaker 4: me of any to come out of this game. The

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Speaker 4: New York Giants had two touchdown drives of thirteen or

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Speaker 4: more plays and eighty or more total yards in the

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Speaker 4: first half of Week three against the Browns. This is

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Speaker 4: the first Giants game with two plus such drives two

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Speaker 4: or more since Week twelve of twenty fourteen. The Giants

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Speaker 4: had one such touchdown drive in the entirety of the

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three season. The Browns had not allowed just

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Speaker 4: one such touchdown drive at home since twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 4: and to have it happened twice in the first half

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Speaker 4: is nuts. This is the first time in Daniel Jones's

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Speaker 4: career with consecutive games of multiple passing touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: And zero giveaways, first time in his career.

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Speaker 4: We talked about going into this thing Malik Neighbors, and

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Speaker 4: we talked about what basically my thought was, and I

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Speaker 4: think we all kind of came to an ultimate agreement

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Speaker 4: on that was that Malik Neighbors. We cannot let Malik

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Speaker 4: Neighbors beat us. And you go into the second quarter

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Speaker 4: and you look at their touchdown drives and you go

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Speaker 4: through it, and you say to yourself, Okay, here we

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Speaker 4: are third and five at the Giants forty three, Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones passed right to Milik Neighbors for fourteen yards, second

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Speaker 4: and eight deep, left to Milik Neighbors for twenty eight yards.

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Speaker 3: Third and three.

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Speaker 4: At a third down, Daniel Jones Milik Neighbors touchdown. And

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Speaker 4: then you go to their next drive, and it was

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Speaker 4: more of the same. It was more of just Milik Neighbors,

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Speaker 4: Milik Neighbors, Milik Neighbors. When you couldn't have Milik Neighbors

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Speaker 4: making plays for you against you, That's what he did,

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Speaker 4: including the touchdown. He had a twelve yarder on first

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Speaker 4: and ten and then he had the touchdown. We were slow.

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Speaker 4: I think in this game of things defensively one, we

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Speaker 4: said it all along. I know it's not in our DNA.

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Speaker 4: We're not a team that's going to do a lot

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Speaker 4: of doubling or bracketing for whatever reason, and it's been

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Speaker 4: we've been a successful defense. But I thought we saw

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Speaker 4: it kind of in a one trick pony game against

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Speaker 4: the Houston Texans and the playoffs last year when it

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Speaker 4: felt like, you know, there was no Tank Dell at

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Speaker 4: that time, there was no Steffan Diggs. Maybe we should

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Speaker 4: go after and just say, you know what, Nico Collins

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Speaker 4: isn't gonna beat us. Well, Nico Collins had a monster

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Speaker 4: game and in this one, you know what, Lage Neighbors

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Speaker 4: isn't going to beat us. Well, Lage Neighbors did beat us.

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Speaker 4: So I think there's there's something to that that we've

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Speaker 4: got to do a better job of as a defense.

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Speaker 4: We did not get off the field on third downs

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Speaker 4: early in this game. Now at the end of the game,

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Speaker 4: it's gonna look great. Four fourteen second half they fixed it.

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Speaker 4: Denzel followed neighbors pretty much everywhere he went, played great

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Speaker 4: against him. Allowed one catch for eight yards on four targets.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else allowed six catches on eight targets for I

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Speaker 4: think seventy something yards and a touchdown, and MJ had

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Speaker 4: a He was a tough matchup f m J.

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Speaker 3: His quickness was.

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Speaker 4: Difficult for m J Emerson in one on one situations

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Speaker 4: and probably should add a pick on one that turns

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Speaker 4: out to be the catchover.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Cat On, he's a great player. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was a great Here's the deal. Though you only gave

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Speaker 2: up twenty one, you should be able to score twenty two,

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Speaker 2: score twenty four. You should be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: And so the defensive second half, the way the defense

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Speaker 2: played in the second half gave you a chance to

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Speaker 2: win this football game. And you had opportunity, opportunity, opportunity

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Speaker 2: dot though of course not but it did. This defense

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Speaker 2: has carried this team a year ago. I agree with

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Speaker 2: every the thing on neighbors. Obviously, we talked about that

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Speaker 2: at all last week. But you're down twenty one to

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Speaker 2: seven at half. You should be able to get three scores, Listen.

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Speaker 4: I mean Manders the week before scored twenty one points

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Speaker 4: against the Giants without scoring a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Right, And the week before that they give up twenty

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Speaker 2: eight to Minnesota. So like who turns out might be

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Speaker 2: pretty good maybe, and Darnold looks really good. They have

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Speaker 2: a nice operation there. We bludgeoned them when we had

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Speaker 2: them in preseason? How's that going for us? But you

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Speaker 2: should be able to when you have three opportunities in

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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter to get into and make it threatening.

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Speaker 2: And we couldn't even make it threatening. Of course we

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Speaker 2: bogged down around midfield and it's done. And it's like,

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Speaker 2: what is why can defend in the red zone? We

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Speaker 2: never make them defend in the red zone one time

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter in those three that's impossible. Well

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Speaker 2: they happened, So like there are let me just ask

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Speaker 2: they're the Milik neighbor. It's really the only thing. It's this,

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Speaker 2: It's neighbors. I mean, that was it. Everything else was

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Speaker 2: they screened us to death. I did think of they

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Speaker 2: as well, because we come hard and then they.

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Speaker 3: They beat us into the flats and with screens.

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Speaker 4: The first half was either melik neighbors or it was

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Speaker 4: a green dump off to Singletary or to the other

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Speaker 4: running back Tracy right.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's all they do, the whole offensive operation and you

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Speaker 2: make a second again twenty one. It's not ideal, but

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Speaker 2: you should be able to score enough to win an

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Speaker 2: ugly game.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: What do we do well offensively?

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Speaker 3: Nothing right now?

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Speaker 4: And that's the problem. We don't have anything to hang

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Speaker 4: our hat on. We do not have an identity as

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Speaker 4: an offense. Our offensive line take out forget. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 4: the patchwork line at the end of the game was

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Speaker 4: better than the starting line, so.

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Speaker 2: To say, I thought the best it was we had

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Speaker 2: Potonio left tackle, you had Ziner was zenter it right.

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Speaker 2: Z One was not going to go back in in

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Speaker 2: the second hal but he had to because Hudson went.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't move.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't move.

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Speaker 4: I know there are a lot of people out there saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do.

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Speaker 3: That asked me, is he can't move?

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Speaker 2: He got ding last week at the end of practice

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Speaker 2: he was not going to go in the second half

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Speaker 2: based on and I was right behind our bench. I

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Speaker 2: have nothing. You guys maybe have official I see no

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Speaker 2: scenario where they plan on him playing in the second

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Speaker 2: half of his physicality. But then Rodney goes down, Jed

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Speaker 2: goes down. There's nobody left. Zenter's in there at guard.

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Speaker 2: Harris is playing center, Postic is playing left guard.

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Speaker 3: Like Nick Harris was great. Nick center was good.

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Speaker 2: Like that last group was the best we looked offensive

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line the whole game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the interior maybe a year.

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Speaker 4: Quite honestly, Whyatt has played well and obviously he's going

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Speaker 4: to be out a few weeks, so that's a problems.

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Speaker 3: Interrol step in there.

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Speaker 6: I thought.

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Speaker 4: Nick Harris looked to me like he should probably be

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Speaker 4: I think Bill Callahan, when you are the best offensive

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Speaker 3: He is not. But he's taken a beating.

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Speaker 4: He's been very tough, and it's hard to understand where

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Speaker 4: this offense is going to get better. We're not great

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Speaker 3: In the New York Giants.

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Speaker 4: It's just not good. It's it's bad football. And right

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Speaker 4: This is a team that's been assembled to Convlindo hoist

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Speaker 2: You saw when he came off, he came he was

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Speaker 3: Was on a field goal.

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Speaker 8: This sucks.

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Speaker 4: Sucks, no, And he's been honestly, he's been the Browns'

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Speaker 2: Look, you can't you could have dictated the style of

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Speaker 2: I don't have the first half rushing attempts. We ended

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Speaker 4: We had five rushes by running backs and a quarterback

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Speaker 2: So conversely, and this is a team that has more

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Speaker 2: Despite getting down fourteen to nothing, Kyron Williams ran twenty

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Speaker 2: You've got to find a way, and the Rams found

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Speaker 2: You had a chance to beat him, You could have

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Speaker 2: stolen a victory. It was there for you. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: had to make a couple of plays. And it's up front.

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Speaker 2: a Handoff's a handoff, for God's sakes, and you fumble

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Speaker 2: It's it. And so it's a complete failure. I think

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Speaker 2: How where do you start? I don't know where. It's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's as I said, this is massively disappointing. And

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Speaker 4: je You have no business losing this game, and yet

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Speaker 3: Those used to be everybody six seven, eight a week.

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Speaker 2: The league's a little drunk right now. Okay, there's a

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Speaker 2: It was there to steal a win against a bad team. Yes,

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Speaker 4: That's why it's so frustrating, is that despite thing, it

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Speaker 3: This was a terrible, terrible loss.

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Speaker 2: Well where was it when Bailey Zappi came in here

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Speaker 3: Was that twenty one?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was on the call. We're going Miles

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Speaker 2: What are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Jeff Phelps was on the call that day, Gibbet, and

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Speaker 2: He was like, what is going on? How are these

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Speaker 4: Like it's just yeah, Well twenty one did not go well.

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Speaker 3: It's just one winter's early. It's just it's one that you.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody listen, there were some insane if

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Speaker 2: Ud the scores are in a body, beg.

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Speaker 3: Scores are in a body.

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Speaker 2: They're in a body. Beg.

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Speaker 4: I have a chance if I can get the I

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Speaker 3: But the.

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Speaker 2: Body, beg, I've never started I've never had a week

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Speaker 3: I did say tramp game, remember it, you did?

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Speaker 2: But like you didn't think he thought this is crazy.

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Speaker 4: I was talking about if bo Nix was eligible to

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Speaker 4: I still took Denver anyway. But that was that was

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Speaker 2: Right, that's it. But instead beatings, not beatings, no beatings, beatdowns.

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Speaker 2: Forty nine ers or one in two. Dallas hasn't won

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Speaker 9: Injury front, I don't have all the updates just yet,

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Speaker 9: still working through some things. I can tell you Whyite

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Speaker 9: Teller has a knee injury. He'll miss multiple weeks, but

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Speaker 9: I don't have the full extent just yet. Miles Garrett

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Speaker 9: with his foot injury is day to day, and like

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Speaker 9: I mentioned on all those other ones, I'll up when

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Speaker 9: we get those all the information. Obviously frustrated, disappointed as

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Speaker 9: you watch the tape. Just I think they are missed opportunities,

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Speaker 9: certain things that we just have to have to do

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Speaker 9: in order to win in this league, and we didn't

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Speaker 9: do them. So disappointed. We'll learn from it and then

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Speaker 9: we'll quickly move on with that. I'll take any questions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Kevin, I want to ask you about the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: If I've done the math right, I think it's sixteen

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Speaker 5: sacks and forty two QB hits through three games. Just

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Speaker 5: from your perspective, setting aside the injury situation, what is

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Speaker 5: going up or going on? I should say up front

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Speaker 5: with the protection issues.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, obviously that's disappointing. You know, we have to be

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Speaker 9: better there and we will be better defensively.

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Speaker 5: How did you like how they responded in the second

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Speaker 5: half even with you know, Miles being hobbled, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I realize people are dealing with injuries, but you know

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Speaker 5: that can't be easy when your best player isn't able

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Speaker 5: to give you a hundred percent of the place.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought, you know, the team battled yesterday. Certainly

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Speaker 9: the defense we played well there in that second half.

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Speaker 9: We have a high, high standard ultimately and we want

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Speaker 9: to play better, but the guys definitely were battling out there.

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Speaker 10: Two things, Kevin. Number one is, even before the injuries

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Speaker 10: hit the offensive line, your game plan did not involve

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Speaker 10: the jumbo formations that you used in Jacksonville. Was that

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Speaker 10: because of the opponent, the game plan, or was it

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Speaker 10: because of the circumstances where you thought you might be fine.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think all the above, Tony. I think when

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Speaker 9: you go into game plans, you're trying to look at

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Speaker 9: things that give you an advantage, maybe attack certain things

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Speaker 9: that they do. Maybe defensively, just with the health of

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Speaker 9: some of our offensive line, probably wasn't possible to get

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Speaker 9: some of those guys in those roles, But doesn't mean

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Speaker 9: that there's plenty of things that we can do better.

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Speaker 11: Certainly, Hey, Kevin, yesterday when we talked to Deshan, he

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Speaker 11: mentioned something in the effect of them maybe switching things

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Speaker 11: up with the blitzes, Like what was there different looks

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Speaker 11: that you guys maybe weren't expecting, or what was going

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Speaker 11: on there with what the Giants threw at you.

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Speaker 9: I think early in the season, you know, we're only

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Speaker 9: three games yesterday into these things, So breaking tendencies is

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Speaker 9: a big part of as you get to know offenses

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Speaker 9: and defenses when you're game planning. So they definitely pressured

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Speaker 9: more than they had in the first couple, but that

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Speaker 9: was pretty apparent early that that was their game plan.

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Speaker 9: So you're always trying to figure out in these games

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Speaker 9: what teams are going to lean into, whether it's to

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Speaker 9: be more coverage, more pressure, whatever it may be. There's looks,

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Speaker 9: looks that you often see that you don't game plan for,

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Speaker 9: especially early in the season, and then you just have

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Speaker 9: to make the adjustment in game.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Kevin, what did you see on the fourth and

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Speaker 11: one after Jamie's got stuffed on third and one?

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Speaker 6: What did you see on that fourth and one play?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we try to play. We tried earlier in the game. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: you know there's we can be better. But I know

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Speaker 9: it's very easy for all of us to say, hey

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Speaker 9: throw it here. You know, this is a that's a

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Speaker 9: tough job that those guys have. And I thought that

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Speaker 9: Shawn made a bunch of plays for us, was putting

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Speaker 9: us in position to try and go make a play

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Speaker 9: to win the game. So, uh, there's gonna be plays

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Speaker 9: that he wants back. I know there's plays I want back.

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Speaker 9: But I think it's really easy to to play that

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Speaker 9: game of you know, could have done this, would have

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Speaker 9: done that.

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Speaker 2: We just we all have to have to be better. Keevin.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to ask you about that roughing call when

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Speaker 6: you watch it on as a two pike question when

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Speaker 6: you watch it on tape, was it the right call?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it was. Uh, And we have to

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Speaker 9: be better there. Greg knows that you can't go up

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Speaker 9: near the quarterbacks head and neck area. We got to

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Speaker 9: stay in that strike zone. Uh, that's a that's a

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Speaker 9: tough play because that's as you guys know, that's a

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Speaker 9: turnover right there. So we will be better. And again,

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Speaker 9: not a lack of effort at all, But I did

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Speaker 9: think that was a rough and call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is a roughing call. It's when

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Speaker 2: you are a team that's struggling with the things that

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Speaker 2: we're struggling with, you can't have the mental lapses as well.

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Speaker 2: So that's a fumble in the fourth quarter on a handoff.

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Speaker 2: That's a roughing on a play where the ball has

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Speaker 2: long been delivered and there's no reason of your hands

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Speaker 2: near his face or his helmet or anything. So you

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Speaker 2: when things aren't going well, you got to do the

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Speaker 2: little things right. And we're not doing any of that right. No,

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Speaker 2: And I usually we're a mess.

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Speaker 4: And I know people are giving the defense a lot

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Speaker 4: of grief for their celebration after that. Look that was

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Speaker 4: actually this was a great call by Jim Schwartz. You

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Speaker 4: look like here in man, you give the blitz. And

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Speaker 4: the truth is, the ball was out. There was absolutely

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Speaker 4: no reason no Greg to even be up near his head.

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Speaker 2: Pull up, just pull up.

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Speaker 4: You don't even have to stare or just gone or done,

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Speaker 4: or just go hit them in the push them in

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Speaker 4: the chest. But there's when the ball is being thrown.

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Speaker 4: Greg is not even making a play on the ball

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Speaker 4: with his hands at all, and then he comes up.

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Speaker 3: Now could it have been?

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Speaker 4: I think, is there a world in which, you know,

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Speaker 4: they talk about it upstairs and they watch the replay

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Speaker 4: and they say, you know what, this wasn't a forcible blow.

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Speaker 3: To the head.

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Speaker 4: This was certainly not roughing the passer, and they they

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Speaker 4: let it go. Yes, there is a world where they

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Speaker 4: did they do it? No, And then this team did

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Speaker 4: not get off the field and allowed them to walk

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Speaker 4: down the field and score a touchdown on them.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 4: It's so many little things, unfortunately, have become.

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Speaker 3: What I would say, big things, right, and.

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Speaker 2: Say that to the kids all the time. The little

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Speaker 2: things become big things. They don't on a on a

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Speaker 2: one off is a roughing the passer a big deal? No,

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Speaker 2: but if it's part of a thousand things that are

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Speaker 2: all little that you're failing at.

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Speaker 3: It's death by a thousand cuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to post to you the same question I

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Speaker 2: posed to Z. What do we do well?

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Speaker 8: We do a offense that's not fun to watch. Is

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Speaker 8: that a good answer? That's something we do well. If

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Speaker 8: that's what we're looking for, we ace it.

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Speaker 2: What what you're you're the hoff you got a gold jacket.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing?

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Speaker 8: Man?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think when I look at Deshaun Watson, right, he's

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Speaker 8: a guy that likes to make plays outside the pocket,

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Speaker 8: outside the framework of the offense. And I think, really

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Speaker 8: the best thing that you can pair with a quarterback

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Speaker 8: like that is a good running game. And unfortunately we

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Speaker 8: just haven't been running the ball very well. And I know,

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Speaker 8: you know, part of that's not having Nick Chubb there,

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Speaker 8: But we could run the ball pretty well last year

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Speaker 8: when Nick Chubb was out, and so I think just

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Speaker 8: finding a way to get back to being a team

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Speaker 8: that can run the ball consistently. Especially, you know, everybody

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Speaker 8: in the NFL right now is talking all about all

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Speaker 8: these two high defenses and how everybody's taking away the

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Speaker 8: past game, and it's and you know, let's get back

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Speaker 8: to running the football. You know, Kevin Savanski knows how

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Speaker 8: to dial up the outside zone. He knows how to

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Speaker 8: call it. You knows how to coach it up and

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Speaker 8: detail it up, put you in right personnel groupings and

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Speaker 8: formations to execute it. So let's commit to the run

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Speaker 8: a little bit and not put so much on this

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Speaker 8: Shawn Watson winning the game with his arm, HUF.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you about, you know, we've talked

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Speaker 4: about one of the things that we've always been able

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Speaker 4: to count on. We mentioned the running game obviously, and

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Speaker 4: hopefull when Nick Chubb comes back you're able to do

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Speaker 4: that at a higher level. But one thing we've really

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Speaker 4: been able to count on is that this offensive line

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Speaker 4: was going to provide ample time for the quarterback to

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Speaker 4: make plays. And I'm not saying that Deshaun has been great,

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Speaker 4: he certainly has not been. But is that are happening

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Speaker 4: every single game that clearly are sticking out like a

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Speaker 4: sore thumb on tape because the Giants came into this

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Speaker 4: game running very few blitzes and very few stunts and twists,

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Speaker 4: and they saw our inability to handle either of those things,

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Speaker 4: and they blitzed us over fifty percent of the time, and

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Speaker 4: they were running twists and scents all over the place.

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Speaker 4: My question to you is that let's's break it down

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Speaker 4: one of those two pieces at time. Let's start with

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Speaker 4: the twists, and the stunts, it feels like our ability

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Speaker 4: to pass those on and communicate is gone. Do you

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Speaker 4: get a free runner basically every time you run a

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Speaker 4: twist for a scunt? Why is that happening? I mean,

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Speaker 4: and it's oftentimes with the guys who have been playing

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Speaker 4: together the interior of our lines played together quite a bit.

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Speaker 4: Post's having a real tough time with that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. So typically when you're getting beat with stunts and twists,

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Speaker 8: it's because you're not seeing the big picture right. You're

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Speaker 8: maybe locked in on the guy or you're facing that's

655
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 8: across from you, and so you're not taking a set

656
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 8: to be able to handle the stunt and the guy

657
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 8: that you got to block one on one potentially in

658
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 8: front of you. So typically in the inside that means

659
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 8: cards being aggressive, center being a little bit more aggressive

660
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 8: tackles setting off, but being square being vertical so that

661
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 8: when they do run those stunts and twists, the guards

662
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 8: are able to punch and snap and then the tackle

663
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 8: can dive his head back to the inside if it's

664
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 8: a te type stunt, where you can get his head

665
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 8: inside and he can force the exchange between him and

666
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 8: the guard. And that's the same thing that would happen

667
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 8: between the guards and the centers. But I think which

668
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 8: you have is if you don't have a quarterback that's

669
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 8: getting rid of the ball quickly, they're just going to

670
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 8: keep blitzing you because they know they're going to be

671
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 8: able to get home, and they're gonna just keep stunting

672
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 8: and twisting because that naturally constricts the pocket. A sun

673
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 8: to twist doesn't get there quickly. It's pretty rare you

674
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 8: have a guy that's just scott free that you just

675
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 8: miss in a stunt. But what it does is it

676
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 8: constricts the pocket. It squeezes the space that the quarterback

677
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 8: has to operate back there. And eventually, if you're saying, okay,

678
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 8: do I want to get there for sure, but it's

679
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 8: gonna take me a little bit longer, like then you

680
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 8: say yes, start at the airport. If you're a defense

681
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 8: and you're saying, hey, we want to get there for sure,

682
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 8: but it's gonna take us a little bit more time.

683
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 8: We're going to stunt and blitz because that is definitely

684
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 8: going to get you in the backfield put a bit

685
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 8: longer than if you just rushing straight. And so I

686
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 8: think it comes down to giving the quarterback stuff he's

687
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 8: comfortable with to be able to get rid of the

688
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 8: ball quickly when they are blitzing, and when they are

689
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 8: bringing more than maybe we can block, or when we're

690
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 8: bringing they're bringing six and we got to add our

691
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 8: running back. That's also something else that's going to constrict

692
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 8: the ball. But getting rid of the football quickly, having

693
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 8: quick answers, I think those are all really important because

694
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 8: you saw, Hey, the Giants, they're not a team that

695
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 8: likes the blitz, but they're just like every every NFL

696
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 8: defense that if they feel like they can get home

697
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 8: because the quarterbacks either hanging out of the ball or

698
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 8: the offensive line is not properly picking up and assigning

699
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 8: the protection to the right people, they're gonna blitz pretty

700
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 8: much every play because that's what's going to work against Huff.

701
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: We finished the game with Joel playing left tackle, Ethan

702
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: at left guard, Nick Harris at center, Zack Zenner the

703
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: rookie at right guard, and Dwan Jones, who was not

704
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: expected to play in the second half he got dunk

705
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: dinged up and was not right playing right tackle. Teller

706
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Will's Conklin Hudson either all went down game or didn't

707
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: suit up to begin with, if this is our offensive

708
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: line situation as we go to this week and in

709
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: the near term, what is the smartest play for this

710
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: to be passable over the next couple of weeks. What

711
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: would you do with this, with this injury list that

712
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 2: we have here in this offensive line that we have.

713
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 8: Cryogenic freezing and get them back quicker? I don't know, no,

714
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 8: I mean outside of getting are you available?

715
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 6: Yeah?

716
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: Right, are you available? I know you're flying to Europe?

717
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: Can we redirect you half? We got to keep it

718
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: in the States. You're a treasure, You're an American.

719
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 8: Here we be back on Sunday. Don't worry.

720
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm just doing a little quick oh in Vegas, moving.

721
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 8: Out of the apartment. No, no, no, no, quick visit to Munich,

722
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 8: moving out of the apartment, October Fest and then I

723
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 8: can fly right from Munich to Vegas. But after seeing

724
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 8: me walk through the airport and get out of a

725
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 8: chair here, we just took about thirty seconds. I'm not

726
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 8: sure I'm the right answer. I tackle right now, but no,

727
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 8: I think the answer when you have a quarterback that

728
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 8: maybe doesn't feel completely comfortable and throwing the ball on time,

729
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 8: and you got an offensive line that's banged up. The

730
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 8: answer is you go back to the running game, right

731
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 8: You put extra offensive linemen in the game, you put

732
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 8: two tight ends in the game, you put a fullback

733
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 8: in there. Maybe you can put Nick Harrison there for

734
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 8: a little bit bigger of a role with the package

735
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 8: where he's in the backfield, and you just say, hey,

736
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 8: we're going to go back and play smash mout football.

737
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 8: We'll have the opportunities to throw the ball on the field.

738
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 8: I know we got some good pass catchers that want opportunities,

739
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 8: and so you're still going to give them those opportunities

740
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 8: in the play action game, and you know they're still

741
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 8: going to be third down and long where you're going

742
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 8: to get in the gun and you're going to throw

743
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 8: the ball. But I think going back to just trying

744
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 8: to run the football and winning that way, just being

745
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 8: a physical, smash mouse team on offense, I think is

746
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 8: the best situation right now when you're dealing with the

747
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 8: type of injuries and the confidence issues that we're having

748
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 8: right now on offense.

749
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: When you go into an offensive line meeting room, you've

750
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: been in one many many, many, many many times. What

751
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 4: what are the conversations that are had to try and

752
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: get it better. And if whether it's you know, you're

753
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: struggling in pastoral, But it's not like we're creating a

754
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: lot of yards before contacting the ground game either. So

755
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 4: we've got to figure out a way to do something

756
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 4: effectively offensively. What goes into this, what are people talking

757
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: about and how do you get out of it?

758
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 8: Well, I really believe this is especially now that I've

759
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 8: got a lengthy coaching career of one year in Europe

760
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 8: and now this is my second year of coaching eight

761
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 8: year olds like football. But I really believe no matter

762
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 8: what you're coaching, whether it's football, handball, pickleball, or flag

763
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 8: football and eight year olds, you're gonna get what you emphasize.

764
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 8: But you can't emphasize everything. You can't just say we're

765
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 8: gonna work on everything. You got to say, hey, this

766
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 8: is what we're gonna be, this is our identity, this

767
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 8: is what we want everybody to focus on. Because if

768
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 8: you get all the minds thinking the same thing, you're

769
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 8: gonna get better at that thing. I don't care the

770
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 8: talent level of your team. And so if Kevin comes

771
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 8: in at the beginning of the week and says, hey, guys,

772
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 8: we're focusing on the run game. We're gonna practice it more,

773
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 8: we're gonna talk about it more in meetings, we're gonna

774
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 8: run it more on Sundays. You're gonna get better performance.

775
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 8: And then because of that, if he's thinking going into

776
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 8: the game, hey, we're gonna run the ball forty times,

777
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 8: we're gonna have a bigger package of personnel groupings in

778
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 8: different ways to run the same runs. And I think

779
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 8: when you do that, then you're gonna get better at

780
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 8: and then you're gonna have an opportunity to see, hey,

781
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 8: can we be a team that is a little bit

782
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 8: more smashing off. I mean, look at Pittsburgh. They're not

783
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 8: exactly a offerensive juggernaut right now, but they're winning football

784
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 8: games because they've got a good defense. They got TJ. Watt,

785
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 8: they can rush the passer when it's close and the

786
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 8: other team has the ball in the fourth quarter, you're

787
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 8: trying to go and score a touchdown the win, just

788
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 8: like we got Miles Garrett. So I think it's a

789
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 8: formula that can work for right now, especially with your

790
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 8: tackles banged up the way they are. I mean, you're

791
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 8: not gonna win a ton of games throwing a bunch

792
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 8: of passes when you got Joel Patonio playing tackle as

793
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 8: good as he is as a tackle, but when you're

794
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 8: moving your backle and your other tackles already banged up, like,

795
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 8: it's just not a formula for a lot of success,

796
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 8: especially when you have a quarterback that does hang on

797
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 8: to it a lot longer than most typical pocket passing quarterbacks.

798
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we have some issues with some of

799
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: the depth of our drops as well. We're doing seven

800
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: yard dren and I don't know that there's any way

801
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 4: if teams are trying to come around the edge that

802
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 4: doesn't tackle, you have any chance to prevent them from

803
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: getting around that edge when they're just have basically are

804
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: going straight up the field. So I think that's some

805
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: stuff of that. Yeah, definitely needs to be cleaned up.

806
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: Here's the thing though, right, and this is kind of

807
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: the the real question, not just for the twenty twenty

808
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: four cleveld runs a big picture, right, is what we're

809
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 4: all kind of talking about is let's just run the ball,

810
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: play good defense, manage it, and you know, hopefully we

811
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: can make a couple of plays in the pass game.

812
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: We're paying Skuy two hundred thirty million dollars.

813
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 4: We traded three first round picks like this is Ken

814
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: Dorsey was brought in here, Jerry Judy was traded for

815
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: all of these resources. The second round pick becomes Elijah

816
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 4: Moore and Cedric Tillman. Because we're supposed to be a

817
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 4: modern throwing team and if we're not that and right

818
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 4: now without Nick Chubb, I don't care. We're not going

819
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 4: to be good enough to just be a smash mouth

820
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 4: running team.

821
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: What are we?

822
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: And I think everything has been done this sauscin. It's

823
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 4: only three games. But if it does not at some

824
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: point click and you really get this thing rolling as

825
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 4: a passing offense, then we're in a much much more

826
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: situation than we are just talking about being one and

827
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: two coming off of an embarrassing and very disappointing loss

828
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 4: to the Giants at home.

829
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 8: H Yes, absolutely two things. One I want to talk

830
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 8: about quarterback dep I wish we were in person so

831
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 8: I could jump right on that one. But you know, Deshaun,

832
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 8: he's one of those quarterbacks that he likes playing in

833
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 8: the gun and he likes dropping back so you can

834
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 8: see and he has opportunities to escape the pocket when

835
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 8: you're a little bit deeper. That's great, that's no problem.

836
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 8: But he just needs to step up when he hitches. Right,

837
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 8: If you hit your back foot and you throw the

838
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 8: ball to your first read.

839
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 6: No problem.

840
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 8: But if you hitch when you're in the pocket and

841
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 8: your backfoot's at nine and a half ten yards, even

842
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 8: good tackles are going to have trouble. And like a

843
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 8: few times that DeShawn, sorry, Dewan Jones got beat around

844
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 8: the edge, it was because DeShawn wasn't stepping up right.

845
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 8: And Dewan's a big guy, but he's not hurt the

846
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 8: quickest tackle ever, right, But I'm just talking about it

847
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 8: from last weekend. So if Deshaun, I think, just from

848
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: a coaching emphasis, hey, when you hit your back foot,

849
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 8: you just got to step up into the pocket, right,

850
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 8: because otherwise you have a crisis of confidence on the

851
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 8: whole line. They don't know where a quarterback is going

852
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 8: to be. They don't know how deep he is, Like

853
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 8: he's deeper than he's supposed to be. Now they're backing up.

854
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 8: Now they're where he is instead of where he's supposed

855
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 8: to be. And so now the pocket is collapsing much

856
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 8: quicker than you expect or it should. And then now

857
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 8: the teams on defense are going, hey, let's run stunts

858
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 8: because we know that we can collapse the pocket even further.

859
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 8: Let's split them because we know they're pushing the pocket

860
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 8: further and back and further back. And then now Deshaun

861
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 8: doesn't have any space to try to escape when he

862
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 8: wants to, which we all know he's at his best

863
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 8: when he's escaping. He's outside the pocket and he's making things.

864
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 8: Happened to the other point, which I almost forgot for

865
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 8: a second, it was about our offense, and what we're

866
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 8: going to say.

867
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: Is, in general, the whole point of everything has been

868
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: to become a casting offense, not to be like, let's

869
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: hide our quarterback and run the ball. We've done that

870
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 4: before at various times in other seasons prior to Deshaun

871
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: Watson coming here, and it has not been a formula for.

872
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: This.

873
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: Seems like I said, this is a team that's supposed

874
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: to be competing for an AFC North title in a

875
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: Super Bowl title. Those teams that we're talking about are

876
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: teams that we try to like, Okay, let's try to

877
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 4: go nine and eight, ten and seven, sneak in and

878
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 4: then have no chance to actually do anything in the postseason.

879
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: That's not what this is supposed to exactly.

880
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, I completely agree. What I'll say though, is

881
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 8: no matter what we want to be, no matter what

882
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 8: we did to get to this position, no matter what

883
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 8: we think we should be, this is who we are.

884
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 8: And we have to be realistic about the team we

885
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 8: have and the situation we're in right now. And the

886
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 8: situation we're in is we've got a quarterback that hasn't

887
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 8: played a lot of football in the last few years.

888
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 8: He's coming off of significant shoulder surgery to his throwing arm,

889
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 8: probably got a little bit of confidence issues when he's

890
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 8: throwing the ball when he's out there. And so you

891
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 8: coach the game and you set up a game plan

892
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 8: for who you are, right me, what Belichick always did

893
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 8: the best because there was very little ego involved in like, Hey,

894
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 8: this is who the who we are. I don't care

895
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 8: who we think we're supposed to be or how much

896
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 8: we paid these guys are that guy like, We're going

897
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 8: to put the best team out there on Sunday for

898
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 8: this Sunday, not for five Sundays from now or ten

899
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 8: sundays from now. And I think the most important thing

900
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 8: right now is how do we win this game this

901
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 8: weekend and then continue to build confidence with DeShawn because

902
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 8: two weeks ago he played good football. Last week not

903
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 8: great football. But if we can be truthful to ourselves,

904
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 8: look in the mirror and be honest about who we

905
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 8: are right now and say, hey, you know what, We're

906
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 8: not going to win the ball, win the Super Bowl

907
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 8: being ground and pound, but we can win some games

908
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 8: right now. As we're building confidence back in Deshawn's arm,

909
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 8: as he's starting to be a little bit more confident

910
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 8: in Ken Dorsey's offense, as we're getting some of those

911
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 8: tackles and some of those offensive linemen back to being healthy,

912
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: and I think you just want to try to win

913
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 8: the game right now and then figure, Okay, yes we

914
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 8: do need to be a dynamics throwing team down the line,

915
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 8: because we feel like we can win the AFC North

916
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 8: and we could potentially for Bowl, but that's not who

917
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 8: we are right now. So let's try to win right

918
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 8: now with the best way we can, and hopefully over

919
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 8: time we're able to develop into that down the field

920
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 8: passing team that we think we can be and that

921
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 8: you've seen at times. It's just not what we're best

922
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 8: at right now.

923
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: This isn't going to make anybody feel good, except for

924
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 2: Gibbe because he loves egetting about Pittsburgh. But honestly, off

925
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 2: you just described as what Pittsburgh's doing. That's what Pittsburgh's

926
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: doing with Fields. First time out, they beat Atlanta eighteen

927
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: to ten. Fields went seventeen to twenty three one fifty

928
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 2: six the qbrs thirty two point nine. But he didn't

929
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: turn it over. Next week they beat Denver thirteen to six.

930
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: He went thirteen to twenty for one to seventeen the QBOUR.

931
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: Yesterday they beat the Chargers twenty to ten. He went

932
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty two for two forty five through

933
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: his first pick on the year. Had a quarterback rating

934
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: of fifteen five point four. ARM mean, it's QBR fifty

935
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 2: five point four. They're slowly giving him a little bit more.

936
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: They beat two good teams in Denver, I mean, Atlanta's decent,

937
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: Atlanta and La is good, and they beat two about

938
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: Herbert was but they're three and zero and we just

939
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: lost to a bad team. Of course, so it's rather

940
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: be that what you'd rather be them what Hoff just

941
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: they've given up to.

942
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: Say how many points they've given up in each of

943
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 4: those games, ten six, ten, thank you?

944
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but we're turning the ball over to like

945
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 8: that's that's a big issue that I saw. I was like,

946
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 8: it's great to rely on a great defense, but if

947
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 8: you're putting your defense in really bad situations, you're not

948
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 8: sustaining drives because you don't have consistency throwing the ball

949
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 8: at a high completion percentage, you're not running the ball efficiently,

950
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 8: like your defense is constantly in bad positions, and so

951
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 8: they're going to give up some more points. Whereas if

952
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 8: your philosophy is a little bit more like the LA

953
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 8: Chargers or the Steelers right now, you're able to kind

954
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 8: of just methodically work yourself into the offense that you

955
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 8: want to be, and you don't put your defense in

956
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 8: bad positions so that then they can become the best

957
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 8: defense that they possibly can be, which is the number

958
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 8: one defense in the NFL, which is where they've been previously.

959
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 8: So I think those two things do kind of go

960
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 8: hand in hand, there's no doubt.

961
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: And I think what's happening as well is part of

962
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 4: it is to get a good ground game going into

963
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: play that physical cell. You also have to convert on

964
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: third downs, and we're awful on offense on third down,

965
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 4: you can you can't have a drive if you don't

966
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: get to keep the drive going, right. I mean, that's

967
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: as basic a stat as there is. Browns four of

968
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: fourteen again in this game on fourth third down, one

969
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: of three on fourth down. Just I mean, you look

970
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: at our possessions uf one play twenty four yards, touchdown

971
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 4: five play six yards, three plays negative fifteen yards, seven

972
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: plays thirty two, five plays negative five one plain negative

973
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 4: one that was the end of the half. Three plays

974
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: in negative two yards, seven plays for ten yards, nine

975
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: plays for twenty nine yards, five thirty nine, five for

976
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 4: forty nine touchdown five for thirty four or plays nine yards,

977
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: four plays six yards. I mean we turned it over

978
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 4: after the fumble. We were actually moving it got down

979
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: the Giants forty four. And then you have a fumble

980
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: on just a basic handoff, like what are what in

981
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 4: the world is that? And then you have the two drives.

982
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: You can't even get one first down when they're playing

983
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: pre event.

984
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: We are dead last in the NFL in in a

985
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: third down conversion the second drives. We are second to

986
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: last in the NFL. And penalties, well.

987
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: We were that's good, that's an improvement. We were last going.

988
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Into the only Baltimore has committed more penalties than us.

989
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 3: Good and there was also.

990
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that speaks a big picture about who we

991
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 8: are as an offense. We're not consistent. We don't have

992
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 8: rushing efficiency, which is over four yards of curry or

993
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 8: a first down. We're turning the ball over. We're sitting

994
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 8: in third, third and long most of the time because

995
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 8: we're not completing the ball at a high percentage, and

996
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 8: we're geting a lot of penalties and sacks. Like penalties

997
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 8: and sacks kill your drive because now you're sitting no

998
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 8: matter how good you are, defenses are gonna just play

999
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 8: second down. If you get a penalty or a sack

1000
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 8: on first down, they're gonna play secon down to let

1001
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 8: you get just a couple of yards. So then you're

1002
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 8: sitting at third and seven plus, which is not very

1003
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 8: manageable unless you've got Patrick Mahomes and that's not our

1004
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 8: quarterback right now. So we just need to be more

1005
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 8: efficient on first down, and we need to make sure

1006
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 8: that the coaching emphasis is all right. DeShawn if the

1007
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 8: first option is open and it's five yards, take it.

1008
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 8: We need to complete passes because we can't afford penalties

1009
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 8: or sacks or negative plays or incompletions on first down.

1010
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 8: Just can't have it.

1011
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: Uf big picture, I we know you had a run,

1012
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: you got to hit hit a plane to Zi Geminy,

1013
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: what do you make of what has happened this year

1014
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: in the league offensively? The slow starts around the league. Offensively,

1015
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 2: I mean like bow knicks, Jacoby Brissette and one other

1016
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: player have better QBR than Patrick Mahomes and they're three

1017
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: and oh, and that's the one that matters most. But like,

1018
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: we're just not seeing offensive football the way we're used to.

1019
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: What do you make of it?

1020
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 8: That's a good question. I'm totally sure because the last

1021
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 8: few years it's been like, well, we've never seen so

1022
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 8: much offense before NFL. And you know, really the big

1023
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 8: change over the last five to ten years has been

1024
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 8: training camps. Right, you're not playing guys in the preseason,

1025
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 8: you're not getting as many reps in training camp as

1026
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 8: you used to. But that wasn't different from last year.

1027
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 8: So honestly, it's it's tough to make sense of it.

1028
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 8: I really don't have a good answer. I know the

1029
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 8: talking heads on all the major numbers are saying, oh,

1030
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 8: it's because everybody's playing too high defense as well. It's

1031
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 8: not the too high shell here this year or something,

1032
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 8: you know. So I don't know. I mean, that's a

1033
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 8: great question, but I think you're going to see a

1034
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 8: reversion of the mean here shortly, because I mean it

1035
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 8: has been three weeks. And that's what's great about the

1036
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 8: NFL is we get to overreact after every week. But

1037
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 8: I would love to hear your thoughts. I'll hang up

1038
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 8: and listen because I got a board to plane.

1039
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: Safe flight. Yeah, enjoy yourself.

1040
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 8: I appreciate it.

1041
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 6: Thank you.

1042
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: That is John Thomas with the Joe Thomas half hour

1043
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: of the program. Yeah. I mean this is we're second

1044
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 2: last in the NFL in total offense, last and third down,

1045
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: second to last in penalties. Not not honestly lucky you'd

1046
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: have the one win with that. I mean that's hard

1047
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: to be to win anything that way. New England is

1048
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: the only team worse than US in yards per game

1049
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: bottom three or Tennessee Bears, US Patriots. That's the way

1050
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: that that stands. It's not great. How do you get

1051
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: it on track. That will be the job here. This

1052
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: week you'll go to Vegas and then Washington. But we're

1053
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: too good to look past anything. We just are not.

1054
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: We're not going to have to look past anything. So

1055
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: it'll be a week to week thing. We'll see what

1056
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: can get fixed on both sides of ball for this

1057
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: game in Vegas coming up on Sunday. Much more to come.

1058
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,440
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Speaker 2: two and six, forty five, two thousand, or visit Ohio

1065
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Speaker 2: Businessmachines dot com. I don't know what to make of

1066
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: this league. I think it's just a bunch of uneven play.

1067
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody's great. Who's great?

1068
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: Nobody nobody's great, Nobody's no.

1069
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, there, there's not a great team right now. I mean,

1070
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: in reality, the the Chiefs could ease oh and three.

1071
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: They're not they're three and oh but they are not great.

1072
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: They're a toe against likely, they're a questionable p I

1073
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: call against Cincy, though I do think it was p I.

1074
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: But then last night that was definitely in the end

1075
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: zone on Kyle Pitt's and they somehow.

1076
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: That's one of those ones where you know what so

1077
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: much about Oh p I. For sure, you think all

1078
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 2: these ones about game management, and that's one of those ones.

1079
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: They lose by five. Atlanta gets all the way down

1080
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: there first time through kick the field goal, make it

1081
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: a two point game. They don't they go for it.

1082
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: They don't get they they don't get it. So now

1083
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: you get the ball back. Now you got to try

1084
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: to score again. You're just winning the game. You just

1085
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: win the damn game like it's there to win. And

1086
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: the first one was sometimes I think there's just too

1087
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: much thought to like you have to have a little

1088
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: bit of humanalytics, a little bit of like what is

1089
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: what what would get us excited? Like you drive down there,

1090
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: your defense gets to stop kick the field goal? All right, successful,

1091
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: drive to play another round.

1092
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: Now it's a two point game.

1093
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: The right Kansas City cannot run it. Yep, So okay,

1094
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: let's get a stop and you're right back in it

1095
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: to win it, and instead you it's an empty possession.

1096
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: Defense has to go back out there and do it again,

1097
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: and now you gotta get a touchdown to win it.

1098
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: It's tough, man.

1099
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: I mean, let's look in the AFC. The Bills, maybe

1100
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 4: tonight could show that they're really good. But are they

1101
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 4: a great team?

1102
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 5: No.

1103
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 4: Jets are definitely not Dolphins or toast without two I mean,

1104
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: cheese wheeze?

1105
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: Are they toast that?

1106
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 5: So?

1107
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: Parents are garbage?

1108
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: Steelers are good, but are they They've given their defenses

1109
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: playing on their deal. They're also schedules lined up for

1110
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 4: them very nicely banged up Herbert Cousins when he was

1111
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: Cousins has gotten better the last two weeks compared to

1112
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 4: the first week, and then some of that. Of course, TJ.

1113
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 4: Watts unbelieable in Heismith. But they're not a great team. No,

1114
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 4: they have to follow a very particular script. They're still

1115
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: gonna you know, they they're gonna go ten and seven.

1116
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: The Texans just got waxed. How about that?

1117
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Wax hammered, wax hammered.

1118
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not a great team. The Chiefs are not

1119
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 4: a great team. They are three and oh, and you'd

1120
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: still you know, you like their chances better than anybody else.

1121
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 4: I mean, are the Vikings a great team? They're plus

1122
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: minus is fifty five.

1123
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: Here are the three Here are the four to three

1124
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: and oh teams Kansas City, Pittsburgh, Minnesota and Seattle.

1125
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Seattle is a great team.

1126
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 2: Seattle's probably got the softest. Who did they hammer this week?

1127
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 6: Oh?

1128
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: Miami without the quarterback? So Seattle beat Denver, New England

1129
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: Miami without Tua. Yeah that's their three wins.

1130
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Minnesota has beaten the g Men, the Niners and

1131
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: the Texans.

1132
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: G Men not as impressive. Niners and Texans those are

1133
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: pretty good.

1134
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: What is going on with the Niners? Though they're one

1135
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: and two?

1136
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: They should have won that game. I don't know if

1137
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 4: you watch it was unreal. Yeah, but Ronnie Bell dropped

1138
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 4: two passes that would have won the game, would have

1139
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: won it, like dropped, But are you slow out of

1140
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: the gates because he's helding out? So ceede lamb. All

1141
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 4: these guys that held out, they're also slow out of

1142
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 4: the gate. Yeah, it's wild.

1143
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: And then they can't get a stop and that just

1144
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: mash unit Rams team. They just kept running it and

1145
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: Stafford bade throws. I mean, they don't have Nikua that

1146
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: have Cooper Cup their running back.

1147
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 3: They don't two at well, they got their Oh yeah,

1148
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: they go it' Karen Williams.

1149
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: That's it.

1150
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: That's it.

1151
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: It's all the god Man. That's the only guy left.

1152
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: It's nuts. I yeah, it's very strange. I don't know

1153
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: if it's I'm sure some of it is the approach

1154
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: to preseason play. There's I don't know if teams are

1155
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: like viewing these this first month a little bit differently,

1156
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: but I don't know. Like, if Buffalo wins tonight and

1157
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: they're five and a half point favorites at home against Jacksonville,

1158
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: if they win tonight convincingly, they might be the IV

1159
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: They might be the number one team in the NFL

1160
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: at this point, they might be the best team in

1161
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1162
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: The Ravens won, but that was not a convincing win.

1163
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: Dude. It's twenty eight to nine.

1164
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they almost lost and they almost You blew it, boy, Okay,

1165
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 4: so I didn't see because I wasn't watching that game.

1166
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: I was cooking.

1167
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 4: I think at the time, what can you explain to me,

1168
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 4: what happened with Dak in the end zone to get

1169
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 4: out of a safety, he threw the.

1170
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 3: Ball at an offensive lineman.

1171
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 4: You didn't see it either, Okay, So what I read

1172
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: is did he see I cans to find it real

1173
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 4: quick that he threw the ball at an offensive lineman

1174
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 4: And here.

1175
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 2: It is G man watched it go ahead the g man.

1176
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 12: So so basically what happened was Dak was he was

1177
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 12: getting sacked in the end zone, yep. And before he

1178
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 12: went down, he like shoveled, like two hands shoveled the

1179
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 12: ball forward and he hit an offensive lineman in the back.

1180
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 12: And I guess they just didn't call grounding and he

1181
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 12: wasn't down, so it wasn't a sack like but it's

1182
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 12: a legal way to me.

1183
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: What was the game situation when it happened, he was

1184
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: the score I remember Ravens were winning.

1185
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 4: He pushes it forward right into the It was right

1186
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: into like the shoulder of an offensive lineman who catches it.

1187
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 4: And so they don't say it's intentional grounding. It's just illegal.

1188
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 4: It's an illegal forward pass because he's an eligible receiver. Yeah,

1189
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 4: and so it's not it makes it it's a loophole

1190
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 4: in the rules that that is.

1191
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: Not can't be intentional grounding.

1192
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: So I wonder if he knew it. Was he crazy

1193
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: like a fox?

1194
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: It feels like it.

1195
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was better than the safety or the grounding.

1196
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: Because it's illegal touching. It's not intentional grounding.

1197
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 4: Yes, people are saying, somebody explains to me, like I'm

1198
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: five years old, but that is that's what it is. Yes,

1199
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: it was earlier in the game. They I don't know

1200
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 4: why the score bugs not up on Fox, but it

1201
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 4: was earlier in the game.

1202
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. The so I didn't see that part of it.

1203
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: I watched the basically watched the end of the four

1204
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: o'clock window into Sunday night football was yep, when I

1205
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: was kind of locked in by the time we got

1206
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: back from the game. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's

1207
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: uneven play, like the fact that Minnesota was coming here

1208
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: in practices joint practices, with the notion that JJ McCarthy

1209
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: was going to go against our ones, and they were

1210
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 2: moving towards JJ McCarthy beating the starting quarterback for Minnesota,

1211
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: and instead he goes down. He's done. We find that

1212
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: out when they're here here and now Sam Darnold is

1213
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: a top five quarterback in the league from a production standpoint.

1214
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: Through three games, they have not had Jordan Addison. They've

1215
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: had Justin Jefferson, no Hockinson, but no Hockinson, no Addison.

1216
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: They played half of the game last week without Jefferson.

1217
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: He played in the game yesterday. And they're three and

1218
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: zero and they're they beat two damn good teams. Houston's

1219
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: good and so is San Francisco and they beat them both. Yep,

1220
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: not particularly close either. Didn't they hammer? They hammered Houston,

1221
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: and they hammered the Niners. They beat the The beat Houston

1222
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: thirty forty seven was the Niners.

1223
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: Probably that game.

1224
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 4: They didn't hammer the Niners. They hammered Houston. They beat

1225
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 4: the Niners I think by a touchdown. But the Niners

1226
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 4: had a lot of chances in that game that they

1227
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 4: let get away from them. But the Niners played in

1228
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 4: this one without Christian McCaffrey, Deebo, Samuel or Kittle, and

1229
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 4: Trent Williams got hurt.

1230
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 3: They think of like the.

1231
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 4: Though, that's that is the Niners. I mean obviously party

1232
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: is Yeah, party was brilliant. You would say the same

1233
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 4: of incredible. The Rams though too. Oh yeah, totally their

1234
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: whole operation. Did you did you see what Party's numbers were?

1235
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 4: And they had six drops.

1236
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: In the game.

1237
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was good.

1238
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 4: He was really he's he is unbelievable. They were without

1239
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 4: all the gin and rock. Party on the Road went

1240
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 4: twenty two of thirty and for two ninety two, three touchdowns,

1241
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: no picks, and he ran for forty one yards six drops.

1242
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 4: He so he threw two incompletions. I mean, really, that's crazy.

1243
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 4: That's what it looks like tho when you watch them.

1244
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: Oh, he's so good.

1245
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 7: You have to take one in a game? Are you

1246
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 7: taking the Vikings or the Squealers?

1247
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: Vikings? I like their I like the Florida.

1248
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: Must win it. I don't think I can go against Tomlin.

1249
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: I don't think I like Kevin o'conck quacy.

1250
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: I like him, well, I like I would root for them.

1251
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: Obviously, help me out, guys, I would. Let's go on

1252
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: obvious show yesterday last.

1253
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: He loves Pittsburgh.

1254
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 3: He loves it.

1255
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: And guess what the Browns to give me a little

1256
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 4: give yourself squealer love listen.

1257
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: I didn't do it. I'll still take the Viking every.

1258
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this we did not want and Field doesn't.

1259
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: He's not playing like Lamar or anything crazy like that.

1260
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: Want to go there, That's why I didn't want him.

1261
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 7: There a quarterback play.

1262
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: He's twenty five thirty two yesterday for like two point fifty,

1263
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: and he had a couple of good ones down the

1264
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: middle and.

1265
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: The Calvin Austin, yeh, a nice one.

1266
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: There's a nice one. And I'll tell you yesterday's not

1267
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: turning the ball over. He gives them a little thread

1268
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: on the ground. They're not running it great like Nase's

1269
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: under four yards of carry, Jalen Warren's under four yards

1270
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: of carry. But they're taking their time and they're just winning.

1271
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: It's just gross.

1272
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 4: But they is the first time in their history, I

1273
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 4: think since like the fifties that they've allowed ten or

1274
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 4: fewer points in each of the first three games. They're

1275
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: playing tremendous defense right now?

1276
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 8: All right?

1277
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: Who am I missing here?

1278
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 8: All right?

1279
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: There's gotta be one more? Oh yeah, Okay. There are

1280
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: six teams who made the playoffs last year that are

1281
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: one and.

1282
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 4: Two Stevens Miami. Miami's one and two. Who did they beat? Oh,

1283
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: they beat Jacksonville Jackson And then three Niners.

1284
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 2: We saw him Week one, Rammitt, Dallas, Rammitt and Ramit.

1285
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: Six playoff teams are one and two from a year ago,

1286
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: and Miami like all the rest of them. You can say, okay,

1287
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: there's a road map for getting back in the mix.

1288
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: Three games, right, and I would San Francisco is going

1289
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: to be more than fine. I think Baltimore is probably

1290
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: gonna be more than fine. Rams Okay, oh no, No,

1291
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: what is Miami doing? What are they going to do?

1292
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't take your advice and

1293
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: signed Tannehill.

1294
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: Supposedly they he only wants to go to someplace where

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Speaker 4: he is guaranteed to start for the rest of the year,

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Speaker 4: is what he is?

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Speaker 8: He is?

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Speaker 2: Well, why would he? I mean, do they really think

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Speaker 2: two is gonna come back?

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they could.

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Speaker 2: They can't waste any more time like he's there.

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Speaker 4: He's there, and I mean they can. I mean, I'm

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 4: guessing they'll play huntly but he doesn't exactly fit there.

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01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 3: No what they're doing and.

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: Have those two receivers and they're gonna what are they

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Speaker 2: gonna do?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's it's pretty it's pretty wild. My

1308
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 3: guess is they need to.

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01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 4: I think Tannehill's the best best fit. Form started his

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Speaker 4: career there, winning quarterback. I think they'd be more than fine. Yeah,

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01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 4: with Tannehill there, I don't know. Did you see who

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 4: put out It was that Adam Schefter that put out

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Speaker 4: this today, Adam Schefter NFL and ESPN. Adam Scheffer says

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Speaker 4: there are three quarterbacks that could make sense for Miami,

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Speaker 4: Zach Wilson, Russell Wilson and Dorian Thompson Robinson.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to trade dtr me neither.

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01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 3: I feel like I like dtr I do.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to see him play a little bit. I

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01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: mean not now, but I mean I like the for

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01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: the development of him. I don't know. Do you think

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01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: is Pittsburgh? Are they They can't go off of fields now,

1322
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: no way, no chance.

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01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: No they need.

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01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: The only way they go off of fields is if

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01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 4: they have a game like Tampa had this week, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean, where they just get smushed and

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01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 4: he doesn't any plays poorly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be the only way. But who do

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Speaker 3: they get?

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Speaker 2: They got at Colts then Dallas.

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Speaker 4: And they're gonna win that game. Anthony Richardson, is I

1332
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 4: told you? Did you finally see it.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god, dude, that's Joe Flacco time.

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Speaker 3: It's gotta be.

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01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: Oh, they would be winning with It's got to be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, poor stones Man. I know the kid has

1337
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: got to be a lovely I'm sure he's a lovely kid.

1338
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: And he can spin at a thousand miles and every

1339
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: once in a while he gives a throw and nobody

1340
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: in the world that can do that, right, But then JaMarcus,

1341
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: he is scattershot.

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01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: It's d you see is a red zone pick?

1343
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 3: Well, the worst place I've ever seen in the NFL.

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01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: And they won have it and they still beat the Bears,

1346
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: who are brutal, terrible, terrible bad jump.

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Speaker 4: By the way, they I don't know how they're so bad,

1348
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 4: because a Doonsay is a dude. DJ Moore is a dude.

1349
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 4: Cole Comet's not bad. I mean Catle Williams. And this

1350
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 4: one was thirty three to fifty two, three sixty three,

1351
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 4: two touchdowns through two picks. But I mean they actually

1352
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 4: moved the ball and he scored sixteen points. He scored

1353
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 4: sixteen points when he throw for three hundred and sixty yards.

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 4: No idea, no idea, so that fourth down play they

1355
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 4: ran at the goal line, and every the picture of it,

1356
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 4: every Bears lineman is on the ground, and all of.

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 3: The Colt skis are all the way through the line.

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01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 2: Even a gray sweet Suaye Chelsea boot. There's no no's.

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01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 2: He knows it's tough. This is not fun.

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Speaker 3: Dudemn dude, I'm gonna tell you what that might be

1361
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 3: an eight point three and do that.

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: I mean, this is Gibby's gonna love this because he

1363
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 2: loves Pittsburgh.

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01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 7: But like it stopped saying that my father is gonna

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 7: write me out on the damn Willsburgh post. They were

1366
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 7: so positive, didn't say anything about they opened up at the.

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: Stadium from Costco. They just stopped with this crap right now,

1368
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 3: Cheese out of a vent.

1369
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: Let's said, you know you're gonna be ordering Primanny's shipped

1370
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Speaker 2: over here out loud. Never, Here's Pittsburgh. This is Pitts.

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01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: Remember this is Pitts all right at Colts four and

1372
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: oh cowboys at home, Dallas can't run it. They'll make

1373
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 2: them one dimensional at Raiders Jets at home, so that'll

1374
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: be tough giants at home at Commis.

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Speaker 4: They could be six and two is that eight games?

1376
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 4: How many games is that total?

1377
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 7: Three?

1378
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: Four, five, six, seven, eight.

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01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 4: Nine, seven and two pretty easily and then go you

1380
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Speaker 4: the next eight.

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 2: Ravens at US at Cincinnati, US at home at Philly

1382
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: at Ravens Kansas City, Cincinnati. So it still looks like

1383
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: ten and seven though, Yeah, that is a tough back half,

1384
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: very difficult.

1385
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 4: I mean, we have to hold up our end of

1386
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 4: the bargain. But if we do, that's a tough back.

1387
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Speaker 2: That certainly is. Yeah, it's a very nice schedule though.

1388
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: If the objective is to get him believing in himself again, oh,

1389
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: it allows for that in spades. And they're a little

1390
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 2: bit more to work with. Your great clips, great clip

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Speaker 2: is Amari. Boy, It started good, isn't it? Eleven seconds

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Speaker 2: in Amari from Deshaun.

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01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 6: Sean Watson's going to open with Jerome Ford to his

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01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 6: right from the shotgun Shawn to throw.

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Speaker 3: Here's the pressure lofty web sideline zone. It is caught.

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Speaker 3: It is a touchdown.

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Speaker 6: Mary Cooper, you wanted it, you got it first playing

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Speaker 6: the game.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, how do you how do you go

1423
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: from that to the finish? I don't know that stadium.

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 4: Pay three hours you fourik I know. Let me tell

1425
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 4: you something. Yesterday started off. I thought there was a

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Speaker 4: good vibe, there was the it was a great privilege

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Speaker 4: to be able to be a part of the Legends induction.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: I thought the crowd's response whenever you know I talked

1430
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 4: about Jim Or when they showed his video was awesome.

1431
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 4: It was emotional. I had goosebumps. I was fighting back tears.

1432
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 4: I thought Phil Dawson came up and gave like an

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01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 4: incredible pep rally.

1434
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 2: Like just god, I was like, you crushed that.

1435
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 3: That was awesome, amazing, awesome. It was rabbit. You come up, Tony.

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01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 4: Tony Brown, Friend of the Show, gets on elevated for

1437
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 4: the first time. Ye first play of this of his

1438
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 4: Brown's career forces a fumble. We recover it, Delpit recovers it. Touchdown.

1439
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 4: It's like the beatdown is on like, this is gonna

1440
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 4: be dude, this is gonna be everything we thought it

1441
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 4: was gonna be, and we'd be feeling so good two

1442
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 4: and one Brown's win.

1443
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 3: We called it, what thirty three to ten something like that.

1444
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 4: By the way, Devin Singletary, if the Browns are gonna

1445
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 4: lose the game, you could have at least helped me

1446
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 4: get the over at the end and the over unders

1447
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 4: to sit down at the one yard line. Although miss

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01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 4: Kay's mad at me because I was like, don't play

1449
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 4: Singletary this week, not against us. And before that run,

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01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 4: he had like sixteen carries for twenty yards.

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01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 2: Sure, yep, yep, No, I mean it's it's the fastest

1452
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: touchdown since nineteen seventy in the league.

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01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 3: Yes, fastest holding.

1454
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 4: It was the fastest touchdown by a team that did

1455
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 4: not receive the opening kickoff in a long long time.

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01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 3: Is that maybe that that was it?

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01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: It was probably that nineteen seventy for a team that

1458
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 2: did not return the opening kickoff the fastest touchdown. No,

1459
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 2: it was it started off and then at the Ronnie

1460
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: Hickman's pick, like I'm looking over at the boys, I'm like,

1461
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 2: it's on baby, oh it, let's go let's blow them out.

1462
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: And then you look and you saw that flag and

1463
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm going, what would this be for? And it was

1464
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: from the area of holding. It was thrown from back there.

1465
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: So I'm like. The boys were like, Dad, there's a flag,

1466
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I think it's going to be holding.

1467
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 2: Like I didn't see once the ball left his hands.

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 2: I followed the ball, so I didn't even see anybody

1469
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: around Danny Dives, I didn't see anybody around it. Like

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: Ronnie caught it. You celebrate and that's it. And I thought, oh,

1471
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: it's going to be a holding. And there was taking

1472
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: a long time to talk about it.

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01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 4: And we knew it was going to be potentially roughing,

1474
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 4: and that they were talking about it, we thought that

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01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: they would cooler heads would prevail. Did he make contact

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01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 4: with the helmet yes? Did he make contact with the helmet?

1477
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 4: Was it a forcible blow to the head.

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01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 5: No?

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 3: Was it roughing the quarterback?

1480
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 5: No?

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01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 4: But you have to avoid those situations, and that, to me,

1482
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 4: in that moment wasn't smart football. The ball was gone,

1483
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 4: there was no reason for his hands to go up,

1484
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 4: and in fact, when the ball's thrown Greg Newsom's hands

1485
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 4: are down. You just needed to just touch them or

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: whatever it's it and it's a pick and you're celebrating,

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01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 4: and normally they have an idea of what the flag

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 4: is and you would think this, and I was starting

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01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 4: to get a little more confident, like they're still celebrating,

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Speaker 4: so maybe.

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Speaker 3: They know something we don't know. And then sure enough.

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Speaker 2: and as is customary on a Monday, we headed on

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Speaker 2: the Twisted Tea Hotline, brought to you by Twisted T

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Speaker 2: Hard Iced t, official sponsor of your Cleveland Browns. Andrew Silly,

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Speaker 2: I'm a play by play voice of your Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now on the hotline. How's did you get

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Speaker 2: that tire fixed?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 2: You don't? Was today less eventful?

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Speaker 6: Today's that's eventful. Thank you guys, at least so far.

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Speaker 6: Knock on wood, no flat tire. Love the music. I

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01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 6: know you guys play the music all the time. I'm

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Speaker 6: having flashbacks of Berman doing highlights with Eric Metcalf scoring

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Speaker 6: three touchdowns in Tampa on that hot, steamy day. I

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Speaker 6: believe this rookie year eighty nine. Yeah, Andrew, I have

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Speaker 6: to ninety one, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: I've had to explain. I have three children, twelve, ten,

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Speaker 2: and eight. I've had to explain to them that the

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Speaker 2: only way that you could watch the entire league when

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Speaker 2: I was a kid was by watching the NFL primetime.

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a it was a different world, like

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Speaker 6: remember when you used to And we're gonna really age ourselves.

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Speaker 6: Right now, let's say you're let's say the Browns weren't

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Speaker 6: on because let's say I was not in Cleveland. I was,

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Speaker 6: you know, in Virginia watching on DC TV. Browns weren't on,

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Speaker 6: Let's say there, and you would flip back and forth

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Speaker 6: between the halftime shows or whatever games you have there

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Speaker 6: on CBS and NBC, praying they give you like a

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Speaker 6: two play or one play highlights happened in that game.

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Speaker 6: And then if they didn't show that, then all you

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Speaker 6: had is primetime. But then at primetime like stuck in

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Speaker 6: the E block with only a three play TV talker. Sorry,

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 6: then you had to wait for Inside the NFL on

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Speaker 6: Tuesday Night on HBO, and then what do you know,

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 6: like you know, Dawson and Bona Cottie might only give

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01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 6: it a two play and you would see nothing, literally

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Speaker 6: from the.

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Speaker 2: Entire That's exactly it A little different now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Monday Night the highlights on Monday Night, we're.

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Speaker 2: Monday Night football, Monday Football highlight. If you had time, yeah, he.

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Speaker 3: Was it back the right.

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Speaker 4: You've had a flight to contemplate this, You've gotten research

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,640
Speaker 4: that provided information that was less than pleasing. You have

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 4: called the game. You have thought about it, I'm sure

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01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 4: what do you make of what happened yesterday? And what

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,440
Speaker 4: you know can only be described as a very disappointing

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Speaker 4: law at home to the Giants.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so I'm watching the TV copy right now, literally

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Speaker 6: as we speak. So DeShawn just through the touchdown. What

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 6: a route by the way to Amar on his second.

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Speaker 3: You know all the sleep, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Broke it in, which is what a route? Good ball

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 6: to Jerry Judy after the kickoff, you got the holding

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01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 6: on Bellinger, you got a nice play by Denzel Ward

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Speaker 6: and not ball up with the big neighbors. You had

1562
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 6: a nice tackle on Robinson by Greg Newsom on third down,

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 6: those miles got banked up on and at that point,

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Speaker 6: like I look at you, and I don't know that

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 6: I said it, but we had about whether or I

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Speaker 6: looked at you like we're winning the games? It you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't bet, but I would have put every dollar

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Speaker 6: I had, Like we are winning this game, period, full stop.

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Speaker 6: There's ten minutes left, let's go right, and then I

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Speaker 6: still haven't watched the remaining nine and a half. Should

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Speaker 6: I watch it?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 2: Had three different times, buddy, when you when I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you could have said, well, we're going to go win

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01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: the game now, three three of them, where after it's

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Speaker 2: twenty one to fifteen where you say there's three different

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Speaker 2: times he's okay, well, now we'll go win it. And

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Speaker 2: I was in the days and some people would leave

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Speaker 2: and then the boys be Dad, we're only down six,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, now we're good. And then you get

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Speaker 2: the ball back around six minutes, Okay, let's go win it.

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Speaker 2: And then you get them again to stop and you go, okay,

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Speaker 2: well let's go win it. You missed the field goal,

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Speaker 2: you think, okay, well we got a chance. Let's go

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Speaker 2: win it again for the third time. And the thing

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Speaker 2: Andrew that was that is so frustrating, and you called

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: it obviously, but never to even threaten the red zone

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Speaker 2: on any of those three possessions was tough, man like.

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Speaker 2: You never even made them have to think about.

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Speaker 6: It again a team. And by the way, as we talk,

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Speaker 6: Amari just had that great catch on Banks on the

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Speaker 6: sideline that looked just like the one he had last

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Speaker 6: year against the forty nine ers on the other sideline

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01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,959
Speaker 6: against the team. Oh, by the way, that is dreadful

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Speaker 6: in the red zone. I give I take it back

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Speaker 6: against the team that was great last week in the

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Speaker 6: red zone for the one time he got in here,

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Speaker 6: and really the first touchdown from the twenty four let's

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Speaker 6: call it red zone adjacent, you're able to beat a

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Speaker 6: fumble at midfield. The looklands to fancy face after the

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Speaker 6: fumble where you can read his lips. I can't remember

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Speaker 6: what it was, something like, are you kidding me that?

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Speaker 6: That kind of tells the Giants, Yeah, how to that hat?

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Speaker 6: Whatever it was. The Giants repeatedly in the fourth quarter

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01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 6: tried to give the Bronx begin repeatedly over ever again,

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Speaker 6: even on that first play after the touchdown where Daniel

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Speaker 6: Jones got hit as he threw and the ball hung

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Speaker 6: up in the air, and it was newsome and I

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Speaker 6: want to say, McLeod, no, is it whatever? Two dds

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Speaker 6: ran into each other, they're both going to the ball.

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Speaker 6: You can't fault them for effort. But that ball hung

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Speaker 6: in the air and you're like, ooh, you pick that off.

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Speaker 6: You're in the red zone right there, like so many chances, Chief, yeah,

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Speaker 6: and it leaves you.

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Speaker 4: It's unfortunate. Obviously, we know that. You know you had

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Speaker 4: their chances to get the ball. You had one you

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Speaker 4: thought m j Emerson is going to pick and instead

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Speaker 4: Neighbors makes a great catch.

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Speaker 3: You have the pick by Hickman.

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Speaker 4: We know about the penalty on Greg Newsom and the

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Speaker 4: one you mentioned, I'm pretty sure was I think it

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Speaker 4: was Denzel and j Oka maybe that collideed trying to

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Speaker 4: catch that football and neither one of them were able

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Speaker 4: to come up with it. Mischances there, But you know, really,

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Speaker 4: I think the bigger question we were talking earlier with

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Speaker 4: the Hoff Andrew is you know who who what is

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Speaker 4: this team?

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Speaker 3: Who are the Browns?

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Speaker 4: What is the identity of this football team, especially on

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01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,799
Speaker 4: offense and then defensively. You know, it's been a mixture.

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Speaker 4: It's either been elite or it's been not great. And

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Speaker 4: you've allowed very long touchdown drives.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a combination of long drives, and they're the

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Speaker 6: two long drives that the Cowboys had week number one.

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Speaker 6: And in between was dominance and that was the same

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Speaker 6: thing we saw yesterday as well. And I listened to

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Speaker 6: the Bob and he was great, and what a what

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Speaker 6: a saint that guy is to do it all walking

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01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 6: through an air poor famous as everyone pointing cameras and

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Speaker 6: winning autographs, that's that's you know, speaks to his his

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Speaker 6: it never missed a snap, never missed a call with you, guys, Clearly,

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Speaker 6: I'm with you guys. They're searching for the offensive identity,

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01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 6: and everything that I just said about the Giants trying

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01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 6: to get them the game of the fourth quarter does

1645
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 6: not change the fact both can be true. As I

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Speaker 6: like to say that the offensive numbers are abysmal and

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01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 6: that the defense has given up those long drives here,

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01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 6: that that totally overshadow the dominance, and that they're trying

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Speaker 6: to find their footing and they still should be two

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Speaker 6: and one. Through all of that, you're facing a team

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Speaker 6: in the Raiders that I mean, it's probably you want

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01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 6: to call the Browns and and their loss as bad

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 6: as it could get. The Raider lost at home yesterday,

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Speaker 6: and they didn't just lose, I mean they were blown

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Speaker 6: out of their own building where the game was over

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01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 6: in essence at halftime. It certainly was over early in

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Speaker 6: the third. I was watching that game on the flight

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Speaker 6: home and you can see, I mean, give CBS credit,

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01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 6: I mean they it was a master class and sad

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Speaker 6: Raider fan cutaways in the stands. I mean you can see,

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Speaker 6: like the weekend in Vegas that had taken a toll

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 6: with these fans realized that they were getting blown out

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Speaker 6: of their own building. It was just awful. And that

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Speaker 6: Antonio Pierce comes out and says, we're gonna start cutting

1665
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 6: guys in essence, like if you're making business decisions, we're

1666
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 6: going to make business decisions. You're facing a team that

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Speaker 6: is going to get dressed down and probably work to

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 6: death this week. So they're they're coming out and I

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01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,719
Speaker 6: hate to play this this mind goel, this is the motivation.

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Speaker 6: That's the motivation. The Raiders are showing up, but they're

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Speaker 6: also really that their offensive performance, Like, are you guys

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Speaker 6: EPA people? Because I don't necessarily worsh up at the

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Speaker 6: church at e PA like some people do. I don't

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Speaker 6: think you use it.

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Speaker 3: As a data point. Yeah, they're trying to say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that. I get it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Like the next time we're in a bar and

1678
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 6: so it comes up to me and said, you know,

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Speaker 6: I don't know about the quarterback. If you only get

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01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 6: his EPA up above a certain number, then I'd really

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01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 6: believe nobody cares. Okay, but the Raiders rush offense through

1682
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 6: three games this season is the worst EPA. Just use

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Speaker 6: that metric of any team this millennium.

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Speaker 3: Millennium, Yeah, that long time, quarter of a century.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a long time. So that that's how poorly

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01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 6: the Raiders are running the football. It's a game you

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 6: should win. But we said it last week as well.

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Speaker 2: How do you? I mean, Kevin Stefanski, if you think

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Speaker 2: about you know what he is, what he's been as

1690
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 2: a head coach, two time NFL Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Our offenses during his tenure have been wildly a man,

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Speaker 2: he's such a great scheming guys open like you. Oftentimes

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Speaker 2: we'll see guys you watch the All twenty two andresy

1694
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: guys just running free. Are We are dead last in

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01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: the NFL on third down. We're second to the last

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 2: in the NFL in penalties. We are second to last

1697
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL in yards per game. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: a billion problems. But if you had to fix one, yeah,

1699
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: drops is another one. If you had to fix one

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01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: of these things and say all right, let's just fix

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01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: this so we can try to beat Vegas. Where's your

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01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 2: priority this week on this coaching staff?

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Speaker 6: Run the ball and you're getting you know, in terms

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01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 6: of points of a drop back, and you want to

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01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 6: go back to the EPA the overall metrics dropping back

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01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 6: as much as any team of the NFL and getting

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Speaker 6: the least out of it. But that's a combination of things.

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01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 6: And you're gonna have veteran quarterbacks, and you're gonna have

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks to their film breakdowns and tell you Deshaun's holding

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 6: the ball too long, and you're gonna do plenty of

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 6: film breakdowns. We're like, okay, well the guy's got two

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 6: seconds and then it's over. If that all of it

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Speaker 6: goes hand in hand, I don't know. My question is,

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Speaker 6: and I heard what you guys said earlier, is that

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Speaker 6: the patchwork offensive line of the fourth quarter they're using

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Speaker 6: tempo a little bit, especially on that touchdown drive. The

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01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 6: patchwork offensive line seemingly did the job. Okay, is what

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01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 6: do you do and who do you have available? I

1719
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 6: know you're not gonna have Teller obviously, that seems we

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01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 6: know that one right now. But but what do you

1721
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 6: have and do you keep Nick Harris at center? I

1722
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 6: get to figure out the offensive line? And can you

1723
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 6: go back to the jumbo set with the personnel you

1724
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 6: have healthy and available? I don't know.

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 4: I don't know either, and I think that's part of

1726
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: the big problem that is facing you know, this team

1727
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 4: right now, because if you want to go back to

1728
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 4: running the ball, what is being able to control the

1729
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. And we cannot do that as an

1730
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: offense right now in the round game, and we certainly

1731
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 4: cannot do that as an offense in the past pro game.

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01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 3: And we're vulnerable.

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01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 6: And you got to be able to communicate. And yep, yeah, sorry,

1734
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 6: I was cutting you off there, Nathan saying the same thing.

1735
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 6: You got to communicate, You gotta be able to pick

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01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 6: it up. You got to know where the rush is

1737
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 6: coming from. It's easy for me to say, Okay, I'm

1738
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 6: not I'm not the one to tell you how.

1739
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 3: I'm doing it.

1740
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 6: Hand those off, hand, hand those off, and communicate upfront.

1741
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 6: That's not my job. But you got to be able

1742
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 6: to do it somehow because everyone sees it. It's on

1743
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 6: tape now, it's three games, it's not one game.

1744
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 4: Oh and you better believe the Raiders are going to

1745
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 4: blitz us and run games with Max Crosby and have

1746
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 4: him run around the edge all of it. We're going

1747
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 4: to be under duress again. It's just and you're always

1748
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 4: good at pointing this out. You know, it's an NFC loss.

1749
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 4: We're zero and two against the NFS. You have an

1750
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 4: opportunity to get another AFC win here on the road

1751
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 4: in Vegas. But you know, we talked about kind of offensively,

1752
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 4: what the issues are defensively, what do you think is

1753
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 4: leading to what I would call uncharacteristic long drives, not

1754
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 4: for stretches, you don't get off the field on third down,

1755
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, it's like nobody can

1756
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 4: move the ball against you.

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01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's a great question. There have been a

1758
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 6: few plays where look the Giants and they're not gonna

1759
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 6: be the only team that does this. They're they're taking

1760
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 6: a sideline, a sideline, right, They're they're trying to use

1761
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 6: your your over aggressives, over aggressiveness getting upfield with the

1762
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 6: screen game, with the quick game, going sideline to sideline,

1763
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 6: making your run. You get you get plays in the

1764
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 6: flat and normally you're getting those tackles. You're it's good

1765
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 6: to have guys that can make tackles in the flat,

1766
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 6: but if you miss one, then that's six seven, eight yards,

1767
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 6: that's a drive starter. Then it's second and short and

1768
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 6: one or two miss tackles. Even if they don't go

1769
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 6: big play, even if they don't turn it into't have

1770
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 6: those little miss tackles on the edge. If that's where

1771
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,799
Speaker 6: everyone's gonna work to try to beat you, they will,

1772
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 6: like a million little paper cuts get you. And that's

1773
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 6: what we saw happened yesterday. I bet of course. Look, guys,

1774
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 6: the Lake Nambers is really good. Second half. They put

1775
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 6: Denzel on them. That changes next week. You got to

1776
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 6: deal with DeVante Adams as well. So and don't forget

1777
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 6: about brock Bauers, assuming he's healthy, as part of the

1778
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 6: Raiders offense. So they may not be able to run

1779
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 6: the football, but they got guys that you got to circle.

1780
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,679
Speaker 2: Get you out of here on this one, Buddy Wild

1781
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: first three weeks of the NFL two Monday night games tonight.

1782
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 2: In your view, is there any team that's great? I mean,

1783
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: you got four teams that are undefeated. I guess Buffalo

1784
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 2: could be if they win tonight. Is that maybe the answer?

1785
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: Who's the best team in the league right now the

1786
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 2: first three weeks?

1787
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 6: That's a great question. I look, I would say the

1788
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 6: Chiefs because they have Mahomes obviously, but watching them, do

1789
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 6: you say, oh my god, this is some unbeatable juggernaut. No,

1790
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 6: of course not. I mean Isaiah likely get his foot down.

1791
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 6: It's a different game week one, certainly, and they have

1792
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 6: a different record as we sit here right now. I

1793
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 6: mean they missed it by a toe. For Pete's say,

1794
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 6: I think the Seahawks are interesting, but with Kenneth Walker out,

1795
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 6: I don't know. I think their defense is interesting, and

1796
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 6: I think Gina's playing really well. I'm not getting a

1797
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,520
Speaker 6: lot of credit, but I wouldn't say they're a juggernaut

1798
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 6: or they're elite. The Bills have defensive injuries. I don

1799
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 6: The Saints got their pants pulled down yesterday. You know

1800
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 6: this team was This team.

1801
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 3: Was pulled down yesterday.

1802
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 6: Yes, another story at a time. What do they do

1803
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 6: at quarterback now?

1804
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 3: Not that?

1805
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 6: No, No one's answer your question. Both. No one's good.

1806
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Every don't think so. I don't. Maybe Buffalo tonight, if

1807
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: they can dominate, maybe maybe they're the answer to it.

1808
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but but.

1809
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 6: Good jack warts go ahead, buttons on the line for

1810
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 6: short seasons on the line. Think about it, like we

1811
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 6: talked about it last week. If they lose tonight they're

1812
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 6: own three and they're going to Houston on a short week.

1813
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 6: And now Houston. I mean, we thought that the Texans

1814
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 6: were a juggernaut. Look what happened to them? Are we

1815
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 6: forgetting the Vikings? I don't know. Did anyone think the

1816
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 6: Vikings would be the best team in football after three weeks?

1817
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 6: Are they?

1818
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I certainly didn't have him hammering you so no being

1819
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 2: the Niners, and he's yeah, no, no, not not at all. No,

1820
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: it's crazy, strange, strange. Hopefully we get Hopefully next week, buddy,

1821
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: when we reconvene, will be under better circumstances. Thanks for

1822
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 2: your time.

1823
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,440
Speaker 6: As always, I plan on it being better circumstances.

1824
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 2: We'll plan as well and then be widely disappointed if

1825
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: it's not all right, buddy, stop it. Talk to you soon.

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01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,720
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1830
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Speaker 5: It?

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Speaker 3: Did happen for a second.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the other reason that where I think

1844
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 4: you and I are both very unhappy with the Falcons.

1845
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 4: If they just kicked that field little we win the scores.

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01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 2: Jeez, don't get me started with scores, dude. I mean

1847
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: like the amount of the way that these teams are

1848
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: managing endgame scenarios. Like some stuff I'm just getting way wrong,

1849
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: like Tampa Bay getting housed at home and the Raiders

1850
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,720
Speaker 2: getting housed at home, like everybody house. I mean Minuta, Oh,

1851
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: I had both of those. He got he had covers,

1852
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 2: he had back door covers, not beatings, not beatdowns like

1853
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 2: Minnesota house.

1854
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 4: We got Houston dead wrong Houston, Chicago dead wrong.

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01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 2: That was closed though at least like Houston got hammered,

1856
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 2: they got hammered at home Dallas, Arizona, Niners Atlanta. We

1857
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:23,520
Speaker 2: went Niners up fourteen nothing losing. That is outrageous, outrageous, outrageous.

1858
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know what the hell

1859
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 2: is going on.

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01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 7: Well, let's get down to it.

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01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 3: We can still salvage.

1862
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:34,839
Speaker 7: Monday Night Football, seven thirty ESPN, Jags at Bills. Evan Ingram,

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01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 7: the Bills a little banged up defensively.

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Speaker 3: As the girl, I.

1865
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 4: Think the Bills are a very, very good team, but

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01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 4: this is a Jag. This is a desperate Jacksonville Jaguars team,

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01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 4: and I think the Bills win it. Twenty four to

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01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Bills twenty seven, Jags twenty one.

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Speaker 7: Eight fifteen ABCESPN plus the Kamis at the Bengals. Te

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Speaker 7: Higgins back for the Natty Burrow, five and zero in

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01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 7: primetime games in his career.

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Speaker 6: Bision.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about desperate, there's desperate as can be.

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01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 2: I think they play well tonight twenty four to ten Cincinnati.

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01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 3: Same but different. Twenty four to seventeen.

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01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 2: God this could be I could either tie you and

1878
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 2: we could both be looking at worse YEP, or you

1879
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: can separate and it's done if these two go that

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