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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast. Charlie Casserley, you see, Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another distional The Round League Podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hanzess. I'm joined by room filled with heroes,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesley, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What up, boys,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back back in the same room. It feels like

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Speaker 1: a month since we were all sitting here. It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just kicking back and relaxing without the pressure

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Speaker 1: of having to deliver one of those interests it was.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I must say, I thought Greg did a

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Speaker 1: nice job. I don't remember Saturday's podcast. It's it's something

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Speaker 1: of a blur in fact. Um Our boss John Marvel

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Speaker 1: rolled over to the quad Quadrant pod sector this morning

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Speaker 1: and remarked that Mark and I sounded quote punch drunk

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. So so if the listeners picked up on

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Speaker 1: that and it on some level upset them or disappointed

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Speaker 1: um apologie. People love the Draft podcast. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: listeners appreciate punch drunk. That's good the Mark and I

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Speaker 1: we made it back on Sunday. Nearly died on the plane.

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Speaker 1: A lot of turbulence. I watched The Secret Life of

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Speaker 1: Walter Middie that couldn't have been good. No, it was

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Speaker 1: more like the secret Oscar grab of Ben Stiller. Not

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Speaker 1: a good movie at all. Say, when you're in the chair,

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Speaker 1: you got plane right to come up with that. I

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Speaker 1: think it was a home run. Um. But we're back now,

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Speaker 1: and we have a lot to get to, right gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: if you say so, of course, do not. We got

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Speaker 1: the NFL draft just happened. If you don't think we

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Speaker 1: have a lot to get to now, wait until July.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least to it. It's all fresh, but

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Speaker 1: it's all kind of shaken. It. It's because Ben Stiller.

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Speaker 1: It was very obvious what he was going for. He

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Speaker 1: was going for an emotional heft moment that the Academy

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Speaker 1: would have. We're back on this top. So this is

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Speaker 1: the first movie you've ever made where he definitely play

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Speaker 1: a complete screw up. It was I don't remember it

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Speaker 1: too much actually, um So Greenberg, great Ben Stiller movie.

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Speaker 1: Go see that? How about that? All right? You want

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Speaker 1: to go to the the indie route, that's good. I'd say

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Speaker 1: Tropic Thunder. Um. Alright, so big show today, we're going

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Speaker 1: to uh talk about some draft fall out. Obviously, Mark

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Speaker 1: Greg I should say, wrote a piece yesterday on collateral

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Speaker 1: damage fifteen veterans. Actually I wrote it and just see

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Speaker 1: Greg you can use really you need to headlines. Have

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Speaker 1: been fifteen veterans that were hurt by the two thousand

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Speaker 1: talk about why they were hurt. We are also going

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Speaker 1: this weekend or in the draft. Chris Westling wrote a

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Speaker 1: piece about which kind of ranking those quarterbacks and who

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Speaker 1: has the best chance to start? Is it immediately Wes

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Speaker 1: or Well, we're to discuss that. But some of them,

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Speaker 1: some of them will start week one, some of them

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Speaker 1: will start until two thousand seventeen or eighteen. Some of

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Speaker 1: them will switch positions, some of them will watch out

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Speaker 1: of the league without ever starting. And I looked into

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Speaker 1: Ben Stiller's career. But before any of that, the gold

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Speaker 1: standard behind the glass, How are you buddy, doing just great.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dan. I now see what the men that were

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Speaker 1: in the studio we're so excited about with your hair cut.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not that nice keeping it tight and keeping

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Speaker 1: it right, and I respect appreciate. And what are you

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Speaker 1: wearing today? It looks like some type of I'm wearing

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Speaker 1: a a soccer jersey. It's indeed a relic as what's

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Speaker 1: York Cosmos exactly, very good. Well, I'm sure you you

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Speaker 1: went to a Cosmos gamer to do that banner like

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Speaker 1: an old school penning flag. Actually, it's funny you should.

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Speaker 1: I'm thankful that you reminded me. Is I keep on

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Speaker 1: bringing back my plane flight was which actually I guess

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Speaker 1: Man in extra time. Two goals gentlemen in extra time?

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Speaker 1: now and everything's changing, So let's get into it. We'll

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Speaker 1: the interesting note they came up ESPN Cleveland's Tony GROSSI

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Speaker 1: This is Zach Gilbert as a spokesman. That didn't happen. Um,

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Speaker 1: So why not, Mark, why don't you start us on

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Speaker 1: this topic because you know, as you said downstairs, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a wess is Um the Browns. Browns

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Speaker 1: have a nice weekend without all these the sullying beginning.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to think of this story because

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Speaker 1: it this ever happens, A book to be written about

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Speaker 1: this process. Someone who actually wants to tell what really

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Speaker 1: I remember going into the draft was all the Cleveland's research.

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Speaker 1: study that said Teddy Bridgewaters are guy and everything you

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Speaker 1: they swing back up and they get Manzel. Now that

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Speaker 1: all could have been a smoke screen. We don't know that,

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Speaker 1: but it's in the course of some of the dramatics

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Speaker 1: everything else. I don't completely shut the door on this.

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Speaker 1: I just don't just seeing it seems plausible. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: media so much wanted Jimmy Haslum to get involved in

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Speaker 1: this that they created the story. Well, it wasn't narrative

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Speaker 1: before the draft. This is you're right, This is what

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Speaker 1: the fact that Sessler thinks this story isn't that crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that seems normal. Ten seconds to go, the entire franchise

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Speaker 1: normal weekend for the Browns. Well. Also, don't think if

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Speaker 1: the Browns, it's they've kind of reached the Tyson zone

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, where everything kind of is in play.

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Speaker 1: The fact that this story is even coming, it's coming

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Speaker 1: Haslm ultimately was the one making the call and Farmer

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Speaker 1: More Jimmy Haslum, More Johnny Manziel. Here's a quote from

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Speaker 1: Haslm on Monday, Um who told Johnny football two quote,

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Speaker 1: We want you to come in and go to work. Uh,

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Speaker 1: money to buy Johnny Manzell jerseys. That's a very good point.

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Speaker 1: don't come in here with your Hollywood reputation, don't come

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Speaker 1: in here with your partying ways and your image. It

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Speaker 1: Jets and all the veterans hated him at first because

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Speaker 1: the women and they want him to prove himself. That's

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Speaker 1: probably a little bit about what's going on. College Station

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Speaker 1: does Jimmy has them know who Drake is? Yeah? Why not?

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Speaker 1: He's hipper than we are, Haslum, Well, hipper than I am.

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Speaker 1: owner is very hip actually um alright, Uh, this is

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns podcast, and your fingerprints are all over. I

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Speaker 1: the quarterback of the future in Houston, he's maybe not

425
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Speaker 1: even the backup quarterback in New England. He's just kind

426
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: of stuck there. And now he has the stink on

427
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: him that Bill Belichick doesn't really want him and doesn't

428
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: really like him. It's gonna hurt his career. Bad weekend

429
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: for those guys, Alright. One name that jumps out to me,

430
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a bummer because there's been so

431
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: much build up to this player having a shot at

432
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: redemption and um a big comeback story. Marcus Lattimore, the

433
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners, obviously coming back from that terrible

434
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: knee injury at UH South Carolina, South Carolina. Right, yeah,

435
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm a college expert. Now, Um, the Niners drafted Carlos

436
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: Hyde uh in the middle rounds of the draft. I mean,

437
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: Frank Gore is immortal, as Greg writes in his post,

438
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: and that's true. How many comers have have attempted to

439
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: knock down Frank Gore, But he's eventually going to be displaced,

440
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: but for the time being, he needs somebody to run with.

441
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: And Hide is a guy that is a healthy player

442
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: and is young well I don't know if he's younger,

443
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: but he's a healthier player. He doesn't have the concerns

444
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: Lattimore has. Latimore is even acknowledged recently that he's still

445
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: not all the way back and you know, either mentally

446
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: or physically. So as much as we want to get

447
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: behind Marcus Latimer as the big comeback guy, uh, Carlos

448
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: Hides arrival is not a good sign. I think that

449
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: tells us that the forty Niners can't be too happy

450
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: with what they've seen from Marcus Laddimer. I think it's

451
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: a direct reflection and you kind of got a little clue,

452
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: and Lattimore spoke about it how he wasn't too confident.

453
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: It's too bad. It's it's someone everyone's rooting for because

454
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: he was so good in college and it looked like

455
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: a worthwhile gamble for the forty nights. Maybe it will

456
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: be in a year. But that picked to me says

457
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: anything we get from Lattimore is a bonus. He might

458
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: be a fourth running back. He might not make the team.

459
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know. And another guy that you know.

460
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: We heard Hardball speak about Quentin Patton at the annual

461
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: meeting and it was just lukewarm there. It's just nothing

462
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: there that suggested I kind of like Patton last year

463
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. But they go out,

464
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: they get Brandon Lloyd, and then they trade for Stevie

465
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: Johnson and draft a guy he's on the outs, and

466
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: then there's a few other running backs. Uh, maybe we'll

467
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: just hit on them real quickly. Ben Jarvis green ellis

468
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: seems to be in a lot of trouble now that

469
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: Jeremy Hill was drafted in the second round. Hugh Jackson

470
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: was lukewarm um when asked about is their room for enough?

471
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: All three that of course being those two gentlemen, and

472
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: then Geo Bernard, He said, right now, there are so

473
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: there is, so I wouldn't call that a glowing endorsement

474
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: of law firm's future. That's what happens when you average

475
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: three point four yards per carre. Well, he and he's

476
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: getting He's getting replaced by a similar running back who's

477
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: from LSU, who's drafted in the second round. It's hard

478
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: to see green ellis making that team. It to me,

479
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: it seems like if he everyone's health they going into

480
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: the season, he'll get caught. I'm even I'm a little

481
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: Peyton Hill. So the Giants they they drafted fourth round

482
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: pick Andre Williams. Deep, I was gonna sund a little

483
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: prize Peyton way this well, if you read, if you

484
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: read right after, I said, sure, hillis is placed on

485
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: the list, probably assigned. We should wrap up this. But

486
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw it out there because I like

487
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: Andre Williams and he's a similar type of big bruising back.

488
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: If I was picking a running back to have a

489
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: sneaky good season, Andre Williams and even and that was

490
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: more set up for me to get to Seawan Green

491
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: and Tennessee. Bishop Sanky was drafted by the Titans and Greg,

492
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: you said he's your favorite running back in this class.

493
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: I was wondering why you said that. Well, when you

494
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: watch him, he looks like a little bit bigger of

495
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: a version of Lashawn McCoy and Geo Bernard, and those

496
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: are the types of running backs that are coming into

497
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: the league and finding success right away. And he seems

498
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: like a guy at his size could carry the ball

499
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: even more than Geo Bernard. Maybe you would be closer

500
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: to McCoy where you can get fifteen carries a game

501
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: and be a big factor for them. One guy on

502
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: this list we haven't touched on. It looks like a

503
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: big loser to me. Not in life after the draft.

504
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Ruben Randall was a guy that Giants have been talking

505
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: up his Hockey Knicks replacement. They sounded, as Gregg pointed

506
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: out in his article, ambivalent about him at the winter

507
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: meeting at the Combine. Whenever they've talked about him, it

508
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: was like, maybe he's not ready to step into that rule.

509
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: Even Crew, even Victor Cruz said we need to go

510
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: out and get a guy to replace the chem Knicks.

511
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: And you know you're thinking, well, what what is that

512
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: what Ruben Randall was for? And now they get O'Dell Beckham.

513
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: So I think that kind of especially in fantasy football terms.

514
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Ruben Randall not really his stock, His arrow isn't really

515
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: pointing up. And the former offensive coordinator walked out the

516
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: door and Randall's position at least saying big hole there.

517
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: So the Giant's answer. One last wide receiver I do

518
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: want to throw out because he's in the news today

519
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: is Justin blackmoun And we knew that he was in

520
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: trouble this year that if he played maybe that would

521
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: be a surprise. But it was a bad weekend because

522
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: the Jaguars drafted to wide receivers. Then they come out

523
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: publicly and they make a clear black Man's not playing

524
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: this year and probably will never play with the Jaguars again.

525
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: And then we hear on Tuesday that they have cleaned

526
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: out his locker. They've removed his name plate, so Justin

527
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: Blackman is apparently done. They've given that locker to Blake Bortles.

528
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: So the symbolism, it's not exactly subtle here is you

529
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: are the past, we are moving on, and away we go.

530
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: That's a good transition. I feel like that was their segment,

531
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: Away we go the way we go. Unless Mark, you

532
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: had any you want to add from this list. No,

533
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: I think that's the transition you installed there. Let's continue

534
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: with it. I tell you about the Ben Stiller movie

535
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: I saw over the few times. Oh, okay, I will

536
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: move on then. Uh, gentlemen, Chris Westling, as I said earlier,

537
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: wrote a great piece. I really enjoyed it. Uh. This

538
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: was the headline who will start first? Even read listen?

539
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: I was not feeling well yesterday. It was my second

540
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: anniversary with my wife. Kind of play it, kind of

541
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: kept it low key. But I will be digging into

542
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,239
Speaker 1: this after that. That That would be a better excuse. If

543
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know, for a factor, you were in front

544
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: of your computer for ten hours or so. You could

545
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: have found some time. You read Mike Silver's piece, another

546
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: great piece. I enjoyed that piece, but I didn't you

547
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: know what. I feel like I'm being boxed in if

548
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: I look at the published time fifty seven. Now I'm

549
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: in the clear on this west I will read it though,

550
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. But since I didn't read it,

551
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: I need you to explain it to me. Well, Greg

552
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: came up with this idea. Are brilliant, boss, This is

553
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: why this is why he gets the big bucks comes

554
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: up with a great feature ideas and multimillionaires race to

555
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: the top. Which of these rookie quarterbacks will start first?

556
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: And I ranked a dozen of them and predicted when

557
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: they will first start their first NFL game. UM and

558
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Johnny Football tops the list because basically, there's zero percent

559
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: chance that Brian Hoyer starts Week one. Zero percent is ridiculous. Zero.

560
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I will eat my softball pants if Brian Hoyer starts

561
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: over a healthy Johnny Football and Week one in week one, Wow,

562
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: that just blew the doors. I don't disagree with you,

563
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: but I don't disagree with positive. I think America has

564
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: lost its mind on who Brian Hoyer is. Who the

565
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: other thirty one teams passed on him three times before

566
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: the Browns signed him three times in his career. Other

567
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: thirty one teams have passed on this guy. Had two

568
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: good games, one of which he threw three interceptions in

569
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: UH probably has about a I haven't looked at the stats,

570
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: but somewhere between a fifty five and fifty seven completion

571
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: percentage for his career, which is abysmal for an NFL starter.

572
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: Does not have NFL starter tools. Coming back from an

573
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: a c L injury, which Carson Palmer r G three

574
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: Tom Brady have struggled in the return from a c

575
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: L surgery. Three very talented quarterbacks. Why do we think

576
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: Horrier is just gonna be liked? I don't understand why

577
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: he's going to be great. I think that's not anybody

578
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: think it would be even okay to have this guy

579
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: starting in week one. West you make you're making a

580
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of sense, and I don't necessarily disagree with you,

581
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: But the owner did come out and kind of made

582
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: a made a big picture statement that this is not

583
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: going to be a job given to him. So you're

584
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: basically saying that's a smoke screen. This job is Manzel's.

585
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: Does not make the job handed to him, He's gonna

586
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: severely outplay Brian Hoyer. In August M I don't think

587
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Cleveland is going to start Hoyer if Manzel is healthy

588
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: and looks even adequate, because that's what they did here,

589
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: they went out and got their franchise. That is that

590
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: a softball pants type of conviction. I mean it clearly

591
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: is from Wesseleyan's You say a d I would I

592
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: would give Hoyer chance at this just for the fact

593
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: that the Browns coaching staff and ownership could try to

594
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: make a point. You gotta make them earn it, and

595
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Hoyer is our guy and will wait the week or

596
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: two for Hoyer to blow it, kind of like, for instance,

597
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: blame Gabbert had to wait a couple of weeks, didn't

598
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: he He waited two weeks before he ended up. That

599
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: sounds realistic in May. And then when you get these

600
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: guys on the field for a preseason game and the

601
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: fan base sees Johnny Football running around making exciting plays,

602
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: and then the clamor just starts in Cleveland. We gotta

603
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: get the just bet your softball pans clamber starts now.

604
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: May two thousand fourteen, Chris Westling has put his softball

605
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: pans and I I'm not afraid to say it. I

606
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: think it was done. It was an impulse decision here,

607
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: but it's also a well reasoned and I feel like Wes,

608
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: the chances are probably maybe even more in West's favorite

609
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: a little bit um than it was with the Oakland

610
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Raiders winning six games. But at the same time, this

611
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: is shocking, stunted right now. It has to be something

612
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: where I'm so so fed up with some storyline. There's

613
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: no people have no idea who Brian Hoyer is as

614
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I mean, people have lost their mind over

615
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: this time. I went and watched his games recently for

616
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: some reason. From last year. He played pretty well. If

617
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: in a good in the best case scenario, he could

618
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: be like a Matt Hasselback type Charlie Batch in his

619
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: prime type, which isn't that exciting. But it's a guy

620
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: that could start for a seven and nine team. That's

621
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: up Brian Hoyer with two healthy knees. More like who is?

622
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: I think one thing is that you're looking out there

623
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: and expecting everyone saying that Brian Hoyer is a great starter.

624
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone say that. I think, if any

625
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: there are Browns fans who believed that Johnny Football should

626
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: not even start as a rookie because they have Brian Hoyer.

627
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Did you shouldn't start the whole year, shouldn't start a

628
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: single game because they have Brian Hoyer? And if you

629
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: have a good quarterback like Brian Hoyer, you gotta use him.

630
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: Did you know you were gonna do the softball pants thing?

631
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Coming into so emotion gripped you? This whole Brian Hoyer

632
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: thing has me just miffed. All right, let's move on

633
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: the list. And that's a big moment the show just now,

634
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: and that will be teased throughout this summer. So get

635
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: excited over We'll always remember where we were. Another another

636
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Speaker 1: Week one starter. Uh not my favorite man right now,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. According to Chris Westling, this is a job

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Speaker 1: that he will win over Matt Castle, and he will

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Speaker 1: start Week one as well. Open competition. I gave you

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Speaker 1: the line on Matt Castle earlier about black beauty and

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Speaker 1: white mice. This is not one of the best thirty

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Speaker 1: two quarterbacks in the NFL. In my opinion, I think

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Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater wins in an open competition. If there was

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Speaker 1: a Sandwich proposition up for this one, I would I

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Speaker 1: would take you on. Well, let's do it, all right,

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Speaker 1: it's a long, it's a long. I would definitely am

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Speaker 1: not on Manzel Hoyer because I think the odds are

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Speaker 1: in your favor there. Although I think compared to the

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Speaker 1: Raiders one from a year ago, you have a much

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Speaker 1: much better chance of in your softball pants this time around.

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Speaker 1: This Bridgewater Castle thing, I think Castle is the favorite.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't disagree more. I think think they went out

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Speaker 1: and they guess they got Teddy Bridgewater and there's nothing

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Speaker 1: about If you say this about Hoyer, I say about Castle.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing special about putting Castle out their week one

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Speaker 1: for a fan base that hasn't seen good quarterback play

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Speaker 1: since Brett Farve, and it's like, get get Castle is

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Speaker 1: just in the way. A Bridge quarterback. I call him

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Speaker 1: a door. But they're not starting Castle. Get you nothing.

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Speaker 1: I I agree with all that. Toyer started three has

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Speaker 1: started three games in his career. Castle has started four

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Speaker 1: or five seasons. He's made a Pro Bowl. He's led

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Speaker 1: to when he I'm not saying he's a great quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but he's a guy that you can convince yourself, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll start him for a little while ahead of a

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Speaker 1: guy who a lot of people thought is gonna need

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Speaker 1: a year in the NFL to get ready. One last

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Speaker 1: thing on Bridgewater. He'd have to be a guy that

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Speaker 1: doesn't pick up the offense. He's a smart quarterback. They

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Speaker 1: called him one of the smartest prospects. One last point.

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Speaker 1: Zimmer was in Cincinnati when Andy Dalton was there as

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Speaker 1: a rookie and took them to the playoffs as a

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Speaker 1: rookie starter. I think that's in Bridgewater's favorite one day.

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Speaker 1: That jumps out to me. West looking through the rest

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Speaker 1: of this list. Tom Savage, who, as Mark you remarked

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Speaker 1: during the draft, may or may not exist. We still

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Speaker 1: don't have definitive proof. Not only does it does he exist?

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling believes that Tom Savage was starting the season

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Speaker 1: finale for the Texans in two thousand and fourteen. It's

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Speaker 1: just a prediction. It's it doesn't I wouldn't put much

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Speaker 1: stock in that. Um, they have no starter in Houston.

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Speaker 1: They they're gonna break the record, especially if they trade

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Speaker 1: for Ryan Mallett. Five number two quarterbacks on the roster.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they Why wouldn't they give for the fan

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Speaker 1: base a bone in the season finale when they're out

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Speaker 1: of the playoff hunt and give him a look towards

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Speaker 1: next year's quarterback? Makes sense. You had the same logic,

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Speaker 1: was that Zach Mettenberger, only because I figured Locker will

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Speaker 1: be hurt at that point, right, and they might even

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Speaker 1: have Charlie white Hurst start if if Locker got hurt

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Speaker 1: early in the year. I don't know if they're gonna

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Speaker 1: throw out Mettenburger. The most surprising thing I saw here

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Speaker 1: is that Blake Bortles doesn't start until Thanksgiving. He's barely

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Speaker 1: ahead of David Fails on this list. That's the number

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Speaker 1: three pick in the entire draft, and a huge between

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Speaker 1: four and five. I think I think car starts ahead

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Speaker 1: of Bortles. We don't have to believe what the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: tell us in May that that they want Chad Henny

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Speaker 1: to start for the entire season. But when Bordles comes

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Speaker 1: out and says, you know what, I don't have any

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Speaker 1: problem with that. I have a lot of stuff to

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Speaker 1: work on. I have no problem with sitting behind Chad Henny.

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Speaker 1: That would bother me a little bit as a Jacks fan.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you Johnny Football wouldn't say I have no

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Speaker 1: problem sitting behind Brian Hoyer. I like TODJH Boyd, by

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Speaker 1: the way, making the list, just like Peyton Hills made

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Speaker 1: the bottom end of of Greg's list. Hodge boy New

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Speaker 1: York Jets. I believe never you know, he's buried on

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the sixth round pick. How many six

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Speaker 1: round picks ever start a game for their Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: Mark Boulder, Matt Hasselback the three and since then nobody

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Speaker 1: I like that he's he's ranked below a guy Logan Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who you say won't even be a quarterback. Wow, And

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Speaker 1: you also Dodge Voyd might disappear to Casey Cayson's Indian

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Speaker 1: reservation if he reads this. You also doubts a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the A. J. McCarron love in Cincinnati. Already,

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Speaker 1: I can smell the Bengals fans attaching themselves to having

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Speaker 1: hope for McCarron as an option. You say he won't

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Speaker 1: start until two thousand and fifteen at the earliest. I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't agree with you more on that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't see why they would bench Andy Dalton. Yeah, Andy Dalton,

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Speaker 1: for as much as we malign him fairly, your unfairly

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Speaker 1: is a pretty good NFL quarterback benching for McCarron. Who

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Speaker 1: what about McCarron. Suddenly is some massive upside on Andy?

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Speaker 1: That Andy Dalton a J. McCarry mccaren pairing is grim

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Speaker 1: uh So one point on Derek Carr. Over the last

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Speaker 1: two years, all six quarterbacks drafted in the first or

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Speaker 1: early second round have gone on to start their season

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Speaker 1: their team season open. Well, doesn't that prove my boarders

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Speaker 1: point that he's not gonna be sitting around there until Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: He's a number three pick. Hey, look, I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that the Jaguars have come out as strongly as any

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Speaker 1: team I can remember saying that he will start, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't prove your Matt Castle love over Teddy Bridgewater. Alright, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's put a pin in it for now.

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Speaker 1: We you know, we do a lot of podcasts. We

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Speaker 1: got another one coming up on Thursday. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: more football. It's gonna be great. We got the College

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Speaker 1: Football twenty four podcasts, which you should listen to it

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Speaker 1: and download and support. They are coming into the studio

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Speaker 1: right now, so they're gonna do some business. So we

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Speaker 1: got to clear out. It's over for the A t

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Speaker 1: L podcast, So you just gotta deal with the curtains.

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Speaker 1: For us, we'll have to discuss the real ego potential

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Speaker 1: teams of the Around the League podcast. Yeah, we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that because we need some time to talk about

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Speaker 1: the team of A t L. I have I have

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Speaker 1: some thoughts on that I want to run by you. Um,

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Speaker 1: So let's get We'll get to the on our next

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Speaker 1: show Thursday. But until then, this is Dan Hansons signing

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Speaker 1: off for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss and the

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Speaker 1: great gold standard behind the gloss until Thursday. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: this national hard type of thing where you can walk