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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone podcast presented by by Star Credit Union,

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Speaker 1: featuring Jaguars senior writer John Osher and executive producer Dave

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Speaker 1: decandis this week's guest. I think most Jaguars fans who

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Speaker 1: have followed this team for a long time know him,

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Speaker 1: but maybe people don't know him quite that well. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't been a full time starter his whole career. Hasn't

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Speaker 1: been a pro Bowl front line, always on the interview guy.

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Speaker 1: But what he has been is a rock solid part

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Speaker 1: of the defensive line rotation, a key leader on this team.

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Speaker 1: And finally, he is a leader in the sense of

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Speaker 1: being a captain this year. I'm talking about nose tackle

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Speaker 1: Avery Jones. It's a guy who gives a great interview,

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Speaker 1: great personality. I think people are going to enjoy it. Avery, welcome,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. And I am talking to you for

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Speaker 1: the first time as Jaguars captain. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Do you assume knowing you that that means a lot? Uh,

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Speaker 1: it means a great deal. I mean I've been here

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Speaker 1: for years, as you know people would know, and I've had,

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Speaker 1: i guess the privilege to be behind some great leaders.

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Speaker 1: Roy Miller Moleague Coles saying buzz is always a great one. Uh. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was able to be behind them, we'll

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Speaker 1: follow them as they led the teams in the past

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and getting the loss of so

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Speaker 1: many people that we had on this team and just

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Speaker 1: being so one of the things that hasn't changed. I

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Speaker 1: really felt like it was my year to really step

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Speaker 1: up and take on that mantle. And talking to you

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Speaker 1: over the years, I can imagine that when you first

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Speaker 1: walked in the door in two thousand thirteen, which is

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Speaker 1: a long time ago now, Avery, it's uh, I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine that you ever thought at that point that this

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Speaker 1: day would come. Mean, that's a long, long journey to

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Speaker 1: become a leader, and that's pretty rare in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I guess how proud of you or how proud are

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Speaker 1: you of the longevity, the perseverance all of those things,

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Speaker 1: because that's not always the case in the NFL. It

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Speaker 1: can be a short career. Oh most definitely. I Mean

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Speaker 1: when I came in, I was thinking, maybe I just

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Speaker 1: get me like a couple of years on practice squad

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Speaker 1: and find a way to really make my niche in

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Speaker 1: the league. You know, get with a team and you know,

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Speaker 1: live out my dreams and you know, stuff you think

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Speaker 1: about coming through high school and stuff like that. But once, uh,

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Speaker 1: once I saw I was actor roster from the get go,

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Speaker 1: I was really just starting to see this is something

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Speaker 1: I can do. This is I can really make a

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Speaker 1: career out of this, and uh, I just gotta work

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Speaker 1: hard for it. So I mean, I'm extremely happy. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's changed my life for the most. Uh got

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Speaker 1: to live out my dreams playing for an NFL team,

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Speaker 1: being an NFL player, and uh, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: how it's really hard to putting work. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: come in and you know how the league is. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're outside the door, it's all glitz and glamorous,

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Speaker 1: and you come in and you really see how much

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Speaker 1: of a business and how cutthroat they can be. And

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Speaker 1: for you to be able to stand eight years later,

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Speaker 1: still in the same spot looking around the locker room

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Speaker 1: was like I knew. I remember when he came in.

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Speaker 1: I remember when he came in. I remember when he

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Speaker 1: used to be numbered whatever and stuff like that. It's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's really big, and you know, sometimes I

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Speaker 1: might get I don't want to take the placing, but

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Speaker 1: you know, just feel like it's the norm. And then

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Speaker 1: we'll get new people to the team and I'll talk

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Speaker 1: to them and they asked me how long I've been

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Speaker 1: in the league. I'm like eight. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: the next question is always like all here, and I'm

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Speaker 1: like yeah, And you know, once I was sailing like

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Speaker 1: you know, they've all been here. It's really just a

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Speaker 1: look goes in the eyes and has really just shown

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Speaker 1: like how big of accomplishment this is. For um, You've

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Speaker 1: come a long way from Rby Jones. Right, Oh man,

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Speaker 1: the locker was spelled day one. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: that happened. It was spelled that way in the locker. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When I first got here, my first day of locker

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Speaker 1: But they, you know, I guess it was an honest mistake. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think I misspelled it in the first story that

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Speaker 1: but I didn't realize that. I mean, it's it's obviously

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Speaker 1: an easy mistake. Avery's not an incredibly common name Arby's

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Speaker 1: mean that just shows you they really didn't know who

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Speaker 1: I've been fighting my whole life. So I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I tell him, whenever I get a chance, you know, hopeful.

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Speaker 1: I told him that afternoon. It happened like aufter a day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the hope you do making those things,

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Speaker 1: but it was fast about it. I appreciate that. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the biggest reason is avery that you've

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Speaker 1: been able to last is long? Really stay healthy? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's part of it. But there's got to

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Speaker 1: be a professionalism, a daily routine that you have because

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Speaker 1: you see a lot of guys who come in who

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Speaker 1: you just sort of keep going. Is there a key

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much what it comes down to.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that helped me on

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Speaker 1: could speaking back, you know, and that type of thing

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Speaker 1: builds confidence and coaches. When you know the lingo and

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Speaker 1: you can talk properly, you don't mess up on and

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Speaker 1: feel things like that. And I think another plus is

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Speaker 1: just my side. You know, I play knows, but I

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Speaker 1: can also play three technique I played in I played

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Speaker 1: just went down. So I think, you know, just go

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Speaker 1: back to the old adage of the more you can do,

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Speaker 1: the better. So I always try to make your models

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Speaker 1: to be a nice little Swiss uh Swiss army knife

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Speaker 1: for the D line. I got you something interesting, and

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Speaker 1: I want to get to obviously this team and your

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Speaker 1: better perspective on where a team is at than anybody.

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Speaker 1: But something you said in your first media availability about

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Speaker 1: the COVID stuff really stood out. When you were asked

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Speaker 1: about if you thought that the team would make it through.

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Speaker 1: I forget the warning of the question, but your message

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Speaker 1: was basically, the older guys were telling younger guys, this

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Speaker 1: the rules. How much of a message was that if

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm getting at, just hey, young guys,

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Speaker 1: I mean this stuff we talked about really daily in

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Speaker 1: you love ball or you love getting paid. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh both. And my thing is just you know, trying

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Speaker 1: do everything to protect yourself because protecting yourself is gonna

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Speaker 1: there's ways to do it. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: things like that. To protect yourself because this is your

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Speaker 1: read things. Everybody's talking about this team, everybody's talking about Tank,

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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna believe that you don't see what

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Speaker 1: People might be thinking out loud, might be talking out loud,

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Speaker 1: just thinking that the production is gonna go down in

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Speaker 1: to tell them, like, you know, we got a playmakers

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Speaker 1: still here. I know there's been a lot of fan

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Speaker 1: and Yon being gone. I've told him, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's no more one on ones, like they're scheming on

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Speaker 1: And you know we got new guys in with Adam,

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Speaker 1: nobody's thinking about themselves. There's a wee element, you know.

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Speaker 1: I get the fans think that's a cliche, but that

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Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen team that surprised people sort of had that.

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Speaker 1: It was before a lot of the egos took over.

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Speaker 1: Nobody thought that team was doing anything. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it's gonna repeat two thousand seventeen, but it feels like

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Speaker 1: things are going in the right direction in terms of attitude,

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Speaker 1: and I think Avery reflected that a lot when we

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Speaker 1: talk to him. Just now, Yeah, that's funny you mentioned

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Speaker 1: two thousands seventeen. I've been kind of having that feel

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Speaker 1: as well. I'm not sure you can repeat the season

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Speaker 1: they had, but just as far as kind of everybody

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Speaker 1: was down on the team outside me, outside the team,

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Speaker 1: there was a whole lot of hope, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, they come out against Houston, and and

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Speaker 1: did what they did, and and then you know, and

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Speaker 1: then it seemed like a switch flip with that team

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Speaker 1: and was like, Okay, they believed in they knew everything,

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Speaker 1: they felt that the direct and was right. But now

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Speaker 1: they both really believed it was confirmed by the way

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Speaker 1: they beat Houston. And you kind of wonder if is

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Speaker 1: there a game like that for this team where all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden everything will just click and then the

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Speaker 1: switch flips of the team and go, Okay, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of rookies on the team and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So that's another thing to overcome. Um. But

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Speaker 1: going back to Abery, I think it's it's a testament

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Speaker 1: to who he is that he was selected captain after

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Speaker 1: eight years and eight years of being essentially a role

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Speaker 1: player on this team. Last year was a starter, but

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Speaker 1: he's much more of a rotational guy because of positioning plays.

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Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about him, his personality

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Speaker 1: and what the team thinks of him. Yeah, and it

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Speaker 1: kind of closed. I was fascinated when he said it.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating when he came back and talked about it. His

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Speaker 1: first quote this training camp when he talked about COVID,

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Speaker 1: and it was very pointed that they had told younger guys, Look,

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Speaker 1: this isn't just about you, pal, this is about the team.

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Speaker 1: This is about people's families around on here. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: Avery kind of talks like an old man's only twenty

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Speaker 1: or twenty nine, but within the context of the NFL,

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Speaker 1: he is an experienced guy, and we've talked about in

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Speaker 1: the podcast a couple of times. I think that is

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Speaker 1: lost sometimes with fans. How seriously guys take this how

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Speaker 1: much they wanted and frankly, how much they want to

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Speaker 1: get paid. You know, if something breaks down and you

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Speaker 1: start costing guys their health and their careers. I think

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Speaker 1: Avery's point a couple of times I've hear him talk

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Speaker 1: about it is that's not gonna be cool. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be like you can you know, saunter

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Speaker 1: into the locker room next day and everything's gonna be

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Speaker 1: all right. Look, you knew about this beforehand. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to be the guy getting mentally stick. You don't

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Speaker 1: mean the guy's teening your teammates Deick. And again, I

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Speaker 1: thought it was interesting that Avery said that early on,

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Speaker 1: and I was sort of willing to put that out there.

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Speaker 1: An example of why he's a team leader, and you

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Speaker 1: know he's always willing to be honest and always willing

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Speaker 1: to sort of I think let people inside the uh

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Speaker 1: I guess behind the NFL wall, if you will. So again,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate him being with us. I always appreciated Day,

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Speaker 1: appreciate dual fortunate of making this thing sound a lot

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Speaker 1: better than I'm capable of making a sound. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate everybody being with us. I don't think this one sucked,

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Speaker 1: and we'll try to be better next week