WEBVTT - America’s Most Hated Bachelor | EP 1

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<v Speaker 1>It's just before seven am on January twenty ninth, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, in Scottsdale, Arizona, willase search war. Arizona has

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<v Speaker 1>a reputation for relentless heat, but after years of living there,

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<v Speaker 1>I know better. Winters in the desert can be chilly,

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<v Speaker 1>and this morning was one of those days. It was

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<v Speaker 1>forty five degrees and still dark outside.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a search warn Okay, we're serving on the

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<v Speaker 2>behalf of the Maricopa County's Attorney's office.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to open up the door.

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<v Speaker 1>The Scottsdale Police are at the home of thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old Laura Owens. She and her parents live in

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most desirable areas of Scottsdale. Think upscale

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<v Speaker 1>ranch style homes on spacious lots. It's a rare urban

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood that still allows horses. But this morning the calm

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<v Speaker 1>and quiet was interrupted.

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<v Speaker 4>We might entry.

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<v Speaker 5>We're you're contacting the character right now.

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<v Speaker 3>You're good to move to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura lives in a casida on her parents' property, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like a little studio apartment that's separate

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<v Speaker 1>from the main house. Through a sliding glass door, officers

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<v Speaker 1>can see Laura who is already awake and feeding her dogs.

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<v Speaker 5>Laura, scott Stale police.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you see my badge?

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<v Speaker 5>What with the scott step Police department?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Can you come out and talk with us police?

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<v Speaker 4>No, the county attorneys have a search warm for your property,

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<v Speaker 4>so we need you to come out.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even seven in the morning.

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<v Speaker 6>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Laura looks incredibly thin, dressed in an oversized Fleetwood mac

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<v Speaker 1>t shirt and leggings. Her dark hair is pulled back

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<v Speaker 1>in a ponytail. She's not exactly shocked to see the police,

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<v Speaker 1>but she is annoyed by their timing.

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<v Speaker 3>I was told that if the police were going to

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<v Speaker 3>calm they would come during business hours. Can I call

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<v Speaker 3>my attorney please?

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<v Speaker 1>Laura reaches for her cell phone and calls her attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>David Jingers.

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<v Speaker 3>David, do you know what's going on right now?

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<v Speaker 1>The Scottsdale Police are trying to handle this as calmly

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<v Speaker 1>as possible, but Laura's getting more agitated by the minute.

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<v Speaker 5>Our target is very animated at this point. The season

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<v Speaker 5>to come out. She's speaking to us through a.

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<v Speaker 4>Sliding glass door.

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<v Speaker 5>We're getting her an.

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<v Speaker 4>Opportunity to talk to her attorneys and they don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to escalate things.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's just where we're at right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going o'clock in the morning. She's on speaker with

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<v Speaker 3>her attorney, and the attorney's advising her.

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<v Speaker 5>To come out.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a lot open the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you think of authority to search for i'n o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>With her lawyers? Okay? She slowly opens her screen door

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<v Speaker 1>and the Scottsdale Police lead her into the main house

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<v Speaker 1>where her parents are waiting. Laura's having a meltdown.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree. This is so. Laura is a subject of

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<v Speaker 5>an investigation by the courts is regarding that.

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<v Speaker 6>Even when it's not even seven o'clock, get pregnant by

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<v Speaker 6>the fucking wrestler.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bachelor, as in the hit reality TV show Imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>one of its stars a former lead at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of a major paternity scandal. The man whose story prompted

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<v Speaker 1>this early morning police raid is none other than Clayton Eckered.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of the most notorious and unpopular bachelors of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. His season fell to pieces, leaving him single

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<v Speaker 1>and rejected by the woman he'd fallen in love with.

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<v Speaker 1>After the show, he moved to Scottsdale, Arizona, hoping for

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<v Speaker 1>a fresh start on the show. Clayton didn't meet his person,

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<v Speaker 1>but after moving to Arizona, he would meet the person

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<v Speaker 1>that would change the course of his life forever. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie Young and this is Love Trapped Tractic. Nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>years before the police raid, Laura Owens hooked up with

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<v Speaker 1>Clayton eckered and allegedly became pregnant. That is only the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the story, a story that is still very

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<v Speaker 1>much going on. It's about how difficult it can be

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<v Speaker 1>to verify the truth, especially when facts are constantly shifting.

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<v Speaker 7>Anytime someone doesn't want to give you the full information,

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<v Speaker 7>they lose all credibility.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what she did, but we certainly didn't

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<v Speaker 4>rule out the spit maneuver. The things that she said

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<v Speaker 4>to Clayton, the famous lines about don't want you to

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<v Speaker 4>feel how tight I am and stuff like that. Why

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<v Speaker 4>would she have said that if they had already had sex.

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<v Speaker 7>She says, we were sexually intimate. Okay, well, now he's

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<v Speaker 7>saying you only had two blowjobs.

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<v Speaker 5>Blowjobs don't make babies.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like a miracle somehow that she got pregnant.

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<v Speaker 7>She could have shot herself in the ass with fertility drugs.

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<v Speaker 6>They hooked up, but they didn't have sex.

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<v Speaker 7>Turkey Basters. It's just so chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, the man at the center of this

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<v Speaker 1>drama would begin to question everything, setting him on an

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<v Speaker 1>all consuming path to prove the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, this is Clayton speaking.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Clayton and Stephanie from Glass Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 5>How are you today, Hey, Stephanie. I'm doing good. It's

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<v Speaker 5>honestly just another slow Friday today.

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<v Speaker 1>When I first heard about this case, it sounded simple,

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<v Speaker 1>but as I began looking into it myself, the twists

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<v Speaker 1>and turns became increasingly strange. So I gave Clayton a call.

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<v Speaker 3>We have emailed back and forth a few times about

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<v Speaker 3>this whole Laura Owen saga and I want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>your story. I want to tell it in a podcast

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<v Speaker 3>and get all the details out there. I know you've

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<v Speaker 3>shared some, but I don't think that you've shared all

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<v Speaker 3>of them yet.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there's so much I do want it out there,

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<v Speaker 5>just full transparency. I just I hope it's told correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be my first of many phone calls with Clayton.

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Chicago now, but I used to call

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona home. It's one of my favorite places. It's where

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<v Speaker 1>I attended college, It's where I got married and began

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<v Speaker 1>my career in radio and podcasting. I was actually in

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona shopping for a wedding dress when I first heard

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<v Speaker 1>about this on the news, and I'll be heading back

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<v Speaker 1>there soon to start reporting on this case myself.

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<v Speaker 3>So how do you feel about letting me share your story?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, Stephy, I hope that over time that this

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<v Speaker 5>becomes a budding friendship and like I can trust you

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<v Speaker 5>and it can be told in the way that it

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<v Speaker 5>needs to be told and how I would like for

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<v Speaker 5>it to be told. But I'm going to also just

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<v Speaker 5>again be completely honest because that's how I live my life.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been screwed over so many times by producers that

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<v Speaker 5>have told me this is how I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 5>seen and then it's complete opposite. So, like, is there

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of hesitancy? Yeah, I'm going to definitely

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<v Speaker 5>want to be in the know as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Clayton's story is an epic battle of he said. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a story about who you believe and why. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the past two years, it's ignited the Internet, becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of viral cautionary tale. Along the way, dozens of citizens, sleuths,

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<v Speaker 1>and armchair investigators joined the conversation, scrutinizing every little detail.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. When the news broke that Clayton

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<v Speaker 1>was part of this paternity scandal, no one believed him

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<v Speaker 1>at first because he was a reality TV star and

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<v Speaker 1>an unpopular one at that. All of a sudden, his

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<v Speaker 1>word was at the center of a case that would

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<v Speaker 1>put him back in the spotlight in a way he

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<v Speaker 1>never expected.

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<v Speaker 3>Just so you know, I have family that lives in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 3>So next time I'm in Arizona, I'd love to try

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<v Speaker 3>to get together and maybe have a conversation to see

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<v Speaker 3>how we can tell this story together in a way

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<v Speaker 3>that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, I think that'd be great. I mean, I'm a

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<v Speaker 5>huge believer in just face to face interaction, and I

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<v Speaker 5>would really like that that way, obviously, we can get

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<v Speaker 5>to know one another and understand what seriously we're both

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<v Speaker 5>getting into. Because I you were going to be in

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<v Speaker 5>over your head.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was right. I had no idea how big

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<v Speaker 1>this story really was. To really understand what's going on here,

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<v Speaker 1>you first have to understand how Clayton was portrayed on

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<v Speaker 1>TV and why he was so unpopular. You see, his

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<v Speaker 1>season of The Bachelor ended in flames.

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<v Speaker 4>The Rose ceremony from hell. It's one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>memorable moments in the history of the show that basically

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<v Speaker 4>blew up his whole season.

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<v Speaker 7>I promise you, when you look back at this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is gonna a hant you.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that you let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't help that the three final contestants were some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most likable in the entire franchise. Clayton came

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<v Speaker 1>off as almost insensitive, but that's only part of what

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<v Speaker 1>earned him the title of most hated Bachelor ever. He

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<v Speaker 1>left the show in embarrassment. The internet turned on him.

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<v Speaker 5>This is going down as an all time bad season.

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<v Speaker 5>He's going down as an all time bad Bachelor. I've

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<v Speaker 5>been saying all season that I think this guy sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>His words and his actions did not line up.

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<v Speaker 7>I see any of these people defending this guy, how

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<v Speaker 7>many Shame on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the end, Clayton was left alone. He was

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<v Speaker 1>at an all time low.

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<v Speaker 5>I was the worst Bachelor ever. At this point, people

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<v Speaker 5>were hating me everything that they were watching on TV.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, how am I ever going to recover from

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<v Speaker 5>what I've done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll admit it. I have always been a fan of

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<v Speaker 1>The Bachelor franchise, but I missed Clayton's season, and it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out a lot of people did. Before I began

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on this story, I went back and watched Clayton's season.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to be honest. While I was definitely entertained,

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<v Speaker 1>it was also a bit of a train wreck. I

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<v Speaker 1>could see why he got the reputation he did. Even

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<v Speaker 1>his brother Nate didn't think he did a very good job.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't give him the best grade. I think he

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<v Speaker 5>was authentic. I think he was himself, but it just

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<v Speaker 5>ended up getting him in more trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Respectfully, there have been many other Bachelor contestants who have

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<v Speaker 1>actually committed crimes. Clayton's only crime was not being likable.

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<v Speaker 1>He's blunt and truthful, and oftentimes that lands him in

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<v Speaker 1>hot water.

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<v Speaker 5>When people watch a show like The Bachelor, they think

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<v Speaker 5>that they know you based on what they watch on TV.

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<v Speaker 5>And what sucks is that I didn't get a great edit,

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<v Speaker 5>and so now people were less likely to want to

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<v Speaker 5>rally behind me with this whole cause because they didn't

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<v Speaker 5>like me based off of what they saw on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my own preconceived notions about Clayton before I

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<v Speaker 1>met him, kind of thought the same thing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people did. He was your typical playboy. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to get to know him myself because the story isn't

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<v Speaker 1>about the bachelor.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, you really are that tall.

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<v Speaker 5>I got less with some hight. Good to see you too,

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely welcome to the humb little abode.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Clayton for the first time last August when

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<v Speaker 1>I was visiting my parents in Arizona. He's a big guy.

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<v Speaker 1>His hands are double the size of mine. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a killer smile, hazel eyes, and a square jaw. He

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<v Speaker 1>has thick, curly hair most men or women would die for,

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<v Speaker 1>and at six', five he towers over.

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<v Speaker 5>ME i drank cream soda growing, up and my parents,

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<v Speaker 5>said you, know if you keep drinking, that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>stunt your. Growth SO i switched over to, milk AND

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<v Speaker 5>i think there was hormones in the. Milk all those

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<v Speaker 5>hormones were probably pumping up.

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<v Speaker 1>My, Today clayton is a pretty normal. Guy he's in solar,

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<v Speaker 1>sales he's a, realtor he takes hip hop dance, classes

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<v Speaker 1>and he owns and manages An airbnb In. Scottsdale in,

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<v Speaker 1>fact the DAY i met, him he shared his original

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<v Speaker 1>concept of an Optional airbnb add, on where for an additional,

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<v Speaker 1>fee he would personally provide guests with the Private Rose ceremony.

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<v Speaker 5>EXPERIENCE i give them the exact same spiel THAT i

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<v Speaker 5>would have given to the women on the. Show i'm

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<v Speaker 5>so grateful that you all are here tonight's for this incredible.

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<v Speaker 5>Moment what a journey we all have.

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<v Speaker 1>Had as a lifelong fan of the. Franchise when he

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<v Speaker 1>recreated This Rose ceremony, moment for, me it was Like

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<v Speaker 1>clayton became The bachelor.

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<v Speaker 5>AGAIN i had a videographer here to film all of,

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<v Speaker 5>that AND i released it in THE abc hit me

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<v Speaker 5>with The Seasoned.

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<v Speaker 1>Assist The Season assist wouldn't be the last of his legal,

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<v Speaker 1>troubles as you'll soon find. Out so how Did clayton

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<v Speaker 1>even get here in the first? Place what was his

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<v Speaker 1>path to becoming The? BACHELOR i wanted to start from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning clayton grew up In, missouri and spent twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>years of his life. There And clayton is your Normal midwest.

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<v Speaker 5>GUY i grew up with my two younger brothers and

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<v Speaker 5>we're just a household of, boys and we competed in

0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.360
<v Speaker 5>every single, thing from sports to. Grades so a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of WHO i am today stems from those early childhood.

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<v Speaker 5>Challenges amongst me and my.

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers clayton says his younger brother outshined.

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<v Speaker 5>Him he had a lot of confidence growing up THAT

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<v Speaker 5>i never, possessed and so he succeeded at a higher

0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.640
<v Speaker 5>level than. ME a lot of the girls loved. Him

0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.520
<v Speaker 5>he was smooth because he didn't overthink. Things, MEANWHILE i

0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.120
<v Speaker 5>was getting friendzoned by all the girls in my. Grade

0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.880
<v Speaker 5>even girls in my grade liked my brother more than

0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:56.280
<v Speaker 5>they liked.

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<v Speaker 1>Me When clayton got to high, school he was determined

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<v Speaker 1>and to prove.

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<v Speaker 5>Himself that's WHEN i, Decided, hey the way THAT i

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<v Speaker 5>establish worth is by becoming the best on the football

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<v Speaker 5>field and becoming like the most sought after man THAT

0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:14.000
<v Speaker 5>i can.

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<v Speaker 1>Be clayton had a good senior football, season not good

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<v Speaker 1>enough to get a, scholarship but good enough to walk

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<v Speaker 1>on the team at The university Of.

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<v Speaker 5>Missouri everyone expected me not to make. It it's A

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<v Speaker 5>DIVISION i, program top program in the, state.

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<v Speaker 1>And he made. It he became a tight end on

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<v Speaker 1>the team and even went on to play in THE.

0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Nfl he was cut early, on but, hey he made.

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<v Speaker 1>It that's what mattered to, him and this experience led

0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.120
<v Speaker 1>him to the next chapter in his, career medical device.

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<v Speaker 5>Sales they love their, athletes so they're, like, hey we

0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.280
<v Speaker 5>don't care if you don't have any sales. Experience we love,

0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.840
<v Speaker 5>athletes and so they bring me. On SO i get this,

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<v Speaker 5>nice great job out of.

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<v Speaker 1>College clayton paid his dues in the industry while living In, Columbia.

0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Missouri he was big into fitness and posting his workout

0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.080
<v Speaker 1>videos On, instagram but on his twenty eighth, birthday he

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<v Speaker 1>had what he referred to as a quarter life.

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<v Speaker 5>CRISIS i had this epiphany WHERE i REALIZED i had

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<v Speaker 5>not grown as a person in five. Years that's HOW i.

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<v Speaker 5>FELT i was doing the same job That i'd been

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<v Speaker 5>doing for the last five. Years, ROMANTICALLY i was just dating.

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<v Speaker 5>CASUALLY i hadn't grown in that regard, whatsoever AND i

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<v Speaker 5>REALIZED i need to get out of this. Environment i'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Stagnant that's when everything changed for.

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<v Speaker 5>HIM i got A dm from a casting producer On.

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<v Speaker 5>INSTAGRAM a producer From The bachelor was searching via fitness,

0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.000
<v Speaker 5>hashtags WHICH i had put on one of my, pictures

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<v Speaker 5>and that's how they found.

0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Me it wasn't the first time he'd been. Scouted he'd

0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.320
<v Speaker 1>been approached to be On Love island and AN Hbo

0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.520
<v Speaker 1>christmas dating. Show he turned them both down and told

0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.280
<v Speaker 1>his brother that the only show he would considers The.

0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Bachelorette but then when the opportunity was actually presented.

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<v Speaker 5>To, Him i'm, like there's no WAY i can do.

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<v Speaker 5>This so my brother brings it up one day and he's,

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<v Speaker 5>like you're you going to go on the? Show AND i,

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<v Speaker 5>SAID i don't think. So he, goes, oh so you're

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<v Speaker 5>not a man of your. WORD i, said what do you?

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<v Speaker 5>Mean he, goes don't you remember that conversation we? Had he,

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<v Speaker 5>said you said the one show you would go on

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<v Speaker 5>as a. Bachelorette he, goes and so now you're not

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<v Speaker 5>going to do, It so you're not a man of a,

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<v Speaker 5>Word and that's ALL i.

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<v Speaker 1>Needed he agreed to go On The. Bachelorette he barely

0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.880
<v Speaker 1>watched the, show except when he was glancing over his mom's.

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<v Speaker 5>Shoulder it was my mom's favorite show growing. Up it

0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:39.880
<v Speaker 5>was always on in our.

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<v Speaker 1>House clayton was cast On Michelle young's season Of The

0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:48.119
<v Speaker 1>bachelorette in twenty twenty. One michelle's a natural beauty with

0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:52.600
<v Speaker 1>wavy black. Hair she's a college basketball player turned elementary school.

0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Teacher clayton thought she was dropped dead, gorgeous but when

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<v Speaker 1>he got on set for the first, time he was

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmed by the production of it.

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<v Speaker 5>ALL i will never forget my first night BEFORE i

0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.080
<v Speaker 5>walked onto reality. Television he was.

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<v Speaker 1>A nervous wreck when he got out of the limo

0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to Meet.

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<v Speaker 5>MICHELLE i step out the. Limo lights are blinding. Me they,

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<v Speaker 5>said if you mess, up keep. Going there are no.

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<v Speaker 5>Redos when the cameras were thrown on, me it was

0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:24.080
<v Speaker 5>just a. SHOCK i was in that, moment wondering IF

0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.280
<v Speaker 5>i was swaying my arms too much WHILE i was.

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<v Speaker 5>Walking that's how hyper FIXATED i was on the minute,

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<v Speaker 5>things because all of a, sudden in that, moment you're

0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.680
<v Speaker 5>like nothing is, hidden everything is out, there.

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<v Speaker 1>And things didn't get any better once he met the

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<v Speaker 1>other guys.

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<v Speaker 5>First GUY i see ends up being the guy that

0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.040
<v Speaker 5>won the whole. Thing he's six foot, eight light, skin

0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.720
<v Speaker 5>looks like a. Model i'm, like, Oh i'm. Done there's

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<v Speaker 5>no Way i'm gonna make this last longer than one

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<v Speaker 5>night if this is my.

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<v Speaker 1>Competition clayton made it past night, one but he didn't

0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:55.040
<v Speaker 1>get a lot of screen.

0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.879
<v Speaker 5>Time it was hardly Any it was like eight minutes. Max.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe ultimately he was sent home before hometown. Dates michelle

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<v Speaker 1>walked into the limo and he was driven off the,

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<v Speaker 1>set but the next Morning clayton was called for one

0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.600
<v Speaker 1>final exit. Scene michelle was an elementary school, teacher and

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the, Episode clayton met two of her. Students

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<v Speaker 1>he was brought in to shoot a final scene where

0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the two kids gave him handwritten goodbye. Letters we Watched

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:25.840
<v Speaker 1>clayton read each letter and well up with.

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<v Speaker 5>Tears it was surprising because you are super genuine AND

0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.720
<v Speaker 5>i liked you a, lot AND i know you'd be

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<v Speaker 5>a really great husband for Miss. Young you will probably

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<v Speaker 5>meet someone else and fall in love and have lots

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<v Speaker 5>of kids and be a great.

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<v Speaker 1>Dat clayton didn't realize it in the, moment but this

0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:52.159
<v Speaker 1>scene was his screen test to be The. Bachelor this

0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>is one to.

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<v Speaker 5>Find love so badly AND i have a, Family, Well

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:01.679
<v Speaker 5>i'll do whatever it takes in.

0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Them he nailed, it and then his producer made the.

0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Offer they wanted him to be the Next. Bachelor Even

0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:13.879
<v Speaker 1>clayton was.

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<v Speaker 5>SURPRISED i got sent home with seven guys ahead of,

0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:19.959
<v Speaker 5>me SO i figured that wasn't even. Contention so when

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<v Speaker 5>he said, THAT i was, like, Yeah i'll do.

0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:26.000
<v Speaker 1>It clayton said something that stood out to. Me he

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.720
<v Speaker 1>was sent home earlier in the season than most future,

0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.200
<v Speaker 1>leads so picking him was kind of a strange. CHOICE

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<v Speaker 1>i wanted some insight on, this SO i turned To Reality.

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Steve he's a, podcaster, blogger and de facto authority on

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.000
<v Speaker 1>The bachelor. Franchise he knows how the show works behind the.

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<v Speaker 1>Scenes here's why he thinks the show Casts clayton as the.

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<v Speaker 4>Lead my guess was to control, him a guy that

0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 4>they could clearly, See, hey he's going to do what

0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 4>we tell him to do because he's so grateful for this.

0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Opportunity the thing, Is clayton was grateful for the.

0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 5>Opportunity it was validation THAT i was, special which the

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.360
<v Speaker 5>people pleaser and me was always. Chasing so to have

0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 5>that moment come to a place where it was, like

0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.639
<v Speaker 5>we want you to be the. GUY i was, Like

0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.720
<v Speaker 5>i'm the, guy and you don't just become the guy

0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.439
<v Speaker 5>without having a whole track record of.

0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Success he finally found the validation he was looking, for

0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't realize that once you invite the world,

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.679
<v Speaker 1>in you can't tell them when to.

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.439
<v Speaker 5>Leave i'll never forget. This producer looks at me and she,

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.920
<v Speaker 5>goes take this moment in because this is the last

0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.920
<v Speaker 5>moment of silence that you'll likely have in your life

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 5>for a long. Time if, ever that's the MOMENT i,

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.879
<v Speaker 5>remember because my life has never been the same since that.

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Point the noise has never.

0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Stopped clayton began filming his season of The bachelor in

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Late september of twenty twenty, one and he was ready

0:21:58.480 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to find.

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<v Speaker 5>Love POINT i was so overcome with just. Excitement what

0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 5>is my? Life this isn't even. Real pinch, me but

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.480
<v Speaker 5>don't actually pinch, me because if this is a, DREAM

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.160
<v Speaker 5>i don't want to wake up from. It that's how

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.800
<v Speaker 5>grateful and EXCITED i. WAS i was just soaking it

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 5>all in AND i felt Like i'm going to give

0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.879
<v Speaker 5>everyone the love story that they're looking, for BECAUSE i

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.200
<v Speaker 5>got the genuine heart that's actually looking for something. Serious

0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.080
<v Speaker 5>this is gonna be a fairy tale. Ending i'm going

0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 5>to write off at the sunset and be the hero

0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 5>that everybody was anticipating i'd, be or it wants me to.

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 5>Be that's WHAT i believed was going to. HAPPEN i

0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.840
<v Speaker 5>really believed that up until like the last. Week where

0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 5>the fuck DID i go?

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Wrong so here's what. Happened When clayton got down to the,

0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:49.240
<v Speaker 1>finalists he broke an unspoken rule of The, bachelor which

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.400
<v Speaker 1>is the show doesn't really work if you tell all

0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the finalists you're in love with, them especially while they're

0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 1>all standing in front of.

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<v Speaker 5>YOU i still to this, DAY i didn't REALIZE i

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:04.560
<v Speaker 5>was an untold. RULE i believe in radical. Honesty it's

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:06.920
<v Speaker 5>probably gotten me and actually has gotten me in trouble

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 5>more than a few times in my.

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Life not only Did clayton admit to falling in love

0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 1>with all of the, finalists he also revealed that he'd

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>had sex with two of. Them here's what he. Said

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:17.560
<v Speaker 1>he was.

0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 5>Thinking every emotion was rushing. In it was a LOT i,

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 5>MEAN i was so drained at that. POINT i had

0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 5>a mix of frustration with myself. Sadness to see the

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 5>looks on the faces of the. WOMEN i realized that

0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 5>things were going and the exact opposite direction THAT i

0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:36.639
<v Speaker 5>planned for them to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go The Rose ceremony From hell was filmed In, iceland

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And clayton's parents and two brothers were there. Too while

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it was being, filmed his family was out to dinner

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 1>with some of the show's, producers who were getting frantic

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 1>texts from the production. Team Here's clayton's, Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian even the producer told me WHEN i was sitting

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.120
<v Speaker 2>in a room with. Her she, goes you, know mister,

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:04.880
<v Speaker 2>record your son gave us some great. Material unfortunately it's

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 2>just gonna look like. Shit she, GOES i don't know

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 2>why anybody to save. Him it was, like, well we'll

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 2>see what it looks like when it comes.

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Out the producers were, right it didn't look good For

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>clayton in the. End there were three. Women the first Was,

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>rachel a radiant blonde who was also a. Pilot next

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Was Gabby, wendy a nurse and FORMER nfl cheerleader with

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<v Speaker 1>a quick. Wit she's since become a pop culture icon

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<v Speaker 1>who you might have seen On The traders And dancing

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.119
<v Speaker 1>with The. Stars when she was On clayton's season Of The,

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.159
<v Speaker 1>bachelor she was not happy with how he handled.

0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:48.000
<v Speaker 8>Himself i'm pissed BECAUSE i spent the last two days

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 8>away from my family and my friends who actually get

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 8>the bit about me and you.

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Don't that was. Rough then there Was. Susie she was

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>a wedding, photographer Former Miss virginia, actually and she was

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>the One clayton was leaning. Towards But susie decided to

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 1>leave the competition. Early right before the, finale she got

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 1>cold feet about getting. Engaged in a very unusual and risky,

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Move clayton sent the other two finalists. Home he wanted

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to propose To, susie and, surprise, surprise she was still In.

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Iceland so he made a grand gesture and asked her

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>to come to the final rose. Ceremony she agreed to show,

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>up and when he handed her the, rose she said

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.160
<v Speaker 1>what no other contestant has ever said.

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 8>BEFORE i have made the decision to Leave iceland. Alone

0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:42.120
<v Speaker 8>it doesn't like take away from everything that we've had

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 8>and the love THAT i genuinely feel in my heart for.

0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>You in other, words she said. NO i Asked clayton,

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.360
<v Speaker 1>if in that moment he regretted becoming The.

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 5>Bachelor, yes one thousand. PERCENT i Wish i'd never answered

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 5>THAT dm WHEN i, yeah, Absolutely that's HOW i.

0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Felt clayton told me that he felt like the producers

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>pushed him to develop a strong connection with more than one,

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 1>woman and they encouraged him to try that last ditch

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:12.919
<v Speaker 1>effort With.

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 5>SUSIE i felt like the producers were trying to lead

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 5>me and potentially produced me into reacting a certain, way

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 5>and SO i started to, question are we on the same, Team,

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 5>like AM i able to really just do WHAT i?

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 5>Want or is there some type of motive here from

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 5>you all THAT i need to fall in line.

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 1>With it's telling That clayton didn't realize this until the.

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>End here's, Reality.

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Steve they took advantage of a naive guy who didn't

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 4>know television and didn't know the process of this show

0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:46.440
<v Speaker 4>and had a field day with.

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Him shortly After clayton returned from filming the, show he

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.239
<v Speaker 1>received A dm From susie On instagram asking if they

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>could talk about what happened In iceland And clayton.

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 5>Agreed we had a three hour conversation that night and

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 5>talked a lot about producer involvement and how it stopped

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 5>us from being able to pursue the relationship.

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Further susie felt the same way that producers forced them

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>into a. Decision at the, end.

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 6>It just felt like producers got really, involved AND i

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 6>felt like the whole situation felt manipulated and, orchestrated AND

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 6>i didn't know who to trust, anymore whether it was

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 6>not Trusting clayton or, producers AND i was, LIKE i

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:31.680
<v Speaker 6>just need to leave.

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Here after that, conversation they decided to reconnect and give

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the relationship a go on their own terms without. Cameras

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>But america couldn't know yet because the show hadn't. Premiered

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Living Through it had been one. Thing Then clayton joined

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>the millions Of americans watching his season play out ON.

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Tv it did not go well the premiere.

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 5>Trailer it started off all, happy go, lucky and then

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 5>the back half of the trailer they just showed everything blowing.

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 5>Up they showed that clearly there's no love story. Here

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 5>it's full, drama and they set me up for failure

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 5>right out the.

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Gate and the internet was. Ruthless clayton knew it had been,

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>bad he didn't know it had been this.

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Bad so many of those people that sent me death

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 5>threats told me THAT i never deserve, love told me

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 5>that they would put a bullet in my head if

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 5>they ever saw me in, person tell Me i'm, stupid.

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 5>Ugly my physique was, attacked my actions were, attacked and

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 5>it's like they all forgot THAT i was a. Human i'm, like,

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 5>Guys i'm still a human. Being this stuff.

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Hurts the show provided mental health resources for as long

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>As clayton needed.

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 5>Them it's just a shame because you would hope that

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 5>you wouldn't have to ever utilize them in the first.

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Place clayton knew he wasn't, perfect but as the finale,

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>approached the online hate took its toll on.

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 5>Him my mental health was the worst it's ever been

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 5>in my. LIFE i, thought wouldn't it better IF i just wasn't.

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 5>Here there was a point WHERE i focus in on

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 5>the closed drawer in front of me that had my

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 5>pistol inside the, drawer AND i start having the thought

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 5>just that it's, there AND i felt weak in that,

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 5>moment AND i almost felt guilty, for you, know even considering,

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 5>that BECAUSE i thought there's no WAY i could ever

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.440
<v Speaker 5>put this type of pain in my, family AND i

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 5>knew at that, POINT i was, LIKE i got to

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 5>get out of this. Environment this is not.

0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Good clayton reached out to The bachelor producers for.

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 5>HELP i, SAID i am in a terrible place right.

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 5>Now i'm having extremely dark. THOUGHTS i feel. WORTHLESS i need.

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Support he desperate wanted to see his Girlfriend, susie but

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>the rules were if they wanted to meet in, person

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>they had to go through producers, first since the show

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>was still. Airing susie was genuinely worried about. Him Here's.

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 6>Susie at the, time he didn't mention the gun in the,

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 6>drawer BUT i remember also calling producers at the same

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 6>time AND i, said, HEY i really think something is

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 6>very wrong AND i don't think he should be alone right.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 5>Now thankfully they understood the severity of. It they got

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 5>me out on a red, eye they got her out

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.880
<v Speaker 5>on a red, eye AND i then had at Least

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 5>susie there to support.

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Me, soon during the live, Finale america would find out

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>the truth About clayton And susie's. Relationship are you guys back?

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 5>Together that's my.

0:30:53.440 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Boyfriend you'd think this news would have Started clayton's redemption.

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Arc he And susie did end up together after, all

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>but that's not what. Happened the online trolls started to

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 1>come For susie.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 6>TOO i received some of the most, like, disgusting, graphic

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 6>nasty Messages i've ever received in my life after the final.

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Show that was a lot to go. Through susie felt

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>like The bachelor left them out to dry and let

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>them take the fall for producers. Decisions there's a.

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 6>Lot of criticism On clayton on how things, happened AND

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 6>i think some of that is deserved and some of

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 6>it is also, like, okay we have to take a

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 6>step back and recognize that there's a whole production behind.

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 1>It when the show, Wrapped clayton And susie had to

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>deal with being a publicly hated. Couple their relationship wasn't

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>celebrated like Most bachelor, couples and their social media accounts

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>were spammed with hate. Comments they were both just trying

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to feel normal again after nine months of dating under

0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>intense online, Scrutiny clayton And susie decided to call it.

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 6>QUITS i think our relationship was just too tumultuous to.

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 6>Last LIKE i think that we went through something really

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 6>really traumatic together and that could have brought us. Closer

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 6>but we both were two people that went through something

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.800
<v Speaker 6>really really hard and we just didn't have the toolkit

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 6>to like make it.

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 5>Work WHEN i lost, HER i lost a, rock you,

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 5>KNOW i lost somebody that really fully understood.

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Me he took the breakup, hard so we spent the

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 1>next year working on. Himself at the end of twenty twenty,

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Two clayton wanted a fresh.

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 5>START i moved To, Scottsdale, arizona which is the hot.

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 5>Spot there is so much happening. Here it's very close

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 5>to all The West coast.

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Cities having lived, THERE i can tell you it's kind

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>of a party, town.

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 5>Very fast, paced a lot of, distractions a lot of

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 5>problems as.

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Well it's almost fitting At scottsdale is one of the

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>most popular destinations for bachelorette.

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 5>Parties WHEN i got To, SCOTTSTOWE i didn't have dating

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 5>on my. MIND i HAD i had a big old party,

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 5>mindset AND i, THOUGHT i get to be, single AND

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 5>i get to be single as The, bachelor Former, bachelor

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 5>And i'm going to just milk this moment And i'm

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 5>going to have my.

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Fun he thought it would be smooth sailing now That

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>The bachelor was behind. Him damn was he. Wrong after

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a nightmarish stint in the public, Eye Clayton eckerd began

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>building a new life In, Scottsdale. Arizona In april of

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, three he announced On instagram that he got

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 1>his real estate. License he figured that his notoriety from

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>the Show i'd even help him launch his. CAREER a

0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>few short weeks, later he got a message On LinkedIn

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>from a potential real estate, client someone Named Laura.

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 5>Owens The LinkedIn message, Said, Hi i'm looking to connect

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 5>with similar minded young entrepreneurs In. SCOTTSDALE i see that

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 5>you work for the AND i actually contacted them. Recently

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 5>they were going to connect me with someone who could

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 5>help me find investment, properties but haven't. Yet let me

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 5>know if you can.

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Help Laura's LinkedIn profile didn't have a, photo But clayton's.

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 5>Did it was My bachelor, photo the photo From night

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 5>one of The.

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Bachelor you'd think that her not having a photo might

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>be a red flag. Right, Well clayton saw it.

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:47.920
<v Speaker 5>DIFFERENTLY i, Figured i'm the, bachelor AND i have a

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 5>level of fame to. Me this is not at all that's.

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 5>SURPRISING i, MEAN i had people that came up to

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 5>me once at a coffee shop and said they wanted

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:56.920
<v Speaker 5>to work with me in real. Estate SO i exchanged

0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 5>my contact info with her to get in front of

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 5>her so THAT i could hopefully get my first real

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 5>estate deal.

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Done And laura didn't waste any.

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:10.239
<v Speaker 5>Time the text messages started right, away constant, texting and

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 5>she knew a lot about real, estate more THAN i

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 5>even knew BECAUSE i just got my. License SO i

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 5>felt LIKE i was trying to play keep up with.

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Her laura was asking all the right, questions But clayton

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 1>also realized she was testing the.

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 5>Waters at, first she was flirting a. BED i was

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 5>keeping it very. Professional was twenty thousand dollars commission on the,

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 5>line good amount of, money AND i was trying to

0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 5>keep the transaction going.

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>ALONG i sat down With clayton and had him walk

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 1>me through the printouts of their initial. Messages you mentioned

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 1>she was flirting with you a little. Bit can you

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 1>read one of those messages and kind of give me

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 1>an example of what you're talking.

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 5>About in all, honesty, THOUGH i had a great time

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 5>talking to you and would actually love to get a

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.200
<v Speaker 5>drink with you next week if you want.

0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>To and how did you handle that?

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 5>FLIRTATION i, Thought i'll just continue to be, professional push this,

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 5>along let her feel however she, feels and if she

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 5>wants to flirt here and, there whatever we can let that.

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Be so you told me your profile picture was the

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>photo of you from The. Bachelor do you think she

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>had any idea of who you?

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 5>WERE i don't think she did know WHO i. WAS i,

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 5>mean of, course you, know she could have googled me

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 5>and found out very, quickly but based on what she

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 5>had said to me and her, TONALITY i assumed that

0:36:28.239 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 5>she didn't.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Know, Okay so then you thought she was flirting with,

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>you not because you were famous or the Former, bachelor

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.919
<v Speaker 1>but because you're you a, tall thirty something year old guy.

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 5>HANDSOME i, mean, HEY i appreciate all those, compliments but,

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 5>YEAH i, mean, TRUTHFULLY i just, thought, like, yeah she

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 5>Thinks i'm, Attractive, okay no big. Deal i'm just really

0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 5>fixated on getting my first real estate deal done and

0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 5>starting a new chapter out here in Scott still and

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 5>also just having people see me for WHAT i truly,

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 5>am not what was shown ON, tv which was produced and.

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Edited clayton set up some showings For laura later that,

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>week and the flirtatious messages.

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.839
<v Speaker 5>Continued and, then obviously there was a turn of. Events one.

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Night clayton had just moved into a new. Apartment that,

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>evening he went To, ikea ordered a, pizza and started

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to put his new furniture.

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 5>Together SO i took this edible And laura was texting,

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 5>me SO i sent her a text.

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Back this was three days After laura's initial message To.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Clayton at that, Point clayton started to feed into the.

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Flirting Then laura made a bold. Move she sent a.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 5>Photo the SECOND i got that, PHOTO i was, like,

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 5>okay well the logical brain kicked.

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Off clayton invited her to come.

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.959
<v Speaker 5>Over she was a little hesitant at. FIRST i think

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:52.080
<v Speaker 5>she was surprised THAT i was inviting her, over but

0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 5>then she decided that she would come.

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Over from, there the exact details of what happened that

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>night are only known to two, People clayton And. Laura

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 1>as we continue this, series we'll hear a few different

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>versions of what allegedly went, down but we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start With clayton's.

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<v Speaker 5>Version that, NIGHT i was looking for a hook up

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<v Speaker 5>one thousand. PERCENT i assumed we both were on the

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<v Speaker 5>same page because she was coming over at eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 5>at night on A. Friday we know why you're. Coming

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<v Speaker 5>you just sent me a photo of your.

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<v Speaker 1>Ass, technically she's wearing leggings in the. Photo i've seen

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of, it and if you can believe, it

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<v Speaker 1>this picture would later be released as part of an

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<v Speaker 1>investigation report by The Maricopa County Attorney's. Office to call

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<v Speaker 1>a spade a, spade the photo looks like a thirst.

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<v Speaker 1>Trap that, Night laura arrived At clayton's. Apartment they started

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<v Speaker 1>talking and getting to know each other a little.

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<v Speaker 5>Better i'll be honest with, you all of the conversation was,

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<v Speaker 5>forgettable and then probably after an hour hour and a,

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<v Speaker 5>HALF i told her to come over closer to, me

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<v Speaker 5>and she, did and then that's when we started hooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Up it's awkward to go into these details With, clayton

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<v Speaker 1>but they all become critical to this. Story SO i

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<v Speaker 1>asked him to define what he means when he says

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<v Speaker 1>he And laura started hooking.

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<v Speaker 5>UP i don't know how descriptive you want me to,

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<v Speaker 5>get but, like there was no penis and vagina.

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<v Speaker 1>Penetration laura spent the night and left early the next.

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<v Speaker 5>Morning eleven days, LATER i received a message From laura

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<v Speaker 5>stating that she was pregnant and attached was a photo

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<v Speaker 5>of a positive pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Test clayton couldn't believe.

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<v Speaker 5>It and there's no way that she could have been

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<v Speaker 5>pregnant because we did not have. SEX i mean not

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<v Speaker 5>in the way that would get you.

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<v Speaker 1>Pregnant everything that happens next all comes back to this

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<v Speaker 1>one night and two. Blowjobs on one of our first phone,

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<v Speaker 1>calls you said THAT i was going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>over my, head And i'm kind of understand a little

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 1>bit why you said, that but, like what did you?

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<v Speaker 5>Mean once you get fully caught up to speed and

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<v Speaker 5>over your head just doesn't do a. Justice every time

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<v Speaker 5>you think it couldn't get, crazier it just. Does you

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<v Speaker 5>have the dating, contract you have forged medical. Documents there

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 5>are so many layers to this story that you peel.

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<v Speaker 5>Back one couldn't get. Crazier oh, surprise there's another, layer

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<v Speaker 5>and it just keeps going for straining, orders a criminal,

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<v Speaker 5>investigation and also just the hope that at the end

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<v Speaker 5>of it, all someone's going to be held.

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<v Speaker 1>Accountable this season On Love, Trapped.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, clayton this is not your typical naked video of

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<v Speaker 5>a woman trying to impress. You my life is. Ruined

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<v Speaker 5>everything That i'm working towards is.

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<v Speaker 7>Gone this is either the craziest story of a bachelor

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 7>villain or the biggest scam is. Happening it's one or the.

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<v Speaker 1>Other i'm not the.

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<v Speaker 5>Devil i'm genuinely not wanting to cause any trouble in your.

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<v Speaker 5>Life this is where it was a whirlwind of text.

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<v Speaker 5>Messages she's probably text me twenty five thirty times a.

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<v Speaker 7>Day it's hard to explain to somebody how the hairs

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<v Speaker 7>on your neck immediately go up when you see you

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 7>get an email From Laura. Owens no privacy, anymore no,

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<v Speaker 7>reputation no.

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<v Speaker 1>NAME i can't even count how many armchair investigators who

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<v Speaker 1>did ten times better than ANY PI i have ever.

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<v Speaker 7>Hired we need, accountability and more, importantly we need. Protection

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<v Speaker 7>no human could imagine another person would fake something that

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<v Speaker 7>is so.

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<v Speaker 5>Sensitive the crazy thing about all of this is IF

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<v Speaker 5>i was not the. Bachelor none of this would have

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<v Speaker 5>happened to.

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<v Speaker 3>Me.

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