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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Tip of the cap to our super producer,

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Speaker 1: mister Max Williams oh Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, I had this whole like fantasy that I

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Speaker 2: was gonna bring in an example of every one of

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Speaker 2: the hats we talk about today from my collection and like,

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Speaker 2: you know, show them to you guys. This is a snapback.

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Speaker 3: This is a trucker whatever.

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Speaker 2: This is a fitted. I mean not that you guys

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Speaker 2: didn't know, but I really wanted to do a bit

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Speaker 2: and I just didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: It's cold, I have a headache, but it's.

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Speaker 2: The thought that counts.

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Speaker 3: I do love a baseball cap.

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Speaker 2: You have a hat on at least? Well, this is

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Speaker 2: not This is a beanie. This is a beanie though

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Speaker 2: Ben's the only one on brand with his proper atl

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Speaker 2: represent hat. What do you call that, Ben? Is that

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Speaker 2: a fitted? Hata?

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Speaker 1: This is a fitted. This is what they would sell

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Speaker 1: at Lidd's. Got this from my fantastic friend, the mayor

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Speaker 1: of Ponce, Harold. You can find him as number four

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Speaker 1: are locals on a vote Instagram. Yeah, I'd vote for

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Speaker 1: him too, at least for comptroller, because I don't really

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Speaker 1: understand I voted well, okay, oh great, Well, God knows

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Speaker 1: Atlanta needs the help. I am Ben Bollen, joined with

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Speaker 1: the one and only mister Noel Brown, a man of

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Speaker 1: many hats, and today we are bringing to you, fellow

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Speaker 1: ridiculous historians, something that we have idly speculated on off

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Speaker 1: air for quite some time. Baseball caps. Baseball caps are

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Speaker 1: freaking everywhere, right, And the weird thing is most people

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Speaker 1: who wear them spoiler don't actually play baseball, have you know?

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Speaker 2: Man? It's sort of like me and all my Vans stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I told you guys this. I

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Speaker 2: went into a Vans store and I bought this Van's

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Speaker 2: jacket and I was wearing my Vans slip ons and

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Speaker 2: a Van's little bag. And the guy very sort of

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Speaker 2: snarkily said, all you need now is a skateboard, bro, remember, yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what, Van's is more

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Speaker 2: of a lifestyle brand at this point, my guy. And

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Speaker 2: that's the same with baseball. No one's gonna gonna rag

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Speaker 2: you for wearing a baseball cap if you're not like

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Speaker 2: a slugger.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, right. You don't have to be Mickey Mantle there,

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Speaker 1: go to casual wear. These days, a baseball cap is

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Speaker 1: a fashion statement. It's a multi billion dollar industry. And

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Speaker 1: even people who don't give a flip about since we're

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Speaker 1: family show, who don't give a flip about baseball, will

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Speaker 1: probably have a baseball cap in their house somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the Western world because it's perfect for yardwork.

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Speaker 2: It's a functional item. It shields your eyes from the

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Speaker 2: sude if it's if you live in places like you know, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: for example, where it gets blazing hot, that sun will

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Speaker 2: fry pale vampiric, you know, creatures like the Three of Us. No, no,

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Speaker 2: on the sun. It's not my fault.

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Speaker 3: I'm Swedish.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys see this freckle? You're you're both? I

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Speaker 1: think of Northern European extraction. Uh, I am not, but

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Speaker 1: I do. I do crisp quite quickly. And I've been

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Speaker 1: deviled because I had to spend some time on my

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Speaker 1: rooftop recently and the freckles just blossom. I have a

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Speaker 1: freckle on the tip of my nose right now, and

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Speaker 1: it's driving me crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's driving me gaga because I think it is adorbs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks man, No.

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Speaker 2: It's true. Man. You know, baseball caps or hats or

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Speaker 2: whatever there's I mean, people generally just call them baseball

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Speaker 2: caps are a very universally beloved thing, whether or not

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Speaker 2: they're using it purely for function. And we have.

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Speaker 3: An Tristine's story to explore.

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Speaker 1: Let's cast our memories back there, folks, to the early

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Speaker 1: days of the American institution known as baseball. Now, a

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Speaker 1: lot of this is going to be old beans for

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Speaker 1: pal Max. But Noel, did you know that baseball has

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Speaker 1: this really murky origin.

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Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense because it, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: with sticks and swing them around, and balls, you know,

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Speaker 2: imagine putting one and one together. You take the ball,

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Speaker 2: you throw up here, you hit it. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: how can we take this a little further? And before

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Speaker 2: you know it, you've got these kind of parallel versions

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Speaker 4: So what I've learned and just some like you know

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Speaker 4: fan hood deep dives is there's this concept of this

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Speaker 4: sport called town ball in New England areas. The reason

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Speaker 4: like people would get together on the weekend and all

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Speaker 4: going in the middle of town and play ball.

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Speaker 2: But changing the laws comes into the puritanical laws.

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Speaker 4: Against stuff on Sundays, and that's when they wanted to

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Speaker 4: play because everyone was more or less off like or dancing.

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Speaker 2: So there's these.

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Speaker 4: Small like old town laws where they say no activity

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Speaker 2: Town ball was deemed spiritually clean enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's stories of like people playing baseball in

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Speaker 4: the background of Civil War like battles and stuff.

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Speaker 2: It was. It's a strange.

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Speaker 1: Puritans were like, this is the this is the game

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Speaker 1: Jesus would play.

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Speaker 2: A million percent. Jesus. He was a pretty good runner probably,

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Speaker 2: and he liked to hit things something involving sticks. But

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Speaker 2: spoiler worth But no, seriously, like this early version, you know,

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Speaker 2: did it involve something resembling bases and the scoring system

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Speaker 2: of what we know today or that seems like the

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Speaker 2: kind of aspect much like, you know, the way basketball

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Speaker 2: suit the times, you know that to make it more exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was similar to they did have two opposing teams.

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Speaker 1: It was similar to the game called rounders. But if

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Speaker 1: you looked at it now, like if you looked at

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Speaker 1: the way the game town ball is arranged, then you

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Speaker 1: would see, like there's there's a sticky evolution, and it's

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Speaker 1: because the older baton ball games go back for centuries,

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Speaker 1: your earlier point. Somebody finds a stick somewhat invents a

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Speaker 1: recreational ball, it doesn't take long. I there's a French

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Speaker 1: manuscript from like thirteen forty four that shows a game

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Speaker 1: things that informed the town ball of the of the

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Speaker 1: immigrants who came to the United States, and I think

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Speaker 1: town ball was it was called Philly ball or Philly

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Speaker 3: Philly like Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a town that loves name and stuff.

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Speaker 2: They do, really do. Philly's an awesome city, you know.

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Speaker 2: But even the part you said about the game rounders,

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Speaker 2: things where you're rounding certain set locations, or even like tag.

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Speaker 2: You know, And again we're not here to litigate the

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Speaker 2: entire history of all games, but it does appear that

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Speaker 2: there are little snippets of things that could have just

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Speaker 2: of a lot of the games that we know today.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, man, that's beautifully put. And to Max's point,

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Speaker 1: this was a situation wherein the rules for or one

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Speaker 1: kind of bat and ball game in one town may

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Speaker 1: not be the same in another locale. And what another

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Speaker 1: thing that didn't happen yet at this point in time

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Speaker 1: was the idea of uniforms. People just had free time,

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Speaker 1: and if they're sometimes puritantical social orders were okay with it,

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Speaker 1: they would show up with whatever clothing they had access.

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Speaker 2: To, hair shirts and skins. Yeah, that was a religious

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Speaker 2: sports joke, which is the origin of the mascot. The

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Speaker 2: hairshirt was not a thing that like, it was like

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Speaker 2: a garment that Puritans wore to frustrate themselves. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if I don't remember if it was Puritans, but

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Speaker 2: it was definitely a really itchy discussed It's a very

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Speaker 2: unpleasant shirt's intentionally uncomfortable. Yeah, it's sort of the idea

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Speaker 2: of self flagellation, but a little bit like more minor

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Speaker 2: kinds of you know, let me make myself eternally uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: Myself mortification and penance.

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Speaker 4: It's not very comfortable. Like this beautiful baseball roto where

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Speaker 4: shirt that I'm wearing right now. If you want cool

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Speaker 4: baseball shirts getting from rodal Wear. They are not paying

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, Okay, Okay, let's get Max some shirts.

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Speaker 2: Max with the facts and it's true. Uniforms were not

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Speaker 2: a thing. Therefore, there was no need for a head

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Speaker 2: worn piece of accoutrement. Yet, you know, to be a

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Speaker 2: part of that ensemble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The earliest what we could call the earliest modern

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Speaker 1: baseball teams start to agglomerate around eighteen hundred, and then

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Speaker 1: the National League is formed in eighteen seventy six, and

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Speaker 1: even then, no state hats. You just most people again

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Speaker 1: to the point of function, they're going to wear some

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Speaker 1: sun out of their eyes. We went to MLB dot

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Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, and he kind of

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Speaker 1: he talks about it in a couple of different ways,

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Speaker 1: and he says, look, the New York wait for it, knickerbockers.

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Speaker 1: We brought back knickerbockers.

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Speaker 2: Ah, we had to thought it was done.

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Speaker 1: Huh, such a great word.

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Speaker 2: They were, according to MLB dot com, the first team

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Speaker 2: to have an official uniform. But you mentioned the idea

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Speaker 2: of people wearing bringing their own kind of brimmed hat

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Speaker 2: from home. That would more likely have been something resembling

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Speaker 2: sort of a floppy beach hat or like a farmer's

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Speaker 1: Or barbershop quartet hat.

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Speaker 3: He go, yes, one of those flat top ones.

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Speaker 2: Those are great. I just pictured like a stand in

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Speaker 2: a parade. I do love a parade. But yeah, at

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Speaker 2: this point they were wearing what would be called at

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Speaker 2: the time chip hats or of course straw hats. But

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Speaker 2: these would have been brimmed, you know, in three hundred

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's go to Charles A. Peverly. He wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called the Book of American Pastimes in eighteen

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Speaker 1: sixty six, and he says, look the Knickerbockers over in

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Speaker 1: New York. They said, we need uniforms. So they have

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Speaker 1: blue woolen pantaloons, another beautiful word. They have white flannel shirts.

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Speaker 1: And then they had like you described Noel, the chip,

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Speaker 1: and the chip was seriously, it was like this old

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Speaker 1: school straw hat, flat flat atop or flat crowned, and

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Speaker 1: then with that three hundred and sixty degree brim. And

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Speaker 1: all I can imagine is that they would play baseball

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Speaker 1: and then go sing at the barber shop. We don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's true, but that's how I'd like to

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Speaker 1: picture it.

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Speaker 2: They definitely had the mustaches for it, likely at this time,

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Speaker 2: and riding their Penny Farthing bicycles around town. But you

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Speaker 2: could you can picture already what the issues might be.

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Speaker 2: You know, straw hat is not particularly durable. I mean

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Speaker 3: So this Max made the deepest cringe I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: That's what helmets were for, you know. So it does

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Speaker 4: And to continue on Nole's point there, it wasn't until

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Speaker 4: So the first widely believed to be the first like

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're the same ballpark.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but leather helmets was around for way later than

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Speaker 4: helmets in football. Okay, that makes sense too, that makes

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Speaker 1: Was it rough just fewer commercials it was.

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Speaker 1: Also, also, wearing a hat in Western society at this

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Speaker 2: The time, like you know, hat in hand expressions like that,

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Speaker 1: So these uh, these these excelsior folks in Brooklyn, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, And I just googled marino caps kind

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Speaker 4: just like, I have my feelings about the Pittsburgh Pirates.

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00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 4: I will not air them here, but I like them.

437
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 4: I like I like Pittsburgh Pirate fans. Let's just say,

438
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 4: but yeah, and I like players on the team. It's

439
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 4: not the problem. We can probably figure out my lemonade.

440
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can kind of tell. Yeah.

441
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: I think they're just a cool team. They have beautiful ballpark,

442
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 4: and like this is like a hat I would love

443
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 4: to have because it's such a cool hat.

444
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: Because you want to look like you work on a train.

445
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, what'd you think? I would say? It?

446
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: There funny, I know, funny part funny at side about Pittsburgh.

447
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: So I was there on a weird on a weird

448
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: mission for a different show called Stuff They Want You

449
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: to Know. I was very cold and I had to

450
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: put on I went to the hotel and I was like,

451
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: I under a misunderestimated the weather, and I got a

452
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: hoodie that just had you know me, I'm not a

453
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: logo guy, So I got a hoodie that just had

454
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: a pee on it. I didn't know it was the

455
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates. And I went to like, I went to

456
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: one of the only places open late at night to

457
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: get food, which was a dive bar, and this bartender

458
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: instantly became friends with me. It was like, not a

459
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: lot of people have the sand to wear that hoodie

460
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: around me around these questions, except in a Pittsburgh accent.

461
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Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, like Pittsburgh's one of those cities,

462
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 4: the chart's very much the same way. Cleveland's the same

463
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: way where their teams are like the number one team dining,

464
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 4: you know, Atlanta's kind of that way. But that was

465
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 4: Midwestern teams. Oh, they love their baseball teams, they do.

466
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Speaker 1: And it's no surprise that this this hat still has

467
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: an evolution to go through because as surprise as weird

468
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: as it is to point this out, at this time,

469
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: no team had a logo on their hat yet. It

470
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: was just a color that was the differentiation. It wasn't

471
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: until eighteen ninety four, when the then Boston Braves put

472
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: letter forms on their caps that people started saying, okay,

473
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: let's get some branding on here.

474
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Speaker 2: You know, it makes me picture the letterman's jackets of

475
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: you know, Ivy League colleges and universities and all of

476
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. And I believe that stuff dates back to

477
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: the mid to lay eighteen hundreds as well. So it

478
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: almost seems like these things were happening concurrently and then

479
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: maybe one sort of influenced the other as they started

480
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: to evolve, because I guess it probably wasn't until the

481
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: fifties or so that like high school letterman jackets became

482
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: a thing, you know, with varsity cheerleaders and the like.

483
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: You know, it's such a feat loop, right, These things

484
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: feed onto each other. Think about this. If you're a

485
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: fan of your local sports team in any decade, especially

486
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: before this, this kind of merchandise came out. That is

487
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: the coolest flex for you to show up with them

488
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: on your shirt, or to show up and say, hey,

489
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: I've got a hat from the Boston Braves And someone says,

490
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: won't they move to Atlanta later? And you say, I

491
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: don't know, carpet, Yeah.

492
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: They got to stop in Milwaukee at some point, sure,

493
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: But you know, of course there's that like it.

494
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: It makes you feel connected with the players too, because

495
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: you're oftentimes wearing the same You can buy the same

496
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: one that they wear by the same jerseys. That's why

497
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: those things, you know, the nice ones go for a

498
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: pretty penny. But that is the flex in and of

499
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: itself to be like, I'm on the team too, you know.

500
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: So by just one year after eighteen ninety four, I

501
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: don't know why I said it that way. Eighteen ninety five,

502
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: three more teams, three more teams have done the same thing.

503
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Speaker 1: Fast forward, it's nineteen oh one. This is another Easter

504
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: egg for U Max. The Detroit Tigers are officially the

505
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: first major league team to put a mascot on their caps.

506
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: It only lasts for a little bit because, like I

507
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: think two years later they say, man, mascot, that's really

508
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: that's busy, you know, that's just the design is complicated.

509
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: Let's just put a D on there, D for Detroit,

510
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: just to D this is the big D. Give them

511
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: the big D, y'all. That's all we need for Detroit.

512
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's still what they rock to this day.

513
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: But also as an additional note, if it's nineteen oh

514
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: one American League just did this off off top a head,

515
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: that would be their first season too. So they walked

516
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: in there because this is what we're doing. They're coming

517
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 2: in a loud and processsh and I believe they're also

518
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: using that sick, classic old English font, that kind of Gothic,

519
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: kind of very seraphy font. And that's the thing that

520
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: is the very definition of branding. Taking a letter that

521
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: belongs to literally everyone, yeah, and making it yours and

522
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: making it associate, you know, with you and your whole thing.

523
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: That is brilliant and everybody couldn't do that. You know.

524
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you had to be kind of first to

525
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 2: market to be able to claim the D.

526
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: We could do it like we.

527
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: Get the A here in Atlanta, and that people say it.

528
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: When people say the A, they are referring to Atlanta.

529
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: That's also how we know you're not from here.

530
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: But that's also true.

531
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: But people do say that outside also Hotlanta.

532
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: We don't like that, y'all.

533
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: We don't think it's funny. It's a big cringe.

534
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: If you're a band and you say Hotlanta, right, those

535
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: sounds emanating from the audience, and they're they're they're cringes.

536
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: A friend of mine she got back into online dating,

537
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: and she told me that the most obnoxious like online

538
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: dating is apparently a minefield. I've never done it, as

539
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: you guys know, but like she was telling me that

540
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: she had learned these weird red flags, and one of

541
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: them dating in Atlanta was when a guy she was

542
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: going to meet was like, I love the atl Atlanta.

543
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: It's like one you're not from here too. I don't

544
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: think we get along.

545
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: I will say atl in texts and as an abbreviation,

546
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: but I'll also say NYC or LA or SF. But

547
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: I wouldn't speak SF out loud or say ATL out loud.

548
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: These are shorthands for brevity. San fran Sand's even worse.

549
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, let's get to Jim Lilllyfores and ball Cap Nation,

550
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: a journey through the world of America's national hat, national hat.

551
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: That's great.

552
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: He gives a lot of reasons to the rising popularity

553
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: of the baseball hat and its adoption as like we

554
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: were talking about at the top of the show, more

555
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: of a lifestyle brand. Yeah.

556
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the big question, right. We know it

557
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: has functionality for baseball players, we know it functions on

558
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: several levels. But why did it become a thing? Why

559
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: do the majority of people buying and war baseball caps

560
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: now have nothing to do with baseball?

561
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 3: It's this is weird.

562
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same reason that smoking became popular. Because, yeah,

563
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: because baseball hits television. Television is invented by Philip Farnsworth.

564
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: He never really gets credit for it, but television explodes,

565
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: and so does the American obsession with baseball. Now you

566
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: can watch it, you don't have to drive into town.

567
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: So folks began wanting that association we're talking about. We

568
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: want to show support for our teams through their hats.

569
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: It's being depicted as cool. Also, baseball caps start going

570
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: to other non sports shows on television and in film.

571
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: Tom Selleck has a baseball cap on Magnum p I

572
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: mcgiver has a baseball cap. And mcguiver's awesome guys.

573
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: He has mode. He does all kind There was this

574
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: one episode. I've probably talked about this before, maybe when

575
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: mcgiver came up with this one episode. It's burned into

576
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: my memory. He does something to the like junction box

577
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: at a at a busy intersection where he opens it

578
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: up and like monkeys with it a little bit, and

579
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: it causes a giant pilotup accident, and he's doing it

580
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: to create a diversion. And I'm just like mcguy for

581
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: that is not cool. He could have hurt some minist

582
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: and bystanders. Of course, nobody gets hurt. But he didn't know.

583
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought that was a little bit an

584
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: anarchist cookbook of him.

585
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I like that reference stool. Yeah, mcguiver.

586
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot to say about him. He also did

587
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: clearly continue like propagating interest in the baseball cap.

588
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 2: There were pilots right, you know, specifically in pop culture,

589
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: like Tom Cruise, the coolest guy around at the time.

590
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Even now, every single Marvel movie character who needs to

591
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: travel incognito or in disguise, they've got a baseball cap

592
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: and sunglasses. Take that, Clark Kent. Yeah, same with celebrities

593
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: in general.

594
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: You'll often see like paparazzi photos, you know, on TMZ

595
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: or whatever of like, you know, Nick Nolty, what am

596
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: I saying, Nick Nolty, what is it at the airport?

597
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: You know, with a hat like a like a baseball

598
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: cap and sunware. Michael Jackson used to do it. I

599
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: mean it was pretty much the disguise Derrek Gore. But

600
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: it makes sense functionally for that too, because you can

601
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: pull that brim down and it shadows your face.

602
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, Anthony Mackie, I think we were we were

603
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: flying out of Texas or.

604
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: Something that's on the plane, and he was certainly wearing

605
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: a hat.

606
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: So there's also another thing that occurs in this midiu.

607
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: In the nineteen sixties, agriculture companies start saying, hey, this

608
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: is this could be another business card for us. This

609
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: is a great way to advertise stuff like John Deere.

610
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And today those.

611
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: That hipsters will end up wearing them ironically later.

612
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: And they'll still pay money. Because money is spent ironically

613
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: or unronically, still much still matters.

614
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: So just like an action done long enough ironically just

615
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: becomes a thing you do right.

616
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: And that's why agricultural companies are the basis of what

617
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: we call trucker hats today, which are sort of a

618
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: kissing cousin of the baseball cat, like alligators, crocodiles, crows, ravens,

619
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: the very very similar. And so with this the cap

620
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: becomes more and more mainstream and the men and women

621
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: start to play with it for style. This is where you, oh,

622
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it. This is just for the

623
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: like the four of us because we're not a visual podcast,

624
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: but this is where you get it turned to the

625
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: side and like it looks like.

626
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: With your hands on your headphones like that, it just

627
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: like you're making some sick beats.

628
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: You're ready to like spit some fire bars.

629
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: But that's the thing though, I mean in hip hop

630
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: culture too, the hat and the baseball hat, whether it

631
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: be sports related or just kind of like cool streetwear

632
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: brand related, it is a huge part of that uniform.

633
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: And not to mention that like a lot of British

634
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: urban Britage kids also developed, you know, started wearing it

635
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: around the time of like grime music and a lot

636
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: of the kind of electronic hip hop stuff, kind of

637
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: crossover stuff of the early two thousands and beyond in

638
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 2: the UK.

639
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, And that point about musicians is excellent.

640
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: Punk rockers are wearing baseball hats. Grunge singers in the

641
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: nineties are wearing baseball hats. Pop stars are showing up

642
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: to seeing the national anthem with surprise baseball cap. It's

643
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: just the marketing is there, and this means that it

644
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: gets incredibly popular. It starts to fragment as people take

645
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: their own spin on this. And that's why now in

646
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: general and we get this. According to our good friends

647
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: at Vogue, there are four major types of baseball hat.

648
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: We've named each of them kind of in the course

649
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: of this episode.

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00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: What is there.

651
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: There's snap back, adjustable, flex fit, fitted, full disclosure, or

652
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: pal nol has an example of all of these. Because

653
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: you're a man of many hats, I like hats, and

654
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking back, you know, and researching this episode

655
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: about like when did I make the conscious decision to

656
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: become a hat guy, Like a baseball hat guy. And

657
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: I remember around roughly around the time, and it wasn't

658
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: because of anything functional. I just decided one day I

659
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: was playing in bands and stuff like I'm gonna be

660
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: a guy that wears hats. And for a long time

661
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: I had really long hair too, and I think the

662
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: hat started entering my life when I cut my hair short,

663
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, before I had my long hair,

664
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: that was my thing, and now I've got hats so

665
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: and I've never looked back. I've probably got dozens, and

666
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I've got examples of all of these. The flex fit

667
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: is a fun one that I don't have very many of,

668
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: but it's sort of a stretch here hat that would

669
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: maybe be considered a little sporty or something that's weather proof,

670
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, for like hiking and better at soaking up

671
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: sweat and not staining, you know, the fabric stuff like that.

672
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: Vined kind of somebody to associate with, like an active

673
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: wear brand like Lululemon or something. And Max and I

674
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: were talking off here too. I was a little bit

675
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: surprised because I came in hot, and I was like, Max,

676
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: this is gonna be such a great episode, bro, You're

677
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: gonna love this. How many baseball caps do you own?

678
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: And for anybody who has not had the immense privilege

679
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: of seeing our friend Max in person, the guy's got long,

680
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: shiny locks of hair. It's very lustrous.

681
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was telling Ben, I'm like, yeah, I have

682
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: hat somewhere, but I haven't cut my hair in five years,

683
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: so it's like I can't really wear a hat.

684
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess put it down. I cook, well,

685
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: a hat with a ponytail is definitely a vibe.

686
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: Brother, I'm just sure to put that out.

687
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: That's very much a choice because you got to thread

688
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: it through the back.

689
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a real thing.

690
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: That's something I can see our long time friend Alan

691
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 4: Finkbeiner doing absolutely absolutely.

692
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: Oh man, Alan, I hope you're enjoying your retirement.

693
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: Alan was our it's been our mutual Sweetwater Sound representative

694
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: collectively for about twenty years.

695
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: He's candy without having to buy a gear. No, we

696
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: got some gear.

697
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: That's what they do.

698
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: They always appreciate it.

699
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: And we will give you a hat if you want.

700
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: What should give ridiculous history hats.

701
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: That'd be great, get old rest bututant on one. I'd

702
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: wear that, but with then the fitted hat. You know

703
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: what you're wearing, Ben, That is that is also a

704
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: fitted hat is kind of considered maybe a more high

705
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: end baseball hat because it's a specific size. So oftentimes

706
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: you've got to go to a place that has lots

707
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: of different options. There's going to be a little bit

708
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: more expensive. They're really durable. I only have like one

709
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: or two. I think one of them is a Supreme

710
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: hat and it has a baseball tie in. I am

711
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 2: not a sports fan, so I don't wear baseball hats

712
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: or sports hats. This is the only thing. But I

713
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: just really got it because of the logo and the colorway.

714
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm a big Supreme fan, big Vans hat fan.

715
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 3: And I just I like those. What are those ones

716
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: with the animals on them?

717
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: Ben? You have one? To Goren brothers have a handful

718
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: of those. Those are fun, But I just think it's

719
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: a fun way to accessorize. You know, I was blessed

720
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: with perfect eye sights, so I can't wear glasses, so

721
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: I gotta wear hats.

722
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: You can still wear glasses if you want.

723
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that's sort of like wearing a hat.

724
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: And we'll stop a lot of people.

725
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: Jersey if you're not really a follower of that scene.

726
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I will, I will do that. That is one of

727
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: the This is like a bowling key to insulating or like,

728
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound insidious, but to

729
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 1: fitting in in a strange place, especially in the United States,

730
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: if you want to fit in, no matter your demographic,

731
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: wear something from the local sports team and they'll be like,

732
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: he gets it.

733
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: That's a good one. And oftentimes too you'll like in

734
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: the movie Drive, for example, when you know there's a

735
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: huge kind of chase sequence or he's running from the

736
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: cops in the very first sequence of the film, which

737
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: is great. When he finally does his getaway, he parks

738
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: his car at La Dodgers Stadium and gets out right

739
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: as all of the sports fans are leaving the game.

740
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 2: He's been listening to it on the radio the whole

741
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: time and gets there right as the crowd's letting out,

742
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 2: and then he puts on on LA Dodgers of course

743
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: he does.

744
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: Also. Drive is a great film, and I have been

745
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: leaning hard on dressing as the protagonist to Drive. Whenever

746
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm lazy. Come a Halloween.

747
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, you got that jacket with the scorpion

748
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: and the leather fingerless gloves. All you need now is

749
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: a hammer. I'm sure you got a couple of those

750
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: laying around. All right, Well, this is not a court,

751
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: so we're not going to answer that. What about what

752
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: about the snapback? I'm confused between the difference between snapback

753
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: and adjustable. They seem like they're a little bit the same.

754
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: But I think maybe snapback literally is the plasticky, you know,

755
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: buttony thing snap yeah. Other, Yes, the other one might

756
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: be one with fabric that you have to cinch through

757
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: a little a little buckle belts.

758
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: Belt for your head belts, yeah, a head belt. Finally,

759
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: this this stuff is so popular right now that if

760
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: we fast forward, even though we're a history show, if

761
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: we fast forward to the future, we can tell you

762
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: that despite a global pandemic, the global the world baseball

763
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: cap market was seventeen point ninety billion dollars in twenty

764
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: twenty one. By twenty twenty nine, it's going to be

765
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: twenty five point six four billion dollars. And there is

766
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: one company in particular that is super happy about that

767
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: news because they are making a lot of that money.

768
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: That's right. Since nineteen ninety three, the new era cap

769
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: company in Buffalo, New York, has been the exclusive cap

770
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 2: provider for Major League Baseball. So there's money in them.

771
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Is money in those crowds.

772
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

773
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: I have a hard time with monopolies. I think we

774
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: all do. It reminds me of like the one place

775
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: that gets the mud for baseballs. Sure, so I'm talking

776
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: about I guess.

777
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: So I guess that has made the mud by having

778
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: wet cleats.

779
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

780
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's like a secret it's mud from a secret location.

781
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: No joke, no joke.

782
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: This is Max. You're nodding, right, this is true.

783
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm just gonna take a shot a new era.

784
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: That's all I was gonna do. Shot.

785
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: Take it, take a shot.

786
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 4: So so new era. This goes to the monopoly thing.

787
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 4: Last year, the Atlanta Braves had a new home run celebration.

788
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 4: You guys seeing those hilariously big hats. So you put

789
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 4: it on and it's like this big it's a massive hat,

790
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: his hands very far apart. Yes, yes, just type in

791
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: on a Brian Robinson big hat. He's a running back

792
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 4: for the Washington Commanders. And so the brands were wearing

793
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 4: these home runs and then new eras like.

794
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: You can't wear that because it's not our hats.

795
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: Make one, may make.

796
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: One then yeah, also era, Also the baseball mud thing

797
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: is true. Maybe that's a story for.

798
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: A future episode for sure. Well, speaking of stories to

799
00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: maybe round out this.

800
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: Episod, Yeah, we've talked about all the different types of hats.

801
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: People may be screaming at their podcast device saying what

802
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: about them trucker hats? What's the difference? I mean that's

803
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: what got me started, honestly too. I'm remembering now when

804
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: I started wearing hats. It was in an era where

805
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: there were a lot of like kind of cool bands

806
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: from like Athens, like the Drive By Truckers and like

807
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: bands like Granddaddy that were rock and trucker hats pretty

808
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: hard Will co. Yeah, it was just a vibe at

809
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: the time, So I think I was like, I want

810
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: to be on that, you know, hipster train. It's a

811
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: good vibe.

812
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 3: It is a good vibe. But the trucker hat it's

813
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: sort of very much.

814
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: Like the baseball hat, but it just has a plastic

815
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: kind of mesh back to it. And that's right. And

816
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: you also see some of these design choices being used

817
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: in what would be considered basically the lines can be blurry.

818
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: I think it's such a it's it's like the what

819
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: is a sandwich question?

820
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: That's one we still don't know.

821
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: We still uh And I actually I read a mathematical

822
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: paper about the definition of a sandwich.

823
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: God's work.

824
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: This job is so weird. But uh but yeah, these

825
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: these hats are these hats I saw, like that guy,

826
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: what was that movie? Stand and deliver these kids and

827
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: I know that one he saves the school.

828
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: I think that's so thank you.

829
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: So the uh, the Edward James almost it's all coming

830
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: back to me. You remember him, the actor.

831
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: He was Edward James almost a pretty good actor. Oh wow,

832
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: oh wow, he's actually good. I had to do it.

833
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: But you know, those those design features of the the

834
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: humble trucker hat, we're all created for specific reasons. It

835
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: feels functions like the mesh was for breatheability. The foam

836
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: added a little bit of structure and stability and also

837
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: makes the hat keep its shape. Also gives a nice

838
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: solid foundation. They're they're taller trucker. Trucker hats are typically

839
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: a little bit high, high higher above your your forehead,

840
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: and the foam also gave a nice solid foundation for

841
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: the logos. And again, much like that, I would consider

842
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 2: the John Deere type hats that we're talking about earlier

843
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: to be more in the vein of a trucker hat.

844
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: Sure they were, those were.

845
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: Meant to be worn by workmen, you know, like a

846
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 3: Carhart hat.

847
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: That's yeah, yeah, isn't it funny how car Hearts now

848
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: also become this weird lifestyle I'm wearing No, I'm not

849
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: wearing a car hert hat right now. But there's like

850
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: there's car Heart stores in like Soho in New York.

851
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's a total hipster mecca kind of brand.

852
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: You see it the celebrities all the time.

853
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: That takes us to the larger thing. We see this

854
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: in food and cuisine as well. I'm just very excited

855
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: about some barbecue ler today. It's which is the thing

856
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: that would be considered traditionally working class or even lower class,

857
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: it becomes elevated, it becomes hoot cuisine like uh, like

858
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: New York went through this whole Ballooney sandwich phase. And

859
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: and we see that, I argue in fashion as well.

860
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: Plused up trash food or trash fashion.

861
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then you had like Von Dutch, you know,

862
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 2: all of these kind of big like hip La brands

863
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: or whatever. I mean, arguably hip. I think they're kind

864
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: of done now, but there was a big period of

865
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: time where like justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and that

866
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: whole set, we're wearing these Von Dutch hats which were

867
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: trucker hats. I think it's actually a documentary about the

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Speaker 2: rise and fall of that company. I think something weird happened,

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Speaker 2: like the owners or the founders were like sketchy in

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Speaker 2: some way. But point is the other feature is the

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Speaker 2: snappy snap thing that makes it adjustable because you know

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Speaker 2: some some truckers heads are bigger than others. Yes, yes

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Speaker 2: I'm not a trucker, but I typically have to wear

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Speaker 2: my snappy snaps on, like the last two snaps. I

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Speaker 2: got a pretty big noggin.

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Speaker 1: So this is that that goes back to the idea

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Speaker 1: of one size fits all. It means you can buy

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Speaker 1: there's another ubiquity or another advantage to the baseball cap

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Speaker 1: in general. Outside of the fitted, A lot of these

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Speaker 1: will be adjustable for old host any headsize. So you

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Speaker 1: can be a kid who wants to rep your your

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Speaker 1: team and your heroes, and that that hat can fit YouTube,

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Speaker 1: which is really cool. Even it's super cute. You know,

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Speaker 1: when it looks like kind of big.

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Speaker 2: Kind of big, I think it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you got this little guy.

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Speaker 3: It's not considered like embarrassing or off working.

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Speaker 1: It's cool, it's endearing. And so with that, of course,

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Speaker 1: we're I think we've done a good job of not

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Speaker 1: fanboying too much about hats.

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Speaker 3: I love hats.

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Speaker 1: We also know, thankfully that we are not getting Max

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Speaker 1: a baseball hat for his birthday. I thought Max with

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Speaker 1: the hats, I thought it was a real I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a real home run. But but I was incorrect. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we hope you.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyly walk that one in. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Max turned off his camera and then turned it back

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Speaker 1: onto Layer at me for that one. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for the sound cue boy. I also can't wait for

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Speaker 1: our next episode this week, where we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about one of the most continually fascinating presidents in the

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Speaker 1: history of the United States, the one and only, famously

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Speaker 1: uh famously talkative Calvin Coolidge.

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Speaker 2: Accent on the cool yes, yes accent.

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Speaker 1: He's the coolest Calvin in town. Uh, he's probably heard.

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Speaker 3: Calvin Klein was literative.

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Speaker 2: That was great.

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Speaker 1: You've also probably heard of the religion that was started

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Speaker 1: just to worship this guy, Calvinism. Don't fat check us fat, big, big,

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Speaker 1: big thanks to super producer mister Max Williams. Big big

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Speaker 1: thanks of course to uh a special announcement. We dragged

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Speaker 1: this guy so hard, but big big sincere shout out

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Speaker 1: to our dear friend Jonathan Strickland aka the Quist. Nobody

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Speaker 1: tell him we were nice to him, not even once

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Speaker 1: on the show. Okay, that dies with us.

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Speaker 2: Huge nights Chris Frosciotis and his fresh wizard Beard here

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Speaker 2: in spirit, Eves, Jeff Codes, Geez, Alex Williams, who composed

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Speaker 2: this banging theme. Max again, I don't remember if we

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Speaker 2: do already. You know the thanks is ever present for you,

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Speaker 2: Max and comes directly from our hearts and to you. Ben.

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Speaker 3: This is a fun one.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, right back at you. I am gonna do

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Speaker 1: the joke again because it's so horrible. Well thanks to

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Speaker 1: our research associates as well. I think this episode was

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Speaker 1: a home run.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts

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Speaker 2: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 2: you listen to your favorite shows,