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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's a Wednesday, It's

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Speaker 1: our one Dan and the Dan as Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 1: A lot of topics to dive into today. A little

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Speaker 1: special treat for you coming up final hour. They were

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Speaker 1: the Stars and Happy Gilmore, Shooter McGavin he's known as

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Speaker 1: Christopher McDonald, and Adam Sandler will join us the twenty

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Speaker 1: fifth anniversary of that great movie Happy Gilmore. Eight seven

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Speaker 1: seven three, DP Show email ADDRESSDPA, Dan Pattrick dot com,

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Speaker 1: best wishes to Tiger today and if you were following

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Speaker 1: the news early yesterday afternoon, there were some pretty scary

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Speaker 1: moments there. We knew there was a serious car accident,

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Speaker 1: but that was about it, and then the relief came

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Speaker 1: that the entries were not life threatening. We always think

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Speaker 1: of athletes there's this aura of invincibility. They're larger than life,

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Speaker 1: they do things we can't hard to imagine them being vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: But time and time again we've learned that that's not

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Speaker 1: the case with just Tiger, but with other athletes, and

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Speaker 1: Tiger himself has provided that lesson on multiple occasions, and

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Speaker 1: for all of his wealth, for all of his fame,

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Speaker 1: his personal issues well documented. Everything that's happened to him

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Speaker 1: and everything that's happened because of him has played out

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Speaker 1: in the public's eye. It's extremely tough to watch at times,

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Speaker 1: and it certainly was yesterday, and it's still way, way

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Speaker 1: too early to talk about Tiger's golf future. This was

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Speaker 1: about Tiger the person yesterday, and it should be about

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Speaker 1: Tiger the person for the next probably three to six months,

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Speaker 1: not Tiger the golfer. You know, those trying hours on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Whether he plays again or not doesn't seem that important.

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Speaker 1: And I know that we want to advance the story.

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Speaker 1: We can't advance the story, and we're not going to

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Speaker 1: speculate on anything with Tiger Woods. That's not fair. That's

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Speaker 1: not what journalists do. We will not do that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he plays golf again, you will probably recall,

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Speaker 1: just hoping for one moment, a world reminder with Tiger

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Speaker 1: this was all about. Who he was all about, this

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Speaker 1: bigger than the sport of golf. When he's great, he's

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Speaker 1: and we saw that. We got that world reminder in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and that's all I wanted. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: You know, when Michael Jordan had his documentary, Michael couldn't

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Speaker 1: But yesterday worked in reverse order. For me, it was

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Speaker 1: about his life. Was he going to be alive. I

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Speaker 1: but he's already had his career to find. At worst,

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Speaker 1: And Jim nance asked him on Sunday, Hey, we're going

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Speaker 1: Everything that Tiger, you know, has had in front of him,

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Speaker 1: But this is about Tiger the person, not Tiger the golfer.

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Speaker 1: And yesterday was one of those reminders. They're people. And

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Speaker 1: he's had car accidents. He's had car situations, he's been

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Speaker 1: We got some headlines here that we'll dive into. Sounds

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Speaker 1: like Ben Roethlisberger plans on playing with the Steelers. I

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Speaker 1: last night? Yes? Point would you rather be Ben's and

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Speaker 1: you know that. The conversation about Ben Simmons is always way,

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Speaker 1: They have in that documentary where they're like, he hit

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why Ben coming back to the Steelers

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Speaker 1: next year and then the year after that, and the

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Speaker 1: longer you keep Ben, it feels it's like the longer

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Speaker 1: that process is going to be and probably will keep

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Speaker 1: you behind the Browns and keep you behind the Ravens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pull on paper, Ben Roethlisberger looks like a great quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Last year he was twelve and three as a starter,

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Speaker 1: four thousand yards low yards for him, thirty three touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: ten picks. He was sacked the fewest amount of times

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Speaker 1: of any quarterback in the league. Like, it looks fine

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Speaker 1: on paper, but like you said, when you watch it,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look fine. Well, it didn't help that he

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Speaker 1: had receivers who probably led the league in drops, but

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a hollow eleven and oh, I

435
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Speaker 1: think we all said that, and then it felt like

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Speaker 1: they got exposed when they started playing quality teams. Yeah, mclub. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I noticed on Twitter that Steelers fans seemed upset when

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Speaker 1: the news broke yesterday that the agent said we're gonna

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Speaker 1: make this work. It was a very negative reaction. But

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Speaker 1: this is a team that drafts well. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the game plan is for their quarterback like

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Speaker 1: that is I would love to know that at not

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Speaker 1: that they're going to tell you that, but i'd love

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Speaker 1: to know what is your strategy here moving forward after

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Speaker 1: this year? And maybe they're all in on Mason Rudolph,

446
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Speaker 1: but I think you got to have a little bit

447
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Speaker 1: bigger picture here than just let's bring back Ben for

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Speaker 1: you know, farewell tour. Yeah, McClellan, do you put quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: like Todd asks about Drew Locke or Sam Darnold? Do

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Speaker 1: they are they sort of borderline anyway, so they don't

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Speaker 1: belong in a pull like this, Like I mean, Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold in the same situation as Jimmy g Well. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a tough decision for the Jets with Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold because if you had the first pick, Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: would not be the Jets quarterback. But you have the

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Speaker 1: second pick. Now you have to decide what can we

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Speaker 1: get for this pick and or is it worth keeping

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Speaker 1: him and then taking the second best player in the draft,

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Speaker 1: or is somebody going to go up and they want

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Speaker 1: that second overall pick. I mean, that's the way I

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Speaker 1: would approach it. But I believe in Sam Darnold. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a very good athlete. I think he's just

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Speaker 1: been with a bad team, bad coach, interchangeable parts there.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see what he does with I'd love

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Speaker 1: to see Sam Darnold in San Francisco and see what

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Speaker 1: he does there. And he'd probably liked to see himself

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco's well, or with Pittsburgh. Those are the

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Speaker 1: two teams that I keep thinking, maybe that's where Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold ends up. But if I'm the Jets, is Zach

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Speaker 1: Wilson an upgrade over Sam Darnold. We always love what

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Speaker 1: we don't know about. He's cheaper, though, and that factors

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Speaker 1: in as well, because if I restart the quarterback clock,

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Speaker 1: that's really important if I'm building a young team, because

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Speaker 1: urban Meyer is not taking Jacksonville if he doesn't get

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. In my opinion, if you said they had

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Speaker 1: the number two pick in the draft, I really wonder

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Speaker 1: if urban Meyer would have taken that job. If you said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can have Justin Fields. I don't think he takes

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Speaker 1: that job. I think they have a lot of salary

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Speaker 1: cap room. I don't think the pressure is anywhere near

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Speaker 1: what it would be with a lot of these other franchises,

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Speaker 1: especially the Jets. And I think that urban Meyer looked

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Speaker 1: at Trevor Lawrence. I get to reset the clock with

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Speaker 1: my quarterback in his contract. Now we can build build

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Speaker 1: this team, and let's see if I stay around for

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Speaker 1: you know, the next four or five years. Yeah. Pull

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Speaker 1: back to Darnald. I was wondering. I know he can't

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Speaker 1: say it and would never say it. Do you think

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Speaker 1: he would if it was his choice, he would prefer

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Speaker 1: to be traded and get a fresh start, or stay

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Speaker 1: with the Jets and be built around. Well, where's he

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Speaker 1: traded to? Anybody but the New York Jets. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you say Pittsburgh, or you said San Francisco or the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Bear. Let's say the Chicago Bears. And Sam Darnald

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Speaker 1: had in his mind a pick, like a choice in

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Speaker 1: the matter, and the team said, we're gonna trade you

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Speaker 1: to the Chicago Bears. Would you be happy? Would you

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Speaker 1: rather stay with the Jets and be built around Well,

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Speaker 1: they tried to build around him. That's a tough one. Well,

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Speaker 1: I I like the front office, or now I don't

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Speaker 1: like the ownership, and we're going to find out about

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Speaker 1: you know, the head coaching position because I didn't think

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Speaker 1: Adam Gasee was a head coach. I don't know. If

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Speaker 1: I'm Sam Darnold, I'd probably like a new start. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Robert Sala comes in. He's a defensive minded

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Speaker 1: guy from San Francisco, and you know, you know you

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Speaker 1: want you want continuity. If you're a quarterback, who's my

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? My offensive line? Like those are really important?

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Speaker 1: And you know, does the head coach delegate to the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? Does he get involved in this? What kind

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Speaker 1: of style are we going to play? And I think

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Speaker 1: with the Jets you never figured that out. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think I would no science into this. But McKay Beckton

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Speaker 1: seems exciting. And they got Matt Laflour's brother to be

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Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. I'm seriously, Michael, okay, sound like he

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Speaker 1: sound like they're making that up. I think it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Matt Laflour's brother, Mike. Yeah, he's a little something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's time. Maybe he's just saying the right things for

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Speaker 1: pr reasons, but as recently as a month ago, he's

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Speaker 1: been saying that Donald I want to be a Jet

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Speaker 1: for life. It's quote very important to him. To stay

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Speaker 1: with the Jets. You know, I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: as to say that, Yeah, but I'd like to think

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Speaker 1: that he would prefer to stay with the team that

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Speaker 1: picked him and write it out and try to be

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Speaker 1: a hero in New York and turned the team around

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Speaker 1: instead of calling it to know you you have to

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Speaker 1: say that, you have to well do you have to

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Speaker 1: say that? And if they had the number one pick,

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Speaker 1: do you think they'd be backing Sam Donald answers no,

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Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold wouldn't say, Hey, I still hope to

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Speaker 1: be a Jet the rest of my career. He'd be like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where do you want to send me here?

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Speaker 1: But this is a franchise that just churns through head coaches.

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Speaker 1: I got seven head coaches in the last twenty years,

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Speaker 1: if my math is correct, Is that right, Paul, That's right?

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Speaker 1: Seven in two thousand hired Belichick. He was O for them.

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Speaker 1: Remember he didn't stick around undefeated. Yeah, imagine if they

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00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: kept him how much the league would have changed. But

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Speaker 1: alcro Herm Edwards, Eric man Genius, Rex, Ryan Todd Bowles,

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Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, Robert Salem in the past twenty years, Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: Rich kote was right before that. I remember that disaster.

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Speaker 1: I go back to Joe Walton. Yeah, he was like

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Speaker 1: a five hundred head coach. Rich Kotite was four and

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and two years Yeah, I covered the Jets

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Speaker 1: when when he was there? Did anyone care about the Jets?

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Speaker 1: Back then? They cared when Gastineau was there, Freeman McNeil

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Speaker 1: ken O'Brien was serviceable. You know, they had some star

549
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: power there. But but it was always weird to be around.

550
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: Joe Waltney wore his hat backwards. You know, we talk

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Speaker 1: about younger kids when they have their hat back where

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00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: here's just the head coach got his hat backwards all

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Speaker 1: the time. He's ever felt like a head coach. But

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00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: then the Jets feel like that's who they employ. Guys

555
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: just don't feel like a head coach there. All right,

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Speaker 1: what other poll question are you thinking about today? Well,

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Speaker 1: we have the All Star snubs. Do you want I

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00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: always gonna ask this. I think we're gonna put up

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Speaker 1: that quarterback, it's already up, But which guy would you

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Speaker 1: kick off the team? Are we allowed to ask that? Because,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we forgot that. Nikola Nicola Voutevic is

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Speaker 1: on the team. I guess it's because I need a center?

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Speaker 1: Is that why? Orlando Center? There's no way he's better

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Speaker 1: than you. Are you an All Star? If we can't

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Speaker 1: pronounce your name, Yeah, that's terrible, But like there was

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Speaker 1: Eastern European Center. He just had a triple double the

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Speaker 1: other night. But if that matters? Have you has anyone

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Speaker 1: have you tuned in order Orlando? Yes? Yeah, other than you,

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Speaker 1: I'm the only one who tunes into the Orlando Magic Games.

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Speaker 1: Is Nicholas Batum still there? I think he's somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Mobamba Mobamba is still running it Momba Yeah, yeah. I

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Speaker 1: like when they go, hey, Obama can shoot threes? I go,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd like for him to do some other things.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, friends, he's bogging me. You you

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Speaker 1: didn't really weigh in on Drew lock yet. Is he

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Speaker 1: are the Broncos all in there? Noxy? But he hasn't boxy.

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Speaker 1: He certainly hasn't proven that he's any kind of long

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00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: term answer. It's kind of throw him in the heap

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Speaker 1: with all the other Do you want to get rid

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Speaker 1: of him? You want to keep him? I was hoping

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Speaker 1: he would have progressed a lot from It's just yes.

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Speaker 1: I want to go all in on Deshaun Watson. Todd,

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Speaker 1: do you want it? Depends no, you're not getting depends

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Speaker 1: on who they can get. Are you? Are you okay

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Speaker 1: with Drew Luck? I will have to accept it. I'd

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Speaker 1: like them to aggressively pursue one of the big names

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Speaker 1: that maybe flor yes or no answer. I would be okay.

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Speaker 1: I would be okay with one more year with Drew

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Speaker 1: Lock to one more time? Do you want Drew Luck

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Speaker 1: as your quarterback? They should move on? Todd? It's yes,

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Speaker 1: I just on you didn't say yes? Certain I would

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Speaker 1: say no. All right, he had his chance and they're

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Speaker 1: not going. How many times did I ask? Thirty seconds

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Speaker 1: ago he said he's okay with one more year of

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Speaker 1: Drew Lock and then he's like, no, they should move on?

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00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: How many different answers can you give? Question? It's not

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: because these things aren't. Yes, you may fold on a

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00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: questioning lunatics. It doesn't. It depend on what other quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: are available with with all these teams as a concept,

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Speaker 1: do you want to move on from Drew Lock? How's that?

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Speaker 1: I think they should all thank you. It pains me

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Speaker 1: because I like his he's got that. Okay, you know

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Speaker 1: what play out about him as punishment. We're not talking

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Speaker 1: about the Broncos for two months, two months? Yes, what

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00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: happens when they get to Shawn Watson next week or two?

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Speaker 1: They're how gonna tell you? If they get to Shaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about him, but you can't. I can't no,

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Speaker 1: yees are we just going to check that two months

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Speaker 1: on to the eight months before that we've been not

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Speaker 1: talking about them too, and the four years before that

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Speaker 1: wall I think justin Simmers, they got to pay the guy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Todd. Let me take a break. We'll come

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Speaker 1: up with our play of the day. I got a

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Speaker 1: couple of stats of the day as well. Back after

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Speaker 1: the Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine

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Speaker 1: My God, The Place of the Day, My God. Play

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Speaker 1: this is the play on the day. Check this out, Dodge.

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Speaker 1: It's with six at five, at four at three, so

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Speaker 1: God with a ten to a second rebating has dodge

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Speaker 1: its nails. The game winner have the Mavericks, We'll win

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Speaker 1: it one ten to one seven MAVs Radio Network. Who

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Speaker 1: do the Celtics think was going to shoot it when

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Speaker 1: it got under six seconds? Good God? This drives me crazy.

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Speaker 1: Luca hits the game winner mAbs, who won six of

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Speaker 1: their last seven. Luca average just about twenty nine, eight

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Speaker 1: and a half and nine assist per game this season.

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Speaker 1: had piled out with us. Play the day. I know,

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Speaker 1: but I just don't understand it. When it got to

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Speaker 1: six seconds, five seconds, you run somebody at him. It

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Speaker 1: just reminded me of Game four last year's playoffs with

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Speaker 1: the Clippers. Game winners step back three from the left wing.

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Speaker 1: Hello all right, oh, I have a stat of the

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Speaker 1: day here. On last night, the Nuggets committed just one turnover,

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Speaker 1: so they almost threw a perfect game against Portland. That's

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Speaker 1: the few was by a team in an NBA game

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Speaker 1: all time and one turnover in the game. Jamal Murray

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Speaker 1: I think had a turnover. They you know, when they

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Speaker 1: started keeping track of turnovers in the NBA nineteen seventy.

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Speaker 1: Like I never understood that. Like sacks, they only go

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Speaker 1: back to the nineteen eighties, I believe, but turnovers, ay

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Speaker 1: go back to nineteen seventy and the Nuggets committed one

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Speaker 1: turnover last night. That is the fewest all time in

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Speaker 1: an NBA game. Stat of the day, sat of the day,

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Speaker 1: That beast out of the day, stat of the day?

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Speaker 1: Here comes that what stat of the day. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been great to play in the sixties when they

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Speaker 1: weren't keeping track of turnovers. So when you go to

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Speaker 1: renegotiate your contract, you're like, hey, hadn't no turnovers last year?

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Speaker 1: Check the stats. I had no turnovers. You you can't

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Speaker 1: complain to your point guards. Stinks because he's turned the ball.

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Speaker 1: No proof, no turners. Yeah. See, It's like imagine if

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Speaker 1: in baseball they didn't keep track of strikeouts, be like man,

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Speaker 1: I would have been awesome. Well, I gotten like a

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Speaker 1: you know, d one college scholarship. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they really do keep track of strikeouts in baseball,

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Speaker 1: certainly when it comes to hitters, like hey, you struck

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Speaker 1: out two hundred day, go get him next time. Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's your launch angle? Yeah? About a decade or so ago,

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Speaker 1: they started doing a stat holds, you know, not a save,

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Speaker 1: but like a relief pitcher out a hold, like a

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Speaker 1: mid mid level of reliever, midle inning reliever. Is that

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Speaker 1: a real stat or just like an ESPN dot com stat?

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Speaker 1: I know. I don't want to say it's baseball analytics

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Speaker 1: and guys nerd out here, but a hold. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the save itself has been redefined because it didn't used

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Speaker 1: to be this way. I think you had to pitch

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Speaker 1: you know how many inning and you know how many

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Speaker 1: innings to get a save. It wasn't just hey I

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Speaker 1: faced one battern, I got to save. Now like we

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Speaker 1: we want more stats, here's a hold. That's great. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it must have been incredibly frustrating though, to be a

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Speaker 1: relief pitcher to come in, do your job for two

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Speaker 1: innings and get nothing out of it, Like no, no,

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Speaker 1: recognition like, hey, you did your job, you did well,

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Speaker 1: But I mean you don't even get a hole. You

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Speaker 1: not no holds, no holds barred. Yes, the hold according

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Speaker 1: to MLB glossary their actual MLB the hold was invented

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Speaker 1: by staticians John Dewan and Mike O'Connell as a means

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Speaker 1: to quantify the effectiveness of relievers who aren't closers. The

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Speaker 1: statistic was meant to value set up men who traditionally

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Speaker 1: pitching the seventh or eighth ending before the closer pitching.

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Speaker 1: It didn't gain traction until the nineties and two thousands.

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Speaker 1: Well that might have been when Marianna Rivera was setting

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Speaker 1: up John Wetland for the Yankees. Yes, mclones, isn't that

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Speaker 1: like the most important position in baseball? Now? That's why

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Speaker 1: the Phillies always screw up the whole gud the hole.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember Kelly on the redst like you known

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Speaker 1: as a holder, I think we just emedded it, like

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Speaker 1: we gotta pay that guy twenty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: He's a great holder, but then he says he's just

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Speaker 1: a placeholder. Yeah, but what was the save statistic before?

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Speaker 1: How did you qualify for a save before did it

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Speaker 1: goose gausage go like three innings? It felt like famously

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Speaker 1: went three innings. You could get a save for going

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Speaker 1: three and you could get a save if you faced

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Speaker 1: what one batter? Yeah, Polly. The term saved was used

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Speaker 1: by general managers in the fifties without specific parameters. It

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Speaker 1: was just a thing managers and GM said he saved

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Speaker 1: the game by getting in and putting out the fire.

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Speaker 1: There's a writer named Jerome Holtzman who was the first

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Speaker 1: to give specific criteria to saves in their early nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 1: but according to MLB dot Com, saved had become an

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Speaker 1: official stat until nineteen sixty nine. And the parameters are,

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Speaker 1: you enter the game with a lead of no more

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Speaker 1: than three runs, pitch at least one inning, entered the

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Speaker 1: game with a tying run on deck, pitch at least

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Speaker 1: three innings. That used to be pitch at least three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's where in sixty nine it was, yeah, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a hell of a save. You come in and you

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Speaker 1: pitch three innings. Who invented the one inning closer? Is

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Speaker 1: that LaRussa? I feel like it feels like it's Tony LaRussa.

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Speaker 1: And Rake was Raleigh Fingers he was at a one

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Speaker 1: inning guy. I don't remember Um Eckersley, maybe Bruce Suter,

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Speaker 1: but I remember it felt like Lee Smith and Goose Gossage.

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Speaker 1: They'd go two or three innings. And I'm sure I'm

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Speaker 1: missing other relievers. Mo Rivera was you know famously one

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Speaker 1: inning guy I always, you know, is always one of

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Speaker 1: those where, oh he's facing four batters, like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: can't bring him in with uh, you know, two ounce

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Speaker 1: in the eighth with basses loaded because he only faces

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Speaker 1: you know, he's one inning. That's it. He can only

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Speaker 1: do one inning. But Tony Larus's genius. So you know

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Speaker 1: who am I complain about that? What do you think

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Speaker 1: of the one inning guy at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: game that trend the rays and all that. I find

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Speaker 1: I find it annoying, but I find it fascinating too.

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Speaker 1: Where you go, all right, like, I love the starting pitcher,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I'm smart enough to understand baseball has changed,

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Speaker 1: and you know, what we expect out of a starter

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Speaker 1: I think you can outsmart yourself in baseball more so

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